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Speaker 1: Lose one player Game two. Maybe welcome bird Gang. On

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Speaker 1: today's show, Danny surrec joins me. Plenty of roster shuffling

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Speaker 1: as the Cardinals prepare for a trip to Green Bay. No,

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Speaker 1: wol Hernandez is not available. There is Robinson and Zay Jones. However,

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Speaker 1: maybe both were on the practice field Wednesday at Cardinals

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Speaker 1: Cover two, Episode eight O five and it starts now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 1: Boo to Baker, what heart? What rent? This guy's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: He's at the ten half of five.

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Speaker 3: He's it again some more hurry magic.

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Speaker 2: Whow here's Craigcriolo.

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Speaker 1: So I hate to say this out loud. I am

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Speaker 1: going to anyway, because it was a nice change of pace.

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Speaker 1: I've said this before. However, Danny related to the weather

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Speaker 1: because it was not triple digits while we were out

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Speaker 1: on the practice field on Wednesday. I look ahead, though,

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Speaker 1: and I do see temperature starting to drop. But I

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Speaker 1: remember what was what three weeks ago? Four weeks ago,

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Speaker 1: I said the same thing, and we went back up

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Speaker 1: to one hundred and ten for what fifteen straight days.

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Speaker 3: I'm still coming off that game in San Francisco Crest.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I forget who I'm complaining about to, so my apologies,

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Speaker 1: I should ask you.

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Speaker 3: I spent about three hours with the sun baking on me.

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Speaker 3: So all right.

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Speaker 1: So a better question though here to get things started.

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Speaker 1: How are you doing here on this Wednesday, seventy two

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Speaker 1: hours after you had to deal with the heat.

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Speaker 3: Well, I was in the press box during the game

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Speaker 3: as all, during the pregame and post game, so I'm

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Speaker 3: doing okay, much better than Paul Cavec.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you were out there pregame for ninety minutes

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Speaker 1: in the direct sun, I mean.

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Speaker 3: And then the radio show. So that was that's right,

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Speaker 3: two and a half almost three hours.

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Speaker 1: That could be even worse, though, because that sun penetrating

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Speaker 1: through like you know, barriers and then the reflections and

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Speaker 1: then off the car. Yeah, so you were right there

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Speaker 1: with Paul.

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Speaker 3: Thanks.

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Speaker 1: All right, So let's get into what we did see

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Speaker 1: during Wednesday's open portion of practice. Actually we did see

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Speaker 1: we can go point by point. Darius Robinson back on

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Speaker 1: But we saw this a week ago, and I think

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Speaker 3: and that's probably just what time more comfortable, not to

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Speaker 3: Beacham has done a nice job. It was really nice

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Speaker 1: Here's what I'm hoping is that when we left and

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, the Cardinals defense which we'll talk about as a

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Speaker 1: We heard a lot from Darius's teammates. We heard from

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Speaker 3: There has to be, in my opinion and understanding, that

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Speaker 3: So you're not going to have a rookie come in

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Speaker 3: Robinson's been rehabbing, so he hasn't been able to actually

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Speaker 3: I want to give him a couple of weeks to

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Speaker 1: It's one thing when it's a veteran like a Budda

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Speaker 1: the first time in a long time, Zay Jones, off

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Speaker 1: of suspension. He was going through wide receiver drills during

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Speaker 1: the open portion of practice. The team does have a

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Speaker 1: now this would be the difference between a Darius Robinson

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Speaker 1: Zay hasn't been around for five weeks, yet he knows

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Speaker 3: Agreed. And you already have other really top performing weapons,

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Speaker 3: what I said, Michael Wilson and Trey McBride did have

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Speaker 1: Chris Moore only played twenty seven total offensive snaps eight

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Speaker 1: So you look at a fourth wide receiver because that's

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, that differs week to week based on the game

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Speaker 3: That might make more sense for you than having a

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Speaker 1: Math, but how about we talk more numbers. You brought

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Speaker 3: that was in brock Perty's face. Rabbit had a really

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Speaker 1: Again, a good problem to have. By the way, Rabbit

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Speaker 3: Man, when that what if that's the game? He's like,

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Speaker 3: you know what, fine, you guys got me.

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Speaker 1: Be good to see him, just not in an opposing uniform.

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Speaker 1: All right, So Danny's off to Green Bay. She doesn't

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Speaker 1: need to pack a winter coat.

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Speaker 3: I think I am still going to bring it. I

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Speaker 3: think it's supposed to be like mid fifties on game

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Speaker 3: day though.

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Speaker 1: Oh but not a winter for snow coat. Just maybe

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Speaker 1: still coat.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it would still be a coat for me. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: safe than sorry.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I have not been there. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if that press box is if it has an

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Speaker 1: open window, or if it's church.

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Speaker 3: Isn't it bleachers or is most of it bleachers? Right

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Speaker 3: for fans in the stadium, like I think it's pretty

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Speaker 3: still old school. I don't know how much they've really

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Speaker 3: they've renovated.

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Speaker 1: They've renovated a couple of different times. They do put

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Speaker 1: money back into that building, but they want to keep

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Speaker 1: again that mystique or whatever and just the kind of

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Speaker 3: Matter, sure, but you know, I'm excited on that for

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Speaker 3: the bus ride over, when you're in the middle of

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Speaker 3: a neighborhood and all of a sudden, lambo just appears.

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Speaker 3: Do we think any players I know? They said no.

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Speaker 3: Do you think any players on the Cardinals roster would

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Speaker 3: be brave enough to do a Lambeau leap after maybe

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Speaker 3: an interception or a touchdown?

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Speaker 1: Kyler was asked about it. He said no.

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Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison Junior also said no.

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Speaker 1: I would. I would find it hard to believe, especially

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Speaker 1: if you have no connections, because then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: you're just can get a pushed right back right if

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Speaker 1: you played there and.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that stuff back you think you don't think if

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Speaker 3: a DV had a pick and.

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Speaker 1: You just jumped up. Yeah, maybe if there was a

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Speaker 1: small collection of Cardinal fans or red jerseys near and.

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Speaker 3: Then might not be the smartest decision. No, especially Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's how do you feel about the cheeseheads?

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Speaker 1: It's a great fan base.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry I should have been more. How do you

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Speaker 3: feel about the physical cheesehead hat?

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Speaker 1: That's a better question. I would not wear one. Now,

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Speaker 1: if you can somehow convince either Darren or Paul to

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Speaker 1: wear one on Sunday or maybe on Saturday, I.

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Speaker 3: Don't think there's any chance I could get Paul to

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Speaker 3: wear one.

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Speaker 1: Why not? He didn't. He didn't even wear a hat

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Speaker 1: Sunday in San Francisco.

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Speaker 3: I think I think he was wearing Advisor.

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Speaker 1: Still, that defeats the purpose because your scalp can still

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Speaker 1: get burned.

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Speaker 3: Hey, you gotta talk to Paul.

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Speaker 1: There's a hair joke in there, ron Wolf for you.

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Speaker 1: I just opened the door for you. I'll let you

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Speaker 1: fill it in. Yeah, I'm not a I would not

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Speaker 1: wear one, So.

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Speaker 3: You would if I were a fan.

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Speaker 1: Maybe if you grew up around and you don't know

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Speaker 1: any different, Maybe it's just part of you.

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Speaker 3: Want to do so. Yeah, I'm silly, like okay, okay,

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I think it's kind of fun to

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Speaker 3: have something like that, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, speaking fun, Elijah Higgins sideline exchange.

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Speaker 3: This week's care is what Jonathan Gannon likes to college.

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Speaker 1: Can't wait to watch that on Easycardinals dot Com to

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Speaker 1: get his response to hinkybar.

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Speaker 3: It's been an impressive second year as a tight end.

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Speaker 3: Higgins was a wide receiver in college and then the

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Speaker 3: Cardinals didn't even draft and they picked him up right

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Speaker 3: before the twenty twenty three season started and converted him

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Speaker 3: to a tight end. And it took a year to

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Speaker 3: really get comfortable with the positional changes and having his

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Speaker 3: hand in the dirt and blocking, and I think he's

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Speaker 3: done a really nice job and had and the way

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Speaker 3: we kind of talk about Davin Collins right in second year,

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Speaker 3: fully outside, it's kind of the same year for Higgins

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Speaker 3: of second year really as a tight end.

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Speaker 1: He's become a trusted player in that tight end room,

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Speaker 1: even without Tran McBride. But when you have trade now,

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden you have two tight ends that

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Speaker 1: Petsing trusts Kyler Murray trust, and I think more importantly

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Speaker 1: that the latter trust is what you want. But as much,

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Speaker 1: and going back to what you talked to earlier, how

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Speaker 1: much this offense relies on two and three tight ends

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Speaker 1: to have two three tight ends that you trust and

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Speaker 1: a converted wide receiver that's and Trey McBride's not typically

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Speaker 1: your blocking tight end. They're both kind of more receiving

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Speaker 1: tight ends than they are blocking tight ends. But what

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Speaker 1: I like about both of them, and Elijah in particular,

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Speaker 1: is that he is willing to learn, willing to get

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Speaker 1: his nose in there and figure it out and then

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Speaker 1: figure out how to move someone in front of him

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Speaker 1: and not just worry about the receiving aspects.

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Speaker 3: Higgin isn't just a blocker. He's got two touchdowns as well,

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Speaker 3: so he's shown that he can be a reliable target

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Speaker 3: for Kyler, especially in the red zone, and that's huge

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Speaker 3: when you have somebody who can be a threat in

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Speaker 3: both the pass game and the run game as a blocker.

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Speaker 1: So look forward to that Bird Gang on azcardinals dot

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Speaker 1: Com this week's sideline exchange with Danny Surrek, and then

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Speaker 1: more of Danny and her chiefs Head perhaps coming up

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Speaker 1: this week.

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Speaker 3: There's no way I'm wearing a cheese head working for

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Speaker 3: the Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: No way. On Saturday, as you're walking around town or maybe.

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Speaker 3: To a quick picture, I'm gonna have to like, try

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Speaker 3: some you know, Green Bay cheese foods. Yeah, like I

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Speaker 3: don't like it, Like, oh, just the sound of it,

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Speaker 3: like a cheese curt Like, how would that be appealing

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Speaker 3: for anybody? But I'm probably just going to force myself

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Speaker 3: to try it.

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Speaker 1: Try it, come back. We discuss it next week.

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Speaker 3: My official food review.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there we go.

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Speaker 3: How many cheeseheads would I give it? Would I rate it?

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Speaker 1: That'd be kind of interesting. Okay, now we have something

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Speaker 1: to look forward to here next week. Enjoy Green Bay?

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Speaker 3: Thank you, and hey, Zach is back on Friday. He

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Speaker 3: decided to come back to work.

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Speaker 1: Not that we are kicking you out. I just want

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Speaker 1: to make sure that that is clear to everyone.

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Speaker 3: I'll be hopping on the plane.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's right. It is a two day trip. Danny

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Speaker 1: is traveling to get some cheese curds to wear a

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Speaker 1: cheese head on Friday night and Saturday afternoons. So if

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Speaker 1: you're out and about Cardinal fans, just look for day.

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Speaker 3: Let me you know what to do. Is there really

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Speaker 3: anything to do?

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Speaker 1: You're asking the wrong person.

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Speaker 3: Besides go to a Packers game out there.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure there's plenty to do, but I have.

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Speaker 3: No idea what okay, we'll figure it out.

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Speaker 1: All right, get to work on that note, we'll put

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Speaker 1: all in on this edition of Cardinals Cover two presented

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Speaker 1: by Hyundai, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals. As always,

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Speaker 1: special thanks to our executive producer Jim Mamahindro our associate

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Speaker 1: producer Cuddy Fincher For Danny Surrek, I'm Craig rial Lou.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next time here on Cardinals Cover

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