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Speaker 1: So we're gonna lead with this. First of all, this
Speaker 1: is one of the best what would Rob do moments?
Speaker 1: Because News and Notes leads with the Cowboys have reportedly
Speaker 1: agreed to terms with impact veteran safety Donovan Wilson. Again,
Speaker 1: this is per multiple report. Still working to confirm this upstairs,
Speaker 1: but it looks as if Donovan Wilson has been secured
Speaker 1: and has secured his bag on a three year deal
Speaker 1: reportedly worth upwards of twenty four million dollars. So a
Speaker 1: key piece of dan Quinn's defense remains in North Texas.
Speaker 1: That is one of the bigger things that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: were trying to work on as far as retaining in
Speaker 1: house free agents. Now they can turn their attention to
Speaker 1: trying to finalize something on late In Vanderesh, which is
Speaker 1: another guy they've been working on for the past several days.
Speaker 1: But it cannot be overstated how important it is to
Speaker 1: keep Donovan Wilson in this build. And Lee Tackler came
Speaker 1: into his own really in year two but had some injury,
Speaker 1: the peck shoulder injury that kind of slowed him in
Speaker 1: year three, and his second version of breakout of his
Speaker 1: breakout season, which was year four in twenty twenty two,
Speaker 1: he just took it to another level. And I think
Speaker 1: at some point last season I finally used the word
Speaker 1: elite and I could not be more proud of this
Speaker 1: young man. I have been. I am on record if
Speaker 1: you follow me on Twitter at Voice of the Star,
Speaker 1: you know, from the moment the Cowboys selected Donovan Wilson
Speaker 1: in the sixth round in twenty sixty, I said that
Speaker 1: he was going to be the next elite safety for
Speaker 1: Dallas if they allowed him to develop. And they did.
Speaker 1: And you're talking about a guy who also did it
Speaker 1: over the course of multiple defensive coordinators and multiple defensive assistance.
Speaker 1: Rather it be Chris Richard slash Rod Marinelli. He went
Speaker 1: through the Mike Nolan stage and then now he's with
Speaker 1: dan Quinn and he's just he's prospering. So kudos to
Speaker 1: the Cowboys for getting it done, Kudos to Donovan Wilson
Speaker 1: for showing the potential. And he's not done. I don't
Speaker 1: believe he's done it all. As far as between the lines,
Speaker 1: I think he still has a couple more gears to show.
Speaker 1: What do you think about the signing and just how
Speaker 1: big of an impact he has had because he brings
Speaker 1: an element to this offense. All right, excuse me to
Speaker 1: this defense that the defense has seen in decades. I
Speaker 1: mean a safety that's going to come downhill and hit
Speaker 1: the way that he does as a heat seeking missile.
Speaker 1: You haven't had that on the Cowboys defense in time. No.
Speaker 1: I love his versatility. I think he was a necessity
Speaker 1: in terms of obviously this is one of their first moves.
Speaker 1: He was a necessity in terms of bringing him back
Speaker 1: as a cornerstone. We like to use that term around
Speaker 1: these parts. A cornerstone part of this defense and dan
Speaker 1: quinn system. The versatility that he presents, the tenacity that
Speaker 1: he presents, the intensity the motor all those things, right,
Speaker 1: are really indicative of who he is as a person
Speaker 1: and as a player, and that is what you want
Speaker 1: the character and the identity of this defense to be.
Speaker 1: He is the model citizen of that. You know, he's
Speaker 1: the mannequin in the window when you walk past the
Speaker 1: Nike store. You know, he's that guy for them. Regardless
Speaker 1: of his size. He's not the biggest man in the
Speaker 1: real but he plays like it and that's what matters most.
Speaker 1: And I think that the fact that he not only
Speaker 1: brings that that ferociousness to the defense, but also the
Speaker 1: versatility that he provides dan Quinn in terms of the
Speaker 1: various looks as we know dan Quinn makes running these
Speaker 1: three safety sets and things of that nature. It's huge
Speaker 1: for this defense. So check one offer the good guys
Speaker 1: they were able to retain. Now turn your head to
Speaker 1: other guys and see what the next move is and
Speaker 1: real quick, because I'm so excited about Donald I said
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, twenty nineteen. But the Jaguar is staying here.
Speaker 1: And for those that don't know, that's what Michael Parsons
Speaker 1: calls Donovan Wilson the Jaguar, and over the course of
Speaker 1: the season last season, speaking with Donovan Wilson on several occasions,
Speaker 1: speaking with Mike McCarthy, speaking with Dan Quinn, just anyone
Speaker 1: that I could speak to about Donovan, and with Donovan,
Speaker 1: I could not have received higher praise about Donovan Wilson.
Speaker 1: But more importantly, not just because of what he's doing
Speaker 1: on the field. He's the consummate pro off of the field,
Speaker 1: no red flags off the field, no issues outside of
Speaker 1: building and in the locker room. Just he's kind of
Speaker 1: the silent leader. Right If you'll ever walk into the
Speaker 1: Cowboys locker room and you see Donovan Wilson, he's real silent,
Speaker 1: he's real quiet, kind of goes about his business. He
Speaker 1: has a great error about himself, like you can tell
Speaker 1: he has that good air. But he's not the talkative guy.
Speaker 1: He's not the guy that's going to say a lot
Speaker 1: of words to try to motivate. He motivates with limited
Speaker 1: words and a lot of action. And you could see
Speaker 1: it Rubbie nolf on other safeties like Marquise Bell who
Speaker 1: came into the league last year, and some of these
Speaker 1: other guys, juan Ya Thomas on the practice squad. So
Speaker 1: this is the kind of guy not just as a player,
Speaker 1: but as a person that you want to make, like
Speaker 1: Asaia said, a cornerstone of your defense. So could not
Speaker 1: be more proud for both he and the Cowboys. So
Speaker 1: last year, whenever free agency happened, there was a bit
Speaker 1: of a whirlwind, and the Cowboys of course moved on
Speaker 1: from multiple players. They had already traded Amari Cooper, so
Speaker 1: that wasn't necessarily in the fold, but they had to
Speaker 1: resign multiple players on both side of the football. And
Speaker 1: we'll get to some of the other reports here in
Speaker 1: just a little bit, but there was a list that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys needed to get two of three of these
Speaker 1: names taken care of. On the offensive side of the football,
Speaker 1: the list last year was Gallop, Cedric Wilson, Noah Brown.
Speaker 1: Those are the three. They were all receivers. It just
Speaker 1: happened to work out that way. They retained two of those,
Speaker 1: Michael Gallop, Noah Brown. On the defensive side of the football,
Speaker 1: it was Randy Gregory, Doran's Armstrong, Layton Vanderesh. They retained
Speaker 1: two of those guys and Doran's Armstrong Laton Vanderesh, each
Speaker 1: of which having a great year. If we had to
Speaker 1: make an offensive list of three names and a defensive
Speaker 1: list of three names that you think the Cowboys have
Speaker 1: to resign. What would those lists look like. Would Donovan
Speaker 1: Wilson be on the defensive list? I think absolutely tops
Speaker 1: the defensive list. Lv's probably on that list too. So
Speaker 1: there's two of our three names defensively. Who are some
Speaker 1: of the other free agent names patrick that you feel
Speaker 1: like maybe is on that list? I'm gonna write it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with I'm gonna go with Jonathan Hankins. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Jonathan Hankins, and I know that,
Speaker 1: and there's value in a guy like Dante Fowler, and
Speaker 1: that's one as well, because I'm split between I could
Speaker 1: go with either Dante Follower or Jonathan Hankins. I would
Speaker 1: love to have both. But if you're asking just three
Speaker 1: and I just gave you two, Donovan Wilson lve that
Speaker 1: holds me to a third. I'm going to lean more
Speaker 1: towards Jonathan Hankins because while I know that Dante Fowler
Speaker 1: has a lot of value on what he can provide.
Speaker 1: I mean, he didn't miss a single game last season,
Speaker 1: and he was great rotationally applying pressure, disrupting, getting sacks.
Speaker 1: But I would also like to see more of Sam
Speaker 1: Williams as well. I think the Cowboys and dan Quinn
Speaker 1: can work that out. But I know for a fact
Speaker 1: also that the Cowboys run defense cannot afford to take
Speaker 1: a step back. If anything, it still needs to upgrade
Speaker 1: just a bit. And in saying that, you can't allow,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, a guy like Hankins out of the building.
Speaker 1: You sent a pick to the Las Vegas Raiders last
Speaker 1: season to get him in. You saw immediately happened when
Speaker 1: you plopped that big body into that into that nose
Speaker 1: tackle position. That interior defense became very difficult to run
Speaker 1: against in the A and B gaps. You saw what
Speaker 1: happened when Hankins had a little bit of an injury
Speaker 1: late in December and he was absent, the run defense
Speaker 1: kind of took a step back. I think Jonathan Hankins
Speaker 1: can be retained on a fairly reasonable deal. I think
Speaker 1: he likes it here with dan Quinn, I think that
Speaker 1: that's that's who I would aim for saying that's my
Speaker 1: three if I have to say one, two, three, Donovan
Speaker 1: LV and Jonathan Hankins, a couple other defensive names just
Speaker 1: to kind of make it a list here. Anthony Brown's
Speaker 1: also all possibility. Anthony Barrum going from there. Up, Carlos Watkins.
Speaker 1: That's an under undervalued guy right there. That's pretty much it.
Speaker 1: And Louke Gifford. And Gifford of course, he's gone reportedly
Speaker 1: with the Titans on a two year deal. I believe
Speaker 1: two years four million him for him, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he was a course speci actually, I think it's five
Speaker 1: million total. Course special team with the Cowboys. Started to
Speaker 1: show some defensive legs um when the Cowboys needed some
Speaker 1: linebacker help. Lost Lve for a few games last season,
Speaker 1: Damon Clark was still trying to come into his own.
Speaker 1: Anthony barr had that hamstring injury that cost him multiple games.
Speaker 1: Louke Gifford became one of those guys that put some
Speaker 1: stuff on film and it worked out for him in
Speaker 1: this free agency. So shouts out to Louke Gifford, this
Speaker 1: big shout out. That's awesome, man. I think the only
Speaker 1: other name on there I said that you could possibly
Speaker 1: put on the list of three with Layton Vanderesh and
Speaker 1: Donovan Wilson is probably Anthony Brown, right, Yeah, ab abe'sn't
Speaker 1: there with me, So I'm going to in term of
Speaker 1: guys that you have to bring back, I'm saying Vanderesh,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say Hankins, and I'm gonna go Anthony Brown.
Speaker 1: So you go with Hankins as well. Yes, okay, unless
Speaker 1: you're I mean, unless you're planning Hankins, I mean, unless
Speaker 1: you're planning on going to get the big Gargantua and
Speaker 1: that just got released, um from Baltimore. I mean yeah. So,
Speaker 1: I mean that's I mean, that's way more true. And
Speaker 1: I would love to see what Callias has as far
Speaker 1: as kicking the tires exact too, but I know what
Speaker 1: Hankins has. Yeah, so sure I wouldn't try trade that
Speaker 1: on a tire. Yeah, traded that off. Yeah, of course.
Speaker 1: So your list would be Hankins Brown And you said
Speaker 1: LV So Wilson wasn't on your top three list. Oh,
Speaker 1: I mean, well he's gone. He's here now. Oh. I know.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to check the boxes. I'm trying I'm trying
Speaker 1: to see play along guys. We're trying to we're trying
Speaker 1: to see what they're doing on the other side. I'm
Speaker 1: past that already. I'm sorry. He's like yeah, in the book. So,
Speaker 1: I mean If that's the case, then I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: Donal I'm gonna go Donal Ab and Hankins. Okay, I
Speaker 1: think I'm with you. Yeah, I think I'm I would
Speaker 1: say LV Wilson and Hankins mostly because I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: looking at this draft class too, and this is a
Speaker 1: really good class of corners. I think there's multiple cornerbacks
Speaker 1: in the first three rounds that will start next year
Speaker 1: that are going to be available for the Cowboys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you had the emergence of a guy like yeah,
Speaker 1: Dron Bland that came in and played well. I agree.
Speaker 1: I just think that I mean, obviously you're hoping that
Speaker 1: he comes back healthy, you know, and able to still
Speaker 1: do the things he was able to do prior to injury.
Speaker 1: So I mean, I think that you have to obviously
Speaker 1: caution and see where he's add in that rehabilitation phase.
Speaker 1: But in terms of trusting the training staff, if they
Speaker 1: say that he's going to be a goal I think
Speaker 1: he's a guy that you have to bring back. I
Speaker 1: think it's too hard in this league to find good corners,
Speaker 1: and it's it's a toss up. I mean, there there
Speaker 1: might be a lot of talent out there. But the
Speaker 1: reality is a lot of corners don't stick. So he
Speaker 1: is one guy that is stuck. He's showing you what
Speaker 1: he's capable of doing. He's tenacious, he's a little pest,
Speaker 1: and he's what you need on this defense side of
Speaker 1: the ball. You look at somebody big Hankins. You saw
Speaker 1: to your point, you saw what he did when he
Speaker 1: came in. As long as he's healthy, he had a
Speaker 1: huge impact there. Um. He's a big body. But you
Speaker 1: know a big body forward that um that you have
Speaker 1: to have on the front line. And you like to
Speaker 1: obviously add an additional piece there so that you have
Speaker 1: a rotational guy. Um, so you're not just solely dependent
Speaker 1: on him and his health. UM. But I think he's
Speaker 1: one guy you have to bring back. And then in
Speaker 1: terms of it at the second level, obviously bars out there,
Speaker 1: vander esh is there. I think that those are two
Speaker 1: guys that are not sarily dominant, that are possibly their
Speaker 1: production is possibly replaceable. We all obviously know both of
Speaker 1: those guys are sure tacklers, but they're neither one of
Speaker 1: them are the most mobile guys in the world. So
Speaker 1: you other ask Dan Quinn, what is your defense at
Speaker 1: the second level. What are you trying to have that
Speaker 1: look like you want big box guys that really just
Speaker 1: come downhill and can make sure they get a tackle,
Speaker 1: or you want some guys that have some range. That's
Speaker 1: where it really start figuring out what that second level
Speaker 1: linebacker position looks like. Yeah, I agree, I can't state enough.
Speaker 1: And I've defended and we have defended Layton Vanderish against
Speaker 1: just some unjustifiable criticism, and I understand some of the justifier.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, I understand that the injury concerns, Now,
Speaker 1: that's justifiable injury concerns going into twenty twenty three, twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two, I should say, but there was a certain
Speaker 1: event horizon that was crossed at some point I'd say
Speaker 1: prior to mid season where it's like, okay, his level
Speaker 1: of play, it's most certainly reminiscent of what he did
Speaker 1: as a rookie with the Cowboys. So then the only
Speaker 1: concern was can he continue to do that from a
Speaker 1: durability standpoint. The pinched nerve in his shoulder notwithstanding, which
Speaker 1: didn't cost him, you know, six seven games, and the
Speaker 1: Cowboys if it was a situation where they were in
Speaker 1: the playoffs, he would have played through that. They were
Speaker 1: basically being you know, cautious and deliberate and arresting him
Speaker 1: in late December to make sure that he was available
Speaker 1: for the playoffs. But I'm I'm on a limb saying
Speaker 1: that pinched nerve in his shoulder. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: put that toward any type of durability issue. For the
Speaker 1: most part, he had a great season. Production wise, he
Speaker 1: had a fantastic season. I don't see how you replace
Speaker 1: Elvee unless you're going after the guy that lives in
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. That I would be completely fine with. And
Speaker 1: obviously that's no knock to LV, because I just spent
Speaker 1: you know, twenty seven seconds praising the guy. But objectively speaking,
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone would say they would if you
Speaker 1: had a shot at the guy that lives in Los
Speaker 1: Angeles and in taking that shot might cost you LV.
Speaker 1: I'm fine with taking that shot. But if you can't
Speaker 1: land that guy in Los Angeles and you lose out
Speaker 1: on LV, your linebacker corpse is in. It is in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a problem. Yeah, you're O for two in that regard.
Speaker 1: I'm actually kind of shocked to hear you say that
Speaker 1: specifically because you talk about tread on the tires. Give
Speaker 1: me LV all day, even with the injury passed. Give
Speaker 1: me LVE in that in that scenario all day. Now,
Speaker 1: if they don't get l V and they want to
Speaker 1: go try and sign him, I'm all for it, but
Speaker 1: I would rather have fifty five here here. As far
Speaker 1: as Trede goes, you're absolutely correct. But let's let's contextualize
Speaker 1: it for a second. If you look at the season
Speaker 1: that the guy in Los Angeles is coming off of,
Speaker 1: so he has less trid than l agewise number of
Speaker 1: reps in the league, but he's still performing at a
Speaker 1: very high level. So that balances out for me and
Speaker 1: falls on the side of me being able to say
Speaker 1: that is an upgrade. Now, it's definitely an upgrade for
Speaker 1: twenty three and maybe even twenty four. Now, beyond twenty four,
Speaker 1: you probably start leaning more towards LVE because youth comes
Speaker 1: into play and then you're going to get more years
Speaker 1: out of LV. So yeah, you'll cross that event horizon eventually.
Speaker 1: But if we're talking about right now, right now, the
Speaker 1: guy in LA is probably one of only two outside linebackers.
Speaker 1: When I say outside linebackers, I mean linebackers outside of
Speaker 1: the building that I would be comfortable and saying, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm willing to lose LV for this guy, but if
Speaker 1: you can't get that particular guy, then you gotta give
Speaker 1: you gotta give me LV, you gotta give me LV.
Speaker 1: I mean, you just lost some depth in Luke Gifford.
Speaker 1: And I know those are two entirely different things. But
Speaker 1: if you lose LVE, you lose Luke Gifford. We're all
Speaker 1: in on Deman Clark. Everyone on this panel is all
Speaker 1: in on Damon Clark. But Anthony Barr still a free agent,
Speaker 1: so you don't know what you're getting from jibreel Cox
Speaker 1: Just yeah, uh, you got guys like Devin Harper, you're
Speaker 1: trying to develop on the practice squad, Malik Jefferson, you're
Speaker 1: trying to bring up on the practice squad, but without
Speaker 1: l V and without that guy in LA or something
Speaker 1: similar your linebacker corps and shambles agreed. Yeah, and on
Speaker 1: the same page. I'm on the same bag. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know who, you know what, that's you know what,
Speaker 1: that's your guy. Yeah, that's my guy. So I mean
Speaker 1: LA that we're talking about, Yeah, the guy that lives
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles. We can't say names for those of
Speaker 1: you wondering. So that's why I worked. But I mean,
Speaker 1: so obviously I like him. There's two LA teams. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: obviously I like him. Obviously, he um, he's he's feared
Speaker 1: in the league. I think at what he does, I
Speaker 1: just worry. I mean, he's thirty two, I get it,
Speaker 1: I get it, but about to be thirty three. So
Speaker 1: much the season he had a great year, don't work.
Speaker 1: So that tells me this, there's a great season eleven
Speaker 1: hundred snaps regardless of who's playing at the second level.
Speaker 1: For what else, Cowboys, regardless, you have to retain Hankins,
Speaker 1: and you have to add somebody, and you have to
Speaker 1: add another guy, because no matter who you put it,
Speaker 1: the second level guarantee. What we saw a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago was what if you don't have guys up front,
Speaker 1: they're gonna get to the second level. Yeah, and it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter who you have at the second level, they're
Speaker 1: gonna get Molly WAPs. Okay, so you need some big
Speaker 1: boys up front to prevent those linemen from getting up
Speaker 1: to your second level. Guys, all the people that we're
Speaker 1: talking about are fully capable of coming down him and
Speaker 1: making tackles, no question. Yeah, So are we in agreeance
Speaker 1: our defensive list? Our three names you gotta retain. At
Speaker 1: least two of these names is Lvee Wilson's Hankins. But
Speaker 1: lv is interchangeable with a linebacker that's not on the
Speaker 1: open market, good one in particular. So we've got defense
Speaker 1: taken care of. So there's yeah. So we've got defense
Speaker 1: taken care of. When we come back on the other
Speaker 1: side of the break, we're gonna take a look at
Speaker 1: the offensive list. I want to see if we can
Speaker 1: find three names the Cowboys should retain, because one of
Speaker 1: them is already gone. We'll tell you who that is
Speaker 1: and what they could possibly be doing next when we
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Speaker 1: offensive side of the football. We just gave our defensive list.
Speaker 1: We already retained one player, Donovan Wilson coming back to
Speaker 1: the Cowboys reportedly four or three years twenty four million.
Speaker 1: So the other two names that were on the defensive
Speaker 1: list lv and Hankins. Of course, there has been no
Speaker 1: leeway or any report around what they're doing in free agencies.
Speaker 1: So let's turn to the offensive side of the football.
Speaker 1: One name already out on his way to Buffalo three years,
Speaker 1: twenty two point three million dollars. The starting left guard
Speaker 1: for much of the season, Connor McGovern, is on his
Speaker 1: way out there. He earned it, No, he did, he
Speaker 1: absolutely did. And I put out the tweet yesterday I
Speaker 1: think Connor McGovern was undervalued as a Dallas cowboy. He
Speaker 1: was a good, serviceable starting offensive lineman, which is tough
Speaker 1: to come by, and offensive lineman do not grow on trees.
Speaker 1: Good offensive lineman don't grow, especially with his versatility. I
Speaker 1: think it's missed, especially on an offensive line that needed
Speaker 1: versus y these last two years. I think he was
Speaker 1: undervalued as a Dallas cowboy. With that being said, I
Speaker 1: don't think that number would have worked here. Correct three
Speaker 1: years twenty three million will not say what's happening, not
Speaker 1: gonna happen, wasn't happening no now And from mcgoverning looking
Speaker 1: at it from his standpoint, uh, this is his first
Speaker 1: real chance, said, landing a big payday, and he had
Speaker 1: to look in the mirror and ask himself, especially with
Speaker 1: the emergence of Tyler Smith. And you know Tyrn Smith
Speaker 1: likely back. That's still being worked out as far as
Speaker 1: a potential restructure. But if it's if Tyrn Smith returns
Speaker 1: as as as expected he will, then that possibly moves
Speaker 1: Tyler Smith to left guard. And it's just too many
Speaker 1: question marks. If you're Connor mcgoverned and you're sitting there
Speaker 1: assessing your your value when what's out there on the market,
Speaker 1: you resigning in Dallas might make you a fullback, and
Speaker 1: I don't see how that would be enticing to Connor
Speaker 1: mcgoverned coming from a start and left Cord full million down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: to play often of line, probably full time at eleven
Speaker 1: front of Josh Ellen eleven. Of that guaranteed, you can
Speaker 1: pay me twenty four million dollars to be a full back,
Speaker 1: to be a card holder, twenty four million dollars. That's
Speaker 1: what he went. That's what you play your whole career for.
Speaker 1: He learned in a really good spot with great money.
Speaker 1: Great money and a good spot. We think. Think about
Speaker 1: this his entire contract in Dallas, since he was drafted
Speaker 1: in the third round from twenty nineteen till he was
Speaker 1: done and signed yesterday or agreed to sign yesterday. Three
Speaker 1: point six million dollars is what he earned. His guarantee
Speaker 1: at signing for this contract is nine point nine. His
Speaker 1: signing bonus swoop, his signing bonus is eight. That's a
Speaker 1: great deposit. He will double his entire Cowboys career earnings
Speaker 1: deposit straight off the bat. So congratulations to Connor mcgart
Speaker 1: shot out absolutely earned it. He's always and I mean
Speaker 1: peeked behind the curtain. He was always as good as
Speaker 1: they come in the locker room. He was great with us,
Speaker 1: he was great with fans, he was great with the
Speaker 1: coaching staff. He's the guy you liked to try and retain.
Speaker 1: Did not get it. That wasn't gonna happen here. I
Speaker 1: love seeing guys get what they worked their whole lives for,
Speaker 1: and he got it. So let's talk about the other name,
Speaker 1: shall we? There anybody else offensively that's on the list
Speaker 1: of three names. I'm gonna try. We're gonna try and
Speaker 1: find three names. Ye, and you have to keep tool. Okay,
Speaker 1: I got you. I got one. Yeah, t Y Hilton, Wow,
Speaker 1: t Y Hilton. You want him all? I want t
Speaker 1: Y Hilton back? I expected another t No, no, no,
Speaker 1: Well that guy's already there, so I gotta you gotta
Speaker 1: play the game though, Okay, we're playing, just like with
Speaker 1: then you gotta play the game. I don't know how
Speaker 1: to play games. Tony Pollard, Yes, Monopoly, Yeah yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard. Yes, absolutely has to get done. He's obviously
Speaker 1: tagged right now. I tagger. They would like to see
Speaker 1: a deal. I still want to see a deal. They
Speaker 1: want to see a deal. Everybody want to see a deal,
Speaker 1: A deal will get done. Okay. I don't think that
Speaker 1: he's gonna be stubborn in that regard. I don't think
Speaker 1: Dall's not gonna play on the tag. Yeah, and Dallas
Speaker 1: is not gonna trying to play hardball with him. So
Speaker 1: they don't have a lot of opers. They want to
Speaker 1: listen to the cap hit. They don't want to exactly.
Speaker 1: Ten point one is not a big deal, but it
Speaker 1: could be a smaller deal if you get into correct.
Speaker 1: So now Tony Polars checked off. Okay, Tony Polars there,
Speaker 1: t Y Hilton, Okay, t Y Hilton still has tread
Speaker 1: on them tires. Okay, I don't know who our tire
Speaker 1: sponsor is, so I'm not gonna say. His name is
Speaker 1: thirty three years old. At thirty three years old, he
Speaker 1: was booty butt naked open the whole entire last game.
Speaker 1: He was what booty butt naked, glistening naked, that's official,
Speaker 1: glistening naked. He just wasn't getting the opportunities when the
Speaker 1: ball came his way. He got the ball when guys
Speaker 1: were in front of him, He ran past guys when
Speaker 1: guys were when he required to come out the break,
Speaker 1: he came out the break. It was, what booty, But
Speaker 1: make it open, bring the man back. You don't have
Speaker 1: to pay him a whole lot of money. There's nobody
Speaker 1: beating down his doors right now trying to get him
Speaker 1: to come sign a big boy contract. So whatever, he's
Speaker 1: gonna go sign for it elsewhere. He would much rather
Speaker 1: like to just stay here. Sure, Okay, he knows the
Speaker 1: system now. Okay, well thirty percent might change. But other
Speaker 1: than that, get the man back in the building, can compete. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm hard pressedon you know, no knock to any of
Speaker 1: the of the in house offensive free agents. Here's here's
Speaker 1: a list, by the way, let's just rattle. Dalton Schultz
Speaker 1: followed by Jason Peters. We missed c. J. Goodwin on
Speaker 1: the back side. Well, that's because he's a core special
Speaker 1: special teams guy right on the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 1: H Noah Brown, special teams, got it, free it Yeah,
Speaker 1: Noah Brown, Cooper, rush, t Y Hilton, Rico Dowdle. Those
Speaker 1: are the offensive names. Okay, so Tony Pollard that tops
Speaker 1: the list. Ranchise tag done, chick um work that deal
Speaker 1: out Dalton shots He has shown production. And I said
Speaker 1: last season that when Dak Prescott returned from injury that
Speaker 1: you'd see Dalton Shows re emerge, and that's exactly what happened.
Speaker 1: That being said, I think it's time to see what
Speaker 1: Jake Ferguson and pay him shot can do. You have
Speaker 1: a lot of leverage there as a team, as a
Speaker 1: coaching staff. Those young guys showed you they can make
Speaker 1: an immediate impact and they can do it at a
Speaker 1: much lower cost than what dont Shows is probably going
Speaker 1: to command on a free agency market, so he's not
Speaker 1: going to be one of my top three. Cooper Rush
Speaker 1: A lot of leve for Cooper Rush. We gave him
Speaker 1: a lot of flowers. Held one of my science labs
Speaker 1: this past season was dedicated to giving him flowers. I'm
Speaker 1: also interested, though, in seeing what Will Greer can be.
Speaker 1: I know that in US covering training Camp and Oxner,
Speaker 1: Will Grier, I think it's safe to say had the
Speaker 1: lead on Cooper Rush and being QB two joy. He
Speaker 1: suffered the injury in August slowed him, Dak Prescott and
Speaker 1: went down. Cowboys had to go with the tried and
Speaker 1: true hand, which is Cooper Rush. But for my money,
Speaker 1: it's Will Greer plus draft a quarterback to develop and
Speaker 1: let them battle it out behind Dak Prescott. So we'll
Speaker 1: see how that goes. Jason Peters, I like to have
Speaker 1: him back as the offensive line tries to figure yourself out.
Speaker 1: But and I hear that he's open to returning that
Speaker 1: forty one, But as far as must have, he's not
Speaker 1: in that same air as like a Tony Pollitt from
Speaker 1: t Y Hilton. Yes, yes, yes, and yes um. I
Speaker 1: was in on t t Y Hilton over OBJ prior
Speaker 1: to hearing reports that OBJ wants twenty million dollars. So
Speaker 1: if I was in, then I'm more in now. Bring
Speaker 1: me t Y third and third and forever called t Y.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm in. So t Y and Tony Polter
Speaker 1: are kind of my only two. I don't necessarily have
Speaker 1: a third. Noah Brown and Rico Dowdle. I know, I
Speaker 1: believe Rico dowdo went healthy is better right now. The
Speaker 1: Malitte Davis problem is Rico Dowdle can't consistently remain healthy
Speaker 1: for whatever reason these past couple of seasons. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: Noah Brown. I can't say enough about Noah Brown's grit,
Speaker 1: his dedication to get his hands dirty and do whatever
Speaker 1: the Cowboys need. But after seeing what he steps back
Speaker 1: that he took when Dak Prescott returned to the field,
Speaker 1: because he was going he was going crazy when his
Speaker 1: When Cooper Rush was there, they got a connection. The
Speaker 1: connection between Noah in depth wasn't necessarily there. So I'm
Speaker 1: more inclined to lean towards Noah as a special teamer,
Speaker 1: which in that case, I can't put him in the
Speaker 1: same air as a t Y Y Tony Pollard. So
Speaker 1: really of the offensive free agents only got too So yeah,
Speaker 1: what I'm hearing is that it's a significant drop off offensively.
Speaker 1: I mean defensive that's three starters LV, Wilson, Hankins, and
Speaker 1: you can even throw Anthony Brown in there. That's where
Speaker 1: there's attention has been the last few years on the
Speaker 1: defensive side. But on the offensive side, it's Pollard, Who's
Speaker 1: you're starting running back. He's your RB one if you
Speaker 1: especially when you tag him, then there's a significant drop off.
Speaker 1: You're talking about t Y Hilton and I agree his
Speaker 1: return would be a good thing for this football team,
Speaker 1: especially through an entire training camp and all the way
Speaker 1: through a season. I think he'd be great, But he's
Speaker 1: still your third or fourth option at wide receiver. He's
Speaker 1: not a next level game changer. He can come in
Speaker 1: and make a game change and play, but he's not
Speaker 1: a game changer himself, not anymore. Anyway, I could agree
Speaker 1: with it, so I I agree retain him. I'm cool
Speaker 1: with it. But that's a super big drop all this
Speaker 1: between the roles that those two guys would play. So
Speaker 1: is that where the Cowboys need to spend? Does that
Speaker 1: set up the question of this week and next week
Speaker 1: offensive side of the football, that's where it's got to
Speaker 1: be absolutely absolutely no. Outside Hell yeah, you know my thing.
Speaker 1: I think they need to invest in office A line
Speaker 1: And I'm sitting here watching all these officers A linement
Speaker 1: fly off the board and I'm just like, look at
Speaker 1: those prices. Yeah, but that's what do I say? You
Speaker 1: see Dallas like check, but you see Lynstrom, I hear
Speaker 1: he deserves it. Yes, he deserves it because he's a dog.
Speaker 1: My word, I understand. But when you want the grave,
Speaker 1: that's fair. When you want my word, and listen, when
Speaker 1: you want some guys that move them dirt, you better
Speaker 1: go pay for the equipment. You see. That's what Kansas
Speaker 1: City's doing, right, You see Kansas City, Kis at Denver,
Speaker 1: Kansas City. All these guys, right, I mean, these guys
Speaker 1: are sharing up there, like you can't do anything product predictive,
Speaker 1: I don't know productive on offense unless you got the
Speaker 1: big boys up front. You can get all the all
Speaker 1: the receivers, all the running backs, you can get an
Speaker 1: amazing quarterback, you can get all that you want to. Ultimately,
Speaker 1: what you gotta do. Every player, you gotta block, whether
Speaker 1: you're blocking the pass or whether you're blocking the run.
Speaker 1: So blocking comes first. All the other guys come second
Speaker 1: in my head. So I'm hoping that Dallas goes out
Speaker 1: and get some dudes that are still available. But you're
Speaker 1: seeing guys every single day come off that list. Guards tackles, right,
Speaker 1: don't We don't need tackles necessarily, but guards and centers
Speaker 1: come on. Now, that's about say where are you putting
Speaker 1: them centers? Right now? You have three tackles. You have
Speaker 1: Terrence Steele, which he is a restricted free agent. We
Speaker 1: can maybe throw him into the maxis of retaining retainable guy. Likely,
Speaker 1: but I've positioned it for weeks that they're going to
Speaker 1: tender him. It will likely be a second round tender.
Speaker 1: Will know officially on tomorrow when the league gear opens.
Speaker 1: But I just don't know that the team is comfortable.
Speaker 1: This is my speculation. I just don't know that the
Speaker 1: team is comfortable doing a long term deal just with
Speaker 1: him coming off of that torn ACL. So that deal
Speaker 1: might take a while. They've learned their lesson right, that
Speaker 1: deal might take a while to happen, which creates a
Speaker 1: question mark at right tackle, not just in twenty twenty three,
Speaker 1: but in four. Yeah, and then Tyler biadis he's entering
Speaker 1: a contract year. You're starting center. If you're not breaking
Speaker 1: back Terren Steeles, if you're if you're not bringing back
Speaker 1: Terren steel if you're gonna not if it's a first
Speaker 1: round of ten. Offensive line isn't rebuild modes minus Zach Martin,
Speaker 1: they one percent are in rebuild mode. The teams that
Speaker 1: what please name the teams that are in our conference,
Speaker 1: the conference or sorry, in our in our division. Sorry,
Speaker 1: my apologises. Eagles commanders, James okay, were they specialized out
Speaker 1: on defense? All three teams defensive line, defensive line? How
Speaker 1: many games that twice a year? Right? Each of those are?
Speaker 1: How many games out of your seventeen game? Six? Six
Speaker 1: of your seventeen games or against defensive lines that you
Speaker 1: really can't just manhandle. You might want to address that
Speaker 1: fair enough. You might want to address that because you
Speaker 1: get six of your games a third over a third
Speaker 1: of your games that you're gonna play, you have to
Speaker 1: face these guys and as of right now, they dominate you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all three of them. Yeah, you might want to share
Speaker 1: that up. There's gonna be a lot of pressure on
Speaker 1: some of the younger guys on the offensive line to
Speaker 1: kind of step up. And these are guys who've shown
Speaker 1: some promise. So you talk about a guy like Matt
Speaker 1: will Let's go for example, if not for the injury,
Speaker 1: I think Matt will Let's Go is a key contributor
Speaker 1: last season when the Cowboys would have needed him most
Speaker 1: across that offensive line. Um, you started to see a
Speaker 1: little bit of the needle pointing north on a guy
Speaker 1: like Avellant Collins. I like him, Yeah, I like Aviana's
Speaker 1: He's a he's a dog. Yeah that that horn frog
Speaker 1: knows how to get after he's a dog. So the
Speaker 1: guys have and I have to say that because he
Speaker 1: and I we kind of poke fonde each other dogs TCU.
Speaker 1: But the Cowboys going forward. You know, even if they
Speaker 1: retain Tyrn Smith as as expected, um dropped Tyler Smith,
Speaker 1: maybe down the left guard Terrence Steele is an RFA.
Speaker 1: Isn't going to be a long term deal, is it not?
Speaker 1: Tyler Biadas? Can you lock him up early? Are you
Speaker 1: going to say, let's try to find out the center?
Speaker 1: You got Lindstrom's brother here, right, Alec is here right
Speaker 1: out of Boston College. Can Alec come in and contribute
Speaker 1: as an interior swing offensive lineman. It feels like the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are looking at their young guys on the offensive
Speaker 1: line and saying, we believe that you're going to take
Speaker 1: the next step forward. That can Your question scares me
Speaker 1: about one particular player the others I see some potentially
Speaker 1: there's one particular guy whose last name rhymes with call
Speaker 1: that I would prefer not Doball. Yeah, okay, I would
Speaker 1: that on that particular player. I would prefer to not
Speaker 1: see trying to protect that Prescott. Everybody else I'm willing
Speaker 1: to see. But to your point, however you address it,
Speaker 1: it has to be addressed. Cowboys offensive line. When we
Speaker 1: come back Martin is in rebuilding. Yeah, when we come
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Speaker 1: They don't pay me to do that. That's Kyle, He's
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Speaker 1: We've got Isaiah standback. We've got Patrick Nose Walker, Chris
Speaker 1: Beam in the back. All right, Isaiah, you had your
Speaker 1: hand raised, Yes I did. What is your question, sir?
Speaker 1: If you were going to spend big free agency money
Speaker 1: as a Dallas Cowboys front office, we know they don't
Speaker 1: like to do that, But if you're going to do so,
Speaker 1: they don't like to do that until the second week
Speaker 1: after they see how the market folds, thee how the
Speaker 1: numbers were understood, understood, It's just how it's how it
Speaker 1: always Yeah, So Dallas people come to terms with it
Speaker 1: the better. Yeah. They like to go through the guys
Speaker 1: that are left after the first week. It's okay, well,
Speaker 1: they focus they focused on trying to keep their their guys.
Speaker 1: Get it, I get it. We just talked about it
Speaker 1: though offensively there's help. Okay. So, um, if you're going
Speaker 1: to spend big on one free agent, what position would
Speaker 1: it be for m outside of the building, outside of
Speaker 1: this building, please, it's on the offenside of the ball now,
Speaker 1: wide receiver. Um m hmmm, huh. Because as far as
Speaker 1: offensive line, we talk about that at NAUGA. So I
Speaker 1: think that's the obvious, right, But the question becomes at
Speaker 1: this point, as as these days roll along, are there
Speaker 1: going to be any offensive linemen available in outside free
Speaker 1: agency that you would be willing to pay, Not necessarily
Speaker 1: a premium because it'd be the second tertiary waves, but
Speaker 1: pay a solid dollar two that you feel that they're
Speaker 1: going to come in and instantly just make everything you're saying.
Speaker 1: You're saying all those guys at the offensive linement position
Speaker 1: have take the top offensive linement. If they've not been
Speaker 1: taken yesterday by the time this week is overs, out
Speaker 1: there by the time this week is over, that is
Speaker 1: going to dwindle, might be gone by the end of
Speaker 1: the right. So then that leaves you they're not white
Speaker 1: receivers though. That market just started moving this morning. Yes,
Speaker 1: it just there was no wide receiver movement in day one.
Speaker 1: The numbers and the names of these wide receivers aren't
Speaker 1: they're they're not sexy. I mean they're not they're not
Speaker 1: big time names. I mean, Jakobe Myers was the names
Speaker 1: that offensive side right offense. Okay, we've still going with
Speaker 1: the offensive line, I am. I mean now a lot
Speaker 1: of these guys are tackles, which I can make it work.
Speaker 1: Orlando Brown, you have tackles, Taylor Lwant. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I can work. I'm inside of you. Get absolutely site
Speaker 1: to slide down. Donovan Smith. Um, I'm looking again. I
Speaker 1: don't see any interior guys. Really, the interiors drawn up.
Speaker 1: Graham Glasgow from Denver, he's probably somebody that you could
Speaker 1: look at. Rodney Hudson from Arizona. He's getting He's he's
Speaker 1: thirty three. Their names there, the wide receiver names just
Speaker 1: they don't jump out at me. I mean, are you
Speaker 1: gonna go get Adam Feeling? I mean yeah, but you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to spend You're gonna have to spend a
Speaker 1: decent amount there. This is the first team outside of
Speaker 1: Minnesota that he's been on hill probably his production has
Speaker 1: substantially dwindles. No, you're right, Robbie Anderson. No, I mean
Speaker 1: that's the that's those are the top two names on
Speaker 1: the wide receiver list outside of Ode. Can make an
Speaker 1: argument for Juju? Uh, show me the number that's fair,
Speaker 1: show me that. So before you shake your head, please
Speaker 1: don't we said big money. We said big money. Questions questions, Okay,
Speaker 1: So then no, I can't. I can't make the big
Speaker 1: money argument for Yeah. I can't make the big money
Speaker 1: argument for Juju. So fair enough. If you're saying big money,
Speaker 1: then I can't make it. Maybe he'll take your saying
Speaker 1: reasonable money. Then I could make the argument for he'll
Speaker 1: take a pay cut to come take it to Philly,
Speaker 1: like like being said the back, Yeah, just to go
Speaker 1: out it. Guys are done taking pay cuts. Guy, I
Speaker 1: know I'm living. I feel like the obvious answer to
Speaker 1: the question is offensive line. But the problem with that
Speaker 1: being the answer is that you don't necessarily have a
Speaker 1: direction to go there that would be palatable financially for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, because by the time it becomes palatable for them,
Speaker 1: which is going to be date four or five, six,
Speaker 1: seven and onward. The names that would have been able
Speaker 1: to that you could have dropped into this offensive line
Speaker 1: say boom. So you're saying there, so you're saying it
Speaker 1: moved too slow. I didn't say that. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: that by the time they are ready to move in
Speaker 1: that capacity, those guys are what they had the same
Speaker 1: opportunity as the rest of the league though, right they did. Okay,
Speaker 1: So that's just different, different motive operation, philosophy, different motive operation.
Speaker 1: They're focused on keeping back. But let's rewind. Let's rewind
Speaker 1: to day one. Rewind, rewind to day one. Okay, free agency.
Speaker 1: What position are you spending on m day day one day?
Speaker 1: Offensive line? What position? Guard? Yeah? Give me, give me
Speaker 1: a big beefy guard. Yeah. Okay. The only guards that
Speaker 1: have gone off the tab off so yeah, only table.
Speaker 1: The only guards that have gone off the table. Ben
Speaker 1: Powers Baltimore signed by Denver. Nate Davis Tennessee signed by Chicago.
Speaker 1: Outside of that, I mean Nick Gates, who was ah,
Speaker 1: I mean he got less money than even a Connor
Speaker 1: mcgoverned guy. I mean those are the two names, the
Speaker 1: two starting names that you probably could have gotten for
Speaker 1: big money. I mean, it would have been big money spending,
Speaker 1: but it would have been the input guys there. I
Speaker 1: still think there are impact guys that question on the market. Okay,
Speaker 1: do you I know we gotta get ready to get
Speaker 1: out here? Do you guys worry about that position group,
Speaker 1: especially knowing the philosophy that McCarthy is trying to establish
Speaker 1: at you mentioning West Coast ball out quick. He wants
Speaker 1: to run the ball, He's no secret about that. He
Speaker 1: wants to run the ball. He wants to be able
Speaker 1: to control the line of scrimmage and control the game
Speaker 1: clock and give his defense rest and simply just just
Speaker 1: handle you on an offensive front. Yes, I am worried
Speaker 1: about it. I am too, Yes, because and here's the thing.
Speaker 1: You could give me a starting five to start the season, right.
Speaker 1: You can give me that starting five where it's Terrence Steals,
Speaker 1: Zach Martin, Tyler biatt As, Tyler Smith, Tyrn Smith. Give
Speaker 1: me that starting five, and I'm all right, right, I
Speaker 1: feel pretty good about that. Those are the five guys
Speaker 1: until Tyrn goes down. Then what do you do? Then
Speaker 1: it all gets blown up? And guess what Tyrant's going
Speaker 1: down might be before the season starts. Again. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's played in seventeen games of the last three seasons. Right,
Speaker 1: give me, give me stability, give me something offensive line
Speaker 1: wise that you can rely on. I think Tyrand Smith's
Speaker 1: a hell of a player. He always has been, and
Speaker 1: then when he's healthy, he's still fantastic. Even when he
Speaker 1: slid over the right tackle and he had his ups
Speaker 1: and downs. Still believed in him. But do I believe
Speaker 1: in his health and do I believe in his durability? No, correct,
Speaker 1: I don't, And that's fair, And I think that's just
Speaker 1: a realistic take on it. So assuming which is not
Speaker 1: a safe assumption, assuming Tyrant Smith can give you at
Speaker 1: least half the season, I think recent history dictates that
Speaker 1: he'd likely won't give you a full seventeen plus, So
Speaker 1: you're gonna miss it for several games for whatever reason
Speaker 1: that might be. See I hate being happy about having
Speaker 1: him for only half a season, though, Like that's where
Speaker 1: I have the problem. Fair, but given the current state
Speaker 1: of affairs on the offensive line, it's better than not
Speaker 1: having him at all. Agree, Because if for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: Tyring is not back in the building, which again it's
Speaker 1: expected that he will be, but we're speaking hypothetically. If
Speaker 1: he's not back in the building. You want to talk
Speaker 1: about a position group being in shambles, we were talking
Speaker 1: about the linebackers, your offensive line. Holy crap, right, absent tyring.
Speaker 1: You don't know what's going on with Peters. Even if
Speaker 1: you do, it is its position. I get it. Get
Speaker 1: to be addressed and aggressively. My own point is, I
Speaker 1: think those guys that will be able to let you
Speaker 1: be able to drop in and say ka boom. But
Speaker 1: that's why we're solid. But that's why I'm so flying off.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm so frustrated. That's why I'm so frustrated.
Speaker 1: Myself and Nate Newton have been beyond freshtrated because it's
Speaker 1: like I understand that Dallas, within their typical philosophy, doesn't
Speaker 1: like the overspin for players or spin too much for
Speaker 1: a position. Listen here, man, if you want to do
Speaker 1: what you used to do at the line of scrimmage,
Speaker 1: you had to have because the opportunity is most likely gone,
Speaker 1: right unless they pull out some miraculous trade or something
Speaker 1: like that, that's still on the board. That's still on
Speaker 1: the board. Those players are gone. Those impact come in
Speaker 1: freaking just hogs up front. Those guys were gone. And
Speaker 1: that's why I was frustrated. That's why I was frustrated
Speaker 1: because I feel as if in Dallas Cowboys Nation, we
Speaker 1: focus so much on the skill position groups yea, and
Speaker 1: everybody forgets about what makes the dog on motor run.
Speaker 1: Everybody wants the aesthetics, they want the rims, right, they
Speaker 1: want the low profile, they want the tenant windows, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: they want they want the sound system right. But yeah,
Speaker 1: you got no training, right, your axles are shot, right,
Speaker 1: you got no rotors. But guess what, we look good?
Speaker 1: But we look good, right, they don't want the dog. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So that's my That's that's what I feel almost every year,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And then guess what we
Speaker 1: do and then guess what historically we're like. You know what,
Speaker 1: I got a plug over here. They got some stuff
Speaker 1: you know in the back, got it in the fourth
Speaker 1: you know, I got some stuff in the bad sixth
Speaker 1: round and the dust that out. Let me see if
Speaker 1: it's still on the show that still work. It still work.
Speaker 1: Here's part the question, and this is gonna this is
Speaker 1: gonna say way to something Kyle does except exceptionally. Well, um,
Speaker 1: how would you feel if they two years in a
Speaker 1: world kind of double down on offensive line in the
Speaker 1: first round. I'm with it. I am with it. What
Speaker 1: do you think? I love it? I'm with and I'm
Speaker 1: completely fine, And I honestly think that's what Dallas is
Speaker 1: going to do. So then that would solve your solve it.
Speaker 1: I don't know, because it's still you're still a question, right,
Speaker 1: it still has tails, gonna take time, fair, but it
Speaker 1: solves the concern about addressing it with premium premium asset,
Speaker 1: so being with top money or a first round pick
Speaker 1: that's premium asset. So I like where you're where you're
Speaker 1: going with this. I think that's what Dallas is going
Speaker 1: to do. Being a McCarthy now has like full full
Speaker 1: control quote unquote. Okay, I think they're going to address
Speaker 1: office in line. I think they're going to do that
Speaker 1: in the first round. There's one guy then that's it.
Speaker 1: That's the only guy you got. But we're Osiris Torrance
Speaker 1: from Florida. That's the only first round guard that would
Speaker 1: potentially be available. He's actually the top rated guard on
Speaker 1: my list. But that's not a good thing. It's not
Speaker 1: a good guard class, not a good interior offensive blind class.
Speaker 1: John Michael Schmidtz out of Minnesota is probably the second
Speaker 1: name on that list. He's right there, but he's a sinner.
Speaker 1: Well Cyrus, for those that may not know, And if
Speaker 1: you don't know, that means you didn't listen to the
Speaker 1: previous episode of Talking Cowboys. What are you doing when
Speaker 1: you're like, well, Cyrus had a formal meeting with the cowboys,
Speaker 1: so they are interested. Yeah, I think if you're if
Speaker 1: you're Mike McCarthy, now have to take office alignment. If
Speaker 1: you're coming out preaching about what you're about to do
Speaker 1: offensively and about about how you want to go about
Speaker 1: your business, you have to set a temple and set
Speaker 1: a set forth what you're gonna do and by and
Speaker 1: then you do that by going out there and grabbing
Speaker 1: a guy that represents what your game plan is. We'll
Speaker 1: see what their thirty business look like. Oh yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's the real interest. How many, oh il will you
Speaker 1: see them? Only? We'll think about it. Last year, like
Speaker 1: we we never even really looked at drom Bland. We
Speaker 1: had looked at him a little bit, we had kind
Speaker 1: I've seen him but he was a thirty busy guy
Speaker 1: and he kind of he was just one of the
Speaker 1: back end guys that you thought brought in for an
Speaker 1: undrafted free agent. Look, no, he got drafted in the
Speaker 1: fifth round. Things like that show what they're looking for.
Speaker 1: So when the thirty visits begin to come out, that's
Speaker 1: when you'll really see where they're honing in on these
Speaker 1: draft visits. A lot of that there the combine visits.
Speaker 1: Rather a lot of those formals are just just kicking tires.
Speaker 1: I mean they're interested because they met with them, and
Speaker 1: they're at least on the list. That's what I mean.
Speaker 1: There's at least interest. Yeah, but shows you there at
Speaker 1: least contemplating. I wouldn't be shocked if Osiris Torrance is
Speaker 1: a thirty busy guy, because he might be the only
Speaker 1: one of its. John Michael Schmidtz, they did meet formally,
Speaker 1: John Michael Schmidtz, Real quick, what position group are they drafting?
Speaker 1: First round? First round corner corner guard Osirius Torance. That's
Speaker 1: your pick, then, is it? And I'm okay with that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: If that's I'm just saying. Last year there were five names.
Speaker 1: I mean, we were talking about Kenyon Green, Zion Johnson,
Speaker 1: Tyler Linderbaum, Tyler Smith. We were talking about all these
Speaker 1: guys that were up at the top of the draft
Speaker 1: last year. UH, cornerback, offensive line. I'm completely and utterly
Speaker 1: fine with those being if one of those were the
Speaker 1: goal at twenty six, or if they moved up a
Speaker 1: little bit, whatever the case may be. It might be
Speaker 1: a wide receiver too. By the way, wide receiver, I'm
Speaker 1: also not adverse to that. However, if we're talking running back,
Speaker 1: there are a couple of really good wide receive I'm
Speaker 1: O'm out on running Jackson Smith say. I say all
Speaker 1: that to set up my next statement, I'm out on
Speaker 1: running back. So everyone stopped tweeting me about running back.
Speaker 1: I'm out on running back. I won't even make it
Speaker 1: out of the top fifteen. It's not worth the energy.
Speaker 1: It's not worth the energy to have that conversation. I don't.
Speaker 1: I realize it's good for you know, clicks and whatnot,
Speaker 1: but you know, I don't need to please no skill positions,
Speaker 1: all right, So when the Cowboys draft a wide receiver,
Speaker 1: Isaiah will do his pin throw across the room. When
Speaker 1: we come back next week, we will break down what
Speaker 1: else has happened in free agency, and we'll we'll try
Speaker 1: and see if we can continue making some road apps.
Speaker 1: Any splashes you think either before next week? I think
Speaker 1: there will be one splash. I'm not saying it's cannonball
Speaker 1: with after you had a big burger like it's great
Speaker 1: into the pool. Will there be a cannonball before next show?
Speaker 1: Before our next show? I think it will be what
Speaker 1: was the what's the other drive dive that makes a
Speaker 1: big splash? Can belly splash, belly floppy flop, billy flopp? Worst?
Speaker 1: I think? Can't opener? Can't opener? Can? Yeah? They can opener? Okay?
Speaker 1: Can opener by Tuesday? By Tuesday, can overen to by Tuesday?
Speaker 1: Or a cannonball? Cannonball by tuesday, cannonball by too. I
Speaker 1: have I have somebody in mind. Oh, I feel like
Speaker 1: they're working on it. We gonna see tell Us, tell Us,
Speaker 1: tell Us, tell us on the next episode of Dragonball.
Speaker 1: On the next episode of dragon Ball. Stand back for
Speaker 1: Patrick Hawker. I'm Kyle, y'allm sake for joining us on
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