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Speaker 1: Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of iHeartRadio and Grimm

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Speaker 1: and Mild from Aaron Minky. Listener, discretion is advised.

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Speaker 2: I've always known I was not into the idea of

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Speaker 2: provoking spirits. For one, I find it disrespectful, and secondly,

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Speaker 2: if I can't see who I'm talking to, if I

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Speaker 2: can barely even prove they exist, why on earth would

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Speaker 2: I try to get their attention by berating them. This

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Speaker 2: episode's location really drove that home for me. I first

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Speaker 2: investigated it years ago on the show ghost Hunters. It

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Speaker 2: was one of my first cases on the show and

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Speaker 2: on national television, to be frank so, even though I'd

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Speaker 2: been on many teams and had investigated for years, I

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Speaker 2: was the new beat here, Which was why when my

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Speaker 2: partner on the show, who was definitely just trying to

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Speaker 2: have some fun with me, told the ghosts we were

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Speaker 2: looking for that I wanted to burn the whole place down,

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Speaker 2: I got a wee bit offensive. This was my reputation

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Speaker 2: we heard slamming noises in the room with us. Whoever

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Speaker 2: was there did not like the idea of this preciously

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Speaker 2: historic building burning down. Nor did I, of course, so

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Speaker 2: we'd gotten a response, which I suppose is what anyone

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Speaker 2: could want on an investigation, especially one on reality television.

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Speaker 2: But truthfully, even though I don't think there was any

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Speaker 2: real ill intention, I didn't feel great about the way

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Speaker 2: we'd composed ourselves. And that's why the Cuban Club in

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Speaker 2: Ebor City, Florida cemented my decision to never antagonize a

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Speaker 2: spirit without reason Again. I'm Amy Bruney, and this is

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Speaker 2: Haunted Road. From the outside, the Cuban Club in Ebors City,

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Speaker 2: Florida looks like a stately old library or museum nestled

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Speaker 2: in a historic Hispanic neighborhood in northeastern Tampa. The structure

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Speaker 2: is made of bright yellow brick with white trim. Two

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Speaker 2: twin staircases, one on the right and one on the left,

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Speaker 2: meet in front of its raised front door. The columns

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Speaker 2: to either side of the entrance each stand two stories tall.

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Speaker 2: They frame the door, as well as a stained glass

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Speaker 2: window depicting the Cuban coat of arms. The inside is

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Speaker 2: equally elegant, think tiled floors, stairways with wrought iron balustrades,

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Speaker 2: a cantina that dates back to the late thirties or

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Speaker 2: early forties, and a theater that can seat four hundred

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Speaker 2: and seventy five people and fills two stories of the building.

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Speaker 2: It has an elaborately carved priscinnium surrounding the plush red curtain.

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Speaker 2: Just outside the theater. There are white ticket booths by

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Speaker 2: both the main and balcony entrances. The top floor holds

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Speaker 2: a ballroom with a fantastic view of the Tampa skyline,

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Speaker 2: plus a terrace. All this in a four story, thirty

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Speaker 2: seven thousand square foot Neo Classical Revival style building. If

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Speaker 2: you visit one of its many bars or gathering spaces,

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Speaker 2: it's not hard to picture people meeting here seventy or

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Speaker 2: eighty years ago, smoking, drinking, eating, and having a wonderful time.

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Speaker 2: Built in eighteen ninety nine, the Cuban Club was supposed

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Speaker 2: to provide both fun and financial stability to the residents

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Speaker 2: of Ebor City. At that time, the community was considered

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Speaker 2: the cigar capital of the world. According to the National

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Speaker 2: Park Service, Many of the six thousand residents worked in

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Speaker 2: factories where they made cigars. Thanks to restrictions on Cuban imports,

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Speaker 2: there was a high demand for American made ones Clubs

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Speaker 2: like the Cuban Club, which was renamed a couple of

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Speaker 2: times through its existence, popped up to offer locals a

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Speaker 2: place to gather and socialize, but also it provided benefits

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Speaker 2: and support that people might not otherwise get at their

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Speaker 2: working class jobs. As reported by Lucy B Wayne and

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Speaker 2: the Interior, who joined the Cuban Club didn't just have

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Speaker 2: They could also attend English lessons, access the library, and

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Speaker 2: set up death benefits. The Cuban Club even offered its

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Speaker 2: members healthcare. The organization occasionally hired doctors and operated an

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Speaker 2: and other care, and if someone couldn't work because they

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Speaker 2: Authors Mark Munsey and Carrie Schultz described the organization as

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Speaker 2: one of the first HMOs in the country. In light

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Speaker 2: of all this, it's fairly unsurprising that the club was

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Speaker 2: incredibly popular. In nineteen oh two, just three years after

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Speaker 2: little over a decade later, in nineteen fourteen, that roster

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Speaker 2: Club was for light skinned Cubans. Another local club was

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Speaker 2: for dark skinned Cubans. Despite this, residence flocked to the

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Speaker 2: and the rebuilt building reopened its doors the following year.

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Speaker 2: The decade after that, the club's treasurer, Enrique Santa Cruz,

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Speaker 2: nineteen fifties, a large number of its members supported Fidel Castro.

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Speaker 2: This led to some tension as Cuban refugees fleeing to

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Speaker 2: the United States didn't see eye to eye with high

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Speaker 2: ranking members of the club. In July nineteen sixty two,

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Speaker 2: a vandal painted hammers and sickles on the building an

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Speaker 2: unfurled a revolutionary banner. A month later, several leaders resigned

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Speaker 2: because the organization was, according to them, communists dominated, as

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Speaker 2: Cuban refugees who'd fled Castro's rule. This all happened in

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Speaker 2: the midst of an anti communist wave that swept through

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Speaker 2: the whole United States, not just Ebor City. The same

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Speaker 2: year as the vandalism and the resignations, an embargo made

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Speaker 2: it impossible for American factories to import Cuban tobacco. The

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Speaker 2: cigar plants near the Cuban Club subsequently shut down. It

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Speaker 2: was terrible timing, as a recent highway construction project had

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Speaker 2: program displaced nearly one thousand families. While people left Ebor City,

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Speaker 2: to suffer a thirty year decline. In nineteen ninety two,

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Speaker 2: a non profit group bought the building and set about

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Speaker 2: According to Paul Guzo of the Tampa Bay Times, today

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Speaker 2: you can rent the club as an event space. While

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Speaker 2: its ultimate decline was related to finances and the US

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Speaker 2: Cuban relationship, the club suffered its fair share of scandals too.

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Speaker 2: It stands to reason, of course, a paston popular social

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Speaker 2: erupted into violence. In nineteen twenty seven, the club's treasurer,

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Speaker 2: the embezzlement scandal I mentioned before, and when he died,

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Speaker 2: he left a note confessing to the crime. Seven years later,

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Speaker 2: in April nineteen thirty four, the president, Edward Valdez, made

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Speaker 2: He and the other leaders held a meeting to discuss

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Speaker 2: the firing. Over five hundred disgruntled members piled into the

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Speaker 2: Bellarmino Vallejo led the mob. There's some debate over how

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Speaker 2: things escalated from there, but after a massive brawl broke

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Speaker 2: out among more than a dozen of the attendees, a

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Speaker 2: gunshot rang through the theater. Bell Armino had been shot,

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Speaker 2: Bellarmino had somehow made his way toward the dressing rooms,

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Speaker 2: In his final hours, Bellarmino explained how he'd been murdered.

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Speaker 2: According to him, two club directors removed his glasses and

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Speaker 2: held him down while President Edward Valdez shot him. Just

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Speaker 2: happened in the club, presumably around nineteen seventeen, but I

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Speaker 2: haven't been able to find any sources verifying that it happened.

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Speaker 2: The accounts say a club president named Albert J. Colby

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Speaker 2: his murder may have been related to his involvement in

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Speaker 2: another embezzlement scheme. The problem the club has never had

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Speaker 2: Alfredo J. Coley, but he wasn't murdered, and he lived

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Speaker 2: So it's hard to say whose ghost with a visible

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Speaker 2: Bellarmino's ghost has been spotted frequently in the theater where

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Speaker 2: he was shot. According to Lloyd Carrera Santos, writing for

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Speaker 2: El Cerulo Cubano in one oh one, he died just

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Speaker 2: before twelve am, and his ghosts trudged back to the

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Speaker 2: Some witnesses have also seen President Edward Valdez, who Bellarmino

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Speaker 2: named as his killer. The Cuban Club hauntings are interesting

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Speaker 2: Local lore suggests Her name is Carlita or Rosalita, and

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Speaker 2: A man asked her to dance, and when she declined,

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Speaker 2: the next day. Additionally, there are no records of anyone

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Speaker 2: but many visitors claim they've seen an eight or nine

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Speaker 2: from the outside have also seen Jimmy peering out the

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Speaker 2: subject's eyes are following them. The piano in the theater

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Speaker 2: four and five am, and these technical problems have been

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Speaker 2: Other times, a man who smells of pipe tobacco, dressed

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Speaker 3: It is my pleasure to be here with you.

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Speaker 2: So fun fact, I actually investigated the Cuban Club a

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Speaker 4: It's quite a joy to be in that building and

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but as a believer in the other side, it's

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Speaker 2: Okay, Now, if someone going into the Cuban Club rother

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Speaker 3: Well, before we enter the building, we give an overrun

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Speaker 3: I have a personal opinion on that, and what I

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Speaker 2: That makes great sense, actually, because that's kind of kind

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Speaker 3: Oh. Absolutely, Because we are the only ghost tour in

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Speaker 2: That's what was my next question was I wanted to

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Speaker 3: Sure. The woman who is the office manager of the building,

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Speaker 2: Now do you think that? Do you think the spirits

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Speaker 3: I believe that that's the case that over the years

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Speaker 3: I don't doubt that.

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Speaker 1: You know, thankfully we're there late enough.

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Speaker 2: there was this massive bang that happened in the building.

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Speaker 2: And so do you see things like that very often?

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Speaker 2: Maybe not even on tours, but when you're in there

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Speaker 2: on your own or with other business.

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Speaker 3: Let me share this with you, and I rarely share

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Speaker 3: this information. I wear hearing aids. I will not wear

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Speaker 3: them in the building. I do not speak a word

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Speaker 3: of Spanish. When I have my hearing aids on, and

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Speaker 3: I've worn them in the past, I can hear that

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Speaker 3: I'm being spoken to in Spanish, and I do not

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Speaker 3: speak Spanish. But when I have my hearing aids on,

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Speaker 3: I can actually hear the Spanish language being spoken, and

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Speaker 3: I know it's being directed at me personally, and so

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Speaker 3: it doesn't scare me. But it is distracting when you're

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Speaker 3: trying to give a tour someone is speaking Spanish in

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Speaker 3: your ear and you know that it's not a living person.

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Speaker 2: So that is fascinating because, like, I have never even

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Speaker 2: thought about that.

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Speaker 1: That's the first time I've heard that.

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Speaker 2: Where hearing aids, because you know, we so often when

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Speaker 2: we investigate, we're using you know, electronics, we're using recorders,

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Speaker 2: we're using cameras, and I honestly never even occurred to

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Speaker 2: me that hearing aids could amplify something like that. And

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Speaker 2: I'll be curious if anyone's listening who's had this experience,

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Speaker 2: because this is something I'm going to follow up on.

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Speaker 1: I am.

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Speaker 2: So my interest is like hugely piqued by this, to

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Speaker 2: be honest. And so that's so you can't even wear

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Speaker 2: them in there because it's it's so difficult for you

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Speaker 2: to kind of concentrate on what you're doing because you're

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Speaker 2: hearing other things.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's very distracting because you know you're trying to

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Speaker 3: communicate with.

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Speaker 2: You That's very interesting. I mean I I honestly, like

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Speaker 2: I said, I had never even thought of that. It

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Speaker 2: makes me wonder how many times, like people wearing hearing aids,

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Speaker 2: like turn them down because they're here something they don't

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Speaker 2: realize they might be hearing something kind of otherworldly.

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Speaker 3: Sure it could be.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so now I thought you told me about

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Speaker 2: the girl who actually fainted on a tour. Now have

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Speaker 2: you ever had anybody just kind of go in there

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Speaker 2: and just say, nope, I'm getting out.

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Speaker 1: This is not for me this building.

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Speaker 3: Okay?

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Speaker 1: How often does that happen?

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Speaker 3: It's a fairly common occurrence. When we get to the

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Speaker 3: Cuban Club, it's generally our final destination. So we have

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Speaker 3: been on the streets, visiting other locations, sharing the stories

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Speaker 3: and the hauntings of those locations in the streets. And

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Speaker 3: so by the time we get to that door, and

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Speaker 3: we have explained to the people what we are going

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Speaker 3: to experiencing, what door we are going in, what happened here,

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Speaker 3: what happened there. On more than one occasion, and again

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Speaker 3: rather frequently, there are people of all ages, from children

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Speaker 3: to grown adults who have had to go in the building.

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Speaker 3: And I've had people wait for their friends outside it

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Speaker 3: would not go in the building.

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Speaker 2: That actually makes sense, because you know, you've had this

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Speaker 2: incredible build up where all you've talked about is ghosts

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Speaker 2: and hauntings, and then they're actually faced to the idea

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Speaker 2: of kind of entering a building with known activity, And

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Speaker 2: I could see how some people would just say, you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm miss sit this one out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it happens.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense. Has anyone ever made it in

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Speaker 2: and had something happen to them that was enough for

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Speaker 2: them to just like cut out?

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Speaker 3: Oh, we've had people, We've had people leave the building.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean most of the activities seems fairly I don't

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Speaker 2: want to say benign, it's not benign, but it seems

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Speaker 2: pretty friendly and welcoming in a way. Has there ever

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Speaker 2: been anything there that truly frightened you?

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Speaker 3: Nothing has really frightened me, because when you understand that

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Speaker 3: they just want us to know that they and if

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Speaker 3: you're open to that, there's nothing to fear. It may

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Speaker 3: be a little strange and freaky, but there's really nothing

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Speaker 3: to fear.

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Speaker 2: No. I echo that sentiment for sure. But there definitely

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Speaker 2: have been some times in my paranormal career where I

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Speaker 2: was like, I need to take a breather. That was

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Speaker 2: a little intense, even for me.

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Speaker 3: I had one it was probably two years ago, and

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Speaker 3: there was a group of friends. One couple were married.

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Speaker 3: He was returning that from the war in the Mid East,

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Speaker 3: and apparently he had been well. He had died twice

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Speaker 3: in battle, he had been severely wounded twice, and he

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Speaker 3: was written off. But he came back. And we're in

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Speaker 3: one of the early floors when this tour first begins,

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Speaker 3: and I looked around, and his wife went, my husband's missing.

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Speaker 3: And I said, okay, because no one's allowed to take

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Speaker 3: a rogue tour through the rle And we traveled for

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Speaker 3: the war together, and I make that point very clear.

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Speaker 3: And so we found him up in the ballroom, hiding

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Speaker 3: under one of the bars, under the sinks of the bars,

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Speaker 3: and he didn't know how he got there. He said

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Speaker 3: he felt that spirits came for him and led him

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Speaker 3: up there. And when you think about it, if a

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Speaker 3: person has crossed over and then came back, as we

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Speaker 3: know people will the spirits know that you've been on

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Speaker 3: their side, You've been in their realm, if only for

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Speaker 3: a minute. And I think people that have had that

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Speaker 3: near death experience or have crossed over for short periods

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Speaker 3: of time when you're in an atmosphere like that the

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Speaker 3: spirits are aware of that right and the connection, and

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Speaker 3: so that was one of the strangest events that had

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Speaker 3: me very concerned because this veteran was visibly shaken.

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Speaker 2: Well, that makes sense. I love that building. I need

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Speaker 2: to get back there. When I kind of looked back

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Speaker 2: and I was like, oh my gosh, It's been how

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Speaker 2: many years since I've been in Eboors City. So it's

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Speaker 2: definitely a visit I need to make.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: If other people want to go and check out the

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Speaker 2: Cuban Club and your tour, what do they need to do?

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Speaker 3: The website is Tampa tours dot com and we do

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Speaker 3: historic tours in the daytime and Downtown Tampa and of

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Speaker 3: course mister Eboors City, and then we also do in

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Speaker 3: the evenings those tours in Downtown Tampa and Mister Eboors City.

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Speaker 3: And so they can go on to Tampa tours dot

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Speaker 3: com and find out which tour they would like to enjoy,

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Speaker 3: and it's easy to book and you will have the

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Speaker 3: right of your life.

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Speaker 1: I love that.

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Speaker 2: Well, they should clearly request mister Steve Stamberger as their

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Speaker 2: tour guide because you definitely have a fun flare about

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Speaker 2: you and I love that you're like smoking a cigar

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Speaker 2: while we're talking. It's lovely, But I do want to

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining us. It's been a pleasure,

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Speaker 2: and hopefully I will meet you in person someday soon.

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Speaker 3: I look forward to it, and it has been a

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Speaker 3: pleasure to share the stories with you.

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Speaker 2: When it was at its peak, the Cuban Club was

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Speaker 2: vivacious and joyful, and these days it seems the spirits

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Speaker 2: have maintained that vibrant party atmosphere. Like Steve suggested, spirits

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Speaker 2: return to the site because they remember the good times

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Speaker 2: they had there. Maybe we could all take a lesson

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Speaker 2: from them that our time on earth is short. That's

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Speaker 2: no reason not to be happy and have fun, even

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Speaker 2: or maybe especially, after our lives have come to their end.

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