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Free 0:00:43.479 --> 0:00:48.519 Agency is officially upon us since we talk about what 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:52.199 the Cowboys have done, what the Cowboys have not done, 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:55.680 and what they're anticipated to do here over the next 0:00:55.760 --> 0:00:58.920 couple of weeks, because we have a lot to get 0:00:58.960 --> 0:01:02.440 to here over the next forty five minutes. Glad you're 0:01:02.480 --> 0:01:04.600 with us here from the s WBC studios at the 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:07.840 Star and Frisco. Isaiah, stand back, Patrick, No c. Walker. 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:10.479 We've got Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeoman's gentlemen, 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:14.480 how are we doing? I'm doing fanes Isaiah. I don't 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:16.520 know if you know this. What's that? I've got a 0:01:16.560 --> 0:01:18.640 little secret for you, okay, And this is also a 0:01:18.680 --> 0:01:21.119 secret for everybody that's out there listening to the Talking 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:23.679 Cowboys because we think of you as family. Oh, we 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:27.240 have somebody among us today among us that's basically our 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:31.920 own version chef of the Adam Schefter show of the 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:35.399 Inn Rapp Report, show of all of these Garofalos and 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:39.440 the Pellace arrows, And what are these these jokers that 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:43.080 wish they were Patrick's right? Goodness? What are we talking 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:45.040 about here? Fellas? All right, give me the latest thing 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:47.560 you've heard. I don't care if it's gonna get you 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:53.080 in trouble or not. Just tell me I care, Okay, 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:55.360 So we're gonna lead with this. First of all, this 0:01:55.440 --> 0:01:58.520 is one of the best what would Rob do moments? 0:01:58.520 --> 0:02:01.320 Because News and Notes leads with the Cowboys have reportedly 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:06.240 agreed to terms with impact veteran safety Donovan Wilson. Again, 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:09.240 this is per multiple report. Still working to confirm this upstairs, 0:02:09.240 --> 0:02:11.880 but it looks as if Donovan Wilson has been secured 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:14.800 and has secured his bag on a three year deal 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:20.200 reportedly worth upwards of twenty four million dollars. So a 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:25.000 key piece of dan Quinn's defense remains in North Texas. 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:27.799 That is one of the bigger things that the Cowboys 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:29.720 were trying to work on as far as retaining in 0:02:29.880 --> 0:02:32.640 house free agents. Now they can turn their attention to 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:35.079 trying to finalize something on late In Vanderesh, which is 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:37.400 another guy they've been working on for the past several days. 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:40.840 But it cannot be overstated how important it is to 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:43.960 keep Donovan Wilson in this build. And Lee Tackler came 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:46.720 into his own really in year two but had some injury, 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:49.560 the peck shoulder injury that kind of slowed him in 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:52.840 year three, and his second version of breakout of his 0:02:52.919 --> 0:02:55.320 breakout season, which was year four in twenty twenty two, 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:58.200 he just took it to another level. And I think 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:01.280 at some point last season I finally used the word 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:03.880 elite and I could not be more proud of this 0:03:03.919 --> 0:03:06.360 young man. I have been. I am on record if 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:08.040 you follow me on Twitter at Voice of the Star, 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:11.600 you know, from the moment the Cowboys selected Donovan Wilson 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:15.560 in the sixth round in twenty sixty, I said that 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:19.160 he was going to be the next elite safety for 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:22.399 Dallas if they allowed him to develop. And they did. 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:25.440 And you're talking about a guy who also did it 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:29.960 over the course of multiple defensive coordinators and multiple defensive assistance. 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:33.760 Rather it be Chris Richard slash Rod Marinelli. He went 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:36.480 through the Mike Nolan stage and then now he's with 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:39.120 dan Quinn and he's just he's prospering. So kudos to 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:41.560 the Cowboys for getting it done, Kudos to Donovan Wilson 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:45.440 for showing the potential. And he's not done. I don't 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:47.320 believe he's done it all. As far as between the lines, 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:49.640 I think he still has a couple more gears to show. 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:52.400 What do you think about the signing and just how 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:55.240 big of an impact he has had because he brings 0:03:55.240 --> 0:03:57.480 an element to this offense. All right, excuse me to 0:03:57.520 --> 0:04:03.120 this defense that the defense has seen in decades. I 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:05.200 mean a safety that's going to come downhill and hit 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:07.240 the way that he does as a heat seeking missile. 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:10.800 You haven't had that on the Cowboys defense in time. No. 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:14.200 I love his versatility. I think he was a necessity 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:16.719 in terms of obviously this is one of their first moves. 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:19.360 He was a necessity in terms of bringing him back 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:22.200 as a cornerstone. We like to use that term around 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:25.040 these parts. A cornerstone part of this defense and dan 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:29.080 quinn system. The versatility that he presents, the tenacity that 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:33.600 he presents, the intensity the motor all those things, right, 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:37.080 are really indicative of who he is as a person 0:04:37.120 --> 0:04:40.120 and as a player, and that is what you want 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:42.640 the character and the identity of this defense to be. 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:47.000 He is the model citizen of that. You know, he's 0:04:47.040 --> 0:04:48.840 the mannequin in the window when you walk past the 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:52.520 Nike store. You know, he's that guy for them. Regardless 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:54.040 of his size. He's not the biggest man in the 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:56.200 real but he plays like it and that's what matters most. 0:04:56.440 --> 0:04:59.440 And I think that the fact that he not only 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:03.520 brings that that ferociousness to the defense, but also the 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:08.440 versatility that he provides dan Quinn in terms of the 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:11.120 various looks as we know dan Quinn makes running these 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:13.800 three safety sets and things of that nature. It's huge 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:16.119 for this defense. So check one offer the good guys 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:19.080 they were able to retain. Now turn your head to 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:20.599 other guys and see what the next move is and 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:22.600 real quick, because I'm so excited about Donald I said 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:28.720 twenty sixteen, twenty nineteen. But the Jaguar is staying here. 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:30.760 And for those that don't know, that's what Michael Parsons 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:34.400 calls Donovan Wilson the Jaguar, and over the course of 0:05:34.440 --> 0:05:38.080 the season last season, speaking with Donovan Wilson on several occasions, 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:40.920 speaking with Mike McCarthy, speaking with Dan Quinn, just anyone 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:45.160 that I could speak to about Donovan, and with Donovan, 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:49.479 I could not have received higher praise about Donovan Wilson. 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:53.039 But more importantly, not just because of what he's doing 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:56.640 on the field. He's the consummate pro off of the field, 0:05:56.920 --> 0:05:59.880 no red flags off the field, no issues outside of 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:03.479 building and in the locker room. Just he's kind of 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:06.520 the silent leader. Right If you'll ever walk into the 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:09.880 Cowboys locker room and you see Donovan Wilson, he's real silent, 0:06:10.040 --> 0:06:12.719 he's real quiet, kind of goes about his business. He 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:14.640 has a great error about himself, like you can tell 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:18.200 he has that good air. But he's not the talkative guy. 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:19.760 He's not the guy that's going to say a lot 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:22.760 of words to try to motivate. He motivates with limited 0:06:22.800 --> 0:06:25.240 words and a lot of action. And you could see 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:28.240 it Rubbie nolf on other safeties like Marquise Bell who 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:29.840 came into the league last year, and some of these 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:32.240 other guys, juan Ya Thomas on the practice squad. So 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:35.080 this is the kind of guy not just as a player, 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:38.640 but as a person that you want to make, like 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:42.640 Asaia said, a cornerstone of your defense. So could not 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:45.280 be more proud for both he and the Cowboys. So 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:48.680 last year, whenever free agency happened, there was a bit 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:51.720 of a whirlwind, and the Cowboys of course moved on 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:55.839 from multiple players. They had already traded Amari Cooper, so 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:57.800 that wasn't necessarily in the fold, but they had to 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:01.279 resign multiple players on both side of the football. And 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:03.200 we'll get to some of the other reports here in 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:05.400 just a little bit, but there was a list that 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:09.200 the Cowboys needed to get two of three of these 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:12.440 names taken care of. On the offensive side of the football, 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:16.080 the list last year was Gallop, Cedric Wilson, Noah Brown. 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:18.120 Those are the three. They were all receivers. It just 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:20.840 happened to work out that way. They retained two of those, 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:24.040 Michael Gallop, Noah Brown. On the defensive side of the football, 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:28.120 it was Randy Gregory, Doran's Armstrong, Layton Vanderesh. They retained 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:31.440 two of those guys and Doran's Armstrong Laton Vanderesh, each 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:33.880 of which having a great year. If we had to 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:38.120 make an offensive list of three names and a defensive 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:40.280 list of three names that you think the Cowboys have 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:44.280 to resign. What would those lists look like. Would Donovan 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:47.120 Wilson be on the defensive list? I think absolutely tops 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:50.760 the defensive list. Lv's probably on that list too. So 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:53.920 there's two of our three names defensively. Who are some 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:56.119 of the other free agent names patrick that you feel 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:59.880 like maybe is on that list? I'm gonna write it. 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:03.720 I'm gonna go with I'm gonna go with Jonathan Hankins. Okay, 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:06.000 I'm gonna go with Jonathan Hankins, and I know that, 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:09.560 and there's value in a guy like Dante Fowler, and 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:12.600 that's one as well, because I'm split between I could 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:15.160 go with either Dante Follower or Jonathan Hankins. I would 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:18.000 love to have both. But if you're asking just three 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:20.800 and I just gave you two, Donovan Wilson lve that 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:23.160 holds me to a third. I'm going to lean more 0:08:23.200 --> 0:08:26.800 towards Jonathan Hankins because while I know that Dante Fowler 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:28.560 has a lot of value on what he can provide. 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:30.720 I mean, he didn't miss a single game last season, 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:35.440 and he was great rotationally applying pressure, disrupting, getting sacks. 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:37.360 But I would also like to see more of Sam 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:39.840 Williams as well. I think the Cowboys and dan Quinn 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:42.720 can work that out. But I know for a fact 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:45.559 also that the Cowboys run defense cannot afford to take 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:47.680 a step back. If anything, it still needs to upgrade 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:51.000 just a bit. And in saying that, you can't allow, 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:54.160 in my opinion, a guy like Hankins out of the building. 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:57.559 You sent a pick to the Las Vegas Raiders last 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:00.600 season to get him in. You saw immediately happened when 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:03.360 you plopped that big body into that into that nose 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:07.040 tackle position. That interior defense became very difficult to run 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:09.040 against in the A and B gaps. You saw what 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:11.319 happened when Hankins had a little bit of an injury 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:14.240 late in December and he was absent, the run defense 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:16.840 kind of took a step back. I think Jonathan Hankins 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:20.120 can be retained on a fairly reasonable deal. I think 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:22.199 he likes it here with dan Quinn, I think that 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:25.000 that's that's who I would aim for saying that's my 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:27.480 three if I have to say one, two, three, Donovan 0:09:27.600 --> 0:09:30.560 LV and Jonathan Hankins, a couple other defensive names just 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:32.760 to kind of make it a list here. Anthony Brown's 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:39.360 also all possibility. Anthony Barrum going from there. Up, Carlos Watkins. 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:42.800 That's an under undervalued guy right there. That's pretty much it. 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:47.000 And Louke Gifford. And Gifford of course, he's gone reportedly 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:49.000 with the Titans on a two year deal. I believe 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:52.960 two years four million him for him, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:55.080 he was a course speci actually, I think it's five 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:58.800 million total. Course special team with the Cowboys. Started to 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:01.960 show some defensive legs um when the Cowboys needed some 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:05.120 linebacker help. Lost Lve for a few games last season, 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:07.679 Damon Clark was still trying to come into his own. 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:10.640 Anthony barr had that hamstring injury that cost him multiple games. 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:12.720 Louke Gifford became one of those guys that put some 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:14.720 stuff on film and it worked out for him in 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:16.920 this free agency. So shouts out to Louke Gifford, this 0:10:17.000 --> 0:10:19.120 big shout out. That's awesome, man. I think the only 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:21.640 other name on there I said that you could possibly 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:23.839 put on the list of three with Layton Vanderesh and 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:28.640 Donovan Wilson is probably Anthony Brown, right, Yeah, ab abe'sn't 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:30.880 there with me, So I'm going to in term of 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:33.480 guys that you have to bring back, I'm saying Vanderesh, 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:36.720 I'm gonna say Hankins, and I'm gonna go Anthony Brown. 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:39.679 So you go with Hankins as well. Yes, okay, unless 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:41.839 you're I mean, unless you're planning Hankins, I mean, unless 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:44.080 you're planning on going to get the big Gargantua and 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:48.080 that just got released, um from Baltimore. I mean yeah. So, 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:51.160 I mean that's I mean, that's way more true. And 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:53.600 I would love to see what Callias has as far 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:55.959 as kicking the tires exact too, but I know what 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:59.760 Hankins has. Yeah, so sure I wouldn't try trade that 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:02.120 on a tire. Yeah, traded that off. Yeah, of course. 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:06.240 So your list would be Hankins Brown And you said 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:10.280 LV So Wilson wasn't on your top three list. Oh, 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:12.000 I mean, well he's gone. He's here now. Oh. I know. 0:11:12.080 --> 0:11:14.400 I'm trying to check the boxes. I'm trying I'm trying 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:16.680 to see play along guys. We're trying to we're trying 0:11:16.679 --> 0:11:18.400 to see what they're doing on the other side. I'm 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:21.920 past that already. I'm sorry. He's like yeah, in the book. So, 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:23.600 I mean If that's the case, then I'm gonna go 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:28.880 Donal I'm gonna go Donal Ab and Hankins. Okay, I 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:32.160 think I'm with you. Yeah, I think I'm I would 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:37.079 say LV Wilson and Hankins mostly because I mean, I'm 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:39.040 looking at this draft class too, and this is a 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:41.880 really good class of corners. I think there's multiple cornerbacks 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:44.080 in the first three rounds that will start next year 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:46.600 that are going to be available for the Cowboys. Yeah, 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:50.040 and you had the emergence of a guy like yeah, 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:53.160 Dron Bland that came in and played well. I agree. 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:55.200 I just think that I mean, obviously you're hoping that 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:57.520 he comes back healthy, you know, and able to still 0:11:57.520 --> 0:11:59.320 do the things he was able to do prior to injury. 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:02.520 So I mean, I think that you have to obviously 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:05.800 caution and see where he's add in that rehabilitation phase. 0:12:05.880 --> 0:12:07.920 But in terms of trusting the training staff, if they 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:09.520 say that he's going to be a goal I think 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:11.160 he's a guy that you have to bring back. I 0:12:11.160 --> 0:12:13.880 think it's too hard in this league to find good corners, 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:16.800 and it's it's a toss up. I mean, there there 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:18.200 might be a lot of talent out there. But the 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:20.840 reality is a lot of corners don't stick. So he 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:22.560 is one guy that is stuck. He's showing you what 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:25.160 he's capable of doing. He's tenacious, he's a little pest, 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:28.000 and he's what you need on this defense side of 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:31.760 the ball. You look at somebody big Hankins. You saw 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:33.480 to your point, you saw what he did when he 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:35.560 came in. As long as he's healthy, he had a 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:37.680 huge impact there. Um. He's a big body. But you 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:40.200 know a big body forward that um that you have 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:42.120 to have on the front line. And you like to 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:45.320 obviously add an additional piece there so that you have 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:48.080 a rotational guy. Um, so you're not just solely dependent 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:50.280 on him and his health. UM. But I think he's 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:51.840 one guy you have to bring back. And then in 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:55.199 terms of it at the second level, obviously bars out there, 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:58.040 vander esh is there. I think that those are two 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:02.840 guys that are not sarily dominant, that are possibly their 0:13:02.840 --> 0:13:06.800 production is possibly replaceable. We all obviously know both of 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:09.120 those guys are sure tacklers, but they're neither one of 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:11.160 them are the most mobile guys in the world. So 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:14.280 you other ask Dan Quinn, what is your defense at 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:15.880 the second level. What are you trying to have that 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:18.960 look like you want big box guys that really just 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:20.959 come downhill and can make sure they get a tackle, 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:23.160 or you want some guys that have some range. That's 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:26.240 where it really start figuring out what that second level 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:31.160 linebacker position looks like. Yeah, I agree, I can't state enough. 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:35.720 And I've defended and we have defended Layton Vanderish against 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:41.080 just some unjustifiable criticism, and I understand some of the justifier. 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:43.880 I was going to say, I understand that the injury concerns, Now, 0:13:43.880 --> 0:13:47.360 that's justifiable injury concerns going into twenty twenty three, twenty 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:49.480 twenty two, I should say, but there was a certain 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:53.080 event horizon that was crossed at some point I'd say 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:56.160 prior to mid season where it's like, okay, his level 0:13:56.200 --> 0:13:59.760 of play, it's most certainly reminiscent of what he did 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:02.000 as a rookie with the Cowboys. So then the only 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:04.920 concern was can he continue to do that from a 0:14:05.000 --> 0:14:09.760 durability standpoint. The pinched nerve in his shoulder notwithstanding, which 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:13.160 didn't cost him, you know, six seven games, and the 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:15.679 Cowboys if it was a situation where they were in 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:17.480 the playoffs, he would have played through that. They were 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:20.600 basically being you know, cautious and deliberate and arresting him 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:22.400 in late December to make sure that he was available 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:25.800 for the playoffs. But I'm I'm on a limb saying 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:29.240 that pinched nerve in his shoulder. I'm not going to 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:32.280 put that toward any type of durability issue. For the 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:34.680 most part, he had a great season. Production wise, he 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:42.000 had a fantastic season. I don't see how you replace 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:47.240 Elvee unless you're going after the guy that lives in 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:52.160 Los Angeles. That I would be completely fine with. And 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:55.000 obviously that's no knock to LV, because I just spent 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:59.520 you know, twenty seven seconds praising the guy. But objectively speaking, 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:03.480 I don't think anyone would say they would if you 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:06.080 had a shot at the guy that lives in Los 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:09.560 Angeles and in taking that shot might cost you LV. 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:13.760 I'm fine with taking that shot. But if you can't 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:16.760 land that guy in Los Angeles and you lose out 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:20.120 on LV, your linebacker corpse is in. It is in. Yeah, 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:22.280 it's a problem. Yeah, you're O for two in that regard. 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:25.520 I'm actually kind of shocked to hear you say that 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:29.280 specifically because you talk about tread on the tires. Give 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:32.800 me LV all day, even with the injury passed. Give 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:36.200 me LVE in that in that scenario all day. Now, 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:38.440 if they don't get l V and they want to 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:41.040 go try and sign him, I'm all for it, but 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:44.120 I would rather have fifty five here here. As far 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:49.040 as Trede goes, you're absolutely correct. But let's let's contextualize 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:51.240 it for a second. If you look at the season 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:54.040 that the guy in Los Angeles is coming off of, 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:58.840 so he has less trid than l agewise number of 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:01.840 reps in the league, but he's still performing at a 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:06.120 very high level. So that balances out for me and 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:09.440 falls on the side of me being able to say 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:12.680 that is an upgrade. Now, it's definitely an upgrade for 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:15.600 twenty three and maybe even twenty four. Now, beyond twenty four, 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:19.240 you probably start leaning more towards LVE because youth comes 0:16:19.240 --> 0:16:20.920 into play and then you're going to get more years 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:24.000 out of LV. So yeah, you'll cross that event horizon eventually. 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:27.360 But if we're talking about right now, right now, the 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:33.600 guy in LA is probably one of only two outside linebackers. 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:35.960 When I say outside linebackers, I mean linebackers outside of 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:37.960 the building that I would be comfortable and saying, you know, 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:40.120 I'm willing to lose LV for this guy, but if 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:43.360 you can't get that particular guy, then you gotta give 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:45.240 you gotta give me LV, you gotta give me LV. 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:47.200 I mean, you just lost some depth in Luke Gifford. 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:49.760 And I know those are two entirely different things. But 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:52.600 if you lose LVE, you lose Luke Gifford. We're all 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:54.640 in on Deman Clark. Everyone on this panel is all 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:57.080 in on Damon Clark. But Anthony Barr still a free agent, 0:16:57.400 --> 0:16:59.440 so you don't know what you're getting from jibreel Cox 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:02.720 Just yeah, uh, you got guys like Devin Harper, you're 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:05.040 trying to develop on the practice squad, Malik Jefferson, you're 0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:07.800 trying to bring up on the practice squad, but without 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:10.120 l V and without that guy in LA or something 0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:14.639 similar your linebacker corps and shambles agreed. Yeah, and on 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:16.119 the same page. I'm on the same bag. I mean, 0:17:16.680 --> 0:17:17.840 you know who, you know what, that's you know what, 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:19.680 that's your guy. Yeah, that's my guy. So I mean 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:22.280 LA that we're talking about, Yeah, the guy that lives 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:24.280 in Los Angeles. We can't say names for those of 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:26.680 you wondering. So that's why I worked. But I mean, 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:30.760 so obviously I like him. There's two LA teams. Yeah, yeah, 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:35.520 obviously I like him. Obviously, he um, he's he's feared 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:37.560 in the league. I think at what he does, I 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:40.639 just worry. I mean, he's thirty two, I get it, 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:42.399 I get it, but about to be thirty three. So 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:45.360 much the season he had a great year, don't work. 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:50.080 So that tells me this, there's a great season eleven 0:17:50.200 --> 0:17:52.639 hundred snaps regardless of who's playing at the second level. 0:17:52.720 --> 0:17:56.600 For what else, Cowboys, regardless, you have to retain Hankins, 0:17:57.080 --> 0:17:59.199 and you have to add somebody, and you have to 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:01.520 add another guy, because no matter who you put it, 0:18:01.600 --> 0:18:03.399 the second level guarantee. What we saw a couple of 0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:05.720 years ago was what if you don't have guys up front, 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:08.439 they're gonna get to the second level. Yeah, and it 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:10.240 doesn't matter who you have at the second level, they're 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:12.600 gonna get Molly WAPs. Okay, so you need some big 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:15.439 boys up front to prevent those linemen from getting up 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:17.560 to your second level. Guys, all the people that we're 0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:19.600 talking about are fully capable of coming down him and 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:23.000 making tackles, no question. Yeah, So are we in agreeance 0:18:23.080 --> 0:18:25.639 our defensive list? Our three names you gotta retain. At 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:30.119 least two of these names is Lvee Wilson's Hankins. But 0:18:30.320 --> 0:18:32.760 lv is interchangeable with a linebacker that's not on the 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:36.080 open market, good one in particular. 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