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Speaker 4: We should look back at the first bill in Congress

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Speaker 4: I'll say this, Joe Biden should not be on the

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Speaker 5: And secure patience for the union bosses. I think that's

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Speaker 3: A choice, but victimhood is a choice.

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Speaker 5: Choose to be victorious in the United States of America.

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Speaker 3: That was the rhetorical difference between the two.

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Speaker 2: talk about it now. American Compass, our great friend or

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Speaker 2: You're right, I mean, on the Tim Scott thing, it's

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Speaker 2: because he's basically blaming the unions for not having their

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Speaker 2: I think public sector union and discussion of all that

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Speaker 2: What this was, and the American finance system absolutely wrecked it.

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Speaker 3: That's not the union's fault.

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Speaker 2: If anything, he's making an argument for much more stringent

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Speaker 1: So the backstory here is that the Central States Pension Fund.

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Speaker 1: Wall Street Creed. This pension performed so poorly under the

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Speaker 3: I think you're right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, so many of them had these poll tests

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Speaker 2: there about freaking curtains. They were arguing about whether Nikki

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Speaker 2: Real questions about Trump? Are you gonna support them? What

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 10: The former president, you know, he's missing an action tonight.

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Speaker 10: He's had a lot to say about that. He should

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Speaker 9: A long time.

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Speaker 2: So I actually thought that was an interesting, spicy moment.

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Speaker 2: Every time with him, I'm just like, hey, you know,

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Speaker 2: Number two, vik Ramaswami at twenty six percent.

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Speaker 3: It's funny.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure I agree with that or not in

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Speaker 2: a traditional way. I do just because I'm always like, okay,

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Speaker 2: if the new guy is getting fired and he's getting

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Speaker 2: the second amount of speaking time, Yeah, that's the metric

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Speaker 2: that I use last time around.

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Speaker 3: Guess what didn't matter at all?

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Speaker 2: Literally hasn't seen a single righte in a poll, a sausage,

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Speaker 2: a pole on in any average that we saw afterwards.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, okay, Then Rond.

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Speaker 2: DeSantis at seventeen percent, and then a smattering of Nicki Haley's,

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Speaker 2: Mike Penc's, Tim Scott's, Chris Christie's, I mean, outside of

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Speaker 2: the loser again being all of us who wasted our

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Speaker 2: time on this entire thing. I don't think Nicki Haley

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Speaker 2: came off particularly well last night. I'm curious what you think.

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Speaker 2: I thought that she came across. It was a canned

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Speaker 2: moment where she tried to go against a vak. She

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Speaker 2: was trying to recreate her moment of you don't have

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Speaker 2: any foreign policy experience, and it shows with the like,

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Speaker 2: you know, every time you say, every time you speak,

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Speaker 2: I feel dumber, Yeah, or something like that. I did

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Speaker 2: not find anything that she I didn't she didn't have

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Speaker 2: a moment, to be honest, none of them really had moments.

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Speaker 1: No, there was very hard to point to any breakout

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Speaker 1: moment from anyone. Really, it was just a mess. The

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Speaker 1: whole thing was just a mess. No one stood out.

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Speaker 1: And so I agree with you on Nicki Haley. You know,

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Speaker 1: I thought she had putting the substance aside because I

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Speaker 1: did a whole thing about it, like her foreign policy

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Speaker 1: I think is atrocious, ETCeteras are. But I thought she

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Speaker 1: had a strong first debate and I thought she really

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Speaker 1: exceeded expectations. I thought she was strong, she was clear,

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Speaker 1: she was unafraid of mixing it up. I thought she

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Speaker 1: was the one person who really kind of put the

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Speaker 1: vacant his place, you know, and had won the exchange,

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Speaker 1: even again putting the substance of the issue aside. And

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Speaker 1: she needed a follow up performance. She needed to show

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Speaker 1: it wasn't a flash in the pant. She needed to

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Speaker 1: consolidate that increase in the polls, that bump and fundraising

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Speaker 1: interest that she had after the first debate, and she

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Speaker 1: failed to do that. So in that way, I do

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Speaker 1: sort of feel like maybe she's the biggest loser just

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Speaker 1: because she had something to lose here in terms of

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Speaker 1: being the new donor favorite, the new media darling, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: And she definitely did not deliver a similar level of

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Speaker 1: performance as she did in the first debate. You know what,

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Speaker 1: It reminds me a little bit of Kamala Harris. Yes, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: she had that first debate back in twenty twenty, that

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Speaker 1: little Girl with Me. She had the whole moment, she

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Speaker 1: delivered it. It had an impact. She genuinely went up

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Speaker 1: in the polls. We forget now, but she went up

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Speaker 1: in the polls. That was her highest level during the

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Speaker 1: whole campaign, and so I was like, oh, maybe she

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Speaker 1: can you know, build on this. And then there was

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Speaker 1: never another moment because you know, those those scripted attack lines,

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Speaker 1: those scripted you know, sort of like fakely generated moments,

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Speaker 1: they're hard to pull off more than once. Yes, so

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Speaker 1: I feel like Niki was able to pull it off

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Speaker 1: in the first one and the second one not able

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Speaker 1: to land it and just ended up looking less adult,

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Speaker 1: less presidential. Part of that is she was taking more

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Speaker 1: incoming from other people or whatever. But I do think

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Speaker 1: that this, if you had to pick a loser. I

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Speaker 1: would probably pick Nicki Haley outside of like literally everyone,

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Speaker 1: because I think I could see her slipping back in

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Speaker 1: the polls and you know it being a little more muddled.

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Speaker 1: Who is going to be the donor favorite going forward?

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Speaker 1: And the reality is too I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: these donors who were hoping to have a Trump alternative

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Speaker 1: are kind of giving up at this point.

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Speaker 3: I mean, and they should give up.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look in the current you know, real clear

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Speaker 2: politics average, where do Trump stand?

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Speaker 3: He stands at fifty six percent. Ron DeSantis doesn't even

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Speaker 3: come close. He's at fourteen point four percent.

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Speaker 2: Hailey then is number three at five eight, and Ramaswami

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Speaker 2: is at five to one even in Iowa. And for

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Speaker 2: anybody who wants we did breakdown on this as well

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Speaker 2: during our debate preview. Trump in Iowa is at forty nine,

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Speaker 2: DeSantis is at sixteen. Trump in New Hampshire is at

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Speaker 2: forty four, Hailey is at thirteen. I mean, we're looking

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Speaker 2: at a clean sweep really across everywhere. Another thing that

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Speaker 2: people are forgetting in the Republican primary. The California primary

520
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Speaker 2: is now in Super Tuesday, and the current allocation of

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Speaker 2: the vote count looks like Trump is going to sweep

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Speaker 2: every single delegate out of California, which would effectively clinch

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Speaker 2: the nomination like three weeks into the actual primary. The

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Speaker 2: calendar right now and the way the primary processes works

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Speaker 2: in terms of the alec of delegates.

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Speaker 6: And all that.

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Speaker 3: This man it will it will not be in any

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Speaker 3: way like a long contest. It's not going to be

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Speaker 3: Obama two thousand and eight.

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Speaker 2: It's not going to be you know, Clinton in ninety

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Speaker 2: two or w even in two thousand and It's just

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Speaker 2: like it almost seems over before it began, which is

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Speaker 2: it's difficult in in order to treat it with this

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Speaker 2: level of seriousness. It's all just made me really think

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Speaker 2: of like watching a JV squad, like a JV squad practice.

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Speaker 11: What it felt like.

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Speaker 3: That's what it felt.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is absolutely what it felt like. And it's depressing,

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Speaker 1: you know, as people who care about politics and think

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Speaker 1: this stuff matters, and you know, want to like sort

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Speaker 1: through the policy differences and have people we actually potentially

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Speaker 1: like respected Ormer to be possibly president the United States.

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Speaker 1: It's depressing that on neither side do you have a

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Speaker 1: real contest. You know, I do think it's like a

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Speaker 1: bigger meta point about the decline of our democracy that

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Speaker 1: makes you feel like, like, do we even have any

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Speaker 1: real choices here? Because neither of the front runners, Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden or Donald Trump, are willing to actually subject themselves

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Speaker 1: to democratic process and there's nothing to force them to.

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Speaker 1: And so it's very every other presidential election in my

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Speaker 1: whole life, you've had these debates mean something and matter,

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Speaker 1: and even though they can be silly and political theater

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Speaker 1: and they're all putting on makeup with their can talking

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Speaker 1: about whatever, at least there was something there to talk about.

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Speaker 1: There was some sense that these issues were consequential, that

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Speaker 1: you had people that were weighing them, that what they

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Speaker 1: said on the stage might matter at all. And now

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Speaker 1: you just don't have any of that whatsoever, and so

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Speaker 1: it really is depressing. I think it's a sign of

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Speaker 1: the decay and decline of our society.

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Speaker 2: Frankly sad as one politician who was not there once

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Speaker 2: had to say, we've got Ryan and Emily standing by.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna have a nice power panel. We we're gonna

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Speaker 2: have them in for the rest of the show. We're

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Speaker 2: just gonna have a lot of fun. So we'll post

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Speaker 2: this one a little bit early, both for our PREMIU

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Speaker 2: subscribers and for everybody else. Everybody else, stay tuned, We're

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Speaker 2: gonna have a lot of great content for the rest

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Speaker 2: of the day.

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Speaker 3: We'll see you in a bit.

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Speaker 1: So we brought in some backup here, Ryan and Emily

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Speaker 1: joining our big power power panel that's right to evaluate

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Speaker 1: all of the wonderful moments from this debate that was

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Speaker 1: just uniformly loved last night. Welcome guys, great to see

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Speaker 1: you both.

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Speaker 11: Thanks you having you.

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Speaker 1: So we wanted to start with what was perhaps the

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Speaker 1: defining moment and the most significant moment of the debate,

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Speaker 1: which is when, for some unknown reason, Tim Scott decided

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Speaker 1: to pick a fight with Nikki Haley over curtains sexist,

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Speaker 1: which got good point, good point Emily, which extremely heated.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to how this all went down

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Speaker 1: and get reaction on the other side.

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Speaker 12: As the UN ambassador, you literally bring it, put fifty

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Speaker 12: thousand dollars on curtains and a fifteen million dollar subsidized location.

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Speaker 7: Next, you got bad information. First of all, I fought

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Speaker 7: the gas tax in South Carolina multiple times, against the

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Speaker 7: against the establishment. You know what that was when they

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Speaker 7: wouldn't pass the gas sex the establishment of the companies

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Speaker 7: wanted me to do it.

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Speaker 1: So much that I said, the only way I will.

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Speaker 3: Here's what you have to do. Three All you have

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Speaker 3: to do is go watch it on YouTube.

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Speaker 7: If you will give me three times the deduction and

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Speaker 7: income tax, then I will look at.

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Speaker 1: Your gat.

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Speaker 4: Exactly.

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Speaker 11: Secondly on the fifty here is.

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Speaker 9: A nice part.

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Speaker 7: Secondly, on the curtains, do you work ten because Obama

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Speaker 7: bought those curtains.

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Speaker 9: Did you send them back? Did you send them back?

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Speaker 1: It's the state department.

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Speaker 3: Did you send them back?

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Speaker 1: You're the one that works in Congress?

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Speaker 13: You get it.

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Speaker 9: You hung them on your curtains. They were there before

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Speaker 9: I even showed up at the residents. Here's a scrapping,

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Speaker 9: here's here's you want, as.

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Speaker 1: They were Obama curtains.

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Speaker 11: Emily is, well, let's not act like Obama didn't hang

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Speaker 11: the in here.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I mean I thought, guys that it just really

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Speaker 2: the reason we picked it is that was seven minutes left.

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Speaker 2: That was InLu by the way of closing statements from

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Speaker 2: the candidates, which is what's actually so insane.

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Speaker 14: It was better than.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what they chose to go with. I mean, Emily,

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Speaker 3: why do you think so?

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Speaker 2: Tim Scott obviously feeling a bit insecure, also from South Carolina.

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Speaker 2: Everybody said, oh, you played too much of a nice

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Speaker 2: guy last time.

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Speaker 3: You got to land some blows.

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Speaker 2: But like, what makes people think that this is actually

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Speaker 2: substantively or even like totally going to land with any

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Speaker 2: voters who are even watching at ten fifty pm last night?

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Speaker 9: So much?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, First of all, I think that Tim Scott sees

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Speaker 11: his main attack on Nikki Haley as being that she's

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Speaker 11: some sort of corporate welfare queen, which is true, by

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Speaker 11: the way, she's like a queen of crony capitalism. But

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Speaker 11: she that's clearly Tim Scott saying, like, if there's a

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Speaker 11: way for me to distinguish myself from this other very

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Speaker 11: popular person from South Carolina. In South Carolina, it's to

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Speaker 11: call her some sort of corporate welfare queen, to say

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Speaker 11: she loves foud money. I don't know if it's gonna

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Speaker 11: make any difference. I think we all know it's not

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Speaker 11: gonna make any difference. They're both jockeying to see if

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Speaker 11: somehow Elaine opens up where they can squeeze in the

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Speaker 11: second place. At some point, DeSantis fails, they're able to

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Speaker 11: someone you know, wins Iowa, New Hampshire and somehow listen,

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Speaker 11: don't trap us up by like, yeah, it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 11: But if you're going for second place, that's how Tim

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Speaker 11: Scott sees in the off chance that he and Nicky

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Speaker 11: Haley end up jockeying for second place. Yeah, that's his

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Speaker 11: line of attack against Nikki Haley. And that was a

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Speaker 11: preview of it.

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Speaker 1: I liked the goateee ran if anyone would know, do

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Speaker 1: you know the backstory? Not that it matters, but do

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Speaker 1: you know the backstory this whole curtain situation? Because I

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Speaker 1: don't even like digging into the recesses of my memory.

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Speaker 1: I don't remember this particular little mini skin.

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Speaker 15: My vague recollection is that Obama, the Obama administration had

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Speaker 15: done some renovations for the UN facilities.

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Speaker 2: That yes, the UN ambassador's residus residentes okay, And so

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Speaker 2: I think the key question is you're appointed ambassador to

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Speaker 2: the UN, you show up.

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Speaker 15: Obama has bought these nice curtains. You hate Obama, you

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Speaker 15: think he's born in Kenya if he should have been impeached,

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Speaker 15: but the curtains are lovely.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you do indeed world.

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Speaker 2: By the way, the apartment is very nice, actual sausage

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Speaker 2: pictures something. Samantha Power did a great job. I know,

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Speaker 2: apparently she spent a lot of money.

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Speaker 11: Wish.

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Speaker 3: I can't stomach any more of this ridiculous convo.

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Speaker 2: So let's actually get to the so called substance of this,

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Speaker 2: which was Trump's actual attack, or attack at least on

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Speaker 2: Trump for not showing up. We saw a pointed moment

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Speaker 2: from a couple of the candidates, one in particular, trying

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Speaker 2: to make something happen which really wasn't happening at all.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 10: They need to change what's going on. And where's Joe Biden.

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Speaker 10: He's completely missing in action from leadership. And you know

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Speaker 10: who else is missing an action? Donald Trump is missing

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Speaker 10: in action. He should be on this stage tonight. De

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Speaker 10: owes it to you to defend his record where they

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Speaker 10: added seven point eight trillion to the debt that set

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Speaker 10: the stage for the inflation that we have now.

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Speaker 6: I get in Washington, DC also, and Donald Trump should

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Speaker 6: be here to answer for that, but he's not. And

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Speaker 6: I want to look at that camera right now and

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Speaker 6: tell you, Donald, I know you're watching. You can't help yourself.

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Speaker 6: I know you're watching, okay, and you're not here tonight.

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Speaker 6: Not because of Poles and not because of your indictments.

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Speaker 6: You're not here tonight because you're afraid of being on

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Speaker 6: the stage and defending your record. You're ducking these things.

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Speaker 6: And let me tell you what's gonna happen you keep

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Speaker 6: doing that. No one up here is gonna call you

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Speaker 6: Donald Trump anymore. We're gonna call you Donald Duck.

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Speaker 8: All right.

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Speaker 2: I want to ask the grin minigame, you know, Crystal,

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Speaker 2: I feel like he could have just cut it right

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Speaker 2: before the whole Donald You.

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Speaker 3: Know, it was so good.

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Speaker 1: It was a good mind up, and the problem was

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Speaker 1: with him and they were sort of like engaged, and

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Speaker 1: then he land he throws out this Donald Duck line.

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Speaker 11: It was just like, oh, collective boomer bellyflop.

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Speaker 1: So absolutely absolutely, But I mean, listen, there were a

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Speaker 1: few like jabs, mostly around the fact that Trump wasn't there,

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Speaker 1: but they spent way more time attacking each other, Ryan,

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Speaker 1: and it's not like any one of them is anywhere

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Speaker 1: close to Donald Trump at this point. So it just

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Speaker 1: feels it all feels very weak to me in terms

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Speaker 1: of how far they're willing to go. And you can

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Speaker 1: trast that with you know, the things Trump is willing

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Speaker 1: to say about DeSantis or any of them. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's out now his his new line, which you can't

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Speaker 1: help but laugh at, because that's just how it is

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Speaker 1: with Donald Trump. He's out there like Ronda Santis is

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Speaker 1: fallen off as fast as a wounded bird like that,

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Speaker 1: and the Santas feels like he's really like going hard

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Speaker 1: when he's like, where is he should be here?

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Speaker 11: He's wounded because he called he called Joe Biden a stay,

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Speaker 11: a wretched old vulture.

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Speaker 16: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, he's always been interested in the birds with the windmills.

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Speaker 1: Now we brought the whales and whale concern into the windmills.

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Speaker 14: Dogs to him, Oh that's true. He doesn't like dogs,

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Speaker 14: and everything's like a dog.

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Speaker 9: Substance. Yeah.

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Speaker 14: I mean it should have been Donald Donald Dodge. Maybe

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Speaker 14: that could have worked.

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Speaker 9: Not sure.

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Speaker 1: Don't do the nicknames. It's Trump's thing. Just don't do

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Speaker 1: the nicknames.

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Speaker 15: They're all so bad that they made Trump look great again.

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Speaker 15: It's just remarkable, and it reminded me almost of twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 15: all of these clowns just trying to like throw spitballs

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Speaker 15: at him, right, and just none of it works. They're

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Speaker 15: like trying to talk substance and looking like normal candidates

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Speaker 15: even though what they're saying is completely empty and nobody

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Speaker 15: believes it. And then in the face of his like

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Speaker 15: presentation to these auto executives or whoever showed up at

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Speaker 15: this non union plant, it it just pales in comparison.

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Speaker 15: Even Trump when he's doing is like, like I sent

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Speaker 15: to you guys his ridiculous, ridiculous story about here. See

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Speaker 15: that's even way that nonsense is even more fun than

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Speaker 15: anything that these guys.

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Speaker 14: Had to offer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I completely agree. I mean, Emily, do you think

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Speaker 2: though that there is was there a way to make

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Speaker 2: that in a better way that I mean? I thought

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Speaker 2: the Santa's handled it fun, But I mean, it's just

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Speaker 2: difficult to take gauge it. It's like, dude, you're pulling

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Speaker 2: a fourteen percent. The guy's beating you by forty points. Like, realistically,

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Speaker 2: was there anything he could have done outside of that

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Speaker 2: to you know, let quote unquote land on something and

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Speaker 2: Trump get some Trump people over, you know, to his

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Speaker 2: corner here.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure. I'm sure if there is, because I

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Speaker 3: almost feel like he's playing a rigged game at this point.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I think it's a good question, and actually the

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Speaker 11: answer is I think he could continue to more successfully

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Speaker 11: use this will be controversial the tact that Vivek took

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Speaker 11: in the very first debate where he's talking about Donald Trump,

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Speaker 11: and of course you get into these questions of like, well,

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Speaker 11: if Trump was such a great president winner, you run well,

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Speaker 11: run to Saint Justs can answer that question because he

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Speaker 11: was governor of Florida and had high popularity. So that's

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Speaker 11: the DeSantis approach where he's actually trying to appeal to

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Speaker 11: like never Trump people instead of just Trump curious and

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Speaker 11: hardcore Trump people, which is you absolutely needed to win

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Speaker 11: you grassroots of the Republican primary. He always should have

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Speaker 11: been way less in the never Trump camp and way

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Speaker 11: more and you you will automatically be put in the

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Speaker 11: never Trump camp if you criticize Donald Trump constantly. And

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Speaker 11: I know that's hard in the Republican primary, but from

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Speaker 11: a political strategy, his consultants had months to figure this out. Yeah,

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Speaker 11: pretty obvious. You're going to immediately lose the trust of

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Speaker 11: those voters because they see him being indictments being stacked

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Speaker 11: up against Donald Trump. Whenever we think of it, the

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Speaker 11: voters see that as an attack on him. It's about

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Speaker 11: like solidarity with Trump.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: I actually have been a little bit persuaded that some

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Speaker 1: of the early attacks that DeSantis was trying to do

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Speaker 1: on Trump with regard to COVID and Fauci, were probably

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Speaker 1: the best lane for him. The issue is, I mean,

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Speaker 1: the timing just everybody's moved on, right, Yes, but I

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Speaker 1: think if you had a different universe where that was

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Speaker 1: still like the beating heart of what was going on

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Speaker 1: in the Republican Party, and then you're really beating up

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Speaker 1: on Fauci versus beating up on Trump. And we did

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Speaker 1: see this with our focus group, you know, the one

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Speaker 1: area where every there couple who were you know, disgusted

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Speaker 1: with Trump, they didn't want Trump anymore, and they were

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Speaker 1: very clear about and this it was New Hampshire, right,

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Speaker 1: so you have that strained there. But even the people

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Speaker 1: who were Trump's supporters, the one thing that a number

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Speaker 1: of them brought up that they had issues with his

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Speaker 1: administration was around the handling of COVID. So I do

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Speaker 1: think that was probably like the most promising attack, and

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Speaker 1: like I said, rather than it feeling like you were

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Speaker 1: just dumping on Trump. You could have used fauci as

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Speaker 1: like you know the guy that you're beating up on,

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Speaker 1: and then why did an insisty like why didn't you

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Speaker 1: fire and why'd you keep him there? Et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: That's probably the most promising line of attack for him still,

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Speaker 1: but it's just a little late, because, like I said,

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Speaker 1: people moved on. COVID feels like a long time ago.

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Speaker 2: I think the back you up is it's clearly where

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Speaker 2: that Trump people feel very uncomfortable.

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Speaker 1: They feel vulnerable there.

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Speaker 2: Yesterday or maybe a couple of days ago, at this point,

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Speaker 2: Carrie Lake would she go on Patrick Bett David's show

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Speaker 2: and she accused Dessant. She was like, he was masking kids,

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Speaker 2: he was doing the lockdown, and it was like and

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Speaker 2: it kind of came out and a lot of the

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Speaker 2: deshantest people actually got very upset. She ended up moving

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Speaker 2: on being like, let's all just agree to you know,

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Speaker 2: it's okay. COVID was a long time ago. I'm like, well,

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Speaker 2: why did you bring it up?

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Speaker 3: That lady is that said? You know, she's the tack dog,

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Speaker 3: she's she basically she doesn't live in Arizona. She lives

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Speaker 3: in mar Lago. From what I've heard, the ladies there

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Speaker 3: literally every night.

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Speaker 2: So clearly she's talking with Trump, She's talking with the

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Speaker 2: Trump advisors, and so Emily, I mean, clearly they feel

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Speaker 2: some vulnerability on the FAUCI and COVID handling, even though

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Speaker 2: I mean, frankly on the substance I've always thought, you know,

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Speaker 2: with Trump, I'm like, yeah, like, we live in a

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Speaker 2: federalist system such that DeSantis could do whatever he wanted

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Speaker 2: to do, which is also why California could do what

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Speaker 2: they wanted to do.

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Speaker 3: What is the president supposed to do? But that's a

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Speaker 3: whole other conversation.

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Speaker 11: Well, when Meghan Kelly started her interview with Trump, she said,

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Speaker 11: the number one thing I wanted to hear from my audience,

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Speaker 11: people who like you, is why you shut the country

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Speaker 11: down for so long. He freaked out. He did not

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Speaker 11: want to answer that question. Didn't have a good answer

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Speaker 11: to that question, to the point where actually was on

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Speaker 11: Megan Show yesterday and she was pulling out the receipts

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Speaker 11: like tweets that Trump posted in the time period when

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Speaker 11: he was like, oh, you know, it was all good,

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Speaker 11: Like I was delegating it to the governors. So I

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Speaker 11: think it is You're absolutely right. Both of you are

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Speaker 11: absolutely right. That has always been but it's tough because

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Speaker 11: it's now twenty twenty three and the hits don't land

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Speaker 11: like they did in twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 11: because now the country sort of moved on high inflation

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Speaker 11: war in Ukraine, it's a different political climate.

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Speaker 2: So that's always been a problem for DeSantis. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: think you're right. I mean, just to stay on the debate,

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Speaker 2: you know, continue. I just we were talking about it

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Speaker 2: a little bit before. I was curious what you guys

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Speaker 2: thought in terms of the questions. I mean, they kept

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Speaker 2: teeing them up for areas where there was no actual debate.

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Speaker 2: They're like, what do you think about crime? They're like,

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Speaker 2: I think crime is bad.

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Speaker 1: I I mean, wow, that was really revealing.

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Speaker 2: What difference would they all have, like where they have

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Speaker 2: no area of disagreement on transgenderism, on crime, really on

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Speaker 2: anything abortion.

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Speaker 3: Honestly, they probably is some disagreement. So I'm glad they

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Speaker 3: spent some time there.

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Speaker 2: Are the economy, uaw, I mean a little bit, you

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Speaker 2: know is Frankly, I would have liked to dug a

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Speaker 2: little bit deeper in there and tax policy and like

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Speaker 2: because there probably is some difference around top tax rates,

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Speaker 2: et cetera.

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Speaker 3: But we didn't get any of that.

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Speaker 1: Guys, like even you know, the government shutdown is like, yes,

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Speaker 1: they kind of a big oil right now. Questions me

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Speaker 1: and two questions that nobody even really addressed.

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Speaker 11: Press them.

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Speaker 1: And that's another area where there could be real divides

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Speaker 1: between the McArthur approach and then Matt Gates approach and

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Speaker 1: what Donald Trump has said and whatever, and they did

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Speaker 1: nothing to try to tease any of that out.

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Speaker 14: Did you notice that the premise of a lot of

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Speaker 14: the questions was left wing?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yes, I sort of enjoyed that first.

876
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Speaker 14: It's kind of funny, of course, I also knew its pointless.

877
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Speaker 15: Yeah, exactly if you if you tell someone, hey, the

878
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Speaker 15: executive pay is three hundred and seventy seven times as

879
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Speaker 15: much as workers, what are you going to do about that?

880
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Speaker 15: Like they're not doing anything about that, So it's not

881
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Speaker 15: actually question, but it's fun to hear it.

882
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Speaker 3: I thought that framing was fine.

883
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't even necessarily code that as left wing, just

884
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Speaker 2: because I think that one that's like empirical fact. So

885
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Speaker 2: like the other ones though, where on amnesty or slavery.

886
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Speaker 2: And I'm just like, okay, like what this is a

887
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Speaker 2: Chris Hayes interview, Like what doing here?

888
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Speaker 11: I have no problem with them getting tough questions, but

889
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Speaker 11: it's a Republican debate. You have people that are able

890
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Speaker 11: to bring out the contrast Republicans because.

891
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Speaker 14: Not responding to a left wing premise, they just like

892
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Speaker 14: blow past it.

893
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Speaker 1: But you know, if you think about it, yeah, they

894
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Speaker 1: definitely did just blow past it. I actually don't mind

895
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Speaker 1: the framing from an adversarial position if you think about it. Though,

896
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Speaker 1: no one would think anything of democratic debate questions being

897
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Speaker 1: framed from like a corporate right.

898
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Speaker 9: We're so.

899
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Speaker 1: We're just used to that being the case of like

900
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Speaker 1: you're going to spend too much money on Medicare or whatever.

901
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 1: Like they're always framed that way on the Democratic side.

902
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Speaker 1: So you know, maybe this is just a little bit.

903
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Speaker 3: Of that's actually good point.

904
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Speaker 2: If you're going to raise it to your if you're

905
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Speaker 2: going to phrase it in an adversarial way, then I

906
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Speaker 2: mean that's you know, and especially if it's going to

907
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Speaker 2: be like that on the other side of the debate,

908
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Speaker 2: then I actually think, you know, maybe I revise my position. Yeah,

909
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Speaker 2: it's more about let's get some goddamn disagreement.

910
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Speaker 11: It's like they didn't know where to bring out contrast

911
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 11: Republican candidates. And that's I mean, that's when you're using

912
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Speaker 11: left ring frame on the questions of no problem with

913
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Speaker 11: that whatsoever. But there it wasn't towards any helpful end. Right,

914
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Speaker 11: The conversations were constructive.

915
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Speaker 1: The weird thing is too that this was a Fox

916
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Speaker 1: Business and Univision debate, but they did very little on

917
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Speaker 1: the economy, and which is you know, one thing if

918
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Speaker 1: you're going to go into topics where again there's going

919
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Speaker 1: to be some debate and disagreement, but there were actually

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Speaker 1: be more debate and disagreement around some of these economic issues.

921
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Speaker 1: I mean you also have you know, big things happening

922
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Speaker 1: in the anti trust world that they could have gotten into. Yeah. Absolutely,

923
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Speaker 1: but you know, the government shutdown being a huge example

924
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Speaker 1: of this that's just totally invisible. And so by skipping

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Speaker 1: over their own what's supposed to be the core of

926
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Speaker 1: what Fox Business, I guess it's all about talking about

927
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Speaker 1: the economy, business, et cetera. They really left a lot

928
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Speaker 1: on the table in terms of some of the more

929
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Speaker 1: interesting divides that could have been in this debate is that.

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Speaker 15: Because they don't like to disagree about the economy, like

931
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Speaker 15: that's Fox business has been basically an ideology that goes unspoken,

932
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Speaker 15: and it is just at it was.

933
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Speaker 1: In the you know, Ronald Reagan Library.

934
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Speaker 15: Nostalgist their ideology, and if you start asking them about it,

935
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Speaker 15: you're going to get a bunch of them who are

936
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Speaker 15: going to give populist answers even if they don't believe it.

937
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Speaker 15: And then and then that's an awkward moment for Fox Business.

938
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Speaker 11: That's true. You could ask a question, Actually, this would

939
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Speaker 11: have been perfect. This is such a good point. This

940
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Speaker 11: is a huge point because Reagan Japan tariffs. You're at

941
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Speaker 11: the Reagan Library, a single point of disagreement that almost

942
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Speaker 11: every single one of those candidates have with the guy

943
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Speaker 11: who is up by forty points and just gave a

944
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Speaker 11: speech literally on economic nationalism. It's a phrase that he

945
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Speaker 11: used when he was talking at the non union plant

946
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Speaker 11: economic nationalism. He just gives this big speech and you

947
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Speaker 11: don't draw out the contrast between all of the candidates

948
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Speaker 11: and that big like the single divide, the biggest divide

949
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Speaker 11: between them and him. On policy is that he is

950
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Speaker 11: out there talking about economic nationalism, whether or not you

951
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Speaker 11: believe he'll deliver on it as a different debate, but

952
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Speaker 11: that speech was the new Right in an address, yes,

953
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Speaker 11: and so to not push them on that, I think

954
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Speaker 11: now that you guys brought that up, I think that

955
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Speaker 11: is actually a huge mistake.

956
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Speaker 2: It's an important point, and it's also one where you

957
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Speaker 2: know was trying. He's like, we cannot fall to the

958
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Speaker 2: siren song of populism, and like all this other stuff

959
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Speaker 2: that he's bringing, wondering why he's on the wing in

960
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Speaker 2: the stage.

961
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Speaker 3: It's very interesting.

962
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Speaker 14: You can't have a meal alone with populism.

963
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Speaker 2: That you I forgot that he made that joke about

964
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Speaker 2: how he's been sleeping with a teacher.

965
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Speaker 11: For thirty Joe Biden thirty eight years.

966
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Speaker 1: Christy brought up years.

967
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Speaker 3: Everyone he's wrong, everyone stopped.

968
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Speaker 1: I hated that. I didn't like when he mentioned he should.

969
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Speaker 14: Have gotten five minutes off the stage.

970
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Speaker 12: It.

971
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Speaker 11: But you can see you can see Pence debating whether

972
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Speaker 11: or not to say it, like the wheels were turning

973
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Speaker 11: in his head. He like sort of slowed down. And

974
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Speaker 11: yet if if you missed this moment, he said, Chris

975
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Speaker 11: Christie said that he had been Biden's had been sleeping

976
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Speaker 11: with a teacher for years, referring.

977
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Speaker 1: To doctor Jill Biden tea union point exactly.

978
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Speaker 11: It was super bad. And then Mike Pence is like,

979
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Speaker 11: kind of looking at the camera, He's like, well, I've

980
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Speaker 11: been sleeping with a teacher for thirty eight years.

981
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Speaker 3: There was a buzz and everyone was like, is that

982
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Speaker 3: real to actually just happen? Both of you off for

983
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Speaker 3: five all the policemen, what do we call it? Let's

984
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Speaker 3: move on to let's move on?

985
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Speaker 1: Okay, So, as we know, we had Trump in another

986
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Speaker 1: location at this non union plant with people who some

987
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Speaker 1: of them may be workers or a bunch of people

988
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Speaker 1: who were interviewed who said, you know, I'm not union,

989
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Speaker 1: I'm not an auto worker or whatever, and making some

990
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Speaker 1: very interesting comments about the ongoing United Autoworkers strike, basically

991
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Speaker 1: telling the workers that they don't understand what they're doing

992
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Speaker 1: and they're picking the wrong targets. Take a listen to

993
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Speaker 1: what he had to say.

994
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Speaker 9: In other words, your.

995
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Speaker 8: Current negotiations don't mean as much.

996
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Speaker 2: As you think.

997
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Speaker 16: I mean, I'll watch you out there with the pickets,

998
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Speaker 16: but I don't think you're picketting for the right thing.

999
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Speaker 16: But if they endorse me, your leadership, you can tell

1000
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Speaker 16: them I said it, although I have a feeling they

1001
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Speaker 16: may be watching tonight.

1002
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Speaker 1: Ryan, what'd you make at this moment?

1003
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Speaker 15: And he goes on and on and on and on about,

1004
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 15: of course he does, about how the UAW leadership'll endorse him,

1005
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 15: and if you does, the auto industry is just going

1006
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 15: to explode, and if he doesn't, then it's all going

1007
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 15: to be get driven into evs and they'll all be

1008
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Speaker 15: out of work. I think he doesn't understand. I get it,

1009
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Speaker 15: he's talking to the whole country. Yeah, but if he

1010
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Speaker 15: was actually serious about talking to the auto workers, he

1011
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Speaker 15: could have addressed the actual concerns that the auto workers

1012
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Speaker 15: are having, which and they're saying, what we're striking over

1013
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Speaker 15: is we want protections for the future EV jobs. I

1014
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Speaker 15: think a lot of autoworkers and a lot of people

1015
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Speaker 15: around the country know that, yes, there are incentives in

1016
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Speaker 15: federal law put in by the IRA to move people,

1017
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Speaker 15: you know, to move the industry quicker away from the

1018
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Speaker 15: internal combustion engine. But I don't think anybody thinks that

1019
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 15: absent that that fifty years from now, it's going to

1020
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Speaker 15: be just a thriving industry, like you're just kind of

1021
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Speaker 15: shouting into avoid at that point, I think everybody knows like.

1022
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Speaker 14: This is over, Like we're moving toward electric vehicles. So

1023
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 14: the question is how do we transition?

1024
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 3: So I think the answer to that is correct.

1025
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Speaker 2: I don't know if it will be one hundred percent,

1026
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Speaker 2: and we've talked a lot about on the show, but

1027
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Speaker 2: I'm curious, actually, this is tactical point I've been trying

1028
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Speaker 2: to save and I want to get your guys take,

1029
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Speaker 2: and I'll include mine as well. UAW president Sean Faine

1030
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Speaker 2: was asked whether he was going to meet with Trump,

1031
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Speaker 2: and here's what he had to say. Quote, I see

1032
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Speaker 2: no point in meeting with him because I don't think

1033
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Speaker 2: the man has any bit of care about a workers

1034
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Speaker 2: stand for, what the working class stands for, and he

1035
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Speaker 2: serves the billionaire class. So I am curious if you

1036
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Speaker 2: guys think it was tactically it's a good move. We

1037
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Speaker 2: don't know what percentage the UAW of workers exactly voted

1038
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Speaker 2: for Trump. I would venture to guess what thirty forty

1039
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Speaker 2: percent something like that. Forty probably is too generous, so

1040
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Speaker 2: it's somewhere probably hired Okay, so it might be hired

1041
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 2: is a tacticle move. Then to outright is a good move.

1042
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Speaker 2: To outright like trash a candidate who maybe at least

1043
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 2: a decent portion of your membership is going to vote

1044
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Speaker 2: for or did vote for in the past. I'm not

1045
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Speaker 2: saying he may not be substantively correct, but is explicitly

1046
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 2: aligning yourself with the Democratic Party the correct thing to

1047
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Speaker 2: do when you're going to embrace Biden and then explicitly

1048
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Speaker 2: move Trump aside, which it only gives him even more

1049
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Speaker 2: of an incentive to union leadership.

1050
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Speaker 3: I'm curious what you guys said.

1051
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I think it forgets the fact that

1052
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Speaker 1: they pointedly did not endorse Biden when a lot of

1053
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Speaker 1: the other unions. So he's been very critical of Joe Biden.

1054
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Speaker 1: But you know, I don't think we give these workers

1055
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Speaker 1: enough credit for understanding the lay of the land. Auto

1056
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 1: working manufacturing jobs went down under Trump. He made a

1057
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Speaker 1: lot of promises to these I mean went to Lordstown

1058
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Speaker 1: and went to all of these different you know, places

1059
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Speaker 1: that have historic union auto plants and told them, don't

1060
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Speaker 1: sell your homes. The jobs are coming back. And it

1061
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Speaker 1: did not happen. Now, I think that that is a

1062
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Speaker 1: big part of the reason why he won Michigan in

1063
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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen and lost Michigan in twenty twenty. And also

1064
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Speaker 1: we don't talk enough about the fact that actually Joe

1065
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Speaker 1: Biden doubled the margin that Hillary Clinton still won union

1066
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Speaker 1: workers Joe Biden doubled that margin in twenty twenty. And

1067
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Speaker 1: I think it's exactly because more than anyone, they're tuned

1068
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Speaker 1: into the distance between the rhetoric and the reality. And listen,

1069
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Speaker 1: I'm you know, I think there was a lot of

1070
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Speaker 1: bait and switch going on with Trump and the way

1071
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Speaker 1: this event was portrayed what actually was which in reality

1072
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Speaker 1: it was an anti union event and invited there were yes,

1073
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Speaker 1: so he was he was invited by management to this

1074
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Speaker 1: non union shop. You know, there were and some of

1075
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Speaker 1: the people who help organize the event, we know, we're

1076
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Speaker 1: affiliated with the National Right to Work movement, which is

1077
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Speaker 1: like the union busting movement. Some of the workers that

1078
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Speaker 1: were interviewing the crowd, that were even holding up the

1079
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Speaker 1: like union workers for Trump signs were not union. So,

1080
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Speaker 1: I mean, it was just obviously very different than what

1081
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Speaker 1: was portrayed. And Ryan you pointed out most of it

1082
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Speaker 1: was just like a normal campaign speed basically. Yeah. So

1083
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Speaker 1: you know, many of these details may not seep through

1084
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Speaker 1: to the national public, but I can tell you this

1085
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,760
Speaker 1: was huge news in Michigan. The local papers were covering

1086
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Speaker 1: it extensively. The local papers were covering extensively the comments

1087
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Speaker 1: from Sean Fain and also from other UAW leadership about

1088
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Speaker 1: the distance between Trump's rhetoric and what he actually does.

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Speaker 1: And like I said, I think more than anybody they

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Speaker 1: have seen the broken promises from him when it comes

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Speaker 1: to labor. So do I think it's a mistake for

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Speaker 1: Sean Fain to invite the presidence of picket line. You

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Speaker 1: also have to think these workers are risking a lot

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Speaker 1: to go out on strike and try to achieve better wages,

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Speaker 1: better working conditions, etc. You think they're going to turn

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Speaker 1: down either a Republican or do the President of the

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Speaker 1: United States coming to stand with you, even if he's

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Speaker 1: not your guy, even if you didn't vote for him,

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Speaker 1: even if you're not going to vote for him, That

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Speaker 1: is powerful leverage on your side. So no, I think

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Speaker 1: I actually really appreciate the clarity of his language and

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Speaker 1: the way that he's approached this, and the fact that

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Speaker 1: he has been critical of Biden where they've fallen short

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Speaker 1: as well.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't say it was a mistake to invite Biden.

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Speaker 2: Of course, you take it what you can get. I honestly, though,

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Speaker 2: I think what Sean Fain may not understand though, is

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Speaker 2: that he's actually making it easier for MAGA to code

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Speaker 2: anti union in my opinion, because what it would mean

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Speaker 2: and there are so look, I'm not gonna say Trump

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Speaker 2: or many of the people work for him are pro union.

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Speaker 2: But we were just talking about this earlier block, Emily,

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Speaker 2: you and I were reviewing that polling from American companies

1114
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Speaker 2: forty percent of GOP voters support union, So I mean

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Speaker 2: it's you know, it's not all of them, but it's some.

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Speaker 2: And if for the unit of quote unquote union boss

1117
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Speaker 2: is explicitly gonna come out and trash Trump to a

1118
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Speaker 2: lot of people, because it's effectively a cult of personality party,

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Speaker 2: they're gonna be like, Okay, we'll screw this guy, and

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Speaker 2: then by extension, like possibly screw a union. I thought

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Speaker 2: it was a mistake because I think it tactically makes

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Speaker 2: it more difficult for a senator like Josh Holly just

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Speaker 2: went to the picket line or other senators who I

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Speaker 2: know are considering visiting the picket line. They will make

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Speaker 2: them appear almost as if they are like crossing into

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Speaker 2: democratic territory. And again I don't agree with that. I

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Speaker 2: don't think that's the right thing. But I thought that

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Speaker 2: his statement explicitly coming out trash Trump like that, I

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Speaker 2: thought it was a tactical mistake. If he wants to

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Speaker 2: achieve any sort of by partinership. If he doesn't, that's fine.

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Speaker 2: I mean, maybe he thinks is the lost cost. It

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Speaker 2: probably is, But I'm saying, like, if you want to

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Speaker 2: even attempt to get it, it makes it more difficult.

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Speaker 2: In my opinion, I'm curious, think, of course we need to.

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Speaker 3: Get a response.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, you know, I was thinking actually back to tea

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Speaker 11: party times, and I'm thinking, you know, if someone had

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Speaker 11: done what Donald Trump did last night, which was again

1139
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 11: like rhetoric versus results totally different, there's a gap there

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Speaker 11: that I think, again, you could have actually had the

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Speaker 11: Republican debate focus on that. In fact, and the Michigan

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Speaker 11: question is huge. I think that's such a smart point.

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Speaker 11: He though, has identified the single biggest wedge between workers

1144
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Speaker 11: and union support, which is the union leaders and UAW

1145
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 11: is particularly vulnerable to that, not because of Sean Faine,

1146
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Speaker 11: but because the people who came before have.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: Absolutely, and if in the Tea Party years you had

1149
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 11: somebody doing what was what Donald Trump did last night,

1150
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 11: which was this really like just he made this crystal

1151
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 11: clear wedge driving trying to drive between the workers and

1152
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,399
Speaker 11: the leadership, which is just tactically smart. I'm not talking

1153
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,919
Speaker 11: about it substantively, but tactically that is the only shot

1154
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 11: Republicans have at like really, if they're not going to

1155
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 11: go full pro union, that's the only way that they

1156
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 11: can possibly start to appeal to some of these workers.

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Speaker 11: He did it it very boldly, and that was like

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00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 11: Republicans have never been able to do that, They've never

1159
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 11: even thought to do that. At the same time, I

1160
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 11: do think it's very very true that Trump is the

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Speaker 11: rhetoric versus results in places like Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin are

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Speaker 11: going to be a real problem for him because people

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Speaker 11: think of like union membership in Michigan it's probably like

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Speaker 11: one in every five household something that you guys might.

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Speaker 3: It's like sixty six thousand, that's a really big deal.

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Speaker 11: It might not sound like it but it's a really

1167
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 11: big deal because there's a ripple effect into families and

1168
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 11: there's a ripple effect into communities, and so actually this

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00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 11: is huge news. And Sean Fain coming out and just

1170
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Speaker 11: going hardcore against Trump. On the one hand, it does

1171
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Speaker 11: make it easier for Trump. On the other hand, it

1172
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Speaker 11: makes it harder for Trump. It's just like two, there's

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Speaker 11: two sides to it.

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Speaker 3: I think I could see it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Ryan, I wonder if you have thoughts on

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Speaker 1: Biden ran his first actually ran it during the debate,

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Speaker 1: direct ad against Trump, and it was about unions and wages.

1178
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Speaker 1: And when I see that, I'm like, oh my god,

1179
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 1: Democrats maybe finally figured out how to run against this guy.

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Speaker 1: And I to me, the rhetoric from Sean Faine is

1181
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Speaker 1: also very effective because it's like this guy is the problem.

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00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: He's the billionaire class. The first time that Democrats tried

1183
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 1: to run against Trump in twenty sixteen, it was like,

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00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: he's not a real billionaire. We have the real billionaires

1185
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Speaker 1: on our side.

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00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 3: He's actually not a bad thing, right.

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Speaker 1: And so now when I saw that ad, that was like,

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Speaker 1: no that you know, the I think it was like

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump talks and Joe Biden delivers actually thought it

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Speaker 1: was effective, and I thought it could potentially land in

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Speaker 1: states like Michigan, Wisconsin where they know very viscerally like

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Speaker 1: those plants and those jobs that were supposed to be

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Speaker 1: here under Trump. Guess what they did not come back

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00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 1: and Trump lost again.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 15: And what I think it shows is that if Democrats

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Speaker 15: actually do something, even the minimal amount for workers, then

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Speaker 15: it really puts Republicans on the spot, like it puts

1200
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Speaker 15: Trump on the spot when Trump is running against Hillary Clinton,

1201
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Speaker 15: that he can just say I'm for workers.

1202
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 14: She's terrible, and the workers are like, yeah.

1203
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Speaker 15: She probably would have let the Detroit go bankrupt, like

1204
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 15: the reason Obama wins Michigan in twenty twelve because they

1205
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 15: saved Detroit. Nobody believed that Hillary would have done the

1206
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Speaker 15: same thing. So Trump then can get away with just

1207
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 15: like some like surface level pro worker stuff. Once you've

1208
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 15: got Biden actually doing things like going to a picket line,

1209
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:23,320
Speaker 15: then you actually have to peel back what Trump is

1210
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 15: saying a little bit. It's like, Okay, Sean Fain says,

1211
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 15: they want a forty percent raise, and they want like

1212
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 15: all of these ev plants to be unionized, and they

1213
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 15: want access to these plants. What's Trump saying. Trump is

1214
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 15: saying you're picketing the wrong place. You should endorse me

1215
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 15: me me, me, me me, And all of a sudden

1216
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 15: that starts to fall apart. You're like, Okay, he says

1217
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 15: he's for the workers, but he's not. Is he for

1218
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 15: our forty percent rais he didn't say he was. Is

1219
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 15: he for us being able to unionize ev plants? Or

1220
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 15: does he just not want EV plants to exist?

1221
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:55,879
Speaker 3: I think yeah, yeah.

1222
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Speaker 15: And then so then the workers are like, okay, well,

1223
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Speaker 15: once you are on board with our agenda, then you

1224
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Speaker 15: come to the picket line in march with us. If

1225
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 15: you're not on board with our agenda, we're going to

1226
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Speaker 15: march with the guy who is okay.

1227
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Speaker 11: And to Crystal's point, I think that's the big thing,

1228
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 11: Like Republicans still are not willing to go full like, yes,

1229
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Speaker 11: unionize the ev plants, and so Trump knows his only

1230
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:17,399
Speaker 11: his best option is to say no ev plants, because

1231
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Speaker 11: if you're not willing to take that step, that's the

1232
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Speaker 11: only way that you can go.

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Speaker 3: I think you guys are right.

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Speaker 2: At the same time, he did he didn't just regale

1235
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 2: the audience around Eve's. He also, Ryan, you pulled this

1236
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 2: for us to give people. He basically just turned it

1237
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 2: into a rally and gave some some of his more

1238
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:31,959
Speaker 2: classic riffs.

1239
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:33,280
Speaker 3: That's one of his Ryan's favorite.

1240
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Speaker 16: You signed this first day I was in office.

1241
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:37,320
Speaker 6: I said, what is it.

1242
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Speaker 16: It's a new Air Force one. It's five point seven billion.

1243
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 16: I said, that sounds like a lot of money for

1244
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 16: a plane. It's actually two planes, by the way, but

1245
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Speaker 16: they go over at air Force one.

1246
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 9: They're identical. I mean, even the wood grin.

1247
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Speaker 16: You can't tell the difference.

1248
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 8: I could tell because it was a little nick in

1249
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,399
Speaker 8: one desk that wasn't on the other, so I could

1250
00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 8: say that's one on the other ones too. So the

1251
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 8: head of Bow came in and he said, sir, we

1252
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:02,879
Speaker 8: have to get five point seven.

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Speaker 16: I said, nope, I'm not doing it. I was supposed

1254
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 16: to sign it. I said, I'm not doing it. Not

1255
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:08,359
Speaker 16: for five point seven.

1256
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:09,360
Speaker 11: It has to have a three on it.

1257
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Speaker 16: I didn't know what that meant, except I knew where

1258
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 16: it was a hell of.

1259
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Speaker 8: A cut, right right right, Al sir, We'll do it

1260
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 8: for three billion, nine hundred and ninety nine million, nine

1261
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:27,360
Speaker 8: hundred nine nine nine nine nine.

1262
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 16: And ninety nine cents, right, And I said, you have

1263
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 16: yourself a deal. So I saved one point seven billion

1264
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 16: dollars on that plane.

1265
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Speaker 3: I was very careful.

1266
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 9: Does anybody give me credit for that?

1267
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 3: No, I losing it.

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00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 1: If you're a Republican, how are you going to compete

1269
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 1: with that?

1270
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:46,839
Speaker 9: Right?

1271
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:48,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't compete with that.

1272
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 11: You're good.

1273
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 3: I do agree that Air Force one is too expensive.

1274
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 3: I will ridiculously that's Lucris air Force one. He also

1275
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 3: is a common misconception.

1276
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 2: Air Force one is only the plane in which the

1277
00:56:58,080 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 2: president is on, of which we all know from the

1278
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 2: movie Air Force One.

1279
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:01,959
Speaker 3: What else?

1280
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Speaker 2: Actually, my last take on this aesthetics of which we

1281
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 2: will get into a little bit, is I did think

1282
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 2: his new color scheme was better the red, white, and

1283
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 2: blue as opposed to the JFK blue, and.

1284
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 14: Should have gone into that to make us want to

1285
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:15,439
Speaker 14: be extended riff.

1286
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 1: A substantive point about that, not that all of your

1287
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 1: highly substance about the color scheme. Humor is such a weapon.

1288
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 1: Humor is such a weapon. And that's one of the

1289
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 1: things that every one of those like dreadful people on

1290
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 1: stage last night are completely lid.

1291
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Speaker 11: There was not I can't think of Donald Duck.

1292
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 1: I'm cad thinking of a single moment of levity, Like

1293
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 1: it was all just like pain and right exactly. There

1294
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 1: may have been some unintentional humor all of a sudden,

1295
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 1: like when ron to Santa said he visited Ronald Reagan's gravesite, like,

1296
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Speaker 1: you know, just trying to play into this as much

1297
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Speaker 1: as possible. Anyway, no humor whatsoever. It was another I

1298
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 1: mean Obama was also funny. He had comedic timing and

1299
00:57:57,760 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: land a joke George W.

1300
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Speaker 4: Bush.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it really maybe it shouldn't be this way,

1302
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 1: it should be about the substance or whatever, but it

1303
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 1: really is so powerful and so difficult to overcome when

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Speaker 1: you're up against someone who is actually just genuinely funny.

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Speaker 1: Whether you like him or hate him or anything, I

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Speaker 1: totally agree.

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Speaker 2: I also think Obama was unfairly slandered for your likable

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Speaker 2: enough Hillary.

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Speaker 3: I thought it was a great lie. I don't think

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Speaker 3: he took way too.

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Speaker 11: Much for it. There was a moment where the moderators

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Speaker 11: last night asked them if they could be the next

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Speaker 11: Ronald Reagan, essentially meaning that they could have like a

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Speaker 11: generational pull, like could you have a legacy like Ronald

1315
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Speaker 11: Reagan's was essentially the question. And it's a perfect question

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00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 11: when all of them are down by what forty points

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Speaker 11: and the leader's not on stage, because you look at

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00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 11: it and you say, absolutely not, and partially for that.

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Speaker 11: First of all, Reagan was very charismatic, was hilarious, and

1320
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Speaker 11: they none of nobody on that stage has that. And

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00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 11: Donald Trump is out you up in Detroit riffing. It's

1322
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 11: such a clear contrast. There's not one person who stands

1323
00:58:58,080 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 11: out like that. And I think some of them are

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Speaker 11: talented politicians. I think Tim Scott's a talented politician. I

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Speaker 11: think Rond DeSantis when he was in his moment twenty twenty,

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Speaker 11: twenty twenty one, was a talented politician on the state level.

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Speaker 11: He hasn't been able to translate it nationally, and that

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Speaker 11: contrast is glaring.

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Speaker 1: I am I am fascinated by how Ronda Santa struggles

1330
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Speaker 1: with his face.

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Speaker 11: Oh my god, I.

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Speaker 1: Really, I mean, I'm just like you.

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Speaker 9: You don't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is, and I think that's exacerbating it the

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Speaker 1: whole time, and like you don't know how to just

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00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 1: like exist without doing something like moving around anyway.

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Speaker 11: I actually do too.

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Speaker 1: At this point, you know, it's like, now that he's

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Speaker 1: no longer a threat to anyone or anything, I just

1340
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 1: feel uncomfortable looking at these weird faces that you can't

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Speaker 1: help himselfver make it.

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Speaker 11: It's the smile. It's when he tries to laugh yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, or when he thinks he lands a point,

1344
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 1: and then there's this like, oh, stop, stop, Let's move

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Speaker 1: on to another big story outside of the debate that

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Speaker 1: has been ongoing here in DC, which I'm actually there's

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Speaker 1: a couple elements of this that have become very interesting.

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Speaker 1: You guys over the Intercept have done some great reporting

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Speaker 1: about some of the subtexts of this indictment. Put us

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Speaker 1: up on the screen, which is really fascinating, So Ken

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Speaker 1: tweet it out here. Egyptian intelligence may have been trying

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Speaker 1: to recruit Senator Bob Menendez as a spy, according to

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Speaker 1: four former CIA officers. Let me go ahead and read

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Speaker 1: you a little bit of this report, they said. National

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Speaker 1: security experts say the indictment's reference to Egyptian intelligence officials

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Speaker 1: and Menendez, this disclosure of highly sensitive and non public

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01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 1: info to Egyptian officials suggest that more than a garden

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Speaker 1: variety corruption scheme there may be an intelligence element to

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Speaker 1: the charges. Egypt's elicitation of information resembles a textbook recruitment pass,

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Speaker 1: an intelligence operation intended to recruit an asset for former

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01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 1: CIA officers told the Intercept, what more can you tell

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Speaker 1: us about this ran?

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Speaker 15: It goes back to the question of whether or not

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Speaker 15: an asset is recruitable. You have to as an intelligence agency,

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Speaker 15: you have to try to figure out whether or not

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Speaker 15: this person is someone you can get. Actually, and back

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Speaker 15: in twenty fifteen twenty sixteen, when people were accusing Trump

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Speaker 15: of being a Russian asset, I asked.

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Speaker 14: Some CIA folks.

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Speaker 15: They're like, he's what we would call an unrecruitable asset. Yes,

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Speaker 15: it's like because you can't trust him with any information.

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Speaker 9: I don't know.

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Speaker 15: You might be able to manipulate him for your own advantage,

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Speaker 15: but you absolutely he cannot be.

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Speaker 14: A recruited asset.

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Speaker 15: And so the way that you start with some of

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Speaker 15: these assets is you ask for small things that aren't

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Speaker 15: necessarily damaging, but that they know.

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Speaker 14: They're not supposed to give you.

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Speaker 15: And the key one here that they asked was the

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Speaker 15: size and details about the Egyptian the US embassy in Cairo,

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Speaker 15: because that is known to be a center of kind

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Speaker 15: of intelligence activity. Most all embassies are at some level,

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Speaker 15: but certainly the one in Cairo is. And so for

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Speaker 15: Menendez to give non public information about that is a

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Speaker 15: useful to the intelligence operations of not just the Egyptians,

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Speaker 15: but the Emiraldis who basically run the Egyptians to see operation.

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Speaker 15: But it's a sign that Okay, he's willing to cross lines.

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Speaker 3: Which is what he did.

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Speaker 2: I mean, what is it He got the nonpublic information

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Speaker 2: as the Senate Foreign Relations chairman, he checked what he

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Speaker 2: texted it to his wife.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then his wife related to the man who.

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Speaker 2: Bought her a very nice Mercedes who she then thanked

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Speaker 2: by a text mess allegedly all this, it's all a

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Speaker 2: little bit stunting. Christly, you flagged this. Let's go ahead,

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Speaker 2: put this up there on the screen. Currently, there are

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Speaker 2: what is it twenty eight senators Democratic senator that have

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Speaker 2: come out, so more than half the caucus actually, who

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Speaker 2: have called for Senator Menendez to resign. However, not one

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01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:44,919
Speaker 2: Republican has come out to say that Menandez should resign.

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Speaker 2: The only one I saw was John Cornyn who said, quote,

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Speaker 2: I think all my democratic colleagues should resign.

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Speaker 1: A good line.

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Speaker 3: Let's give it to him. It is a good line.

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Speaker 3: And I was curious Emily for your take as to why.

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Speaker 2: I think it's because if you say that and they

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Speaker 2: should resign, it then impunes Trump because it would imply

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Speaker 2: that indictment is, you know, in any way like some

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Speaker 2: sort of fact pattern that correlates to guilt, and that

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Speaker 2: they don't want to box himself into a corner and

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Speaker 2: they would rather just let the Dems like play into

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Speaker 2: it on their own.

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Speaker 9: What do you think?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I think, first of all, that's right. But second

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Speaker 11: of all, it's a wonderful political tool to have the

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Speaker 11: Senate foreign relationship, and I know he stepped down from that,

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01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 11: but to have him still sitting as a member of

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Speaker 11: the Senate is a wonderful political tool. So why call

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Speaker 11: for him to resign? That's when you can continue to

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Speaker 11: say Democrats have a likely Egyptian asset someone as corrupt

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Speaker 11: as Menendez in the Senate. But the other problem with that, though,

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Speaker 11: is all the Democratic senators have essentially neutralized that line

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Speaker 11: of attack by calling for him to resign. Yeah, has

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Speaker 11: Biden called on him?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 5: No, not.

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Speaker 11: That's a big problem for the Democrats.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Schumer has it either. I mean, it's wild.

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Speaker 1: So I've got Tom Cotton and Mark Rubio. But Tom

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Speaker 1: Cotton went into detail. Actually it sort of like overtly

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Speaker 1: came out to defend Menandez, and I think his reasoning

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Speaker 1: is illustrated. He says, the charges against the er Menendez

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Speaker 1: are serious and troubling. At the same time, the Department

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Speaker 1: of Justice has a troubling record of failure in corruption

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Speaker 1: in cases against public figures, from Ted Stevens to Bob

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Speaker 1: McDonald to Donald Trump to Bob Menendez the last time around.

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Speaker 1: Sarah Menndez has a right to test the government's evidence

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Speaker 1: in court just like any other citizen. He should be

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Speaker 1: judged by jurors and New Jersey's voters, not by Democratic

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Speaker 1: politicians who now view him as inconvenient to their hold

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Speaker 1: on power. Which is like that part is kind of ridiculous,

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01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 1: given the fact that they intentionally made him chair of

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Speaker 1: this very powerful committee. But Ryan, what is going on

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01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 1: here with because I didn't actually see this coming, I thought,

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01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:37,120
Speaker 1: because you know, Republicans, Yeah, I get they look like

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01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:39,360
Speaker 1: hypocrites if they call him out, but not Trump or whatever.

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01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:41,440
Speaker 1: But they're willing to be hypocrites in any manner of

1449
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 1: other ways. So why was this the bridge too far

1450
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 1: where they felt the need to back up this man

1451
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 1: who was charged with the most cartoonish levels of government

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01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:51,840
Speaker 1: corruption that you can possibly imagine.

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Speaker 15: I think it goes partly back to what Emily is saying.

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Speaker 15: There's that famous Napoleon line where he says, you know,

1455
01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 15: never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake.

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Speaker 14: So just let me let Democrats keep foundering on this.

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Speaker 15: But also I think they want to break all the

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Speaker 15: norms around this stuff, and this helps break the norm

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01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 15: because the norm would be that if a president is

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Speaker 15: convicted or even indicted under these types of circumstances, that

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01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 15: he would you go away out of public life, like

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01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 15: that's the old norm. That obviously Trump is not doing that,

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01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:22,479
Speaker 15: and so to make it seem a little bit normal

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01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 15: for him not to do that, you have to smash

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01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:26,240
Speaker 15: all these other ones. And so if you just kind

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Speaker 15: of push push through this and you have it corruption everywhere,

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01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:32,360
Speaker 15: then it's like, well everybody's corrupt, so who cares?

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01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:32,560
Speaker 5: Well?

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Speaker 11: I was just going to quick add there's this sort

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Speaker 11: of bubbling idea on the writer theory on the right

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Speaker 11: that and I think it's echoed in Tom Cotton's statement, Yeah,

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Speaker 11: menandaz became inconvenient because of his positions on Iran and

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01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 11: Cuba based on what the Biden administration wants to do

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01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 11: or people in the Biden administration want to do. I

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01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 11: know it sounds, but that is the deep state. Basically

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01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 11: it came out to something.

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Speaker 2: Right, if the deep state is going on, is that

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01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:00,520
Speaker 2: that wouldn't hold water because they wouldn't gotten rid of

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Speaker 2: him way before that and they wouldn't have.

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Speaker 3: Him committee Like, it doesn't make any sense. I mean,

1481
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:07,919
Speaker 3: I think it's just Trump.

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01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 2: I honestly think Trump is the I think in five

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01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:12,480
Speaker 2: ten years ago they would have called him to resigned.

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01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:14,640
Speaker 2: I think now with Trump on her indictment, any just

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01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:17,560
Speaker 2: saying that an elected official should resign because of said indictment,

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01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 2: They're like, well, why would we then have to go

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01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 2: walk down the hallway and be like why should Senate

1488
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:23,840
Speaker 2: Ninnas design if Donald Trump shouldn't run a president?

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Speaker 3: And they would rather not get into it.

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01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:27,760
Speaker 2: And so the two who are willing to come out

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01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:29,720
Speaker 2: and speak for Tom Cotton, Mark or Rubio, those are

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01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:31,920
Speaker 2: more ambitious politicians. They probably want to get on Trump's

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01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:33,960
Speaker 2: good side. Whenever they say something like that. The rest

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01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 2: of them they're just happy to stay.

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01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:37,680
Speaker 11: Quiet or they want Menanda's there because of his position.

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Speaker 3: God, not a good point, but also the good point.

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Speaker 15: Do these guys not have signal and disappearing messages? The

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Speaker 15: Senate Foreign Relationship?

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Speaker 14: They have not cracked sigma yet signals secure?

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Speaker 3: Well, we don't know, I don't know if that don't people.

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01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:54,240
Speaker 11: Yeah, no, it didn't work for the DC government.

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Speaker 3: I think they did crack. I thought. I think they

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01:06:57,320 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 3: got it back.

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01:06:57,760 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 15: They can crack it if Pegasust gets onto your face.

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01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 15: But as long as you're not on the phone. Everybody's

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Speaker 15: probably on his phone.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I do find it really disturbing, even

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01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:12,640
Speaker 1: him Cotton like overtly backing up the Supreme Courts. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court has basically made it so that corruption

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Speaker 1: the definition of corruption is literally like getting a stack

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Speaker 1: of cash and saying on camera like I am taking

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01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:24,919
Speaker 1: this cash to do your bidding in this specific way.

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Speaker 1: And this does go back to the Bob McDonald case

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Speaker 1: in particular. And so you know, the Republican Party at

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Speaker 1: times has talked a big game about corruption very recently,

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01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 1: and so for them now to totally back away from

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Speaker 1: that and just completely get on the side of like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: what even is corruption and who really cares?

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Speaker 11: And of course the bump.

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01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:46,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I just I do find it like

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01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 1: it sucks. It just sucks that they would take this

1522
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:53,040
Speaker 1: position basically in favor of government corruption and jank you

1523
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:55,280
Speaker 1: or who we're having on the show today in person,

1524
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:58,160
Speaker 1: which we're excited about. He actually made a really clever point,

1525
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:00,160
Speaker 1: which is like, you know what Menanda should do. He

1526
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:04,040
Speaker 1: should flip parties, make the deep state point, and he'll

1527
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:07,000
Speaker 1: be good to go because no evidence those a golden

1528
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:09,280
Speaker 1: bars and closet whatever. No, it's the deep state there

1529
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:11,760
Speaker 1: want to get you because of your sanctions on Cuba

1530
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:14,000
Speaker 1: or whatever. That would work for really, it was.

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01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:15,000
Speaker 14: A perfect text message.

1532
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, perfect, exactly exactly just Cuban you know.

1533
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:21,880
Speaker 11: Oh, and he's already been trying that. He's already been trying.

1534
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:24,639
Speaker 11: Its the Republicans now, so you can get better.

1535
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:25,800
Speaker 3: So it all works for.

1536
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:28,719
Speaker 2: Him, Okay, free advicement and does to the last block,

1537
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:31,800
Speaker 2: the most important block to me personally, it's not true.

1538
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:33,439
Speaker 3: Okay, it's a joke. Let's go and put this up

1539
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:34,000
Speaker 3: not in dro.

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01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:41,479
Speaker 2: The Senate has adopted by unans Senate Resolution three seventy six,

1541
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:45,360
Speaker 2: the Shorts Act, which stands for Show our Respect to

1542
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 2: the Senate, introduced by Senator Joe Manchin. We now officially

1543
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 2: have a dress code in place on the Senate floor.

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01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 2: It will require a coat, a tie, long pants of

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01:08:57,479 --> 01:09:00,240
Speaker 2: some sort of slack of which now personally even think

1546
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:02,240
Speaker 2: he should weark he's on the Senate floor. But you know,

1547
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:04,800
Speaker 2: I guess this is willing to It's got a compromise,

1548
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:08,240
Speaker 2: a little failure, willing to have a conference here. This

1549
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:13,160
Speaker 2: comes after Senator John Fetterman and Senator Cinema frequently violated

1550
01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:14,000
Speaker 2: said dress code.

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01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 3: There was never actually an official dress code that was

1552
01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:17,320
Speaker 3: on the floor.

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01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 2: For those who were wondering, the way that this all

1554
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:22,559
Speaker 2: happened is that Senator Schumer instructed the Sergeant of Arms

1555
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:26,200
Speaker 2: not to enforce the unformal dress code, which was kind

1556
01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:29,679
Speaker 2: of written in the rules previously allowing Fetterman to preside

1557
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:33,200
Speaker 2: and be on the Senate floor in his signature shirt slash,

1558
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:38,080
Speaker 2: hoodies and shorts and sneakers, and his colleagues rebelled. Now

1559
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:41,680
Speaker 2: Fetterman himself has back down completely after talking a lot

1560
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 2: of big game. I would just say on Twitter along

1561
01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:46,320
Speaker 2: with the staffs put this up there on the scene.

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01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:48,519
Speaker 1: He's got a strong social media I can't. You cannot

1563
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:48,920
Speaker 1: deny that.

1564
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 3: I will deny because.

1565
01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:54,479
Speaker 2: Because they talked a massive game, and then he doesn't

1566
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 2: even object to the resolution where all of his colleagues

1567
01:09:56,920 --> 01:09:58,920
Speaker 2: are like, no, you look like a disgusting ogre.

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01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:01,200
Speaker 1: No, because he he actually has his eyes on the

1569
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 1: prize of things that are matter, unlike this stupid story.

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01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:08,439
Speaker 2: To this, Fedator Fetterman has said during democratic lunch he

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01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:10,960
Speaker 2: will wear a suit now when speaking or presiding over

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01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:12,800
Speaker 2: the chamber, and if not in the suit, he will

1573
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:15,400
Speaker 2: vote from the cloak room. So he is completely caved

1574
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:17,680
Speaker 2: after talking such a big game about how oh he

1575
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:19,400
Speaker 2: was standing up and all of this.

1576
01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:21,559
Speaker 3: I you know what I think, Okay, go ahead.

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01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:23,640
Speaker 1: I think that this is a war on men.

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01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:25,840
Speaker 3: Oh, because why is it we should have been.

1579
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 1: That Senator Fetterman is getting so much scrutiny when Kirsen

1580
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:32,200
Speaker 1: Cinema is a serial violator. Why don't people say anything? Absolutely,

1581
01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:34,080
Speaker 1: I think this is a war on men, and I

1582
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:35,600
Speaker 1: will not stand for I agree with you.

1583
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:37,280
Speaker 2: And that's the point that I made in my monologue,

1584
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 2: because it's actually a by it's a by gender. I

1585
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:42,040
Speaker 2: guess if you could say a problem that we've had

1586
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:44,280
Speaker 2: in the Senate, I do think and.

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01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:44,760
Speaker 9: I wanted to.

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01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 3: Of course, everybody knows what I think about this, and

1589
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:47,360
Speaker 3: I thought it was funny.

1590
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:51,960
Speaker 2: I however in terms of the biggest sticking point that

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01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:53,599
Speaker 2: I had, And I'm sure and Christal you already agree

1592
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:55,200
Speaker 2: with me this, so Ryan, I'm sure you as well,

1593
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:57,599
Speaker 2: especially because you've been a reporter on Capitol Hill. Don't

1594
01:10:57,640 --> 01:11:00,439
Speaker 2: you think it is complete bs that thet aff and

1595
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:03,200
Speaker 2: the pages still had to wear coat and ties, but

1596
01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:06,600
Speaker 2: it only applied for Fetterman and for Cinema. Basically, the

1597
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 2: help still had to dress up. You've had to wear

1598
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:10,200
Speaker 2: a coat and tie on the end. I've had to

1599
01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:12,320
Speaker 2: do it too, whenever we go into those you know,

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Speaker 2: the chamber or whatever, or in some of those places

1601
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:17,920
Speaker 2: where it's only press and senators or congress people who

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01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 2: are allowed. It's like we all had to abide by

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01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:21,680
Speaker 2: the dress code, but they set the rules so that

1604
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:24,920
Speaker 2: only he and Cinema didn't have to abide it.

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01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 3: You have to at least admit that was it.

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01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:28,479
Speaker 14: Would be pretty cool if pages and Turns were able

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01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:28,720
Speaker 14: to wear.

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01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:35,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I favor mister Populus didn't push for the pages

1609
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:37,599
Speaker 2: to be able to address badly only for himself.

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01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:39,639
Speaker 15: Let's see clear of us. That's a fair point, Okay.

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01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:43,000
Speaker 15: To me, anything that undermines respect for the Senate is

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01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:43,519
Speaker 15: a good thing.

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01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:44,200
Speaker 9: Okay.

1614
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:46,160
Speaker 3: So I've heard this take. I don't agree with it,

1615
01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:47,040
Speaker 3: but you can listen to this.

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01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:48,479
Speaker 11: It's a good take.

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01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:52,160
Speaker 1: I just agree to Look, I just think Fetterman when

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01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 1: he came out as the first Democratic senator to actually

1619
01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 1: call in Menendez to resign, and it has been very

1620
01:11:58,120 --> 01:12:00,360
Speaker 1: direct and forceable about it, and also his half we're

1621
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:02,920
Speaker 1: completely mocking him saying we're going to return his donation.

1622
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:04,080
Speaker 3: And like cash stuff.

1623
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:04,639
Speaker 1: End one.

1624
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:06,160
Speaker 3: I like to take one's the week.

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01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:07,920
Speaker 1: I don't care what happened with the I've never cared

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01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:09,599
Speaker 1: about what happens with the dress code. I still don't

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01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:11,360
Speaker 1: care what happened with the dress code. He was on

1628
01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:14,000
Speaker 1: the picket line. He was the first down to call

1629
01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:16,840
Speaker 1: for Menandez to resign, which has helped to open up

1630
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:19,320
Speaker 1: the floodgates of people actually saying the thing that is

1631
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:21,320
Speaker 1: like totally obvious that of course this man should not

1632
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:22,800
Speaker 1: be in a position of power. So I am one

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01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:25,599
Speaker 1: hundred percent team Fetterman on this week.

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01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:27,960
Speaker 3: In all respects. I think on policy it was a

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01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:29,519
Speaker 3: good week for him. I agree with you. I also

1636
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:30,519
Speaker 3: I'll even give him credit for this.

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01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:33,439
Speaker 2: He gave a fantastic speech at hearing about banning the

1638
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:35,680
Speaker 2: Chinese Gomberes party from being able to buy farmland in

1639
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:38,160
Speaker 2: the state of Pennsylvania. Yeah, it's a long standing problem

1640
01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:39,680
Speaker 2: that we've had, So I will also give him this.

1641
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:41,000
Speaker 2: I just think he should be wearing a suit when

1642
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:42,240
Speaker 2: he's on the second floor. I don't think it's a

1643
01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:47,680
Speaker 2: co you want take the w I'm here, this is

1644
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:48,480
Speaker 2: my super.

1645
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:51,680
Speaker 14: Bowl about what about this new zip puddies that like

1646
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:52,200
Speaker 14: people are.

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01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 11: I do think Soccer has his finger on the pulse

1648
01:12:57,120 --> 01:13:00,200
Speaker 11: of something, which is that this does It is I

1649
01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:03,160
Speaker 11: think very obviously a proxy for how people feel about

1650
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:05,720
Speaker 11: like the country right now and people's standards, and so

1651
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:07,800
Speaker 11: I don't think it's entirely unimportant. I think like the

1652
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:09,960
Speaker 11: public actually there's a segment of the public that's like,

1653
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:11,880
Speaker 11: you gotta be thing kidding me, Like my paycheck is

1654
01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:14,640
Speaker 11: going down, Like Bob, I agree with that but I

1655
01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:16,960
Speaker 11: also think some people are like, come on, like they

1656
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:18,760
Speaker 11: go to church and everybody's in genes and it does

1657
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:22,080
Speaker 11: honestly bother them, And so I don't think it's entirely

1658
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:23,840
Speaker 11: out of the realm of what matters.

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01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:27,480
Speaker 1: I think it's very I think it has really exposed

1660
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:32,360
Speaker 1: the priorities of media and the political class that have listened.

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01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:36,519
Speaker 1: We don't okay our show. Okay, fine, we talked about

1662
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:41,000
Speaker 1: Menandez and we're talking about the dress code ridiculous silliness

1663
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 1: that it deserves. Okay, but how much time is spent

1664
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:47,320
Speaker 1: on this whole dress code situation, especially over on Fox News.

1665
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:49,760
Speaker 1: That's just like, you know, the millions of kids that

1666
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:53,000
Speaker 1: fell into poverty, Bob Menendez being incredibly corrected, like a

1667
01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:55,880
Speaker 1: million issues that are going on that are actually substantive,

1668
01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:59,760
Speaker 1: and you got Joe Manchin, who I would take John

1669
01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:03,679
Speaker 1: in a song over no mansion in anything, every freaking

1670
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:05,720
Speaker 1: day of the week, and he is now like the

1671
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:08,720
Speaker 1: hero of this. It shows me that the screwed up

1672
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:11,360
Speaker 1: priorities in the Senate that they would spend so much

1673
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:13,519
Speaker 1: time talking about those, in debating those, etcetera. It shows

1674
01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:15,320
Speaker 1: me the screwed up priorities of the news media.

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01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:17,320
Speaker 3: And that's what I have to say about that Ryan

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01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:17,800
Speaker 3: last word.

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01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:20,960
Speaker 15: But I think tactically he looked more absurd than usual

1678
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:24,400
Speaker 15: where it was that unicolor like, yeah, I actually said that.

1679
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:26,639
Speaker 14: I used a mark wating, though.

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01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:29,360
Speaker 2: I used a Marxist term for you guys actually contract

1681
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:35,920
Speaker 2: the contraction. Think he dressed so repulsively to the average

1682
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:38,720
Speaker 2: eye and made it so obvious where Cinema when she

1683
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:41,960
Speaker 2: breaks dressed, she just dresses like an idiot, you know,

1684
01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:46,920
Speaker 2: or like a met Gala wanna be, whereas genuinely looks

1685
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:47,840
Speaker 2: horrib I.

1686
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:50,400
Speaker 1: Find Cinema's attired to be so much more so.

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01:14:50,479 --> 01:14:53,920
Speaker 3: She greates I'll put it that way.

1688
01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 2: He repulses me, she grates me, and she grates me.

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01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:59,000
Speaker 2: Though actually the grating might be worse, as you said,

1690
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:02,520
Speaker 2: because it on her lies a lot of attention seeking narcissism.

1691
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:04,320
Speaker 2: And the what was the shirt that she wore when

1692
01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:08,800
Speaker 2: she was presiding. It was like something you would buy

1693
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:11,240
Speaker 2: like for a teenager from limited to and like it

1694
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:14,360
Speaker 2: bejeweled across it, so it.

1695
01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:15,080
Speaker 4: Was it was bad.

1696
01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:17,479
Speaker 3: Okay, why do you even know about limited to?

1697
01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:22,800
Speaker 1: I think she used general cultural knowledge anyway.

1698
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:25,320
Speaker 3: I would just say we won, we beat them. Ugliness

1699
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:28,640
Speaker 3: will not Ugliness will not prevail in the long run.

1700
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:31,280
Speaker 3: I've always believed that this is a bit. I don't

1701
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:32,320
Speaker 3: think it went on all tactical.

1702
01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:35,720
Speaker 2: Ryan Emily, I want to thank you guys so much

1703
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:37,600
Speaker 2: for joining us. This was a lot of fun for

1704
01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:39,160
Speaker 2: the breakdown. I'm also glad we didn't spend the whole

1705
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:40,559
Speaker 2: time on the debate because of God, it was.

1706
01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:43,680
Speaker 1: Like there just wasn't enough there to pretend to like

1707
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:47,280
Speaker 1: it was. It mattered. Okay, last question on the debate

1708
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:49,960
Speaker 1: to wrap it up. Do you think anything changes in

1709
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:54,040
Speaker 1: the polls? Absolutely not, anything changes in the polls significantly.

1710
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:55,680
Speaker 11: I don't even think it changes like that at all.

1711
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:59,120
Speaker 3: I don't think anything moves anywhere outside of the.

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01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:01,320
Speaker 1: I think Haley may follow a couple of points.

1713
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:04,240
Speaker 11: O interesting, that's mine because she did get a first

1714
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:04,840
Speaker 11: debate bomb.

1715
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:12,840
Speaker 1: She was the one person who got bomb. Curtain curtain gage, devastating, devastating,

1716
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:15,040
Speaker 1: the Obama curtains.

1717
01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:17,320
Speaker 11: Inside inside baseball and wrap it all up and bring

1718
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:19,040
Speaker 11: it off full circle. I want to say that they

1719
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:22,879
Speaker 11: got into a shouting match before we started taping about Fetterman.

1720
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:28,320
Speaker 1: So what you saw was also what happened off that's actually.

1721
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:34,439
Speaker 3: We have Shank Huger standing by. Let's get to it.

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01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:39,400
Speaker 1: Auspicious day here at breaking Points. We have a very

1723
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:42,560
Speaker 1: special guest joining us in studio, Jank Huger. He is

1724
01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:45,479
Speaker 1: the creator of the Young Turks and also author of

1725
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:48,080
Speaker 1: the brand new book that we have here, how progressives

1726
01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:50,720
Speaker 1: are going to take over the country and America is

1727
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:52,639
Speaker 1: going to love it. Oh I skipped the main title,

1728
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:53,639
Speaker 1: which is Justice is Coming.

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01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:58,160
Speaker 9: Indeed, yes, right now, Yes, you have arrived.

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01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:01,640
Speaker 1: Justice is arrived. It's great to see you. I know

1731
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:03,880
Speaker 1: you went through some links with the Red Eye and

1732
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:05,439
Speaker 1: all that to be able to get here, and we're

1733
01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:06,000
Speaker 1: really grateful.

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Speaker 9: No problem, thank you.

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Speaker 1: So before we get into the book, any big hot

1736
01:17:10,160 --> 01:17:12,120
Speaker 1: takes from the debate last night is Doug Burger I'm

1737
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:14,760
Speaker 1: going to surge into zero point six percent of the vote.

1738
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:15,200
Speaker 1: What do you think?

1739
01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:17,160
Speaker 9: Well, I actually kind of liked Doug Burghram.

1740
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:19,720
Speaker 13: I thought he made some practical points, had actually done

1741
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:21,680
Speaker 13: some things in his life, and he was the only

1742
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:24,360
Speaker 13: one that was actually trying to be substantive. Okay, Having

1743
01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:26,920
Speaker 13: said that, no, he will not surge two point six.

1744
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:29,599
Speaker 13: So look, I've got as similar take as a lot

1745
01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:32,400
Speaker 13: of folks do. It was a mess and it looked

1746
01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:35,519
Speaker 13: like the kid's table. They're constantly talking over each other.

1747
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:37,840
Speaker 13: They're running for a second. Although I thought the Sanders

1748
01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:40,680
Speaker 13: was a little strong last night, stronger than he normally is,

1749
01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:42,599
Speaker 13: with a weird smile and all.

1750
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:45,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's a little better than the first dight.

1751
01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:48,400
Speaker 9: Yeah yeah, but all that.

1752
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:52,240
Speaker 13: Notwithstanding, both Democrats and Reporicans don't really know how to

1753
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:55,280
Speaker 13: hit Donald Trump. Chris Christy is the closest that Liasy's

1754
01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:58,559
Speaker 13: aggressive and not shy about not scared. He's the only

1755
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:01,439
Speaker 13: person in neither party not scared of Trump, having said

1756
01:18:01,479 --> 01:18:04,920
Speaker 13: that I have a thousand better ways to hit Donald Trump,

1757
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:07,439
Speaker 13: and they just won't do it. You should put a

1758
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:11,559
Speaker 13: nickname on him, spoil Donnie. He got four hundred million

1759
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:13,439
Speaker 13: dollars from his dad. He blew it all, he says,

1760
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:17,200
Speaker 13: spoiled little child. And then when the country took his

1761
01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:19,519
Speaker 13: toy away, which is the American government, he wanted to

1762
01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:20,160
Speaker 13: break the toy.

1763
01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:22,839
Speaker 9: Right, That's who he is, spoiled little baby.

1764
01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:25,800
Speaker 13: You have to undercut his strength, and they keep the

1765
01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:28,599
Speaker 13: Democrats keep calling him racist, sexist, bigot, et cetera.

1766
01:18:29,320 --> 01:18:31,280
Speaker 9: Dude, everybody already knows that.

1767
01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:34,760
Speaker 13: And for a lot of those voters, unfortunately, that's not

1768
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:37,280
Speaker 13: the bug, that's the feature. But even so, it's not

1769
01:18:37,439 --> 01:18:40,120
Speaker 13: all folks who are you know, there's a lot of

1770
01:18:40,120 --> 01:18:43,840
Speaker 13: anti establishment people there, especially among independents. You need to

1771
01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:46,360
Speaker 13: deliver on issues, and you need to attack and where

1772
01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:50,680
Speaker 13: it hurts. He's a terrible businessman. He's weak, insecure, a

1773
01:18:50,840 --> 01:18:54,880
Speaker 13: baby undercut his strength instead of constantly feeding into he's

1774
01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:55,639
Speaker 13: too strong.

1775
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:57,800
Speaker 9: Oh, that's a terrible way of attacking him.

1776
01:18:58,040 --> 01:19:00,280
Speaker 2: That's tough because a lot of Republicans loved Trum and

1777
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:02,640
Speaker 2: they don't even I mean, anything that codes that way

1778
01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:05,879
Speaker 2: they're going to say is liberal. But I'm curious actually

1779
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:08,160
Speaker 2: about why you decided to write this book in the

1780
01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:12,240
Speaker 2: middle of the Biden era and what you see as

1781
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:14,920
Speaker 2: the justice coming, how the progressives are going to take

1782
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:17,439
Speaker 2: over in the middle of an administration which has probably

1783
01:19:17,439 --> 01:19:19,120
Speaker 2: been middling from your guys' perspective.

1784
01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:21,880
Speaker 3: So why do you think that this is the tide

1785
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:22,280
Speaker 3: going in there?

1786
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:24,960
Speaker 13: Yeah, So I'm really worried about twenty twenty four, which

1787
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:27,120
Speaker 13: we'll probably get into in a second. Yeah, for sure,

1788
01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:32,360
Speaker 13: But after twenty twenty four, it's all us. So I

1789
01:19:32,479 --> 01:19:35,240
Speaker 13: explained in chapter six this is not false. Ope, it's

1790
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:40,040
Speaker 13: backed up by overwhelming data. So the young are incredibly progressive.

1791
01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:42,920
Speaker 13: The top republic impulsor, Frank Lunz, has his two pay

1792
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:45,880
Speaker 13: on fire. He's like they're coming, and I showed in

1793
01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:49,840
Speaker 13: the book even states that Bernie Sanders loss in twenty twenty,

1794
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:53,840
Speaker 13: he wins with crushing margins for under forty five. Under

1795
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:56,040
Speaker 13: forty five's is it really still a hung And this

1796
01:19:56,120 --> 01:19:58,320
Speaker 13: selection is going to be under forty nine, and by

1797
01:19:58,360 --> 01:20:01,439
Speaker 13: twenty and twenty eight it's going to be under fifty four,

1798
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:03,800
Speaker 13: and then we've got a majority, and so we could

1799
01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:06,400
Speaker 13: win a Democratic primary and we could win a general election.

1800
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:09,400
Speaker 13: So it's actually all we have to do is make

1801
01:20:09,479 --> 01:20:12,120
Speaker 13: sure that we don't snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

1802
01:20:12,439 --> 01:20:14,599
Speaker 13: There's no question we're going to win in the long run.

1803
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:16,960
Speaker 13: It isn't about race, it isn't about sex, it isn't

1804
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:19,920
Speaker 13: about gender identity, it's about age. We have the young

1805
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:22,680
Speaker 13: on our side, and it is a tsunami. But we

1806
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:25,360
Speaker 13: just can't lose democracy in twenty twenty four. And that's

1807
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:26,280
Speaker 13: what I'm really worried about.

1808
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:26,559
Speaker 9: Biden.

1809
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:30,200
Speaker 1: Interesting how is this different from the arguments that were

1810
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:33,160
Speaker 1: made about the quote unquote coalition of the Ascendant and

1811
01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:36,879
Speaker 1: the idea that you know, demographics are destiny and therefore,

1812
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:38,840
Speaker 1: you know, the Republicans are going to be vanquished and

1813
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:40,920
Speaker 1: then we end up getting Donald Trump and it turns out,

1814
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:43,959
Speaker 1: you know, Latinos have been shifting. Democrats still win Latinos,

1815
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:46,120
Speaker 1: but there has been a notable shift there. There's been

1816
01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:49,280
Speaker 1: some shift, even a more marginal among black voters and

1817
01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:52,240
Speaker 1: black men in particular. So isn't it a little bit

1818
01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:57,240
Speaker 1: too triumphant to assume that these demographic groups that support

1819
01:20:57,320 --> 01:21:00,559
Speaker 1: progressive values and tend to support democratic democra right now

1820
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:02,800
Speaker 1: are just going to continue to vote in the same

1821
01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:03,960
Speaker 1: way that they have historically.

1822
01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:06,479
Speaker 9: Yeah, so there's a great question. So there's a couple

1823
01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:08,080
Speaker 9: of very important differences.

1824
01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:14,000
Speaker 13: So, first of all, Democrats took those minority demographics for granted.

1825
01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:16,280
Speaker 13: They're like, oh, black people and Latinos are always going

1826
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:18,160
Speaker 13: to vote for us, we don't actually have to deliver

1827
01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:21,200
Speaker 13: for them. So, for example, this time around, Bare Minimum

1828
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:23,960
Speaker 13: was voting rights, and then they didn't do voting rights right.

1829
01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:26,439
Speaker 13: They didn't even really try to do voting rights. They

1830
01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:29,200
Speaker 13: almost never deliver on those things. Joe Biden has delivered

1831
01:21:29,200 --> 01:21:31,200
Speaker 13: on about twenty twenty five percent of his agenda, but

1832
01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:33,679
Speaker 13: not nearly good enough. You have to and you see

1833
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:38,520
Speaker 13: the discontent in African American media like Charlemagne and others, etc. Latinos.

1834
01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:41,840
Speaker 13: Now Trump's up to forty two percent. So just saying hey,

1835
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:43,400
Speaker 13: you're black or you're brown, vote.

1836
01:21:43,240 --> 01:21:44,720
Speaker 9: For me is not good enough.

1837
01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:47,479
Speaker 13: Right, But for young people, they're not going to all

1838
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:49,559
Speaker 13: of a sudden turn around and hate gay people, hate

1839
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:50,200
Speaker 13: black people.

1840
01:21:50,479 --> 01:21:51,840
Speaker 9: Their identity is usually set.

1841
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:54,560
Speaker 13: As I explained the book, Meta studies show between the

1842
01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:57,080
Speaker 13: ages of fourteen and twenty four, and once it is set,

1843
01:21:57,160 --> 01:21:59,840
Speaker 13: it does not change. So they're not going to random

1844
01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:04,840
Speaker 13: turned into hateful folks or corporate policies. It's not gonna

1845
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:07,599
Speaker 13: work in the old days. And here's another giant part

1846
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:11,200
Speaker 13: of the puzzle. It's us okay, breaking poise, tyt et cetera.

1847
01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:15,720
Speaker 13: Because mainstream media is on the precipice of capsizing. Yes, yeah,

1848
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:18,559
Speaker 13: because their costs are now higher than.

1849
01:22:18,479 --> 01:22:20,440
Speaker 9: Their revenue for a lot of television.

1850
01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:24,599
Speaker 13: Okay, So when they capsize there and they're already bleeding viewers,

1851
01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:28,920
Speaker 13: and their viewers are on average about seventy years old. Right,

1852
01:22:29,400 --> 01:22:33,200
Speaker 13: So now, guy, I've underestimated that before. I underestimated in

1853
01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:35,720
Speaker 13: twenty twenty and I'm honest about that. It turns out

1854
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:39,320
Speaker 13: those older voters were still ascendant and were and controlled

1855
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:42,760
Speaker 13: the Democratic primaries, and they're brainwashed by Joe Scarborough and

1856
01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:45,800
Speaker 13: mainstream media. And so that was a very powerful force

1857
01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:47,559
Speaker 13: and has been for a long time in this country.

1858
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:51,720
Speaker 13: You can't underestimate it. But by twenty twenty eight it

1859
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:54,720
Speaker 13: is a completely different ballgame, both in media.

1860
01:22:54,479 --> 01:22:59,759
Speaker 9: Which is everything, and in the age demographic, but all throughout.

1861
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:03,519
Speaker 13: The one other giant difference when corporate democrats go, Okay,

1862
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:05,120
Speaker 13: you have to vote for us because you're a black

1863
01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:09,439
Speaker 13: or brown, but then they don't deliver it. But progressives say, no,

1864
01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:11,680
Speaker 13: we are going to deliver for you. We're going to

1865
01:23:11,960 --> 01:23:15,599
Speaker 13: deliver on paid family, higher minimum wage, relieving student debt,

1866
01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:18,840
Speaker 13: public option, medicare for all, you name it, we actually

1867
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:21,280
Speaker 13: mean it. So who's our standard bearer has been for

1868
01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:23,920
Speaker 13: a long time is Bernie Sanders. And everybody knows whether

1869
01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:25,720
Speaker 13: you like him or not, whether you agree with him

1870
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:29,360
Speaker 13: or not, he's probably the most honest man in American politics,

1871
01:23:29,439 --> 01:23:30,200
Speaker 13: in our lifetime.

1872
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:31,720
Speaker 9: I think even the right wing knows that.

1873
01:23:31,840 --> 01:23:34,360
Speaker 13: And definitely independence though in that I'm not saying Bernie's

1874
01:23:34,360 --> 01:23:37,200
Speaker 13: gonna run again, but our standard bearer is honest and

1875
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:40,760
Speaker 13: the other guys have Trump and corporatists, so they're not

1876
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:42,000
Speaker 13: going to win the young doing that.

1877
01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:43,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's get into that. And that's why it's interesting.

1878
01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:45,720
Speaker 2: You've been talking a little bit about Joe Biden. Let's

1879
01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:47,880
Speaker 2: put this tweet up there on the screen now. For example,

1880
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:50,080
Speaker 2: you say Biden is losing by ten points in this poll.

1881
01:23:50,360 --> 01:23:52,320
Speaker 2: Even if it's half wrong, it's still an epic disaster.

1882
01:23:52,439 --> 01:23:54,559
Speaker 2: The Democrat has to win the popular vote by five

1883
01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:57,280
Speaker 2: to win the electoral college. Right now, Biden is fifteen

1884
01:23:57,320 --> 01:23:58,720
Speaker 2: points behind where he needs to be.

1885
01:23:59,200 --> 01:23:59,600
Speaker 3: Wake up.

1886
01:24:00,160 --> 01:24:02,479
Speaker 2: You mentioned Bernie Sanders. I believe Bernie is what is

1887
01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:05,280
Speaker 2: he eighty two eighty three? Probably in my opinion, he

1888
01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:08,799
Speaker 2: shouldn't run at that point. So you talked about standard bearers,

1889
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:11,639
Speaker 2: but there doesn't From an outsider's perspective, I don't see

1890
01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:13,760
Speaker 2: a standard bearer in the progressive move I've seen a

1891
01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:16,240
Speaker 2: lot of fracturing. There's a lot of fighting going on,

1892
01:24:16,439 --> 01:24:19,080
Speaker 2: there's some like there's a lot of different theories of.

1893
01:24:19,240 --> 01:24:19,920
Speaker 3: Change and all that.

1894
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:23,360
Speaker 2: So how if you want to mount a challenge to Biden,

1895
01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:26,360
Speaker 2: what does it look like? Give us some actual names

1896
01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:28,400
Speaker 2: of what that would be and then the fights that

1897
01:24:28,439 --> 01:24:29,439
Speaker 2: would ensue within that.

1898
01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:30,240
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1899
01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:33,559
Speaker 13: So, first of all, I agree with you. Bernie's got

1900
01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:35,880
Speaker 13: age issues, as Biden and Trump does. And not only that,

1901
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:38,559
Speaker 13: I love Bernie, but he just doesn't like to fight.

1902
01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:41,400
Speaker 13: He doesn't like to fight other Democrats Keller. Yeah, And

1903
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:43,240
Speaker 13: you can't win if you don't find right. You've got

1904
01:24:43,320 --> 01:24:45,479
Speaker 13: to make your own case. That's the same problem Biden has.

1905
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:49,280
Speaker 13: He just never makes his own case. So look, guys,

1906
01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:53,040
Speaker 13: what's going to happen is there's one strong, populous progressive

1907
01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:55,400
Speaker 13: is going to rise and they're going to capture the.

1908
01:24:55,400 --> 01:24:58,840
Speaker 9: Country with lightning speed. Interesting, so right now do we

1909
01:24:59,000 --> 01:24:59,280
Speaker 9: have that?

1910
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:00,160
Speaker 11: Not?

1911
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:00,840
Speaker 9: Not really?

1912
01:25:01,200 --> 01:25:04,080
Speaker 13: And so why do I say that? Well, look, you know,

1913
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:06,040
Speaker 13: if you want to be the strong leader, you got

1914
01:25:06,160 --> 01:25:09,160
Speaker 13: to step up. That's what strong leaders do. They don't

1915
01:25:09,160 --> 01:25:12,240
Speaker 13: go Well, Biden didn't give me permission. If you're worried

1916
01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:14,639
Speaker 13: about Biden giving your permission, you ain't it. Yes, Okay,

1917
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:18,200
Speaker 13: I'm sorry now having said that, for twenty twenty four,

1918
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:22,280
Speaker 13: the progressive boat is almost gone, right, so there's only

1919
01:25:22,400 --> 01:25:22,920
Speaker 13: one like.

1920
01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:26,880
Speaker 9: It's so bad. I seriously considered running because nobody will

1921
01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:29,840
Speaker 9: do it. For God's sake, it's a golden opportunity.

1922
01:25:29,920 --> 01:25:32,679
Speaker 13: The guys in this is in the in the thirties,

1923
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:35,320
Speaker 13: in the polling that we're whistling past the graveyard.

1924
01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:37,880
Speaker 9: He's gonna lose. He's he had.

1925
01:25:37,960 --> 01:25:40,760
Speaker 13: He was at fifty two when he won in twenty twenty,

1926
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:42,559
Speaker 13: and he won by a razor thin march of forty

1927
01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:46,160
Speaker 13: four thousand votes in the electoral college. Now fifteen points lower.

1928
01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:49,640
Speaker 13: We're just kidding ourselves. The handwriting is on the wall.

1929
01:25:49,680 --> 01:25:50,160
Speaker 9: He's gonna lose.

1930
01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:52,960
Speaker 13: So at this point, soccer, give me anybody, give me anybody,

1931
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:55,679
Speaker 13: give me Andy Msher in Kentucky, give me Governor Shapiro

1932
01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:56,560
Speaker 13: in Pennsylvania.

1933
01:25:56,920 --> 01:25:59,840
Speaker 9: I'll even take Whitmer. Okay, Okay, I don't care.

1934
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:03,439
Speaker 13: We just anybody but Biden, because it's not personal. I

1935
01:26:03,439 --> 01:26:06,519
Speaker 13: don't mind Biden. I would prefer someone more progressive, et cetera.

1936
01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:08,559
Speaker 13: But at this point, it's not about that. We've got

1937
01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:10,960
Speaker 13: to win. Is democracy on the line or isn't it?

1938
01:26:11,160 --> 01:26:13,040
Speaker 13: Because I think Democrats are full of crap.

1939
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:14,080
Speaker 9: They say stuff like.

1940
01:26:14,120 --> 01:26:16,280
Speaker 13: That, Oh, that guy's a fascists, he's gonna kill democracy.

1941
01:26:16,479 --> 01:26:19,680
Speaker 13: So we're running a guy who's a wounded antelope, who

1942
01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:22,599
Speaker 13: seventy two percent of Americans think is not even going

1943
01:26:22,680 --> 01:26:25,519
Speaker 13: to make it through a second term. There's no one

1944
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:27,599
Speaker 13: on planet Earth that could look at those pulling numbers

1945
01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:30,040
Speaker 13: and say, yeah, he's gonna win. If they do say that,

1946
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Speaker 13: they're definitely lying.

1947
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Speaker 1: So it's hard to disagree with much of that. However,

1948
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Speaker 1: I will say that I do have some nervousness in

1949
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Speaker 1: my ideal scenario, you know, Biden would withdraw, wou'd have

1950
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Speaker 1: a real democratic process. I'm not of this view that

1951
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:47,519
Speaker 1: like democracy is bad for electoral chances, et cetera. I

1952
01:26:47,560 --> 01:26:50,280
Speaker 1: actually think it's really good. It allows people to make

1953
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Speaker 1: the case. It allows democratic voters to choose the cannon

1954
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Speaker 1: that they would be think would be best suited, et cetera,

1955
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Speaker 1: et cetera. But I do worry that there are some

1956
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Speaker 1: cannons that I feel like would be worse than Biden,

1957
01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:03,200
Speaker 1: not only electorally, Like I think Kamala Harris would be

1958
01:27:03,240 --> 01:27:07,000
Speaker 1: worse electorally. I think Pete Boodagic would you know, potentially

1959
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Speaker 1: be worse electorally. But I also think that they would

1960
01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:12,439
Speaker 1: be a lot worse on policy, because even though I

1961
01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:14,960
Speaker 1: have a million criticisms of Biden that we talk about

1962
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:18,600
Speaker 1: here all the time on labor issues with regards to

1963
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Speaker 1: the National Labor Relations Board, on the fact that he

1964
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:23,120
Speaker 1: went to the freaking pigy line first president in history,

1965
01:27:23,479 --> 01:27:27,040
Speaker 1: he is better than the Obama Democrats in some key ways.

1966
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Speaker 1: I mean, they've tried to do industrial policy, that's been

1967
01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:32,200
Speaker 1: a significant step forward. They haven't done enough on the

1968
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Speaker 1: consumer side, they haven't done enough on the workers side,

1969
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Speaker 1: et cetera. You know, they let all the Social Safety

1970
01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:39,120
Speaker 1: Net stuff from COVID expire, and that's why so many

1971
01:27:39,160 --> 01:27:42,640
Speaker 1: Americans are feeling really stressed and struggling financially. But I

1972
01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:46,400
Speaker 1: can see a lot other options that would actually be worse,

1973
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:51,000
Speaker 1: both on policy and on like being able to win

1974
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Speaker 1: and defeat Trump. You agree with that, No? Should you

1975
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Speaker 1: think commlal win'll be better?

1976
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Speaker 11: No?

1977
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Speaker 1: Be clear?

1978
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Speaker 13: Okay, So Number one, this is not about Biden's record.

1979
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Speaker 13: If we were started this primary a year ago, when

1980
01:28:03,560 --> 01:28:05,840
Speaker 13: the Republicans started, or six months ago, it would be

1981
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:06,760
Speaker 13: about Biden's record.

1982
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:08,320
Speaker 9: And Biden's record is mixed.

1983
01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:12,400
Speaker 13: So normal Democrats like Barack Obama do five percent of

1984
01:28:12,479 --> 01:28:14,759
Speaker 13: the things that they promise, and then the media declares

1985
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:17,320
Speaker 13: them champions of the world. Right, Biden has done about

1986
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:19,960
Speaker 13: twenty percent of his agenda, which for politicians is a

1987
01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:22,920
Speaker 13: bit stunning. It still sucks, but it's like way better

1988
01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:25,880
Speaker 13: than some other politicians. You write, his record on labor

1989
01:28:25,960 --> 01:28:29,000
Speaker 13: is pretty good, a bunch of spotty areas, but overall

1990
01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:32,080
Speaker 13: pretty good. Now, but I'm not arguing that, guys, it

1991
01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:35,479
Speaker 13: doesn't matter how great we think Biden is if he loses.

1992
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:39,920
Speaker 13: So look and incumbent under fifty points the old rule.

1993
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Speaker 13: Everybody in Washington knows this cannot win or does that win,

1994
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Speaker 13: and incumbent under forty points, it's unprecedented, Jack Carter, I've

1995
01:28:47,439 --> 01:28:48,799
Speaker 13: never seen it in my lifetime.

1996
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Speaker 9: It's not going to happen.

1997
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Speaker 13: On the day that he won with odly forty four

1998
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Speaker 13: thousand votes in the electoral college in three swing states,

1999
01:28:56,600 --> 01:28:58,439
Speaker 13: he had a four and a half point lead, not

2000
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Speaker 13: in a poll, in the actual vote, the popular vote.

2001
01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:04,400
Speaker 13: So the Democrat needs a five point lead for us

2002
01:29:04,479 --> 01:29:08,160
Speaker 13: to feel a tiny bit comfortable about saving democracy, and

2003
01:29:08,280 --> 01:29:10,880
Speaker 13: Biden is currently losing to Trump, So I'm not having

2004
01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:12,960
Speaker 13: a conversation about substance. At this point, I wish I

2005
01:29:13,200 --> 01:29:15,720
Speaker 13: was I'm having a conversation about who can win. Now

2006
01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:19,439
Speaker 13: this crazy thought that people in Washington have. They have

2007
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:21,680
Speaker 13: all this mythology, and in the book I break down

2008
01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:24,760
Speaker 13: all the mythology. In this case, though, the line is, well,

2009
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:26,200
Speaker 13: if it's all Biden, and we go to the line

2010
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Speaker 13: of succession, and Kamala Harrison says.

2011
01:29:27,960 --> 01:29:29,920
Speaker 9: What the hell did we become a monarchy? There's no

2012
01:29:30,040 --> 01:29:32,320
Speaker 9: line of succession. That's not a thing. It's a thing.

2013
01:29:32,680 --> 01:29:34,800
Speaker 13: If some of God forbids something were to happen to

2014
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Speaker 13: President Biden, then you have a lot of succession when

2015
01:29:37,080 --> 01:29:40,160
Speaker 13: they're in office, but not in a primary. We're not

2016
01:29:40,280 --> 01:29:44,120
Speaker 13: the British royalty. Kamala Harris isn't anointed, neither is Biden,

2017
01:29:44,280 --> 01:29:47,160
Speaker 13: or shouldn't be. And now people in media are freaking

2018
01:29:47,200 --> 01:29:48,720
Speaker 13: out a little bit. They're beginning to see I'm right.

2019
01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:52,000
Speaker 13: James Carville's freaking out. David Ignatius at Washington Post is

2020
01:29:52,040 --> 01:29:55,599
Speaker 13: freaking out. But they're frozen in amber because they're like, well,

2021
01:29:56,080 --> 01:29:58,760
Speaker 13: we have to bow down to Biden. I mean, what

2022
01:29:58,840 --> 01:30:03,120
Speaker 13: would the king say other And we're Democrats, we obey authority.

2023
01:30:03,240 --> 01:30:03,360
Speaker 6: Right.

2024
01:30:03,479 --> 01:30:05,720
Speaker 9: No, we're Democrats. We don't obey authority.

2025
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Speaker 11: Right.

2026
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Speaker 9: And then they say, well we get rid of Biden,

2027
01:30:07,880 --> 01:30:09,360
Speaker 9: Well we have to go to the crown princess.

2028
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Speaker 4: But what plan is?

2029
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Speaker 1: Unfortunately a lot of Democrats do a bit authority. I

2030
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Speaker 1: mean that's what we saw in twenty twenty, right, I

2031
01:30:15,880 --> 01:30:17,760
Speaker 1: mean that was the killer. Once the media was like,

2032
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:20,479
Speaker 1: it's Biden, and if you want to beat Trump, you

2033
01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:23,080
Speaker 1: got to get behind Biden. We saw how quickly the

2034
01:30:23,160 --> 01:30:26,400
Speaker 1: dominoes fell. So you know, I am worried about a

2035
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Speaker 1: scenario where if for whatever reason, Biden is not in

2036
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:32,520
Speaker 1: the picture anymore and you have a wide open primary

2037
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Speaker 1: and there's this media coalescing around. We have to back

2038
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Speaker 1: up Kamala Harris. She's the first black woman vice in line.

2039
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Speaker 9: No one, No one wants Kamala Harris.

2040
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Speaker 2: Every person I talk, you'll get racially blackmailed into I don't,

2041
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Speaker 2: no way, nobody's got time for that.

2042
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Speaker 13: Okay, that's like when you're old, that time for it.

2043
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Speaker 13: I don't care what the else in Washington thing.

2044
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Speaker 2: You may not.

2045
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Speaker 3: We agree, Yeah, we.

2046
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Speaker 1: Saw the way Democratic primary voters fell in line.

2047
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Speaker 13: No, So look, I hear you mainstream media is still powerful.

2048
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Speaker 13: Like I said, we're definitely gonna win in twenty eight

2049
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Speaker 13: and in twenty four. We're probably right on the edge, right,

2050
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Speaker 13: But we're not asking for a progressive to be Kamlin Harris,

2051
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Speaker 13: because if it was a progressive, yes, like for example,

2052
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Speaker 13: let's say Iran or Nina turneran or.

2053
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Speaker 1: Anyone like that, Marianne running or mary An.

2054
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Speaker 13: Williamson running right now, right, what does the press do.

2055
01:31:18,880 --> 01:31:21,160
Speaker 13: Our number one problem is in Biden. You put me

2056
01:31:21,240 --> 01:31:22,840
Speaker 13: one on one against Biden, you give me a fair

2057
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:26,240
Speaker 13: head hearing, I would destroy him. It wouldn't even be close.

2058
01:31:26,600 --> 01:31:28,960
Speaker 13: It'd be a landslide, right, But you don't get a

2059
01:31:29,080 --> 01:31:33,240
Speaker 13: fair hearing. The press, which is totally corporate media, shreds

2060
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Speaker 13: every progressive. So Chris, at this point, I'm not wishing

2061
01:31:36,360 --> 01:31:40,639
Speaker 13: upon a star, Hey, Press, you love corporatis. Andy Bishier,

2062
01:31:40,760 --> 01:31:44,479
Speaker 13: governor of Kentucky. It's a red state. He won in Kentucky.

2063
01:31:44,680 --> 01:31:46,640
Speaker 1: He's the most popular governor in America.

2064
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Speaker 13: Most popular governor in America. Josh Shapiro won in Pennsylvania,

2065
01:31:49,640 --> 01:31:51,960
Speaker 13: crushing victory against a Trump acolyte.

2066
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Speaker 9: So you guys are comfortable with Shapiro and Bashir, You

2067
01:31:54,640 --> 01:31:55,880
Speaker 9: won't rip them, gotcha.

2068
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Speaker 1: Let me push a little bit on the election point.

2069
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Speaker 1: What do you make of all of the special elections

2070
01:32:01,800 --> 01:32:05,160
Speaker 1: we've had recently that have had Democrats outperforming on an

2071
01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:08,360
Speaker 1: average of eleven points. So we've gotten used to these

2072
01:32:08,439 --> 01:32:12,280
Speaker 1: polls that underestimate the Republican support. It seems like, you know,

2073
01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:16,000
Speaker 1: in recent years that may have flipped post jobs. So

2074
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Speaker 1: that's what the Biden people would point to, is like, listen,

2075
01:32:18,439 --> 01:32:20,080
Speaker 1: the polls can say whatever they say. The polls are

2076
01:32:20,120 --> 01:32:22,639
Speaker 1: wrong all the time, but when voters are actually showing

2077
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Speaker 1: up to the polls, they are we are outperforming polls.

2078
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Speaker 1: We are outperforming the marchin by double digits. What do

2079
01:32:28,520 --> 01:32:28,920
Speaker 1: you make of that?

2080
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Speaker 9: Okay, so first of all, did it happen? Yes? But

2081
01:32:32,120 --> 01:32:34,400
Speaker 9: was Trump on the ballot? No, he was not on

2082
01:32:34,479 --> 01:32:38,640
Speaker 9: the ballot. Trump drives out crazy Republican votes and you

2083
01:32:38,840 --> 01:32:40,120
Speaker 9: know that. We all know that. Yeah.

2084
01:32:40,120 --> 01:32:43,960
Speaker 13: Second of all, saying, well, hopefully the polls are wrong,

2085
01:32:44,320 --> 01:32:46,800
Speaker 13: but hey it turns out, if it turns out science is.

2086
01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:50,240
Speaker 9: True, we're going to lose democracy. Cross your fingers right,

2087
01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:53,400
Speaker 9: and hey we might get an eleven point search.

2088
01:32:53,640 --> 01:32:55,639
Speaker 13: No, we're not going to get an eleven point search

2089
01:32:55,920 --> 01:32:58,439
Speaker 13: in a presidential race, but hoping for that.

2090
01:32:58,520 --> 01:32:59,679
Speaker 9: Okay, I got a great idea.

2091
01:32:59,680 --> 01:33:01,880
Speaker 13: Why don't put in Andy Basheer and he'll have a

2092
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:04,519
Speaker 13: five or six or eight point lead, and then we'll

2093
01:33:04,520 --> 01:33:07,680
Speaker 13: get then eleven point search and we'll guarantee democracy. And

2094
01:33:07,720 --> 01:33:10,120
Speaker 13: then we could fight Andy Basher in the twenty twenty

2095
01:33:10,200 --> 01:33:13,120
Speaker 13: eight primary. Somebody could run a year early. We can

2096
01:33:13,200 --> 01:33:15,640
Speaker 13: have fun within the Democratic Party, but this is the

2097
01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:21,680
Speaker 13: time for look about everything in everybody in Washington has

2098
01:33:21,760 --> 01:33:24,600
Speaker 13: to decide, and especially in the Democratic Party. Do you

2099
01:33:24,840 --> 01:33:27,360
Speaker 13: actually think democracy is on the line, because I do.

2100
01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:30,840
Speaker 13: I mean Trump is talking about killing US generals. The

2101
01:33:30,920 --> 01:33:35,000
Speaker 13: guy's a monster, a total maniac. He's talking about imprisoning

2102
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Speaker 13: his political opponents. He tried to cool last time.

2103
01:33:37,880 --> 01:33:41,519
Speaker 9: Fake electors everything. This guy's definitely a dictator.

2104
01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:44,000
Speaker 13: Want to be Apparently I'm the only person who thinks that,

2105
01:33:44,120 --> 01:33:45,200
Speaker 13: because other Democrats are like.

2106
01:33:45,200 --> 01:33:45,760
Speaker 9: Well, that's true.

2107
01:33:45,800 --> 01:33:47,160
Speaker 13: But on the other hand, we don't want to be

2108
01:33:47,320 --> 01:33:51,000
Speaker 13: impolite to Joe Biden. Joe Biden has a legacy to protect.

2109
01:33:51,240 --> 01:33:53,400
Speaker 13: He needs to be a two term president to fluff

2110
01:33:53,439 --> 01:33:56,679
Speaker 13: his ego. Let's note for the record that Joe Biden

2111
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Speaker 13: is incredibly selfish. If I was in the thirty and

2112
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Speaker 13: I thought democracy was on the line, I would definitely

2113
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Speaker 13: step aside.

2114
01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:06,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, the actions don't match up with the rudder.

2115
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Speaker 2: My last question for you, your governor, Governor Newsom, he

2116
01:34:10,360 --> 01:34:12,640
Speaker 2: was all over Fox News last night. The man is

2117
01:34:12,760 --> 01:34:14,720
Speaker 2: making a play. What do you think of him as

2118
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Speaker 2: a candidate, because clearly he wants it. He wants it

2119
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Speaker 2: right now. He's the only one you're talking about stepping up.

2120
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Speaker 2: He's probably gone the most as anyone. What do you

2121
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Speaker 2: think do you think you should run against Biden? What

2122
01:34:22,960 --> 01:34:23,600
Speaker 2: do you think you should do?

2123
01:34:23,800 --> 01:34:26,120
Speaker 9: Well, he's not going to because he's a corporate demeral. Yea,

2124
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Speaker 9: So if he ran against Biden.

2125
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Speaker 13: I'm not a fan of Gavin Newsom, but I would,

2126
01:34:32,160 --> 01:34:34,840
Speaker 13: but I would hold my nose. And at least he's young,

2127
01:34:34,920 --> 01:34:39,000
Speaker 13: he's dynamic, he's out there fighting the fight. I'm trying

2128
01:34:39,000 --> 01:34:42,000
Speaker 13: to win here, guys, we got to win. So now,

2129
01:34:42,120 --> 01:34:44,840
Speaker 13: having said that, Gavin is not going to run against

2130
01:34:44,920 --> 01:34:50,040
Speaker 13: him because he's a corporatist. So the corporate Democrats obey authority.

2131
01:34:50,320 --> 01:34:53,280
Speaker 13: So when Biden says my he goes more important than democracy.

2132
01:34:53,439 --> 01:34:54,679
Speaker 13: Gavin Newsom says yes.

2133
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Speaker 9: Sir, of course, sir, Absolutely, sir. I don't do whatever

2134
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Speaker 9: you want, sir, just as.

2135
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Speaker 13: Long as I'm not in polite Sir Washington, please don't

2136
01:35:00,720 --> 01:35:02,680
Speaker 13: yell let me, Please don't yell at me. Make me

2137
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Speaker 13: president in twenty twenty eight, I mean, if we have elections,

2138
01:35:05,439 --> 01:35:06,800
Speaker 13: but who cares about democracy?

2139
01:35:07,200 --> 01:35:11,479
Speaker 9: Democrats? Stop being so selfish and ridiculous. Do you think

2140
01:35:11,560 --> 01:35:12,160
Speaker 9: we have to win?

2141
01:35:12,360 --> 01:35:14,200
Speaker 13: Or don't you if you think we have to win?

2142
01:35:14,760 --> 01:35:17,160
Speaker 13: Biden is not going to get a five point lead.

2143
01:35:17,680 --> 01:35:18,839
Speaker 13: He doesn't even campaign.

2144
01:35:19,040 --> 01:35:19,800
Speaker 11: Where the hell is he?

2145
01:35:20,320 --> 01:35:23,000
Speaker 9: Where's Joe Biden? I'm asking where the hell is he?

2146
01:35:23,160 --> 01:35:25,719
Speaker 3: He's right here, yeah, yeah.

2147
01:35:26,400 --> 01:35:29,320
Speaker 1: Nodding off taking and he did make appearance on the

2148
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Speaker 1: picket line, which I very much appreciate. My last question

2149
01:35:31,840 --> 01:35:34,160
Speaker 1: for you, Jank is like, how hopeful are you that

2150
01:35:34,360 --> 01:35:36,639
Speaker 1: we could end up with someone other than Joe Biden

2151
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Speaker 1: as nominee? Like do you think because she say yeah,

2152
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Speaker 1: I mean because you say, listen, Gavin Newsom's not going

2153
01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:42,920
Speaker 1: to run against him. That goes for every one of

2154
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Speaker 1: the corporate Democrats. I mean, Gavin Newsom is the one

2155
01:35:45,439 --> 01:35:48,120
Speaker 1: making the most like doing the most right now, and

2156
01:35:48,280 --> 01:35:49,920
Speaker 1: it's very clear he's not going to jump in this

2157
01:35:50,040 --> 01:35:52,160
Speaker 1: race against Joe. So do you think there's a chance, Chrystal.

2158
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Speaker 13: We are definitely in an unsolvable riddle because the corporate

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Speaker 13: Democrats say, I will not disobey, I will always bow

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Speaker 13: my head right, and the progressives say, well, I can't run.

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Speaker 13: The mainstream media will destroy me. They will destroy my life,

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Speaker 13: they'll destroy my career, et cetera. Right, So how do

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Speaker 13: we get past that? That's why I'm desperate enough to

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Speaker 13: think maybe I should do it. And I'll tell you why.

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Speaker 13: Because let's say that somebody like me gets in the race.

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Speaker 13: The Democratic voters are dying for an alternative. They keep

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Speaker 13: saying every poll, for God's sake, give us someone else,

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Speaker 13: give us someone else. If someone like me were to

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Speaker 13: get to twenty points, do you have any idea how

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Speaker 13: quick Newsom and Whitmer would enter the race.

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Speaker 1: So are you seriously you're seriously considering it?

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Speaker 3: Like, yeah, I'm considering it, And I'll tell you what's happened.

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Speaker 2: RFK Junior is at twenty percent, you know, Marianne's at

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Speaker 2: like ten percent something like.

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Speaker 13: But RFK Junior, first of all, he's not a twenty anymore.

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Speaker 13: He peaked at twenty for a brief moment until democrats

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Speaker 13: found out he's.

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Speaker 9: Not a Democrat.

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Speaker 13: Okay, then he went, Then he dove down, and Marianne

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Speaker 13: got butchered by mainstream media.

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Speaker 9: They made up things about crystals, et cetera. So I

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Speaker 9: love Marianne.

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Speaker 13: I I you know, if if she could somehow bring

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Speaker 13: through media, great, wonderful, et cetera. But it's taken a

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Speaker 13: while and she hasn't broken through yet. So we need

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Speaker 13: someone to be super aggressive. And if they'll let me

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Speaker 13: ask you this way, if you get again, someone anyone,

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Speaker 13: it doesn't have to be progressive, gets to twenty or

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Speaker 13: twenty five, an outsider, right, this whole town panics and

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Speaker 13: Newsome and Whitmer go in and media.

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Speaker 1: I do think that's that, right.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, because it already happened with RFK and

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Speaker 2: they just ignored him and they went after him.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, that was that was No, that was before when

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Speaker 13: they were convinced that Biden was going to win, and

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Speaker 13: RFK everybody knew it was a flash in the pan

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Speaker 13: because he's not really a Democrat.

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Speaker 1: Maybe, but so Jake, tell me more about your thinking. Yeah, timeline,

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Speaker 1: when do you Wang, how serious are you give us

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Speaker 1: a detail?

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Speaker 13: So I already thought about it before, and I rejected

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Speaker 13: it because I know what they're gonna do.

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Speaker 9: You know, you're an outsider radical.

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Speaker 13: They're gonna dredge up things from nineteen eighty seven and

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Speaker 13: when you were a junior in junior high school.

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Speaker 1: They need that to you.

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Speaker 9: They did that.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, of course. And look, if we're being honest,

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Speaker 13: the number one problem is mainstream media. Mainstream media is

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Speaker 13: the shock troops of corporate politicians, both corporate Democrats and

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Speaker 13: corporate Republicans. Their job is to eviscerate any outsider. So

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Speaker 13: that's why do you think Progresses aren't running. I've talked

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Speaker 13: to at least half a dozen progressives and try to convince.

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Speaker 9: Them to go in the race, and they're like, I

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01:38:18,640 --> 01:38:20,960
Speaker 9: don't want my life ruined. Who's going to ruin their life?

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Speaker 9: Joe Biden's in a bunker somewhere.

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Speaker 13: No, it's gonna be ABC and NBC and CBS and

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Speaker 13: CNA and MSNBC, New York Times, Washington Post.

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Speaker 9: They're going to go to any outsider and shred into pieces.

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Speaker 13: And I'm now so desperate for making sure that we

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Speaker 13: win that I think I'm already destroyed, right, Like they've

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Speaker 13: already attacked me ten thousand times, right, so come at me,

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Speaker 13: bro So, Crystal, it's crazy for me to consider it, right,

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Speaker 13: but that's the times we're in. If like, literally, no

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Speaker 13: one else will do it, it's insane. So we're I

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Speaker 13: don't want to go quietly into that good night, and

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Speaker 13: right now we are one hundred percent on a track

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Speaker 13: to go quietly into that goodness.

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Speaker 3: So what's the timeline?

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Speaker 9: As Crystal s, no, I.

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Speaker 13: Look, if I'm gonna do it, if anybody's gonna do it,

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Speaker 13: they gotta go.

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Speaker 11: Now, well, have you thought.

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Speaker 1: About staff, have you thought about a plan? Have you

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Speaker 1: reached it? I mean we know, you know, donor networks,

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Speaker 1: all those sorts of things that we started taking real steps.

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Speaker 13: So if you're going to run a campaign this late,

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Speaker 13: you can't go traditional, right. You can't be like, oh,

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Speaker 13: I'm going to collect endorsements from politicians. Oh, and I'm

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Speaker 13: going to build up my base tiny bit. No, you

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Speaker 13: got to go and hope for grassroots tsunami. The good

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Speaker 13: news is when I ran for Congress, I mean it

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01:39:34,520 --> 01:39:36,559
Speaker 13: was a tiny little race. We raised like one point

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Speaker 13: three million in three months. I mean, if anybody can

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Speaker 13: raise money, it's meat from the grassroots, right, And I'm

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Speaker 13: a successful businessman, if I might say so myself, I

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Speaker 13: have some credibility in running things, managing things, et cetera.

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Speaker 9: So have I reached out to staff?

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Speaker 6: I have?

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Speaker 9: Okay, Now the problem is everybody thinks, well, how the

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Speaker 9: hell are we going to beat these guys?

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Speaker 13: Right, So if I go in, it's going to be

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01:39:59,080 --> 01:40:03,440
Speaker 13: threadbare staff, threadbare website, and we're gonna see is there momentum?

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Speaker 13: Because if there is a momentum and people go no, no, no, no, no, Biden, Biden,

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Speaker 13: even if he's in the twenties, I don't care. I

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Speaker 13: don't want I don't mind losing. I don't mind losing.

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Speaker 13: You're being impolite, which is totally possible.

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Speaker 3: Right, So if that's yeah, I think there's a decent

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Speaker 3: contingent though.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I think that yeah.

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Speaker 13: And if that's the case, then at least I left

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Speaker 13: it all on the battlefield, or whoever does it, for

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Speaker 13: God's sake, don't make me.

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Speaker 9: Do it like I have someone else run.

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Speaker 13: Right, But I can't get anyone to do it, And

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Speaker 13: so I want to leave it all on the battlefield

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Speaker 13: and I don't want to say, well, like everyone else,

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Speaker 13: I wanted to be polite. So we lost democracy because

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Speaker 13: we thought it would hurt Mussolini's opponent's' feelings.

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Speaker 9: Right, does anybody remember Mussolini's opponent?

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Speaker 3: I don't actually, of course no one does.

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Speaker 13: No one, okay, because Mussolini ran him over and he

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Speaker 13: probably sat on a couch, just like Joe Biden is.

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Speaker 13: Right now, you guys, we're on it. And I know

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Speaker 13: how mad Democrats get it. I know how mad media

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01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:06,920
Speaker 13: gets when you point out an iceberg. But we did

2277
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Speaker 13: it before. We pointed out the Hillary Clinton iceberg, and

2278
01:41:09,360 --> 01:41:11,600
Speaker 13: then they said you made the Iceberg appere No, your

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01:41:11,680 --> 01:41:12,559
Speaker 13: knuckle heads.

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Speaker 9: It's right there the country.

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Speaker 13: The voters despise the establishment, and they're like, so let's

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Speaker 13: pick the most establishment can ex weekend, Hillary Clinton and

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Speaker 13: Joe Biden.

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Speaker 9: Guys, he barely won last time. There's no way he's

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Speaker 9: gonna win. Now.

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Speaker 13: Let alone of Cornell West is in the race, and

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Speaker 13: Larry Hogan's in the race, and these guys are in

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01:41:31,479 --> 01:41:33,840
Speaker 13: the race, then there's no chance at all.

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Speaker 9: So no, I'm not going quietly into that good night.

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Speaker 9: So somebody better announced before I do.

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Speaker 1: All right, well, well all right, well I never thought

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Speaker 1: to ask you and your appearance if you were considering

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Speaker 1: running for president. Yeah, I appreciate yeah, absolutely, And guys,

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Speaker 1: definitely check out the book. I think you will not

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Speaker 1: be disappointed. It's very interesting, very thought provoking. As are

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Speaker 1: you always, Jenkins. Great to see you and I said

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Speaker 1: this to you privately, but I want to say it

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Speaker 1: to the audience too. You were there from the beginning

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01:41:59,479 --> 01:42:02,759
Speaker 1: helping us build at Rising and we are always grateful

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Speaker 1: to you for you know, helping to build up your

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01:42:05,000 --> 01:42:07,719
Speaker 1: true believer in terms of independent media, and that really shows.

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Speaker 1: So thank you forgotten.

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Speaker 3: So thank thank you, guys.

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Speaker 9: I really appreciate you saying that.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's our pleasure. We'll see you guys later