1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:02,559 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 2 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 2: Convicted killer Brian Coburger says, I owe the victims nothing. 3 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: This as Coburger is. 4 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 2: Cost price a shopping at Costco and at a coffee 5 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:24,240 Speaker 2: shop immediately after the murders. 6 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: So let me understand. 7 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:31,479 Speaker 2: He has pled guilty to slaughtering four people that he 8 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 2: thought he would find a sleep in their beds after 9 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 2: he had dreamed about raping comatose women, and then after 10 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 2: slaughtering them, leaving the scene, boiling himself in the shower. 11 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 1: He goes to Costco to Price shop. 12 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. I want to 13 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. 14 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 3: And I don't know. 15 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:06,400 Speaker 4: I'm okay, no way me these stairs which she found 16 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,839 Speaker 4: those stairs? Maybe she was listen. 17 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 2: First, I want to make sure I've got my facts 18 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 2: straight before I go out to a forensic psychologist. Alside Paganelli, 19 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,479 Speaker 2: Susan Hendricks is joining me investigative journalists. 20 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 1: She's on the Coburger case from the get go. 21 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,119 Speaker 2: She is the author of a brand new book, Down 22 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 2: the heel My Descent into the Double Murder in Delphi. Susan, 23 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 2: I just want to make sure I understand this. The 24 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 2: timeline here and McDonough jump in if you know better, Susan, 25 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:49,559 Speaker 2: Brian Coburger, We're not just supposing, We're not hypothesizing. Brian 26 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 2: Coberger admitted pled guilty to four murders. 27 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: They were worse than murders. 28 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 2: They were slaughters of four innocent college students University Idaho. 29 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: And now do I have this right, Susan Hendrix. 30 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 2: He then goes home, boils himself in the shower, takes 31 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 2: a few selfies. 32 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: Hey, control room, can I. 33 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 2: See the shower selfies he took like an hour after 34 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 2: he gets home to his apartment in Pullman with the 35 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 2: thumbs up, all fresh and clean from the quadruple murder. 36 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 2: And then he goes out to Costco to price shop 37 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 2: and get an expensive cup of coffee. 38 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: Do I have that right, Susan Hendricks. 39 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 5: Yes, And by the way, before taking that selfie, he 40 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 5: goes back to the crime scene a little after nine am. 41 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 5: Was it to look for the evidence he left behind? 42 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 6: And we do know that he. 43 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,639 Speaker 5: Called his mother as well, But Raight just goes into Costco. 44 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 5: He wasn't able to get inside. I don't know if 45 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 5: he didn't know you needed a card to get in. 46 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 5: But he's just acting like it's a normal day after slaughtering, 47 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 5: as you said, for college students. 48 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, you need a car to get into cost Co. 49 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going to show you the video of him 50 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 2: and Costco. He is drinking out of a water there he. 51 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: Goes and watch this. 52 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 2: Yep, hide that left hand, Hide that he keeps that 53 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 2: in his left pocket. I'm surprised he didn't go off 54 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:18,799 Speaker 2: on the female Costco person, the diminutive lady there. 55 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: With the blonde ponytail. He's like, what, I need a 56 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: car to get in Costco? 57 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:22,959 Speaker 2: Yeah? 58 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 1: Co Burger, you need a card, it says Costco. Want it. 59 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 1: Alison Paganelli joining us on board. 60 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 2: A certified forensic psychologist affiliated with Park Deets and Associates, 61 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 2: eighteen years of experience. Alison, I'm not a shrink. I'm 62 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 2: just a JD. But who goes from a slaughterhouse where 63 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 2: you murder four people to price shopping in Costco. 64 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 7: Well, it's hard to say why he was doing those 65 00:03:56,640 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 7: things right after slaughtering college students. Could have been trying 66 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 7: to get some security footage of him looking. 67 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 6: Like just a regular guy. 68 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 7: He might have been kind of sniffing around to see 69 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 7: if anybody recognized him or had tied him to the crime. 70 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 6: Yet it is unusual order. 71 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: The mind of someone that could pull this off. But 72 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 1: he bought up a really good point. 73 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 2: I'm gonna circle back to you because I got to 74 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 2: go throw this to Eric Fattus. Eric Fattus is a 75 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 2: veteran criminal defense attorney joining us TV Legal analyst founding 76 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 2: partner Varner Fattus, Elite legal, and former Fellony prosecutor. 77 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 1: We know what he was doing, fattest. I believe Alison. 78 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 2: Took me quite literally. I want her to go into 79 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 2: the mind like, who can do that? Fattus? 80 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: Clearly he's trying to establish an alibi. 81 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 2: See him all clean and crisp and bright and shiny 82 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 2: here in Costco. 83 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: Who could do that? Well? 84 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:55,239 Speaker 2: Him, he could do that because we know he's already 85 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 2: admitted to doing it. But he was trying to establish 86 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 2: an alibi. And now I've got the footage to show it. 87 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 8: Yeah, Nancy, I mean when it comes to an alibi, 88 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 8: you have to be seen by someone, you have to 89 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 8: have an alibi witness, you have to have some evidence 90 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 8: that you were somewhere else, and so yeah, it makes 91 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 8: sense strategically to try and go out and be seen 92 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 8: and be on camera and find people who view you 93 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 8: who would say, hey, yeah, I saw him at Costco. 94 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 8: He couldn't have been conducting these heinous murders, you know, 95 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 8: moments before this. I think that was likely his intention 96 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 8: and his alibi, and the case was garbage, and this 97 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 8: was kind of a trash attempt at accomplishing that as well. 98 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 2: And then it didn't work because Dingjong didn't know you 99 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 2: have to have a card to go sauntering around the 100 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:45,799 Speaker 2: aisles at Costco and taste all the samples. It didn't work, 101 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 2: so we had to leave and get another alibi where 102 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 2: he could be lingering. So where did he go? A 103 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 2: coffee kiosk? Let's see that one control room. He goes 104 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 2: into what looks like a grocery store, headed straight for 105 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 2: I think to be a Starbucks kiosk, wearing the same 106 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 2: outfit as we saw before. There he goes Okay, back 107 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 2: to Allison Paganelli joining us for certified forensic Psychologists. So 108 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 2: what I'm asking you is how do you switch gears 109 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 2: like that? Most people would be upset about what had 110 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 2: just happened. I mean, I've mentioned this before. I've seen 111 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 2: Rookie Copps vomit on a murder scene where there was 112 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 2: just one dead body, much less four people slaughtered. I mean, 113 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 2: for Pete's sake, Killy Gonsovas was disfigured. She was stabbed 114 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 2: over thirty times in the face, and then he is 115 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 2: all right and shiny going into Costco. What kind of 116 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 2: mind can do that? 117 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: Well? 118 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 7: I first I want to say I've never met Brian Colberger. 119 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 1: I've never evaluated him. 120 00:06:54,920 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 7: But for some people who meet criteria for a psychopathic personality, 121 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 7: it research has shown that the part in their brain, 122 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 7: the amygdala, which is activated when something's highly emotional, that 123 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 7: they're amygdalah, doesn't function like the rest of us. They're 124 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 7: they're not as scared of things as we are. I 125 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 7: do find it odd that he was involved in such 126 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 7: a physical crime and then to go, as you said, 127 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 7: casually saunter around these stores. You know, the adrenaline alone 128 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 7: you would think would keep him from doing that. But 129 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 7: clearly this is planful behavior. And it's not that he 130 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 7: was you know, numbed out and didn't know what he did. 131 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 7: This was, you know, a plan for an alibi. But 132 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 7: let's just say his amygdala wasn't firing as it should 133 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 7: have been. 134 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: Again. I'm not diagnosing him with anything. 135 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 6: I've never met him, but that's my best guess. 136 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 2: Chris mcdonna joining us to JIC Cold Case Foundation, former 137 00:07:55,920 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 2: homicide detective with over three hundred homicides under his belt, 138 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 2: Star of the Interview Room on YouTube. Chris, I hear 139 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 2: what Alison Paganelli is saying about the Amigdala. 140 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: Don't care. I don't even really know what that means. 141 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 2: She's saying a part of his brain doesn't fire, in 142 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 2: other words, to function the way ours does. That it 143 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 2: is not legal insanity, that's not even a meddal defect. 144 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 2: I hear her. I don't doubt her, but I mean 145 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 2: balls the size of coconuts. That's how I would diagnose it. 146 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:40,319 Speaker 1: Because this guy admits we know he did it. He 147 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: admitted in. 148 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 2: Court he slaughtered four people, three girls. 149 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: And one sleeping guy. 150 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:55,599 Speaker 2: And now he's, as I said, sauntering through the aisles. 151 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 2: He's going into a grocery store for coffee because that 152 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 2: first first alibi thing didn't work out, where he wanted 153 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 2: to go up and down the aisles of Costco and 154 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 2: get caught on every single surveillance camera they've got. So 155 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 2: then he had to go somewhere else. I mean, what 156 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 2: is this guy? 157 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 9: He is also continuing to make conscious decisions, Nancy. If 158 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:22,199 Speaker 9: you notice when he comes into Costco, his shirt is untucked, 159 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 9: it's disheveled, his right rear pocket is inside out. You know, 160 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 9: did he play a game like, oh, I forgot my wallet. 161 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 9: But then when you see him at the coffee shop, 162 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 9: he has made a decision to tuck in his shirt 163 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 9: and walk through that coffee shop. So he is consciously 164 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 9: thinking about his appearance. And I still believe you know, 165 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 9: at this moment he's playing a game. 166 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: What game? 167 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 10: The game of? 168 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 9: You know you're not going to catch me? And this 169 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 9: goes towards his consciousness of guilt that he's thinking through 170 00:09:58,440 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 9: every move that he makes. 171 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: Mm hmmm hm. 172 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 2: He could have argued you a jury, Look how clean 173 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 2: and pristine I am after a bloodbath. 174 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: Nobody could pull this off. 175 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 2: You've got the wrong guy. I was at Costco, sitting 176 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 2: in the parking lot when this happen. Whatever he wanted 177 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 2: to say, but that's why he's there. But the Costco 178 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 2: thing didn't work out. When the attendant told him he 179 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 2: couldn't get in, he would have probably spent an hour 180 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 2: in there trying to look like a normal person. 181 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Guys. 182 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 2: Also, we are learning that Kelli Gounsovs's sister confronts the prosecutor, 183 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 2: Bill Thompson that dropped the ball and whipped out on 184 00:10:56,320 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 2: the death penalty, about what really happened to her sister. 185 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: Listen. 186 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:06,719 Speaker 11: Olivia Gonsolves asked Bill Thompson if there's any possibility the 187 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 11: victims autopsy photos could wind up plastered across the internet, 188 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 11: and Thompson warns her of his. 189 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: Fears of a leaker in their department who has yet 190 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: to be caught. 191 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 11: Olivia makes the difficult decision to view the state's exhibits 192 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 11: from Kaylee's autopsy, wanting to be prepared in case she 193 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 11: ever ran into them. Unexpectedly, Olivia learns that what she 194 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 11: was led to believe were defensive wounds may have been 195 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 11: something else. 196 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 2: Entirely, something else entirely not defensive wounds. In a nutshell 197 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 2: to Chris McDonough, you've seen defensive wounds on murder victims, 198 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 2: probably since. 199 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:43,319 Speaker 1: The day one. 200 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 2: They can be on your arms, your hands when you 201 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 2: try to fight off an attacker, if the victim goes 202 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 2: into a fetal position. 203 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: You will see defensive wounds. 204 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 2: Even on their knees and their legs where they're trying 205 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 2: to curl up and fight off the attacker. What defensive 206 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 2: woos would you have expected on the victims in this case. 207 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 9: You would see them on their hands, because you know 208 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 9: they're placing their hands up into a position to prevent 209 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 9: you know, a knife. In this case, you would probably 210 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 9: get them here on the four arms as well, and 211 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 9: you'd be able to tell, you know, post mortem, if 212 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 9: they were post mortem or if they actually occurred during 213 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 9: the homicide itself. 214 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 2: So now we are hearing physical slace family that some 215 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 2: of the wounds may have been interpreted as defensive, but 216 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 2: they're not listen. 217 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 3: I don't want to be doing this, but no one 218 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 3: on the state side standing up and giving details like this. 219 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 3: And I get it to some extent, but he's creating 220 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 3: like massive amounts of chaos. The guy order protected an 221 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 3: absolute monster. It's disgusting. 222 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 12: Olivia Gonzabz lies Idaho for a face to face meeting 223 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 12: with Bill Thompson to get answers to lingering questions about 224 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 12: her sister's murder. The prosecutor goes over the full list 225 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 12: of Kaylee's wounds with Olivia and that to discuss his 226 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 12: decision not to take the case to trial. Olivia and 227 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 12: her family still do not agree with the plea deal, you. 228 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 2: Know, Susan Hendrix. To think that the sister of Kale Gosauvace. Oh, 229 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 2: by the way, some of that was from Olivia gosface 230 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 2: on TikTok has to get on a plane at her 231 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 2: own expense and fly to ask the prosecutor questions because 232 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 2: she can't get answers about what happened to her sister. 233 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: That's crime and shame. 234 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, we're coming up on three years, Nancy, and to 235 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 5: think they still don't have the answers they want. And 236 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 5: what comes out of Bill Thompson's mouth always shocks me. 237 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 5: What do you mean they could be leaked? What about 238 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 5: the guy orders? So Olivia decides, I'm going to go 239 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 5: there by myself, take control. Look at the photos just 240 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 5: in case third leak that happened in del Fi, it 241 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 5: can happen. So she looked at her sister. If you 242 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 5: can imagine apt thirty four times. Some of the wounds, 243 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 5: as Chris was saying, there's some defensive wounds, some of 244 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 5: them were not defensive, investigators are saying, and they told 245 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 5: her they could be experimental. I think the minute he 246 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 5: got on campus in Washington State, he was obsessed with 247 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 5: committing this crime. And I believe it that they could 248 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 5: be quote unquote experimental. 249 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: Listen to Olivia go. Some of the. 250 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 3: Wounds that were made the Kayley were described as experimental. 251 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: So a wound that might typically. 252 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 3: And its presentation looked defensive might not have necessarily been 253 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 3: defensive because at some point he was inflicting wounds that 254 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 3: I mean, any logical person would know wouldn't be fatal. 255 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 3: So I don't want to speculate on you know, what 256 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 3: exactly he was doing, whether it was to you know, 257 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 3: just cause pain or whatnot. 258 00:14:55,240 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 2: But yeah, that's from Olivia gonsolvice TikTok. Now, let's analyze it. 259 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 2: She just said some of the wounds made to her 260 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 2: sister Keeley were described as quote experimental. It could have 261 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 2: presented as a defensive wound, but now the theory is 262 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 2: they were experimental, in other words, inflicting wounds that anyone 263 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 2: would know are not fatal for what the joy of 264 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 2: causing the pain? 265 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: With us renowned board. 266 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 2: Certified forensic pathologists, anatomic pathologist, doctor Priya Banergye with anchor 267 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 2: Forensic pathology consulting Doctor Priya, thank you for being with us. 268 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 2: What are experimental wounds and how can you identify them 269 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 2: or differentiate them from defensive wounds? 270 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: You really have to. 271 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 6: Look at why were there so many wounds? 272 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 13: And the most important thing is, as Chris mcdonna said, 273 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 13: you can differentiate anti mortem wounds meaning when she was 274 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 13: physiologically alive. 275 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 6: To post more to wounds, right. 276 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 13: Which means whether there's bleeding with the wounds or not. 277 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 13: And then we get into how deep are they and 278 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 13: are they injurious or are they almost like a torture right, 279 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 13: so very superficial repeated wounds. 280 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 6: We see that in torture cases. 281 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 13: But now if they don't have bleeding with them, is 282 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:26,479 Speaker 13: he getting some sort of joy by just repeatedly stabbing 283 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 13: her or hurting her. 284 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 6: Even if she's basically passed away. 285 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 2: Experimental wounds are typically injuries created in a controlled setting, 286 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 2: for instance, to study wound healing or test therapies like 287 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 2: tissue repair or blood coagulation or inflammation. 288 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 1: But to you, Chris. 289 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 2: McDonough, that's not why experimental wounds were inflicted in this case, is. 290 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 9: No, not at all, Nancy. And you know what's probably 291 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 9: occurring here is, remember he is executing his fantasy and 292 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:19,160 Speaker 9: nothing is going his way. And so the fact that 293 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 9: if those are post mortem wounds, as doctor Pria was 294 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:27,719 Speaker 9: talking about, then you would expect to kind of connect 295 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 9: that either a to his fantasy or b to his 296 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 9: learning for the next victim, i e. If he got 297 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 9: away with this, he would try to do something else 298 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 9: to the next victim because he just learned from these 299 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 9: four victims. 300 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 2: So the point, I guess, Susan Hendricks would be that 301 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 2: many of the wounds on the victims were quote experimental wounds, 302 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 2: wounds that Kyburger would know would not cause death, but 303 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 2: they would cause extreme pain, like the thirty stabs to 304 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 2: Cally's face. 305 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I still don't understand how. 306 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 2: The prosecutor thought it was a good idea not to 307 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 2: seek the maximum penalty in this case, at least present 308 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 2: the death penalty to the jury when we now understand 309 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 2: these were not defensive wounds, they were experimental wounds to 310 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:23,120 Speaker 2: inflict pain, specifically before he murdered them. 311 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 5: I mean, it just gets more shocking the more we 312 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 5: find out. I believe there was a narrative that they 313 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 5: were spreading early on. As you know, the coroner, we 314 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:35,679 Speaker 5: really never hear them interviewed covering these stories, and she said, oh, 315 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 5: they were all asleep. I remember that soon after. 316 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: No, they weren't. 317 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 5: The narrative wasn't even close to that. And now we're 318 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 5: hearing he had time for experimental and Xanichernodle stabbed fifty times. 319 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:49,439 Speaker 1: What went on in that house? 320 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 5: I believe we'll never know the full extent of it, 321 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 5: but boy are we learning coming up on three years. 322 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,479 Speaker 3: These wounds didn't necessarily make a lot of sense. They 323 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 3: were described to me as experimental, and on Kaylee specifically, 324 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 3: there was evidence that he continued the attack after she 325 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 3: was no longer even even fighting back. So just in 326 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 3: light of that, just because there was a wound on 327 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 3: a hand, or wound on a forearm, or wound on 328 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:30,679 Speaker 3: you know, a risk, these really really classic defensive places. Unfortunately, 329 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 3: we just can't make that assumption. 330 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:34,880 Speaker 1: From Olivia go on solvice on TikTok. 331 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 5: I remember I was in my room, am I turning 332 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 5: into bed and. 333 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 2: I heard Kaylee heard go. 334 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 5: Upstairs and okay, I'm gonna go to state. 335 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 4: Now you go upstairs to see in gostairs Kaylee and Dowdy. 336 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 6: He's not waking up. 337 00:19:56,520 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 2: Convicted quadrupe will killer Brian Coberg are sauntering through Costco 338 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:07,439 Speaker 2: and toward a coffee Kiosk within hours after slaughtering four 339 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 2: beautiful University Idaho students, And now we are learning wounds 340 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 2: to the bodies were experimental. In other words, those wounds 341 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 2: are not defensive. They were inflicted by Coburger simply to 342 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 2: cause pain, not to kill. 343 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:28,719 Speaker 1: Those were the other mortal wounds. These wounds were just 344 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:30,199 Speaker 1: for the fun of it. 345 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:37,199 Speaker 3: Listen, and even if they were, the body reacts and 346 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 3: there's reflexes to you know, protect your face, your head, 347 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 3: your neck. It doesn't mean that someone wasn't wasn't sleeping beforehand, 348 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 3: or you know, was just briefly woken. 349 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, that's Olivia Goosavis on TikTok, Kelly's sister. 350 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 2: But even given the fact that we now know many 351 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:08,159 Speaker 2: of the wounds, the knife wounds were just to amuse Coburger, 352 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 2: to inflict pain on his victims. They weren't even fighting 353 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:17,120 Speaker 2: back anymore. He just did it for his own amusement. 354 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 2: Even knowing that he is now saying I owe the 355 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:24,919 Speaker 2: victims and their families. 356 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 14: Nothing listen, Bill Thompson's plea deal isn't keeping Brian Coberger 357 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 14: as quietly locked away as originally hoped. The convicted quadruple 358 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 14: murder is now contesting his financial restitution to the victims. 359 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:39,640 Speaker 14: He argues he should not have to pay the victims' 360 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 14: families because they benefited from several GoFundMe pages and did 361 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 14: not suffer economic loss. Coburger also points out, even if 362 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,360 Speaker 14: he wanted to pay, he has no way to raise 363 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 14: the funds, seeing as he will spend the rest of 364 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 14: his natural life behind bars. 365 00:21:55,200 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 2: Okay, what after all the pain and suffering he had caused. 366 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,639 Speaker 2: Susan Hendrick's investigative reporter, he's now saying I owe the 367 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 2: victims nothing. 368 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 5: It's despicable. Recently, Stacy Chapin, Ethan Chapin's mom, says soon 369 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 5: after the murder, she stood outside of that house knowing 370 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 5: her son was inside. And in the court documents he 371 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 5: see that Ethan was stabbed more there were some wounds 372 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 5: on his hands. It's not clear for it happened that night, 373 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 5: but think about the excruciating pain they all are going 374 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 5: through to this day. It'll never go away, and he's 375 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 5: mentioning gofundmes. Yeah, he doesn't have a job in prison, 376 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 5: but why mention the gofundmes and still trying to bring 377 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 5: down the families of what he did? I don't think 378 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 5: obviously clearly he's not sorry at all, and it's disgusting. 379 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 2: What what is that joining me? Eric Fattus, veterans trial lawyer, 380 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 2: defense attorney. How do his lawyers even let him make 381 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:55,719 Speaker 2: this statement? I owe the victims nothing? And now contesting 382 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 2: He's got his lawyers on board. They're contesting that he 383 00:22:58,680 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 2: owes restitution. 384 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 8: Yeah, and I'm clearly a touchy issue in an egregious 385 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 8: case here, but you know, in terms of our system, 386 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 8: we've got to make sure we're being fair to both sides, 387 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 8: even somebody who's unpopular, even somebody who might be seen 388 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 8: as despicable. You know, his lawyers are arguing that there 389 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,880 Speaker 8: is a plea agreement which is essentially a contract which 390 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 8: which dictates the restitution he has to pay, and these 391 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 8: travel expenses are not included in that. Further, he's saying that, hey, 392 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 8: these folks did not have an actual economic loss because 393 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 8: they were reimbursed from the GoFundMe. Pages and so that 394 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 8: would essentially be like a double dipping situation. So, you know, 395 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 8: a touchy argument to me, I couldn't got to go 396 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 8: to bed for their. 397 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 2: Cler actually accusing the four victims' families of double dipping. 398 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: I'm not personally accused of them of anything. 399 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 8: But what I'm saying is is defense is looking at 400 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 8: this as Hey, if they already got paid, then they 401 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 8: didn't suffer an actual economic loss. If they already got 402 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 8: the travel expenses reimbursed from the GoFundMe, then any additional 403 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 8: funds going to them would not be owed and would 404 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 8: not be appropriate to sort of gouge. 405 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: What about the funeral what about the funeral experiences? Fattest? 406 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: Have you thought about that? 407 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,199 Speaker 8: That part is different? That is expressly referenced within the 408 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 8: Plea agreement as an item of restitution that Coburger is 409 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,679 Speaker 8: going to have to pay. And so he talks in 410 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 8: the motion about agreeing to pay for funeral expenses that 411 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 8: he's not gonna be able to pay anyway. And believe me, 412 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 8: I'm no Coburger sympathizer, but I think I don't know that. 413 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: I don't know that hold on Sidney. 414 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 2: Summer joining me Crime stories investigative reporter Sydney. We've seen 415 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 2: over and over and over where convicted killers. 416 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 1: Make money behind bars. They may zoom. 417 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:45,160 Speaker 2: In from behind prison walls to a conference and get 418 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 2: paid for it. 419 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,400 Speaker 1: They might write a book. They might. 420 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 2: I mean, for Pete's sake, Sean Kind has been talking 421 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 2: on a cell phone, an illegal contraband cell phone behind bars, 422 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 2: says the day one they get cell phones, they get 423 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 2: devices behind bars for saying. Didn't you see Alex and 424 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:03,400 Speaker 2: Murdock shirtless selfie? 425 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 15: Oh? 426 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 2: I could have lived without that, that said Sidney, I 427 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 2: could see that happening and he would be paid. Isn't 428 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,679 Speaker 2: it true, Sidney Sumner, that in Idaho there is no 429 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 2: son of Sam law. 430 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,919 Speaker 1: They the killer can profit off their crime. 431 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 15: This man owes a lot of money. Two hundred and 432 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 15: fifty thousand dollars in state signs twenty thousand dollars to 433 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 15: each of the victims' families. The funeral expenses themselves were 434 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 15: listed as twenty eighty nine hundred and fifty six dollars, 435 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 15: and just recently the state also sought an extra twenty 436 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 15: thousand dollars for the consolves family and just under seven 437 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,880 Speaker 15: thousand dollars for Mounty Morgan's mother. Now we know that 438 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 15: the families insisted on returning all of the money they 439 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 15: received from the gofundmes, have they prepared to travel the 440 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 15: Boise for this trial, So we're not sure exactly where 441 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 15: that process stands. But the Gonzalvas family immediately commented after 442 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 15: learning the trial was not happening that they wanted to 443 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 15: return all of the crowd funded money they received from 444 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 15: the go funding. 445 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: The way around making money Number one. 446 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 2: The answer to that question is, Idaho does not have 447 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 2: a son of Sam Law. In the court proceedings, if 448 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 2: anything was mentioned that he could not quote write a 449 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 2: book or being a documentary, it's so easy to get 450 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 2: around that. And this is how it's done, Chris McDonough. 451 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 2: A straw man is set up like a shell corporation, 452 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,199 Speaker 2: and that corporation or that author, that co author is 453 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 2: paid and then money is funneled bit by bit back 454 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 2: to the defendant. 455 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 1: That's how that works. 456 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 2: But someone's right to free speech, in other words, writing 457 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 2: a blood soat documentary book that cannot be suppressed. 458 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 1: It's the making money. The judge can order it. But 459 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 1: there's a way around that for the straw man to 460 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 1: be paid. I mean, it happens all the time. 461 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 9: Yeah, and Nancy, you've been talking about this from day one, 462 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,919 Speaker 9: that he's not done. He's going to try to figure 463 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 9: out ways around that. I mean, you know, remember, just 464 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,199 Speaker 9: because the wolf is inside of the cage, it doesn't 465 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 9: mean he hasn't lost the ability to slaughter. And that's 466 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 9: his motivation constantly is to keep slaughtering this family. 467 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 2: So I'm very curious about how he makes the transformation 468 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 2: from quadruple killer performing experimental torture cuts on these four 469 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:47,159 Speaker 2: victims to bright eyed and bushy, tailed in costco and 470 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:53,239 Speaker 2: headed toward a coffee Kiosk now saying he refuses to 471 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 2: pay the victims, that he owes them nothing. One of 472 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 2: the concerns by the and Solve his family and others 473 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 2: is leaks. Leaks such as leaks off all topsy photos listen. 474 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:13,160 Speaker 16: Investigators have identified the IDoc employee responsible for leaking footage 475 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 16: from inside Coburgers sell at IMSI. The mail employee quit 476 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,639 Speaker 16: before the investigation concluded, but he will not be facing 477 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 16: charges for his actions. While filming the security video feed 478 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 16: is strictly prohibited by IDoc and the prison. According to 479 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 16: the Idaho State police. It didn't break any state or 480 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 16: federal law. 481 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: And back to you, Susan Hendricks, that was the jail video. 482 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 2: Let's see the jail video that we were hearing about. 483 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 2: This has surreptitiously taken video of Brian Coburger behind bars. 484 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 2: You see him looking around, his hands or bright red 485 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 2: I guess from washing them obsessively. Then he cleans his 486 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:59,479 Speaker 2: already clean shoes. The point we're making today is nothing 487 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 2: is going to be come of that video being leaked 488 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 2: because it wasn't a crime. But Susan Hendricks, remember the 489 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 2: big leak of information that ended up in a dateline special. 490 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 5: Absolutely, and as you were talking, Nancy, something clicked for me. 491 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 5: At first I thought, why bother mentioned the GoFundMe if 492 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,719 Speaker 5: he doesn't have any money. I absolutely believe. I was 493 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 5: in court during the victim impact statement and the judge 494 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 5: addressing the court, dressing the media, saying, I don't believe 495 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 5: anyone should meet with this monster, meaning don't write a book, 496 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 5: don't do it. You think everyone's going to listen. I 497 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 5: don't think so. I think the plan is for him 498 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 5: to talk and make money, and I believe it will happen. 499 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 2: Coburger can write a book, but he cannot personally profit 500 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 2: from it, according to the judge. So is this his 501 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 2: way out of paying compensation to the families by arguing 502 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 2: he doesn't owe them anything, and then when he does 503 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 2: I write the book and funnels them to a straw man, 504 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 2: there won't be a problem. Now, joining us a very 505 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 2: special guest. He is a member of the Idaho House 506 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 2: of Representatives. He's an elected official, is Representative Bruce Scogg. 507 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: Also he is a. 508 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 2: Former felony prosecutor, former deputy prosecutor in Ada County, and 509 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 2: former member of the Nampa City Council. Interesting, he is 510 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 2: co sponsor of House Bill one eighty six to add 511 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 2: the firing squad as a method of execution if and 512 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 2: win lethal injection is unavailable. 513 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 1: Why to make sure the state of Idaho can. 514 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 2: Carry out timely, legally ordered executions now and in the future. 515 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 1: Representative scotg thank you so much for being with us. 516 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 17: Privileged to be here, and a little bit of an 517 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 17: update on our firing squad bills. Now, firing squad is 518 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 17: the number one choice that must be taken above all 519 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 17: other methods in Idaho for definitely, casey. 520 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 2: Does that mean that the firing squad will be implemented, 521 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 2: or can the convicted killer ask for needle? 522 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 17: The convicted killer may not ask for the needle. It 523 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 17: will be firing squad from here on out out. We 524 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 17: have nine people on death row, and I'll expect those 525 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 17: executions to start taking place approxicately year from now. 526 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 2: Because, if you think about it, Representative Scog, Kellie Golslves 527 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 2: didn't get to pick her mode of death. She didn't 528 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 2: get to pick whether she lived or died. Neither did Maddie, 529 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 2: neither did Ethan, neither did Xana. 530 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 1: They had no choice in what was done to them. 531 00:31:55,360 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 2: What led you, Representative Skog to push what was then 532 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 2: House Bill won eighty six. 533 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 17: I started that bill having no focus on the consolates 534 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 17: and other victims, simply because we were having so much 535 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 17: difficulty getting executions to take place. We had one failed 536 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 17: execution through Leathland injection because they couldn't find a vein supposedly, 537 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 17: So fire and squad is certain, it's humane and it's 538 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 17: the best way to get the job done. 539 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace. 540 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 2: Bruce, Are you telling me a convicted killer did not 541 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 2: get the needle because they couldn't find a vein. 542 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 17: It happened to a mass murder that's been on death 543 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 17: row for about forty years. We finally get him on 544 00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 17: the table. It was not done, and we will get 545 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 17: this done through fire and squad. It takes away a 546 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 17: lot of the appeals. Some of the ridiculous appeals we 547 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 17: see in the courts are the condemned saying, well, my 548 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 17: medication will cause a pain with. 549 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 1: The allergic reaction. 550 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 2: Oh my stars, wait a minute, but I've got to 551 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 2: write this down. My medication will call an allergic reaction 552 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 2: to the. 553 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 17: Needle the pended barbertol that we would inject, and it 554 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 17: would cause unnecessary pain. That's been a lot of the appeals. 555 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 17: So we just wiped out a lot of the appeals 556 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 17: in process implementing the firing. 557 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 2: Well, the families were told this is the deal. 558 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 1: Like it or lump it. 559 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 2: It was force fed, shoved down their throats, and as 560 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 2: a crime victim myself, I don't like that they didn't 561 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 2: go along with this. In retrospect, so say, okay, it's fine, 562 00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 2: but why would you hoodwink the victims' families like it? 563 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 1: Why is he still there? 564 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 17: If that's what happened. NaN's Grace. I'm not privy to 565 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,799 Speaker 17: those inside conversations, but I would repeat the words of 566 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 17: the father of this Gonzalez, about a deal was done 567 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:14,959 Speaker 17: with the death. 568 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 1: What led you to push this legislation? 569 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,800 Speaker 17: Justice and the frustration with the appeals process on pinna 570 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:28,399 Speaker 17: barbital or lethal injection, the ridiculous appeals, and we did 571 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,439 Speaker 17: eliminate a lot of those appeal arguments by the breen 572 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 17: the death no by firing squad. And firing squad, even 573 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 17: according to Justice, so to my r, is the most 574 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:44,239 Speaker 17: uane deathintality process. It's quick, it's certain. We've have experts 575 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 17: from different universities. You say so, I think it's the 576 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,480 Speaker 17: humane way to go for all involved. 577 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 1: Why do you think firing squad is more humane than the. 578 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 17: Needle Sometimes I think it's about seven percent of the 579 00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 17: needle injections do go awry and cause a lot of pain, 580 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 17: and they don't go well. Iron squad there's according to experts, 581 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 17: up to ten seconds of real pain, but that it's over. 582 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 17: The heart stops instantly and it's done. The victims don't 583 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,479 Speaker 17: have to go through what the victims of the case 584 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 17: I told you about an Idaho of a failed procedure. 585 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:25,839 Speaker 2: You believe that the death by firing squad can and 586 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 2: will be implemented remotely. 587 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 1: How does that work? 588 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 17: We leave it up to the director of the Department 589 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,319 Speaker 17: of Corrections on how they want to proceed. So the 590 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:39,399 Speaker 17: plan is to have a number of rifles. I don't 591 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 17: know if it's I think it's three. A remote button 592 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 17: someone pushes and the firearms go off and do the execution. However, 593 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,879 Speaker 17: I have confirmed that we have a backup squad, old 594 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 17: school of re riflemen who will be prepared and ready 595 00:35:55,719 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 17: to go if there's somehow a failure of the mechanism. 596 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,919 Speaker 2: Is it true Representative Skog that when you use the 597 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 2: actual firing squad, the human firing squad, that one member 598 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,880 Speaker 2: of the squad has an empty chamber. 599 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 17: That is up to the Department of Corrections how they 600 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 17: want to handle that. I know that has been done 601 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 17: I think in Utah, and may well be done here 602 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:23,840 Speaker 17: so that no one can say for certain it was 603 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:24,800 Speaker 17: their bullet. 604 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:25,880 Speaker 15: I suppose. 605 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,240 Speaker 1: A mechanized go ahead. 606 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,799 Speaker 17: We have no shortage of volunteers. 607 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,960 Speaker 2: Okay, that's good to know, and I imagine they're lining up. 608 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 2: I started to say that with a new method of 609 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:53,280 Speaker 2: operation of a mechanized and automated controlled remote firing squad. 610 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 2: Nobody has to feel guilty. But then I guess you're 611 00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,400 Speaker 2: going to ask who pushed the button. We're gonna have 612 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,680 Speaker 2: to have three buttons and one doesn't work. I mean 613 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 2: you said that there's no lack of volunteers, correct. 614 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,839 Speaker 17: I get phone calls and emails regularly. We had one 615 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,160 Speaker 17: person send an email to the legislature in maths and 616 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,520 Speaker 17: you should all be the ones to pull the trigger. Well, 617 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,080 Speaker 17: there are several members of our House of Representatives who 618 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,520 Speaker 17: are willing to pull the trigger if they needed to. 619 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,919 Speaker 2: You stay that the purpose of your legislation, at least 620 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,600 Speaker 2: one of the purposes, is to make sure the State 621 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,600 Speaker 2: of Idaho can carry out the DP timely, in a 622 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:38,360 Speaker 2: timely fashion, and humanly. You've explained the humanly portion of 623 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,480 Speaker 2: that analysis. What about the timely consideration? 624 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 17: Justice late is justice denied. And that's the truth. And 625 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 17: we've been battling the Ninth Circuit forever, but now things 626 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,120 Speaker 17: are starting to change to where we have the right 627 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 17: attorney general, the right governor, the right legislature, we have 628 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,879 Speaker 17: the right courts in our Supreme Court, right prosecutors now 629 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:01,799 Speaker 17: I think we're going to get this done. I think 630 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,360 Speaker 17: it's time justice is going to come around. 631 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,919 Speaker 2: I'm sure the families want to know the truth, regardless 632 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 2: of the verdict. Regardless, I want to know the truth. 633 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,920 Speaker 2: That is a point of the jury system to seek 634 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:20,360 Speaker 2: a verdict that speaks the truth, regardless if it's guilty 635 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:24,560 Speaker 2: not guilty, split verdict, hungary, doesn't matter. The truth comes 636 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 2: out in the courtroom. Why were you disappointed this case 637 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:30,720 Speaker 2: did not go to trial. 638 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,319 Speaker 17: I was personally disappointed because I wanted to see this 639 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:38,000 Speaker 17: man executed for the fermendous crimes that he committed and 640 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,120 Speaker 17: that did not happen. It was not given the opportunity 641 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,600 Speaker 17: for a jury to decide, and Idaho, the jury decides 642 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,640 Speaker 17: whether or not to implement the definitely, and as you say, 643 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,320 Speaker 17: truth and evidence would come out after a conviction about 644 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:54,040 Speaker 17: his history, about his motives, about what really happened to 645 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,360 Speaker 17: those victims, and that vermendous nube and I wanted to 646 00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,560 Speaker 17: see that all come out, and I think any jury 647 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,000 Speaker 17: and Idaho would have given him the Definitely. 648 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:08,279 Speaker 2: With me is Representative Bruce Scogg joining us from the 649 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,600 Speaker 2: Idaho House of Representatives. I O want to thank you 650 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 2: for being with us tonight, and I will be over 651 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,880 Speaker 2: shortly to seize that unauthorized weapon you've got hanging on 652 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 2: the wall behind you. 653 00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:20,839 Speaker 1: Thank you, V thank you so much. 654 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:22,879 Speaker 17: Take care boy. 655 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:28,160 Speaker 1: We are speaking one on one with Christy and Steve 656 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,600 Speaker 1: go and solve us. Christy, isn't it true? 657 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:34,799 Speaker 2: You basically got an email saying hey, we got a deal. 658 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:39,399 Speaker 18: Yes on a Sunday Sunday afternoon. They sent it at 659 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,360 Speaker 18: four fifty three pm. We happened to see what happened 660 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,160 Speaker 18: to be checking his email a little later, around six 661 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:48,600 Speaker 18: or so, and he said what and we lost our minds. 662 00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,120 Speaker 18: We immediately emailed them and said we need to talk 663 00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,759 Speaker 18: like now, like what has this been sent yet? 664 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:56,080 Speaker 6: Have you offered it yet? 665 00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:56,799 Speaker 5: What is going on? 666 00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,520 Speaker 18: They sent us an email the next morning and said 667 00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,960 Speaker 18: we can meet three today and we said, you didn't answer. 668 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,480 Speaker 18: Has this been sent already? And they said yes, it 669 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:11,040 Speaker 18: was sent yesterday evening to the defense. And so we 670 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,440 Speaker 18: met with him at three that day on Monday, and 671 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:18,920 Speaker 18: the plea had already been accepted, and we lost our minds. 672 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:20,960 Speaker 18: We were in that meeting, I mean we were screaming, 673 00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:22,680 Speaker 18: we were cussing, we were yelling. 674 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,400 Speaker 6: We were saying, why did you do this? 675 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:25,319 Speaker 1: How did you do this? 676 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,480 Speaker 6: You know what happened. 677 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,200 Speaker 18: You just talked to us on Friday and told us that, 678 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:36,319 Speaker 18: you know, you had every anticipation of taking this all 679 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:36,640 Speaker 18: the way. 680 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 1: We talked about port I mean, we talked about. 681 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,799 Speaker 18: A plea deal for like a like a second and 682 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,319 Speaker 18: he just said, oh, I think that they might be 683 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,319 Speaker 18: wanting one, but we have no reason to give them one. 684 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,319 Speaker 6: You know, why would we? 685 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,279 Speaker 18: And we're like, yeah, right, why would we? And he said, 686 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,120 Speaker 18: how do you guys feel about a plea deal? And 687 00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,440 Speaker 18: we're like no, no, no, no, no no no. 688 00:40:58,680 --> 00:40:59,480 Speaker 1: Boom moved on. 689 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,239 Speaker 10: Yeah, he accepted the plea deal within the same hour 690 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,520 Speaker 10: that he got it. This man never wanted to fight 691 00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,200 Speaker 10: for our children, literally, I mean it. They fought for 692 00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,439 Speaker 10: their lives for their very last breath, and this man 693 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:12,360 Speaker 10: had no fighting it. 694 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:14,000 Speaker 1: They fought hard all the. 695 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,200 Speaker 10: Way to the end, and he gave up within an 696 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,600 Speaker 10: hour of being given an opportunity to. 697 00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:19,680 Speaker 1: Quit on these kids. 698 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,320 Speaker 10: And that's the kind of prosecutor that you got to get. 699 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,120 Speaker 10: You got to get him out. You got to get 700 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,600 Speaker 10: real prosecutors in Idaho. We've got some jobs to do. 701 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:30,200 Speaker 10: We got some work to do there. 702 00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:35,759 Speaker 2: We remember an American hero, Deputy Sheriff Joshua Weld, Sarasota 703 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,920 Speaker 2: County Sheriffs, killed in the line of duty after twenty 704 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:44,920 Speaker 2: two years serving and protecting, leaving behind a devastated wife, Brandy, 705 00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:52,360 Speaker 2: and three children. American hero Deputy Sheriff Joshua Welch. Nancy 706 00:41:52,400 --> 00:42:01,080 Speaker 2: Gray signing off goodbye friend B.