WEBVTT - Patriots Catch-22 1/5: Bills Preview, Damar Hamlin, Mac Jones' Performance Against the Dolphins

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<v Speaker 1>This is the Patriots Catch twenty two Podcasts with Evan

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<v Speaker 1>Lazar and Alex Barth. I'm Lazar La. Everybody nailed it,

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<v Speaker 1>joined us always buy our match. Here is Evan Lazar

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<v Speaker 1>and Alex BArch. If you've decided based off of this

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<v Speaker 1>season that Mac Jones is not the guy you don't

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<v Speaker 1>know football. You don't know football, You're more sorry, you're dumb. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the first time I heard that back since I

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<v Speaker 1>went off last week about that, and I'm okay with it.

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<v Speaker 1>The internet loved that. I know some people were a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit angry with me. That's okay. That was that.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew that was coming, and I do want to

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<v Speaker 1>mention right off the top, Evan Lazar, Alex Barth with

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<v Speaker 1>you as always excuse me. It does seem a little

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<v Speaker 1>trivial right now talking about football. Yeah, it does. And

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<v Speaker 1>we're very well aware that Alex is going to read

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<v Speaker 1>off an update. Was it from the Bills? So we

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<v Speaker 1>got we got two updates. I'll just get right into

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<v Speaker 1>it here. So first off, it's probably about five maybe

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<v Speaker 1>ten minutes ago. Kairie Elam, who's a corner yes for

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<v Speaker 1>the Bills, a rookie corner tweeted, our boy is doing better,

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<v Speaker 1>awake and showing more signs of improvement. Thank you God,

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<v Speaker 1>keep the prayers coming. All of three and then that

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<v Speaker 1>was three being Damar Hamlin's number, right, And then that

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<v Speaker 1>was followed by an update from the Bills this literally

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<v Speaker 1>as we as the open was playing. Per the physicians

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<v Speaker 1>caring for Damarrow Hamlin at the University of Cincinnati Medical Center,

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<v Speaker 1>Damar has shown remarkable improvement over the past twenty four hours.

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<v Speaker 1>While still critically ill, he's demonstrated that he appears to

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<v Speaker 1>be neurologically intact, his lungs continue to heal, and he

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<v Speaker 1>is making steady progress. We are grateful for all the

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<v Speaker 1>love and support we have received. So fantastic news right,

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<v Speaker 1>not sounds like maybe not out of the woods yet,

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<v Speaker 1>but certainly I think this is the first big update

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<v Speaker 1>we were all waiting for and certainly could be a

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<v Speaker 1>lot worse. Right, So, it sounds like things are trending

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<v Speaker 1>into I'm not a medical professional, but it sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>things are trending in the right direction, which I think

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<v Speaker 1>is all you can pretty much ask for at this point. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>And Adam Schefter this morning also tweeted that Damar Hamlin's

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<v Speaker 1>father actually addressed the team and gave an updated I

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<v Speaker 1>think it was actually last night that they gave that yea,

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<v Speaker 1>but that the general feeling and the building from the

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<v Speaker 1>team standpoint was that they heard a lot of encouraging

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<v Speaker 1>things that made them feel better about moving forward and

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<v Speaker 1>made them feel better about the situation as much as

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<v Speaker 1>you possibly can. So we have to talk about it

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<v Speaker 1>because we can't talk about football without that being in

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<v Speaker 1>our minds to a degree. And it's just it's hard

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<v Speaker 1>because we all love the game. We all love covering

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<v Speaker 1>the game, Alex and I and watching it as fans,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is always the fear, right Like, there's always

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<v Speaker 1>that fear that somebody's gonna get hit in a football

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<v Speaker 1>game and he's not going to get back up. And

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<v Speaker 1>we haven't really seen this in our lifetime. I know

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's happened, you know, at some point in the

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<v Speaker 1>history of the NFL. But in today's day and age,

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<v Speaker 1>where there's a million ESPN cameras, there's social media, there's

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<v Speaker 1>all these different things, this thing, obviously is is tough

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<v Speaker 1>to see. And I hope that the Bills are given

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<v Speaker 1>the leeway from the NFL that if they decide as

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<v Speaker 1>a team that they're just not ready to play this

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<v Speaker 1>game on Sunday from a mental health standpoint in which

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<v Speaker 1>not to obviously Damar Hamlin's health is the number one

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<v Speaker 1>thing that we have to think about, but number two

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<v Speaker 1>to that, I would also just mention the mental health

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<v Speaker 1>of the players and his teammates, right and the players

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<v Speaker 1>on the bank side of things too, that just witnessed

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<v Speaker 1>what happened on Monday night, and that's important too. So

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's a lot of those angles. Obviously, our

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<v Speaker 1>our thoughts and prayers are with Damar Hamlin, and uh

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<v Speaker 1>it's glad. I'm so glad to hear that he's starting

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<v Speaker 1>to pull out of this and hopefully doesn't have any

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<v Speaker 1>long term damage from all this. With that being said,

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<v Speaker 1>we are going to talk about football because that's what

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<v Speaker 1>we do and that's what we're gonna do. I have

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<v Speaker 1>to move here, we go, Okay, all right, there, we

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<v Speaker 1>got the video here today we are going to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about football. And I'm going to admit before we move

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<v Speaker 1>on here from the Damar Hamlin stuff. Getting fired up

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<v Speaker 1>about this is gonna is feel silly to me at

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<v Speaker 1>this point. It does, but that's what we do, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's what we're gonna do. So you can call in

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<v Speaker 1>and join the show here at five five PATS five hundred,

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<v Speaker 1>web radio at Patriots dot Com is the email as

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<v Speaker 1>you all probably we know at this point. And uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to start with the quarterback, because that's where

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<v Speaker 1>we always start. I want to start with the offense,

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<v Speaker 1>though as a whole, in the quarterback as a secondary

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<v Speaker 1>to that obviously, because that's what we do. We get

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<v Speaker 1>fired up about people that that can that that are

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<v Speaker 1>I mean the clip in the open set it all right, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't want to I don't want to go

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<v Speaker 1>on that whole rant again, but I still go back

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<v Speaker 1>to it. When it comes to Mac Jones, can someone

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<v Speaker 1>offer a real critique of his game? Like? Can we

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<v Speaker 1>can we talk about a real critique you're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the specifically the performance on Sunday? Sure, yeah, the performance

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<v Speaker 1>on Sunday in particular, because that's what's the newest information

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<v Speaker 1>we have. But can can we talk about a real

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<v Speaker 1>critique of the film of his of his game? Because

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<v Speaker 1>everything that I hear or tend to hear, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>I should say about Mac Jones is related to his

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<v Speaker 1>body language. How he looks. Oh he's whiny baby, Oh

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<v Speaker 1>he's he has he's a noodle. Army has no zip

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<v Speaker 1>on his throws. He's missing open receipt. Like I don't

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<v Speaker 1>hear I hear all these absolutes, right, like all these

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<v Speaker 1>dramatic the Patriots offense sticks. We know the Patriots offense

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<v Speaker 1>isn't good. We know they don't score points. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>know who also doesn't have a good offense? The Chicago Bears.

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<v Speaker 1>Do I hear any of these things about Justin Fields? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody loves Justin Fields, and I love Justin Fields. I

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<v Speaker 1>love watching Justin Fields. But Justin Fields flat out looks

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<v Speaker 1>better playing football. He's got a big arm, he's athletic,

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<v Speaker 1>he runs right, he does all these other things that

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<v Speaker 1>add to just playing quarterback. And the Bears offense is

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<v Speaker 1>the Patriots are twenty sixth and DV away, the Bears

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<v Speaker 1>are twenty seven Like they're both right there in the basement, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So all this other stuff, And I know he went

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<v Speaker 1>on your rival station, Alex Boomer assiasin like coming out

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<v Speaker 1>and saying, I don't remember the exact word that he

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<v Speaker 1>used off the top of my head. Maybe you do.

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<v Speaker 1>About Mac Jones on I think it was Monday talks

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<v Speaker 1>about the aesthetic and look, I think there's something to

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<v Speaker 1>that if you go so when you have all the

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<v Speaker 1>team pictures, I don't know about you. Yeah, when I'm

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<v Speaker 1>posting a article on ninety five sports ub dot com, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and I need to find a picture to use, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>go on getty dot com and I type in mac

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<v Speaker 1>Jones and it just gives me a bunch of pictures

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<v Speaker 1>in mac Jones. He doesn't photographed well on a football

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<v Speaker 1>field like that, just doesn't doesn't look when he and

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<v Speaker 1>when it goes bad for him, it looks even worse, right,

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<v Speaker 1>like when when he's not playing well. And I would

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<v Speaker 1>even say when he throws the ball, like he kind

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<v Speaker 1>of makes weird face. And he's not the first quarterback

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<v Speaker 1>to do that. You know who else doesn't like Justin Herbert? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>go look at pictures of Justin Herbert and look at

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<v Speaker 1>his face when he's throwing the football. Um that that

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<v Speaker 1>impacts the way people think about him. It's stupid, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>but um yeah, it's just it's it's like it almost

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<v Speaker 1>kind of reminds me of and you're gonna hate this,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't care. Remember it was earlier this year

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<v Speaker 1>somebody flipped the video of Tua, so we saw what

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<v Speaker 1>he looked like during righty, and everybody's like, wow, he

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<v Speaker 1>looks like completely different quarterback right right. It's just the

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<v Speaker 1>aesthetic of it, right, And I think that that's what

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<v Speaker 1>why I get so triggered by it is because I

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<v Speaker 1>don't give a crap, right Like, I know, are not

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<v Speaker 1>a guy for aesthetics, You are not. I don't care

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<v Speaker 1>what he looks like. I don't care about his mannerisms.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care about the sideline. I don't care about

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<v Speaker 1>how he runs off the field after they don't convert

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<v Speaker 1>another third down, because we've seen that a ton this year.

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<v Speaker 1>I do not care. What does the film tell us.

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<v Speaker 1>Is he making the right decisions with the football? Is

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<v Speaker 1>he accurate with the football? Is he getting the ball

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<v Speaker 1>into tight windows down the field? Is he making those

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<v Speaker 1>down the field throws? Is he a trigger shy or

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<v Speaker 1>is he willing to push it down the field? Like

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<v Speaker 1>all these things, I care so much more about his

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<v Speaker 1>body language, the way he carries himself, the way he

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<v Speaker 1>looks and when he makes a throw. I just this

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<v Speaker 1>type of stuff to me bugs me because it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>not it's not that's not actually football, right, Like it's

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<v Speaker 1>not football. This is just I don't like the guy.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you don't like the guy, and I've been

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<v Speaker 1>saying this for weeks now because I feel like this

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<v Speaker 1>has been brewing for a while. If you don't like

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<v Speaker 1>the guy, I can't convince you to like him, like

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<v Speaker 1>I can't convince you to want to to like his

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<v Speaker 1>aesthetic or like his swagger or lack thereof, or like

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<v Speaker 1>his playing style, like I can't convince you otherwise. But

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<v Speaker 1>what I want to get into is what actually he

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<v Speaker 1>is putting on tape, the actual football of it, not

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<v Speaker 1>all the other body language doctor krap so he I

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<v Speaker 1>want to give a legitimate critique because I think people

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<v Speaker 1>think that I'm you know, I'm a mac apologist and whatever. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care, but I want to give a legitimate

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<v Speaker 1>I'm proud you've gotten this far by the way, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we went from not wanting to take him until like

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<v Speaker 1>the third round too. Now, maybe being more of a

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<v Speaker 1>macapologist I might have been. I might have been writing

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<v Speaker 1>my initial instinct on this one. Uh. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>give all a gym make critique. So if I told you, Alex.

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<v Speaker 1>I looked this up the other day, and I was

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<v Speaker 1>looking it up for the Buffalo Bills, and what I

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<v Speaker 1>found out was actually astonishing, so astonishing to me that

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<v Speaker 1>I looked it up again. I ran the Pro Football

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<v Speaker 1>Reference search again to make sure that it wasn't like

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<v Speaker 1>a bug or something like that in the system. The

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<v Speaker 1>number one team in the league and producing what explosive plays, right,

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<v Speaker 1>plays with twenty plus yards the Kansas City Chiefs. Sure

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<v Speaker 1>not a surprise. Patrick Mahomes will do that. He They

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<v Speaker 1>by far and away lead the league. They have forty

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<v Speaker 1>nine of them. It's eight more than second place. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess who's in second place, The Patriots. The Patriots. So

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<v Speaker 1>when I saw that, and I'm not sitting here saying, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 1>the Patriots actually have a secretly great offense because they

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<v Speaker 1>produced twenty plus yard plays. But when I saw that,

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<v Speaker 1>I did a devil taken. I was like, I would

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<v Speaker 1>not have guessed that. I would not have guessed that.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think what we've gotten to the point with

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<v Speaker 1>this offense with the quarterback, which I'll get to in

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<v Speaker 1>a second as well, is that they have the ability

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<v Speaker 1>to create chunk plays. They have the ability to throw

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<v Speaker 1>the ball down the field, and they have the ability

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<v Speaker 1>to have these moments where you're like, wow, that was

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<v Speaker 1>a good play, right. You know, Kendrick Bourne and Mac

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<v Speaker 1>Jones in the second half in Cincinnati, the opening drive,

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<v Speaker 1>they hit Taekwon Thorton down the sideline, he hits Hunter

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<v Speaker 1>Henry on third down. Right, they have the ability to

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<v Speaker 1>have these flashes, to have these moments, to have these

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<v Speaker 1>high level downfield throws, and they rank near the top

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<v Speaker 1>of the league in explosive plays. They rank near the

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<v Speaker 1>top of the league. Mac Jones does in PFF's big

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<v Speaker 1>time throw rate, which I know people got on me

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<v Speaker 1>and they hate that stat. I don't care. So they

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<v Speaker 1>have these moments of flash where they do have these

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<v Speaker 1>big plays. But the problem is is that right now

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<v Speaker 1>they are not doing the things to keep the chains

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<v Speaker 1>moving right so they can have these big plays. And

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<v Speaker 1>I mentioned Kansas City had forty nine chunk plays this year.

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<v Speaker 1>That means that they're roughly at three a game. So

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<v Speaker 1>you're not going to sustain offense with three chunk plays

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<v Speaker 1>per game, and that's the best offense in the league.

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<v Speaker 1>Get doing it right. So what you need is to

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<v Speaker 1>hit the eight yard curl on first and ten to

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<v Speaker 1>convert on third down to score in the red zone.

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<v Speaker 1>Right like all these little other things, these little details

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<v Speaker 1>that end up being big things. So right now, where

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<v Speaker 1>the Patriots offense is at and where mac Jones is at,

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<v Speaker 1>is that they're truly a boomer bust offense. They either

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<v Speaker 1>are hitting a big play down the field or their

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<v Speaker 1>false start, short run, incomplete, incomplete, three and out right

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<v Speaker 1>like that, there's no in between with the offense right now.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that this gets to the quarterback, which

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<v Speaker 1>is my legitimate critique. Don't worry, I don't think he's perfect,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, the legitimate critique. His short game was terrible

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<v Speaker 1>in this game. His short game was off, His reads

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<v Speaker 1>were off in the short game. There are some throws

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<v Speaker 1>that were off in the short game. And what that

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<v Speaker 1>leads to is that you just can't You can't matriculate

0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:08.000
<v Speaker 1>the ball down the field, right, They can't string drives together.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that's where you have these peaks and valleys

0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:13.120
<v Speaker 1>where they can have the opening drive of the game,

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<v Speaker 1>they can have the eighty nine yard drive in the

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<v Speaker 1>fourth quarter, but then the middle quarters is a rut

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<v Speaker 1>of nothingness. So you know, he had a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>different plays where I thought he didn't really read the

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<v Speaker 1>underneath coverage very well. They ran, you know, snag like

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<v Speaker 1>and I want to mention this play because snag, which is,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a flat shallow cross and then you hook

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<v Speaker 1>it up right in between the two zones. Snag is

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<v Speaker 1>a play that every high school team in the country

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<v Speaker 1>runs right like. This is not Matt Patricia's bad at coordinating. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying he's good at coordinating. It's one of

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<v Speaker 1>the basic plays that every team puts into their playbook.

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<v Speaker 1>But the point is is that the quarterback, regardless of

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<v Speaker 1>who's calling the play in from the sideline, should be

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<v Speaker 1>able to execute it. And they get exactly what they want. Meyers.

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<v Speaker 1>He runs across the field on the shallow drag, It

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<v Speaker 1>pulls one zone defender this way, I think it was

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<v Speaker 1>Taekwon runs the flat, it pulls the other to zone

0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:11.640
<v Speaker 1>defender that way, and Nelson Agloor just sits right down

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<v Speaker 1>in between the stretched out zones and is open on

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<v Speaker 1>first down, wide open waiting for the football, and mac

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<v Speaker 1>Jones decides to throw it over the middle to Jacoby

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<v Speaker 1>Myers with two guys bracketing him in the zone and

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<v Speaker 1>it's incomplete. I thought that the ball that everybody I

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<v Speaker 1>think has talked about with Hunter Henry in the flat

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<v Speaker 1>where he kind of short arms it a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>I actually thought that was more about the read than

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<v Speaker 1>it was about the throw. Okay, another throw that I

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<v Speaker 1>thought he should have thrown the hitch instead of throwing

0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:40.960
<v Speaker 1>the flat you know, curl flat combination, and he throws

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<v Speaker 1>the flat instead of the curl. So for whatever reason,

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<v Speaker 1>like I feel like mac Jones has at least based

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<v Speaker 1>off this film, and I think that there are some

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<v Speaker 1>evidence from other films as well, his rookie season has

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<v Speaker 1>like flip flops. Like now, all of a sudden, he's

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<v Speaker 1>making these good throws down the field and maybe be

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more aggressive in his approach down the field,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's not hitting the easy ones, right, He's not

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<v Speaker 1>making the layups. And in order to be a sustained offense,

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<v Speaker 1>you need to be able to make the layups. So

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<v Speaker 1>whether you're Buffalo, Kansas City, the Patriots, the Bengals, like,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't matter, you still need to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>make those layups. And I think that that's what happens

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<v Speaker 1>is you know, first and ten, they throw in complete

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<v Speaker 1>to the flat to Hunter Henry. Now it's second and ten,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they maybe they gain yards on second and ten,

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<v Speaker 1>but now it's third and six, and now they have

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<v Speaker 1>to convert a third down, right, and we know that

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<v Speaker 1>they've struggled in that department at times this year. So

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<v Speaker 1>the short game was offen this one from Mac which

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<v Speaker 1>again it is seems to me like a flip flop

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<v Speaker 1>from what it was his rookie season where you had

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<v Speaker 1>some concerns that he wasn't pushing the ball down the field,

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<v Speaker 1>that they weren't letting him push the ball down the field.

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<v Speaker 1>Now they're letting him and he's doing it, but he's

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he's regressed in the other areas. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>an interesting thing I took away from this game. The

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<v Speaker 1>other interesting thing I took away from this game was offensively,

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<v Speaker 1>I actually think the Patriots offense and their passing game

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<v Speaker 1>does a pretty good job against man coverage. Now they

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<v Speaker 1>went right down the field, and I know Miami had

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<v Speaker 1>some injuries. Right in terms of the secondary, is Avian

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<v Speaker 1>Howard's out, Byron Joe's hasn't been playing, Nick Needham hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>been playing, But at the same time, they have been

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<v Speaker 1>able to beat man coverage. You can go back to

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<v Speaker 1>the Pittsburgh game in the beginning of the year when

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<v Speaker 1>Pittsburgh played a ton of man coverage and Nelson Aghaloor

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<v Speaker 1>had that big game. So they've had this ability. They

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<v Speaker 1>had some issues. Miami adjusted in the middle quarters to

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<v Speaker 1>more zone, and they had some issues doing that right.

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<v Speaker 1>They had some issues picking apart the zone, settling in zone,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think the biggest reason why is you know

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<v Speaker 1>the old adage is you run away from man coverage,

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<v Speaker 1>you find soft spots in zone, right, That's how you

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<v Speaker 1>are incorporate your passing game. And I think the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>reason why they've struggled against zone is because that takes chemistry, right,

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<v Speaker 1>That takes timing. It's not just I'm gonna read it out.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna look count Henry's gonna beat his man and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna throw and put the ball on him this

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to zone, it's where is he gonna sit?

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<v Speaker 1>Where is he gonna settle? Does he see it the

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<v Speaker 1>same way that I see it? Is it? Is it? Split? Safety?

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<v Speaker 1>Is a post? Right? Like what is the coverage and

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<v Speaker 1>what's the conversion based off the coverage. That type of

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<v Speaker 1>stuff takes, chemistry, takes timing, dare I say, takes coordination right,

0:17:27.040 --> 0:17:29.920
<v Speaker 1>and those type of right and those types of things

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<v Speaker 1>are fleeting this offense so in a lot of ways.

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<v Speaker 1>And Buffalo is coming in this week, and we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get to a Bill's preview here soon. Buffalo in the

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<v Speaker 1>week third team matchup played a ton of zone and

0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:43.760
<v Speaker 1>the Patriots obviously struggled with it. So now I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like for years we were talking about this team can't

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<v Speaker 1>get off press man, right, like they can't create separation

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<v Speaker 1>against man. What I see on film with this team

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<v Speaker 1>now is actually more struggles against zone than it is

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<v Speaker 1>against man. All right, So a couple things, Yeah, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of unpack. Yeah. First off, you mentioned that really

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<v Speaker 1>interesting number at the beginning, right about twenty plus yard plays.

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<v Speaker 1>The Patriots are second in the league. Yes, and you

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<v Speaker 1>need to sustain what happens in between. I know people

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<v Speaker 1>are probably gonna roll their eyes at this stat. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit my station. Oh well, if you take

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<v Speaker 1>away this right the Matt's all of videos, but it

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<v Speaker 1>proves a point here. Yards per play this season overall, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Patriots are averaging five point three yards per play on offense.

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<v Speaker 1>That's tied for seventeenth in the league, so middle of

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<v Speaker 1>the pack. Yeah, yards per play on plays that gain

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<v Speaker 1>less than twenty yards. So on one hand, oh, you're

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<v Speaker 1>taking out the big plays. Of course, the number is

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<v Speaker 1>gonna go down. But if you are a sustainable offense,

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<v Speaker 1>you should still be about the same spot, right in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of yards play. In terms of their ranking, everybody's

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<v Speaker 1>number is gonna go down. I'm looking at it here.

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<v Speaker 1>The most yards per play the team with the most

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<v Speaker 1>yards per play on plays of under twenty yards. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>is a yard less average in the last place team

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of yards per yards for play totals. So

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<v Speaker 1>we're not gonna don't focus on the total number here,

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<v Speaker 1>focus on the ranking, right, focus on where they are

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<v Speaker 1>relative to the other teams. The Patriots again, yards per

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<v Speaker 1>play period this year offensively tied for seventeenth. They are

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<v Speaker 1>twenty ninth, or sorry, they are tied for twenty seventh

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<v Speaker 1>in yards per play on non explosive plays, right, So

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<v Speaker 1>that just some numbers to back up your point there

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<v Speaker 1>that basically, when they're not getting those shot plays, it's

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<v Speaker 1>really the only way they're moving the ball at this point, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is volatile. It's just inherently volatile and we

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<v Speaker 1>know that. And I think the other thing is if

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<v Speaker 1>you look at those explosives, a lot of them are

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<v Speaker 1>like twenty five yard explosives, right. You know he hits

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<v Speaker 1>Taekwon Thornton on the opening drive. I think it was

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<v Speaker 1>a twenty four yard pass, right, And not a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of them, unfortunately, been for touchdowns right there right there

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<v Speaker 1>between the twenty explosives. But it's it's so weird to

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<v Speaker 1>me because they and I love that stat that you

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<v Speaker 1>brought up. I'm probably gonna steal from you yet that

0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:12.760
<v Speaker 1>that's important Pro Football reference. Yeah, I love that stat

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<v Speaker 1>because it's so weird to me because everything that you

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<v Speaker 1>hear nowadays from coaches and stuff like that about football

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<v Speaker 1>is that explosive is explosives. Explosives like big plays. If

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<v Speaker 1>you get one big play a drive, then usually you

0:20:28.800 --> 0:20:31.400
<v Speaker 1>are getting points from that drive. If you get two

0:20:31.480 --> 0:20:33.720
<v Speaker 1>big plays in a drive, you're in the end zone

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<v Speaker 1>like almost every time, right, Like that's how it works.

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<v Speaker 1>But this team is only getting in the end zone.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, when Marcus Jones Houses went out from forty

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<v Speaker 1>eight yards or the drive that they had against the

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<v Speaker 1>Raiders where they had a big passage of Kobe and

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<v Speaker 1>a big run by Remondra and it was like a

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<v Speaker 1>four play drive, right, Like, those are the drives where

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<v Speaker 1>they're scoring. Where they're not scoring is the eleven, twelve,

0:20:55.400 --> 0:20:58.520
<v Speaker 1>thirteen play drives because eventually they shoot themselves in the

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<v Speaker 1>foot and they go backwards, or they don't pick up

0:21:01.520 --> 0:21:03.960
<v Speaker 1>the third down, or they have a false start on

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<v Speaker 1>first and ten. Now it's first and fifteen and you're

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<v Speaker 1>playing behind the chains. So that's been the biggest issue

0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:10.800
<v Speaker 1>for the offense. Spend the issue, biggest issue for the

0:21:10.920 --> 0:21:14.120
<v Speaker 1>quarterback as well. And I don't know if that gets

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<v Speaker 1>better this year, but I do think that there is

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<v Speaker 1>some positives that we can take away and this is

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<v Speaker 1>what I wrote earlier in the week, from the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that the hard things they are actually doing right, Like

0:21:25.760 --> 0:21:29.240
<v Speaker 1>they're getting the big plays. He's making throws down the field,

0:21:29.560 --> 0:21:33.240
<v Speaker 1>he's making higher level throws down the field. But the

0:21:34.280 --> 0:21:36.440
<v Speaker 1>easy things is what they need to clean up, right,

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<v Speaker 1>first and ten, third and six, Like, it bugs me

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<v Speaker 1>to no end that third and six is such a

0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:45.080
<v Speaker 1>difficult down for this team. It shouldn't be right. They

0:21:45.119 --> 0:21:47.399
<v Speaker 1>should be able to move Third and six should be

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<v Speaker 1>like sixty percent of the time they converted. It's not

0:21:49.800 --> 0:21:52.320
<v Speaker 1>for the Patriots, so I can tell you how much

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<v Speaker 1>it is if we saw a little bit. Those are

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<v Speaker 1>the things that certainly stand out to you from this offense.

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<v Speaker 1>Another thing that I want to get to is before

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<v Speaker 1>we move over to defense really quickly. I have one

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<v Speaker 1>more point. You give yours five one more point on

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<v Speaker 1>the well, you go ahead, because this isn't like a

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<v Speaker 1>big picture Okay, so this isn't really a big picture

0:22:10.240 --> 0:22:14.359
<v Speaker 1>thing either. It's actually bringing back something that we had

0:22:14.400 --> 0:22:19.240
<v Speaker 1>talked about previously. Also, Patriots on third and six this year,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, you want to guess for the thirty

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<v Speaker 1>seven percent close, they're twenty sixth in the league. Thirty

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<v Speaker 1>five percent on the yeah, they're averaging five point four yards.

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<v Speaker 1>The twenty sixth ranking doesn't surprise me at all. Like

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<v Speaker 1>that third and six, especially with this quarterback, like I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like mac is should be able to pick those up, right.

0:22:40.320 --> 0:22:42.400
<v Speaker 1>We're not asking him to pick up third and fifteen,

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<v Speaker 1>where you know, you might have to go extended play,

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<v Speaker 1>or you might have to go with a big throw

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<v Speaker 1>down the field or something like that. Off platform no,

0:22:49.840 --> 0:22:52.480
<v Speaker 1>we're just asking you to pick pick up seven. Actually, sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>that was the total third down It's a twenty six

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<v Speaker 1>point three percent even lower twenty eight, twenty eighth in

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<v Speaker 1>the league, although they are a head of directly ahead

0:23:01.240 --> 0:23:05.439
<v Speaker 1>of the Cincinnati Bengals. That's surprising. And then the Browns

0:23:05.520 --> 0:23:08.399
<v Speaker 1>Coltson in Washington. But the thing I wanted to bring

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<v Speaker 1>up here, Evan, we talked about this and it was

0:23:10.240 --> 0:23:13.000
<v Speaker 1>probably more of a fair point at the time than

0:23:13.080 --> 0:23:16.320
<v Speaker 1>I allowed it to be. I was just in my

0:23:16.400 --> 0:23:18.200
<v Speaker 1>fields about the game. And this was after the minutes

0:23:18.520 --> 0:23:21.440
<v Speaker 1>said after before the Minnesota game when you talked about

0:23:21.520 --> 0:23:24.000
<v Speaker 1>Mac needs to put together the drive, right, Yes, and

0:23:24.800 --> 0:23:28.560
<v Speaker 1>this isn't quite that drive. But how many times this

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<v Speaker 1>year have the Patriots, whether it's to go ahead or

0:23:31.240 --> 0:23:33.239
<v Speaker 1>to put a game away, right, we've talked about can

0:23:33.280 --> 0:23:35.800
<v Speaker 1>they put that drive together? Can Mac put that drive

0:23:35.840 --> 0:23:38.160
<v Speaker 1>together late in the game to at least seal the game?

0:23:38.200 --> 0:23:41.359
<v Speaker 1>If not? Right? And look, the level of difficulty on

0:23:41.440 --> 0:23:43.359
<v Speaker 1>this one is not as high as maybe some of

0:23:43.400 --> 0:23:46.920
<v Speaker 1>the other examples. But in this game against the Dolphins,

0:23:47.160 --> 0:23:51.680
<v Speaker 1>Marcus Jones makes a great open field tackle on Tyreek Hill. Sorry,

0:23:51.680 --> 0:23:54.359
<v Speaker 1>Miles Bryant. Yeah, Miles Bryant makes a great open field

0:23:54.359 --> 0:23:56.320
<v Speaker 1>tackle on Tyree Hills. So credits Miles Briant. He had

0:23:56.359 --> 0:23:58.720
<v Speaker 1>a great game in this one. Patriots get the ball

0:23:58.800 --> 0:24:01.600
<v Speaker 1>back with about ten minutes to They're up sixteen fourteen,

0:24:01.680 --> 0:24:05.240
<v Speaker 1>so still very close. They then go eighty nine yards

0:24:05.320 --> 0:24:08.440
<v Speaker 1>and eleven plays, take five minutes off the clock, and

0:24:08.560 --> 0:24:11.160
<v Speaker 1>that's the drive that ended with that Jakobe Myers jump

0:24:11.240 --> 0:24:15.440
<v Speaker 1>all touchdown DPI on the sideline. But Mac on this

0:24:15.640 --> 0:24:19.800
<v Speaker 1>drive Kendrick Bourne for sixteen yards incomplete to Kendrick Bourne,

0:24:20.240 --> 0:24:23.240
<v Speaker 1>Stevenson for five yards, throws it deep to Jacobe for

0:24:23.320 --> 0:24:25.119
<v Speaker 1>twenty five yards. I think that's the throw that you

0:24:25.200 --> 0:24:28.359
<v Speaker 1>shared on Twitter up on the wheel route. Then they

0:24:28.440 --> 0:24:31.159
<v Speaker 1>run with Hermandre. Mac does the QB sneak, gets it

0:24:31.200 --> 0:24:33.159
<v Speaker 1>to Hunter Henry for four yards to pick up the

0:24:33.200 --> 0:24:35.880
<v Speaker 1>first down. On second and two, one yard one run

0:24:35.960 --> 0:24:39.520
<v Speaker 1>for Rmandre. You get to pass interference one more incompletion

0:24:40.000 --> 0:24:42.200
<v Speaker 1>Damian Harris down to the goal line and then Mac

0:24:42.240 --> 0:24:44.960
<v Speaker 1>makes the adjustment on that final play to get Jakobe

0:24:45.000 --> 0:24:47.880
<v Speaker 1>Myers for the touchdown. Again, it's not Tom Brady against

0:24:47.880 --> 0:24:51.920
<v Speaker 1>the Rams of two thousand and one, but that it's

0:24:51.920 --> 0:24:54.160
<v Speaker 1>a glimpse into kind of that drive we've been waiting

0:24:54.200 --> 0:24:56.719
<v Speaker 1>for Mac to put together. It feels like the game

0:24:56.760 --> 0:24:58.879
<v Speaker 1>awards that, Yeah, they put We've been waiting for that

0:24:58.960 --> 0:25:03.199
<v Speaker 1>putaway drive. Eleven plays, eighty nine yards, five minutes up

0:25:03.280 --> 0:25:08.040
<v Speaker 1>two that's a put away drive to me. And honestly, look,

0:25:08.080 --> 0:25:09.720
<v Speaker 1>I know what they did against the Bengals at the

0:25:09.800 --> 0:25:13.440
<v Speaker 1>end of the game wasn't wasn't the drive that we

0:25:13.520 --> 0:25:16.840
<v Speaker 1>are looking for, especially almost was almost was. But they also,

0:25:17.320 --> 0:25:19.840
<v Speaker 1>let's not forget and I'm not saying they played well

0:25:19.920 --> 0:25:21.920
<v Speaker 1>for the majority of the Raiders game, but they put

0:25:21.960 --> 0:25:24.520
<v Speaker 1>the Patriots up twenty four seventeen in the Raiders game too,

0:25:25.440 --> 0:25:28.320
<v Speaker 1>So they've had some of that later game that they've

0:25:28.359 --> 0:25:31.679
<v Speaker 1>made some of that happened a little bit more Babe recently.

0:25:31.720 --> 0:25:34.080
<v Speaker 1>I know the Bengals game kind of stands out as

0:25:34.119 --> 0:25:36.440
<v Speaker 1>a well, we have that one in there, so let's

0:25:36.480 --> 0:25:39.359
<v Speaker 1>not forget about that. But they've been doing a little

0:25:39.359 --> 0:25:43.600
<v Speaker 1>bit more. I come back to though, like we were

0:25:43.680 --> 0:25:46.800
<v Speaker 1>just mentioning the non explosives part of your offense, just

0:25:47.840 --> 0:25:50.639
<v Speaker 1>converting first and ten into second and three, right, and

0:25:50.800 --> 0:25:53.720
<v Speaker 1>converting second and three into a first down and third

0:25:53.760 --> 0:25:56.080
<v Speaker 1>and six and two a first down, like these situational

0:25:56.200 --> 0:26:00.800
<v Speaker 1>things that should be easier than they are for this offense.

0:26:01.359 --> 0:26:03.920
<v Speaker 1>And I think the big picture takeaway from all of

0:26:04.000 --> 0:26:08.200
<v Speaker 1>it is that I still don't know what their identity

0:26:08.400 --> 0:26:12.359
<v Speaker 1>is as an offense. I don't know on first down,

0:26:13.920 --> 0:26:16.199
<v Speaker 1>what are you coming out in, Like, what's your grouping,

0:26:16.880 --> 0:26:19.240
<v Speaker 1>what's the play call? Like? I think they want it

0:26:19.320 --> 0:26:21.199
<v Speaker 1>to be spread, quick game, Like. I think that that's

0:26:21.240 --> 0:26:23.680
<v Speaker 1>what they want it to be. But the quarterback I

0:26:23.720 --> 0:26:26.000
<v Speaker 1>don't think has done a great job with it. Quite

0:26:26.040 --> 0:26:29.080
<v Speaker 1>frankly in recent weeks. I think that that's what they

0:26:29.160 --> 0:26:32.320
<v Speaker 1>want their first and ten identity to be is Mac

0:26:32.359 --> 0:26:35.800
<v Speaker 1>and the gun, three wide, you know, eleven personnel. Let's

0:26:35.880 --> 0:26:38.480
<v Speaker 1>run quick game and let's get first and ten into

0:26:38.520 --> 0:26:40.359
<v Speaker 1>second and two, right, Like, I think that that's what

0:26:40.480 --> 0:26:43.360
<v Speaker 1>they want it, which is a good plan. Yeah, it's

0:26:43.359 --> 0:26:47.399
<v Speaker 1>a fine plan. You know. For McDaniels, it's probably under center,

0:26:47.440 --> 0:26:50.679
<v Speaker 1>play action, full back, you know that sort of thing, right,

0:26:50.760 --> 0:26:53.200
<v Speaker 1>that's sort of the identity. But if this is gonna

0:26:53.240 --> 0:26:56.119
<v Speaker 1>be your first down identity, quick game, spread, all that,

0:26:56.440 --> 0:26:59.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm fine with it. But you obviously you gotta be

0:26:59.520 --> 0:27:01.800
<v Speaker 1>really good at executing that if that's your identity, right

0:27:01.920 --> 0:27:05.040
<v Speaker 1>The Patriots are great at lead the full back through

0:27:05.119 --> 0:27:08.320
<v Speaker 1>the whole play action, hit, hit the crosser behind the linebacker,

0:27:08.440 --> 0:27:10.680
<v Speaker 1>right like, that was their offense and they were great

0:27:10.720 --> 0:27:13.040
<v Speaker 1>at it. They're not great at what they want their

0:27:13.119 --> 0:27:15.320
<v Speaker 1>identity to be right now, and that's why their offense

0:27:15.480 --> 0:27:18.760
<v Speaker 1>is so Jacqueline. I think a lot of that offense

0:27:18.880 --> 0:27:21.480
<v Speaker 1>is spacing. If you're gonna be if you're not gonna

0:27:21.520 --> 0:27:24.919
<v Speaker 1>stretch the field horizontally, you have to stretch it vertically

0:27:24.920 --> 0:27:27.120
<v Speaker 1>because there's less planes to work with, right and yeah,

0:27:27.320 --> 0:27:30.359
<v Speaker 1>when I say planes, like you can have two guys

0:27:30.840 --> 0:27:35.120
<v Speaker 1>who are on the same plane horizontally if one guy's

0:27:35.160 --> 0:27:37.520
<v Speaker 1>five yards down field, one guy's twenty five yards down right, right,

0:27:37.520 --> 0:27:40.080
<v Speaker 1>because they're not near each other. But if you're gonna say, hey,

0:27:40.119 --> 0:27:42.200
<v Speaker 1>we're only gonna work with ten to fifteen yards of

0:27:42.240 --> 0:27:46.120
<v Speaker 1>the field, there's ways to do that, but it has

0:27:46.200 --> 0:27:48.520
<v Speaker 1>to be spaced out correctly because you're gonna run into

0:27:48.560 --> 0:27:51.800
<v Speaker 1>situations like we saw early in that in that Bengals game,

0:27:51.880 --> 0:27:53.560
<v Speaker 1>right where receivers are on top of them, or like

0:27:54.320 --> 0:27:57.120
<v Speaker 1>Smith gets a concussion because Kendrick board runs is right

0:27:57.200 --> 0:28:00.320
<v Speaker 1>on top of them in a Quick Games style type

0:28:00.320 --> 0:28:03.520
<v Speaker 1>of concept. Yeah, and Mac just throws it not thinking

0:28:03.600 --> 0:28:05.840
<v Speaker 1>Kendrick Bourne's going to be on top of Johnny and

0:28:06.200 --> 0:28:08.040
<v Speaker 1>he gets sandwiched. Like, those are the things that you

0:28:08.119 --> 0:28:10.440
<v Speaker 1>can't have with it. You have to have the quarterback

0:28:10.520 --> 0:28:13.000
<v Speaker 1>has to read out the underneath coverage properly and get

0:28:13.040 --> 0:28:15.400
<v Speaker 1>the ball to the open guy. You know, those types

0:28:15.440 --> 0:28:17.160
<v Speaker 1>of things have to happen if you're gonna be good

0:28:17.240 --> 0:28:19.200
<v Speaker 1>quick game offense. And I don't mind quick game, you

0:28:19.240 --> 0:28:22.960
<v Speaker 1>know I quick game RPO. If that's their early downe identity,

0:28:23.000 --> 0:28:26.720
<v Speaker 1>I don't mind it. They're just not executing it well. Right,

0:28:27.359 --> 0:28:31.160
<v Speaker 1>But that almost gives you a hope moving forwards, because

0:28:31.200 --> 0:28:33.280
<v Speaker 1>it's like, hey, the pieces look like they're all there.

0:28:33.400 --> 0:28:35.600
<v Speaker 1>The idea behind it is not terrible. And I know

0:28:35.680 --> 0:28:39.320
<v Speaker 1>I in Windows. We've seen them do it in Windows,

0:28:39.360 --> 0:28:41.040
<v Speaker 1>so it's like it's not like they can't execute it.

0:28:41.080 --> 0:28:43.640
<v Speaker 1>It's not like they're not talented enough to execute it. Yeah. Right,

0:28:43.880 --> 0:28:46.360
<v Speaker 1>final point here about the offense, which is kind of

0:28:46.360 --> 0:28:48.080
<v Speaker 1>sprinting it forward to the Bills game here, and then

0:28:48.160 --> 0:28:53.080
<v Speaker 1>we got to talk defense in this Bills game. And

0:28:53.280 --> 0:28:55.920
<v Speaker 1>look I know that there's a ton of non football

0:28:56.000 --> 0:28:59.560
<v Speaker 1>stuff about this Bills game. We don't know Buffalo's mindset,

0:28:59.680 --> 0:29:01.880
<v Speaker 1>we don't know if this game's even gonna be played

0:29:01.960 --> 0:29:03.960
<v Speaker 1>right now, But just operating under the assumption that they're

0:29:03.960 --> 0:29:06.040
<v Speaker 1>going to kick off at one o'clock on Sunday and

0:29:06.160 --> 0:29:08.040
<v Speaker 1>the Bills are going to be the Bills. Yeah, just

0:29:08.200 --> 0:29:11.520
<v Speaker 1>operating off of that. This is a game to me

0:29:11.760 --> 0:29:15.440
<v Speaker 1>where you kind of have to let Mac try to

0:29:15.520 --> 0:29:18.280
<v Speaker 1>cook a little bit. Like, I just don't think you're

0:29:18.320 --> 0:29:21.440
<v Speaker 1>gonna We know about the sideline outburst the last time

0:29:21.480 --> 0:29:23.960
<v Speaker 1>around on the Thursday night game, quick game. I'm not

0:29:24.040 --> 0:29:26.360
<v Speaker 1>going to use the profanity, but you know we all

0:29:26.440 --> 0:29:30.040
<v Speaker 1>remember what he said, right, And I just don't think

0:29:30.080 --> 0:29:33.680
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna beat this Bill's team because you're going to

0:29:33.840 --> 0:29:35.640
<v Speaker 1>have to score in the twenties to get a win

0:29:36.120 --> 0:29:39.600
<v Speaker 1>at least. And I'm giving the defensive end of the

0:29:39.840 --> 0:29:42.960
<v Speaker 1>fit of the doubt that they can hold Buffalo to

0:29:43.160 --> 0:29:46.360
<v Speaker 1>thirty or under. Right, I think they can, But they

0:29:46.400 --> 0:29:49.520
<v Speaker 1>are gonna, right, That's why I think they can. But

0:29:49.680 --> 0:29:52.440
<v Speaker 1>they have to score twenty seven, right, they are. It

0:29:52.520 --> 0:29:55.080
<v Speaker 1>has to be thirty to twenty seven or twenty seven

0:29:55.200 --> 0:29:57.120
<v Speaker 1>twenty four or something like that, they're not going to

0:29:57.160 --> 0:30:01.640
<v Speaker 1>win this game in the teens, and to play conservatively

0:30:01.760 --> 0:30:03.600
<v Speaker 1>like they did on that Thursday night game where they're

0:30:03.640 --> 0:30:05.360
<v Speaker 1>running quick game and they're trying to run the ball

0:30:05.440 --> 0:30:07.800
<v Speaker 1>like you're not going to keep up with Buffalo on

0:30:07.840 --> 0:30:10.560
<v Speaker 1>the scoreboard like that. And I think that they've shown

0:30:10.760 --> 0:30:15.360
<v Speaker 1>enough over the last couple of weeks opening up the

0:30:15.440 --> 0:30:17.600
<v Speaker 1>passing offense and throwing the ball down the field a

0:30:17.640 --> 0:30:22.120
<v Speaker 1>little bit more that to give the coaches confidence that

0:30:22.200 --> 0:30:24.280
<v Speaker 1>they could do it right, that Matt can put the

0:30:24.320 --> 0:30:27.400
<v Speaker 1>ball on people, that the receivers can get open, that

0:30:27.520 --> 0:30:29.680
<v Speaker 1>the line can hold up well enough to give those

0:30:29.760 --> 0:30:32.280
<v Speaker 1>opportunities a chance to get down the field. And I

0:30:32.360 --> 0:30:35.800
<v Speaker 1>think that they've shown enough explosiveness over the last couple

0:30:35.840 --> 0:30:39.440
<v Speaker 1>of weeks to keep trying to do that. Because if

0:30:39.480 --> 0:30:41.520
<v Speaker 1>you go into this Bills game and you try to

0:30:41.880 --> 0:30:44.200
<v Speaker 1>go back to that Thursday night game plan and you're

0:30:44.640 --> 0:30:47.920
<v Speaker 1>trying to throw beat Josh Allen with six yard passes

0:30:47.960 --> 0:30:50.160
<v Speaker 1>down the field, and I know he doesn't play defense,

0:30:50.240 --> 0:30:52.000
<v Speaker 1>but the point is is that you have to score

0:30:52.320 --> 0:30:54.480
<v Speaker 1>trying to go punch for punch with him. Yeah, I

0:30:54.640 --> 0:30:56.840
<v Speaker 1>just don't think that you can hang that way. And

0:30:56.920 --> 0:30:58.720
<v Speaker 1>I would much rather if they're gonna lose and they're

0:30:58.720 --> 0:31:00.880
<v Speaker 1>gonna miss out on the playoffs, like I would much

0:31:00.960 --> 0:31:02.920
<v Speaker 1>rather than go down swinging. Well, that's kind of what

0:31:03.000 --> 0:31:06.400
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say. You know, on what hand, what

0:31:06.520 --> 0:31:08.560
<v Speaker 1>do you have to lose a playoff spot? And that's

0:31:08.960 --> 0:31:12.320
<v Speaker 1>something very significant to lose, right, I am well documented

0:31:12.440 --> 0:31:15.160
<v Speaker 1>is in being in the crowd of you people are

0:31:15.360 --> 0:31:17.560
<v Speaker 1>lunatics for wanting the team to miss the playoffs. Yeah,

0:31:17.800 --> 0:31:22.440
<v Speaker 1>but you just like you said, you're not gonna beat

0:31:22.600 --> 0:31:26.880
<v Speaker 1>Josh Allen in the Bills trying to win this game

0:31:27.840 --> 0:31:30.480
<v Speaker 1>sixteen fourteen, twenty three, twenty one, right, Like that's what

0:31:30.600 --> 0:31:33.840
<v Speaker 1>they did last week. Yeah, hold on tight, get that

0:31:33.920 --> 0:31:36.240
<v Speaker 1>scare on defense, and just grind it out. I think

0:31:36.280 --> 0:31:38.120
<v Speaker 1>that's what they wanted to do on that Thursday night

0:31:38.160 --> 0:31:39.520
<v Speaker 1>game too, to be honest with you, I think they

0:31:39.560 --> 0:31:43.160
<v Speaker 1>wanted them to elongate the game, right and the short game,

0:31:43.240 --> 0:31:44.920
<v Speaker 1>which which you do need to do against this team

0:31:44.920 --> 0:31:46.560
<v Speaker 1>to an extent. Yeah, you do need to do if

0:31:46.600 --> 0:31:48.400
<v Speaker 1>you're playing the Bills, and I've talked about this before,

0:31:48.680 --> 0:31:50.640
<v Speaker 1>you need to shrink their margin for error. That all

0:31:50.760 --> 0:31:53.920
<v Speaker 1>still stands from a defensive point of view, right, But

0:31:55.160 --> 0:31:57.040
<v Speaker 1>you do need to take some shots. You just do

0:31:57.320 --> 0:32:00.400
<v Speaker 1>you need. You can only beat the Bills their own

0:32:00.560 --> 0:32:02.120
<v Speaker 1>like you can only beat the Bills if you give

0:32:02.160 --> 0:32:03.920
<v Speaker 1>them a taste their own medicine a little bit. Yeah,

0:32:03.960 --> 0:32:06.400
<v Speaker 1>and it's much easier said than done. But I'm not

0:32:06.520 --> 0:32:09.440
<v Speaker 1>saying come out and be the Chiefs and run four

0:32:09.560 --> 0:32:12.800
<v Speaker 1>verticals NonStop. But you got to have a couple plays

0:32:12.840 --> 0:32:14.680
<v Speaker 1>in there that you're willing to kind of let it loose.

0:32:14.840 --> 0:32:18.560
<v Speaker 1>And this to go back to Miami game as well,

0:32:19.200 --> 0:32:21.960
<v Speaker 1>something we saw in that game that they haven't done

0:32:22.000 --> 0:32:24.520
<v Speaker 1>a lot this year. They've been very conservative this year

0:32:24.560 --> 0:32:28.560
<v Speaker 1>as a whole offensively on second and short. There's been

0:32:28.600 --> 0:32:30.320
<v Speaker 1>a lot of times where they get into second and one,

0:32:30.400 --> 0:32:33.760
<v Speaker 1>second and two and right run the ball. They've run

0:32:33.800 --> 0:32:37.160
<v Speaker 1>a number of quarterback steaks in that situation and sometimes

0:32:37.200 --> 0:32:39.160
<v Speaker 1>they get it, sometimes they don't. But that's a great

0:32:39.280 --> 0:32:42.080
<v Speaker 1>down to take a shot because the other team really

0:32:42.160 --> 0:32:45.880
<v Speaker 1>has to defend everything. Yeah, everything's on the table and

0:32:46.040 --> 0:32:49.440
<v Speaker 1>you're third and two, which is should be converted rights.

0:32:50.480 --> 0:32:52.680
<v Speaker 1>But the idea is now you have teams suckered in

0:32:52.800 --> 0:32:55.720
<v Speaker 1>where your tendencies what they're looking at when they get

0:32:55.800 --> 0:32:59.560
<v Speaker 1>that scouting report skew heavily towards Hey, they're probably gonna

0:32:59.560 --> 0:33:02.719
<v Speaker 1>be conserve here. Yeah. On second and two and they

0:33:02.800 --> 0:33:06.000
<v Speaker 1>had three second and shorts against the Dolphins. Two of

0:33:06.040 --> 0:33:07.880
<v Speaker 1>them they threw down the field, once to Myers, once

0:33:07.960 --> 0:33:10.640
<v Speaker 1>to Thornton. The one to Thornton was incomplete, the one

0:33:10.680 --> 0:33:14.640
<v Speaker 1>to Myers was complete, and then there was a third

0:33:14.680 --> 0:33:16.480
<v Speaker 1>and two the second and two on that drive we

0:33:16.560 --> 0:33:19.000
<v Speaker 1>just talked about where they did do the quarterback sneak,

0:33:19.080 --> 0:33:23.400
<v Speaker 1>but more of that mentality. You know, if you and

0:33:23.480 --> 0:33:24.600
<v Speaker 1>first of all, I get to get in a second

0:33:24.640 --> 0:33:26.600
<v Speaker 1>and two, and we talked about that, but if you

0:33:26.640 --> 0:33:29.720
<v Speaker 1>can get in a second and one, two, three, take

0:33:29.840 --> 0:33:32.040
<v Speaker 1>some shots on those downs. Yeah, And I think that

0:33:32.200 --> 0:33:34.479
<v Speaker 1>that's if they can do that and they can convert

0:33:34.560 --> 0:33:37.720
<v Speaker 1>on those it sounds like a little thing. I'm talking

0:33:37.760 --> 0:33:41.040
<v Speaker 1>about a very specific situation here. You know, they ran

0:33:41.120 --> 0:33:44.160
<v Speaker 1>how many plays fifty sixty plays against Miami. I'm talking about,

0:33:44.600 --> 0:33:46.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, three plays in a fifty game script, a

0:33:46.960 --> 0:33:49.720
<v Speaker 1>sixty game script. They ran fifty seven. I'm talking about

0:33:49.760 --> 0:33:52.000
<v Speaker 1>three plays in a fifty seven play script. Yeah, but

0:33:53.120 --> 0:33:56.400
<v Speaker 1>those can be impact plays. Those can be game changing plays.

0:33:56.800 --> 0:33:58.880
<v Speaker 1>So that's something i'd like to see. We saw it

0:33:58.920 --> 0:34:01.000
<v Speaker 1>for the first time last week. I'd like to see

0:34:01.000 --> 0:34:03.280
<v Speaker 1>if that carries over now. This has kind of been

0:34:03.320 --> 0:34:05.080
<v Speaker 1>a theme this year where they do something and it

0:34:05.120 --> 0:34:07.640
<v Speaker 1>looks encouraging and we maybe don't see it again. Well,

0:34:07.680 --> 0:34:10.600
<v Speaker 1>that's the thing that goes back to the identity thing,

0:34:10.760 --> 0:34:15.640
<v Speaker 1>right that I think sometimes this offense and this team

0:34:15.680 --> 0:34:19.840
<v Speaker 1>on offense this year gets too caught up in game plan, right, like,

0:34:19.920 --> 0:34:21.680
<v Speaker 1>what's the best thing to do against this team? Well,

0:34:22.200 --> 0:34:25.040
<v Speaker 1>you got to do what's what you can do best sometimes, right,

0:34:25.280 --> 0:34:28.680
<v Speaker 1>and what you've consistently been able to execute, and not

0:34:28.800 --> 0:34:31.239
<v Speaker 1>worry so much about it, especially when you're twenty six

0:34:31.320 --> 0:34:34.399
<v Speaker 1>in the league in DVOA and any one, you're one

0:34:34.520 --> 0:34:36.560
<v Speaker 1>scoring drive per game for the most part, right, Like,

0:34:36.600 --> 0:34:38.879
<v Speaker 1>you're not a good offense right now. So to get

0:34:38.960 --> 0:34:41.200
<v Speaker 1>caught up in all, well, this is a zone team

0:34:41.239 --> 0:34:43.000
<v Speaker 1>and they blitz or they don't blitz, or they this

0:34:43.200 --> 0:34:45.680
<v Speaker 1>or they that. Like, I just think it's too it's

0:34:45.760 --> 0:34:48.399
<v Speaker 1>over complicating things sometimes where you just need to run

0:34:48.520 --> 0:34:51.200
<v Speaker 1>your stuff, Like one, run the plays that you feel

0:34:51.280 --> 0:34:54.200
<v Speaker 1>confident in, that you feel good at and I think

0:34:54.239 --> 0:34:56.080
<v Speaker 1>that goes back to this game. I also you mentioned

0:34:56.120 --> 0:34:59.160
<v Speaker 1>the second down player they threw incomplete the Thornton. That

0:34:59.280 --> 0:35:01.719
<v Speaker 1>one was from like the thirty five or thirty six

0:35:01.840 --> 0:35:03.799
<v Speaker 1>yard line and it went into the end zone right

0:35:03.800 --> 0:35:07.120
<v Speaker 1>to throw it. I love that because, yeah, it was

0:35:07.160 --> 0:35:09.920
<v Speaker 1>incomplete on that play. But I love the idea of

0:35:10.040 --> 0:35:12.919
<v Speaker 1>taking shots from the fringe read zone right right, because

0:35:12.920 --> 0:35:14.759
<v Speaker 1>it's not good in the red zone. So what's the

0:35:14.840 --> 0:35:16.640
<v Speaker 1>point of getting into the red zone? Like, there's no

0:35:17.080 --> 0:35:21.120
<v Speaker 1>so I would I've been harping all year long from

0:35:21.400 --> 0:35:23.960
<v Speaker 1>the twenty five yard line. Can we just throw it

0:35:24.040 --> 0:35:26.000
<v Speaker 1>into the end zone from the twenty five because there's

0:35:26.040 --> 0:35:29.160
<v Speaker 1>more space obviously, right, So there's easier it should be

0:35:29.320 --> 0:35:31.759
<v Speaker 1>technically an easier access, and maybe you get it down

0:35:31.840 --> 0:35:34.680
<v Speaker 1>to the one yard line on a DPI like on

0:35:34.719 --> 0:35:37.840
<v Speaker 1>the Jacobe Myers right, and now all of a sudden,

0:35:37.880 --> 0:35:39.759
<v Speaker 1>it's a little bit easier and you're not trying to

0:35:39.880 --> 0:35:42.160
<v Speaker 1>drive it in the red zone anymore. Right, You're not

0:35:42.400 --> 0:35:44.959
<v Speaker 1>first in ten or first and goal from the nine.

0:35:45.080 --> 0:35:47.319
<v Speaker 1>You're first and goal from the two, And that makes

0:35:47.360 --> 0:35:49.799
<v Speaker 1>things a whole lot easier for the offense at that point.

0:35:49.920 --> 0:35:51.680
<v Speaker 1>And it's something we know this offense can do. They

0:35:51.719 --> 0:35:53.440
<v Speaker 1>do it last year with Hunter Henry from like that

0:35:53.680 --> 0:35:57.480
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty five yard line range, he was automatic. Yeah

0:35:57.600 --> 0:35:59.560
<v Speaker 1>in that range. All right, we got more to defense

0:35:59.560 --> 0:36:04.399
<v Speaker 1>because we got Bill coming up at eleven forty five things,

0:36:04.400 --> 0:36:09.320
<v Speaker 1>so we got we gotta move defense first and foremost.

0:36:09.560 --> 0:36:12.319
<v Speaker 1>I I want to talk about this game and give

0:36:12.400 --> 0:36:14.200
<v Speaker 1>them credit for this game because I thought they did

0:36:14.520 --> 0:36:16.160
<v Speaker 1>this was the best job. And I know that they

0:36:16.200 --> 0:36:20.400
<v Speaker 1>played backup quarterback, but still I go watch you know,

0:36:20.520 --> 0:36:23.719
<v Speaker 1>Teddy Bridgewater and Skyler Thompson against Minnesota earlier this year,

0:36:23.760 --> 0:36:26.200
<v Speaker 1>they lit them up, right, So just because they play

0:36:26.280 --> 0:36:30.200
<v Speaker 1>these two backup quarterbacks, I don't think we can write

0:36:30.200 --> 0:36:33.239
<v Speaker 1>off everything that they did. I want to give them

0:36:33.280 --> 0:36:35.480
<v Speaker 1>credit because I thought this was probably the best game

0:36:35.560 --> 0:36:40.480
<v Speaker 1>that they had this year at handling a number one

0:36:40.560 --> 0:36:43.080
<v Speaker 1>elite receiver and Tyree Hill and and really in a

0:36:43.200 --> 0:36:45.680
<v Speaker 1>number one elite receiver in Jalen Waddle as well. Right,

0:36:45.760 --> 0:36:48.960
<v Speaker 1>you could those two guys combined I believe had under

0:36:48.960 --> 0:36:51.000
<v Speaker 1>one hundred yards in this game, or right around one

0:36:51.080 --> 0:36:52.680
<v Speaker 1>hundred yards. And look, I don't care who the backup

0:36:52.760 --> 0:36:55.120
<v Speaker 1>quarterbacks are, those guys are still run they're gonna run

0:36:55.160 --> 0:37:00.400
<v Speaker 1>their routes less, right, They're gonna run less like technically

0:37:00.440 --> 0:37:03.080
<v Speaker 1>sound right, right, Because it's a backup quarterback, they're sticking

0:37:03.120 --> 0:37:05.120
<v Speaker 1>with those guys in coverage. It doesn't matter who the

0:37:05.200 --> 0:37:07.080
<v Speaker 1>quarterback is at that point. Right. So they've played a

0:37:07.120 --> 0:37:10.040
<v Speaker 1>lot of this zone coverage, and I think there is

0:37:10.080 --> 0:37:14.359
<v Speaker 1>something to be said. I believe. I'm trying to remember

0:37:14.360 --> 0:37:17.520
<v Speaker 1>the staff the top of my head since the Bills

0:37:17.600 --> 0:37:21.040
<v Speaker 1>game in Week thirteen, where they've played teams like the Bills,

0:37:21.360 --> 0:37:24.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, they've played obviously the Bengals, the Dolphins like

0:37:24.880 --> 0:37:28.800
<v Speaker 1>these good passing games. Right, they are zone coverage on

0:37:28.920 --> 0:37:31.520
<v Speaker 1>like eighty five percent of their downs. They don't play

0:37:31.560 --> 0:37:35.280
<v Speaker 1>man anymore. They just don't. And that's that's fine. It's

0:37:35.280 --> 0:37:37.319
<v Speaker 1>because they don't trust the corners, right. You know they

0:37:37.400 --> 0:37:40.520
<v Speaker 1>have Tay Hayes, you know, playing out there at corner,

0:37:40.800 --> 0:37:42.440
<v Speaker 1>who's been on the team for three days. You're not

0:37:42.480 --> 0:37:44.400
<v Speaker 1>going to go have him. Oh yeah, you got Jalen

0:37:44.480 --> 0:37:46.400
<v Speaker 1>wat right, you know you're not going to do that

0:37:46.480 --> 0:37:48.759
<v Speaker 1>as much now. I think there is something to be

0:37:48.840 --> 0:37:52.000
<v Speaker 1>said of can you do this against an elite quarterback?

0:37:52.080 --> 0:37:55.400
<v Speaker 1>Can you do this against Josh Allen on Sunday, where

0:37:56.040 --> 0:37:58.480
<v Speaker 1>a lot of what you're doing is, you know, they're

0:37:58.520 --> 0:38:00.920
<v Speaker 1>playing a lot more split safety, and they're spinning it right,

0:38:00.960 --> 0:38:03.239
<v Speaker 1>they're playing right, they're starting in two, they're making it

0:38:03.320 --> 0:38:06.680
<v Speaker 1>one and they're starting in one and they're making it happen. Right. Yeah,

0:38:06.840 --> 0:38:10.320
<v Speaker 1>they're just spinning the dial in zone against these quarterbacks.

0:38:10.360 --> 0:38:12.800
<v Speaker 1>And maybe that works against the Teddy Bridgewater, but it

0:38:12.880 --> 0:38:15.080
<v Speaker 1>doesn't work against the Joe Burrow, or maybe it works

0:38:15.120 --> 0:38:17.800
<v Speaker 1>against you know, a Derek Carr, but it might not

0:38:17.920 --> 0:38:21.520
<v Speaker 1>necessarily work against the Josh Allen. Well Alan historically better

0:38:21.560 --> 0:38:24.719
<v Speaker 1>against Man. Well, their receivers are just so good that

0:38:25.000 --> 0:38:27.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, if you want to try to cover Stefon

0:38:27.600 --> 0:38:30.200
<v Speaker 1>Digs in Man for four quarters like good, right, And

0:38:30.280 --> 0:38:32.239
<v Speaker 1>that's why I think a big reason why they're so good.

0:38:32.440 --> 0:38:35.520
<v Speaker 1>They're great against Man, they're great against post safety right

0:38:35.640 --> 0:38:39.200
<v Speaker 1>single high. They just shredded. They shred it. So what

0:38:39.400 --> 0:38:41.160
<v Speaker 1>they're trying to do, and this is the sort of

0:38:41.360 --> 0:38:43.759
<v Speaker 1>every single time I ask a player a coach about this,

0:38:43.960 --> 0:38:47.000
<v Speaker 1>is that they want offenses to have to march. They

0:38:47.080 --> 0:38:49.799
<v Speaker 1>want them to have to go on a fifteen play

0:38:49.880 --> 0:38:53.200
<v Speaker 1>touchdown drive instead of a five play touchdown driving. I

0:38:53.280 --> 0:38:56.839
<v Speaker 1>know that sounds obvious, but it's not how teams always play.

0:38:56.960 --> 0:38:59.120
<v Speaker 1>You know. Miami is a defense that tries to come

0:38:59.120 --> 0:39:01.719
<v Speaker 1>after your aggressive and they try to play aggressive. And

0:39:02.160 --> 0:39:05.120
<v Speaker 1>let's not confuse that with Ben don't Break, because that's

0:39:05.200 --> 0:39:07.879
<v Speaker 1>not it's not exactly the same thing. No, I don't

0:39:07.920 --> 0:39:09.880
<v Speaker 1>think so, because I think what they're trying to do

0:39:11.040 --> 0:39:14.120
<v Speaker 1>is get that mistake right. And I don't mean get

0:39:14.160 --> 0:39:16.080
<v Speaker 1>that mistake where they stall out in the red zone.

0:39:16.440 --> 0:39:19.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean get the Kyle Dugger picks. They know how

0:39:19.719 --> 0:39:24.279
<v Speaker 1>well the secondary ballhawks, and they are trying the more

0:39:24.440 --> 0:39:27.440
<v Speaker 1>throws you have to make in all these different looks.

0:39:27.560 --> 0:39:29.719
<v Speaker 1>They're basically just trying to make the quarterback dizzy. Yeah,

0:39:29.880 --> 0:39:32.880
<v Speaker 1>is ultimately what it is. Hey, you're gonna run fifteen plays,

0:39:33.600 --> 0:39:36.040
<v Speaker 1>You're gonna see fifteen different looks, right, and then you're

0:39:36.040 --> 0:39:37.520
<v Speaker 1>gonna come out on the next drive and you're gonna

0:39:37.520 --> 0:39:39.600
<v Speaker 1>have to guess what you're gonna see again. And it

0:39:39.800 --> 0:39:42.560
<v Speaker 1>just they are trying to force theseus. They are trying to,

0:39:43.040 --> 0:39:47.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, make these quarterbacks mentally malfunction right where it's

0:39:47.280 --> 0:39:49.719
<v Speaker 1>just just just data overload. And I think the other

0:39:49.840 --> 0:39:51.400
<v Speaker 1>thing that they're really trying to do, which they did

0:39:51.440 --> 0:39:54.200
<v Speaker 1>a really good job against Miami in this game, and

0:39:54.320 --> 0:39:57.200
<v Speaker 1>I think at times they did a good job against Buffalo.

0:39:57.320 --> 0:40:00.680
<v Speaker 1>And the first matchup is they're trying to get the

0:40:00.760 --> 0:40:03.080
<v Speaker 1>quarterback off the first read, right, and they know the

0:40:03.160 --> 0:40:05.120
<v Speaker 1>first read is gonna be Tyree kill or it's gonna

0:40:05.120 --> 0:40:07.640
<v Speaker 1>be Wattle, or it's gonna be Digs or something like that, right,

0:40:07.719 --> 0:40:10.560
<v Speaker 1>So if they can get the quarterback to hold the football,

0:40:10.920 --> 0:40:13.360
<v Speaker 1>and they haven't always done it right because the quarterbacks

0:40:13.480 --> 0:40:16.160
<v Speaker 1>that they've faced the Bridgewater in the beginning of this game,

0:40:16.719 --> 0:40:19.160
<v Speaker 1>they've done a nice job of just taking profits. Right. Okay,

0:40:19.160 --> 0:40:21.080
<v Speaker 1>if you're gonna back off and play zone, we're gonna

0:40:21.120 --> 0:40:24.560
<v Speaker 1>take the underneath stuff. But at the same time, I

0:40:24.719 --> 0:40:27.600
<v Speaker 1>think what they've been able to do at times successfully

0:40:28.320 --> 0:40:30.440
<v Speaker 1>is get the quarterback to hold the football and now

0:40:30.480 --> 0:40:32.680
<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, the quarterbacks holding the football and

0:40:32.920 --> 0:40:36.160
<v Speaker 1>Judon and uj and Barmore are coming after him and

0:40:36.200 --> 0:40:38.040
<v Speaker 1>they're able to get some pass rush going. And I

0:40:38.120 --> 0:40:39.880
<v Speaker 1>think that's sort of the key as well, or the

0:40:39.960 --> 0:40:41.800
<v Speaker 1>goal I want to talk about Kyle Duggers, Well, I

0:40:41.800 --> 0:40:43.400
<v Speaker 1>would just say that thing when it comes to the Bills,

0:40:43.440 --> 0:40:47.279
<v Speaker 1>And I say this all the time. They can get impatient. Yes,

0:40:47.880 --> 0:40:50.440
<v Speaker 1>they want to play their game. They want to be

0:40:50.520 --> 0:40:53.640
<v Speaker 1>the Globe trotters. They want that five play scoring drive

0:40:53.719 --> 0:40:57.239
<v Speaker 1>and something Josh Allen has done much better against the

0:40:57.280 --> 0:41:00.640
<v Speaker 1>Patriots than any other opponent. He seems to be more

0:41:00.680 --> 0:41:02.799
<v Speaker 1>willing to be patient against the Patriots than anybody else.

0:41:02.840 --> 0:41:05.319
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what it is. Yeah, it maybe it's

0:41:05.360 --> 0:41:09.120
<v Speaker 1>just Bill, but you watch him play, and you know,

0:41:09.400 --> 0:41:12.520
<v Speaker 1>like last year, right going into the game here, those

0:41:12.600 --> 0:41:14.200
<v Speaker 1>like three or four games before that, he was not

0:41:14.280 --> 0:41:16.080
<v Speaker 1>playing well. He had like a three pick game against

0:41:16.120 --> 0:41:18.240
<v Speaker 1>the Falcons, and it was the same thing because teams

0:41:18.280 --> 0:41:20.319
<v Speaker 1>are just baiting him into it. And then he came

0:41:20.360 --> 0:41:21.800
<v Speaker 1>here and he took checkdowns all day and he just

0:41:21.840 --> 0:41:23.239
<v Speaker 1>marched right up the field. They didn't seeven to have

0:41:23.239 --> 0:41:27.120
<v Speaker 1>an issue with it. So I like, he'll watch He'll

0:41:27.160 --> 0:41:30.440
<v Speaker 1>probably do that again. But Alan in this offense is

0:41:30.480 --> 0:41:32.279
<v Speaker 1>a group. You can make him patient and they will

0:41:32.360 --> 0:41:35.319
<v Speaker 1>eventually think, hey, we're talented, forget what they're giving us.

0:41:35.400 --> 0:41:38.160
<v Speaker 1>Let's try that deep shot and that will backfire on

0:41:38.239 --> 0:41:39.960
<v Speaker 1>them at times. It hasn't against the Patriots, but it

0:41:40.040 --> 0:41:44.680
<v Speaker 1>does against other teams. Yeah, on Kyle Dugger, he's very

0:41:44.760 --> 0:41:48.440
<v Speaker 1>good AFC Defensive Player of the Week ye Pro Bowl

0:41:48.480 --> 0:41:51.760
<v Speaker 1>snub his game, and I mean this as a compliment,

0:41:51.840 --> 0:41:54.120
<v Speaker 1>and I think people are gonna take it as an insult.

0:41:55.080 --> 0:41:57.680
<v Speaker 1>His game reminds me a lot of prime Jamie Collins

0:41:58.120 --> 0:42:03.319
<v Speaker 1>because he's got these unbelievable, unreal flashes right where he's

0:42:03.360 --> 0:42:06.560
<v Speaker 1>making these plays like the pick six where he jumps

0:42:06.600 --> 0:42:09.040
<v Speaker 1>a route, he drops off the line of scrimmage, from

0:42:09.080 --> 0:42:12.240
<v Speaker 1>the line of scrimmage, drops to depth, jumps the route,

0:42:12.440 --> 0:42:15.520
<v Speaker 1>and then has this ridiculous return where he's stiff arm

0:42:15.600 --> 0:42:17.960
<v Speaker 1>and guys and breaking tackles and things like that, and

0:42:18.120 --> 0:42:21.160
<v Speaker 1>you're like, holy crab, Like that's an all pro safety

0:42:21.200 --> 0:42:23.759
<v Speaker 1>type of play. Yeah. He also gets loose a little

0:42:23.800 --> 0:42:26.400
<v Speaker 1>bit uncoverage. Sometimes it gets lost in zone coverage, right,

0:42:26.440 --> 0:42:29.360
<v Speaker 1>and we'll give up some stuff. So the player that

0:42:29.440 --> 0:42:31.680
<v Speaker 1>actually gave up according to PFF, that gave up the

0:42:31.719 --> 0:42:34.719
<v Speaker 1>most yards and coverage in this game was Dugger. Okay, right,

0:42:34.800 --> 0:42:37.239
<v Speaker 1>so he has He's a boom er bust player right

0:42:37.280 --> 0:42:42.160
<v Speaker 1>now to a degree. But I still think that the

0:42:42.320 --> 0:42:45.319
<v Speaker 1>boom out in his case with the offense, I don't

0:42:45.320 --> 0:42:47.360
<v Speaker 1>think that's the case, right, I think the offense is

0:42:47.400 --> 0:42:50.479
<v Speaker 1>too much bust, But with Dugger, I think in his case,

0:42:50.800 --> 0:42:53.839
<v Speaker 1>the boom is certainly outweighing the bust. And I'll take

0:42:53.920 --> 0:42:56.400
<v Speaker 1>some of the bust for the pick sixes, especially with

0:42:56.560 --> 0:42:58.680
<v Speaker 1>this team because they need it right And and the

0:42:58.760 --> 0:43:00.840
<v Speaker 1>way he attacks the line of scrip image is tremendous,

0:43:00.880 --> 0:43:02.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, against the run, as a blitzer, all that

0:43:02.840 --> 0:43:06.000
<v Speaker 1>type of stuff. He's still is coming along a little bit.

0:43:06.080 --> 0:43:08.799
<v Speaker 1>I think in coverage, I still think that that's an

0:43:08.880 --> 0:43:12.600
<v Speaker 1>area of weakness of his game. But I think with

0:43:12.920 --> 0:43:17.040
<v Speaker 1>Jamie Collins in his prime, I still think Jamie Collins

0:43:17.080 --> 0:43:19.200
<v Speaker 1>was a great player, right, And I think Dugger's a

0:43:19.280 --> 0:43:23.120
<v Speaker 1>good player. So I think some of that conversation of

0:43:23.320 --> 0:43:26.840
<v Speaker 1>well is he really you know, as he overrated? Is

0:43:26.880 --> 0:43:31.600
<v Speaker 1>he good? You know whatever? I think too. I don't

0:43:31.640 --> 0:43:35.879
<v Speaker 1>know if that's really fair to him to be like, oh, well,

0:43:35.960 --> 0:43:38.800
<v Speaker 1>he gave up all these yards in coverage. But they're

0:43:38.840 --> 0:43:41.960
<v Speaker 1>asking him to go and make make plays on the ball.

0:43:42.080 --> 0:43:45.080
<v Speaker 1>They're not asking him to be Gilani to buy where

0:43:45.080 --> 0:43:47.239
<v Speaker 1>you're just playing your role, like he's got to make

0:43:47.400 --> 0:43:50.279
<v Speaker 1>big time impact plays. And I think sometimes we fall

0:43:50.360 --> 0:43:53.719
<v Speaker 1>into this as well with Judon, where you know, maybe

0:43:53.760 --> 0:43:56.080
<v Speaker 1>he lets the quarterback out of the pocket once every

0:43:56.120 --> 0:43:59.840
<v Speaker 1>ten times, but the Patriots they don't need him to

0:44:00.160 --> 0:44:03.520
<v Speaker 1>just like push the pocket and collapse it, right. They

0:44:03.680 --> 0:44:05.840
<v Speaker 1>need jude On to go out and get sacks, and

0:44:05.960 --> 0:44:08.920
<v Speaker 1>go out and get and get force takeaways and force

0:44:09.080 --> 0:44:13.120
<v Speaker 1>big game changing games, swinging drive swinging plays in the

0:44:13.239 --> 0:44:15.920
<v Speaker 1>defense's favor, and I think dugger falls into that category

0:44:15.960 --> 0:44:17.680
<v Speaker 1>as well. So you're knock is basically that he's not

0:44:17.920 --> 0:44:21.719
<v Speaker 1>ed Reid, which like isn't wrong. But if that's the

0:44:21.800 --> 0:44:23.520
<v Speaker 1>worst thing he can say about the guy, he's pretty

0:44:23.520 --> 0:44:25.840
<v Speaker 1>freaky good, right, I think. And I don't think he

0:44:25.920 --> 0:44:28.839
<v Speaker 1>quite has the interception numbers because he's not targeted as much.

0:44:29.120 --> 0:44:33.560
<v Speaker 1>But I know, I think that Duggard this year is

0:44:33.719 --> 0:44:35.960
<v Speaker 1>very similar to what j. C. Jackson was for this

0:44:36.080 --> 0:44:39.520
<v Speaker 1>defense last year, right where he's he's the turnover machine.

0:44:40.080 --> 0:44:42.640
<v Speaker 1>And well, it's funny you say that, because I think

0:44:43.120 --> 0:44:45.960
<v Speaker 1>some of what I see with him not necessarily in

0:44:46.160 --> 0:44:48.760
<v Speaker 1>terms of the like how you'd write up a scouting

0:44:48.800 --> 0:44:51.640
<v Speaker 1>report on a player. But yeah, there is a similarity

0:44:51.680 --> 0:44:55.320
<v Speaker 1>with jac Jackson in that there are these players that

0:44:56.560 --> 0:45:00.919
<v Speaker 1>just they just get football on the level that it's

0:45:01.280 --> 0:45:03.000
<v Speaker 1>it's not even a football IQ thing. And I think

0:45:03.040 --> 0:45:06.799
<v Speaker 1>Dougger has a very high football IQ. But the way

0:45:06.880 --> 0:45:10.200
<v Speaker 1>he reacts just his knack to be able to get

0:45:10.280 --> 0:45:12.000
<v Speaker 1>in the right place at the right time. And some

0:45:12.080 --> 0:45:14.440
<v Speaker 1>people hear that and they think luck. No, it's not

0:45:14.600 --> 0:45:17.360
<v Speaker 1>a luck thing. Like you just watch him and you

0:45:17.480 --> 0:45:19.719
<v Speaker 1>can see him realize I need to be in this

0:45:19.840 --> 0:45:22.520
<v Speaker 1>spot now, and he has the athleticism to get there.

0:45:22.800 --> 0:45:24.440
<v Speaker 1>That's what that pick was, and he talked about it

0:45:24.480 --> 0:45:27.400
<v Speaker 1>after the game. He's in a coverage assignment, his assignment

0:45:27.480 --> 0:45:30.520
<v Speaker 1>stays into block, he becomes a free player. He recognized

0:45:30.520 --> 0:45:33.560
<v Speaker 1>the route, conversation, combination, and boom, he gets right there

0:45:33.600 --> 0:45:35.600
<v Speaker 1>in the spot and he makes the pick. And the

0:45:36.160 --> 0:45:40.160
<v Speaker 1>thing about players like that is the more football they see,

0:45:40.520 --> 0:45:44.560
<v Speaker 1>the better they get because it's basically just processing information. Right,

0:45:44.960 --> 0:45:47.919
<v Speaker 1>I've seen this before. I do I know what's coming.

0:45:47.960 --> 0:45:50.680
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of Tom Brady's answers to the test thing. Yeah, right,

0:45:51.040 --> 0:45:54.520
<v Speaker 1>he just knows. His instincts in the moment are so

0:45:54.760 --> 0:45:57.680
<v Speaker 1>good that he just knows, Okay, I've seen this, this

0:45:57.880 --> 0:46:00.520
<v Speaker 1>is how I need to react. And the more football

0:46:00.560 --> 0:46:03.200
<v Speaker 1>players like that see, the better they get because they

0:46:03.239 --> 0:46:06.480
<v Speaker 1>simply have more information to work with. Jac Jackson is

0:46:06.520 --> 0:46:10.440
<v Speaker 1>a great example of a very instinctual player and the

0:46:10.600 --> 0:46:13.080
<v Speaker 1>more he saw, the better he guy. Jack Jones is

0:46:13.080 --> 0:46:15.360
<v Speaker 1>another guy I've talked about in this light where his

0:46:15.480 --> 0:46:17.920
<v Speaker 1>instincts are great and he needs to get beat a

0:46:18.000 --> 0:46:20.400
<v Speaker 1>couple times to kind of see. I also find the

0:46:20.480 --> 0:46:22.359
<v Speaker 1>game plays off of them. But if you're gonna play

0:46:22.400 --> 0:46:24.120
<v Speaker 1>like that, I also think you are going to get beats.

0:46:24.480 --> 0:46:26.920
<v Speaker 1>You are, but because it becomes a learning process, and

0:46:27.080 --> 0:46:30.400
<v Speaker 1>it also just inherently you're trying to make plays on

0:46:30.480 --> 0:46:32.640
<v Speaker 1>the fall and sometimes you are going to get beat,

0:46:32.719 --> 0:46:34.399
<v Speaker 1>or sometimes you're not going to be in the right place,

0:46:34.680 --> 0:46:36.239
<v Speaker 1>I think. But I think with Jack get what I

0:46:36.280 --> 0:46:38.200
<v Speaker 1>would say to aggressive with it, but I don't think

0:46:38.239 --> 0:46:42.040
<v Speaker 1>that's necessarily Dugger's problem, and we well Jack's a rookie too, right.

0:46:42.120 --> 0:46:44.359
<v Speaker 1>The more you see, the better it gets. There are

0:46:44.440 --> 0:46:46.600
<v Speaker 1>some guys that have great instincts but never hone them,

0:46:46.960 --> 0:46:49.600
<v Speaker 1>and they just become these overly aggressive boom er bus players.

0:46:50.040 --> 0:46:53.839
<v Speaker 1>Whereas you know with Kyle Dugger, you're seeing a guy

0:46:53.920 --> 0:46:57.520
<v Speaker 1>that I think is adjusting, is learning, is taking that

0:46:57.680 --> 0:47:01.200
<v Speaker 1>information in applying it forwards. I think you mentioned the

0:47:01.239 --> 0:47:04.040
<v Speaker 1>Boom er bust. I mean it's it's much more towards

0:47:04.080 --> 0:47:06.080
<v Speaker 1>Boom than it was even a year ago. Yeah. So

0:47:07.120 --> 0:47:10.400
<v Speaker 1>he has those instincts, he has that quick twitch ability,

0:47:10.800 --> 0:47:14.440
<v Speaker 1>and now he's starting to use his experience to build

0:47:14.480 --> 0:47:17.000
<v Speaker 1>on that and become an even better player. Yeah. I

0:47:17.480 --> 0:47:20.720
<v Speaker 1>couldn't agree more. And I think that, like I keep saying,

0:47:21.200 --> 0:47:24.279
<v Speaker 1>with guys like Jamie Collins, with guys like a JC, yeah,

0:47:24.360 --> 0:47:26.080
<v Speaker 1>do you take some of the times where they get

0:47:26.120 --> 0:47:28.480
<v Speaker 1>beat for the pick sixes? Right? You just take some

0:47:28.600 --> 0:47:31.799
<v Speaker 1>of the times. And I think that with Dougger, he's

0:47:31.840 --> 0:47:36.680
<v Speaker 1>got a really solid baseline of run defense, that he's

0:47:36.719 --> 0:47:39.279
<v Speaker 1>a he's a four down player just because of that, right,

0:47:39.400 --> 0:47:42.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, and the fact that he can be so

0:47:42.640 --> 0:47:44.520
<v Speaker 1>many different things for this team too. You know, he

0:47:44.640 --> 0:47:48.840
<v Speaker 1>plays a traditional strong safety, he plays a linebacker, he

0:47:48.920 --> 0:47:51.680
<v Speaker 1>plays the edge or the nickel spot, like, he can

0:47:51.760 --> 0:47:53.680
<v Speaker 1>do all these different thing on the boundary a couple

0:47:53.760 --> 0:47:55.719
<v Speaker 1>times this year, Yeah, they they'll play him on the

0:47:55.719 --> 0:47:58.279
<v Speaker 1>boundary in those three safety packages from time to time.

0:47:58.760 --> 0:48:01.880
<v Speaker 1>So to I think that Dugger wears more hats in

0:48:01.920 --> 0:48:05.480
<v Speaker 1>this defense than anybody else I think he's surpassed and

0:48:05.640 --> 0:48:08.719
<v Speaker 1>Adrian Phillips type role. I think he's surpassed some of

0:48:08.760 --> 0:48:10.799
<v Speaker 1>the guys up front that that move on and off

0:48:10.840 --> 0:48:14.080
<v Speaker 1>the line of scrimmage. He plays at the back end,

0:48:14.200 --> 0:48:16.040
<v Speaker 1>he plays on the boundary, he plays in the in

0:48:16.120 --> 0:48:18.800
<v Speaker 1>the slot. He plays at the linebacker level. He plays

0:48:18.800 --> 0:48:21.280
<v Speaker 1>on the edge of the defense like he plays in line.

0:48:21.400 --> 0:48:23.720
<v Speaker 1>When he they blitz him, you know, on those zeros,

0:48:23.840 --> 0:48:25.560
<v Speaker 1>or they bluff them like they did on the pick six.

0:48:25.920 --> 0:48:29.759
<v Speaker 1>He plays all over the field for this team. Last question,

0:48:29.960 --> 0:48:34.239
<v Speaker 1>it's his own role. It's his own. It's not he's

0:48:34.239 --> 0:48:39.959
<v Speaker 1>not even this point the only guy. And I wasn't

0:48:39.960 --> 0:48:42.680
<v Speaker 1>old enough to really study Rodney Harrison, but I have

0:48:42.760 --> 0:48:44.600
<v Speaker 1>a feeling that this is pretty similar to how they

0:48:44.680 --> 0:48:48.719
<v Speaker 1>ended yeah, how they ended up using Rodney back then.

0:48:48.880 --> 0:48:51.080
<v Speaker 1>So so I was actually looking at Rodney last night.

0:48:51.080 --> 0:48:52.160
<v Speaker 1>I know we got to wrap it up, but I

0:48:52.200 --> 0:48:54.880
<v Speaker 1>have to put this tangent out. No time for this.

0:48:55.040 --> 0:48:57.320
<v Speaker 1>Rodney Harrison comes in the league now he's a safety

0:48:57.360 --> 0:49:01.839
<v Speaker 1>or linebacker, he's probably dugger see. I think he's more like, uh,

0:49:02.719 --> 0:49:06.279
<v Speaker 1>like Jamal Adams, like a Fred Warner tight or maybe

0:49:06.440 --> 0:49:08.440
<v Speaker 1>the name I want to use and it hasn't panned out.

0:49:08.440 --> 0:49:10.759
<v Speaker 1>But the guy we thought na Kobe Dean was gonna

0:49:10.760 --> 0:49:12.440
<v Speaker 1>be coming out of the draft, he's bigger than a

0:49:12.560 --> 0:49:16.720
<v Speaker 1>Kobe Dean, though not that much. Nakobe Dean's like five eleven,

0:49:17.120 --> 0:49:21.200
<v Speaker 1>like two twenty. Ronnie Harrison six one, two twenty. I

0:49:21.360 --> 0:49:23.920
<v Speaker 1>just remember Ronnie being thicker than that. He's listed to

0:49:23.960 --> 0:49:25.880
<v Speaker 1>two twenty. I was surprised too when I looked it

0:49:25.960 --> 0:49:28.520
<v Speaker 1>up last night, but six one, two twenty back that

0:49:28.680 --> 0:49:31.440
<v Speaker 1>no shot. Now he might have been aligned back. I

0:49:31.560 --> 0:49:33.759
<v Speaker 1>just an interesting We have a I wish we had

0:49:33.800 --> 0:49:35.440
<v Speaker 1>more time than I wish we had a Hall of

0:49:35.719 --> 0:49:37.879
<v Speaker 1>we had we had a Hall of Fame minute plan,

0:49:38.080 --> 0:49:40.080
<v Speaker 1>but all the schedules can pack today, so we're not

0:49:40.120 --> 0:49:41.759
<v Speaker 1>gonna be able to get to it. We'll get to

0:49:41.880 --> 0:49:43.479
<v Speaker 1>it for well, we'll get to it next week because

0:49:43.520 --> 0:49:45.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm fired up about that as well. All Right, it's

0:49:45.600 --> 0:49:48.120
<v Speaker 1>it's getting ridiculous. I want to have this conversation with you. Yeah,

0:49:48.239 --> 0:49:50.960
<v Speaker 1>the really quickly, because it's all I gotta get it

0:49:51.000 --> 0:49:55.200
<v Speaker 1>out really quickly. Seventies Steelers, how many guess how many?

0:49:55.280 --> 0:49:59.880
<v Speaker 1>How they have twe? Yeah? How about the Lombardi packers

0:50:01.000 --> 0:50:06.520
<v Speaker 1>a lot twelve twelve Hall of famers on the Lombardi packers,

0:50:06.800 --> 0:50:08.719
<v Speaker 1>And don't get me wrong, I think it should be

0:50:08.760 --> 0:50:10.360
<v Speaker 1>harder than it was back then to get into the

0:50:10.400 --> 0:50:11.960
<v Speaker 1>Hall of Fame. So I don't think there are ten

0:50:12.080 --> 0:50:14.960
<v Speaker 1>Hall of Fame players on the Dynasty era of Patriots.

0:50:15.239 --> 0:50:18.440
<v Speaker 1>But right now we are trending and it depends like

0:50:18.600 --> 0:50:20.279
<v Speaker 1>if you want to count Moss and Revs, you can

0:50:20.360 --> 0:50:23.360
<v Speaker 1>count Moss and Revs. Did you count Lombardi? Like do

0:50:23.400 --> 0:50:25.920
<v Speaker 1>you count the coaches and that? No, that those are additional,

0:50:26.239 --> 0:50:29.680
<v Speaker 1>But I think Bill get right, So that's so right now,

0:50:30.160 --> 0:50:35.399
<v Speaker 1>it's trending towards probably five. Right, So you have Law

0:50:35.520 --> 0:50:37.279
<v Speaker 1>and you have seen Moore already in how many people

0:50:37.280 --> 0:50:39.640
<v Speaker 1>are gonna be in with Patriots rings? Like, that's more

0:50:39.719 --> 0:50:42.720
<v Speaker 1>the conversation. So they have Lombardi and they have Lombardi,

0:50:42.800 --> 0:50:45.640
<v Speaker 1>they have Law and see Moore already in. Yeah, Brady

0:50:45.760 --> 0:50:49.520
<v Speaker 1>is obviously going to be in, Vinitari will probably get in,

0:50:49.880 --> 0:50:53.839
<v Speaker 1>and then Gronkowski will get in. Yeah. Right, so that's five. Now,

0:50:54.880 --> 0:50:56.879
<v Speaker 1>if you want to count Moss and Revs you can,

0:50:57.560 --> 0:51:00.480
<v Speaker 1>so that that that's technically seven, but it's not even

0:51:00.520 --> 0:51:03.640
<v Speaker 1>with a ring, right, And it's different because the Seventiesers

0:51:03.640 --> 0:51:06.239
<v Speaker 1>didn't have free agency, right, So you know me and

0:51:06.360 --> 0:51:09.160
<v Speaker 1>Joe Green played for the Steelers for thirteen years for

0:51:09.239 --> 0:51:12.800
<v Speaker 1>his entire career, right, he didn't go anywhere. But for

0:51:13.000 --> 0:51:17.080
<v Speaker 1>guys like Vince Wilfork, guys like Rodney. I would even

0:51:17.160 --> 0:51:20.800
<v Speaker 1>put guys like Devin mccordy in that conversation, Dante, Hi Tower,

0:51:20.960 --> 0:51:25.120
<v Speaker 1>Julian and Dillon, those guys. If those guys were on

0:51:25.200 --> 0:51:28.040
<v Speaker 1>the seventies Steelers, they're lock Hall of Famers. Yeah, But

0:51:28.160 --> 0:51:30.920
<v Speaker 1>the Patriots they're not even gonna be. They're not even finalists,

0:51:31.000 --> 0:51:35.680
<v Speaker 1>let alone in the Hall of Fame. It's you can't

0:51:35.960 --> 0:51:38.400
<v Speaker 1>have treated it one way for all of these years,

0:51:38.719 --> 0:51:41.319
<v Speaker 1>and then you get to the modern, modern, modern era

0:51:41.680 --> 0:51:43.640
<v Speaker 1>and now all of a sudden, all like all these

0:51:43.719 --> 0:51:45.680
<v Speaker 1>other guys are going to get in. And I mean

0:51:45.760 --> 0:51:47.800
<v Speaker 1>part of the problem though, is the Hall has not

0:51:48.000 --> 0:51:52.279
<v Speaker 1>done a great job recognizing like not specialist players and

0:51:52.400 --> 0:51:55.400
<v Speaker 1>like kickers and punters. But well they have, but guys

0:51:55.480 --> 0:51:59.800
<v Speaker 1>who like Vince Wilfork wasn't a statistical monster, right, and

0:52:00.080 --> 0:52:02.919
<v Speaker 1>he wasn't you know, a guy like Julian Edelman wasn't

0:52:02.960 --> 0:52:05.799
<v Speaker 1>a traditional wide receiver. Matthew Slater's another one. The fact

0:52:05.840 --> 0:52:09.360
<v Speaker 1>that Devin Hester has gotten to a second ballot blows

0:52:09.400 --> 0:52:11.440
<v Speaker 1>my mind. Yeah, because I think they look at him

0:52:11.440 --> 0:52:14.000
<v Speaker 1>as a wide receiver who also returned kicks, but like

0:52:14.480 --> 0:52:16.960
<v Speaker 1>he's the greatest kick return of all time. Kick returning

0:52:17.040 --> 0:52:19.640
<v Speaker 1>is a position like the So the finalist came out

0:52:19.719 --> 0:52:22.080
<v Speaker 1>last night. They're fifteen of them. Some of them are locks,

0:52:22.239 --> 0:52:25.040
<v Speaker 1>Joe Thomas, Terrell Reeves. You know those guys are Hall

0:52:25.040 --> 0:52:28.400
<v Speaker 1>of Famers, Okay, but you're telling Hester as a finalist

0:52:28.440 --> 0:52:32.719
<v Speaker 1>should be in. Yeah, Hester, like Jared Allen is a finalist.

0:52:33.560 --> 0:52:36.719
<v Speaker 1>I mean he could play, He could player, but he

0:52:36.800 --> 0:52:39.239
<v Speaker 1>could over some of these other guys. I don't know,

0:52:39.440 --> 0:52:42.040
<v Speaker 1>but he was a hell I don't know every wide receiver.

0:52:42.239 --> 0:52:45.839
<v Speaker 1>Reggie Wayne, Tory Hold, Andre Johnson. Andre Johnson's the best

0:52:45.880 --> 0:52:48.520
<v Speaker 1>one out of that group. Like he's he was an animal, okay,

0:52:48.880 --> 0:52:51.320
<v Speaker 1>and he's playing with like Sage Rosenfelds and things like

0:52:51.520 --> 0:52:54.640
<v Speaker 1>that in Houston. But it's just I don't know, Reggie

0:52:54.680 --> 0:52:57.160
<v Speaker 1>Wayne's gonna get into the Hall of Fame. But Reggie

0:52:57.200 --> 0:53:01.400
<v Speaker 1>Wayne is to Indianapolis. What you know, Julian Edelman is

0:53:01.520 --> 0:53:03.880
<v Speaker 1>or Wes Welker is to the Patriots, right, you know,

0:53:04.120 --> 0:53:07.080
<v Speaker 1>and it's just I don't know. All right, let's let's

0:53:07.120 --> 0:53:08.799
<v Speaker 1>get to these calls. You guys got to be quick,

0:53:08.840 --> 0:53:10.560
<v Speaker 1>but we can get to these two calls here before

0:53:10.600 --> 0:53:12.840
<v Speaker 1>we wrap up. Justin and Virginia, thanks for hanging on.

0:53:12.960 --> 0:53:16.080
<v Speaker 1>How you doing, hey, guys, how you gonna? How are

0:53:16.080 --> 0:53:19.560
<v Speaker 1>you doing good? Thanks? Hey. I'd also add to Kyle

0:53:19.680 --> 0:53:24.600
<v Speaker 1>Dugger just like the value he provides and run defense,

0:53:24.800 --> 0:53:26.800
<v Speaker 1>like when he was on the field versus when he

0:53:26.920 --> 0:53:30.279
<v Speaker 1>was off, was just unmatched. Yeah, yeah, he's a great

0:53:30.360 --> 0:53:34.719
<v Speaker 1>run defender. Absolutely. Quick question though, Um, a lot of

0:53:34.760 --> 0:53:37.919
<v Speaker 1>people bring up Kirk Cousins and Derek Carr when they're

0:53:37.960 --> 0:53:40.920
<v Speaker 1>like talking about Mac jones physical skill set. If we

0:53:41.040 --> 0:53:44.600
<v Speaker 1>gave him the weapons and support that Matt Ryan kind

0:53:44.640 --> 0:53:47.040
<v Speaker 1>of had for the better part of his career, how

0:53:47.080 --> 0:53:49.319
<v Speaker 1>do you think he would like match up to Matt Ryan.

0:53:49.880 --> 0:53:53.759
<v Speaker 1>That's a good question. Appreciate your going, Thank you. So

0:53:54.920 --> 0:53:57.200
<v Speaker 1>I tried to make the Matt Ryan comparison once upon

0:53:57.239 --> 0:54:00.640
<v Speaker 1>a time with Matt Jones. Matt Ryan is six four

0:54:01.000 --> 0:54:03.879
<v Speaker 1>and like you know, he's just a bigger specimen than

0:54:03.960 --> 0:54:07.640
<v Speaker 1>Mac Jones is so, I think there are probably a

0:54:07.760 --> 0:54:10.719
<v Speaker 1>lot more physical tools to Matt Ryan's game than maybe

0:54:10.760 --> 0:54:14.160
<v Speaker 1>people remember, and maybe compared to Mac. But I mean,

0:54:14.360 --> 0:54:16.560
<v Speaker 1>if you get Mac Jones, Prime Julio Jones and like,

0:54:16.680 --> 0:54:18.960
<v Speaker 1>that's I'm sure he would look great too, you know.

0:54:19.280 --> 0:54:21.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean that's I definitely agree with the caller in

0:54:21.680 --> 0:54:23.239
<v Speaker 1>that respect. I don't know that he's gonna like win

0:54:23.280 --> 0:54:26.239
<v Speaker 1>an MVP, but whatever one step below that is sure. Yeah,

0:54:26.239 --> 0:54:28.880
<v Speaker 1>I could see it if he had Prime Julio Jones

0:54:28.960 --> 0:54:31.640
<v Speaker 1>and Kyle Shanahan calling his plays. And I'm not sure

0:54:31.640 --> 0:54:34.000
<v Speaker 1>if you would win an MVP either. Tony Gonzalez there

0:54:34.040 --> 0:54:37.680
<v Speaker 1>for that, I don't. I think that was post Tony okay,

0:54:37.920 --> 0:54:41.560
<v Speaker 1>but he obviously had Tony Gonzalez. First I met for

0:54:41.680 --> 0:54:44.000
<v Speaker 1>his career, was Tony Gonzalez there? Maybe not? I was

0:54:44.160 --> 0:54:46.520
<v Speaker 1>there that year? Oh yeah, absolutely, yeah, he had. They

0:54:46.560 --> 0:54:48.960
<v Speaker 1>had Julio and Tony Gonzalez at one point when they

0:54:49.000 --> 0:54:51.200
<v Speaker 1>were I think they made it to maybe one NFC

0:54:51.360 --> 0:54:54.440
<v Speaker 1>championship game, or maybe they were competitive in a divisional game.

0:54:54.480 --> 0:54:56.680
<v Speaker 1>I remember that for some reason. I think it was

0:54:56.680 --> 0:55:02.560
<v Speaker 1>an NFC championship game. All right, Patty, what's going on up, guys,

0:55:03.080 --> 0:55:05.399
<v Speaker 1>real quick point before my couple of questions. I said

0:55:05.440 --> 0:55:07.520
<v Speaker 1>it when Nias Williams went into the Hall of Fame

0:55:07.600 --> 0:55:09.840
<v Speaker 1>before ty Law. But if Bryan Dodkins is in the

0:55:09.880 --> 0:55:12.640
<v Speaker 1>Hall of Fame, Rodney Harrison absolutely belonged to the Hall

0:55:12.680 --> 0:55:17.879
<v Speaker 1>of Fame. So just a couple of quick questions are

0:55:19.280 --> 0:55:23.440
<v Speaker 1>with what happened on this past Monday night, do you

0:55:23.560 --> 0:55:26.640
<v Speaker 1>think that these Bills players, if they line up, especially

0:55:26.719 --> 0:55:29.640
<v Speaker 1>on defense, might be might still be in a little

0:55:29.640 --> 0:55:32.480
<v Speaker 1>bit of state of shock, and that might might thank

0:55:32.560 --> 0:55:34.960
<v Speaker 1>for a little bit more competitive game. Wanted to get

0:55:34.960 --> 0:55:38.279
<v Speaker 1>your thoughts on that and the last collar justin who

0:55:38.360 --> 0:55:41.359
<v Speaker 1>brought up guys comparable to back? I dare you guys

0:55:41.440 --> 0:55:44.320
<v Speaker 1>to find me a better top to Mac. Maybe not

0:55:44.480 --> 0:55:48.480
<v Speaker 1>hype wise, but just watch him play, Eli Manning. It's

0:55:48.520 --> 0:55:51.480
<v Speaker 1>almost like you're watching the exact same quarterback. That's all

0:55:51.480 --> 0:55:54.600
<v Speaker 1>I got. I don't thanks for call, Patty, I don't.

0:55:54.640 --> 0:55:56.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't hate that Eli com I know people around

0:55:56.680 --> 0:55:58.680
<v Speaker 1>here are going to hate that just because of all

0:55:58.760 --> 0:56:02.279
<v Speaker 1>the history, But I think Mac takes care of the ball,

0:56:02.360 --> 0:56:04.560
<v Speaker 1>maybe a little bit better than Mac's never gonna lead

0:56:04.560 --> 0:56:06.680
<v Speaker 1>the league in turnovers, Yeah, there's a couple things. He's

0:56:06.719 --> 0:56:08.120
<v Speaker 1>not gonna lead the league. And to be fair, but

0:56:08.160 --> 0:56:09.960
<v Speaker 1>he's never gonna lead the league in turnovers. Yeah, but

0:56:10.040 --> 0:56:14.120
<v Speaker 1>I understand from like an throwing motion, like all like

0:56:14.320 --> 0:56:16.520
<v Speaker 1>playing style. I mean, if you want to talk about

0:56:16.520 --> 0:56:18.279
<v Speaker 1>the aesthetic thing we set off the top, like guys

0:56:18.320 --> 0:56:21.680
<v Speaker 1>Eli and Peyton both right, remember that, Yeah, they were

0:56:21.760 --> 0:56:24.440
<v Speaker 1>ugly players. Um what was the other thing that he

0:56:24.520 --> 0:56:27.920
<v Speaker 1>brought up? Oh, if the Bill's defense, I don't know.

0:56:28.280 --> 0:56:31.000
<v Speaker 1>I can't really like speak to that until we see it. Look,

0:56:31.040 --> 0:56:33.399
<v Speaker 1>I'll say this, I'm not gonna blame guys for being

0:56:33.440 --> 0:56:35.640
<v Speaker 1>hesitant about playing a FOA game on Sunday, like I

0:56:35.880 --> 0:56:38.279
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't blame any of them for that. Now, how

0:56:38.360 --> 0:56:41.040
<v Speaker 1>that impacts the game itself, who knows. You know, maybe

0:56:41.080 --> 0:56:42.640
<v Speaker 1>it's a thing where you kind of you know, as

0:56:42.719 --> 0:56:45.040
<v Speaker 1>the game goes on, they feel better about it. Um,

0:56:45.800 --> 0:56:48.799
<v Speaker 1>but I wouldn't blame any but it. And it could

0:56:48.840 --> 0:56:50.399
<v Speaker 1>be the reverse. It could be, Hey, you know, let's

0:56:50.440 --> 0:56:52.520
<v Speaker 1>go win this for our guy and and maybe you

0:56:52.600 --> 0:56:54.439
<v Speaker 1>get that effect too. I don't know how they're thinking.

0:56:54.520 --> 0:56:57.600
<v Speaker 1>And the reality is it's probably gonna be a range

0:56:57.760 --> 0:57:00.440
<v Speaker 1>and different guys are gonna fall in different parts points

0:57:00.760 --> 0:57:05.319
<v Speaker 1>of that scale. But I went on anybody for coming

0:57:05.360 --> 0:57:08.799
<v Speaker 1>into that and by across the league, I wouldn't fault

0:57:08.840 --> 0:57:10.960
<v Speaker 1>players for coming into this game and maybe being a

0:57:11.040 --> 0:57:13.760
<v Speaker 1>little timid to start on Sunday. Yeah, I don't necessarily

0:57:13.840 --> 0:57:17.240
<v Speaker 1>think that they're gonna be timid to tackle people and stuff,

0:57:17.240 --> 0:57:18.680
<v Speaker 1>because once you get back out there, I think it

0:57:18.760 --> 0:57:20.960
<v Speaker 1>just becomes second nature. Like I'm a football player, this

0:57:21.040 --> 0:57:23.920
<v Speaker 1>is sort of what I do, right, But I do wonder.

0:57:25.240 --> 0:57:28.200
<v Speaker 1>The big thing for me is if the Chiefs win

0:57:28.440 --> 0:57:32.360
<v Speaker 1>on Saturday, yeah, and they decide the NFL has decided

0:57:32.560 --> 0:57:35.400
<v Speaker 1>that they're not going to play Bengals Bills, which I

0:57:35.560 --> 0:57:38.960
<v Speaker 1>think was reported this morning. It was trending them right.

0:57:39.160 --> 0:57:42.720
<v Speaker 1>Then the Bills can't get the number one seed. So

0:57:44.400 --> 0:57:47.680
<v Speaker 1>at that point they're they're talking about two and three. Now,

0:57:47.760 --> 0:57:49.360
<v Speaker 1>if they win, they would be the two, so that

0:57:49.520 --> 0:57:52.360
<v Speaker 1>would guarantee to home playoff games. So it's not it

0:57:52.520 --> 0:57:55.280
<v Speaker 1>is a factor, but I think that at that point,

0:57:55.600 --> 0:57:58.480
<v Speaker 1>you know you're playing on wildcard weekend, you know you're

0:57:58.520 --> 0:58:02.720
<v Speaker 1>not getting the buy. I think to a degree, maybe

0:58:03.560 --> 0:58:07.280
<v Speaker 1>you get to a point there where how much does

0:58:07.320 --> 0:58:09.200
<v Speaker 1>that game really mean to Buffalo. I think the two

0:58:09.280 --> 0:58:11.600
<v Speaker 1>seed is somewhat important because you're gonna play the Bengals

0:58:11.640 --> 0:58:14.360
<v Speaker 1>Tech probably on the divisional round, and you want that

0:58:14.440 --> 0:58:16.760
<v Speaker 1>to be in Buffalo. But I don't know if that

0:58:17.160 --> 0:58:20.560
<v Speaker 1>alone is enough to get everybody up for this game,

0:58:20.680 --> 0:58:23.320
<v Speaker 1>especially after what happened on Monday night. And I also

0:58:23.400 --> 0:58:26.280
<v Speaker 1>play all out, Like if you're Josh Allen on Sunday

0:58:26.320 --> 0:58:28.880
<v Speaker 1>and you can't get the number one seed, Sean McDermott

0:58:28.920 --> 0:58:30.640
<v Speaker 1>has to be saying to Josh Allen like, hey, like,

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<v Speaker 1>let's cool it this week. All right, we gotta get

0:58:34.680 --> 0:58:37.680
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