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Speaker 1: right now we're going to talk with John Eastman. His

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Speaker 1: name has been in the news. He's supposed to be

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Speaker 1: co conspirator number two in the latest Trump indictment. He

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Speaker 1: was formerly the dean of Chapman Law School, and he

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Speaker 1: And it was supposedly, if you believe the news reports,

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Speaker 1: and we'll talk to Eastman more about it, that it

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Speaker 1: was Eastman's idea to present Mike Pence with a different

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Speaker 1: set of electors from various states.

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Speaker 2: Let me read from the indictment the exact words, not

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Speaker 2: very long. Co Conspirator two an attorney who devised and

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Speaker 2: attempted to implement a strategy to leverage the vice president's

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Speaker 2: ceremonial role overseeing the certification, proceeding to obstruct the certification

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Speaker 2: of the presidential election. And we did say yesterday quickly

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Speaker 2: that we thought that was John Eastman, and it appears

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Speaker 2: that that's who they're referring to. Again, he's not charged,

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Speaker 2: he's just named as a co conspirator in the indictment

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Speaker 2: against Trump.

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Speaker 1: These were separate lists of electors that they wanted Pence

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Speaker 1: to consider as legitimate, which would have tipped various states

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Speaker 1: Trump the presidency according to this legal theory. Let's get

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Speaker 1: Johnny spin On here. John, how are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm well, it's been a long time since I talk

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Speaker 3: to you, guys. I hope you're doing well.

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Speaker 1: Well, we're fine. Well, you've been very busy in recent years.

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Speaker 1: So all right, Well, are you here to say that

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Speaker 1: you are a co conspirator number two?

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, there are about a dozen references in

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Speaker 3: the indictment to co conspirator two, and some of them

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Speaker 1: Do you see nobody nobody reaches out to you formally

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Speaker 3: You this, then no, no, no, it's as we read it.

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Speaker 3: And says, oh, that's from my email. I guess that's me.

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Speaker 1: Do you think you're going to get indicted?

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Speaker 3: Well, you know the fact that they didn't include me

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Speaker 3: It's quite clear that I'm not the big fish thereafter.

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Speaker 3: What they're what they've done is something that former Supreme

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Speaker 3: of a prosecutor is to is to decide on somebody

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Speaker 3: It's it's a tactic that Stalin deployed by his head

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Speaker 3: clearly Trump's the guy they wanted to go after, and

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Speaker 3: they've been scouring the law votes trying to find something

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Speaker 2: Now, have you heard about this defense attorney John Laurel

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're the one that pushed Trump to push Pence

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Speaker 2: to do this. What President Trump had was an actual

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Speaker 3: Well, and we should be very clear what that request was,

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Speaker 3: contingent votes. That was it. It's the exact same thing

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Speaker 1: So that's it. So the legal so the lawsuits went

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Speaker 3: And that's what mister Laura was talking about this morning.

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Speaker 1: Well, did you do something wrong by giving that advice

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Speaker 1: So you completely, you completely stand by the advice you

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Speaker 3: you know, if a court comes in and says, no, no,

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Speaker 3: Well, he can, he can say whatever he wants. The

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Speaker 2: So, if I'm hearing you correctly, John, what you're saying is,

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Speaker 3: And people can look at my memo. I lay out

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Speaker 2: Well, they talked about dinner now, because most of these

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Speaker 1: False.

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Speaker 2: We're talking to John Eastman, And it's now pretty clear

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Speaker 1: Trump attorney James Eastman. John Eastman rather John Eastman, also

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Speaker 2: He's a Trump appoint You're acting like this is the

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Speaker 1: What do you think Trump thought at the time that

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Speaker 1: Well, what did so, did Mike pen Where do you

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Speaker 3: No, he did not. He treated himself as just a

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Speaker 3: Give us an extra week to make that assessment. That's

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Speaker 3: So you forget a very critical point in the law,

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Speaker 1: What do you think Trump We're going to fix it?

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Speaker 3: I know that's part of the I know that's part

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Speaker 3: Well? No, I mean, look, if I'm right about all

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Speaker 3: Then you've got a real coup on your hand, and said,

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Speaker 2: Now, John, you are an unindicted co conspirator, so you

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Speaker 3: Well. There, you know, we put out a statement last night,

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Speaker 3: So we put out a statement last night, No plea bargains.

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Speaker 1: All right, John, We're so glad you came on. Thanks

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Speaker 3: All right, guys, thanks very much.

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Speaker 2: That's John Eastmith, of course, the former dean the Chapman

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Speaker 2: University Law School, constitutional scholar, and of course co conspirator

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Speaker 4: You're listening to John and Ken on demand. From KFI

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Speaker 1: If you're just joining us, you just missed John Eastman,

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Speaker 2: There has to be a postgame show on this because

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Speaker 1: Twenty twenty election results.

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Speaker 2: Now, the one thing you asked, which I have a

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Speaker 2: Even though I believe johnny'spen and you and I have

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Speaker 2: But if we're going to do this civilly and correctly,

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Speaker 1: Look, I voted for Trump twice, and I wanted him

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Speaker 2: I believe John He's been legitimately believed that that election

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Speaker 2: or something wrong going on that they could have been

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Speaker 2: But like you asked, what would if that was allowed?

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Speaker 1: How long would it take to sort through that? And

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Speaker 1: that was the problem they had, is because there's constitutional deadlines.

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Speaker 1: January sixth had to be the day that penns.

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Speaker 2: It's like when Gore challenged Florida as results, right, remember

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Speaker 2: that Then the Supreme Court kind of cut the kai

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Speaker 2: bosh on that and said we just got to move forward, right,

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Speaker 2: because that could take months years.

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Speaker 1: It's just as one state. That's why Richard Nixon never

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Speaker 1: challenged his loss to John Kennedy. You know, that's widely

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Speaker 1: believed that the Kennedy's dad and the mafia rigged Chicago,

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Speaker 1: which tipped Illinois to Kennedy, and that was the margin

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Speaker 1: of victory there. But Nixon didn't want to put the

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Speaker 1: whole country through the process, and practically it would have

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Speaker 1: been impossible to do it in time. You know, you

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Speaker 1: have to have an orderly control. You have to pass

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Speaker 1: the government from one individual, one party to the next

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Speaker 1: in an orderly manner, peaceful transfer of power. And in

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Speaker 1: order to do that, that's the greater good. You can't

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Speaker 1: have a three year, bloody battle in the courts. That

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Speaker 1: it's impossible.

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Speaker 2: So I agree, But with what Johnny's been said. Ever

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Speaker 2: since Trump got elected in late twenty sixteen, there has

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Speaker 2: been a rather large between the media and ask certain

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Speaker 2: people in government movement to get him out. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: would agree with that. It's not just members of Congress,

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Speaker 2: it's other people involved in quote the deep state. But

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Speaker 2: that when he dragged Bill Barr into it was Trump's

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Speaker 2: attorney general saying that even he couldn't be trusted because

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Speaker 2: he wasn't buying this fraud thing.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. That's where I kind of divert a

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Speaker 1: little bit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've read a lot of what Bill Barr has

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Speaker 2: to say, and he seems like the voice of reason

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Speaker 2: on a lot of these matters. So I just I mean,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure that people have questions about him, but I

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Speaker 2: just thought that was kind of going too far with

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Speaker 2: the arguments.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought Barr was generally upstanding and honest in

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Speaker 1: his statements, And yeah he did. He was working for Trump,

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Speaker 1: and he resigned a couple of weeks later after he

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Speaker 1: came out with his Now, how thorough the investigation was? Again,

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Speaker 1: it's December first, it's three weeks after the election. How

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Speaker 1: much are you going to do? But yeah, see, you

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Speaker 1: have to have an obvious smoking gun that everybody would understand, right,

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Speaker 1: because you got to get the public on your side,

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Speaker 1: you got to get the media on your side to

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Speaker 1: cover it, and there just wasn't.

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Speaker 2: And what would have been the biggest smoking gun that

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Speaker 2: we haven't actually talked about yet, rigging the vote machines.

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Speaker 2: Remember that wholeving Fox News right right, the five right?

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Speaker 1: That would have been a big one if that was

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Speaker 1: real and proven. It probably wasn't right, and it would have.

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Speaker 1: It would have been something that would have affected potentially

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Speaker 1: millions of votes. So that's right, So then it would

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Speaker 1: have been plausible. It's like, oh, you're talking about a

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Speaker 1: rigged voting machine where they could change the totals, you know,

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Speaker 1: by pressing a little in the back, right, Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: and and so well that's that's why, right now, that's

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Speaker 1: why Trump's attorneys who fought this more publicly than Eastman did.

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Speaker 1: Eastman provided a lot of inside baseball strategy, but it

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Speaker 1: was it was Rudy Giuliani and that woman what was

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Speaker 1: her name, Sidney Sidney Powell. She's apparently co conspiracory number three. Right,

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Speaker 1: And Giuliani is now backing off of some of the

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Speaker 1: stuff he said once he's been dragged into court and

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Speaker 1: he has to under oath certify that he's saying I

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Speaker 1: did no, I just said that it's not true. I

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Speaker 1: don't believe that theory because because lawyers throw up nonsense

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Speaker 1: in every case, In every case, one of the two

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Speaker 1: law teams is lying. They always know if their guy

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Speaker 1: is guilty or innocent, or who's right or wrong, and

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Speaker 1: it's the case they know, but they're hired and they're

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Speaker 1: going to provide the best defense, were best prosecution that

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Speaker 1: they can. But they know when they have a weak case,

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Speaker 1: or they can't prove a case, or they're just flat

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Speaker 1: out lying and hoping that, you know, they get stupid jurors.

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Speaker 1: So that's part of the job. We got more coming up.

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Speaker 2: Johnny KENKFI AM six forty Live everywhere iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and of course we did talk to John Eastman

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Speaker 2: earlier this hour. He is a co conspirator number two

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Speaker 2: in the indictment against former President Trump that was announced

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Speaker 2: yesterday afternoon. He of course, was a top legal advisor

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Speaker 2: to Trump during the attempts to change the twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: election results. And you can hear that interview. It'll be

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Speaker 2: part of the podcast Johnny Cannon demand. Use the iHeartRadio

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Speaker 1: To access it.

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Speaker 2: To lighten things up a little bit. I enjoyed this

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Speaker 2: story because of the irony. There is a performer, a

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Speaker 2: singer by the name of Lizzo. She's large anyway, but

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Speaker 2: she's been considered an icon a body positivity. It's called well,

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Speaker 2: she's got a bunch of former dancers who have taken

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Speaker 2: a lawsuit to Los Angeles County Court accusing her and

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Speaker 2: some of her other employees, saying the pop star harassed

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Speaker 2: them with comments tinged.

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Speaker 1: With racial and fat phobic animus. Fat phobic animus animous.

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Speaker 1: That sounds like a disease, right, So.

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Speaker 2: Instead of being BOSI body positive, apparently they're claiming that

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Speaker 2: they got teased and tortured for being overweight. And of

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Speaker 2: course the fact that the story that's making headlines is

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Speaker 2: this trip to Amsterdam in February. Lizzo, they claim, invited

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Speaker 2: them for a night out on the town. They ended

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Speaker 2: up in the red light district of Amsterdam and they

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Speaker 2: were forced to do some things. They were supposed to

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Speaker 2: touch the nude performers. Catch dildo's launched at them from

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Speaker 2: the performers of private part.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's disgusting.

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Speaker 2: Really bananas that they're they're they're pulling stuff out of

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Speaker 2: their private areas and and and throwing it at the customers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, catch, oh that's gross.

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Speaker 2: Now again, you you're an adult. You don't have to

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Speaker 2: do anything you don't want to do. But they were,

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Speaker 2: they were pressured and goaded into doing.

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Speaker 1: Breaking news awoke celebrities of phony. Never would have guessed it.

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Speaker 1: You remember when she showed up to a Laker game

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Speaker 1: with just a thong and her butt was out. Oh

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Speaker 1: that was what I was done with her. You can't

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Speaker 1: un forget that. All this is just just disgusting, it

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Speaker 1: really is. Then they had their cute little phrase body positivity.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, it's like harm reduction body positivity conways here.

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Speaker 5: You know, I thought Mark Thompson was the only guy

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Speaker 5: still doing that. Oh yeah, the l a Zoo is

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Speaker 5: going to expand that's great. They're gonna move it out

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Speaker 5: from Griffith Park onto the freeway.

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Speaker 3: Is that what?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the freeway.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's gonna be and you can drive by and

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Speaker 5: look at it. I don't have to stop. It's weird.

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Speaker 1: I like that you have a different news service than

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Speaker 1: we do.

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Speaker 5: It's a good one, right, Taylor Swift tickets are dropping

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Speaker 5: like a rock.

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Speaker 1: You can buy that. You know.

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Speaker 5: The seats were sixteen hundred bucks, naking them for four

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Speaker 5: or five hundred bucks in the nose really yeah yeah,

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Speaker 5: slide in there, enjoy yourself.

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Speaker 1: And then we also have the new lottery.

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Speaker 5: People like to talk about that it's bumped up to

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Speaker 5: one on a quarter billion dollars.

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Speaker 1: That's a lot. And then King Tide is in, uh

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Speaker 1: you know, Sunset Beach. What country is he from? King

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Speaker 1: King Tide. It's an official vision.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And when he's high, he's King High Tide.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I heard that they got flooded out. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: But you know what they attribute this to, you know, obviously,

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Speaker 5: you know, you could guess global warming, But but this

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Speaker 5: happens every year, every year for the last nine they said,

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Speaker 5: for the last ninety thousand years it's been happening.

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Speaker 1: There was a full moon last night, Yes, full moon,

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Speaker 1: major title pull.

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Speaker 2: Remember that pushed years ago? We should blow up the moon,

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Speaker 2: remember that, John we talked about.

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Speaker 1: Are blowing up? I heard you guys talk about it

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Speaker 1: was like twenty five years ago.

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Speaker 5: Nobody knows where it would go if we blew it up,

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Speaker 5: but it would probably just shatter into the into the world,

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Speaker 5: and the globe into the earth.

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Speaker 2: All supposed to have some effect here that's positive, like

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Speaker 2: the tides or something.

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Speaker 1: I don't remember what You want to risk that. You

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Speaker 1: think these guys know what would happen. You know, they

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Speaker 1: don't know what would happen.

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Speaker 5: You know, the tide is always the same, and this

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Speaker 5: is why they know the tide's going to be high

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Speaker 5: in the next you know, eight years, because the tide

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Speaker 5: is always the same the world. The Earth rotates into

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Speaker 5: the high tide, so the high tide is always in

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Speaker 5: one area and the earth just rolls into it and

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Speaker 5: rolls out of it. We have a tidal expert, yes, yes,

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Speaker 5: and so they know when it's going to be high because.

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Speaker 1: It is always directly over the moon or under the

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Speaker 1: true story. You never wanted to talk about the king tides. Well,

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Speaker 1: my my, my step no. My grandfather in law was

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Speaker 1: a river pilot on the Columbia River. Of fact, he was.

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Speaker 5: He took the first Los Angeles class nuclear submarine up

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Speaker 5: the Columbia River and it was displacing so much water

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Speaker 5: in front of it.

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Speaker 1: It was swamping boats a mile or two miles in

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Speaker 1: front of it. Wow.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And they coast guard said you got to slow

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Speaker 5: that thing, nuke on it. When he was he they

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Speaker 5: never tell you, don't they don't talk about it, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: but I guess there was right.

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Speaker 1: He could have nuked Oregan.

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Speaker 5: Anytime they say they can't talk about it, the answer

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Speaker 5: is always yes, yes, yes, like Israel.

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Speaker 1: Israel.

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Speaker 5: Israel never ever admits to having the nuclear bomb, right,

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Speaker 5: They've got him, no comment right.

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