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Speaker 1: At noon today, more than forty of the nation's top

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Speaker 1: constitutional law scholars released an open letter to present elect

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. It outlines seven areas where Trump's statements and

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Speaker 1: actions have caused them great concerned about his commitment to

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Speaker 1: our constitutional system, from the First Amendment to the rights

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Speaker 1: of religious minorities. The letter also calls on Trump to

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Speaker 1: withdraw the nominations of Senator Jeff Sessions as U s

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Speaker 1: Attorney General and Michael Flynn as National Security Advisor joining

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Speaker 1: us as. Neil Siegal, Professor of Law and political Science

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Speaker 1: at Duke Law School, one of the writers of this letter, Neil,

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Speaker 1: Trump does not seem to be taking advice, and you

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Speaker 1: express doubt in the last paragraph of your letter that

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Speaker 1: he will take his constitutional oath seriously. So what do

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Speaker 1: you hope to accomplish with this letter? Well, me, the

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Speaker 1: first hope, which you've already spoken to, is that the

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Speaker 1: President elector those around him as close as advisors, will

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Speaker 1: take a close look at the letter and seriously and

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Speaker 1: soberly consider it. Um. But I think that's not the

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Speaker 1: only reason to have done it, and a more UH

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Speaker 1: think another important reason and a more likely consequence, is

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Speaker 1: to um model uh An important form of resistance. I

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Speaker 1: think a lot of people are struggling with how to

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Speaker 1: respond to truly extraordinary and disturbing conduct by the president elect.

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Speaker 1: Should one, UM, see what happens and hope for the

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Speaker 1: best and extend an olive branch. Should one resist more formally?

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Speaker 1: And I think this more fortunately, I think this is

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Speaker 1: modeling a very strong form of resistance, that that we

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Speaker 1: hope various institutions in society that have developed slowly over

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Speaker 1: time to push back against power when it's being exercised

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Speaker 1: unlawfully or or profoundly unwisely. I'm talking about the media,

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Speaker 1: for example. It's going to be important for the media

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Speaker 1: not to the normalize or legitimate attacks on the constitutional system.

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Speaker 1: To understand the difference between neutrality and objectivity. I'm talking

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Speaker 1: about educational institutions, religious institutions. Legal institutions are courts UH,

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Speaker 1: which UH makes make good on our nation's commitment to

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Speaker 1: the rule of law and which requires judicial independence. UM.

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Speaker 1: And so I think that go ahead, Well, have you

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Speaker 1: what if you've seen anything since Donald Trump has been

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Speaker 1: elected that gives you hope about how he might treat

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Speaker 1: the constitution or the rule of law. UM, At least

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Speaker 1: some parts of your letter, including you mentioned Jeff Sessions

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Speaker 1: his choice for attorney in general, uh, sort of suggests

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Speaker 1: that you see him as doubling down on the types

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Speaker 1: of the kind of conduct that you're worried about. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I hope is not the kind I mean. I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: say I see conduct that gives me hope, given um

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Speaker 1: when he's talked, when when he's still I think, undermining

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Speaker 1: a free a free press, and um sending tweets talking

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Speaker 1: about stripping people of citizenship or putting them in jail

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Speaker 1: for burning the American flag. UM. So I'm not really

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Speaker 1: seeing much in the way of hope. I think he

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Speaker 1: disturbing statements or what appeared to be promises during the campaign,

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Speaker 1: like putting his political opponent in jail if he was elected.

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Speaker 1: He had really robustly embraced torture, which raises both constitutional

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Speaker 1: problems and problems under international law. And then he had

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Speaker 1: what appears to be a single conversation with General Maddis

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Speaker 1: and he said, maybe maybe it's not as effective or

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Speaker 1: as wise as I had thought. So I I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: call it hopeful. I did see a few ways in

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Speaker 1: which he's backed off some of his most uh or

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Speaker 1: more extreme statements. But then you know, we see a disinterest.

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Speaker 1: There are there. The letter illustrates concerns but doesn't exhaust right,

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Speaker 1: So there's disinterested intelligence briefings and what he may do

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Speaker 1: in the name of national security raises concerns. The multitude

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Speaker 1: of financial conflicts of interest, which some of which raise

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Speaker 1: whether he's going to be able to uh simply do

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Speaker 1: to best for his business deal. Let's talk about one

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Speaker 1: of the concerns you raise, and he ran on overturning

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Speaker 1: Row v. Wade and his list of Supreme Court nominees

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Speaker 1: reflects that you asked him to reconsider that in light

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Speaker 1: of the likelihood that he will not reconsider that, Is

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Speaker 1: there anything that anyone can do about that? Well? I

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Speaker 1: think it's uh. I think what what those who uh,

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Speaker 1: insensitivity to the reality that for many women in our country,

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Speaker 1: that's simply not possible. It's not possible economically in terms

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Speaker 1: level to roll back protections of women's reproductive rights. And

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Speaker 1: unless he means to be suggesting that he's going to

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Speaker 1: veto any federal law that would restrict divorce, and it's

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Speaker 1: it's not just insensitive, it's also um disingenuous to say

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Speaker 1: So I don't think it's simply about will your nominees

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Speaker 1: vote to overull row? It's are you going to be

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Speaker 1: tempting women's right. You know, I look at your list

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Speaker 1: of signatories to this letter, and I don't don't know

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Speaker 1: tend to think of as being relatively liberal. Was there

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Speaker 1: certainly would would very much appreciate the support of legal conservatives.

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Speaker 1: There were a group of legal conservatives, originalists who are

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Speaker 1: a letter with some similar themes, although not all the same,

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Speaker 1: opposing Trump during the election because they saw him as

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Speaker 1: a threat to the constitutional system. And the letter does

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Speaker 1: call upon legal conservatives who are committed to basic constitutional

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Speaker 1: the instinct of the group was to say something for ourselves,

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Speaker 1: which is not going to be the last we have

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Speaker 1: to say about it, at least as an initial matter.

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Speaker 1: Before we think about working with others of more diverse

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Speaker 1: some A is not all of our concerns, Neil, about

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Speaker 1: a minute left here, So you have seven different areas.

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Speaker 1: Is there one that is of particular concern? Well, there

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Speaker 1: or analysis. Um So again, I think these examples in

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Speaker 1: think we we listed free speech and a free press

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Speaker 1: that that this our next president UM, like his predecessors

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Speaker 1: in both political parties, UM ensure that the press is

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Speaker 1: candidly on his activities without fear of reprisals. We will

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Speaker 1: read the full letter, you can go to the American

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Speaker 1: Constitutional Society website. Thank you Neil Single, professor of law

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Speaker 1: and political science at Duke Law School, for joining us

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