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Speaker 5: All Right, we got a lot to talk about.

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Speaker 3: We've got Adam Friedland versus Richie Torres, the matchup everyone

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Speaker 3: has been waiting for. We've got an interview with Gaza doctor,

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Speaker 3: doctor Mohammad Khalil. We've got a taylor of the Wren's article,

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Speaker 3: and much much more. But why don't we get right

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Speaker 3: into it here? Uh the Adam Friedland Show. He is

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Speaker 3: a podcast comedian and he recently had Congressman Richie Torres

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Speaker 3: on to discuss many topics, including Israel, Gaza.

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Speaker 5: Let's take a listen, the.

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Speaker 7: Understanding in our communities that we have to defend Israel.

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Speaker 8: But I lived there, and I went to a settlement

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Speaker 8: at the end of my year there, and I looked

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Speaker 7: A Palestinian village, and I saw how they lived. And

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Speaker 7: I turned back and I looked at the settlement and

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Speaker 7: saw how they live.

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Speaker 8: And people live in in a world where they're demean

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Speaker 8: to dehumanized and surveilled constantly by people in this isn't

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Speaker 8: a gaza, by people in SWAT team outfits with semi

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Speaker 7: And that's what the world is seeing. And you keep

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Speaker 7: telling me that the problem is someone's getting yelled at

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Speaker 7: a restaurant. I'm sorry, please just please.

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Speaker 6: Me.

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Speaker 8: Saying this to you right now will hurt people in

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Speaker 8: my own family, Okay, because because this is a very

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Speaker 8: important thing to us, and the fact that I still

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Speaker 8: fucking care about being Jewish is embarrassing.

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Speaker 7: I should just be a guy. But but it, but

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Speaker 7: this is feels like a stain on our history, and

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Speaker 7: it feels like it's changed what being Jewish is. Because

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Speaker 7: what being Jewish is is it Israel. Judas music existed

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Speaker 7: for four thousand years. This is a country for seventy

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Speaker 7: five years. I want to feel like I'm here to

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Speaker 7: be lectured. None, shut up, that's not nice. You can't

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Speaker 7: talk that way. Why are one set of Jews? But

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Speaker 7: more for than the other thing.

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Speaker 9: No one's saying any you're what.

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Speaker 7: Happened you had you went to the beach at at Israel?

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Speaker 7: What you looked at a rust rat or something? Yeah,

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Speaker 7: a nice restaurant, like, listen, this.

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Speaker 9: Has ever even been to the televis pripary.

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Speaker 7: So this is the year twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 8: The world is seeing something that looks terrible and it's

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Speaker 8: being done in my name, and I don't know what

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Speaker 10: But the war began on October seven, No it did it?

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Speaker 10: Yes, Rahmas systematically murdered.

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Speaker 3: And a right that was clip number one. Uh what

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Speaker 11: Well, the whole conversation is raw and I think just

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Speaker 9: And to me, that's.

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Speaker 11: To me, that's completely unfair criticism because on the one hand,

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Speaker 11: to separate themselves from net Yahoo's and Israel's genocide which

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Speaker 9: On behalf of the.

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Speaker 11: people who do not agree with that are silent, that

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Speaker 11: is affirming. That is used as affirmation that in fact

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Speaker 11: Israel government does indeed speak for them. So the criticism

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Speaker 11: up and now saying well, why are you centering Jewish feelings?

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Speaker 11: Like that to me is utterly inconsistent and unfair. Like

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Speaker 11: in fact, if a country is waging a genocide and

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Speaker 11: just appropriate for you to speak up about it, it's

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Speaker 11: if you don't, then it's a silent acknowledgement that that's true.

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Speaker 11: They are they are doing that. And meanwhile, like Richie

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Speaker 5: Yep, he was kind of New Yorkers too, gay Latino.

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Speaker 11: New Yorkers who are both Jewish. So the questions of

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Speaker 11: we can if you want to put up this this next,

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Speaker 11: this capo tweet, Like to some defenders of Israel, Richie

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Speaker 11: Torres really is the more Jewish, Like your your ideas

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Speaker 9: I just want to say, very I can't read you want.

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Speaker 6: To read that.

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Speaker 5: I just want to say, I'll go for it.

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Speaker 4: Well, I just won it very quickly.

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Speaker 12: That is the exact argument conservatives detest when it is

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Speaker 12: this idea that is you are not you know, people

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Speaker 12: will use the uncle Tom slur, but it's this idea

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Speaker 12: that your identity isn't true even though it's it's literally true. Uh,

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Speaker 12: it isn't true unless you have the ideology baked into it.

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Speaker 12: So anyway, that's what you're seeing in this this tweet

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Speaker 12: that Griffin just put up on the screen about.

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Speaker 9: It s from the Free Press.

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Speaker 6: Here.

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Speaker 3: The role Friedlin is playing is that of capo the Jew,

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Speaker 3: articulating and or acting out the wishes conscious or unconscious

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Speaker 5: This is literally the world's oldest or second oldest profession.

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Speaker 11: But okay, literally it is not like the I don't

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Speaker 11: And in the post right before that, he used a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because you know what what Adam says in that clip,

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Speaker 3: I guess is that he's like, oh, I shouldn't even

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Speaker 3: should just be a guy, not a Jewish person, and he,

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Speaker 3: I think is speaking to like that as a comedian.

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Speaker 3: Like identity, politics and all that stuff is typically something

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Speaker 3: construed as lame to like lead with your identity when

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Speaker 3: speaking on a subject. But when it comes to this

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Speaker 12: Name, and Adam kind of crashed out in the interview.

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Speaker 12: And I don't mean that in a bad way. It

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Speaker 12: was obviously like no, truly, That's where some people on

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Speaker 12: this and saying this was such a win for Richie Torres.

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Speaker 12: Richie Torres probably thinks it was a win for him too.

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Speaker 12: He looks like he was calmly sitting there while he

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Speaker 12: But if you follow Adam Friedland's work and you know

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Speaker 12: Richie Torres from other appearances, it was a really I

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Speaker 12: think it was a really important clash for someone who's

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Speaker 12: the conflict. I remember Ryan, when when the campus, when

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Speaker 12: Were there some anti Semitic hangers on, of course, but

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Speaker 12: And I'm saying that just in the context of we're

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Speaker 3: So in this next clip, you know, we also get

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Speaker 3: I think this is a clip where Adam kind of

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Speaker 13: What we're seeing right now is that members of the

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Speaker 13: our president, is talking about putting a fucking jet ski

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Speaker 13: museum there. And you're that's the reality the far right,

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Speaker 13: the far what the far right, I'm talking about the

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Speaker 13: government and the generals that are that are in charge

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Speaker 10: The Bengavirs, the Smoltz's of the world.

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Speaker 7: That they're the cabinet.

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Speaker 10: Yes, and I reject them.

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Speaker 7: That's what Hamas is saying they want to do to Israel.

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Speaker 7: I'm sorry, I mean murdered.

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Speaker 10: I mean Hamas murdered thousands of people.

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Speaker 6: So there's no.

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Speaker 7: So what does that mean that.

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Speaker 10: Hamas is a terrorist organization for murdering innocent children and civilians.

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Speaker 7: How many civilians have been killed in this war?

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Speaker 9: The war is a tragedy, But it have been.

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Speaker 8: They've killed journalists, They've killed journalists.

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Speaker 10: People, people have been killed on a war. It's been attraged,

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Speaker 10: killed people waiting for a But you're suggesting that it

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Speaker 10: is the policy of the Israeli government to murder civilians,

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Speaker 10: and that's that is a notion that I rejected.

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Speaker 7: You got it like this is mad. You got to

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Speaker 10: People who are dying in the war, which to me

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Speaker 8: You feel in your heart that this is what you're doing,

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Speaker 3: Taylor Lorenz came out with an article in Wired. You know,

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Speaker 5: Here and Wired.

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Speaker 3: A dark money group is secretly funding high profile democratic influencers,

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Speaker 3: an initiative aimed at boosting democrats online offers influencers up

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Speaker 3: And that mean like like, oh, here's how to make

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Speaker 9: The people that are doing the funding.

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Speaker 12: It's gonna so I'll get to the right later. But

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Speaker 15: It's for years I've been saying the left needs to

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Speaker 5: They're killing us.

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Speaker 15: We've been so behind, and this kind of support for

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Speaker 9: They would hire other creators. They hire other content creators.

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Speaker 12: Donnie if you know you're on the streaming equipment that

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Speaker 12: you bought with part of your eight thousand dollars a month,

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Speaker 12: or you're using your stream yard subscription that you bought

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Speaker 12: with part of your eight thousand dollars a month. Because

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Speaker 12: even though everybody's talking about Zara Mamdanni, you could run

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Speaker 12: a foul of that. And Wired has a pretty hefty

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Speaker 12: update correction on the article as his customer point Ryan

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Speaker 12: was making.

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Speaker 4: But that is not among them that there's no.

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Speaker 12: Nothing has been corrected to that point yet, and so

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Speaker 12: I think that's a sort of crucial bit of information.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, Like if they're not teaching you how to

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Speaker 3: make YouTube thumbnails, that's my whole point.

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Speaker 5: They're teaching they are.

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Speaker 3: I mean, okay, maybe, but like how much of that

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Speaker 3: I don't know it seems like a they probably don't

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Speaker 3: know how to do most of that. I work in

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Speaker 3: a lot of media companies where corporations want to start

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Speaker 3: a successful YouTube channel, they have no idea the space

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Speaker 3: or the platform or the mechanics in the way that

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Speaker 3: someone who's just grinding on their own doing it every

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Speaker 3: day analyzing the space. Same with TikTok as well. So, yeah,

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Speaker 3: it leads me to believe that the majority of this

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Speaker 3: is closer to what Emily just described.

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Speaker 11: But the way that corruption generally works is it's much

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Speaker 11: more subtle than that. Yeah, that that point is key,

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Speaker 11: Like Okay, like they're making it very clear, like if

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Speaker 11: it wasn't clear already, we are the Democratic Party. You're

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Speaker 11: gonna you're gonna get money from us, and you're gonna

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Speaker 11: do things that make the Democratic Party happy. Now, there's

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Speaker 11: a couple creators in this list that they pointed to

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Speaker 11: since who have been critical of Gaza, But that just

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Speaker 11: means that they accept some people that go to the

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Speaker 11: training and then continue to be critical of the Democratic

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Speaker 11: Parties platform towards KAZA. Corruption doesn't mean that it influences

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Speaker 11: every single person. Some people take a pac money and

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Speaker 11: vote against a pack like it happens, but that but

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Speaker 11: the the idea is that you tilt the scales enough

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Speaker 11: that some, you know, some are going to get away.

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Speaker 11: But so and it's not just the eight thousand a month,

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Speaker 11: and it's not just the amount that you spend and

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Speaker 11: what you can spend making videos.

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Speaker 6: It's future.

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Speaker 11: So much of corruption in America is about the promise

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Speaker 11: of future wealth too, where they where they string you along,

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Speaker 11: and like that's how members of Congress are are thoroughly

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Speaker 11: corrupted that they know that if they do the right

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Speaker 11: thing while they're in office, once they leave office, they're

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Speaker 11: going to be very, very rich people.

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Speaker 12: There's a great documentary on HBO called The Swamp that

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Speaker 12: it's actually like AOC's in it at the time. The

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Speaker 12: woman from California, Oh I forget her name is Katie Hill,

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Speaker 12: Katie Hill yep, Matt Gates and Thomas Massey and Thomas

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Speaker 12: Massey at one point walks out of the RNC, stands

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Speaker 12: in the middle of First Street and he's he's literally

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Speaker 12: straddling Capitol Hill Club and RNC and RCC and he's like,

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Speaker 12: this is how this is the actual architecture, the physical

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Speaker 12: construction of Washington that when you walk out of the

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Speaker 12: party headquarters, you are walking right past the fundraising bar essentially,

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Speaker 12: and that is I feel like the proximity is so powerful.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean my last thought is when I see a

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Speaker 3: lot of the creators on this list, I've always thought, Man,

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Speaker 3: I hope they're getting paid for this.

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Speaker 4: It's so pathetic.

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Speaker 3: It's like it's like you're doing the stanky leg at

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Speaker 3: the d NC. You're I hope you're getting paid for that.

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Speaker 3: Like do you think Horace is telling Brian Tyler Cohen

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Speaker 3: to unbutton his shirt more and more?

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Speaker 11: Brian like he you know, he helped create Chorus, Like

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Speaker 11: that's the weird part about this. Uh. He is a

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Speaker 11: hardcore partisan Democrat, right Like. Nobody needs to tell him

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Speaker 11: to be a hardcore partisan demograt.

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Speaker 9: That is what he is.

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Speaker 11: He tried and so he's trying to build a network

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Speaker 11: of hardcore partis and Democrats and get Democrats to fund it,

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Speaker 11: right like. And it's happening out mostly in the open.

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Speaker 11: It's cool that she got some of these contracts and stuff.

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Speaker 11: But I just kind of he calls it the left,

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Speaker 11: which is he calls it left and independent, and in

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Speaker 11: his mind, I think he believes that, but it's to us,

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Speaker 11: we're like, I'm sorry, what.

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Speaker 3: Media I want to specific because he mentions like how

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Speaker 3: the right succeeded so well, and and I think there

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Speaker 3: is like you know, we've like seen Tim Poole or

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Speaker 3: other people have gotten like you know, those big fundings and.

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Speaker 9: Stuff Daily Wire like it was enormous funding.

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Speaker 5: Daily Wire for sure.

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Speaker 3: But like my senses of like the whole podcast thing

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Speaker 3: with Trump was like, you know, a lot of this

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Speaker 3: was like people who like made a platform on their

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Speaker 3: own and were kind of culturally right, like like Rogan

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Speaker 3: Theovon Andrew Schultz, Like they weren't like bred in like

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Speaker 3: a right wing chorus like Think Tank to get to

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Speaker 3: their size.

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Speaker 15: Right.

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Speaker 12: Yes, So I think this is this does drive me

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Speaker 12: a little bit insane because of course, there are situations

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Speaker 12: like the Tenant media scandal. I think that was like

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Speaker 12: five high profile creators like Tim Poole, Benny Johnson, lorn

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Speaker 12: Chen something like that, and they were just over the

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Speaker 12: last couple of years after they were already big, cashing

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Speaker 12: out for just dumb sums of money that they didn't

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Speaker 12: need to be famous.

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Speaker 4: They it was just like patting their bottom line.

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Speaker 12: It was like ridiculous, but they were already prominent and famous,

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Speaker 12: and the reason that the right has a podcast ecosystem

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Speaker 12: that's booming. If you look at the podcast charts, this

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Speaker 12: gets misunderstood a lot. You have the Daily, NPR Atlantic,

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Speaker 12: All of those guys are up there, right alongside Megan Kelly,

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Speaker 12: Ben Shapiro, Michael Knowles, whomever.

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Speaker 4: Ols.

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Speaker 12: It's because the right was forced the right during the

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Speaker 12: like wave of cancel culture was forced out of those

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Speaker 12: outlets and so was forced to create independent outlets.

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Speaker 4: And sometimes those quote independent outlets.

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Speaker 12: Are made by money from like rich Republicans. Of course,

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Speaker 12: in the same way that George Soros at one point

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Speaker 12: didn't he have like a controlling stake in the New

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Speaker 12: York Times company?

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Speaker 4: Ryan like it was.

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Speaker 12: It's it's not an insane comparison, even though it's on

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Speaker 12: a much smaller scale. But yeah, partisan Republicans support you know,

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Speaker 12: like a Paul Singer funds the Washington Free Break, Washington

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Speaker 12: Free Beacon, and partisans I'm trying to think of it

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Speaker 12: a daily.

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Speaker 9: Wirefunder Brian Tyler Cohen number ten. Yeah.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, but if you go to like yeah news podcasta

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Speaker 12: mm hmmm, yeah, look at that, so I just think

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Speaker 12: that's This is a classic example of partisan centrist Democrats

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Speaker 12: missing like, look at I've Had It, that's an example

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Speaker 12: of what they should be doing, not or that's.

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Speaker 4: An example of yeah, there we are. That's an example.

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Speaker 9: I'll take that.

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Speaker 3: Travis kelcey, Oh, does that mean our marriage News did

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Speaker 3: better than his?

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Speaker 6: Wow?

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Speaker 12: But like Timpoole and I've Had It, those are examples

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Speaker 12: of podcasts that actually are going to be more powerful.

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Speaker 12: I'm not saying that it's strategically dumb for Dems to

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Speaker 12: fund this, this vast network, but what they actually are

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Speaker 12: looking for is people like Kyle for example, he's very successful.

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Speaker 12: They just don't consider Kyle a W for Democrats, and

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Speaker 12: they shouldn't in the same way that they don't necessarily

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Speaker 12: consider I've Had It a W for Democrats and The Right.

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Speaker 3: Is all they which is hilarious because both those podcasts,

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Speaker 3: like all all their advice is how the Democrats can win,

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Speaker 3: how they can like get back up on their feet.

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Speaker 12: I just is this and like Republicans just seepool and

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Speaker 12: Benny as are or as as ours, yes, as ours,

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Speaker 12: but also as w's because they understand they're moving the needle.

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Speaker 12: But these were people who were forced out of the

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Speaker 12: quote mainstream for various reasons, some good, some bad, and

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Speaker 12: that's what happened. It wasn't this like puppet master. There

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Speaker 12: are puppet masters, but that wasn't the the fuel for

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Speaker 12: what happened on the right, gotcha?

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Speaker 6: Okay?

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Speaker 5: Interesting?

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Speaker 3: Well, uh, you know this. We always loved to Taylor

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Speaker 3: lorenz and and willing to poke the beehives. I saw

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Speaker 3: her TikTok alive yesterday where she was getting swarm by

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Speaker 3: the haters. Sou you know. Always got to tip my

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Speaker 3: hat to that. All right, Well, up next I should bounce. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Ryan's gonna bounce. We have an interview we just did

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Speaker 3: with doctor Mohammad Khalil, who was a doctor who just

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Speaker 3: got back from his third trip in Gaza. So look

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Speaker 3: forward to that right now. All right, we are now

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Speaker 3: joined by doctor Mohammad Khalil. He's a spine surgeon from

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Speaker 3: Dallas and he has just gotten back from his correct

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Speaker 3: me if I'm wrong, third trip to Gaza. Welcome to

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Speaker 3: the show, doctor.

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Speaker 6: Thank you, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and so I guess you know you let you.

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Speaker 3: You said a list of things that we could ask

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Speaker 3: you about, but I guess we just first wanted to

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Speaker 3: ask you, uh, what was it like getting in and

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Speaker 3: out of Gaza this most recent.

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Speaker 14: Times, it's actually become increasingly difficult. On the very first

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Speaker 14: trip that I went to to Gaza in April of

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Speaker 14: twenty four, we went through the rough up order, so

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Speaker 14: we were able to bring in a lot of equipment.

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Speaker 14: When I went back in November as well as this time,

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Speaker 14: you're pretty restricted on what you can bring in. The

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Speaker 14: instructions are to just bring one suit case, one carry

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Speaker 14: on and it's limited to personal supplies. Logistically, it can

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Speaker 14: be quite a challenge getting there, just because you can

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Speaker 14: get a seed from the WHO as far as getting

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Speaker 14: on the UN convoy, but you don't know until the

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Speaker 14: night before if you're cleared by CogAT, which is the

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Speaker 14: arm of Yezuela military that controls movement within Gaza, and

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Speaker 14: so that clearance doesn't come in until about ten or

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Speaker 14: eleven pm the night before. You're supposed to move at

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Speaker 14: six in the morning. So we all go to am

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Speaker 14: On and we find out that night if we're getting in.

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Speaker 14: Last time I went in November, one of my buddies

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Speaker 14: was supposed to go with me and he got turned

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Speaker 14: around and had to come back to Dallas.

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Speaker 11: When you when you first got there, you sent me

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Speaker 11: a text that has kind of sat with me since then.

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Speaker 9: Tell tell tell people what the doctor told you.

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Speaker 11: See if you remember this what the doctor who us house,

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Speaker 11: the Palcitian doctor told you about whether or not you're

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Speaker 11: going to have an eventful shift or not. Like, how

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Speaker 11: how did doctors know whether or not their shift is

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Speaker 11: going to be?

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Speaker 6: Oh, yeah, it's this time around.

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Speaker 14: It's almost a direct correlation with the ghf A distribution

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Speaker 14: as well as when a truck would come through this

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Speaker 14: key border. So they would say, I mean, his his words,

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Speaker 14: where if you're lucky, there will be no a distribution tonight.

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Speaker 14: If you're unlucky, the yar is going to overflow. And

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Speaker 14: I mean he was one hundred percent right. I mean,

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Speaker 14: I think you know when I had gone before in November,

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Speaker 14: we were at the same hospital at Ali up North,

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Speaker 14: and it was mostly blast injuries from drone strikes and airstrikes.

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Speaker 14: This time it was a good mix of blast injuries

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Speaker 14: as well as these gunshot wounds from these eight distribution sites.

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Speaker 6: I think everyone knows that.

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Speaker 14: I mean, they describe him as death traps and they

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Speaker 14: tell people not to go, but there's such a dire

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Speaker 14: need with the malnutrition and starvation that people are just

664
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Speaker 14: they're just taking their chances and going and seeing that

665
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Speaker 14: they can retrieve something.

666
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Speaker 11: Yeah, so I just want to sit sort of for

667
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Speaker 11: one second. So like here here in the United States,

668
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Speaker 11: if it's Friday or Saturday or like New New Year's

669
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Speaker 11: Eve or something, you tell me like the e rs

670
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Speaker 11: know to brace themselves like there are going to be

671
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Speaker 11: more people in you or maybe it's like New Orleans

672
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Speaker 11: for the Super Bowl or something like we're gonna.

673
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Speaker 9: Get, We're gonna have.

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Speaker 11: It's gonna be a it's probably going to be a

675
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Speaker 11: busier night than than a typical night in Gozen. Nowt

676
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Speaker 11: if there is an AID distribution site open for a

677
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Speaker 11: few hours, the e rs brace themselves.

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Speaker 9: Rele time and did that bear out?

679
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Speaker 11: Like in your in your case, if the AID dislution

680
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Speaker 11: site was open, was his forecast correct?

681
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Speaker 9: Like did you did? You then get a oh, overwhelmed.

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Speaker 6: Exactly that that happened every time.

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Speaker 14: And the thing is that they're already overwhelmed, uh because

684
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Speaker 14: you know one example is Shifa Hospital that was destroyed

685
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Speaker 14: when I was there on the prior visit in November,

686
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Speaker 14: and since then they've been able to get the er

687
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Speaker 14: back up and running to some degree. And they have

688
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Speaker 14: you know, two hundred semi functioning beds. And when I

689
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Speaker 14: say beds, I mean these are stretchers with no mat

690
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Speaker 14: on them, like we actually, after operating on a patient

691
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 14: would put them back on a hard you know, plastic

692
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Speaker 14: or metal stretcher with no mattress. And I mean but

693
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 14: in those beds they had over six hundred patients, so

694
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Speaker 14: they're running at two hundred and fifty three hundred percent capacity.

695
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Speaker 14: So when these rs would fill up, I mean these

696
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Speaker 14: are patients laid on the floor getting chest tuubs put in,

697
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Speaker 14: getting procedures done. And so I mean every time there

698
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Speaker 14: was an eight distribution, you'd have just so many patients

699
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Speaker 14: on the floor. We would literally have to be walking

700
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Speaker 14: over patients walking through the er.

701
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Speaker 12: Emily, you're mute, having done multiple trips at this point,

702
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Speaker 12: what difference did you notice when it comes to famine

703
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Speaker 12: and hunger? Can you share your experience in treating patients

704
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Speaker 12: and whether or not you saw an increase in people

705
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Speaker 12: suffering from malnutrition and starvation?

706
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Speaker 14: Yeah, certainly, you know, it takes a lot of calories

707
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Speaker 14: to heal injuries and to heal wounds. And so this

708
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Speaker 14: time around, the amount of people that were just visibly malnourished,

709
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Speaker 14: with you know, very skinny arms and legs, like visible

710
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Speaker 14: ribs was very apparent, and you knew that a number

711
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Speaker 14: of these injuries were going to end up infected, and

712
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Speaker 14: they would end up infected very quickly. Like patients that

713
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Speaker 14: we operated on the beginning of the trip, we're coming

714
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Speaker 14: back for washouts within a week or so, and it's

715
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Speaker 14: just usually you don't see infections developed that quickly because

716
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Speaker 14: the body tries to fight off infection. So I mean

717
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Speaker 14: there's a remarkable level of malnutrition even among the people

718
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Speaker 14: that we're working with. I mean this time around, like

719
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Speaker 14: I met a lot of the same doctors and hospital

720
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Speaker 14: staff that I worked with before, and they've just lost

721
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Speaker 14: even more weight. So you know, when they come in

722
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Speaker 14: for a hug, can you can feel their their finest

723
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Speaker 14: processes at the back, you could feel their ribs, and

724
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Speaker 14: a lot of people will will, you know, show you

725
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Speaker 14: what they look like before.

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Speaker 6: They lost all the weight.

727
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Speaker 14: And I mean the weight loss is dramatic even among

728
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Speaker 14: the staff, you know, I mean, even like one of

729
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Speaker 14: the last cases that we actually did.

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Speaker 6: It's outside of orthopedics.

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Speaker 14: It was actually our anesthesia one of the anesthesia techts,

732
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Speaker 14: sweetest lady, always smiling. The day before we left Ali Hospital,

733
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Speaker 14: I went down to the OAR and she was very

734
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Speaker 14: somber and walked into the room and the neurosurgeon was

735
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Speaker 14: operating on her husband who had been shot at an

736
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Speaker 14: eight distribution site. Like her husband was also an anesthesia

737
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Speaker 14: tech at Kamala Dwan Hospital did not leave when a

738
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Speaker 14: patient was in the OAR. Was kidnapped for seven months

739
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Speaker 14: in Israeli prison. She didn't know where he was and

740
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Speaker 14: and then he showed up one day, so she was

741
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Speaker 14: happy to have him back. But then he went to

742
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Speaker 14: an AID distribution and got shot in the head. So

743
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Speaker 14: I mean even the staff that were working with their

744
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Speaker 14: suffering the same starvation that people are.

745
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Speaker 9: How and did he die?

746
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Speaker 6: How?

747
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Speaker 9: How did he survive the gunshot?

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Speaker 14: Miraculously he survived, Like we were getting updates from uh

749
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Speaker 14: now Like so the neurosurgeon at one of our ORSPETA

750
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Speaker 14: surgeons scrubbed into the case as well and they picked

751
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Speaker 14: out trapannel and uh, you know, he had exposed brain matters,

752
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Speaker 14: so they were taking out pieces of the skull from

753
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Speaker 14: from the brain and he ended up in you know,

754
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Speaker 14: in the I c U. When we checked on him

755
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Speaker 14: right before we left, he was still non responsive, but

756
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Speaker 14: now he is responsive, still not communicative, but able to

757
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Speaker 14: follow commands.

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Speaker 3: What about your own safety, you know, I mean, we've

759
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Speaker 3: been covering a lot this week, the double tap strike

760
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Speaker 3: at the Alnasre hospital that took out you know, medics

761
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Speaker 3: and journalists. Some reports are now saying it may have

762
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Speaker 3: been a triple or even quadruple tap BBC.

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Speaker 11: BBC found of quadruple two tanks. It keeps, it just

764
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Speaker 11: keeps going up. So how did you feel about your

765
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Speaker 11: own safety? And I guess sort of a part two

766
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Speaker 11: of this.

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Speaker 3: Question is, you know you come on shows like ours

768
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Speaker 3: after these experiences to share them. Do you feel like

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Speaker 3: the Israeli government is starting to become aware of that?

770
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Speaker 3: Are you worried that they may not let you back

771
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Speaker 3: in another time?

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Speaker 14: I think the first question, yeah, there were definitely this

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Speaker 14: time around.

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Speaker 6: We had more.

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Speaker 14: Close calls than on prior trips. You know, when you

776
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Speaker 14: go up north, you have to go between hospitals to

777
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Speaker 14: get cases done, So like I did a few spine cases,

778
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Speaker 14: I would have to go to another hospital called Sajava,

779
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Speaker 14: so they you know, load you up into an ambulance

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Speaker 14: and drive you over to do the cases. And so

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Speaker 14: the last trip I was a little bit more liberal

782
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Speaker 14: and going around town and you know, there were a

783
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Speaker 14: couple of close calls just do that. But this time,

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Speaker 14: you know, there were various We're in a privileged position

785
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Speaker 14: being American and European teams. They take our safety as

786
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Speaker 14: a high priority, both on the UN side as well

787
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Speaker 14: as on the side of the other Palestinian teams, and

788
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Speaker 14: probably from the Israelis as well because their drones overhead,

789
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Speaker 14: not like continuously, they always know, I think, where we

790
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Speaker 14: are and so but there were a few times where

791
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Speaker 14: there were strikes very close to us because we were

792
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Speaker 14: in Gaza City. I think there was that the push

793
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Speaker 14: to invade the city. So there were a couple of

794
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Speaker 14: air strikes in the building adjacent to us. I saw,

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Speaker 14: you know, a drone strike happen in an apartment that

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Speaker 14: was that was in the building adjacent to our dormitory.

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Speaker 14: We did, you know, the day that we were leaving,

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Speaker 14: our UN convoy was delayed. You know, you have to

799
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Speaker 14: wait for a green light to move, so we got

800
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Speaker 14: loaded up into the cars and then somebody came by inside.

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Speaker 6: It's gonna be in another thirty forty minutes.

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Speaker 14: I want to wait outside for me and one of

803
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Speaker 14: my one of my colleagues that that came with us,

804
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Speaker 14: walked around to the back of the convoy just to talk.

805
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Speaker 14: And one of our teammates was in stayed in the

806
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Speaker 14: car because he was taking a nap, and there was

807
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Speaker 14: a drone strike just a few hundred meters away that

808
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Speaker 14: like rocked the cars, and somebody from the OCHA Center

809
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Speaker 14: out and said that the convoy got hit.

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Speaker 6: So we freaked out.

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Speaker 14: And we were because we knew we knew he stayed

812
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Speaker 14: in the car, but luckily it was it was a

813
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Speaker 14: little bit away, but there were definitely some some close

814
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 14: calls this time. I think, you know, we again we

815
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Speaker 14: have this this sense of security that because we're American

816
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Speaker 14: and European, and I think for the hospitals, they also

817
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Speaker 14: see it as some sense of security that when you know,

818
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Speaker 14: when we leave as as a team, they're more nervous

819
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Speaker 14: about being invaded. So whenever there was a strike, I

820
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Speaker 14: think Al Jazeera reported on one of the Sundays that

821
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Speaker 14: there was a strike in front of the hospital. There

822
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Speaker 14: was some talk of having us move back down south,

823
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Speaker 14: but that's what we were saying, like, you know, if

824
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Speaker 14: we can serve some protective uh purpose, then it's it's

825
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Speaker 14: good for us to just finish out the mission and

826
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Speaker 14: stay where stay put where we were.

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Speaker 6: I think speaking up is an interesting question.

828
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Speaker 14: Like, you know, when you arrive, you get a debris

829
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Speaker 14: a brief from the from the you know, the teams

830
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Speaker 14: that have that are coordinating your travel, uh from the

831
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Speaker 14: un w h O, and they say specifically not to

832
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Speaker 14: use certain buzzwords and not to assign blamed to anything.

833
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Speaker 14: But then when you do these these interviews, people will

834
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Speaker 14: last pretty directly, and then you're kind of stuck in

835
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Speaker 14: a hard position where you're like you're you're the reporter. Yeah,

836
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Speaker 14: I mean, you know, you know who's doing the shooting

837
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Speaker 14: and stuff. But it's, uh, it's kind of a unique

838
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Speaker 14: uh situation to be in. But I think at this stage,

839
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Speaker 14: you know, it's anybody who's following the conflict. I don't

840
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Speaker 14: think there's too many questions as to the responsible parties.

841
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Speaker 14: And when we are there, you know, they a lot

842
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Speaker 14: of the doctors they're there and and staff that we

843
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Speaker 14: work with they're like, you know, one of the biggest

844
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Speaker 14: purposes that you serve is going back out to the

845
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Speaker 14: world and explaining what's going on here, because it's not

846
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Speaker 14: it's not right for anybody to live under these conditions.

847
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Speaker 14: And they're they're very cognizant of what's going on around

848
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Speaker 14: the world, like and so we feel compelled to to

849
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Speaker 14: speak up and at least report what we saw, Like

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Speaker 14: i mean, one of one of the girls, for example,

851
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Speaker 14: like it's it's actually pretty hopeful, like she she's a

852
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Speaker 14: general surgeon, you know, great surgeon, like very calm, collected, cool.

853
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Speaker 14: We were she wants to be a plastic surgeon. We

854
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 14: were like, oh you get that, definitely do it, like

855
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 14: you know down the road, like take your USM A

856
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 14: league and even get it. You might be able to

857
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Speaker 14: come out to America re training. And she's like, yeah,

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Speaker 14: I know, my brother lives in California. Like the these

859
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Speaker 14: are normal people that are not like, you know, cut

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Speaker 14: off from the rest of the world.

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Speaker 6: They know what's going on.

862
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Speaker 11: And speaking of bringing back some of the disturbing stories,

863
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Speaker 11: one of the things you shared with us, I wanted

864
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Speaker 11: to get your get you to elaborate on for us.

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Speaker 11: Let me see if I can share this and if not,

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Speaker 11: we could have some.

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Speaker 5: Kind of in post ran But yeah, actually is this working.

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Speaker 9: You guys can see this right?

869
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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, So this is I would call these photos disturbing,

871
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Speaker 11: but not overly graphic. This is a This is an

872
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Speaker 11: X ray of a sixteen year old girl wounds from

873
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Speaker 11: what you said was a shooting at a GHF site,

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Speaker 11: Kazi Humanitarian Foundation site. You told us that you observed

875
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Speaker 11: a pattern of victims coming in who were shot in

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Speaker 11: the genitals, suggestive of some type of depraved target practice.

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Speaker 11: So this is one we can talk about this in

878
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Speaker 11: a moment. This is a twelve year old boy who

879
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Speaker 11: is being operated on. You talk a little bit about

880
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Speaker 11: what kind of injuries you were seeing this time from

881
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Speaker 11: the GHF site.

882
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Speaker 14: Yeah, so, I mean a lot of the you know,

883
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 14: it's a mix of blast injuries and gunshot wounds, and

884
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 14: I think for the gunshot wounds in particular, that's there

885
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 14: is this feeling that there there's a target practice being done,

886
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 14: because there will be they'll come in waves. So in

887
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 14: the course of two days, we had three patients with

888
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 14: gunshot wounds to the scrotum that had to have an

889
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 14: orchaectomy or a testicle rooved. And so we were talking

890
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 14: to the urologists and he was like, it just happens

891
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 14: periodically where you'll get a wave of these shots right

892
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 14: to the testicle, There'll be waves of shots right to

893
00:46:59,040 --> 00:46:59,399
Speaker 14: the head.

894
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 5: Uh.

895
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 6: And you know, I think there is.

896
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Speaker 14: The suggestion is is that these kids are being used

897
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 14: for target practice. I think there's uh, you know, there

898
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,399
Speaker 14: is some concept of just spraying into the crowd with

899
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Speaker 14: with gunshots, and so that can be a little bit random.

900
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 14: But when it comes in waves like that, the physicians

901
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 14: there are they suspect that this is this is targeted

902
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 14: because these are snper what I just showed there, right, yeah, exactly,

903
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 14: and these bullets are large caliber bullets and so I

904
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 14: mean it's you know, coming from a sniper rifle like

905
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 14: it does quite a bit of damage. One of the

906
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 14: spines that I operated on was like a sniper shot

907
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 14: that I mean, the bullet is huge and it just

908
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 14: does an immense amount of damage.

909
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 13: Uh.

910
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 14: So that this was an unstable spine where the poster

911
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 14: elements were just completely blasted from a from a gunshot

912
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 14: wound and you just have to kind of span it

913
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 14: with screws and rods, but it's uh, the nature of

914
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 14: the injuries from these high powered rifles is pretty remarkable.

915
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 4: And so it looked like sniper fire.

916
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 14: Yeah yeah, I mean, I think with the large caliber bullet,

917
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Speaker 14: that's the suspicions that is coming from a sniper rifle.

918
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Speaker 11: And you also showed us this miraculous one here. I'll

919
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 11: put up where you said this was shrapnel that came

920
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Speaker 11: This was a spine surgeon before you did this, when

921
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 11: you said you described this one here exactly.

922
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Speaker 6: So one of the neurosurgeons at.

923
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Speaker 14: The hospital, like he had done this case a few

924
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 14: weeks prior actually, and this was a piece of shrapnel

925
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 14: that had entered the skull and traveled through the frame

926
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 14: and magnum and lodged itself in the cervical spine. So

927
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 14: he first operated on the patient for a head bleat

928
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 14: and then came back a couple of days later and

929
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 14: retrieved this piece of shrapnel from the cervical spine, and remarkably,

930
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 14: the patient regained function. So he was able to kind

931
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 14: of move with four out of five strength in his

932
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 14: lower extremities in one arm and the other arm remained paralyzed.

933
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 6: But you know, he was in a.

934
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Speaker 14: It's actually a really kind of a sweet story, like he, uh,

935
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 14: you know, when we got done with cases, he went

936
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 14: to he said, we had to go, I got to

937
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 14: go do something. So him and the word the attending usurgeon,

938
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 14: the attending orth thepeed surgeon actually went, you know, left

939
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 14: us and then we saw him in the hospital courtyard.

940
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 14: Because they had physically gone to take this patient out

941
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 14: of his bed and put him in a wheelchair so

942
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,280
Speaker 14: his family could wheel him around. We were like, nowhere

943
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 14: else in the world would see the attending surgeons like

944
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 14: go physically mobilize a patient. That's what they were saying,

945
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 14: like these are these are our kids. You know, we

946
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,399
Speaker 14: have to look beyond just a physical injury. And any

947
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 14: sixteen year old just laying in bed shouldn't be Uh,

948
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 14: it's not good for his mental health. So they forced

949
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 14: the family to kind of get him out and pull

950
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 14: him around in a wheelchair. But it's really a miraculous case,

951
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 14: like you wouldn't expect anyone to survive that type of

952
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 14: an injury.

953
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,919
Speaker 11: You also sent this one what what's the uh.

954
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 6: That's the same piece of shrapnel the travel through the head.

955
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 14: You can see the track that it took it went

956
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 14: into the frame and Magnum dirrectly got it.

957
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 3: Doctor, Like, you know, if I got shot with a

958
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,439
Speaker 3: sniper bullet, I'm sure it would be a very long

959
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 3: recovery post the operation. You know, with a lot of

960
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 3: these people you're operating on, they're getting sent once they're

961
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 3: done operated on, even if it's successful, they're being thrust

962
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 3: back out into a war zone with little food or water.

963
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:23,320
Speaker 3: What's your sense of people's ability to survive after these wounds,

964
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 3: even if you do patch them up.

965
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 14: So, yeah, that's the thing is, like, it's it's a

966
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 14: long drawn out recovery for a lot of these things,

967
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 14: and unfortunately they're going back into a situation where they're

968
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 14: living in a tent without food. There are extended hospital

969
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 14: stays for some patients who just really need it, and

970
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 14: they're trying right now in the healthcare system to develop

971
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 14: a you know, this WUFFA hospital as a rehab hospital

972
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 14: that they're trying to convert into more of a longer

973
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 14: term stay for people to recover.

974
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:54,959
Speaker 6: But it's not online yet.

975
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 14: It was actually damaged in a strike before, and so

976
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 14: they're trying to get it back online and to be

977
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:01,919
Speaker 14: able to provide some long term care.

978
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:03,800
Speaker 6: But a lot of these patients.

979
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 14: They just go back out and they have to you know,

980
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 14: figure it out on their own. I mean, even some

981
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,320
Speaker 14: of the fractures that come in, like as fresh fractures,

982
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 14: Normally they would get admitted here in the in the

983
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 14: US or in the West, they're just getting a splint

984
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:20,399
Speaker 14: put on and being sent back home to follow up

985
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 14: again when we can fit them on the R schedule.

986
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 14: But the inflow of traumatic injuries just makes it to

987
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 14: where some of these patients are waiting for months with

988
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 14: an injury that never gets treated.

989
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 11: Well, doctor Khalil, we really appreciate you know, the work

990
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 11: you're doing, and also appreciate you, you know, filling us

991
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 11: in here. I hope you're re entry is as smooth

992
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 11: as possible. Have you heard anything from your colleagues that

993
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 11: are still there that they want to share as a

994
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:53,320
Speaker 11: like a final word.

995
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean I think, like you know that's there.

996
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 14: There's been a number of doctors that have been denied.

997
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 14: I think their denial rate is getting up to fifty

998
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 14: sixty percent likely, and so you know, I think like

999
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:06,760
Speaker 14: going going in, like is going in.

1000
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 3: And what are they getting denied for? Like are they

1001
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 3: bringing band aids or what are they getting denied for.

1002
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 14: There's no explanation. So a lot of times, like you

1003
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 14: get denied before you even get to the border. If

1004
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 14: you get denied at the border, it's because of you know,

1005
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 14: bringing in something or they say like you have, you know,

1006
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 14: something that might be dual used, like an ultrasound to

1007
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 14: do fast exams in the er, or to check for

1008
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 14: bleeds in the er. Most of the time the denialt

1009
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 14: before you get to the border, before you even get

1010
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,399
Speaker 14: on the UN convoy, and there's no explanation, So there

1011
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,879
Speaker 14: is some suspicion that some of it may be doing

1012
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 14: interviews and reporting on what was seen. I wish, you know,

1013
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 14: journalists like yourselves could enter Gaza, Like I think once

1014
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 14: you go there, like it's hard to describe in words

1015
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 14: the camaraderie that you get from the people that are

1016
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 14: working on the ground there these other healthcare professionals, but

1017
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 14: it's uh, you know, I think at this point everyone

1018
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 14: is pretty committed to speaking up because a lot of

1019
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:01,800
Speaker 14: the doctors there kind of see it. Physicians, hospital staff

1020
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 14: talking to them. They almost see it as an endgame

1021
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 14: at this point, like they're like, you know, when we

1022
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 14: talked about gods the city being invaded directly ask some

1023
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 14: people like do you think it's going to get invaded?

1024
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 14: And one of the one of the guys was like,

1025
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 14: it's it's unlikely because why would Israel accept more personnel

1026
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:21,399
Speaker 14: losses to take over something that's already this destroyed. But yeah,

1027
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 14: into doing it anyway, exactly, exactly, And for a lot

1028
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 14: of those docs that's the there there. We always ask

1029
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 14: like what can we do when we go back, and

1030
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 14: it's always the same answer, like just don't forget us

1031
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 14: and tell the world what's happening here.

1032
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, thank you very much doctor for your time

1033
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 3: here today, your time in the past telling our audience

1034
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:43,720
Speaker 3: about this and uh we wish you in the medical

1035
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 3: community lack as they try to do what they can

1036
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 3: out there.

1037
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:46,879
Speaker 6: Thank you so much.

1038
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:49,840
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