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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a mother and dad actually

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Speaker 1: in the shooting in the last hours a development, I'm

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thanks for being with

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Speaker 1: us here at Crime Stories and on sirius XM one

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Speaker 1: eleven now. While Jennifer Crumley and her husband claim they

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Speaker 1: have no responsibility for what their son, Ethan Crumley did,

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Speaker 1: judge Cheryl Matthews said texts and writings in Ethan Crumley's

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Speaker 1: out that violent video games that Ethan Crumbley played can

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Speaker 1: also be presented as evidence against the parents. The parents

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Speaker 1: respond that many young people play violent games, allowing Ethan

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Speaker 1: Crumley to play them is the norm. However, the state

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Speaker 1: responds these games aggravated his violent tendencies. Did they know

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Speaker 1: that the parents, Jennifer and James Crumley, each charged with

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Speaker 1: County prosecutors there in Michigan filed documents adding the three

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Speaker 1: witnesses to Jennifer Crumley's trial based on prior testimony in

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Speaker 1: only do prosecutors say that Ethan Cromley played the violent

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Speaker 1: but also prosecutors say the Krumbley parents purchased their teen

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Speaker 1: Prosecutors also say even knowing of their son's violent fantasies.

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Speaker 1: Crumley was charged with terrorism resulting in death in addition

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Speaker 2: Their son is accused of killing four students during a

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Speaker 1: Can you imagine you your children to school that morning,

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Speaker 1: And for those of you that are not familiar with

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Speaker 1: what we're talking about, the school shooter Ethan Crumley, take

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Speaker 3: A BOLO alert has been issued for James and Jennifer Crumbley,

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Speaker 3: the parents of Ethan Crumbley. They accused Oxford High School shooter. Now,

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Speaker 3: involuntary manslaughter in connection to the Oxford for High school shootings. Now,

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Speaker 4: Known location was released. Anyone who sees.

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Speaker 3: The Crumblies, they are picture here on your screen in

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Speaker 1: Four counts of involuntary manslaughter. Mommy and daddy gave on

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Speaker 1: to Pierre Thomas. ABC student John ed.

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Speaker 5: Was describing the chaos to our affiliate WXYZ done with pay.

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Speaker 2: We hear our principal, mister Wolf shouting ALIC lockdown, Alix lockdown, and.

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Speaker 6: Then we heard the gunshots in the class, and so we.

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Speaker 7: Lockdown, turn liked off our teacher got paper taped over

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Speaker 9: My safety, my friend safety, you know everyone safety.

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Speaker 6: Hear the fear in his voice, and I told him

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Speaker 1: Can you imagine all the times my students, my children,

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Speaker 1: so many other school shootings. Take a listen Embrace yourself

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Speaker 11: We're not taking that list right out.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, bro, he said, bro red flags.

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Speaker 10: Hold on your phone.

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Speaker 1: You can hear the student's hustling and rustling trying to

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Speaker 1: what we know right now. Spencer Course and Founder, President

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Speaker 1: Doctor Jory Crausen Psychologists faculty Saint Leo University and consultant

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Speaker 1: author of Operation SOOS. Bobby Checkone twenty seven years with

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Speaker 1: the FBI and Bobby Chicone dot com. Doctor Tim Gallagher

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Speaker 1: did you hear that mother saying she was telling her

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Speaker 6: Juliana was fifteen, Tate is seventh, was seventeen, and Justin

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Speaker 6: Yet two of them couldn't even drop.

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Speaker 1: mom and dad of Ethan Crumley demand evidence against them

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Speaker 1: Crumley their son's school shooting. Alexis Teresschuk. There were a

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Speaker 12: A lieutenant provided new details about the shooting.

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Speaker 12: Shooting at students, then barricading themselves in classrooms behind stacks

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Speaker 1: What were the officers say?

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Speaker 12: They have a journal written by Ethan Crumbley taken from

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Speaker 12: The prosecutor saying the teenager planned the mass shooting.

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Speaker 4: It was absolutely Premeditaty.

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Speaker 12: The teenager and his parents had spoken with school officials

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Speaker 1: Concerning behavior in class. Alexis Tereshchak. What concerning behavior in class?

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Speaker 6: A teacher saw that he had done a drawing, even

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Speaker 1: I'm sick about it, Bobby. I'm sick, and I know

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Speaker 1: I appreciated the choir right here, right now because everybody

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Speaker 1: But Whaby Chacon, I mean, you were one of the FEDS,

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Speaker 1: It's a six hour take a listen to our cut seventeen.

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Speaker 14: James Crumbley purchased a six hour nine millimeter model SP

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Speaker 14: on November twenty six, twenty twenty one. A store employee

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Speaker 1: End quote, and they posted that. Explain that to me,

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Speaker 1: Okay, so, Aunlexis Truschuk, I understand how you feel about

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Speaker 1: in this country, it's not a crime to keep guns

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Speaker 1: Back to you, Alexis Teresschuk, what were there ages? Again?

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Speaker 6: Anna was fourteen, Tate was sixteen, Justin was seventeen, and

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Speaker 1: Sorry, you know, Alexis, When I heard the audio that

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Speaker 14: James and Jennifer Crumbley were immediately summoned to the school.

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Speaker 14: Counselor obtained the drawing of the shooter had already altered it.

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Speaker 1: In the last hours. The parents of school shooter Ethan

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Speaker 1: Robert Cromley demand evidence to be thrown out. What more

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Speaker 1: do we know? Is it true, Alexis Terrasshak that the

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Speaker 6: Yes, that is absolutely true. In fact, while he was

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Speaker 6: Yes, a teacher saw him on his phone searching, searching

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Speaker 1: What is that to you? Doctor Droy Crass is just

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Speaker 1: Why are you the mom her?

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Speaker 1: Why wasn't that phone taken away or some reprimand or

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Speaker 15: Well again, you go back to the Michigan law. That's

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Speaker 16: The accused shooter's behavior had raised red flags before yesterday.

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Speaker 11: It probably held anywhere between ten and fifteen bullets in

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Speaker 11: each magazine. He had extra magazine with him, which means

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Speaker 11: he was planning on killing probably a lot more people

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Speaker 11: than this. And so this is a This is a

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Speaker 11: gun that's commonly used by most criminals and law enforcement.

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Speaker 11: It is a very effective weapon, especially especially a close

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Speaker 11: range like he was shooting.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. School shooter Ethan Crumbley detailed

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Speaker 1: a plan to stalk, rape, torture, and kill a female classmate.

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Speaker 1: Did his parents know? We do know that the mom

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Speaker 1: and dad, James and Jennifer Crumbley, met with school administrators

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Speaker 1: on the morning of the shooting to discuss violent drawings

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Speaker 1: he made just hours before his violent rampage, but the

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Speaker 1: parents dismissed the concerns and left without taking him home

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Speaker 1: for the rampage to start. Quote the thoughts won't stop,

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Speaker 1: Ethan Crumbley wrote beneath the drawing of a gun. He

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Speaker 1: also wrote help me. Above the drawing of a bullet.

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Speaker 1: He wrote blood everywhere. Further down the page lots of

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Speaker 1: words and phrases, including my life is useless. During this

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Speaker 1: school meeting, the parents were there when teen shooter Ethan

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Speaker 1: Crumley convinced the school officials. During this meeting that the

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Speaker 1: disturbing drawings were just for a quote video game. His

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Speaker 1: parents quote flatly refused to take him home, says the

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Speaker 1: local prosecutor. I'm looking at the drawings right now. They're

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Speaker 1: very disturbing. According to prosecutors, Ethan Cromley planned the shooting

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Speaker 1: in detail and carried out his actions without showing any

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Speaker 1: remorse at the time extensive planning. He even put toilet

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Speaker 1: paper in his ears to protect his own hearing. Before

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Speaker 1: the shooting, he researched and knew what kind of weapon

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Speaker 1: he needed and determined the one his parents had already

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Speaker 1: given him would not suit for the job. So he

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Speaker 1: advocated for a higher power firearm with more deadly bullets,

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Speaker 1: and then he practiced. He actually went to a shooting

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Speaker 1: range and the parents knew this. Cromley's defense argued at

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Speaker 1: trial he had signs of severe mental illness years before

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Speaker 1: the shooting, and his parents nor the school did anything

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Speaker 1: to help him. That's all going to be blowback on

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Speaker 1: the parents at their trial. Take a listen to our

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Speaker 1: twenty six seven Action News Tonight.

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Speaker 17: The US Marshalls posted a ten thousand dollars reward in

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Speaker 17: the case. James and Jennifer Crumbley are wanted on charges

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Speaker 17: of involuntary manslaughter and the mass shooting that put their

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Speaker 17: fifteen year old son behind bars. The search goes on

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Speaker 17: as thousands gathered in Oxford tonight to mourn the tragic

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Speaker 17: loss of life at the high school on Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: And now we learned the US Marshals get in on it.

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Speaker 1: That means they're on the run.

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Speaker 2: On the run.

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Speaker 1: That's what the US Marshals do. They are government bounty.

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Speaker 1: When you get the US Marshalls on your tail, you're

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Speaker 1: in trouble. Tell me about them going on the rhinal

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Speaker 1: license for rest shot.

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Speaker 6: So the shooting took place on Tuesday, Thursday afternoon. The

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Speaker 6: police were still observing them. They had had kept an

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Speaker 6: eye on the family the whole time. They the mom

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Speaker 6: and dad had actually moved into a hotel because there

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Speaker 6: were probably so many people at their home, so they

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Speaker 6: were at a hotel. Everybody kept an eye on them.

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Speaker 6: Friday morning, nothing had been announced. There have been no

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Speaker 6: charges announced. The police stopped their surveillance of the couple.

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Speaker 6: Shortly thereafter, the prosecutor announced the charges and there they

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Speaker 6: prosecutor I believe had spoken to the police officer and

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Speaker 6: they were given I'm sorry, I spoken to the defense attorney.

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Speaker 6: They were given a four o'clock deadline to turn themselves in.

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Speaker 6: Four o'clock came and went. They did not turn themselves in,

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Speaker 6: and in fact, the sheriff then said at this point

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Speaker 6: there was no contact with them at all. The sheriff

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Speaker 6: said he went on television to a news challenge said,

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Speaker 6: we have not heard from them. They have turned off

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Speaker 6: their cell phone and their attorneys have not been able

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Speaker 6: to reach them, which meant that there was no communication.

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Speaker 6: So that's when they put out the I guess they're

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Speaker 6: calling it a bolo Beyond the lookout. The US Marshall's

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Speaker 6: offered the ten thousand dollars reward Friday night. They are still.

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Speaker 1: Missing Troy Slayton. It's just like Gilaine Maxwell who goes

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Speaker 1: on the run nobody can find or she's posting false

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Speaker 1: les like at an in and out Burger in LA

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Speaker 1: when she's really hiding out in Hampshire. And what does

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Speaker 1: that say about a parent willing to run for the

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Speaker 1: Canadian border when their son needs them more than he's

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Speaker 1: ever needed them in his whole life. Take a listen

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Speaker 1: to Megan Fitzgeryl NBC this morning.

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Speaker 5: James and Jennifer Crumbly are in Cunstandy after an hour's

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Speaker 5: long manhunt led to their arrest overnight.

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Speaker 14: Vehicle is a black here, It's the kind of a

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Speaker 14: vehicle on the two parents of the I hurt situation.

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Speaker 5: The couple found hiding in a commercial building after police

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Speaker 5: received a.

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Speaker 9: Ten They certainly appears be.

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Speaker 5: Distressed authority, say, the parents have accused Michigan school shooter

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Speaker 5: Ethan crumbly failed to show up for their arraignment Friday.

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Speaker 1: They're finally captured hours later, and he's charged with involuntary manslaughter.

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Speaker 1: You know, a gun control expert say, the move to

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Speaker 1: charge the parents is almost unheard of. What do you

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Speaker 1: make of the charges, Troy Slayton.

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Speaker 15: Well, Michigan doesn't have the child access prevention laws, So

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Speaker 15: if they didn't do anything illegal, then the government will

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Speaker 15: have to show. Prosecutors at their trial will have to

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Speaker 15: prove that they acted so recklessly, so beyond the pale,

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Speaker 15: that any other normal, average, reasonable person would do that

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Speaker 15: a person would know that acting so recklessly would lead

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Speaker 15: to someone's death.

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Speaker 1: Would you agree that it's very rare for parents to

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Speaker 1: be charged?

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Speaker 15: This is very rare.

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Speaker 1: You are saying that in Michigan there isn't a what

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Speaker 1: kind of statue did you say, No.

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Speaker 15: Child success prevention laws with regard to firearms, no rule

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Speaker 15: that they have to keep guns locked up, ammunition separate away,

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Speaker 15: whether when there's a child in the house, for example,

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Speaker 15: in California where I live. In New York, in many

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Speaker 15: other states, it's illegal if you have a child in

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Speaker 15: the house or a child come visit that.

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Speaker 1: Surey certainly are not suggesting that because there's not a

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Speaker 1: black and white statute, that they still did not know

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Speaker 1: that the other students were in danger after reading that

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Speaker 1: note and knowing he had access to a brand new

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Speaker 1: sig so hour.

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Speaker 15: By that same argument, Nancy, the school officials should know.

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Speaker 15: Are we also going to charge the system we had

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Speaker 15: a gun, but they knew that there was something that

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Speaker 15: was so alarming that he was searching ammunition that they

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Speaker 15: thought to take him out of class temporarily and then

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Speaker 15: put him back in the class.

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Speaker 1: You're artfully avoiding my question. I didn't ask you about them.

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Speaker 1: I asked you about the parents, and by your avoiding

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Speaker 1: the topic, I assume that you agree with me. You know,

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Speaker 1: the district superintendent informed the parents and staff members Saturday

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Speaker 1: that the parents never told the school he had access

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Speaker 1: to a gun. What do you make of that, Troy.

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Speaker 15: I don't know how the gun was stored inside the house.

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Speaker 15: There were some There are some reports that the gun

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Speaker 15: was locked. Maybe the kid found a key and got

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Speaker 15: access to it. We don't know yet what measures the

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Speaker 15: parents took to secure the firearm. We don't know whether

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Speaker 15: they handed it to the kid on a silver platter,

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Speaker 15: or whether somehow the kid went around some sort of

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Speaker 15: system there had in place.

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Speaker 7: We do know that within minutes of the shooting, the

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Speaker 7: father pulled nine one one and said, he thinks his

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Speaker 7: son might have a gun. I mean, the father made

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Speaker 7: that act. That's an act that the father did that

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Speaker 7: show that he knew it was very likely that he

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Speaker 7: saw and that had that weapon. He made a nine

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Speaker 7: one call for that effect.

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Speaker 1: Alexis Treshaw. Where were the parents found exactly?

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Speaker 6: They were found in a commercial building. It was actually

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Speaker 6: an art gallery is where they were found. But they

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Speaker 6: were hiding in a locked room inside the gallery.

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Speaker 1: Ing in a locker room inside a gallery. Now I

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Speaker 1: understand the owner of the gallery claims he didn't know

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Speaker 1: anything about this.

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Speaker 6: He did, you know, Well, he's the artist. I believe

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Speaker 6: someone else owns the whole building. He's an artist. He

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Speaker 6: said that when they called him, they said, we are

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Speaker 6: getting death threats. Can we come there? And he said yes.

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Speaker 6: He said this was before any charges were filed against him.

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Speaker 6: They were there, he left. He said he expected them

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Speaker 6: to leave. He didn't know anything about the charges that

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Speaker 6: were filed.

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Speaker 1: The victims Hannah Saint, Juliana Tate, Meyer, Madison Baldwin, Justin

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Speaker 1: Schilling as young as fourteen years old, gunned down dead

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Speaker 1: in their school. Then seven other students were shot and lived.

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Speaker 1: A seventeen year old girl gunshot wound to the chest, critical.

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Speaker 1: A fourteen year old girl gunshot wound left chest and neck.

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Speaker 1: Seventeen year old girl gunshot wound to the neck, fourteen

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Speaker 1: year old boy shot. Fifteen year old boy gunshot wound

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Speaker 1: to the left leg, seventeen year old boy gunshot wound

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Speaker 1: to the hip, a forty seven year old teacher gunshot

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Speaker 1: wound to the left shoulder. I want to go out

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Speaker 1: to special guests joining us. Doctor Jeffrey M. Jensen, Clinical

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Speaker 1: Emeritis Professor Pathology, University Michigan. Doctor Jensen, thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us with the murder victims Hannah, Tate, Madison,

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Speaker 1: and Justin. How long do you believe they would have

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Speaker 1: been aware after the shooting of what was going on

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Speaker 1: around then? Typically was unshot.

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Speaker 8: Wounds that are fatal and either striking in the order

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Speaker 8: or heart or lungs. A person has conscious pain and

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Speaker 8: suffering for at least thirty seconds or so. It takes

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Speaker 8: that long for the oxygen content to decline enough for

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Speaker 8: the person to go into a coma, and so it

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Speaker 8: typically an individual will have about thirty seconds worth of

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Speaker 8: oxygen and consciousness in a gunshot wound that basically spares

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Speaker 8: the head and neck area. And I would like to

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Speaker 8: comment that even wounds to the extremities are particularly potentially

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Speaker 8: fatal if they strike major arteries, and that there is

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Speaker 8: not immediate medical care available.

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Speaker 1: Such as the thermal artery and the leg of course,

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Speaker 1: the jugular right obviously. And I noticed doctor Jitson that

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Speaker 1: several of these victims were shot in the neck, and

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Speaker 1: I wonder if the purp was trying to shoot them

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Speaker 1: in the head and got them in the neck. But

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Speaker 1: there are shootings. For instance, when you take a GSW

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Speaker 1: gunshot wound to say your chest, and you don't bleed

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Speaker 1: out immediately, but year lung slowly are filling up with

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Speaker 1: blood and spitting it up. It's coming out your nose

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Speaker 1: in your mouth. That takes a little bit longer to dye.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Jensen.

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Speaker 8: Yes, if the wound itself is not fatal, but then

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Speaker 8: there's blood or a hemorrhage that accumulates into the airways,

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Speaker 8: the person could dive from a prolonged DYSTIXI or a

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Speaker 8: lack of oxygen because of the obstruction of the airways.

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Speaker 1: And imagining as young as fourteen, Hannah lying in the floor,

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Speaker 1: knowing some what's happening around her, Everybody running and screaming,

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Speaker 1: her parents are there, nobody's there with her, and she

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Speaker 1: dies in the floor of the school like that? Why

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Speaker 1: In the last hours, lawyers for the mom and dad

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Speaker 1: of Ethan Crumley demand Evan's against them in court be

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Speaker 1: thrown out what exactly happened.

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Speaker 18: Even though Jennifer Crumley's attorneys are asking the court to

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Speaker 18: dismiss three victim witnesses, saying their testimony is irrelevant to

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Speaker 18: the charges against the parents. They say it would only

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Speaker 18: confuse the jury, But a judge has ruled that two

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Speaker 18: eye witnesses to Ethan Crumbley's shooting spree will be allowed

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Speaker 18: to testify at the upcoming trials. In addition, the jury

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Speaker 18: will be allowed to see video footage of the rampage.

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Speaker 18: The witnesses are the teacher who was shot in the arms,

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Speaker 18: principle who encountered the shooter in the Hallway. The judge ruled, quote,

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Speaker 18: all evidence offered by parties is prejudicial to some extent,

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Speaker 18: but the fear of prejudice does not generally render the

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Speaker 18: evidence inadmissible. The judge did set some limits, however, regarding

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Speaker 18: the eyewitness testimony. Specifically, the judge will prohibit the witnesses

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Speaker 18: from testifying about any aid they gave to victims or

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Speaker 18: discussing any emotional trauma they have endured because of what happened.

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Speaker 18: The eyewitness testimony will focus only on the identification of

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Speaker 18: the shooter and the gun that was used in the massacre,

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Speaker 18: the location of the weapon, and any observations made by

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Speaker 18: the witnesses about the shooter. Ethan Crumley, who was fifteen

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Speaker 18: at the time of the shooting, pleaded guilty and is

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Speaker 18: serving a life sentence without the possibility of parole. His

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Speaker 18: parents have been jailed now for more than two years

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Speaker 18: and are facing separate trials, which should begin later this month.

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Speaker 18: It's not been determined who will go on trial first.

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Speaker 18: If convicted, they face up to fifteen years in prison.

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Speaker 1: We wait as just as unfoals. Goodbye friend,