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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two Podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth. I'm Lazar La. Everybody nailed it,

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Speaker 1: joined us always buy our match. Here is Evan Lazar

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Speaker 1: and Alex BArch. If you've decided based off of this

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Speaker 1: season that Mac Jones is not the guy you don't

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Speaker 1: know football. You don't know football, You're more sorry, you're dumb. Uh.

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Speaker 1: That's the first time I heard that back since I

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Speaker 1: went off last week about that, and I'm okay with it.

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Speaker 1: The internet loved that. I know some people were a

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Speaker 1: little bit angry with me. That's okay. That was that.

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Speaker 1: I knew that was coming, and I do want to

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Speaker 1: mention right off the top, Evan Lazar, Alex Barth with

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Speaker 1: you as always excuse me. It does seem a little

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Speaker 1: trivial right now talking about football. Yeah, it does. And

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Speaker 1: we're very well aware that Alex is going to read

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Speaker 1: off an update. Was it from the Bills? So we

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Speaker 1: got we got two updates. I'll just get right into

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Speaker 1: it here. So first off, it's probably about five maybe

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Speaker 1: ten minutes ago. Kairie Elam, who's a corner yes for

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Speaker 1: the Bills, a rookie corner tweeted, our boy is doing better,

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Speaker 1: awake and showing more signs of improvement. Thank you God,

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Speaker 1: keep the prayers coming. All of three and then that

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Speaker 1: was three being Damar Hamlin's number, right, And then that

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Speaker 1: was followed by an update from the Bills this literally

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Speaker 1: as we as the open was playing. Per the physicians

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Speaker 1: caring for Damarrow Hamlin at the University of Cincinnati Medical Center,

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Speaker 1: Damar has shown remarkable improvement over the past twenty four hours.

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Speaker 1: While still critically ill, he's demonstrated that he appears to

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Speaker 1: be neurologically intact, his lungs continue to heal, and he

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Speaker 1: is making steady progress. We are grateful for all the

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Speaker 1: love and support we have received. So fantastic news right,

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Speaker 1: not sounds like maybe not out of the woods yet,

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Speaker 1: but certainly I think this is the first big update

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Speaker 1: we were all waiting for and certainly could be a

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Speaker 1: lot worse. Right, So, it sounds like things are trending

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Speaker 1: into I'm not a medical professional, but it sounds like

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Speaker 1: is all you can pretty much ask for at this point. Right.

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Speaker 1: And Adam Schefter this morning also tweeted that Damar Hamlin's

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Speaker 1: father actually addressed the team and gave an updated I

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Speaker 1: think it was actually last night that they gave that yea,

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Speaker 1: but that the general feeling and the building from the

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Speaker 1: things that made them feel better about moving forward and

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Speaker 1: made them feel better about the situation as much as

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Speaker 1: you possibly can. So we have to talk about it

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Speaker 1: because we can't talk about football without that being in

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Speaker 1: our minds to a degree. And it's just it's hard

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Speaker 1: because we all love the game. We all love covering

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Speaker 1: the game, Alex and I and watching it as fans,

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Speaker 1: and this is always the fear, right Like, there's always

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Speaker 1: that fear that somebody's gonna get hit in a football

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Speaker 1: game and he's not going to get back up. And

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Speaker 1: we haven't really seen this in our lifetime. I know

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Speaker 1: it's it's happened, you know, at some point in the

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Speaker 1: history of the NFL. But in today's day and age,

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Speaker 1: where there's a million ESPN cameras, there's social media, there's

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Speaker 1: all these different things, this thing, obviously is is tough

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Speaker 1: to see. And I hope that the Bills are given

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Speaker 1: the leeway from the NFL that if they decide as

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Speaker 1: not to obviously Damar Hamlin's health is the number one

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Speaker 1: on the bank side of things too, that just witnessed

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Speaker 1: what happened on Monday night, and that's important too. So

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Speaker 1: long term damage from all this. With that being said,

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Speaker 1: on here from the Damar Hamlin stuff. Getting fired up

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Speaker 1: web radio at Patriots dot Com is the email as

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Speaker 1: you all probably we know at this point. And uh,

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Speaker 1: And I don't want to I don't want to go

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Speaker 1: on that whole rant again, but I still go back

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Speaker 1: to it. When it comes to Mac Jones, can someone

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Speaker 1: offer a real critique of his game? Like? Can we

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Speaker 1: can we talk about a real critique you're talking about

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Speaker 1: the specifically the performance on Sunday? Sure, yeah, the performance

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Speaker 1: on Sunday in particular, because that's what's the newest information

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Speaker 1: critique of the film of his of his game? Because

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Speaker 1: everything that I hear or tend to hear, I guess

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Speaker 1: I should say about Mac Jones is related to his

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Speaker 1: body language. How he looks. Oh he's whiny baby, Oh

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Speaker 1: he's he has he's a noodle. Army has no zip

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Speaker 1: on his throws. He's missing open receipt. Like I don't

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Speaker 1: hear I hear all these absolutes, right, like all these

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Speaker 1: dramatic the Patriots offense sticks. We know the Patriots offense

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Speaker 1: isn't good. We know they don't score points. Do you

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Speaker 1: know who also doesn't have a good offense? The Chicago Bears.

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Speaker 1: Do I hear any of these things about Justin Fields? Right?

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Speaker 1: Everybody loves Justin Fields, and I love Justin Fields. I

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Speaker 1: love watching Justin Fields. But Justin Fields flat out looks

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Speaker 1: better playing football. He's got a big arm, he's athletic,

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Speaker 1: he runs right, he does all these other things that

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Speaker 1: the Patriots are twenty sixth and DV away, the Bears

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Speaker 1: are twenty seven Like they're both right there in the basement, right,

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Speaker 1: So all this other stuff, And I know he went

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Speaker 1: about the aesthetic and look, I think there's something to

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Speaker 1: in mac Jones. He doesn't photographed well on a football

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Speaker 1: field like that, just doesn't doesn't look when he and

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Speaker 1: when it goes bad for him, it looks even worse, right,

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Speaker 1: like when when he's not playing well. And I would

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Speaker 1: even say when he throws the ball, like he kind

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Speaker 1: of makes weird face. And he's not the first quarterback

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Speaker 1: his face when he's throwing the football. Um that that

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Speaker 1: somebody flipped the video of Tua, so we saw what

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Speaker 1: don't give a crap, right Like, I know, are not

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Speaker 1: I don't care about the sideline. I don't care about

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Speaker 1: all these things, I care so much more about his

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Speaker 1: body language, the way he carries himself, the way he

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Speaker 1: And if you don't like the guy, and I've been

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Speaker 1: I can't convince you to want to to like his

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Speaker 1: what I want to get into is what actually he

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Speaker 1: think that I'm you know, I'm a mac apologist and whatever. Okay,

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Speaker 1: looking it up for the Buffalo Bills, and what I

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Speaker 1: a bug or something like that in the system. The

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Speaker 1: plays with twenty plus yards the Kansas City Chiefs. Sure

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Speaker 1: not a surprise. Patrick Mahomes will do that. He They

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Speaker 1: nine of them. It's eight more than second place. I

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Speaker 1: guess who's in second place, The Patriots. The Patriots. So

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Speaker 1: And I think what we've gotten to the point with

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Speaker 1: this offense with the quarterback, which I'll get to in

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Speaker 1: a second as well, is that they have the ability

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Speaker 1: to have these moments where you're like, wow, that was

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Speaker 1: a good play, right. You know, Kendrick Bourne and Mac

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Speaker 1: like sixty percent of the time they converted. It's not

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Speaker 1: five percent on the yeah, they're averaging five point four yards.

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00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 1: The twenty sixth ranking doesn't surprise me at all. Like

430
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 1: that third and six, especially with this quarterback, like I

431
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:40,280
Speaker 1: feel like mac is should be able to pick those up, right.

432
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,400
Speaker 1: We're not asking him to pick up third and fifteen,

433
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,160
Speaker 1: where you know, you might have to go extended play,

434
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 1: or you might have to go with a big throw

435
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,720
Speaker 1: down the field or something like that. Off platform no,

436
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,480
Speaker 1: we're just asking you to pick pick up seven. Actually, sorry,

437
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 1: that was the total third down It's a twenty six

438
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 1: point three percent even lower twenty eight, twenty eighth in

439
00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:01,240
Speaker 1: the league, although they are a head of directly ahead

440
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:05,439
Speaker 1: of the Cincinnati Bengals. That's surprising. And then the Browns

441
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,399
Speaker 1: Coltson in Washington. But the thing I wanted to bring

442
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,159
Speaker 1: up here, Evan, we talked about this and it was

443
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 1: probably more of a fair point at the time than

444
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 1: I allowed it to be. I was just in my

445
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,200
Speaker 1: fields about the game. And this was after the minutes

446
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 1: said after before the Minnesota game when you talked about

447
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 1: Mac needs to put together the drive, right, Yes, and

448
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 1: this isn't quite that drive. But how many times this

449
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 1: year have the Patriots, whether it's to go ahead or

450
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,239
Speaker 1: to put a game away, right, we've talked about can

451
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 1: they put that drive together? Can Mac put that drive

452
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,160
Speaker 1: together late in the game to at least seal the game?

453
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 1: If not? Right? And look, the level of difficulty on

454
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 1: this one is not as high as maybe some of

455
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 1: the other examples. But in this game against the Dolphins,

456
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:51,680
Speaker 1: Marcus Jones makes a great open field tackle on Tyreek Hill. Sorry,

457
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 1: Miles Bryant. Yeah, Miles Bryant makes a great open field

458
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 1: tackle on Tyree Hills. So credits Miles Briant. He had

459
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 1: a great game in this one. Patriots get the ball

460
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 1: back with about ten minutes to They're up sixteen fourteen,

461
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 1: so still very close. They then go eighty nine yards

462
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 1: and eleven plays, take five minutes off the clock, and

463
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 1: that's the drive that ended with that Jakobe Myers jump

464
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 1: all touchdown DPI on the sideline. But Mac on this

465
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 1: drive Kendrick Bourne for sixteen yards incomplete to Kendrick Bourne,

466
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 1: Stevenson for five yards, throws it deep to Jacobe for

467
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,119
Speaker 1: twenty five yards. I think that's the throw that you

468
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 1: shared on Twitter up on the wheel route. Then they

469
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,159
Speaker 1: run with Hermandre. Mac does the QB sneak, gets it

470
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 1: to Hunter Henry for four yards to pick up the

471
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,880
Speaker 1: first down. On second and two, one yard one run

472
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 1: for Rmandre. You get to pass interference one more incompletion

473
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 1: Damian Harris down to the goal line and then Mac

474
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 1: makes the adjustment on that final play to get Jakobe

475
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,880
Speaker 1: Myers for the touchdown. Again, it's not Tom Brady against

476
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,920
Speaker 1: the Rams of two thousand and one, but that it's

477
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,160
Speaker 1: a glimpse into kind of that drive we've been waiting

478
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,719
Speaker 1: for Mac to put together. It feels like the game

479
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 1: awards that, Yeah, they put We've been waiting for that

480
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:03,199
Speaker 1: putaway drive. Eleven plays, eighty nine yards, five minutes up

481
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 1: two that's a put away drive to me. And honestly, look,

482
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 1: I know what they did against the Bengals at the

483
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 1: end of the game wasn't wasn't the drive that we

484
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: are looking for, especially almost was almost was. But they also,

485
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 1: let's not forget and I'm not saying they played well

486
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 1: for the majority of the Raiders game, but they put

487
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 1: the Patriots up twenty four seventeen in the Raiders game too,

488
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: So they've had some of that later game that they've

489
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,679
Speaker 1: made some of that happened a little bit more Babe recently.

490
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 1: I know the Bengals game kind of stands out as

491
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 1: a well, we have that one in there, so let's

492
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 1: not forget about that. But they've been doing a little

493
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 1: bit more. I come back to though, like we were

494
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: just mentioning the non explosives part of your offense, just

495
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 1: converting first and ten into second and three, right, and

496
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 1: converting second and three into a first down and third

497
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 1: and six and two a first down, like these situational

498
00:25:56,200 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 1: things that should be easier than they are for this offense.

499
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 1: And I think the big picture takeaway from all of

500
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 1: it is that I still don't know what their identity

501
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 1: is as an offense. I don't know on first down,

502
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,199
Speaker 1: what are you coming out in, Like, what's your grouping,

503
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 1: what's the play call? Like? I think they want it

504
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,199
Speaker 1: to be spread, quick game, Like. I think that that's

505
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 1: what they want it to be. But the quarterback I

506
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 1: don't think has done a great job with it. Quite

507
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: frankly in recent weeks. I think that that's what they

508
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: want their first and ten identity to be is Mac

509
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: and the gun, three wide, you know, eleven personnel. Let's

510
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 1: run quick game and let's get first and ten into

511
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 1: second and two, right, Like, I think that that's what

512
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,360
Speaker 1: they want it, which is a good plan. Yeah, it's

513
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 1: a fine plan. You know. For McDaniels, it's probably under center,

514
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 1: play action, full back, you know that sort of thing, right,

515
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 1: that's sort of the identity. But if this is gonna

516
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 1: be your first down identity, quick game, spread, all that,

517
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 1: I'm fine with it. But you obviously you gotta be

518
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: really good at executing that if that's your identity, right

519
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: The Patriots are great at lead the full back through

520
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: the whole play action, hit, hit the crosser behind the linebacker,

521
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 1: right like, that was their offense and they were great

522
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: at it. They're not great at what they want their

523
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: identity to be right now, and that's why their offense

524
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: is so Jacqueline. I think a lot of that offense

525
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 1: is spacing. If you're gonna be if you're not gonna

526
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 1: stretch the field horizontally, you have to stretch it vertically

527
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 1: because there's less planes to work with, right and yeah,

528
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 1: when I say planes, like you can have two guys

529
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 1: who are on the same plane horizontally if one guy's

530
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: five yards down field, one guy's twenty five yards down right, right,

531
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: because they're not near each other. But if you're gonna say, hey,

532
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: we're only gonna work with ten to fifteen yards of

533
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 1: the field, there's ways to do that, but it has

534
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: to be spaced out correctly because you're gonna run into

535
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: situations like we saw early in that in that Bengals game,

536
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: right where receivers are on top of them, or like

537
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 1: Smith gets a concussion because Kendrick board runs is right

538
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: on top of them in a Quick Games style type

539
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 1: of concept. Yeah, and Mac just throws it not thinking

540
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: Kendrick Bourne's going to be on top of Johnny and

541
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: he gets sandwiched. Like, those are the things that you

542
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: can't have with it. You have to have the quarterback

543
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: has to read out the underneath coverage properly and get

544
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 1: the ball to the open guy. You know, those types

545
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 1: of things have to happen if you're gonna be good

546
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 1: quick game offense. And I don't mind quick game, you

547
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: know I quick game RPO. If that's their early downe identity,

548
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 1: I don't mind it. They're just not executing it well. Right,

549
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 1: But that almost gives you a hope moving forwards, because

550
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, the pieces look like they're all there.

551
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: The idea behind it is not terrible. And I know

552
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: I in Windows. We've seen them do it in Windows,

553
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: so it's like it's not like they can't execute it.

554
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: It's not like they're not talented enough to execute it. Yeah. Right,

555
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: final point here about the offense, which is kind of

556
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: sprinting it forward to the Bills game here, and then

557
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: we got to talk defense in this Bills game. And

558
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: look I know that there's a ton of non football

559
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: stuff about this Bills game. We don't know Buffalo's mindset,

560
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: we don't know if this game's even gonna be played

561
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 1: right now, But just operating under the assumption that they're

562
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: going to kick off at one o'clock on Sunday and

563
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: the Bills are going to be the Bills. Yeah, just

564
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: operating off of that. This is a game to me

565
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: where you kind of have to let Mac try to

566
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: cook a little bit. Like, I just don't think you're

567
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: gonna We know about the sideline outburst the last time

568
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: around on the Thursday night game, quick game. I'm not

569
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: going to use the profanity, but you know we all

570
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: remember what he said, right, And I just don't think

571
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna beat this Bill's team because you're going to

572
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: have to score in the twenties to get a win

573
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: at least. And I'm giving the defensive end of the

574
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: fit of the doubt that they can hold Buffalo to

575
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: thirty or under. Right, I think they can, But they

576
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: are gonna, right, That's why I think they can. But

577
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: they have to score twenty seven, right, they are. It

578
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: has to be thirty to twenty seven or twenty seven

579
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: twenty four or something like that, they're not going to

580
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: win this game in the teens, and to play conservatively

581
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: like they did on that Thursday night game where they're

582
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: running quick game and they're trying to run the ball

583
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: like you're not going to keep up with Buffalo on

584
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: the scoreboard like that. And I think that they've shown

585
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: enough over the last couple of weeks opening up the

586
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: passing offense and throwing the ball down the field a

587
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: little bit more that to give the coaches confidence that

588
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: they could do it right, that Matt can put the

589
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: ball on people, that the receivers can get open, that

590
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: the line can hold up well enough to give those

591
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: opportunities a chance to get down the field. And I

592
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: think that they've shown enough explosiveness over the last couple

593
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: of weeks to keep trying to do that. Because if

594
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: you go into this Bills game and you try to

595
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: go back to that Thursday night game plan and you're

596
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: trying to throw beat Josh Allen with six yard passes

597
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: down the field, and I know he doesn't play defense,

598
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 1: but the point is is that you have to score

599
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: trying to go punch for punch with him. Yeah, I

600
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: just don't think that you can hang that way. And

601
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: I would much rather if they're gonna lose and they're

602
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: gonna miss out on the playoffs, like I would much

603
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: rather than go down swinging. Well, that's kind of what

604
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: I was gonna say. You know, on what hand, what

605
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: do you have to lose a playoff spot? And that's

606
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: something very significant to lose, right, I am well documented

607
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: is in being in the crowd of you people are

608
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: lunatics for wanting the team to miss the playoffs. Yeah,

609
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: but you just like you said, you're not gonna beat

610
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: Josh Allen in the Bills trying to win this game

611
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: sixteen fourteen, twenty three, twenty one, right, Like that's what

612
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: they did last week. Yeah, hold on tight, get that

613
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: scare on defense, and just grind it out. I think

614
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: that's what they wanted to do on that Thursday night

615
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: game too, to be honest with you, I think they

616
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: wanted them to elongate the game, right and the short game,

617
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: which which you do need to do against this team

618
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: to an extent. Yeah, you do need to do if

619
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: you're playing the Bills, and I've talked about this before,

620
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: you need to shrink their margin for error. That all

621
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: still stands from a defensive point of view, right, But

622
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: you do need to take some shots. You just do

623
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: you need. You can only beat the Bills their own

624
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: like you can only beat the Bills if you give

625
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: them a taste their own medicine a little bit. Yeah,

626
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: and it's much easier said than done. But I'm not

627
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: saying come out and be the Chiefs and run four

628
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: verticals NonStop. But you got to have a couple plays

629
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: in there that you're willing to kind of let it loose.

630
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: And this to go back to Miami game as well,

631
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: something we saw in that game that they haven't done

632
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: a lot this year. They've been very conservative this year

633
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: as a whole offensively on second and short. There's been

634
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: a lot of times where they get into second and one,

635
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: second and two and right run the ball. They've run

636
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: a number of quarterback steaks in that situation and sometimes

637
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: they get it, sometimes they don't. But that's a great

638
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: down to take a shot because the other team really

639
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: has to defend everything. Yeah, everything's on the table and

640
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: you're third and two, which is should be converted rights.

641
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: But the idea is now you have teams suckered in

642
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: where your tendencies what they're looking at when they get

643
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: that scouting report skew heavily towards Hey, they're probably gonna

644
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,719
Speaker 1: be conserve here. Yeah. On second and two and they

645
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: had three second and shorts against the Dolphins. Two of

646
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: them they threw down the field, once to Myers, once

647
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: to Thornton. The one to Thornton was incomplete, the one

648
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: to Myers was complete, and then there was a third

649
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: and two the second and two on that drive we

650
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: just talked about where they did do the quarterback sneak,

651
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: but more of that mentality. You know, if you and

652
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: first of all, I get to get in a second

653
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: and two, and we talked about that, but if you

654
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: can get in a second and one, two, three, take

655
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: some shots on those downs. Yeah, And I think that

656
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,479
Speaker 1: that's if they can do that and they can convert

657
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: on those it sounds like a little thing. I'm talking

658
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: about a very specific situation here. You know, they ran

659
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: how many plays fifty sixty plays against Miami. I'm talking about,

660
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: you know, three plays in a fifty game script, a

661
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: sixty game script. They ran fifty seven. I'm talking about

662
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: three plays in a fifty seven play script. Yeah, but

663
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: those can be impact plays. Those can be game changing plays.

664
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: So that's something i'd like to see. We saw it

665
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: for the first time last week. I'd like to see

666
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: if that carries over now. This has kind of been

667
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: a theme this year where they do something and it

668
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: looks encouraging and we maybe don't see it again. Well,

669
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: that's the thing that goes back to the identity thing,

670
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: right that I think sometimes this offense and this team

671
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 1: on offense this year gets too caught up in game plan, right, like,

672
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: what's the best thing to do against this team? Well,

673
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: you got to do what's what you can do best sometimes, right,

674
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: and what you've consistently been able to execute, and not

675
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: worry so much about it, especially when you're twenty six

676
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,399
Speaker 1: in the league in DVOA and any one, you're one

677
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: scoring drive per game for the most part, right, Like,

678
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,879
Speaker 1: you're not a good offense right now. So to get

679
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: caught up in all, well, this is a zone team

680
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: and they blitz or they don't blitz, or they this

681
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: or they that. Like, I just think it's too it's

682
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 1: over complicating things sometimes where you just need to run

683
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: your stuff, Like one, run the plays that you feel

684
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: confident in, that you feel good at and I think

685
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: that goes back to this game. I also you mentioned

686
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: the second down player they threw incomplete the Thornton. That

687
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: one was from like the thirty five or thirty six

688
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 1: yard line and it went into the end zone right

689
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: to throw it. I love that because, yeah, it was

690
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: incomplete on that play. But I love the idea of

691
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,919
Speaker 1: taking shots from the fringe read zone right right, because

692
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: it's not good in the red zone. So what's the

693
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: point of getting into the red zone? Like, there's no

694
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: so I would I've been harping all year long from

695
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: the twenty five yard line. Can we just throw it

696
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: into the end zone from the twenty five because there's

697
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: more space obviously, right, So there's easier it should be

698
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: technically an easier access, and maybe you get it down

699
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: to the one yard line on a DPI like on

700
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 1: the Jacobe Myers right, and now all of a sudden,

701
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 1: it's a little bit easier and you're not trying to

702
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: drive it in the red zone anymore. Right, You're not

703
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,959
Speaker 1: first in ten or first and goal from the nine.

704
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: You're first and goal from the two, And that makes

705
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 1: things a whole lot easier for the offense at that point.

706
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: And it's something we know this offense can do. They

707
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: do it last year with Hunter Henry from like that

708
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five yard line range, he was automatic. Yeah

709
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: in that range. All right, we got more to defense

710
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:04,399
Speaker 1: because we got Bill coming up at eleven forty five things,

711
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 1: so we got we gotta move defense first and foremost.

712
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 1: I I want to talk about this game and give

713
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: them credit for this game because I thought they did

714
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: this was the best job. And I know that they

715
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: played backup quarterback, but still I go watch you know,

716
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater and Skyler Thompson against Minnesota earlier this year,

717
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: they lit them up, right, So just because they play

718
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: these two backup quarterbacks, I don't think we can write

719
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: off everything that they did. I want to give them

720
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: credit because I thought this was probably the best game

721
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: that they had this year at handling a number one

722
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: elite receiver and Tyree Hill and and really in a

723
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: number one elite receiver in Jalen Waddle as well. Right,

724
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: you could those two guys combined I believe had under

725
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: one hundred yards in this game, or right around one

726
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: hundred yards. And look, I don't care who the backup

727
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: quarterbacks are, those guys are still run they're gonna run

728
00:36:55,160 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 1: their routes less, right, They're gonna run less like technically

729
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: sound right, right, Because it's a backup quarterback, they're sticking

730
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: with those guys in coverage. It doesn't matter who the

731
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: quarterback is at that point. Right. So they've played a

732
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: lot of this zone coverage, and I think there is

733
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 1: something to be said. I believe. I'm trying to remember

734
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: the staff the top of my head since the Bills

735
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: game in Week thirteen, where they've played teams like the Bills,

736
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 1: you know, they've played obviously the Bengals, the Dolphins like

737
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 1: these good passing games. Right, they are zone coverage on

738
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: like eighty five percent of their downs. They don't play

739
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:35,280
Speaker 1: man anymore. They just don't. And that's that's fine. It's

740
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 1: because they don't trust the corners, right. You know they

741
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: have Tay Hayes, you know, playing out there at corner,

742
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: who's been on the team for three days. You're not

743
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 1: going to go have him. Oh yeah, you got Jalen

744
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: wat right, you know you're not going to do that

745
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 1: as much now. I think there is something to be

746
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: said of can you do this against an elite quarterback?

747
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 1: Can you do this against Josh Allen on Sunday, where

748
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: a lot of what you're doing is, you know, they're

749
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: playing a lot more split safety, and they're spinning it right,

750
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 1: they're playing right, they're starting in two, they're making it

751
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: one and they're starting in one and they're making it happen. Right. Yeah,

752
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 1: they're just spinning the dial in zone against these quarterbacks.

753
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 1: And maybe that works against the Teddy Bridgewater, but it

754
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: doesn't work against the Joe Burrow, or maybe it works

755
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 1: against you know, a Derek Carr, but it might not

756
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: necessarily work against the Josh Allen. Well Alan historically better

757
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: against Man. Well, their receivers are just so good that

758
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: you know, if you want to try to cover Stefon

759
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: Digs in Man for four quarters like good, right, And

760
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: that's why I think a big reason why they're so good.

761
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: They're great against Man, they're great against post safety right

762
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: single high. They just shredded. They shred it. So what

763
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: they're trying to do, and this is the sort of

764
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: every single time I ask a player a coach about this,

765
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: is that they want offenses to have to march. They

766
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: want them to have to go on a fifteen play

767
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: touchdown drive instead of a five play touchdown driving. I

768
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 1: know that sounds obvious, but it's not how teams always play.

769
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 1: You know. Miami is a defense that tries to come

770
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: after your aggressive and they try to play aggressive. And

771
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: let's not confuse that with Ben don't Break, because that's

772
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 1: not it's not exactly the same thing. No, I don't

773
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: think so, because I think what they're trying to do

774
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: is get that mistake right. And I don't mean get

775
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: that mistake where they stall out in the red zone.

776
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: I mean get the Kyle Dugger picks. They know how

777
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 1: well the secondary ballhawks, and they are trying the more

778
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 1: throws you have to make in all these different looks.

779
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 1: They're basically just trying to make the quarterback dizzy. Yeah,

780
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: is ultimately what it is. Hey, you're gonna run fifteen plays,

781
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: You're gonna see fifteen different looks, right, and then you're

782
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: gonna come out on the next drive and you're gonna

783
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: have to guess what you're gonna see again. And it

784
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: just they are trying to force theseus. They are trying to,

785
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 1: you know, make these quarterbacks mentally malfunction right where it's

786
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 1: just just just data overload. And I think the other

787
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 1: thing that they're really trying to do, which they did

788
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: a really good job against Miami in this game, and

789
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: I think at times they did a good job against Buffalo.

790
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: And the first matchup is they're trying to get the

791
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: quarterback off the first read, right, and they know the

792
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: first read is gonna be Tyree kill or it's gonna

793
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: be Wattle, or it's gonna be Digs or something like that, right,

794
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: So if they can get the quarterback to hold the football,

795
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 1: and they haven't always done it right because the quarterbacks

796
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: that they've faced the Bridgewater in the beginning of this game,

797
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: they've done a nice job of just taking profits. Right. Okay,

798
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: if you're gonna back off and play zone, we're gonna

799
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: take the underneath stuff. But at the same time, I

800
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: think what they've been able to do at times successfully

801
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: is get the quarterback to hold the football and now

802
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the quarterbacks holding the football and

803
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: Judon and uj and Barmore are coming after him and

804
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: they're able to get some pass rush going. And I

805
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: think that's sort of the key as well, or the

806
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 1: goal I want to talk about Kyle Duggers, Well, I

807
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 1: would just say that thing when it comes to the Bills,

808
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 1: And I say this all the time. They can get impatient. Yes,

809
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 1: they want to play their game. They want to be

810
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: the Globe trotters. They want that five play scoring drive

811
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 1: and something Josh Allen has done much better against the

812
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: Patriots than any other opponent. He seems to be more

813
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 1: willing to be patient against the Patriots than anybody else.

814
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. Yeah, it maybe it's

815
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: just Bill, but you watch him play, and you know,

816
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: like last year, right going into the game here, those

817
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: like three or four games before that, he was not

818
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: playing well. He had like a three pick game against

819
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,240
Speaker 1: the Falcons, and it was the same thing because teams

820
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 1: are just baiting him into it. And then he came

821
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 1: here and he took checkdowns all day and he just

822
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: marched right up the field. They didn't seeven to have

823
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: an issue with it. So I like, he'll watch He'll

824
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 1: probably do that again. But Alan in this offense is

825
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 1: a group. You can make him patient and they will

826
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 1: eventually think, hey, we're talented, forget what they're giving us.

827
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 1: Let's try that deep shot and that will backfire on

828
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: them at times. It hasn't against the Patriots, but it

829
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: does against other teams. Yeah, on Kyle Dugger, he's very

830
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: good AFC Defensive Player of the Week ye Pro Bowl

831
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,760
Speaker 1: snub his game, and I mean this as a compliment,

832
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: and I think people are gonna take it as an insult.

833
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: His game reminds me a lot of prime Jamie Collins

834
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 1: because he's got these unbelievable, unreal flashes right where he's

835
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: making these plays like the pick six where he jumps

836
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: a route, he drops off the line of scrimmage, from

837
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:12,240
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage, drops to depth, jumps the route,

838
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: and then has this ridiculous return where he's stiff arm

839
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: and guys and breaking tackles and things like that, and

840
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: you're like, holy crab, Like that's an all pro safety

841
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: type of play. Yeah. He also gets loose a little

842
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 1: bit uncoverage. Sometimes it gets lost in zone coverage, right,

843
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 1: and we'll give up some stuff. So the player that

844
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: actually gave up according to PFF, that gave up the

845
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 1: most yards and coverage in this game was Dugger. Okay, right,

846
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 1: so he has He's a boom er bust player right

847
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: now to a degree. But I still think that the

848
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 1: boom out in his case with the offense, I don't

849
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 1: think that's the case, right, I think the offense is

850
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,479
Speaker 1: too much bust, But with Dugger, I think in his case,

851
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,839
Speaker 1: the boom is certainly outweighing the bust. And I'll take

852
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 1: some of the bust for the pick sixes, especially with

853
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: this team because they need it right And and the

854
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 1: way he attacks the line of scrip image is tremendous,

855
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 1: you know, against the run, as a blitzer, all that

856
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: type of stuff. He's still is coming along a little bit.

857
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 1: I think in coverage, I still think that that's an

858
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: area of weakness of his game. But I think with

859
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: Jamie Collins in his prime, I still think Jamie Collins

860
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: was a great player, right, And I think Dugger's a

861
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: good player. So I think some of that conversation of

862
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 1: well is he really you know, as he overrated? Is

863
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: he good? You know whatever? I think too. I don't

864
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:35,879
Speaker 1: know if that's really fair to him to be like, oh, well,

865
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 1: he gave up all these yards in coverage. But they're

866
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: asking him to go and make make plays on the ball.

867
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: They're not asking him to be Gilani to buy where

868
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: you're just playing your role, like he's got to make

869
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 1: big time impact plays. And I think sometimes we fall

870
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 1: into this as well with Judon, where you know, maybe

871
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: he lets the quarterback out of the pocket once every

872
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 1: ten times, but the Patriots they don't need him to

873
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: just like push the pocket and collapse it, right. They

874
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 1: need jude On to go out and get sacks, and

875
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 1: go out and get and get force takeaways and force

876
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: big game changing games, swinging drive swinging plays in the

877
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: defense's favor, and I think dugger falls into that category

878
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: as well. So you're knock is basically that he's not

879
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 1: ed Reid, which like isn't wrong. But if that's the

880
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: worst thing he can say about the guy, he's pretty

881
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 1: freaky good, right, I think. And I don't think he

882
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 1: quite has the interception numbers because he's not targeted as much.

883
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: But I know, I think that Duggard this year is

884
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: very similar to what j. C. Jackson was for this

885
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: defense last year, right where he's he's the turnover machine.

886
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: And well, it's funny you say that, because I think

887
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: some of what I see with him not necessarily in

888
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,760
Speaker 1: terms of the like how you'd write up a scouting

889
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: report on a player. But yeah, there is a similarity

890
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,320
Speaker 1: with jac Jackson in that there are these players that

891
00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:00,919
Speaker 1: just they just get football on the level that it's

892
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: it's not even a football IQ thing. And I think

893
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 1: Dougger has a very high football IQ. But the way

894
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: he reacts just his knack to be able to get

895
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: in the right place at the right time. And some

896
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: people hear that and they think luck. No, it's not

897
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 1: a luck thing. Like you just watch him and you

898
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 1: can see him realize I need to be in this

899
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: spot now, and he has the athleticism to get there.

900
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 1: That's what that pick was, and he talked about it

901
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 1: after the game. He's in a coverage assignment, his assignment

902
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: stays into block, he becomes a free player. He recognized

903
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: the route, conversation, combination, and boom, he gets right there

904
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: in the spot and he makes the pick. And the

905
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: thing about players like that is the more football they see,

906
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: the better they get because it's basically just processing information. Right,

907
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,919
Speaker 1: I've seen this before. I do I know what's coming.

908
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: It's kind of Tom Brady's answers to the test thing. Yeah, right,

909
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: he just knows. His instincts in the moment are so

910
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: good that he just knows, Okay, I've seen this, this

911
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: is how I need to react. And the more football

912
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: players like that see, the better they get because they

913
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 1: simply have more information to work with. Jac Jackson is

914
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 1: a great example of a very instinctual player and the

915
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: more he saw, the better he guy. Jack Jones is

916
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 1: another guy I've talked about in this light where his

917
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 1: instincts are great and he needs to get beat a

918
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 1: couple times to kind of see. I also find the

919
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 1: game plays off of them. But if you're gonna play

920
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: like that, I also think you are going to get beats.

921
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: You are, but because it becomes a learning process, and

922
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: it also just inherently you're trying to make plays on

923
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: the fall and sometimes you are going to get beat,

924
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:34,399
Speaker 1: or sometimes you're not going to be in the right place,

925
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 1: I think. But I think with Jack get what I

926
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: would say to aggressive with it, but I don't think

927
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: that's necessarily Dugger's problem, and we well Jack's a rookie too, right.

928
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 1: The more you see, the better it gets. There are

929
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: some guys that have great instincts but never hone them,

930
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: and they just become these overly aggressive boom er bus players.

931
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 1: Whereas you know with Kyle Dugger, you're seeing a guy

932
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: that I think is adjusting, is learning, is taking that

933
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: information in applying it forwards. I think you mentioned the

934
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: Boom er bust. I mean it's it's much more towards

935
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: Boom than it was even a year ago. Yeah. So

936
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 1: he has those instincts, he has that quick twitch ability,

937
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 1: and now he's starting to use his experience to build

938
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: on that and become an even better player. Yeah. I

939
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,720
Speaker 1: couldn't agree more. And I think that, like I keep saying,

940
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 1: with guys like Jamie Collins, with guys like a JC, yeah,

941
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: do you take some of the times where they get

942
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: beat for the pick sixes? Right? You just take some

943
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 1: of the times. And I think that with Dougger, he's

944
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: got a really solid baseline of run defense, that he's

945
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 1: a he's a four down player just because of that, right,

946
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: you know, and the fact that he can be so

947
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: many different things for this team too. You know, he

948
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 1: plays a traditional strong safety, he plays a linebacker, he

949
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: plays the edge or the nickel spot, like, he can

950
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: do all these different thing on the boundary a couple

951
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 1: times this year, Yeah, they they'll play him on the

952
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: boundary in those three safety packages from time to time.

953
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 1: So to I think that Dugger wears more hats in

954
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: this defense than anybody else I think he's surpassed and

955
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 1: Adrian Phillips type role. I think he's surpassed some of

956
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 1: the guys up front that that move on and off

957
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage. He plays at the back end,

958
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: he plays on the boundary, he plays in the in

959
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,800
Speaker 1: the slot. He plays at the linebacker level. He plays

960
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,280
Speaker 1: on the edge of the defense like he plays in line.

961
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,720
Speaker 1: When he they blitz him, you know, on those zeros,

962
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: or they bluff them like they did on the pick six.

963
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 1: He plays all over the field for this team. Last question,

964
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 1: it's his own role. It's his own. It's not he's

965
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:39,959
Speaker 1: not even this point the only guy. And I wasn't

966
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: old enough to really study Rodney Harrison, but I have

967
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 1: a feeling that this is pretty similar to how they

968
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 1: ended yeah, how they ended up using Rodney back then.

969
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 1: So so I was actually looking at Rodney last night.

970
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: I know we got to wrap it up, but I

971
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 1: have to put this tangent out. No time for this.

972
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,320
Speaker 1: Rodney Harrison comes in the league now he's a safety

973
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:01,839
Speaker 1: or linebacker, he's probably dugger see. I think he's more like, uh,

974
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 1: like Jamal Adams, like a Fred Warner tight or maybe

975
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: the name I want to use and it hasn't panned out.

976
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 1: But the guy we thought na Kobe Dean was gonna

977
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 1: be coming out of the draft, he's bigger than a

978
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:16,720
Speaker 1: Kobe Dean, though not that much. Nakobe Dean's like five eleven,

979
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: like two twenty. Ronnie Harrison six one, two twenty. I

980
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 1: just remember Ronnie being thicker than that. He's listed to

981
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 1: two twenty. I was surprised too when I looked it

982
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: up last night, but six one, two twenty back that

983
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 1: no shot. Now he might have been aligned back. I

984
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 1: just an interesting We have a I wish we had

985
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 1: more time than I wish we had a Hall of

986
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:37,879
Speaker 1: we had we had a Hall of Fame minute plan,

987
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: but all the schedules can pack today, so we're not

988
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 1: gonna be able to get to it. We'll get to

989
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:43,479
Speaker 1: it for well, we'll get to it next week because

990
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: I'm fired up about that as well. All Right, it's

991
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: it's getting ridiculous. I want to have this conversation with you. Yeah,

992
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: the really quickly, because it's all I gotta get it

993
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: out really quickly. Seventies Steelers, how many guess how many?

994
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 1: How they have twe? Yeah? How about the Lombardi packers

995
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: a lot twelve twelve Hall of famers on the Lombardi packers,

996
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 1: And don't get me wrong, I think it should be

997
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 1: harder than it was back then to get into the

998
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. So I don't think there are ten

999
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame players on the Dynasty era of Patriots.

1000
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 1: But right now we are trending and it depends like

1001
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 1: if you want to count Moss and Revs, you can

1002
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 1: count Moss and Revs. Did you count Lombardi? Like do

1003
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 1: you count the coaches and that? No, that those are additional,

1004
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: But I think Bill get right, So that's so right now,

1005
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:35,399
Speaker 1: it's trending towards probably five. Right, So you have Law

1006
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: and you have seen Moore already in how many people

1007
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 1: are gonna be in with Patriots rings? Like, that's more

1008
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,720
Speaker 1: the conversation. So they have Lombardi and they have Lombardi,

1009
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: they have Law and see Moore already in. Yeah, Brady

1010
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: is obviously going to be in, Vinitari will probably get in,

1011
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:53,839
Speaker 1: and then Gronkowski will get in. Yeah. Right, so that's five. Now,

1012
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:56,879
Speaker 1: if you want to count Moss and Revs you can,

1013
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: so that that that's technically seven, but it's not even

1014
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 1: with a ring, right, And it's different because the Seventiesers

1015
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 1: didn't have free agency, right, So you know me and

1016
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: Joe Green played for the Steelers for thirteen years for

1017
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:12,800
Speaker 1: his entire career, right, he didn't go anywhere. But for

1018
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: guys like Vince Wilfork, guys like Rodney. I would even

1019
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:20,800
Speaker 1: put guys like Devin mccordy in that conversation, Dante, Hi Tower,

1020
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: Julian and Dillon, those guys. If those guys were on

1021
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: the seventies Steelers, they're lock Hall of Famers. Yeah, But

1022
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: the Patriots they're not even gonna be. They're not even finalists,

1023
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: let alone in the Hall of Fame. It's you can't

1024
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 1: have treated it one way for all of these years,

1025
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 1: and then you get to the modern, modern, modern era

1026
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: and now all of a sudden, all like all these

1027
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: other guys are going to get in. And I mean

1028
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 1: part of the problem though, is the Hall has not

1029
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 1: done a great job recognizing like not specialist players and

1030
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 1: like kickers and punters. But well they have, but guys

1031
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 1: who like Vince Wilfork wasn't a statistical monster, right, and

1032
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,919
Speaker 1: he wasn't you know, a guy like Julian Edelman wasn't

1033
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 1: a traditional wide receiver. Matthew Slater's another one. The fact

1034
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 1: that Devin Hester has gotten to a second ballot blows

1035
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 1: my mind. Yeah, because I think they look at him

1036
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: as a wide receiver who also returned kicks, but like

1037
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: he's the greatest kick return of all time. Kick returning

1038
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: is a position like the So the finalist came out

1039
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: last night. They're fifteen of them. Some of them are locks,

1040
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: Joe Thomas, Terrell Reeves. You know those guys are Hall

1041
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 1: of Famers, Okay, but you're telling Hester as a finalist

1042
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 1: should be in. Yeah, Hester, like Jared Allen is a finalist.

1043
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 1: I mean he could play, He could player, but he

1044
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 1: could over some of these other guys. I don't know,

1045
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: but he was a hell I don't know every wide receiver.

1046
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:45,839
Speaker 1: Reggie Wayne, Tory Hold, Andre Johnson. Andre Johnson's the best

1047
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 1: one out of that group. Like he's he was an animal, okay,

1048
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,320
Speaker 1: and he's playing with like Sage Rosenfelds and things like

1049
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: that in Houston. But it's just I don't know, Reggie

1050
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: Wayne's gonna get into the Hall of Fame. But Reggie

1051
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 1: Wayne is to Indianapolis. What you know, Julian Edelman is

1052
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 1: or Wes Welker is to the Patriots, right, you know,

1053
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 1: and it's just I don't know. All right, let's let's

1054
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 1: get to these calls. You guys got to be quick,

1055
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: but we can get to these two calls here before

1056
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 1: we wrap up. Justin and Virginia, thanks for hanging on.

1057
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 1: How you doing, hey, guys, how you gonna? How are

1058
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: you doing good? Thanks? Hey. I'd also add to Kyle

1059
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 1: Dugger just like the value he provides and run defense,

1060
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:26,800
Speaker 1: like when he was on the field versus when he

1061
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 1: was off, was just unmatched. Yeah, yeah, he's a great

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00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 1: run defender. Absolutely. Quick question though, Um, a lot of

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00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,919
Speaker 1: people bring up Kirk Cousins and Derek Carr when they're

1064
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 1: like talking about Mac jones physical skill set. If we

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Speaker 1: gave him the weapons and support that Matt Ryan kind

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00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: of had for the better part of his career, how

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00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,319
Speaker 1: do you think he would like match up to Matt Ryan.

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00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 1: That's a good question. Appreciate your going, Thank you. So

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Speaker 1: I tried to make the Matt Ryan comparison once upon

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Speaker 1: a time with Matt Jones. Matt Ryan is six four

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00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,879
Speaker 1: and like you know, he's just a bigger specimen than

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Speaker 1: Mac Jones is so, I think there are probably a

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00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 1: lot more physical tools to Matt Ryan's game than maybe

1074
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 1: people remember, and maybe compared to Mac. But I mean,

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00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: if you get Mac Jones, Prime Julio Jones and like,

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00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 1: that's I'm sure he would look great too, you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's I definitely agree with the caller in

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00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 1: that respect. I don't know that he's gonna like win

1079
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 1: an MVP, but whatever one step below that is sure. Yeah,

1080
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 1: I could see it if he had Prime Julio Jones

1081
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 1: and Kyle Shanahan calling his plays. And I'm not sure

1082
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 1: if you would win an MVP either. Tony Gonzalez there

1083
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 1: for that, I don't. I think that was post Tony okay,

1084
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 1: but he obviously had Tony Gonzalez. First I met for

1085
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: his career, was Tony Gonzalez there? Maybe not? I was

1086
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 1: there that year? Oh yeah, absolutely, yeah, he had. They

1087
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: had Julio and Tony Gonzalez at one point when they

1088
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 1: were I think they made it to maybe one NFC

1089
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 1: championship game, or maybe they were competitive in a divisional game.

1090
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 1: I remember that for some reason. I think it was

1091
00:54:56,680 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 1: an NFC championship game. All right, Patty, what's going on up, guys,

1092
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:05,399
Speaker 1: real quick point before my couple of questions. I said

1093
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: it when Nias Williams went into the Hall of Fame

1094
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 1: before ty Law. But if Bryan Dodkins is in the

1095
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, Rodney Harrison absolutely belonged to the Hall

1096
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:17,879
Speaker 1: of Fame. So just a couple of quick questions are

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00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 1: with what happened on this past Monday night, do you

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00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 1: think that these Bills players, if they line up, especially

1099
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 1: on defense, might be might still be in a little

1100
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: bit of state of shock, and that might might thank

1101
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 1: for a little bit more competitive game. Wanted to get

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00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 1: your thoughts on that and the last collar justin who

1103
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:41,359
Speaker 1: brought up guys comparable to back? I dare you guys

1104
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:44,320
Speaker 1: to find me a better top to Mac. Maybe not

1105
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 1: hype wise, but just watch him play, Eli Manning. It's

1106
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 1: almost like you're watching the exact same quarterback. That's all

1107
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 1: I got. I don't thanks for call, Patty, I don't.

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00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 1: I don't hate that Eli com I know people around

1109
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 1: here are going to hate that just because of all

1110
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 1: the history, But I think Mac takes care of the ball,

1111
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit better than Mac's never gonna lead

1112
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: the league in turnovers, Yeah, there's a couple things. He's

1113
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 1: not gonna lead the league. And to be fair, but

1114
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 1: he's never gonna lead the league in turnovers. Yeah, but

1115
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: I understand from like an throwing motion, like all like

1116
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 1: playing style. I mean, if you want to talk about

1117
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 1: the aesthetic thing we set off the top, like guys

1118
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 1: Eli and Peyton both right, remember that, Yeah, they were

1119
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 1: ugly players. Um what was the other thing that he

1120
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 1: brought up? Oh, if the Bill's defense, I don't know.

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00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 1: I can't really like speak to that until we see it. Look,

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00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,399
Speaker 1: I'll say this, I'm not gonna blame guys for being

1123
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 1: hesitant about playing a FOA game on Sunday, like I

1124
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 1: I wouldn't blame any of them for that. Now, how

1125
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 1: that impacts the game itself, who knows. You know, maybe

1126
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 1: it's a thing where you kind of you know, as

1127
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 1: the game goes on, they feel better about it. Um,

1128
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't blame any but it. And it could

1129
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:50,399
Speaker 1: be the reverse. It could be, Hey, you know, let's

1130
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 1: go win this for our guy and and maybe you

1131
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:54,439
Speaker 1: get that effect too. I don't know how they're thinking.

1132
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 1: And the reality is it's probably gonna be a range

1133
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 1: and different guys are gonna fall in different parts points

1134
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 1: of that scale. But I went on anybody for coming

1135
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 1: into that and by across the league, I wouldn't fault

1136
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 1: players for coming into this game and maybe being a

1137
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:13,760
Speaker 1: little timid to start on Sunday. Yeah, I don't necessarily

1138
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 1: think that they're gonna be timid to tackle people and stuff,

1139
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 1: because once you get back out there, I think it

1140
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 1: just becomes second nature. Like I'm a football player, this

1141
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 1: is sort of what I do, right, But I do wonder.

1142
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 1: The big thing for me is if the Chiefs win

1143
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 1: on Saturday, yeah, and they decide the NFL has decided

1144
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 1: that they're not going to play Bengals Bills, which I

1145
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 1: think was reported this morning. It was trending them right.

1146
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 1: Then the Bills can't get the number one seed. So

1147
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: at that point they're they're talking about two and three. Now,

1148
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 1: if they win, they would be the two, so that

1149
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 1: would guarantee to home playoff games. So it's not it

1150
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 1: is a factor, but I think that at that point,

1151
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 1: you know you're playing on wildcard weekend, you know you're

1152
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 1: not getting the buy. I think to a degree, maybe

1153
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 1: you get to a point there where how much does

1154
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 1: that game really mean to Buffalo. I think the two

1155
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 1: seed is somewhat important because you're gonna play the Bengals

1156
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 1: Tech probably on the divisional round, and you want that

1157
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 1: to be in Buffalo. But I don't know if that

1158
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 1: alone is enough to get everybody up for this game,

1159
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 1: especially after what happened on Monday night. And I also

1160
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 1: play all out, Like if you're Josh Allen on Sunday

1161
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 1: and you can't get the number one seed, Sean McDermott

1162
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 1: has to be saying to Josh Allen like, hey, like,

1163
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 1: let's cool it this week. All right, we gotta get

1164
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 1: get going here. I'm sorry to Jerry on the line.

1165
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 1: We'll call back for Unfiltered. They'll be on at noon.

1166
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Speaker 1: We're gonna go talk to coach Belichick right now, and

1167
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 1: Alex and I will be back next week. Where our

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00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 1: time keeps on changeing, We're sorry about that, but we're

1169
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 1: just trying to We're probably gonna be on at this time.

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Speaker 1: We're just trying to stay on video because we know

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00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:55,120
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