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Speaker 1: celebrating all the moments of support that make the big

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Speaker 1: goals possible, because every goal starts with an assist. In

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Speaker 1: the history of the United States men's national team. The

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Speaker 1: man you're looking at has the most goals and most

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Speaker 1: assists in the history of our country. And we have

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Speaker 1: ourselves a World Cup on American, Canadian and Mexico's soil.

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Speaker 1: It will shatter every record from television revenue to television

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Speaker 1: ratings ever Landon. You and I've talked multiple times before,

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Speaker 1: but I think the thing that's exciting to me is

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Speaker 1: you were one of the rare Americans that could go

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Speaker 1: group of players and they've grown up in a different reality. Right,

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Speaker 1: We've got multiple players playing overseas. It's the most intense soccer.

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Speaker 1: Most of the best basketball is in the States, most

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Speaker 1: of the great soccer is in let's say Europe. Does

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Speaker 1: I believe you're just more battle tested? I feel like

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Speaker 1: this group of players has faced greater competition. It's almost

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Speaker 1: like they're more mature kids than you had the opportunity,

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Speaker 1: Clint Dempsey or Alexi. Our soccer has grown. It does

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Speaker 1: feel like a little bit more European. Take me to

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Speaker 1: your history that how you changed as a player the

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Speaker 1: more you faced international players. Because I feel this group

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Speaker 1: they have an advantage over your era is that they've

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Speaker 2: So theoretically for sure, and they've they've played, they've played

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Speaker 2: The challenges Colin, And you know this generationally that when

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Speaker 2: you grow up with million dollar contracts when you're eighteen, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: soccer on TV. Everybody knows your name, you're famous, you're popular, whatever,

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Speaker 2: you lose a little bit of the grid that the

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Speaker 2: previous generations had. And I'm sure this happened in all

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Speaker 2: sports over time. The NFL in the seventies and eighties,

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Speaker 3: Or so, you saw a bunch of them.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if entitled is the right word, but

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Speaker 2: expectant that they were going to be part of this

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Speaker 2: And it's over the last few weeks, few months it's

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Speaker 2: embarrassed during a World Cup on home soil. But if

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Speaker 2: all of it comes together, yes, what you've said is

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Speaker 3: They are more battle tested in all the ways. Well.

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Speaker 1: Maurizio Pocutino is demanding and so he walks into this

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Speaker 1: And part of the culture is I want to see

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Speaker 1: Should he have not expected? Sort of a dude, we

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Speaker 1: So I think it's a very I think it's a

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Speaker 2: So from Christian's standpoint, he has done a ton already

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Speaker 2: And unfortunately not so much with Christian, but a lot

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Speaker 2: what he's had to do is say, listen, guys, where

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Speaker 2: well I'm a little tired, I don't want to go

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Speaker 2: And so what he's done over time, very successfully is

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and and I think big pictured is good. But

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Speaker 1: So I do think our athletes it's I mean, you

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Speaker 1: The sense is it's a great draw. Australia always a

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Speaker 1: I'd love to play at home, but shit, I've got

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Speaker 3: Very foreign.

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Speaker 2: So the interesting thing is there are three countries who

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Speaker 2: will be rabid, intense, amazing support no matter what happens.

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Speaker 3: And it's based on expectations, right. Sports are all about expectations.

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Speaker 3: There would be some like, some.

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Speaker 2: Thoughts of maybe booing, some hesitation about cheering. They go

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Speaker 2: that to your point, it's a great point we have

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Speaker 2: talking to Tim Howard this morning. We've never gone into

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Speaker 3: And not even close.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's right, and it's a very different dynamic

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Speaker 1: What's reasonably appropriate success? Let's to you, what does.

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Speaker 3: It look like?

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Speaker 2: Okay, So the analogy I was thinking about Colin is

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Speaker 2: in college basketball, if next year the NCAA went from

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Speaker 2: your expectations of what successes would change. If you are

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Speaker 2: in the past, maybe and I'm just making this up.

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Speaker 2: You know better than I do. Making an Elite eight

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Speaker 2: So my point in all that is, in the past,

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Speaker 2: to be interesting how teams deem success. And this is

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Speaker 2: US Soccer, if we make it out of the group

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Speaker 3: This is maybe the most successful.

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Speaker 2: Ever, even though our team in two thousand and two

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Speaker 2: that's going to play out, but my opinion is winning

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Speaker 2: because if you win the group, we would play a

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Speaker 2: think should be an expectation, and then from there a

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Speaker 2: lot of it's based on who you play and the

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Speaker 2: way it's set up now is likely that team would

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Speaker 2: be Belgium, and that's a team that on paper is

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Speaker 2: probably a little better, but absolutely a game we could win.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I kind of feel like I've said this.

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Speaker 1: In professional American football, most Super Bowl champs have seven

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Speaker 1: Now we're still on the young side. We were the

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Speaker 1: I don't expect us to go toe to toe with Argentina,

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Speaker 1: less attacking, more defensive. I don't see it this way.

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Speaker 1: I think there's maybe three to four teams that we

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Speaker 3: We can be aggressive. I mean you know this.

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Speaker 1: There were times you play Brazil, you don't go in attacking.

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Speaker 1: tie it. That's how we played forever. I don't feel

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Speaker 1: is that a very myopic American view?

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Speaker 3: Well, it is a myopic American view. That's what we

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Speaker 2: And but what more importantly is this team is set

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Speaker 2: is they are young, athletic, yes, physically durable, and in

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Speaker 2: the previous regime under Berholter, at times it was a

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Speaker 3: Are like, they're like lions ready to get out of

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Speaker 2: Yes, in world soccer now it's become way way way.

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Speaker 3: More tactical and cage and all these things.

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Speaker 2: And so now if you're a team that really goes

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Speaker 2: I couldn't believe how unprepared Uruguay was for a team

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Speaker 2: And So if you can play that way, with the momentum,

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Speaker 2: of Americans, it doesn't really matter how far you go.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's what fans most.

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Speaker 2: Were on it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So when you talk about the way soccer has changed,

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Speaker 1: what you're basically saying is the analytic part. Just like

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Speaker 1: baseball in basketball, You're saying soccer has gotten a little

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Speaker 1: bit more analytical and action. Okay, so this is this

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Speaker 1: is a global reality of all the sports. And I

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Speaker 1: I always say I like analytics. Analytics plus let athletes

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Speaker 1: be athletes. Like sometimes landing the clock says eight minutes,

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Speaker 1: do your thing, let's get out of the end. I

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Speaker 1: think analytics has an absolute role, especially in volume sports

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Speaker 1: and regular seasons. So I imagine you, like the Americans

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Speaker 1: to get out of Group D fair yes D Yeah

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Speaker 1: Big Thanks to Haleio and for the assist, reminding us

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Speaker 1: that no one scores alone. To learn more of is

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Speaker 1: it Halian assist dot com and follow at for the assist.

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Speaker 1: Every goal starts with an assist.

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Speaker 3: The volume