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Speaker 1: The Season with Peter Schrager is a production of the

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Speaker 1: NFL in partnership with iHeartRadio. What's up, everybody, Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the season. I'm Peter Schrager. I'm joined by my friend

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Speaker 1: and producer Slash Wingman on this thing, mister Aaron wang Kaufman,

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Speaker 1: who seems to have a pep in his step right

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Speaker 1: now because Aaron's team, the Bills, went from being the

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Speaker 1: eleven seed a few months ago to now sitting pretty

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Speaker 1: in the two spot of the AFC playoffs, getting a TJ.

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Speaker 1: Wattless Steelers coming in having a home game the following

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Speaker 1: week if they win that one. Aaron, if I told

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Speaker 1: you before the season started and all the drama and

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Speaker 1: everything that you'd be the two seed in the AFC,

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Speaker 1: would you sign? Oh?

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean I would happily accept that. There

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Speaker 2: was a time, I'm sure like on this show, you know,

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Speaker 2: that I was down trodden and was like, we're not

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Speaker 2: over here and here we are.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like we could go through the files

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Speaker 1: and I was actually really bullish after a loss when

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Speaker 1: they lost it at Eagles. I came on here and

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Speaker 1: I was like, there's actually a path if they get

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Speaker 1: their crap together during the bye week that they can

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Speaker 1: do this. They haven't lost since. It hasn't been pretty.

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Speaker 1: I mean again, I told you last week like this

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Speaker 1: not been pretty. They threw two red zone turnovers. They

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Speaker 1: here we are the two seed bills and then whether

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Speaker 1: for aesthetics. And they're where they are and they're likely

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Speaker 1: hosting Patrick Mahomes in the second round of the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: and that's something you would have signed up for before

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Speaker 1: this season. Let's move right along. The matchups are great,

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Speaker 1: but if you listen to this podcast, you're in the

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Speaker 1: coaching hiring and firing world. So much going on right now.

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Speaker 1: You can find the different lists of the different teams

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Speaker 1: and what's going on real quick. Hard wins the national

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Speaker 1: of these coaches due to the NFL's Rooney Rule and

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Speaker 1: the way things have been shaken out during the Competition Committee.

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Speaker 1: This past year, no coach currently with an NFL job,

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Speaker 1: whether it be head coach or a coordinator, can interview

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Speaker 1: for any other jobs until January twenty first, which is

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Speaker 1: after the divisional round of the playoffs. Harball, however, he's

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Speaker 1: Rooney rule. He can't just meet Harbaugh on higher him.

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Speaker 1: You have to meet at least you know fit those requirements,

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Speaker 1: meet minority candidates, meet people of color, and then you

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Speaker 1: can make your decision. But Harball, hypothetically speaking Aaron this week,

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Speaker 1: But I think Harbor is really interesting for the LA Chargers.

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Speaker 1: the University of San Diego, that is Stanford, that is

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Speaker 1: David Tepper fires him. Matt Nagy won it. Three years

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Speaker 1: him at the NFL honors those two years ago. Fired,

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Speaker 1: so the NFL Coach of the Year. I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: it's a cursed award or it's bad luck, but usually

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Speaker 1: matchups this weekend. We've got great ones. The schedule as

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Speaker 1: work for these guys. I've never worked for these guys,

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Speaker 1: but the game is exclusively on Peacock. Aaron, do you

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Speaker 2: I do only because what was it two to three

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Speaker 2: But there's this like Direct TV streaming debate or like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't stream Sunday night football unless it's on

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and not only forget, not have the service. And

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Speaker 1: this is the gamble that the NFL and NBC took.

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Speaker 1: this game Peacock? It is on Peacock, Help them sign

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Speaker 1: the wildcard game of the weekend, the one that I'm

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Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Rams. This is the president of the

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Speaker 1: How's that for an intro? Kevin Demoff, President of the Rams,

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Speaker 1: what's up, buddy?

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Speaker 3: And when the trade went down, you know, my two

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Speaker 1: I hear you, because you know, there's like this, like

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Speaker 1: I remember NFC Championship game in New Orleans, down thirteen

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Speaker 3: There's a picture right outside my office of him doing

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Speaker 3: I talked to him the day after the trade that night,

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Speaker 1: Go back to the drafting of golf, because I think

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Speaker 3: We just thought we might and so we went to

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Speaker 1: I think about golf and it's like, you know, we

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Speaker 1: Where were you for the Trade? I remember the stories

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Speaker 3: one points, which is unbelievable. We go in the next

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Speaker 3: week to green Bay, play well, but lose. They were

427
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Speaker 3: the number one seed that year.

428
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Speaker 4: So we fly home.

429
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Speaker 3: You kind of go through the end of the year stuff,

430
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Speaker 3: and you know, Sean goes to Cabo, runs into Matthew Stafford.

431
00:21:00,066 --> 00:21:01,386
Speaker 4: That story is kind of well known.

432
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Speaker 3: But it's really the first weekend we've had off since July,

433
00:21:04,186 --> 00:21:05,786
Speaker 3: and so you're trying to get a little bit as

434
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Speaker 3: far away from ball, and you still have the conference

435
00:21:08,306 --> 00:21:11,226
Speaker 3: championship games that that weekend, but you're trying to take

436
00:21:11,426 --> 00:21:14,026
Speaker 3: a break from football. Your family hasn't seen you, and

437
00:21:14,106 --> 00:21:17,226
Speaker 3: I really remember about eight a m. That morning, you know,

438
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Speaker 3: Less snead Our GM had talked to Brad Holmes and

439
00:21:19,906 --> 00:21:22,066
Speaker 3: he said this thing could go down today. So I

440
00:21:22,146 --> 00:21:25,066
Speaker 3: hunkered down to my home office, you know, all day

441
00:21:25,106 --> 00:21:27,266
Speaker 3: and you know, kind of just progressed throughout the day.

442
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Speaker 3: And you're like, I thought this would take two to

443
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Speaker 3: three weeks, you know, post super Bowl, you know, we're

444
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Speaker 3: you know, hey, you go to the Super Bowl this.

445
00:21:35,186 --> 00:21:35,706
Speaker 4: Date, you know.

446
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Speaker 3: And I think one of the things that happened is

447
00:21:37,626 --> 00:21:41,066
Speaker 3: there was a report Friday afternoon that we were interested

448
00:21:41,746 --> 00:21:43,466
Speaker 3: in Stafford because it had come out to the lines

449
00:21:43,506 --> 00:21:45,186
Speaker 3: that were giving them the permission to have a trade.

450
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Speaker 3: And at that time and still I think we worked

451
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Speaker 3: so quickly lest Sean our organization that all these teams

452
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Speaker 3: that were kind of sniffing around Stafford at the time, Washington, Carolina, Indianapolis,

453
00:21:57,866 --> 00:22:03,506
Speaker 3: UH got aggressive and that really drove the trade. And

454
00:22:03,946 --> 00:22:07,026
Speaker 3: you know, once that happened, and it was going to

455
00:22:07,066 --> 00:22:09,826
Speaker 3: be within twenty four hours, and so you know, Less

456
00:22:09,866 --> 00:22:11,506
Speaker 3: at eight am you go to sit in your home

457
00:22:11,546 --> 00:22:13,826
Speaker 3: office and I think the trade got done at six

458
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Speaker 3: forty five pm.

459
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Speaker 1: Yeah, done. And then Stafford comes along, and now what

460
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Speaker 1: does this mean you think for Matthew if you've spoken

461
00:22:20,986 --> 00:22:23,506
Speaker 1: to him this week, going back to Detroit where he

462
00:22:23,546 --> 00:22:25,986
Speaker 1: played for what is it thirteen seasons, he was a

463
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Speaker 1: Detroit Lion, and then he comes over to the LA Rams,

464
00:22:28,666 --> 00:22:31,146
Speaker 1: wins a super Bowl, and now he's going back there,

465
00:22:31,306 --> 00:22:34,026
Speaker 1: so hopefully for you guys spoil their first home game

466
00:22:34,026 --> 00:22:35,586
Speaker 1: in thirty years in the playoffs.

467
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I haven't asked for about it. I'm sure no

468
00:22:37,626 --> 00:22:39,306
Speaker 3: one will last Matthew at all this week.

469
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Speaker 1: It's not a topic, not a topic, you know, but.

470
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Speaker 3: I think it's probably different for him, right like you

471
00:22:44,986 --> 00:22:47,066
Speaker 3: get traded at Los Angeles, you win a Super Bowl

472
00:22:47,426 --> 00:22:50,186
Speaker 3: to playoff appearances in three years? He you know, you

473
00:22:50,226 --> 00:22:52,066
Speaker 3: go back to twenty twenty one, he had the monkey

474
00:22:52,106 --> 00:22:52,946
Speaker 3: on his back of.

475
00:22:53,186 --> 00:22:54,266
Speaker 1: Couldn't win a playoff game.

476
00:22:54,386 --> 00:22:56,106
Speaker 3: He hasn't won a playoff game. Then he wins four.

477
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Speaker 3: I think he's now the second leading quarterback behind like

478
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Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes in terms of playoff wins. Is that Joe

479
00:23:03,466 --> 00:23:05,746
Speaker 3: Flacco may now have him be right like I didn't.

480
00:23:06,026 --> 00:23:08,266
Speaker 3: That wasn't of my you know, bingo card a month ago.

481
00:23:08,386 --> 00:23:12,266
Speaker 3: But you know, I think for Matthew it's going to

482
00:23:12,306 --> 00:23:15,586
Speaker 3: be the you know, probably the weight of the expectations

483
00:23:15,586 --> 00:23:17,786
Speaker 3: from his time in Detroit and trying to go flip

484
00:23:17,826 --> 00:23:21,386
Speaker 3: that franchise. But I think probably from a Rams perspective,

485
00:23:21,466 --> 00:23:23,746
Speaker 3: I would imagine this is probably a little bit harder

486
00:23:24,426 --> 00:23:26,666
Speaker 3: for Jared than it is from Matthew, just from my

487
00:23:26,826 --> 00:23:29,586
Speaker 3: perspective of, Hey, you got to go win the playoff game,

488
00:23:29,626 --> 00:23:31,906
Speaker 3: you got to go advance in the playoffs, you know.

489
00:23:31,946 --> 00:23:34,186
Speaker 3: I mean, I think you know, there will be talk

490
00:23:34,266 --> 00:23:38,186
Speaker 3: this week who won the trade, and I think it's

491
00:23:38,226 --> 00:23:40,066
Speaker 3: the true I said, you know, it's a win win.

492
00:23:40,626 --> 00:23:42,546
Speaker 3: We won the Super Bowl. Matthew's done a great job

493
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Speaker 3: for us. We're thrilled to have him. I don't think

494
00:23:44,226 --> 00:23:45,466
Speaker 3: there's anybody else, you.

495
00:23:45,386 --> 00:23:46,026
Speaker 4: Know, we'd rather have.

496
00:23:46,106 --> 00:23:48,346
Speaker 3: Obviously, Jared and the Lions have had great success, not

497
00:23:48,426 --> 00:23:51,306
Speaker 3: only with Jared, with the picks they got. And I

498
00:23:51,306 --> 00:23:52,866
Speaker 3: think it's great for once to see a trade in

499
00:23:52,906 --> 00:23:54,986
Speaker 3: the NFL work out for both sides, right, you know,

500
00:23:55,066 --> 00:23:57,266
Speaker 3: and that people don't have to, you know, pick.

501
00:23:57,106 --> 00:23:57,946
Speaker 4: A winner or loser.

502
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Speaker 3: But I'm sure for Matthew it'll be meaningful. I think

503
00:24:00,746 --> 00:24:04,026
Speaker 3: he said, you know, the Hey, once it kicks off,

504
00:24:04,026 --> 00:24:07,026
Speaker 3: it's football, It'll be interesting. That building will be rocking.

505
00:24:07,066 --> 00:24:09,226
Speaker 3: You got to know, Oh my gosh, that place is

506
00:24:09,266 --> 00:24:13,306
Speaker 3: always rocking. And you know, so thirty years they've been

507
00:24:13,306 --> 00:24:14,866
Speaker 3: waiting for this moment in prime time.

508
00:24:15,386 --> 00:24:17,306
Speaker 4: I can't wait. It'll be an unbelievable atmosphere.

509
00:24:17,626 --> 00:24:20,146
Speaker 1: Yeah now, and we'll watch it in Tarico, who lives

510
00:24:20,146 --> 00:24:22,026
Speaker 1: in ann Arbor, Michigan, is going to be on the call.

511
00:24:22,066 --> 00:24:24,306
Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of cool symmetry here between the

512
00:24:24,346 --> 00:24:27,386
Speaker 1: two franchises on this podcast, as you know, we talked

513
00:24:27,386 --> 00:24:29,986
Speaker 1: to coaches, we talked to gms. There's also this other

514
00:24:29,986 --> 00:24:33,226
Speaker 1: wrinkle Brad Holmes, who's the general manager and the architect

515
00:24:33,266 --> 00:24:36,626
Speaker 1: of this amazing Lions roster. He comes from the Rams also,

516
00:24:36,826 --> 00:24:39,066
Speaker 1: and you guys helped nurture him and we had him

517
00:24:39,106 --> 00:24:41,906
Speaker 1: on the podcast and he has nothing but glowing stories

518
00:24:41,906 --> 00:24:44,546
Speaker 1: about his time working under Lesson in LA I mean,

519
00:24:44,626 --> 00:24:46,866
Speaker 1: how impressed are you with what Brad's done in Detroit?

520
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Speaker 4: So impressed?

521
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Speaker 3: And you know what I love about Brad is, you know,

522
00:24:51,146 --> 00:24:52,866
Speaker 3: and it's great for people to remember this time of

523
00:24:52,946 --> 00:24:56,106
Speaker 3: year and everybody's thrown around candidate names, nobody was talking

524
00:24:56,146 --> 00:24:59,746
Speaker 3: about Brad Holmes. You know, in twenty twenty one and really,

525
00:25:00,066 --> 00:25:02,346
Speaker 3: you know, I remember trying to sell him to the Lions,

526
00:25:02,426 --> 00:25:04,626
Speaker 3: less trying to sell him to the Lions. You know,

527
00:25:04,666 --> 00:25:06,186
Speaker 3: the Falcons had a little bit of interest in the

528
00:25:06,786 --> 00:25:09,626
Speaker 3: really did, and once they interviewed them, they were excited.

529
00:25:09,626 --> 00:25:10,306
Speaker 4: And what I love.

530
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Speaker 3: About the Lions is they've been built in a fearless manner, right,

531
00:25:14,386 --> 00:25:16,186
Speaker 3: you know, you go against the grain and you draft

532
00:25:16,226 --> 00:25:19,506
Speaker 3: Jamiir Gibbs, you draft you know, Jack Campbell. You know,

533
00:25:19,586 --> 00:25:22,386
Speaker 3: they have not just followed what I would call the

534
00:25:22,426 --> 00:25:25,226
Speaker 3: normal NFL script. And I think if there's some piece

535
00:25:25,266 --> 00:25:29,266
Speaker 3: of DNA Brad Holmes has from the Rams, it's be yourself,

536
00:25:29,386 --> 00:25:32,106
Speaker 3: be different. You know, you can't win in this league

537
00:25:32,466 --> 00:25:34,226
Speaker 3: following the same blueprint everybody else does.

538
00:25:34,306 --> 00:25:35,066
Speaker 4: It's impossible.

539
00:25:35,506 --> 00:25:38,426
Speaker 3: No organization, no team is good enough to do the

540
00:25:38,466 --> 00:25:40,466
Speaker 3: same things everybody else does and just be better at

541
00:25:40,506 --> 00:25:42,426
Speaker 3: all of them. You have to pick a lane to

542
00:25:42,466 --> 00:25:45,426
Speaker 3: go be different. And that's what I've loved about how

543
00:25:45,546 --> 00:25:48,266
Speaker 3: Brad you know, and Dan Campbell have built the Lions.

544
00:25:48,306 --> 00:25:50,986
Speaker 3: They've done it in a uniquely lined way, and that's

545
00:25:51,026 --> 00:25:53,626
Speaker 3: what makes it really hard to play them, to beat them,

546
00:25:53,666 --> 00:25:56,586
Speaker 3: to compete with them, because they're zigging when everybody else

547
00:25:56,666 --> 00:25:57,186
Speaker 3: is a zaga.

548
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think you know, if anything was the

549
00:26:00,106 --> 00:26:03,586
Speaker 1: foot the Rams was well, you know, these picks, and

550
00:26:03,586 --> 00:26:05,706
Speaker 1: it was like, let's go get these veterans for years

551
00:26:05,746 --> 00:26:07,786
Speaker 1: and then for Brad Holmes, to your point, drafting a

552
00:26:07,866 --> 00:26:10,146
Speaker 1: running back and an inside linebacker with two first round

553
00:26:10,146 --> 00:26:13,026
Speaker 1: picks was f your draft guide. And I love that

554
00:26:13,106 --> 00:26:15,226
Speaker 1: about them, and the fact that they hired Dan Campbell,

555
00:26:15,546 --> 00:26:18,106
Speaker 1: who was a tight ends coach and wasn't exactly the

556
00:26:18,146 --> 00:26:20,226
Speaker 1: first in line as the hot new coordinator, and he's

557
00:26:20,226 --> 00:26:23,386
Speaker 1: been perfect for them top to bottom. I know, you

558
00:26:23,426 --> 00:26:25,986
Speaker 1: respect a bunch of franchises. You have to. As the

559
00:26:26,066 --> 00:26:27,946
Speaker 1: Rams are looked at as one of the crown jewel

560
00:26:27,946 --> 00:26:29,826
Speaker 1: franchises in the NFL, and how they've been built and

561
00:26:29,866 --> 00:26:31,786
Speaker 1: how you guys have operated, You've got to look at

562
00:26:31,786 --> 00:26:33,106
Speaker 1: Detroit and say they're right there too.

563
00:26:33,426 --> 00:26:35,306
Speaker 3: When you look at what Detroit's done, and you know,

564
00:26:35,346 --> 00:26:38,786
Speaker 3: I think starts with Sheila and kind of trusting you know,

565
00:26:38,826 --> 00:26:41,506
Speaker 3: from Rod Wood, Mike Disner, who I think is one

566
00:26:41,546 --> 00:26:44,706
Speaker 3: of the smartest executives in the NFL. I love Brad,

567
00:26:44,986 --> 00:26:48,466
Speaker 3: you know, I probably like everybody else in the world.

568
00:26:48,466 --> 00:26:50,586
Speaker 3: He didn't know what to make of Dan Campbell at

569
00:26:50,586 --> 00:26:53,786
Speaker 3: the time he got hired. Yeah, but having done coaching searches,

570
00:26:53,826 --> 00:26:58,466
Speaker 3: people always spoke reverentially about Dan Campbell and you know

571
00:26:58,586 --> 00:27:01,466
Speaker 3: what they've built, what they've done obviously, Ben Jonson, I

572
00:27:01,466 --> 00:27:04,066
Speaker 3: really like Aaron Glenn, you know, always done a nice

573
00:27:04,146 --> 00:27:07,386
Speaker 3: up like they have a really good, solid franchise. And

574
00:27:07,426 --> 00:27:10,346
Speaker 3: I think when you you know what their success is

575
00:27:10,426 --> 00:27:13,186
Speaker 3: not just because they've had picks. It's because you know,

576
00:27:13,226 --> 00:27:15,266
Speaker 3: they had a plan, they went and executed it. And

577
00:27:15,266 --> 00:27:18,226
Speaker 3: that's what you love to see in the NFL is

578
00:27:18,266 --> 00:27:20,266
Speaker 3: when someone says, Okay, we've got a plan, We're going

579
00:27:20,346 --> 00:27:23,586
Speaker 3: to go build it, whether it's patient or not. And look,

580
00:27:23,586 --> 00:27:25,386
Speaker 3: I think you get back to where we started this show.

581
00:27:26,226 --> 00:27:27,986
Speaker 3: The great part about right now is there are fourteen

582
00:27:28,026 --> 00:27:30,546
Speaker 3: teams are in the playoffs with hope. They're also a

583
00:27:30,586 --> 00:27:33,626
Speaker 3: whole ten other franchises probably now that their fans have

584
00:27:33,706 --> 00:27:35,746
Speaker 3: hope for the first time in months. Hey we have

585
00:27:35,826 --> 00:27:37,386
Speaker 3: a high draft pick, we're getting a new coach.

586
00:27:37,226 --> 00:27:38,066
Speaker 4: We're getting new GM.

587
00:27:38,626 --> 00:27:40,386
Speaker 3: You most of the league right now is in the

588
00:27:40,426 --> 00:27:43,106
Speaker 3: hope phase, and that's the best phase of the NFL.

589
00:27:43,226 --> 00:27:45,546
Speaker 4: And you know, the Rams story.

590
00:27:45,786 --> 00:27:48,146
Speaker 3: You know from twenty sixteen on, you know, when we

591
00:27:48,146 --> 00:27:50,106
Speaker 3: were one of the worst franchises, you know on the

592
00:27:50,106 --> 00:27:53,026
Speaker 3: field in the NFL and the Lions. That's what makes

593
00:27:53,066 --> 00:27:55,986
Speaker 3: fans to make the NFL the best product. How quickly

594
00:27:56,066 --> 00:27:59,066
Speaker 3: you can turn it and become one of the special franchises,

595
00:27:59,186 --> 00:27:59,586
Speaker 3: the leader.

596
00:27:59,866 --> 00:28:03,426
Speaker 1: All right, let's go back to twenty sixteen. Fishers fired

597
00:28:03,426 --> 00:28:06,706
Speaker 1: midway through the season. Golf finishes it out. Who was

598
00:28:06,746 --> 00:28:10,666
Speaker 1: the interim coach? Bones? Bones stopped at John Fossil, Yeah,

599
00:28:11,266 --> 00:28:14,626
Speaker 1: John Fossil. And now you're starting from scratch. You're new

600
00:28:14,626 --> 00:28:17,306
Speaker 1: in LA and you've got to go on a coaching search.

601
00:28:17,506 --> 00:28:20,066
Speaker 1: And right now there are seven teams who are about

602
00:28:20,106 --> 00:28:23,306
Speaker 1: to start their coaching search. You guys looked at this

603
00:28:23,386 --> 00:28:26,026
Speaker 1: thing having done it already when you got Fisher a

604
00:28:26,066 --> 00:28:28,986
Speaker 1: couple of years back. Take us through the coaching search

605
00:28:29,026 --> 00:28:30,906
Speaker 1: and how you ended up with Sean mcday, a thirty

606
00:28:30,986 --> 00:28:33,066
Speaker 1: year old head coach coming to Los Angeles.

607
00:28:33,346 --> 00:28:35,106
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it really starts with you have to

608
00:28:35,146 --> 00:28:37,226
Speaker 3: go back to the coaching search. And you know in

609
00:28:37,266 --> 00:28:39,226
Speaker 3: twenty twelve, so I when I got to the Rams,

610
00:28:39,266 --> 00:28:40,666
Speaker 3: I was hired a couple of weeks after they'd hire

611
00:28:40,666 --> 00:28:43,626
Speaker 3: Steve Spagnolo, who I love, and you know I would

612
00:28:43,626 --> 00:28:46,226
Speaker 3: love to see get another head coaching opportunity. When we

613
00:28:46,266 --> 00:28:48,986
Speaker 3: made the change with Steve after three years, I remember

614
00:28:49,026 --> 00:28:52,466
Speaker 3: writing a note to myself, don't wait until you know

615
00:28:52,546 --> 00:28:53,226
Speaker 3: black Monday.

616
00:28:53,826 --> 00:28:54,386
Speaker 4: You know when you.

617
00:28:54,506 --> 00:28:57,426
Speaker 3: Because there's so much craziness that happens at the end

618
00:28:57,466 --> 00:29:01,026
Speaker 3: of the season. You find yourself behind in the coaching search,

619
00:29:01,066 --> 00:29:03,786
Speaker 3: and to be fair, you can't call, you can't really

620
00:29:03,826 --> 00:29:06,506
Speaker 3: do homework and other people you can't. You've got to

621
00:29:06,586 --> 00:29:09,426
Speaker 3: be all in for your current staff. And so I

622
00:29:09,466 --> 00:29:11,186
Speaker 3: remember that note. So as it got to the point,

623
00:29:11,386 --> 00:29:14,106
Speaker 3: you know, we had started three and one in twenty sixteen,

624
00:29:14,146 --> 00:29:15,986
Speaker 3: had a pretty good start, and then you know we

625
00:29:15,986 --> 00:29:18,466
Speaker 3: were four and ten, four and eleven, you know, we

626
00:29:18,546 --> 00:29:21,066
Speaker 3: decided to make the change. I remember with Jeff we

627
00:29:21,066 --> 00:29:23,066
Speaker 3: were going to go play the Seahawks on a Thursday

628
00:29:23,106 --> 00:29:25,546
Speaker 3: night football, and if he had lost that game, he

629
00:29:25,546 --> 00:29:28,826
Speaker 3: would have set the NFL record for losses, and you know,

630
00:29:28,866 --> 00:29:31,186
Speaker 3: we just kind of said, I don't think it's fair

631
00:29:31,186 --> 00:29:33,666
Speaker 3: to him to break the record for losses. And you

632
00:29:33,706 --> 00:29:35,386
Speaker 3: also don't want to go into a Thursday night where

633
00:29:35,426 --> 00:29:38,586
Speaker 3: the whole conversation is, you know, are they making a change,

634
00:29:38,586 --> 00:29:39,386
Speaker 3: what are they going to do?

635
00:29:39,426 --> 00:29:40,826
Speaker 4: How is this going to go? And so we made

636
00:29:40,826 --> 00:29:42,506
Speaker 4: the change on a short week.

637
00:29:42,546 --> 00:29:44,106
Speaker 3: But what that really did is that gave us a

638
00:29:44,146 --> 00:29:49,466
Speaker 3: month to really investigate our franchise. You know, when you

639
00:29:49,586 --> 00:29:51,466
Speaker 3: change a head coach, everybody just playing as a coach,

640
00:29:51,546 --> 00:29:55,306
Speaker 3: it is an organizational failure. Really go dig into your franchise.

641
00:29:55,346 --> 00:29:58,786
Speaker 3: What's working, what's not, what's on the coaches, what's on

642
00:29:59,306 --> 00:30:01,986
Speaker 3: the organization, what's on the personnel side, you know, what

643
00:30:01,986 --> 00:30:03,786
Speaker 3: do you need to fix to get ready? But also

644
00:30:03,826 --> 00:30:06,226
Speaker 3: to go to a deep dive on all of these

645
00:30:06,226 --> 00:30:08,706
Speaker 3: coach candidates because you may go in with a leader

646
00:30:10,146 --> 00:30:12,026
Speaker 3: you know at the time and what you want to do,

647
00:30:12,146 --> 00:30:13,986
Speaker 3: but you're going to go meet people, You're going to

648
00:30:13,986 --> 00:30:16,626
Speaker 3: go investigate people. And so we made calls. You know,

649
00:30:16,706 --> 00:30:18,786
Speaker 3: really for a month it was myself, let's need Tony

650
00:30:18,826 --> 00:30:21,066
Speaker 3: past Georgia works with us, just doing as much homework

651
00:30:21,106 --> 00:30:25,506
Speaker 3: as we can on candidates. And you know, I would say,

652
00:30:25,706 --> 00:30:27,386
Speaker 3: you know, we started with the list, it was forty

653
00:30:27,426 --> 00:30:31,866
Speaker 3: or fifty people just trying to get information and you know,

654
00:30:31,906 --> 00:30:33,386
Speaker 3: you try to whittle it down, whittle it down, so

655
00:30:33,426 --> 00:30:35,586
Speaker 3: that when you get to this phase, you know, the

656
00:30:35,626 --> 00:30:38,706
Speaker 3: post Black Monday, when you can start to do interviews

657
00:30:38,746 --> 00:30:41,146
Speaker 3: that you know, hey, these are the eight to ten

658
00:30:41,226 --> 00:30:43,746
Speaker 3: people we really want to talk to, we have the

659
00:30:43,786 --> 00:30:48,146
Speaker 3: most interest in. And it's not just guessing, because you know,

660
00:30:48,226 --> 00:30:50,986
Speaker 3: you get these calls out of the blue.

661
00:30:51,026 --> 00:30:54,346
Speaker 4: You make a change, and you would be amazed to calls, right, you.

662
00:30:54,306 --> 00:30:56,306
Speaker 1: Know, and you're talking like a random college coach that

663
00:30:56,346 --> 00:30:57,906
Speaker 1: you never thought would he gon to be available as

664
00:30:57,986 --> 00:30:59,026
Speaker 1: like hey I'm interested.

665
00:30:59,466 --> 00:31:02,786
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, like you know, Vince Lombardi's ghost and

666
00:31:03,066 --> 00:31:07,106
Speaker 3: most shem Beckler, you know, you know Arab partsy like hey,

667
00:31:07,106 --> 00:31:09,026
Speaker 3: you know, I haven't coached in twenty years, but you

668
00:31:09,066 --> 00:31:12,066
Speaker 3: know you're like LA and I think you have to

669
00:31:12,106 --> 00:31:14,346
Speaker 3: go back in time too. You know, we were new

670
00:31:14,346 --> 00:31:16,746
Speaker 3: in LA. We had all this fan fare and we

671
00:31:16,906 --> 00:31:19,266
Speaker 3: just stunk. I mean, we're the thirty second offense. We're

672
00:31:19,306 --> 00:31:22,786
Speaker 3: four and twelve, and you know, a fan base felt

673
00:31:22,786 --> 00:31:24,466
Speaker 3: like it was dwindling and people thought we needed to

674
00:31:24,546 --> 00:31:26,786
Speaker 3: make a big splash. And I think there was an

675
00:31:26,826 --> 00:31:29,186
Speaker 3: element of us that we definitely thought about that. But

676
00:31:29,266 --> 00:31:32,826
Speaker 3: it's like, Okay, go through and find the coach who

677
00:31:32,866 --> 00:31:35,066
Speaker 3: is the best fit for your organization at this time.

678
00:31:35,426 --> 00:31:37,586
Speaker 3: You know, winning the press conference is great, selling tickets

679
00:31:37,626 --> 00:31:39,826
Speaker 3: is great, but it doesn't work and you're back here.

680
00:31:39,746 --> 00:31:42,386
Speaker 4: In two three years. You've already screwed up.

681
00:31:42,906 --> 00:31:44,746
Speaker 3: And if you could find someone you could really grow

682
00:31:44,826 --> 00:31:47,426
Speaker 3: with and you know, who would be uniquely ours, you

683
00:31:47,426 --> 00:31:48,106
Speaker 3: would go through that.

684
00:31:48,186 --> 00:31:49,626
Speaker 4: And that was kind of the guiding principle.

685
00:31:49,626 --> 00:31:51,786
Speaker 3: And I give Stan Kronkey, our own er, a ton

686
00:31:51,826 --> 00:31:54,586
Speaker 3: of credit who understood the pressure, you know, about to

687
00:31:54,586 --> 00:31:57,506
Speaker 3: build a stadium. You've got to go sell seat licenses.

688
00:31:56,986 --> 00:31:57,426
Speaker 4: A suite.

689
00:31:58,466 --> 00:32:01,786
Speaker 3: But you know, he had always had this belief that hey,

690
00:32:01,866 --> 00:32:03,586
Speaker 3: let's go get the right coach for the l A

691
00:32:03,666 --> 00:32:05,946
Speaker 3: RAMS And you know, so we had that month to

692
00:32:05,946 --> 00:32:07,986
Speaker 3: do homework and you know, I'm not ashamed you and

693
00:32:07,986 --> 00:32:10,186
Speaker 3: I chatted during that month and it's like you're trying

694
00:32:10,226 --> 00:32:11,186
Speaker 3: to pick everybody's brain.

695
00:32:11,826 --> 00:32:13,666
Speaker 4: You know, what do you know about these candidates?

696
00:32:13,666 --> 00:32:15,186
Speaker 3: And one of the things we did, and one of

697
00:32:15,226 --> 00:32:16,986
Speaker 3: the reasons you and I would always talk is, you know,

698
00:32:17,146 --> 00:32:18,946
Speaker 3: media members who sit in production.

699
00:32:18,666 --> 00:32:21,026
Speaker 4: Meetings with coaches talk about it. It was one of

700
00:32:21,066 --> 00:32:21,826
Speaker 4: the way we call it.

701
00:32:21,866 --> 00:32:24,626
Speaker 3: Every you know, network person we knew tell us who

702
00:32:24,626 --> 00:32:26,546
Speaker 3: makes you sit up straighter in your chair, tell us

703
00:32:26,546 --> 00:32:29,466
Speaker 3: who grabs your attention because they talk to coordinators every week,

704
00:32:30,346 --> 00:32:32,666
Speaker 3: and they talked to Coat. That to me was a

705
00:32:32,666 --> 00:32:35,146
Speaker 3: way to find out a little bit more beyond, you know,

706
00:32:35,146 --> 00:32:37,546
Speaker 3: and everybody kind of said, you know, Sean McVay, Sean McVay,

707
00:32:37,546 --> 00:32:39,266
Speaker 3: And we would ask a question at the end of

708
00:32:39,306 --> 00:32:43,546
Speaker 3: every conversation, who's who's the coach? Nobody's talking about who's

709
00:32:43,586 --> 00:32:46,986
Speaker 3: going to be a superstar. And I would say, ninety

710
00:32:47,026 --> 00:32:49,146
Speaker 3: percent of the time the answer with Sean McVay, and who.

711
00:32:48,986 --> 00:32:50,226
Speaker 1: Are you talking when you gusked that, Like, I don't

712
00:32:50,226 --> 00:32:52,066
Speaker 1: think it's you talk to me about this. Probably I

713
00:32:52,106 --> 00:32:54,546
Speaker 1: would imagine other guys in the media, like Schefter probably

714
00:32:54,546 --> 00:32:56,506
Speaker 1: got asked, and all the all the guys who called

715
00:32:56,546 --> 00:32:57,546
Speaker 1: the games, probably Aikman.

716
00:32:58,386 --> 00:33:01,266
Speaker 3: I talked to Joe buck, Al Michaels, Mike Turico, you

717
00:33:01,306 --> 00:33:04,106
Speaker 3: know who the time was at ESPN, you know Bruden

718
00:33:04,146 --> 00:33:06,906
Speaker 3: at the time, collins Worth. We talked to all them,

719
00:33:07,146 --> 00:33:08,906
Speaker 3: you know, just to get get a sense, and then

720
00:33:08,906 --> 00:33:11,626
Speaker 3: you go through your normal channels. You know, we're fortunate

721
00:33:11,706 --> 00:33:14,786
Speaker 3: we picked the brains, you know, some of our legends,

722
00:33:14,866 --> 00:33:17,146
Speaker 3: you know as well you know, we made calls to

723
00:33:17,866 --> 00:33:20,666
Speaker 3: you know, successful Pea gms who had done the search

724
00:33:20,706 --> 00:33:22,866
Speaker 3: and kind of you know, the Tony Dungees of the world,

725
00:33:22,906 --> 00:33:24,626
Speaker 3: just to get a sense when you have time you

726
00:33:24,666 --> 00:33:28,626
Speaker 3: can make you can be thorough. That's where Shawn's name

727
00:33:28,666 --> 00:33:30,506
Speaker 3: came up every time. And everybody go in two to

728
00:33:30,546 --> 00:33:31,786
Speaker 3: three years, he's going to be great.

729
00:33:32,146 --> 00:33:33,826
Speaker 1: Down the line, he'll be great, but not yet, but

730
00:33:33,866 --> 00:33:34,666
Speaker 1: down the line.

731
00:33:35,066 --> 00:33:37,586
Speaker 3: And I'm thinking to myself, well, two to three years,

732
00:33:37,666 --> 00:33:39,346
Speaker 3: if we're doing the search again, it's not me, it's

733
00:33:39,346 --> 00:33:42,506
Speaker 3: someone else, right, Like, we're all fired, and you know,

734
00:33:43,026 --> 00:33:45,146
Speaker 3: And so we moved Sean kind of to the top

735
00:33:45,186 --> 00:33:49,066
Speaker 3: of our curious list. And I remember vividly they were

736
00:33:49,506 --> 00:33:51,706
Speaker 3: at the time. They were supposed to be the sixth seed.

737
00:33:52,346 --> 00:33:54,066
Speaker 3: They go into the Giants.

738
00:33:54,146 --> 00:33:56,826
Speaker 1: This is the Washington Redskins. They had a week seventeen

739
00:33:56,906 --> 00:33:59,826
Speaker 1: game against a Giants team that had nothing to play for.

740
00:33:59,866 --> 00:34:03,906
Speaker 3: If I'm not mistaken, yeah, nothing to play for. I

741
00:34:03,906 --> 00:34:06,146
Speaker 3: think the Giants already clinched. That was I want to

742
00:34:06,186 --> 00:34:07,026
Speaker 3: say that the year they.

743
00:34:06,906 --> 00:34:08,066
Speaker 1: Wanted to boat the boat trip.

744
00:34:08,106 --> 00:34:09,266
Speaker 4: This is the boat the Boat trip.

745
00:34:09,306 --> 00:34:11,506
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they eliminated the Redskins in that win.

746
00:34:12,146 --> 00:34:14,826
Speaker 3: So they eliminate the Redskins and they score seven points

747
00:34:14,826 --> 00:34:18,026
Speaker 3: and you know that put Detroit into the playoffs.

748
00:34:18,186 --> 00:34:18,386
Speaker 1: Yep.

749
00:34:18,466 --> 00:34:20,866
Speaker 3: And at the time we were looking I think at

750
00:34:20,866 --> 00:34:22,346
Speaker 3: both Detroit coordinators.

751
00:34:22,866 --> 00:34:23,706
Speaker 4: Uh.

752
00:34:23,746 --> 00:34:26,386
Speaker 3: And so now they can't interview that week and Sean

753
00:34:26,506 --> 00:34:30,586
Speaker 3: comes available. We were expecting is coming off a seven

754
00:34:30,666 --> 00:34:33,786
Speaker 3: point effort against the meaningless Giants and not exactly something.

755
00:34:33,866 --> 00:34:35,586
Speaker 1: You say to the local fan base, Hey, look what

756
00:34:35,586 --> 00:34:35,986
Speaker 1: we just.

757
00:34:35,986 --> 00:34:38,586
Speaker 3: Got correct And you know, the local fan base, by

758
00:34:38,586 --> 00:34:41,306
Speaker 3: the way, thinks, you know, we're going to hire Bill

759
00:34:41,346 --> 00:34:42,306
Speaker 3: Walsh's head coach.

760
00:34:42,706 --> 00:34:42,906
Speaker 1: Yep.

761
00:34:43,266 --> 00:34:46,826
Speaker 3: And you know, Mike Shanahan is offensive coordinator, Nick Saban

762
00:34:46,906 --> 00:34:49,746
Speaker 3: is defensive coordinator, and you know what, We'll let Belichick

763
00:34:49,826 --> 00:34:53,226
Speaker 3: do special teams like that was their vision for you know,

764
00:34:53,266 --> 00:34:55,466
Speaker 3: what the twenty seventeen LA rams were going to do.

765
00:34:55,946 --> 00:34:57,986
Speaker 3: And so I remember we flipped it. I called Sean

766
00:34:58,026 --> 00:35:01,226
Speaker 3: Monday morning and I said, hey, you know, and he

767
00:35:01,266 --> 00:35:03,266
Speaker 3: and I had been together on staff in Tampa in

768
00:35:03,266 --> 00:35:06,106
Speaker 3: two thousand and eight, but if we had talked five times,

769
00:35:06,546 --> 00:35:09,866
Speaker 3: that might that might be a lot. And I said,

770
00:35:09,946 --> 00:35:11,506
Speaker 3: want to get you out of LA for an interview

771
00:35:11,546 --> 00:35:14,066
Speaker 3: Wednesday or Thursday, and He's like, I scored you know,

772
00:35:14,106 --> 00:35:17,586
Speaker 3: typical Sean. I scored seven points? Yes, why are you

773
00:35:17,626 --> 00:35:19,866
Speaker 3: calling me? And you know, so we got him lined

774
00:35:19,946 --> 00:35:22,466
Speaker 3: up and you know, we had five or six interviews

775
00:35:22,506 --> 00:35:24,986
Speaker 3: in LA that week and he comes out Wednesday. And

776
00:35:25,026 --> 00:35:28,306
Speaker 3: you go in to that meeting saying, how on earth

777
00:35:28,306 --> 00:35:29,786
Speaker 3: can we hire a third year old head coach? And I

778
00:35:29,786 --> 00:35:31,866
Speaker 3: would say, you walk out being how on earth do

779
00:35:31,946 --> 00:35:33,546
Speaker 3: we not hire that guy?

780
00:35:33,666 --> 00:35:33,986
Speaker 1: Yes?

781
00:35:34,386 --> 00:35:38,706
Speaker 3: And so we you know, he crushes the interview and

782
00:35:38,746 --> 00:35:39,946
Speaker 3: we kind of look at him and say, hey, can

783
00:35:39,986 --> 00:35:42,506
Speaker 3: you stay. We called Jared Goff and we're like, hey,

784
00:35:42,546 --> 00:35:46,946
Speaker 3: can you come meet, you know, with Sean? And they

785
00:35:46,946 --> 00:35:49,786
Speaker 3: come meet. They headed off. Shawn's brought his computer. He's

786
00:35:49,786 --> 00:35:51,826
Speaker 3: showing film with Jared and what they can do together.

787
00:35:52,346 --> 00:35:54,026
Speaker 3: So then we're like, we got to do something else, so,

788
00:35:54,306 --> 00:35:55,786
Speaker 3: you know, kind of keep him in town. We take

789
00:35:55,826 --> 00:35:59,226
Speaker 3: him to dinner with all of our wives and you know,

790
00:35:59,466 --> 00:36:02,266
Speaker 3: just you hit it off, but he was number five

791
00:36:02,346 --> 00:36:04,026
Speaker 3: in the search and you still wanted to go do

792
00:36:05,026 --> 00:36:05,826
Speaker 3: kind of the thorough search.

793
00:36:05,866 --> 00:36:07,346
Speaker 4: We flew in a way England. We met with both

794
00:36:07,386 --> 00:36:08,946
Speaker 4: Josh McDaniels and Matt Patricia.

795
00:36:09,666 --> 00:36:12,426
Speaker 3: We flew to Florida and finished with Anthony Lynn and

796
00:36:13,186 --> 00:36:16,426
Speaker 3: Doug Morone, you know. And and the thing is, at

797
00:36:16,426 --> 00:36:18,626
Speaker 3: the time, no one else had interviewed Sean, right, so

798
00:36:18,706 --> 00:36:22,386
Speaker 3: you kind of feel like you've got this jas no

799
00:36:22,426 --> 00:36:23,346
Speaker 3: one's talking about.

800
00:36:23,506 --> 00:36:25,186
Speaker 4: And then you know, so.

801
00:36:27,026 --> 00:36:29,186
Speaker 3: I remember Sunday night we finished with you know, the

802
00:36:29,226 --> 00:36:32,666
Speaker 3: interview you know, in Florida, and I at that time,

803
00:36:32,706 --> 00:36:34,786
Speaker 3: the Niners decided they're going to interview Sean.

804
00:36:34,906 --> 00:36:36,546
Speaker 1: And his grandpa was the GM there.

805
00:36:36,586 --> 00:36:39,106
Speaker 3: You're like, ash, yeah, you know, and you know, you

806
00:36:39,186 --> 00:36:41,066
Speaker 3: kind of kind of keep track of all this. And

807
00:36:41,106 --> 00:36:42,346
Speaker 3: so I called him and I said, Hey, I want

808
00:36:42,386 --> 00:36:45,666
Speaker 3: you to come back out to lah meet with the

809
00:36:45,706 --> 00:36:46,386
Speaker 3: owner and.

810
00:36:46,346 --> 00:36:48,066
Speaker 4: All of us. Again, I said, I know you're a

811
00:36:48,066 --> 00:36:49,666
Speaker 4: interviewed with the Niners tomorrow.

812
00:36:50,226 --> 00:36:53,546
Speaker 3: Do well, but not too well, you know, and whatever

813
00:36:53,626 --> 00:36:55,826
Speaker 3: you do, do not accept the job on the spot.

814
00:36:56,026 --> 00:36:59,786
Speaker 3: So we're flying back on Monday and we're flying back

815
00:37:00,146 --> 00:37:02,226
Speaker 3: in texting him are you out of the meeting? Hey?

816
00:37:02,266 --> 00:37:02,586
Speaker 3: What time?

817
00:37:02,626 --> 00:37:06,026
Speaker 4: Wing? Three hours? Four? Ur nothing? And I'm fuming.

818
00:37:06,066 --> 00:37:08,586
Speaker 3: We're on plane and I'm looking at Lesson Tony and

819
00:37:08,666 --> 00:37:09,586
Speaker 3: I'm I'm leaving.

820
00:37:10,186 --> 00:37:11,306
Speaker 1: How do we let him leave the building.

821
00:37:11,386 --> 00:37:14,786
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm losing my right, Like, I can't believe we

822
00:37:14,826 --> 00:37:17,066
Speaker 3: just didn't offer this to him. You know, we should

823
00:37:17,106 --> 00:37:19,586
Speaker 3: have done this. And what was crazy about the search was,

824
00:37:20,426 --> 00:37:22,666
Speaker 3: you know, on the plane ride we've now done in

825
00:37:22,706 --> 00:37:26,466
Speaker 3: our ten interviews and we're comparing notes, we all had

826
00:37:26,466 --> 00:37:29,906
Speaker 3: sean number one, we all had different number twos and threes.

827
00:37:30,866 --> 00:37:33,106
Speaker 1: So the backup plan wasn't even unanimous.

828
00:37:33,386 --> 00:37:35,386
Speaker 3: We didn't have a backup plan. Like we were like,

829
00:37:35,386 --> 00:37:37,106
Speaker 3: what do we do if he says no? And we're

830
00:37:37,146 --> 00:37:43,106
Speaker 3: like we finally we stop in Texas to refuel and

831
00:37:43,186 --> 00:37:46,386
Speaker 3: finally get a hold of him and he's like I crushed,

832
00:37:46,426 --> 00:37:47,586
Speaker 3: And I'm like you're still on the plane and he's like,

833
00:37:47,586 --> 00:37:50,386
Speaker 3: oh yeah, I'll see you, you know, tomorrow and so now.

834
00:37:50,706 --> 00:37:53,026
Speaker 3: But the crazy part about this too is we land

835
00:37:53,066 --> 00:37:56,906
Speaker 3: back in LA and I go to dinner that night

836
00:37:56,986 --> 00:38:00,706
Speaker 3: with I understand cranky and he's owned multiple teams, had

837
00:38:00,706 --> 00:38:04,386
Speaker 3: great success, but he's always had veteran head coaches. So

838
00:38:04,426 --> 00:38:07,106
Speaker 3: you think about Arson Vanger at Arsenal Ledger a coach,

839
00:38:07,226 --> 00:38:10,426
Speaker 3: George Carl, Jeff Fisher, you know, Joel Quinnville, like and

840
00:38:10,506 --> 00:38:13,226
Speaker 3: you go through all the sports and you're like, hey,

841
00:38:13,266 --> 00:38:15,666
Speaker 3: I really think the best person is this thirty year

842
00:38:15,706 --> 00:38:16,826
Speaker 3: old you've never heard of.

843
00:38:16,826 --> 00:38:19,106
Speaker 1: Who just lost to the Giants, and we who.

844
00:38:19,026 --> 00:38:22,786
Speaker 3: Just lost the Yeah, isn't playing in the playoffs. And

845
00:38:23,026 --> 00:38:27,426
Speaker 3: we're watching the Clemson Alabama National championship game and Hunter

846
00:38:27,466 --> 00:38:30,866
Speaker 3: Renfrow and Deshaun Watson score and I'm like, look, we'll

847
00:38:30,866 --> 00:38:33,946
Speaker 3: go to dinner tomorrow to do it and what I

848
00:38:34,386 --> 00:38:34,746
Speaker 3: what else?

849
00:38:34,786 --> 00:38:36,866
Speaker 4: Remember? The same time, we get back to LA and.

850
00:38:38,626 --> 00:38:41,346
Speaker 3: I walk back in the office and Joanna Hunter, who

851
00:38:41,346 --> 00:38:44,306
Speaker 3: works for us, who helps run our communications along with

852
00:38:44,386 --> 00:38:48,146
Speaker 3: artists Wiman, and she's like, you know, everybody thinks you

853
00:38:48,266 --> 00:38:51,546
Speaker 3: tony and lesser morons and you've never won anything, and

854
00:38:51,546 --> 00:38:53,546
Speaker 3: you're running this coaching search and everybody else is hiring

855
00:38:53,546 --> 00:38:55,666
Speaker 3: consultants and now they are all these rumors you want

856
00:38:55,706 --> 00:38:57,426
Speaker 3: to hire a thirty year old, Like, do you guys

857
00:38:57,466 --> 00:38:59,906
Speaker 3: know what you're doing? I love this and I'm like,

858
00:39:00,226 --> 00:39:02,906
Speaker 3: I think we do, but maybe not. She's like, you know,

859
00:39:02,946 --> 00:39:05,666
Speaker 3: you should get some other validation before you do this,

860
00:39:05,826 --> 00:39:08,706
Speaker 3: And so I sit down and I think, you know,

861
00:39:08,946 --> 00:39:09,746
Speaker 3: all right, I love.

862
00:39:09,626 --> 00:39:12,226
Speaker 1: That Joanna is in the office and she's like, someone's

863
00:39:12,226 --> 00:39:13,706
Speaker 1: got to be a voice of reason here.

864
00:39:13,666 --> 00:39:17,826
Speaker 3: And anybody knows Joanna, She's always the voice tell you yeah,

865
00:39:17,906 --> 00:39:21,386
Speaker 3: you know. And and so she goes, what about someone

866
00:39:21,426 --> 00:39:24,706
Speaker 3: like Marshall fulk And I'm like, Marshall thinks we should

867
00:39:24,786 --> 00:39:27,466
Speaker 3: hire a veteran coach. So I call him and I'm like, no, no,

868
00:39:27,506 --> 00:39:29,386
Speaker 3: I'm not going to do this, and like we all

869
00:39:29,386 --> 00:39:31,586
Speaker 3: do our best thinking in the shower. The next morning,

870
00:39:32,026 --> 00:39:33,746
Speaker 3: I'm showering, I'm like, you know what, She's right. So

871
00:39:33,786 --> 00:39:36,666
Speaker 3: I call Marshall. I'm like, hey, we're going to dinner tonight,

872
00:39:36,986 --> 00:39:40,386
Speaker 3: Stan myself, Sean, would you join? And he goes, oh,

873
00:39:40,426 --> 00:39:42,786
Speaker 3: I'd love to. He goes, but you should hire a

874
00:39:42,906 --> 00:39:45,706
Speaker 3: veteran coach, like you need offense to do this. I'm like,

875
00:39:45,746 --> 00:39:48,026
Speaker 3: that's why you're perfect. You don't believe in this guy.

876
00:39:48,746 --> 00:39:50,986
Speaker 3: So and you know there's been a lot made, you know,

877
00:39:50,986 --> 00:39:52,466
Speaker 3: the Spago story has been written.

878
00:39:52,826 --> 00:39:55,386
Speaker 1: That's after the fact, right or is that that's that's.

879
00:39:55,226 --> 00:39:58,066
Speaker 3: The next night, so we go to dinner and Marshall

880
00:39:58,146 --> 00:40:00,146
Speaker 3: was walking in and he's telling Stan like, hey, I

881
00:40:00,306 --> 00:40:03,426
Speaker 3: really appreciated becoming like, I don't believe in this kid.

882
00:40:03,546 --> 00:40:07,426
Speaker 3: Whatever you know, Sean and Mark Shoal and knock it out.

883
00:40:07,466 --> 00:40:10,546
Speaker 4: Of the park and they took two of the smartest

884
00:40:10,546 --> 00:40:11,706
Speaker 4: football people who ever met.

885
00:40:11,786 --> 00:40:13,986
Speaker 1: Right, Marshall, Funk is brilliant. You listen to talk football

886
00:40:14,026 --> 00:40:16,226
Speaker 1: rush of Funk like he he could be an NFL

887
00:40:16,226 --> 00:40:17,426
Speaker 1: head coach right now if he wanted to be.

888
00:40:17,546 --> 00:40:19,586
Speaker 3: Yeah, And he walks out of dinner and he turns

889
00:40:19,586 --> 00:40:20,866
Speaker 3: the stand and he goes, if you got you let

890
00:40:20,866 --> 00:40:22,306
Speaker 3: that guy leave the building, you.

891
00:40:22,306 --> 00:40:23,706
Speaker 4: Know, shame on you.

892
00:40:24,146 --> 00:40:26,706
Speaker 3: Oh, And that's you know, that's how we wound up

893
00:40:26,946 --> 00:40:29,146
Speaker 3: hiring Sean. But I would tell you like running a

894
00:40:29,186 --> 00:40:32,586
Speaker 3: coaching search for the two most grueling weeks probably of

895
00:40:32,626 --> 00:40:35,946
Speaker 3: your life. And I'm so glad the NFL has now

896
00:40:35,986 --> 00:40:39,666
Speaker 3: stretched out the calendar to allow for better decision making,

897
00:40:39,746 --> 00:40:44,226
Speaker 3: because it is really hard and intense and a drain

898
00:40:44,826 --> 00:40:47,306
Speaker 3: on your organization. But the one thing you know that

899
00:40:47,386 --> 00:40:49,106
Speaker 3: you go through you meet all these people, You get

900
00:40:49,106 --> 00:40:54,546
Speaker 3: a chance to build all these you know, great relationships.

901
00:40:54,746 --> 00:40:57,786
Speaker 3: You know, And and I'll tell a funny story. Coach

902
00:40:57,866 --> 00:41:00,266
Speaker 3: we saw this year. At one point we interviewed in

903
00:41:00,266 --> 00:41:03,426
Speaker 3: our head coaching search who kept calling Tony Pastors who

904
00:41:03,466 --> 00:41:05,386
Speaker 3: works with us. He kept calling him by the wrong

905
00:41:05,466 --> 00:41:10,306
Speaker 3: first name. The whole inner, I won't and we never

906
00:41:10,386 --> 00:41:12,706
Speaker 3: stopped him. And so now every time we see this coach,

907
00:41:13,386 --> 00:41:16,146
Speaker 3: he walks over and he's like, hey, Kevin, he goes,

908
00:41:16,146 --> 00:41:16,986
Speaker 3: great to see you, Paul.

909
00:41:17,306 --> 00:41:22,866
Speaker 4: That's what you called Tony Paul the whole time and relationship.

910
00:41:23,746 --> 00:41:25,426
Speaker 3: And by the way, this coach still finished in our

911
00:41:25,466 --> 00:41:29,306
Speaker 3: top three, got across the board like great, dude. And

912
00:41:29,306 --> 00:41:31,866
Speaker 3: and so you know, you get all these stories and

913
00:41:31,906 --> 00:41:33,466
Speaker 3: you meet all these people and you go through it,

914
00:41:33,506 --> 00:41:35,266
Speaker 3: but you also learned so much about your building. I

915
00:41:35,266 --> 00:41:37,946
Speaker 3: remember one coach who interviewed was not the same one

916
00:41:38,346 --> 00:41:39,986
Speaker 3: asked us a question and he goes, hey, when I

917
00:41:39,986 --> 00:41:42,146
Speaker 3: get in your building up you hire me? Who am

918
00:41:42,146 --> 00:41:43,866
Speaker 3: I going to find out? Is the problem that you

919
00:41:43,906 --> 00:41:44,666
Speaker 3: didn't tell me about?

920
00:41:45,186 --> 00:41:45,426
Speaker 1: Yeah?

921
00:41:45,506 --> 00:41:47,946
Speaker 3: Good question, and it blew us all away, and we

922
00:41:47,986 --> 00:41:50,066
Speaker 3: actually left that meeting. We all kind of stumbled our

923
00:41:50,106 --> 00:41:51,586
Speaker 3: way through the answer because you don't want to like

924
00:41:51,946 --> 00:41:55,226
Speaker 3: pull someone there, and we wound up making two changes

925
00:41:55,266 --> 00:41:57,426
Speaker 3: the following week as a result of that question.

926
00:41:57,666 --> 00:41:59,746
Speaker 1: Do you have an animus answer? That person's toxic for

927
00:41:59,786 --> 00:42:01,826
Speaker 1: the building, But that's thanks for putting the mirror on us.

928
00:42:02,026 --> 00:42:04,066
Speaker 3: Ye, And those are the elements I think when you

929
00:42:04,226 --> 00:42:06,146
Speaker 3: have a coach insearch and you make a GM change,

930
00:42:06,506 --> 00:42:08,986
Speaker 3: you actually have to be pretty introspective about, like are

931
00:42:09,026 --> 00:42:10,946
Speaker 3: you setting the next coach up for success or are

932
00:42:10,986 --> 00:42:13,706
Speaker 3: you just hoping that they're a miracle worker who can

933
00:42:13,786 --> 00:42:15,946
Speaker 3: fix everything that was wrong before.

934
00:42:16,066 --> 00:42:16,106
Speaker 4: Not.

935
00:42:16,306 --> 00:42:19,546
Speaker 3: Usually the issue is in your building, and the coaches

936
00:42:19,906 --> 00:42:23,386
Speaker 3: emblematic of that more than it's just the coach themselves.

937
00:42:23,786 --> 00:42:27,266
Speaker 1: You mentioned the Spago story, which might be legendary lower

938
00:42:27,346 --> 00:42:29,546
Speaker 1: in our circles, but the listener might not know it.

939
00:42:29,586 --> 00:42:31,266
Speaker 1: Can you share us the Spago story?

940
00:42:31,426 --> 00:42:34,466
Speaker 3: Yeah, So we go to Spago and Uh, a restaurant

941
00:42:34,506 --> 00:42:38,466
Speaker 3: in Beverly Hills. Wolfgang Park is the owner, chef famous,

942
00:42:38,546 --> 00:42:41,906
Speaker 3: you know, one of probably the first star celebrity chef.

943
00:42:42,106 --> 00:42:42,426
Speaker 1: Yeah.

944
00:42:42,506 --> 00:42:44,706
Speaker 3: And so he comes by the table and he knows

945
00:42:44,746 --> 00:42:49,866
Speaker 3: Stan pretty well and he goes, Stan, we got to

946
00:42:49,946 --> 00:42:52,346
Speaker 3: hire a coach. You know who are we hiring?

947
00:42:52,386 --> 00:42:53,906
Speaker 4: I'm so excited. I'm such a fan.

948
00:42:54,426 --> 00:42:58,066
Speaker 3: And Sean's sitting right there and he's like, oh, Marshall Falk,

949
00:42:58,106 --> 00:43:00,306
Speaker 3: that's great, nice to meet you. He's looking at Sean

950
00:43:00,386 --> 00:43:03,586
Speaker 3: like he's the intern, and you know, he's asking. He's

951
00:43:03,626 --> 00:43:05,986
Speaker 3: like he's like, I hear we may get and he rattles.

952
00:43:05,746 --> 00:43:06,986
Speaker 4: Off a bunch of names.

953
00:43:07,146 --> 00:43:10,346
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like in Sean's sitting right there, probably shrinking

954
00:43:10,426 --> 00:43:12,946
Speaker 3: back in his chair, you know, and so we're just

955
00:43:13,026 --> 00:43:13,586
Speaker 3: kind of laughing.

956
00:43:13,666 --> 00:43:14,306
Speaker 4: We go through it.

957
00:43:14,626 --> 00:43:18,066
Speaker 3: Uh, Fergie and Josh dou Hamm will come walking by like, hey,

958
00:43:18,506 --> 00:43:19,426
Speaker 3: who are we going to hire?

959
00:43:19,626 --> 00:43:23,146
Speaker 1: Like and your tables? Sean has he already accepted the

960
00:43:23,186 --> 00:43:23,906
Speaker 1: job or no, no.

961
00:43:23,906 --> 00:43:25,386
Speaker 3: We haven't even offered it to him. This is like

962
00:43:25,426 --> 00:43:26,386
Speaker 3: his final interview.

963
00:43:26,586 --> 00:43:28,546
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I've been in these rooms where everyone

964
00:43:28,546 --> 00:43:30,706
Speaker 1: where everyone's looking at everyone else, but you I understand

965
00:43:30,706 --> 00:43:32,386
Speaker 1: where Sean's feeling better, you.

966
00:43:32,346 --> 00:43:34,386
Speaker 3: Know, and you know. So we go through the sun

967
00:43:34,426 --> 00:43:36,386
Speaker 3: and then you know, Sean tells the story even better

968
00:43:36,386 --> 00:43:37,786
Speaker 3: than anybody. But we get to the end of the night,

969
00:43:37,826 --> 00:43:40,466
Speaker 3: like Sean crushes it. So we go to the hotel.

970
00:43:40,506 --> 00:43:43,626
Speaker 3: He and Stan are standing across the street and he's

971
00:43:43,666 --> 00:43:46,266
Speaker 3: expecting Stan to be like, hey, you crushed it. You're

972
00:43:46,306 --> 00:43:48,146
Speaker 3: my guy, Like let's go do this, and stands like

973
00:43:48,506 --> 00:43:53,306
Speaker 3: all right, great, I'll see tomorrow Like no, no, no, Sean.

974
00:43:53,666 --> 00:43:55,306
Speaker 3: Sean wakes up the next day and he's like he's

975
00:43:55,346 --> 00:43:57,066
Speaker 3: laying in bed. He's like, you know, you got a

976
00:43:57,066 --> 00:43:59,306
Speaker 3: good job in Washington. You're a coordinator and the rest

977
00:43:59,426 --> 00:44:02,746
Speaker 3: is his history, and you know, so grateful to have him.

978
00:44:02,746 --> 00:44:05,186
Speaker 3: But you know, I still it's hard for me to

979
00:44:05,266 --> 00:44:07,706
Speaker 3: believe that was seven years ago.

980
00:44:07,786 --> 00:44:10,626
Speaker 1: Crazy because like yesterday, I remember being in Atlanta because

981
00:44:10,626 --> 00:44:13,226
Speaker 1: I was doing a playoff game, Seahawks versus Falcons. I

982
00:44:13,266 --> 00:44:16,106
Speaker 1: was the sideline reporter, and I remember talking to Sean

983
00:44:16,186 --> 00:44:19,226
Speaker 1: from his vantage point going into those meets, and I

984
00:44:19,226 --> 00:44:21,666
Speaker 1: think you guys had him staying at like the Four

985
00:44:21,746 --> 00:44:24,146
Speaker 1: Seasons in Westlake Village maybe or it was maybe the

986
00:44:24,226 --> 00:44:26,586
Speaker 1: Chateau Mormont. It was some fancy hotel, and he was

987
00:44:26,626 --> 00:44:28,426
Speaker 1: impressedly He's like they told me I could order anything

988
00:44:28,466 --> 00:44:30,226
Speaker 1: from room service for free, and I'm like, I love

989
00:44:30,266 --> 00:44:32,746
Speaker 1: this about you, Like you're he's thirty years old, never

990
00:44:32,786 --> 00:44:34,586
Speaker 1: been treated like this, and like, you guys really rolled

991
00:44:34,626 --> 00:44:35,986
Speaker 1: out the red carpet. But he had no idea he

992
00:44:35,986 --> 00:44:36,986
Speaker 1: was getting offered that job.

993
00:44:37,586 --> 00:44:39,106
Speaker 4: No, I mean, I think he knew he had crushed

994
00:44:39,146 --> 00:44:39,866
Speaker 4: it both times.

995
00:44:39,946 --> 00:44:43,226
Speaker 3: And there's no one more self confident in a positive

996
00:44:43,226 --> 00:44:46,306
Speaker 3: way than Sean McVay. But you know, you got to

997
00:44:46,346 --> 00:44:48,946
Speaker 3: go convince the owner, who's like, I'm really going to

998
00:44:48,986 --> 00:44:52,186
Speaker 3: go trust the future of my franchise in LA. This

999
00:44:52,266 --> 00:44:55,986
Speaker 3: bet that I've made Sofi Stadium, moving a team on

1000
00:44:56,786 --> 00:44:59,426
Speaker 3: a thirty year old and you know, I would say

1001
00:45:00,066 --> 00:45:02,226
Speaker 3: the history of the Rams can be written by Stan

1002
00:45:02,266 --> 00:45:04,546
Speaker 3: Cronckey making the two biggest bets in the NFL the

1003
00:45:04,586 --> 00:45:05,106
Speaker 3: past decade.

1004
00:45:05,146 --> 00:45:06,426
Speaker 4: Hey, I'm going to go build a stadium in LA

1005
00:45:06,426 --> 00:45:07,066
Speaker 4: and go for it.

1006
00:45:07,306 --> 00:45:08,746
Speaker 3: And I'm going to go hire a thirty year old

1007
00:45:08,826 --> 00:45:11,386
Speaker 3: head coach. And you know we're fortunate enough to hoist

1008
00:45:11,386 --> 00:45:14,706
Speaker 3: a Lombardi Trophy in Sofi Stadium Super Bowl fifty six.

1009
00:45:15,026 --> 00:45:16,506
Speaker 4: You know, those two beats came to fruition.

1010
00:45:17,146 --> 00:45:20,066
Speaker 1: I said, to start this thing the thirty thousand foot guy.

1011
00:45:20,106 --> 00:45:22,186
Speaker 1: For me, you look at the entire league as a whole,

1012
00:45:22,226 --> 00:45:25,746
Speaker 1: but you also know pretty much every piece of the organization.

1013
00:45:26,146 --> 00:45:28,386
Speaker 1: Here's a question I have when these coaches are interviewing

1014
00:45:28,386 --> 00:45:30,106
Speaker 1: and they say, yeah, my defensive coordinator is going to

1015
00:45:30,146 --> 00:45:31,866
Speaker 1: be this guy and my offensive coordinator is going to

1016
00:45:31,866 --> 00:45:34,146
Speaker 1: be that guy. Is there a budget for that or

1017
00:45:34,226 --> 00:45:35,826
Speaker 1: is it like, how does that work with a team

1018
00:45:35,906 --> 00:45:37,426
Speaker 1: or is that team specific. I know it's very in

1019
00:45:37,466 --> 00:45:39,346
Speaker 1: the weeds, but as these coaches are all interviewing right now.

1020
00:45:39,386 --> 00:45:42,306
Speaker 1: They come in with a plan, but maybe the twenty

1021
00:45:42,386 --> 00:45:45,586
Speaker 1: year defensive coach has a different price tag than the

1022
00:45:45,826 --> 00:45:48,866
Speaker 1: assistant who is, you know, three years into his NFL career.

1023
00:45:49,226 --> 00:45:50,906
Speaker 3: Well, the really funny part is if you do ten

1024
00:45:50,946 --> 00:45:53,466
Speaker 3: of these, eight of them say their defensive coordinator is

1025
00:45:53,466 --> 00:45:55,466
Speaker 3: going to be the same guy, same guy, right right,

1026
00:45:55,506 --> 00:45:57,186
Speaker 3: So you do the meat, you do the interview in

1027
00:45:57,226 --> 00:46:00,026
Speaker 3: the morning, and they're like, you know, hey, you know

1028
00:46:00,226 --> 00:46:02,826
Speaker 3: Raheem Morris is going to be my defensive coordinator And

1029
00:46:02,826 --> 00:46:05,106
Speaker 3: you're like, okay, Like I kind of like Raheem, like that's.

1030
00:46:04,946 --> 00:46:05,586
Speaker 4: A great addition.

1031
00:46:05,866 --> 00:46:07,386
Speaker 3: Then you do the to be the next thing like, hey,

1032
00:46:07,386 --> 00:46:09,066
Speaker 3: and I talked to Raheem Morris, he wants to be

1033
00:46:09,106 --> 00:46:11,946
Speaker 3: in my DC. And then you realize it's all you know,

1034
00:46:12,346 --> 00:46:15,386
Speaker 3: that part you have to throw out, Like and even

1035
00:46:15,426 --> 00:46:18,226
Speaker 3: now when I advise coaches to interview, I'm like, don't

1036
00:46:18,946 --> 00:46:21,546
Speaker 3: don't talk about names, because you don't know if you

1037
00:46:21,586 --> 00:46:24,826
Speaker 3: can get them the salaries, the budgets, the competition. They

1038
00:46:24,866 --> 00:46:27,586
Speaker 3: go talk about your vision for what you want each

1039
00:46:27,666 --> 00:46:29,706
Speaker 3: coach to be. Hey, my defensive coordinator, do they play

1040
00:46:29,746 --> 00:46:32,706
Speaker 3: an attacking style? Are they blitzing or do they play more,

1041
00:46:32,786 --> 00:46:35,266
Speaker 3: you know three four four three, you know offense or

1042
00:46:35,266 --> 00:46:37,546
Speaker 3: we a play action team, or we a deep shot team,

1043
00:46:37,586 --> 00:46:38,746
Speaker 3: or we a run heavy team.

1044
00:46:39,226 --> 00:46:41,546
Speaker 4: And then say the guys who fit that are this?

1045
00:46:42,306 --> 00:46:44,706
Speaker 3: You know walk through you know your vision for each

1046
00:46:44,706 --> 00:46:48,146
Speaker 3: coaching position because the names, you know, you might get

1047
00:46:48,266 --> 00:46:51,346
Speaker 3: enamored with a name. Whether the coach can deliver them

1048
00:46:51,426 --> 00:46:54,466
Speaker 3: or not, you have no clue. And you know, especially

1049
00:46:54,586 --> 00:46:56,386
Speaker 3: you know you might make the last tire. You might

1050
00:46:56,906 --> 00:47:00,266
Speaker 3: hire someone after the super Bowl and that coach has said,

1051
00:47:00,266 --> 00:47:01,626
Speaker 3: you know, hey, I can't wait. I got to take

1052
00:47:01,666 --> 00:47:05,506
Speaker 3: a sure thing. That's really the hard part. You know,

1053
00:47:05,586 --> 00:47:07,706
Speaker 3: when you go through this conversations. Now I'll remember, you

1054
00:47:07,706 --> 00:47:11,626
Speaker 3: know when Seawn interviewed, he said, Wade Phillips, Waite Phillips

1055
00:47:11,666 --> 00:47:13,546
Speaker 3: is going to be so we called Waite Phillips, you

1056
00:47:13,586 --> 00:47:17,226
Speaker 3: know during the break and like is he real Sean

1057
00:47:17,346 --> 00:47:20,106
Speaker 3: Puller And he's like, oh no, Wade love Sean. You know,

1058
00:47:20,146 --> 00:47:22,746
Speaker 3: he'd loved to go and sure enough, like it's a

1059
00:47:22,746 --> 00:47:24,866
Speaker 3: great credit to Sean. And where he was at thirty

1060
00:47:24,906 --> 00:47:26,466
Speaker 3: he got everybody he listed.

1061
00:47:26,626 --> 00:47:28,866
Speaker 1: That first staff was who it was Wade, it was

1062
00:47:28,946 --> 00:47:32,786
Speaker 1: Joe Barry, it was on offense, the floor first or no, Yeah,

1063
00:47:32,786 --> 00:47:37,426
Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur was Zach came on as Zach Taylor was

1064
00:47:37,466 --> 00:47:40,146
Speaker 1: our assistant wide receivers coach. Think about that.

1065
00:47:40,626 --> 00:47:43,586
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that staff had Shane Waldron was our tight

1066
00:47:43,666 --> 00:47:44,266
Speaker 3: ends coach.

1067
00:47:44,066 --> 00:47:46,626
Speaker 1: The OC in Seattle right now, No, the o C Aaron.

1068
00:47:46,466 --> 00:47:49,306
Speaker 3: Cromer was the line coach now the OC kind of

1069
00:47:49,306 --> 00:47:52,706
Speaker 3: the assistant OC in Buffalo. Then you had Matt Lafleur

1070
00:47:54,746 --> 00:47:58,866
Speaker 3: trying to think of QB coach was Greg Olsen who's

1071
00:47:58,946 --> 00:48:01,906
Speaker 3: now ye, who's now in Seattle and went on to

1072
00:48:01,906 --> 00:48:03,386
Speaker 3: become the Raiders, you.

1073
00:48:03,346 --> 00:48:04,826
Speaker 1: Know o C under me.

1074
00:48:05,106 --> 00:48:07,866
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And so you know, just that staff, you know,

1075
00:48:07,906 --> 00:48:10,026
Speaker 3: on the offense, they've all gone on to you know,

1076
00:48:10,066 --> 00:48:11,866
Speaker 3: the great things. But you think about like our basically

1077
00:48:11,946 --> 00:48:13,826
Speaker 3: quality controlled coach is now one of the best head

1078
00:48:13,826 --> 00:48:16,066
Speaker 3: coaches in the NFL, and Zach Taylor, and then you

1079
00:48:16,106 --> 00:48:18,546
Speaker 3: go to defense, you had you know, Joe Barry, you

1080
00:48:18,546 --> 00:48:23,506
Speaker 3: had wayde Phillips, Bill Johnson, Aubrey Pleasant, uh, Jiro Everro.

1081
00:48:23,786 --> 00:48:27,106
Speaker 4: You know, I mean, just like great great staff.

1082
00:48:26,826 --> 00:48:28,666
Speaker 1: Out of the gates. That's such a test. I mean,

1083
00:48:28,786 --> 00:48:30,946
Speaker 1: think about that, this is a thirty year old coach.

1084
00:48:31,066 --> 00:48:33,306
Speaker 3: And convinced John Fossil to stay, which was you know

1085
00:48:33,346 --> 00:48:35,706
Speaker 3: a great you know, someone who had been the interim coach,

1086
00:48:35,706 --> 00:48:37,426
Speaker 3: who had great opportunities to like thirty year old coach

1087
00:48:37,746 --> 00:48:39,946
Speaker 3: put together a great staff. But you know, everybody's got

1088
00:48:39,946 --> 00:48:43,186
Speaker 3: a budget versus and coaches. You know, it's but it's

1089
00:48:43,226 --> 00:48:44,906
Speaker 3: kind of like a salary gap, right, no matter what

1090
00:48:44,946 --> 00:48:46,866
Speaker 3: it is, you're going to pay the mode you get.

1091
00:48:46,946 --> 00:48:49,746
Speaker 3: Go get the defensive coordinator. Hey, maybe I won't spend

1092
00:48:49,746 --> 00:48:52,586
Speaker 3: as much on the linebackers coach, Go get the OC

1093
00:48:53,186 --> 00:48:53,866
Speaker 3: tight ends coach.

1094
00:48:53,906 --> 00:48:56,266
Speaker 4: I can fudge a little bit. You know, it's no

1095
00:48:56,386 --> 00:48:56,986
Speaker 4: different than that.

1096
00:48:57,066 --> 00:48:59,346
Speaker 3: You know, you go with the people that are the

1097
00:48:59,386 --> 00:49:01,786
Speaker 3: foundational pieces, and you want to make sure you get

1098
00:49:01,786 --> 00:49:04,506
Speaker 3: the coach you know everything you can and and like

1099
00:49:04,546 --> 00:49:07,226
Speaker 3: all budgets, you know, they usually go over or sheepishly

1100
00:49:07,306 --> 00:49:10,026
Speaker 3: and you kind of just let him do it.

1101
00:49:10,026 --> 00:49:13,026
Speaker 1: It's no secret that, uh, Sean's a friend, and I've

1102
00:49:13,066 --> 00:49:15,386
Speaker 1: been a fan of Sean's. There's no secret that guys

1103
00:49:15,426 --> 00:49:19,266
Speaker 1: like Kingsbury and Salah and Hackett I've got great relationships with.

1104
00:49:19,866 --> 00:49:21,986
Speaker 1: But if there's one guy in the league that I'm

1105
00:49:22,066 --> 00:49:24,426
Speaker 1: rooting to have success and get another shot at a

1106
00:49:24,426 --> 00:49:27,826
Speaker 1: head coaching position. It's your current defensive coordinator, Raheem Morris.

1107
00:49:28,186 --> 00:49:30,186
Speaker 1: I see that he's been asked to interview at a

1108
00:49:30,186 --> 00:49:33,426
Speaker 1: few places. You see raw every single day there in

1109
00:49:33,466 --> 00:49:36,626
Speaker 1: the building. Make the case for Raheem Morris NFL head coach.

1110
00:49:37,506 --> 00:49:39,546
Speaker 3: One of the best leaders in culture builders I've ever

1111
00:49:39,586 --> 00:49:42,586
Speaker 3: been around. Wow, and I was with Raheem and Tampa.

1112
00:49:43,506 --> 00:49:45,386
Speaker 3: But this is the guy who makes your building better.

1113
00:49:45,426 --> 00:49:49,266
Speaker 3: He's the glue guy who brings everywhere together, your equipment staff,

1114
00:49:49,306 --> 00:49:52,066
Speaker 3: your training staff, your pr the building and the I

1115
00:49:52,186 --> 00:49:54,866
Speaker 3: can coach like and I think, you know, I start

1116
00:49:54,906 --> 00:49:57,986
Speaker 3: with the culture and you know leader, because you know

1117
00:49:58,026 --> 00:50:00,186
Speaker 3: that's what you see every day. I look at this

1118
00:50:00,266 --> 00:50:03,866
Speaker 3: year's defense. You know PFAF had US rated thirty ninth.

1119
00:50:03,906 --> 00:50:06,866
Speaker 3: I think on defense coming into the year, you know,

1120
00:50:07,226 --> 00:50:08,306
Speaker 3: everybody just killed.

1121
00:50:08,426 --> 00:50:08,626
Speaker 4: You know.

1122
00:50:08,666 --> 00:50:11,426
Speaker 3: We had national media show up to camp like it's

1123
00:50:11,426 --> 00:50:16,706
Speaker 3: like major league, Like, who are yeah? Yeah, the groundskeepers

1124
00:50:16,706 --> 00:50:19,106
Speaker 3: sitting there, you know, you know, can't say, you know,

1125
00:50:19,906 --> 00:50:22,866
Speaker 3: you know these guys are blank, you know, and you

1126
00:50:22,906 --> 00:50:25,106
Speaker 3: know it's Aaron Donald and ten nobody's And we come

1127
00:50:25,146 --> 00:50:27,266
Speaker 3: out of the gate and we shut out Seattle in

1128
00:50:27,266 --> 00:50:29,826
Speaker 3: the second half more than thirteen points, and we've had

1129
00:50:29,866 --> 00:50:31,426
Speaker 3: five shutout halps this year.

1130
00:50:32,066 --> 00:50:33,426
Speaker 4: I think the defense finished.

1131
00:50:33,106 --> 00:50:36,786
Speaker 3: Seventeenth, eighteenth made impact plays brought. I mean, Kobe Turner

1132
00:50:36,826 --> 00:50:39,586
Speaker 3: should win Defensive Rookie of the Year. You know, nine

1133
00:50:39,706 --> 00:50:42,306
Speaker 3: sacks from an interior position, Third round pick Pyron Young

1134
00:50:42,386 --> 00:50:45,026
Speaker 3: number two in sacks as an outside linebacker.

1135
00:50:45,386 --> 00:50:46,826
Speaker 1: Both rookies. Unbelievable.

1136
00:50:47,266 --> 00:50:50,186
Speaker 3: Both rookies are starting Darien Kendrick and Russy Yeast.

1137
00:50:50,226 --> 00:50:50,746
Speaker 4: It's safety.

1138
00:50:50,786 --> 00:50:54,666
Speaker 3: I mean, Christian Roseboom, guys we had hopes for, but

1139
00:50:54,746 --> 00:50:57,426
Speaker 3: nobody's heard. Sure you know of these guys and turn

1140
00:50:57,506 --> 00:50:59,626
Speaker 3: them into a unit. And you know, look where I

1141
00:50:59,626 --> 00:51:02,026
Speaker 3: get frustrated. And this isn't a knock. I'm a big

1142
00:51:02,066 --> 00:51:04,946
Speaker 3: Brandon Staley fan, and Brandon did an amazing job for

1143
00:51:05,026 --> 00:51:07,826
Speaker 3: us in twenty twenty. You know, led the league in defense,

1144
00:51:09,266 --> 00:51:11,066
Speaker 3: you know, but we go to the playoffs, we give

1145
00:51:11,106 --> 00:51:13,906
Speaker 3: up five hundred yards to Green Bay in the divisional

1146
00:51:14,026 --> 00:51:18,266
Speaker 3: round and we get forty four slips for Brandon Staley

1147
00:51:18,266 --> 00:51:19,946
Speaker 3: as head coach and he can have his pick of jobs.

1148
00:51:19,946 --> 00:51:23,106
Speaker 3: In twenty twenty one, Raheem Morris wins the Super Bowl.

1149
00:51:23,506 --> 00:51:25,706
Speaker 3: You know, nine sacks in the second half.

1150
00:51:26,226 --> 00:51:26,986
Speaker 4: You know, we have this.

1151
00:51:26,986 --> 00:51:30,786
Speaker 3: Year and you're fighting to get people to interview, and

1152
00:51:31,106 --> 00:51:33,066
Speaker 3: you know, to me, that's just where the system you know,

1153
00:51:33,186 --> 00:51:35,666
Speaker 3: is a little bit broken in our world. And you

1154
00:51:35,666 --> 00:51:37,306
Speaker 3: get in a room with Raheem and he was fortunate

1155
00:51:37,346 --> 00:51:39,546
Speaker 3: enough to get pretty deep with the Colts you know,

1156
00:51:39,626 --> 00:51:42,746
Speaker 3: last year. But he has a vision for how he

1157
00:51:42,786 --> 00:51:45,386
Speaker 3: wants to play football, how he wants to lead. You know,

1158
00:51:45,466 --> 00:51:48,786
Speaker 3: I left Tampa the year he got the head coaching job,

1159
00:51:48,906 --> 00:51:52,226
Speaker 3: and you know, obviously he took that team to ten wins.

1160
00:51:51,906 --> 00:51:54,706
Speaker 1: And with Josh Freeman and a bunch of guys no

1161
00:51:54,746 --> 00:51:56,306
Speaker 1: one knew, and they went ten games.

1162
00:51:56,826 --> 00:51:59,906
Speaker 3: And you know, from two thousand and eight until Tom

1163
00:51:59,906 --> 00:52:02,146
Speaker 3: Brady showed up, that franchise never won double digits.

1164
00:52:02,546 --> 00:52:04,586
Speaker 4: Raheem Morris had their only double digit season.

1165
00:52:04,586 --> 00:52:06,906
Speaker 3: He goes to Atlanta as the interim coach, you know,

1166
00:52:07,266 --> 00:52:10,226
Speaker 3: does a great job beat I think holds Patrick Mahomes

1167
00:52:10,306 --> 00:52:13,146
Speaker 3: to his lowest total, you know, of the year during.

1168
00:52:13,106 --> 00:52:14,786
Speaker 1: I remember that in Arrowhead, Yeah, and.

1169
00:52:15,026 --> 00:52:17,946
Speaker 3: An Arrowhead, And so I think you have this dynamic coach,

1170
00:52:18,426 --> 00:52:21,426
Speaker 3: you know who who has learned under a nuts stay.

1171
00:52:21,466 --> 00:52:26,466
Speaker 3: Sean McVay, Kyle Shanahan, dan Quinn, Mike Tomlin, John Gruden. Mine,

1172
00:52:26,906 --> 00:52:29,826
Speaker 3: I mean Jay, I mean like Mike Shanahan, like he

1173
00:52:29,906 --> 00:52:32,826
Speaker 3: has been with the Pantheon, you know of coaches, he'll

1174
00:52:32,826 --> 00:52:35,506
Speaker 3: he'll go crush it, you know. Kyle Shanahan says if

1175
00:52:35,506 --> 00:52:36,986
Speaker 3: he had if you were telling an owner of the

1176
00:52:36,986 --> 00:52:37,546
Speaker 3: first person I.

1177
00:52:37,546 --> 00:52:40,666
Speaker 1: Saw this, I'll be honest. The quote was, if an

1178
00:52:40,666 --> 00:52:42,746
Speaker 1: owner was to ask me, the first person who they

1179
00:52:42,746 --> 00:52:44,986
Speaker 1: should hire as a head coach is Raheem Morris. And

1180
00:52:45,026 --> 00:52:47,946
Speaker 1: that's not a staff member on his team. I saw

1181
00:52:48,106 --> 00:52:50,746
Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin came out and had a very public statement

1182
00:52:50,826 --> 00:52:54,066
Speaker 1: about you're talking about the luminaries of the NFL right now. McVeigh,

1183
00:52:54,226 --> 00:52:56,346
Speaker 1: Shanahan and Tomlin. I'll say that he's the guy. So

1184
00:52:56,626 --> 00:52:57,866
Speaker 1: what what are we doing?

1185
00:52:58,306 --> 00:52:58,546
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1186
00:52:58,586 --> 00:53:00,866
Speaker 3: No, And I think that to me is, you know,

1187
00:53:00,906 --> 00:53:03,906
Speaker 3: I'm hopeful of this cycle. And look, let's also be honest.

1188
00:53:03,986 --> 00:53:07,786
Speaker 3: He's got an amazing opportunity Sunday night. Ben Johnson right

1189
00:53:07,826 --> 00:53:14,626
Speaker 3: now is fifteen dollar man, and you know, so you know,

1190
00:53:15,066 --> 00:53:16,866
Speaker 3: I am hopeful, and not just that we go win

1191
00:53:16,946 --> 00:53:19,666
Speaker 3: the game, but what a great opportunity for us as

1192
00:53:19,746 --> 00:53:22,426
Speaker 3: a team to go in. But it's certainly also for

1193
00:53:22,426 --> 00:53:25,746
Speaker 3: for Raheem for this defense to go have a shot at,

1194
00:53:25,786 --> 00:53:28,186
Speaker 3: you know, one of the hottest coordinators. And I'm hopeful

1195
00:53:28,226 --> 00:53:31,506
Speaker 3: that that will be, you know, just one case for

1196
00:53:31,626 --> 00:53:34,546
Speaker 3: him that the people can make coming out of Sunday night.

1197
00:53:34,586 --> 00:53:37,546
Speaker 3: And you know, I am hopeful we walk you know,

1198
00:53:37,586 --> 00:53:40,146
Speaker 3: off that field, a Ford field on Sunday that everybody says,

1199
00:53:40,786 --> 00:53:42,466
Speaker 3: Raheem Morris is the guy I got to have as

1200
00:53:42,466 --> 00:53:43,026
Speaker 3: our head coach.

1201
00:53:43,506 --> 00:53:45,026
Speaker 1: I love that. I'm gonna wrap with you soon, but

1202
00:53:45,026 --> 00:53:47,626
Speaker 1: I've got a couple other things for you. I hope

1203
00:53:47,626 --> 00:53:49,506
Speaker 1: that's okay, waits right now, a couple more things. I

1204
00:53:49,586 --> 00:53:53,106
Speaker 1: love this, let's go, Let's go, but more of this

1205
00:53:53,306 --> 00:53:57,466
Speaker 1: being a pitch to Hollywood studios and to a very

1206
00:53:57,546 --> 00:54:01,026
Speaker 1: saturated sports doc community. I mean, I don't there might

1207
00:54:01,026 --> 00:54:02,986
Speaker 1: not be a sports story that hasn't had a documentary

1208
00:54:02,986 --> 00:54:06,946
Speaker 1: made about it in the last five years. Streamers. Hello, uh, Kevin.

1209
00:54:07,146 --> 00:54:09,986
Speaker 1: We have talked about this stage in your career where

1210
00:54:10,826 --> 00:54:16,906
Speaker 1: you you jumped at an entrepreneurial opportunity in the boom

1211
00:54:17,026 --> 00:54:20,146
Speaker 1: of the Internet in your early to mid twenties. Can

1212
00:54:20,186 --> 00:54:23,386
Speaker 1: you explain the story and the pool of talent that

1213
00:54:23,426 --> 00:54:26,266
Speaker 1: you had around you and you guys just being a

1214
00:54:26,306 --> 00:54:28,626
Speaker 1: little early on what feels like what could have been

1215
00:54:28,706 --> 00:54:30,266
Speaker 1: the Facebook of sports.

1216
00:54:30,546 --> 00:54:30,946
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know.

1217
00:54:31,026 --> 00:54:32,746
Speaker 3: So my first job at a college is a company

1218
00:54:32,746 --> 00:54:36,946
Speaker 3: called Broadband Sports, which was I would say today it

1219
00:54:36,946 --> 00:54:42,426
Speaker 3: would be an amalgamation of the Athletic Bleacher Report, SB Nation,

1220
00:54:42,786 --> 00:54:45,586
Speaker 3: Rodeo World, and maybe the Player's Tribune. So we had

1221
00:54:45,586 --> 00:54:48,106
Speaker 3: a bunch of player websites so you could go to

1222
00:54:48,306 --> 00:54:52,626
Speaker 3: you know, Kobe Bryant dot athletes Direct dot com.

1223
00:54:53,266 --> 00:54:53,666
Speaker 4: We did.

1224
00:54:53,706 --> 00:54:56,426
Speaker 3: We built team websites for the Cowboys and the Raiders,

1225
00:54:56,426 --> 00:54:57,986
Speaker 3: which is one of the ways I got my introduction

1226
00:54:58,026 --> 00:54:58,906
Speaker 3: in the NFL.

1227
00:54:59,186 --> 00:54:59,346
Speaker 4: You know.

1228
00:54:59,386 --> 00:55:01,666
Speaker 3: We built homepages for if you went to go look

1229
00:55:01,706 --> 00:55:04,626
Speaker 3: up Los Angeles Rams on AOL. That was all of

1230
00:55:04,906 --> 00:55:06,346
Speaker 3: our work and our content.

1231
00:55:06,626 --> 00:55:08,346
Speaker 1: Do you have a staff that would like that would

1232
00:55:08,346 --> 00:55:10,226
Speaker 1: write the articles or it was you guys.

1233
00:55:10,266 --> 00:55:11,986
Speaker 3: We did a little bit and we outsourced and we

1234
00:55:12,266 --> 00:55:14,226
Speaker 3: you know ap B like I remember, we tried to

1235
00:55:14,266 --> 00:55:17,626
Speaker 3: hire Adam Schefter from the Denver Post Intercoming, Oh yeah,

1236
00:55:17,706 --> 00:55:20,546
Speaker 3: from you know, from the offices, and you know, we

1237
00:55:20,546 --> 00:55:22,746
Speaker 3: we wound up doing all these crazy things.

1238
00:55:22,826 --> 00:55:24,266
Speaker 1: And so this was based out of light. It was

1239
00:55:24,266 --> 00:55:26,706
Speaker 1: an internet company and it would make individual sites. But

1240
00:55:26,746 --> 00:55:28,506
Speaker 1: were you guys licensed by the NFL or it was

1241
00:55:28,506 --> 00:55:28,866
Speaker 1: all just.

1242
00:55:28,906 --> 00:55:30,866
Speaker 3: So we were getting licensed by the NFL and by

1243
00:55:30,866 --> 00:55:33,466
Speaker 3: the Players Association. And you know, this is the time

1244
00:55:33,506 --> 00:55:35,586
Speaker 3: when when we did the Cowboys, we paid them for

1245
00:55:35,626 --> 00:55:37,586
Speaker 3: the right to do their website with this idea that

1246
00:55:38,106 --> 00:55:40,986
Speaker 3: you know, we would go sell you know, merchandise and

1247
00:55:41,306 --> 00:55:43,586
Speaker 3: ads and content around it. And you know, this is

1248
00:55:43,626 --> 00:55:45,506
Speaker 3: the height of the dot com boom. So I was

1249
00:55:45,586 --> 00:55:49,146
Speaker 3: the thirtieth employee in what years, nineteen ninety nine.

1250
00:55:49,546 --> 00:55:52,066
Speaker 1: I love this dude, all right, And you know.

1251
00:55:52,746 --> 00:55:54,746
Speaker 3: Three months, you know, four months later, we're in brand

1252
00:55:54,786 --> 00:55:57,746
Speaker 3: new offices in Santa Monica, were three hundred employees, were

1253
00:55:57,746 --> 00:56:01,866
Speaker 3: the number two IPO on Wall Street behind Krispy Kreme.

1254
00:56:02,706 --> 00:56:05,226
Speaker 3: And I think I turned down a job and you

1255
00:56:05,226 --> 00:56:07,946
Speaker 3: and I have to talk at Fox Sports and they

1256
00:56:07,946 --> 00:56:10,746
Speaker 3: gave me an extra like fifty thousand shares, and I'm thinking,

1257
00:56:10,786 --> 00:56:11,986
Speaker 3: this is the greatest thing on earth.

1258
00:56:12,146 --> 00:56:13,706
Speaker 1: Who's at this crew in broadband?

1259
00:56:13,946 --> 00:56:16,706
Speaker 3: No so, and it wound up being you know, Mark Silverman,

1260
00:56:16,746 --> 00:56:19,026
Speaker 3: who now helps run Fox went to the Big ten network.

1261
00:56:19,186 --> 00:56:22,306
Speaker 3: Was it was one of my bosses, John Collins, who

1262
00:56:22,346 --> 00:56:23,946
Speaker 3: went on to the NFL and now I think owns

1263
00:56:23,986 --> 00:56:27,986
Speaker 3: the Islanders, you know was one. You know, you can

1264
00:56:28,066 --> 00:56:31,786
Speaker 3: kind of go through the list of talent that have

1265
00:56:31,906 --> 00:56:36,066
Speaker 3: shown up in all kinds of crazy places. I left

1266
00:56:36,066 --> 00:56:38,026
Speaker 3: three months later, there are three hundred people. Nine months

1267
00:56:38,066 --> 00:56:39,026
Speaker 3: later they were out of business.

1268
00:56:39,066 --> 00:56:40,906
Speaker 1: So tell me how it goes down, because everyone knows

1269
00:56:40,946 --> 00:56:42,866
Speaker 1: pets dot com. But like, literally, how does it bust?

1270
00:56:43,746 --> 00:56:45,746
Speaker 3: You know? Well, I remember, so we get the AOL

1271
00:56:45,826 --> 00:56:48,586
Speaker 3: deal and they pull us into this. We had this big,

1272
00:56:48,626 --> 00:56:51,106
Speaker 3: fancy room called the Athletes Lounge that they had built

1273
00:56:51,146 --> 00:56:53,386
Speaker 3: that no athletes ever went into. But it was a

1274
00:56:53,426 --> 00:56:59,186
Speaker 3: really cool spacetic chairs, the table, and they do this

1275
00:56:59,266 --> 00:57:00,586
Speaker 3: mean They're like, hey, and I had kind of worked

1276
00:57:00,586 --> 00:57:02,626
Speaker 3: on this secret project on teen pages for a while

1277
00:57:02,626 --> 00:57:04,386
Speaker 3: and they said, hey, AOL is going to take our content.

1278
00:57:04,466 --> 00:57:06,866
Speaker 3: I remember walking out next to some guy and I'm like,

1279
00:57:06,906 --> 00:57:08,866
Speaker 3: I'm twenty two. I was a history major. I'm like,

1280
00:57:08,866 --> 00:57:10,906
Speaker 3: I don't know anything about business, Like how much is

1281
00:57:10,946 --> 00:57:13,666
Speaker 3: AOL paying us? Like, no, we're paying them seventeen million

1282
00:57:13,666 --> 00:57:15,706
Speaker 3: a year for the right to do this, and go

1283
00:57:15,786 --> 00:57:18,386
Speaker 3: why we're doing all the work doesn't make sense. That

1284
00:57:18,506 --> 00:57:21,146
Speaker 3: was my first hint that you know, hey, this may

1285
00:57:21,186 --> 00:57:23,626
Speaker 3: not be you know, the sound is financial model.

1286
00:57:23,746 --> 00:57:26,026
Speaker 4: So you know, you know, we're right up there.

1287
00:57:25,906 --> 00:57:28,586
Speaker 3: With pets dot Com and so you know, my my

1288
00:57:28,666 --> 00:57:31,506
Speaker 3: one hundred thousand shares that I have, you know are

1289
00:57:31,626 --> 00:57:34,786
Speaker 3: worth as much of you know as those bobbleheads behind you.

1290
00:57:36,066 --> 00:57:38,746
Speaker 1: All Right, So you're twenty two and then people don't

1291
00:57:38,786 --> 00:57:41,106
Speaker 1: know that in between that and your time in the NFL,

1292
00:57:41,146 --> 00:57:44,546
Speaker 1: there was a amazing time in the Arena Football League.

1293
00:57:44,866 --> 00:57:45,386
Speaker 4: Yeah, I went.

1294
00:57:45,706 --> 00:57:48,786
Speaker 3: So I wound up leaving Broadband Sports to go to

1295
00:57:48,786 --> 00:57:50,746
Speaker 3: the Los Angeles Avenders who played the Staples Center. There

1296
00:57:50,746 --> 00:57:53,666
Speaker 3: an expansion franchise and in case C. Wasserman, who people

1297
00:57:53,706 --> 00:57:57,066
Speaker 3: know now who owns Wasserman Media and Sports Group, and

1298
00:57:57,066 --> 00:57:57,986
Speaker 3: it's done greaton.

1299
00:57:57,706 --> 00:57:59,986
Speaker 4: Is you know, CEO of LA twenty eight and the Olympics.

1300
00:58:00,946 --> 00:58:03,586
Speaker 3: He started an expansion team in the Arena League with

1301
00:58:03,666 --> 00:58:07,266
Speaker 3: this idea maybe he could ultimately own the NFL LA team.

1302
00:58:07,346 --> 00:58:08,146
Speaker 4: Just experience and.

1303
00:58:08,106 --> 00:58:10,306
Speaker 3: So get recruited to go over there. They're put in

1304
00:58:10,306 --> 00:58:13,746
Speaker 3: a CBA. We kind of hit it off and go

1305
00:58:13,866 --> 00:58:15,346
Speaker 3: join the Arena League for four years.

1306
00:58:15,546 --> 00:58:16,986
Speaker 1: So is the job what was the job with the

1307
00:58:16,986 --> 00:58:21,426
Speaker 1: Arena League? Basically GM kind of Yeah, twenty three years old.

1308
00:58:21,506 --> 00:58:22,106
Speaker 4: Twenty three.

1309
00:58:22,306 --> 00:58:24,786
Speaker 3: And you know what was so cool about the Arena

1310
00:58:24,866 --> 00:58:27,866
Speaker 3: League is it's the same job as today, just nobody

1311
00:58:27,906 --> 00:58:30,946
Speaker 3: knew who we were, you know, far less zeros. You know,

1312
00:58:30,986 --> 00:58:33,186
Speaker 3: you'd go to renegotiate a player contract and you had

1313
00:58:33,186 --> 00:58:35,386
Speaker 3: to go to their house and you're trying to get

1314
00:58:35,426 --> 00:58:38,666
Speaker 3: them to go from twenty five thousand to twenty eight,

1315
00:58:39,306 --> 00:58:42,586
Speaker 3: you know. And you know, I remember this one story

1316
00:58:42,626 --> 00:58:45,546
Speaker 3: we go to We had a player who played for

1317
00:58:45,626 --> 00:58:48,266
Speaker 3: US who got an offer from Canada and we were

1318
00:58:48,266 --> 00:58:50,426
Speaker 3: paying him twenty six thousand. He got an offer from

1319
00:58:50,466 --> 00:58:52,946
Speaker 3: Canada for thirty thousand, and he's like, well, you got

1320
00:58:52,986 --> 00:58:53,266
Speaker 3: a match.

1321
00:58:53,306 --> 00:58:54,986
Speaker 4: I'm like, well, was it an American or Canadian?

1322
00:58:55,226 --> 00:58:56,386
Speaker 1: I need to know the currency?

1323
00:58:56,666 --> 00:58:58,146
Speaker 3: And he goes, I don't know, and he goes calls

1324
00:58:58,186 --> 00:59:00,066
Speaker 3: back and goes Canadian. I go, well, that's less money

1325
00:59:00,106 --> 00:59:02,466
Speaker 3: than we're offering you. And he goes, well, you still

1326
00:59:02,466 --> 00:59:05,186
Speaker 3: got to match. You still got to get them to thirty.

1327
00:59:07,146 --> 00:59:08,946
Speaker 3: But just such a you know, we got that team

1328
00:59:08,986 --> 00:59:10,546
Speaker 3: off the ground. We went to the playoffs a number

1329
00:59:10,586 --> 00:59:14,066
Speaker 3: of years. Like such a fun experience to to learn

1330
00:59:14,146 --> 00:59:17,186
Speaker 3: from the players and the coaches names, all of them

1331
00:59:17,186 --> 00:59:19,946
Speaker 3: still close with you know a lot of them. We

1332
00:59:19,986 --> 00:59:22,226
Speaker 3: had Greg Hopkins, who was our big star, who is

1333
00:59:22,546 --> 00:59:26,386
Speaker 3: from Indiana Firebirds who came to LA who actually they

1334
00:59:26,506 --> 00:59:29,906
Speaker 3: they wanted to be the Bachelor after the first season

1335
00:59:29,946 --> 00:59:34,186
Speaker 3: when they were uh so they had Jeremy Bloom is

1336
00:59:34,186 --> 00:59:35,306
Speaker 3: that right or not him?

1337
00:59:36,666 --> 00:59:38,066
Speaker 4: Whoever? The Colorado guy was?

1338
00:59:38,146 --> 00:59:40,026
Speaker 1: Who Jeremy was?

1339
00:59:40,986 --> 00:59:44,066
Speaker 3: You know it was Ryan and Trista yes, Yan so

1340
00:59:44,066 --> 00:59:46,466
Speaker 3: so the second one, they're like, great, another football player

1341
00:59:46,546 --> 00:59:49,586
Speaker 3: Arena football in l A. And uh they couldn't convince

1342
00:59:49,626 --> 00:59:51,546
Speaker 3: Greg to do it. We had Chris Jackson who's now

1343
00:59:51,546 --> 00:59:54,826
Speaker 3: the receivers coach at Texas. Steve Sarkis and played in

1344
00:59:54,826 --> 00:59:56,386
Speaker 3: the NFL for a number of years too, is our

1345
00:59:56,386 --> 01:00:01,226
Speaker 3: best receiver. Tony Graziani was our quarterback. But when I

1346
01:00:01,306 --> 01:00:04,986
Speaker 3: when I first got there, Todd Marinovitch really was the quarterback.

1347
01:00:05,066 --> 01:00:07,546
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what kind of version Todd Marinovich for you

1348
01:00:07,586 --> 01:00:08,506
Speaker 1: with what you're dealing with?

1349
01:00:08,946 --> 01:00:10,386
Speaker 4: He he was talented.

1350
01:00:10,706 --> 01:00:12,826
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know you could see all of it. But

1351
01:00:12,866 --> 01:00:17,626
Speaker 3: then you know, I mean, yes, it ended poorly. Uh

1352
01:00:17,706 --> 01:00:21,226
Speaker 3: but just like you're like Todd Marinovitch, I mean was

1353
01:00:22,146 --> 01:00:24,306
Speaker 3: hanging around, was he not so much?

1354
01:00:24,386 --> 01:00:25,826
Speaker 4: Not so much at that point, you know.

1355
01:00:25,906 --> 01:00:27,866
Speaker 3: But uh, and that was right at the start of

1356
01:00:27,906 --> 01:00:31,066
Speaker 3: I think Todd's artists phase. But you know, and then

1357
01:00:31,226 --> 01:00:34,306
Speaker 3: Tony Graziani became our starting quarterback for a number of

1358
01:00:34,426 --> 01:00:36,706
Speaker 3: years and became one of the best quarterbacks in the

1359
01:00:36,746 --> 01:00:37,626
Speaker 3: Arena Football League.

1360
01:00:37,666 --> 01:00:39,506
Speaker 1: I feel like in LA there's like cult things, like

1361
01:00:39,546 --> 01:00:42,106
Speaker 1: everyone likes to go see, Like you know, in Silver

1362
01:00:42,226 --> 01:00:44,706
Speaker 1: Lake there's a band or there's a comedy troupe that

1363
01:00:44,826 --> 01:00:46,546
Speaker 1: you know, you have to go to Largo to see.

1364
01:00:46,706 --> 01:00:48,346
Speaker 1: Was this like kind of like Colt cool to like

1365
01:00:48,346 --> 01:00:49,426
Speaker 1: go to the area.

1366
01:00:50,026 --> 01:00:52,386
Speaker 3: It was not Colt cool. We played at Staples Center,

1367
01:00:52,506 --> 01:00:55,906
Speaker 3: all right, you know, and you know it was It

1368
01:00:56,026 --> 01:00:58,186
Speaker 3: was fun, but it was not Colt cool. But one

1369
01:00:58,186 --> 01:01:00,346
Speaker 3: of the cool things about the job was you put

1370
01:01:00,386 --> 01:01:02,146
Speaker 3: T shirts on seats. I got to hire a head

1371
01:01:02,146 --> 01:01:05,466
Speaker 3: coach shit twenty four at Hodgkiss, who's now a really

1372
01:01:05,506 --> 01:01:06,946
Speaker 3: good high school FOOTB coach in.

1373
01:01:06,946 --> 01:01:08,106
Speaker 4: The South Bay.

1374
01:01:08,226 --> 01:01:11,066
Speaker 3: I always say, before there was Sean McVay ed Hodgkiss,

1375
01:01:11,106 --> 01:01:13,986
Speaker 3: he was four years old. He was probably in his

1376
01:01:14,066 --> 01:01:18,346
Speaker 3: late twenties, but was the Sean McVay of the Arena League.

1377
01:01:18,946 --> 01:01:21,866
Speaker 3: Before there was Sean McVay. I love this, and he

1378
01:01:21,866 --> 01:01:24,146
Speaker 3: he came and turned around our franchise, a great guy

1379
01:01:24,226 --> 01:01:26,186
Speaker 3: named Brent Winner, who went on to become the head

1380
01:01:26,226 --> 01:01:30,306
Speaker 3: coach of the Boise Burn. Sure, you know, we started

1381
01:01:30,306 --> 01:01:33,906
Speaker 3: two Arena minor league arena football teams in Bakersfield and Fresno.

1382
01:01:34,346 --> 01:01:36,226
Speaker 3: I mean, just you kind of go through all of it,

1383
01:01:36,306 --> 01:01:39,626
Speaker 3: but it was it was a joy. But you got

1384
01:01:39,626 --> 01:01:41,706
Speaker 3: to I mean I went to the airport and booked,

1385
01:01:42,026 --> 01:01:45,586
Speaker 3: you know, got plane tickets and boarded planes, did the buses,

1386
01:01:45,626 --> 01:01:49,026
Speaker 3: picked up chipope, play for launch, did did the dry cleaning,

1387
01:01:49,506 --> 01:01:51,426
Speaker 3: you know, but you also got to do the cool stuff,

1388
01:01:51,466 --> 01:01:52,306
Speaker 3: negotiate contract.

1389
01:01:52,426 --> 01:01:54,986
Speaker 1: You learn very facett that everyone who does, you know,

1390
01:01:54,986 --> 01:01:56,946
Speaker 1: play by play for a minor league team says, yeah,

1391
01:01:56,946 --> 01:01:58,506
Speaker 1: you do literally everything, and then you can go do

1392
01:01:58,546 --> 01:02:00,986
Speaker 1: anything because you've done it. You've done every single part

1393
01:02:00,986 --> 01:02:01,786
Speaker 1: of the organization.

1394
01:02:02,466 --> 01:02:04,386
Speaker 3: I always tell anybody break into sports, go to the

1395
01:02:04,386 --> 01:02:06,946
Speaker 3: minor leagues because you'll get to do everything and you'll

1396
01:02:07,026 --> 01:02:09,186
Speaker 3: learn there's almost not a thing that happens at the

1397
01:02:09,186 --> 01:02:12,146
Speaker 3: Los Angeles Rams right now that I didn't do in

1398
01:02:12,186 --> 01:02:15,386
Speaker 3: my time between the Arena League or Tampa or now

1399
01:02:15,426 --> 01:02:17,346
Speaker 3: at the Rams. So I would say it's the best

1400
01:02:17,386 --> 01:02:20,106
Speaker 3: training ground because rather than going to a big brand

1401
01:02:20,106 --> 01:02:22,266
Speaker 3: where you talk about what someone else did that you

1402
01:02:22,826 --> 01:02:25,466
Speaker 3: that you helped do a small part of you actually

1403
01:02:25,506 --> 01:02:28,026
Speaker 3: got to do the thing, and you can talk about

1404
01:02:28,026 --> 01:02:29,146
Speaker 3: your experience.

1405
01:02:29,346 --> 01:02:31,506
Speaker 1: Real quick, rapid fire. We'll do just quick questions and

1406
01:02:31,546 --> 01:02:34,026
Speaker 1: then we'll get you out it here. The first one here,

1407
01:02:34,426 --> 01:02:37,386
Speaker 1: super Bowl Ride, your most fondest memory, the thing that

1408
01:02:37,466 --> 01:02:38,586
Speaker 1: if you wake up in the middle of the night

1409
01:02:38,626 --> 01:02:39,746
Speaker 1: and you just smile, what was it?

1410
01:02:39,986 --> 01:02:42,386
Speaker 4: Which one? The one we won? The one you won?

1411
01:02:42,906 --> 01:02:44,946
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're hosting a Lombardi.

1412
01:02:45,266 --> 01:02:46,266
Speaker 4: Super Bowl Ride.

1413
01:02:48,466 --> 01:02:52,586
Speaker 3: Cooper cups catch in Tampa against in Tampa because we're

1414
01:02:52,586 --> 01:02:57,226
Speaker 3: ahead twenty seven three, right, I mean almost you know

1415
01:02:57,266 --> 01:03:00,026
Speaker 3: twenty And I get all these texts. They show the

1416
01:03:00,226 --> 01:03:04,306
Speaker 3: owner suite at halftime and I look nervous, and everybody's like,

1417
01:03:04,346 --> 01:03:06,706
Speaker 3: you're up twenty three, Like you happy? Look that and

1418
01:03:06,746 --> 01:03:09,986
Speaker 3: I'm like, we're playing Tom Brady ye right, like there

1419
01:03:10,066 --> 01:03:12,306
Speaker 3: is no world in which you're ever gonna feel good.

1420
01:03:12,706 --> 01:03:14,826
Speaker 3: We get twenty seven to three and you're like, okay,

1421
01:03:14,906 --> 01:03:17,226
Speaker 3: like we got this, and then they just you know,

1422
01:03:17,266 --> 01:03:20,746
Speaker 3: we Cooper Cup fumbles can't like that never happens. He's winning,

1423
01:03:21,866 --> 01:03:24,786
Speaker 3: and you blow the whole thing and they score and

1424
01:03:24,786 --> 01:03:26,786
Speaker 3: it's twenty seven. All in the places rock and you're like,

1425
01:03:26,906 --> 01:03:31,026
Speaker 3: oh my god, and Matthew Stafford and Cooper Cup connect

1426
01:03:31,066 --> 01:03:34,866
Speaker 3: on a bomb and you know, I think you go

1427
01:03:34,946 --> 01:03:37,106
Speaker 3: to enough games in your life where it sid you

1428
01:03:37,106 --> 01:03:39,146
Speaker 3: can always tell from the arc of a past whether

1429
01:03:39,186 --> 01:03:42,106
Speaker 3: it's gonna be caught, Like you can do the geometry

1430
01:03:42,106 --> 01:03:44,426
Speaker 3: in your hand and you're like, oh my god, like,

1431
01:03:44,706 --> 01:03:47,386
Speaker 3: oh my god. You know, we get it, you know,

1432
01:03:47,426 --> 01:03:47,906
Speaker 3: we get it.

1433
01:03:48,146 --> 01:03:49,986
Speaker 4: You know we we throw the ball down.

1434
01:03:50,066 --> 01:03:52,386
Speaker 3: You're like, we're actually gonna go win this game in regulation,

1435
01:03:52,426 --> 01:03:55,546
Speaker 3: which you thought had no prayer. You kick the field

1436
01:03:55,546 --> 01:03:57,586
Speaker 3: goal and you get in the locker room and just crazy.

1437
01:03:57,626 --> 01:03:59,546
Speaker 3: And one of the cool things about you know, so

1438
01:03:59,626 --> 01:04:02,386
Speaker 3: that play and then Sofi Stadium and knowing because we

1439
01:04:02,426 --> 01:04:04,306
Speaker 3: already knew the Niners and one we were coming back

1440
01:04:04,346 --> 01:04:07,066
Speaker 3: to the new championship game. You may know the Sofi

1441
01:04:07,066 --> 01:04:09,546
Speaker 3: Stadium is basically an led E screen, So on the

1442
01:04:09,586 --> 01:04:12,946
Speaker 3: plane home, you fly right over Sofi Stadium. We had

1443
01:04:13,066 --> 01:04:15,866
Speaker 3: on the roof we ran the loop of the Stafford

1444
01:04:15,906 --> 01:04:19,386
Speaker 3: to Cup pass for our players to see as they

1445
01:04:19,466 --> 01:04:22,986
Speaker 3: flew in. You know, back to LA for you know,

1446
01:04:23,066 --> 01:04:25,106
Speaker 3: kind of the NFC Championship. I know, I remember that,

1447
01:04:25,386 --> 01:04:29,106
Speaker 3: you know, I remember the tip pass that wanted against

1448
01:04:29,306 --> 01:04:32,826
Speaker 3: you know, the the Niners, all all of that. But

1449
01:04:32,866 --> 01:04:35,786
Speaker 3: to to win an NFC Championship against your you know,

1450
01:04:35,946 --> 01:04:38,106
Speaker 3: most bitter rival, and to win a Super Bowl in

1451
01:04:38,146 --> 01:04:40,506
Speaker 3: your own building, it's all it's all there, but the

1452
01:04:40,506 --> 01:04:41,706
Speaker 3: Cooper Cup pass.

1453
01:04:41,706 --> 01:04:43,466
Speaker 4: For sure, you're in LA.

1454
01:04:43,786 --> 01:04:47,026
Speaker 1: A lot of celebrity fans come to these games, maybe

1455
01:04:47,026 --> 01:04:50,586
Speaker 1: the most surprising or you know, best celebrity story as

1456
01:04:50,706 --> 01:04:52,586
Speaker 1: coming to so far, whether it be super Bowl week

1457
01:04:52,666 --> 01:04:54,746
Speaker 1: or whether it be any regular season game that you've

1458
01:04:54,746 --> 01:04:56,306
Speaker 1: had a chance to interact with that you're just like,

1459
01:04:56,426 --> 01:04:57,546
Speaker 1: what is going on here?

1460
01:04:58,386 --> 01:05:01,826
Speaker 3: You know, super Bowl was crazy and you know that

1461
01:05:01,946 --> 01:05:03,306
Speaker 3: regard and you kind of get used to.

1462
01:05:04,266 --> 01:05:05,186
Speaker 4: I would take a couple weeks.

1463
01:05:05,026 --> 01:05:07,826
Speaker 3: Ago, we had show hey o Tani for his first game,

1464
01:05:07,906 --> 01:05:10,666
Speaker 3: and like Thursday night game and you bring him in

1465
01:05:10,706 --> 01:05:12,626
Speaker 3: the locker room and he's hanging with the players, and

1466
01:05:13,386 --> 01:05:15,906
Speaker 3: you know just how wide eyed he was. And this

1467
01:05:15,946 --> 01:05:18,986
Speaker 3: guy is probably the greatest athlete on the planet right now.

1468
01:05:19,626 --> 01:05:22,946
Speaker 3: I mean, it'd be like if Patrick Mahomes and Micah

1469
01:05:22,986 --> 01:05:26,546
Speaker 3: Parsons were the same player, like, I mean, you try

1470
01:05:26,546 --> 01:05:29,746
Speaker 3: to think about that, you know, and you know, so

1471
01:05:29,826 --> 01:05:32,826
Speaker 3: then you you get to, you know, all of the

1472
01:05:32,946 --> 01:05:35,826
Speaker 3: entertainers and the fun and then you know, you also

1473
01:05:35,906 --> 01:05:38,546
Speaker 3: get to, you know, the silly things from our generation

1474
01:05:38,826 --> 01:05:41,506
Speaker 3: when you know, the Sarah Michelle Gellers show up and

1475
01:05:41,546 --> 01:05:44,866
Speaker 3: you're like, you know, you're like, yeah, you're like teenage.

1476
01:05:44,946 --> 01:05:46,826
Speaker 4: Kevin's fired up right now, you know.

1477
01:05:47,186 --> 01:05:50,906
Speaker 1: You know, it's like when when Debbie Gibson tweeted at me, yes.

1478
01:05:51,186 --> 01:05:53,146
Speaker 4: You know, but you know what's so funny. I mean

1479
01:05:53,186 --> 01:05:54,066
Speaker 4: you talk about memories.

1480
01:05:54,106 --> 01:05:56,546
Speaker 3: I remember we had Warren g play halftime of a

1481
01:05:56,746 --> 01:06:02,906
Speaker 3: wildcard game against Arizona Stadium's Rocket. This is before the

1482
01:06:02,986 --> 01:06:05,506
Speaker 3: NFL is done. They're crazy halftime show, which was awesome.

1483
01:06:05,586 --> 01:06:08,786
Speaker 3: But you know, you just LA is a special place

1484
01:06:08,786 --> 01:06:11,506
Speaker 3: when you get it rolling, you know, but she's still

1485
01:06:11,946 --> 01:06:16,266
Speaker 3: magic Johnson, Kareem, you know, the athletes still always you know,

1486
01:06:16,466 --> 01:06:18,146
Speaker 3: Lebron they always do well in LA.

1487
01:06:18,226 --> 01:06:22,906
Speaker 1: Two all right, last one. And it's too pronged. Underappreciated

1488
01:06:22,946 --> 01:06:28,546
Speaker 1: player on the Los Angeles Rams and then underappreciated person

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01:06:29,106 --> 01:06:31,546
Speaker 1: in our NFL world that you think is there's some

1490
01:06:31,586 --> 01:06:32,346
Speaker 1: shout out on this.

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Speaker 3: Podcast underappreciated player in the Los Angeles Rams. I'm going

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01:06:37,946 --> 01:06:41,186
Speaker 3: to go with two each side of the ball. Rob Havenstein,

1493
01:06:42,146 --> 01:06:44,186
Speaker 3: you know, our right tackle, who has been one of

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01:06:44,226 --> 01:06:47,626
Speaker 3: the foundational pieces and he's one of the only guys

1495
01:06:47,626 --> 01:06:50,226
Speaker 3: to have started a Super Bowl with both Jared and

1496
01:06:50,306 --> 01:06:52,946
Speaker 3: Matthew like you just since we drafted him in twenty fifteen.

1497
01:06:53,426 --> 01:06:54,986
Speaker 3: You know the rock and we're so young on the

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01:06:54,986 --> 01:06:58,906
Speaker 3: offensive line. You got Alaric Jackson, undrafted, third year Steve Avila,

1499
01:06:59,066 --> 01:07:02,626
Speaker 3: first year Coleman Shelton's third or fourth year, Kevin Dotson's

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01:07:02,626 --> 01:07:03,226
Speaker 3: in his fourth year.

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01:07:03,226 --> 01:07:05,826
Speaker 4: I mean, Rob Havenstein's like glue young.

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01:07:05,866 --> 01:07:07,386
Speaker 3: I mean, I think we're the second You had that

1503
01:07:07,426 --> 01:07:10,106
Speaker 3: great stat about the Packers on Good Morning Football. I

1504
01:07:10,106 --> 01:07:12,146
Speaker 3: think we're the second or third youngest team in football.

1505
01:07:12,586 --> 01:07:14,826
Speaker 3: You know, so Rob Hevenstein is kind of that glue

1506
01:07:14,826 --> 01:07:17,066
Speaker 3: of the offense, you know, certainly the offense line. And

1507
01:07:17,066 --> 01:07:21,386
Speaker 3: then I say on the Ernest Jones, third year linebacker, broke.

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01:07:21,226 --> 01:07:22,386
Speaker 1: This great super Bowl.

1509
01:07:22,706 --> 01:07:24,786
Speaker 3: That great in the Super Bowl, you know when you

1510
01:07:24,786 --> 01:07:27,026
Speaker 3: talk about someone who handles that. We signed Bobby Wagner,

1511
01:07:27,026 --> 01:07:29,346
Speaker 3: which kind of lessened his role last year. But I

1512
01:07:29,346 --> 01:07:31,426
Speaker 3: think in terms of and this is a great life lesson.

1513
01:07:31,466 --> 01:07:33,146
Speaker 3: I don't want to say for all millennials and gen

1514
01:07:33,266 --> 01:07:37,466
Speaker 3: Z because that's you know, painting with wide brushes. You know,

1515
01:07:37,546 --> 01:07:39,146
Speaker 3: has a sack and a tip pass in the Super

1516
01:07:39,186 --> 01:07:41,466
Speaker 3: Bowl knocks away a four down ball. We bring in

1517
01:07:41,466 --> 01:07:44,306
Speaker 3: Bobby Wagner who takes a back seat, but he learns

1518
01:07:44,346 --> 01:07:46,626
Speaker 3: so much from Bobby Wagner as a mentor, as a leader,

1519
01:07:46,906 --> 01:07:49,626
Speaker 3: and you see that pain dividends that this year. And

1520
01:07:49,666 --> 01:07:52,746
Speaker 3: I think for all of us who get jobs young, Hey,

1521
01:07:53,026 --> 01:07:55,066
Speaker 3: I'm the man. I can do this, like, it's great

1522
01:07:55,066 --> 01:07:57,266
Speaker 3: to have mentors being able to take a step back,

1523
01:07:57,346 --> 01:08:00,026
Speaker 3: take a lesser role, watch someone. I mean you want

1524
01:08:00,026 --> 01:08:01,506
Speaker 3: to You're not going to find a better human being

1525
01:08:01,546 --> 01:08:03,426
Speaker 3: on this earth than Bobby Wagner. I could answer your

1526
01:08:03,466 --> 01:08:06,666
Speaker 3: second question, you know, with with a Bobby you know

1527
01:08:06,746 --> 01:08:12,226
Speaker 3: Wagner shout out. But you know to me, you know,

1528
01:08:12,826 --> 01:08:15,466
Speaker 3: Ernest Jones has been you know, the heartbeat of this

1529
01:08:15,586 --> 01:08:19,026
Speaker 3: defense is our signal caller and the lifeblood and just

1530
01:08:19,026 --> 01:08:21,106
Speaker 3: someone that you love watching grow each day in his

1531
01:08:21,146 --> 01:08:21,586
Speaker 3: third year.

1532
01:08:22,066 --> 01:08:23,826
Speaker 1: I love it all right now in our world in

1533
01:08:23,866 --> 01:08:25,866
Speaker 1: the NFL, could be another player, could be another coach,

1534
01:08:25,866 --> 01:08:27,786
Speaker 1: could be a league employee, could be an employee at

1535
01:08:27,786 --> 01:08:30,746
Speaker 1: the RAMS, someone that maybe doesn't get enough love and

1536
01:08:30,786 --> 01:08:32,706
Speaker 1: you say, hey, this guy is really good or this

1537
01:08:32,786 --> 01:08:34,146
Speaker 1: gal is really good at what they do.

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01:08:35,266 --> 01:08:39,866
Speaker 3: Look, I'm not going to say anybody at the RAMS

1539
01:08:39,866 --> 01:08:41,306
Speaker 3: because I'd have to go three hundred deep.

1540
01:08:41,666 --> 01:08:44,506
Speaker 4: You know there. You know I love all my children equally,

1541
01:08:45,746 --> 01:08:46,306
Speaker 4: and you know.

1542
01:08:46,226 --> 01:08:48,866
Speaker 3: So I love all our employees equally. I'm going to

1543
01:08:48,946 --> 01:08:50,506
Speaker 3: go off the raid our NFL league office.

1544
01:08:50,626 --> 01:08:51,186
Speaker 4: Dave Gardy.

1545
01:08:51,586 --> 01:08:52,306
Speaker 1: Talk about Guardy.

1546
01:08:52,946 --> 01:08:55,546
Speaker 3: You know, one of the bedrock has been there forever.

1547
01:08:56,066 --> 01:08:58,186
Speaker 3: You know, someone who knows the rule book inside out.

1548
01:08:58,226 --> 01:09:00,546
Speaker 3: When you know, when you're angry and pissed off on

1549
01:09:00,586 --> 01:09:03,906
Speaker 3: a Monday and you know you want to complain about

1550
01:09:03,906 --> 01:09:07,506
Speaker 3: it officiating or something that the league did, Dave gets

1551
01:09:07,506 --> 01:09:09,946
Speaker 3: the call from all of us and he handles it

1552
01:09:09,986 --> 01:09:12,826
Speaker 3: with such grace, right, I mean, I can't think of

1553
01:09:12,866 --> 01:09:18,026
Speaker 3: someone who's MFT more on a weekly basis then Dave Guardy,

1554
01:09:18,146 --> 01:09:20,746
Speaker 3: and he just he handles it so well. He represents

1555
01:09:20,786 --> 01:09:24,226
Speaker 3: everything that's great about the NFL. And you've had Mike

1556
01:09:24,306 --> 01:09:27,466
Speaker 3: North on all the time. I mean, the choice words

1557
01:09:27,466 --> 01:09:30,626
Speaker 3: I gave Mike North Sunday from the locker room in

1558
01:09:30,666 --> 01:09:34,066
Speaker 3: San Francisco when they were debating Saturday night or Sunday

1559
01:09:34,146 --> 01:09:38,026
Speaker 3: night for our game. You know, we we We've said,

1560
01:09:38,146 --> 01:09:39,506
Speaker 3: you know, I did a couple of times on this

1561
01:09:39,546 --> 01:09:44,506
Speaker 3: podcast that's nowhere near whether or actually when we got

1562
01:09:44,546 --> 01:09:46,466
Speaker 3: our schedule on May and I'm yelling at Mike North,

1563
01:09:47,186 --> 01:09:49,546
Speaker 3: Dave Guardy gets on a weekly basis from all thirty

1564
01:09:49,586 --> 01:09:51,666
Speaker 3: two of us. You know, he's the person who shows

1565
01:09:51,746 --> 01:09:54,906
Speaker 3: up at game operations. He leads the competition committee, you

1566
01:09:54,946 --> 01:09:58,066
Speaker 3: know meetings. He works closely with Troy Vincent. Just one

1567
01:09:58,106 --> 01:10:00,626
Speaker 3: of those good guys in the NFL who never gets

1568
01:10:01,066 --> 01:10:02,986
Speaker 3: gets any recognition. And you and I talk about this

1569
01:10:03,026 --> 01:10:05,466
Speaker 3: all the time. You know, one of the things that

1570
01:10:05,506 --> 01:10:08,426
Speaker 3: I disliked the most about the NFL is that you know,

1571
01:10:08,666 --> 01:10:11,186
Speaker 3: one man's downfalls another man's opportunity. And I think that

1572
01:10:11,306 --> 01:10:14,706
Speaker 3: makes us you know a lot caddye And you know,

1573
01:10:14,826 --> 01:10:16,866
Speaker 3: always looking, you know what team who's getting fired?

1574
01:10:16,906 --> 01:10:18,226
Speaker 4: And does that mean there's an opportunity?

1575
01:10:18,226 --> 01:10:20,066
Speaker 1: Have you always say? Are they can in their coach? Okay?

1576
01:10:20,106 --> 01:10:20,506
Speaker 1: Well if so?

1577
01:10:20,986 --> 01:10:23,626
Speaker 3: You know, we need to be better cheerleaders of each other,

1578
01:10:23,786 --> 01:10:26,386
Speaker 3: you know, at all thirty two franchises and you know,

1579
01:10:26,466 --> 01:10:28,866
Speaker 3: the league office and when when I say something like that,

1580
01:10:29,186 --> 01:10:31,706
Speaker 3: like they you know, there's so many good people on

1581
01:10:31,746 --> 01:10:34,226
Speaker 3: other teams who deserve shout outs, but Dave Guardy is

1582
01:10:34,266 --> 01:10:35,546
Speaker 3: the first one that comes to mind for me.

1583
01:10:35,826 --> 01:10:37,546
Speaker 1: I love that. Let's wrap with this. I always do

1584
01:10:37,586 --> 01:10:41,066
Speaker 1: this on the podcast. You have an elevator ride at

1585
01:10:41,066 --> 01:10:43,666
Speaker 1: the Combine or the Senior Bowl, or you name it,

1586
01:10:43,706 --> 01:10:47,786
Speaker 1: the league meetings in West Palm or Arizona, and a

1587
01:10:47,826 --> 01:10:50,746
Speaker 1: young man or woman comes in with a resume and

1588
01:10:50,786 --> 01:10:54,266
Speaker 1: a Manila folder and they're a junior in college, or

1589
01:10:54,306 --> 01:10:57,186
Speaker 1: they're a sophomore in law school, or they're just off

1590
01:10:57,186 --> 01:10:59,106
Speaker 1: the street and they learn that there's a big NFL

1591
01:10:59,146 --> 01:11:01,706
Speaker 1: event and this is their opportunity. And you get in

1592
01:11:01,746 --> 01:11:04,026
Speaker 1: this elevator and the elevator closes, and the young man

1593
01:11:04,146 --> 01:11:06,426
Speaker 1: or woman looks at you and says, I'll do anything

1594
01:11:06,506 --> 01:11:08,626
Speaker 1: to get in the NFL. What is your advice? And

1595
01:11:08,706 --> 01:11:11,186
Speaker 1: you have just the elevator elevator ride to share with them.

1596
01:11:11,186 --> 01:11:13,946
Speaker 1: What is your elevator advice for this young man or woman?

1597
01:11:14,306 --> 01:11:16,786
Speaker 3: My advice is always the same, you know, major in

1598
01:11:16,866 --> 01:11:20,306
Speaker 3: whatever you want, because it doesn't matter right you don't

1599
01:11:20,346 --> 01:11:22,866
Speaker 3: have to be a sports management sports business major. If

1600
01:11:22,906 --> 01:11:26,586
Speaker 3: you you want to major in Greek philosophy, be my guest, like,

1601
01:11:27,026 --> 01:11:30,106
Speaker 3: go be the best version. The first version people see

1602
01:11:30,106 --> 01:11:33,026
Speaker 3: of you all the time is email. Make sure your

1603
01:11:33,066 --> 01:11:37,746
Speaker 3: email is well written, clear, concise. That's how ninety five

1604
01:11:37,746 --> 01:11:39,386
Speaker 3: percent of the world's going to judge you when you're

1605
01:11:39,386 --> 01:11:40,426
Speaker 3: a first and it's.

1606
01:11:40,266 --> 01:11:44,986
Speaker 1: Not like pullo sport girl eleven or it's yeah, you know,

1607
01:11:45,186 --> 01:11:48,666
Speaker 1: and you know, make sure that at gmail dot com.

1608
01:11:49,026 --> 01:11:53,346
Speaker 3: You know, go volunteer at your university in the football office,

1609
01:11:53,346 --> 01:11:55,626
Speaker 3: at the athletic department. Don't just tell me you'll do anything.

1610
01:11:56,106 --> 01:11:58,546
Speaker 3: Show me that you've gone work. And I don't care

1611
01:11:58,586 --> 01:12:02,706
Speaker 3: if you go work, you know, selling tickets for sure,

1612
01:12:02,746 --> 01:12:05,426
Speaker 3: you know women's soccer, or if you're the right hand

1613
01:12:05,426 --> 01:12:07,586
Speaker 3: to the head football coach, that doesn't matter to me.

1614
01:12:07,866 --> 01:12:09,226
Speaker 3: I want to see you do that so I can

1615
01:12:09,266 --> 01:12:12,386
Speaker 3: go talk to someone about your work, ethic and your drive.

1616
01:12:12,506 --> 01:12:15,106
Speaker 3: And then finally, if you truly love the NFL, there's

1617
01:12:15,146 --> 01:12:17,426
Speaker 3: so many great ways, whether it's over the cap or

1618
01:12:17,506 --> 01:12:20,506
Speaker 3: PFF for all these sites. Now you can go learn

1619
01:12:20,626 --> 01:12:23,266
Speaker 3: some of that trade, and you know you can.

1620
01:12:23,146 --> 01:12:23,586
Speaker 4: Go do it.

1621
01:12:23,626 --> 01:12:26,386
Speaker 3: Start a blog, start a podcast. Like there's so many

1622
01:12:26,386 --> 01:12:30,066
Speaker 3: ways when you and I were coming up that you.

1623
01:12:29,186 --> 01:12:32,186
Speaker 4: Couldn't do this. And I don't say that.

1624
01:12:32,786 --> 01:12:34,826
Speaker 3: I'm not going to read your stuff and say like, oh,

1625
01:12:35,386 --> 01:12:38,226
Speaker 3: you have this amazing insight about the offensive line and

1626
01:12:38,266 --> 01:12:40,546
Speaker 3: we're going to go hire you. I just want to

1627
01:12:40,546 --> 01:12:43,026
Speaker 3: know how you think. I want to see that you

1628
01:12:43,066 --> 01:12:45,906
Speaker 3: can put it all together, you know, and have that initiative,

1629
01:12:46,066 --> 01:12:49,826
Speaker 3: and look, be be bold, be creative, and look, if

1630
01:12:49,826 --> 01:12:53,066
Speaker 3: you decide I want to go work, you know, at

1631
01:12:53,306 --> 01:12:56,866
Speaker 3: a factory or at a tech company or Wall Street,

1632
01:12:56,946 --> 01:12:57,586
Speaker 3: it doesn't.

1633
01:12:57,346 --> 01:12:58,106
Speaker 4: Mean it's twenty two.

1634
01:12:58,746 --> 01:13:02,386
Speaker 3: Your path is, you know, if you don't get in football,

1635
01:13:02,386 --> 01:13:04,186
Speaker 3: if you don't go to sports, its not driven. Go

1636
01:13:04,306 --> 01:13:07,226
Speaker 3: do what you're passionate about. You will find your way

1637
01:13:07,266 --> 01:13:09,866
Speaker 3: to where you should be. Like, be patient, you know,

1638
01:13:10,026 --> 01:13:13,106
Speaker 3: be optimistic, and you know, don't just take any job,

1639
01:13:13,186 --> 01:13:14,746
Speaker 3: take the one you really want.

1640
01:13:15,066 --> 01:13:17,826
Speaker 1: Kevin, this is awesome, President of the Los Angeles Rams,

1641
01:13:18,906 --> 01:13:22,466
Speaker 1: on the biggest week of the RAMS season and certainly

1642
01:13:22,786 --> 01:13:25,066
Speaker 1: the most dramatic Wildcard game in a few days. I

1643
01:13:25,106 --> 01:13:27,226
Speaker 1: so appreciate you taking the hour and change to sit

1644
01:13:27,306 --> 01:13:30,066
Speaker 1: with me. You're great at what you do and obviously.

1645
01:13:30,466 --> 01:13:32,026
Speaker 1: We so appreciate your time. Dude.

1646
01:13:32,546 --> 01:13:34,866
Speaker 3: It's if we had been talking in May and you

1647
01:13:34,866 --> 01:13:37,426
Speaker 3: would say the rams for ten and seven in the

1648
01:13:37,426 --> 01:13:39,746
Speaker 3: wildcard hunt, I would have said, you're damn right, we are.

1649
01:13:39,746 --> 01:13:41,546
Speaker 1: So yeah, Yeah, I liked it.

1650
01:13:42,106 --> 01:13:44,266
Speaker 4: Let's go have some fun this weekend. Thanks Peter, have.

1651
01:13:44,346 --> 01:13:45,266
Speaker 1: Fun, dude, Thank you.

1652
01:13:59,426 --> 01:13:59,626
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1653
01:14:00,026 --> 01:14:02,386
Speaker 1: Look, I talked to them off pretty often because he's

1654
01:14:02,386 --> 01:14:04,466
Speaker 1: got big picture stuff and it's not so much aaron

1655
01:14:04,626 --> 01:14:08,226
Speaker 1: about like, you know, here is the scoop on you know,

1656
01:14:08,386 --> 01:14:10,306
Speaker 1: this guy's ankle injury. We don't talk. We talk big

1657
01:14:10,346 --> 01:14:12,506
Speaker 1: picture stuff. You could tell that guy's a leader and

1658
01:14:12,666 --> 01:14:14,226
Speaker 1: you know, pretty impressive in his own right.

1659
01:14:14,546 --> 01:14:17,466
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean he like he was saying that

1660
01:14:17,546 --> 01:14:19,426
Speaker 2: the amount of people who have come through that door

1661
01:14:19,466 --> 01:14:21,706
Speaker 2: that he has worked with and to be there for

1662
01:14:21,866 --> 01:14:25,666
Speaker 2: multiple regimes and like the different the connections to different

1663
01:14:25,706 --> 01:14:29,026
Speaker 2: coaches as well as different quarterbacks. Loved hearing that, especially

1664
01:14:29,026 --> 01:14:29,906
Speaker 2: going into this weekend.

1665
01:14:30,586 --> 01:14:36,066
Speaker 1: My big takeaway is it's it's the frustration that those

1666
01:14:36,106 --> 01:14:40,546
Speaker 1: who know have over the Raheem Morris situation is real

1667
01:14:40,666 --> 01:14:43,026
Speaker 1: and it comes from Kevin. I speak to Kyle Shanahan

1668
01:14:43,066 --> 01:14:46,786
Speaker 1: about it. It comes to guys like Lafleur, all of

1669
01:14:46,826 --> 01:14:48,826
Speaker 1: these guys who have worked with Rahiema like that's the

1670
01:14:48,946 --> 01:14:50,866
Speaker 1: that's the voice of the locker room, that's the voice

1671
01:14:50,866 --> 01:14:54,066
Speaker 1: who gets the players. And yet year after a year

1672
01:14:54,146 --> 01:14:56,066
Speaker 1: comes by and he's not getting a head coaching job.

1673
01:14:56,186 --> 01:14:58,626
Speaker 1: We'll see how it goes. As we're recording this, there's

1674
01:14:58,626 --> 01:15:01,826
Speaker 1: the several vacancies, and yet I have no assurance that

1675
01:15:01,906 --> 01:15:04,066
Speaker 1: Rahee Morris is getting one of these jobs this year. Either.

1676
01:15:04,386 --> 01:15:09,506
Speaker 2: It's impressive to have a front office like actively be

1677
01:15:09,666 --> 01:15:12,426
Speaker 2: like we this, we love this guy, we want that's

1678
01:15:12,466 --> 01:15:15,226
Speaker 2: a secure organization, so we want him to get his

1679
01:15:15,306 --> 01:15:16,506
Speaker 2: shot at being a head coach.

1680
01:15:16,586 --> 01:15:20,066
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is wild. That is a secure organization. Other

1681
01:15:20,186 --> 01:15:23,666
Speaker 1: organizations would guard these guys like their gold. With the Rams,

1682
01:15:23,666 --> 01:15:25,906
Speaker 1: it's like we've had thirty different guys come and go like, well,

1683
01:15:26,066 --> 01:15:28,346
Speaker 1: we're happy for all of them. The tree is what's important.

1684
01:15:28,426 --> 01:15:29,586
Speaker 1: Everyone go branch out.

1685
01:15:29,786 --> 01:15:32,026
Speaker 2: I think he used the phrase we were trying to

1686
01:15:32,146 --> 01:15:35,546
Speaker 2: sell him or sell the like other teams on him,

1687
01:15:35,626 --> 01:15:38,306
Speaker 2: as opposed to like we're denying interviews. It's like no,

1688
01:15:38,426 --> 01:15:40,426
Speaker 2: they yeah, they're fighting for him, which is great. You

1689
01:15:40,506 --> 01:15:41,786
Speaker 2: love to see that from an organization.

1690
01:15:41,866 --> 01:15:43,706
Speaker 1: You love to see it, all right, So that's Rams

1691
01:15:44,666 --> 01:15:49,866
Speaker 1: versus Lions Sunday night. I can't wait for it. Let's

1692
01:15:49,906 --> 01:15:52,866
Speaker 1: do the Uber Eats Delivering Results, Aaron, how's that sound?

1693
01:15:52,946 --> 01:15:55,786
Speaker 1: Last week was Week eighteen. We got to give it

1694
01:15:55,826 --> 01:15:57,826
Speaker 1: to somebody, and the person I'm going to give it

1695
01:15:57,866 --> 01:16:00,866
Speaker 1: to is actually a Los Angeles ram. I'm going to

1696
01:16:00,946 --> 01:16:04,386
Speaker 1: give it to Pooka Nakula. Pooka Nakula broke the single

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Speaker 1: season record, which is pretty impressive for not only hatches

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Speaker 1: for a rookie, but for yards for a rookie in

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Speaker 1: a season. He did it with Carson Wentz throwing him dimes.

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Speaker 1: Shout out to Pooka Nakua breaks the record, gives the

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Speaker 1: ball to his mother, their smiles all abound. We'll see

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Speaker 1: what he could do this weekend. But when you break

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Speaker 1: two two long standing NFL records like catches for a

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Speaker 1: rookie in a season and receiving yards in a rookie season,

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Speaker 1: and oh yeah, you're the twentieth wide receiver selected in

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Speaker 1: the draft and you're a fifth round pick, you get

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Speaker 1: my love. I'm gonna say, Pooka Nakua gets the Uber

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Speaker 1: Delivering Results. Uber Eats Delivering results where you can get

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Speaker 1: almost almost anything from Uber eats. On that note, there's

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Speaker 1: a plenty of games this weekend Rams Lions is the

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Speaker 1: one I've got circled. I hope you guys enjoyed listening

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Speaker 1: to this. Such a good insight in hiring coaches. McVeigh,

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Speaker 1: Stafford Golf, Aaron Wan, Kaufman, Jason English, all the boys

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Speaker 1: and gals on the West Coast, and especially you guys,

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Speaker 1: the listeners. Thanks for listening. I feel like we're doing

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Speaker 1: some pretty cool stuff over here. They'll be not as

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Speaker 1: viral as some other podcasts at the moment. If Kat

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Speaker 1: Williams wants to come on, feel free, If Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: wants to voice his thoughts on some topics, feel free.

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Speaker 1: We're here. We're just doing our job the best way

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Speaker 1: we can. Thanks for listening. We'll talk to you guys

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Speaker 1: next week. The Season with Peter Schrager is a production

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