1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. M 4 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: oh hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, 5 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:29,159 Speaker 1: my name is North. They call me Ben, and we 6 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 1: are joined with our super producer Paul Mission controlled decade. 7 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: Most importantly, you are you. You are here, and that 8 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: makes this stuff they don't want you to know. It's 9 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, and if you are remotely aware of the news, 10 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 1: you understand that the government is still shut down. The 11 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 1: government is this is the longest shutdown in modern US history. 12 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: So presumably they're not assassinating any political activists at the moment. Well, 13 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: the assassins aren't getting paid at stuff. There's back pay, right, Yeah. Yeah, 14 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:07,759 Speaker 1: this is a divisive time in the country. But that's 15 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: something people always say, you know how Like older people 16 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: are always like, oh, new music sucks, but old music 17 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: is good. And people are always like, ah, this is 18 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: the most divisive time ever. It's always been a real 19 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 1: uh there's a phrase null uh null stumbled upon that. 20 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 1: I really like, it's always been a real ship show 21 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: because we're family show. There was a pe. You're listening 22 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: sort of like a trade show for boats, ship show, 23 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: all up on stilts. You get to look at their undercarriages. 24 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 1: You know. It's like that, but with with rampant wanton 25 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: havoc politically, with quite real danger to many people. And 26 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: we're not we're not gonna do with some AM or 27 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: FM political talking points show. We're not gonna pare it 28 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: out some headlines at you. We want to establish that 29 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: context because it's often said that history is cyclical, right 30 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: it maybe maybe it doesn't repeat, but it rhymes. And 31 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 1: the reason that cliche is a cliche is because it's true. 32 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: That's the reason most cliches are cliches. It's because they're true. 33 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: Everyone knows it. It's such a nigh roll when people 34 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: say it. Today, we are taking a journey into a 35 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 1: into an event that may be familiar to some of us, 36 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 1: uh and maybe brand new to others. And it may 37 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 1: be something that you just remember from one line in 38 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: a Rage against the Machine song, Uh Down rodeo. Right, 39 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 1: we were we were talking about this off air listening 40 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: to Rage against the Machine, and the three of us. 41 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:50,959 Speaker 1: I don't know if you agreed, Paul, but the three 42 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: of us, at least here in the booth thought. You know, 43 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 1: rage against the Machine holds up well. The thing too 44 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: about not that that's all of a sudden the critique 45 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: about Raging Machine and their cultural significance. But the thing 46 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: that stands up to me is that all of the 47 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 1: other like rap metal bands or whatever, they sound completely 48 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 1: cliche and hackney now, but Rage Against the Machine just 49 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: sounds like Rage against the Machine. Nobody else really copied 50 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 1: them so exactly that they sound like a tired, you know, 51 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: copy of themselves. So good on them being innovative. Just 52 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 1: another thing that I was reminded of. My wife is 53 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: always trying to get me to listen to newer music 54 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: and back in the day, jay Z and Um, who's 55 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: that Guy's the other guy? Um? Jay Z and Kanye. 56 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: I'm just joking, give me a direction here. I'm not sure. 57 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: I think it's if you're looking at a map, I 58 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: think it's still to the left, Kanye north by Northwest 59 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: something like that. Um No, but they had they had 60 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: a song that mentioned the person we're talking about today, 61 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: and it, uh, it just reminded me of that too, 62 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: just putting that out. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, So 63 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: specifically that line in down Rodeo is they ain't gonna 64 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: send me camping like they did my man Fred Hampton, right, 65 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: And that is a real person. This is common knowledge 66 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: to some of us. This is maybe a an easter 67 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: egg for some people. But today we are exploring the 68 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 1: life and times and untimely end of a very young 69 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: man named Fred Hampton. Today most people would not be 70 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 1: able to point out Maywood, Illinois on a map. It's 71 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: relatively small. It's a community of at the closest estimate, 72 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: a little more than twenty three thousand five people in 73 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 1: Cook Counties, Proviso Township shortly after World War Two. Now 74 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 1: was this kid? His name is Fred Hampton. Uh he 75 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: he went to He was born in Summit, Illinois. He 76 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: went to a high school in Maywood in the area. 77 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: He was great at math, he was he was a 78 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: raid athlete, and for a time he was a pre 79 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: law student. He died spoiler alert when he was twenty 80 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: one years old. As bonkers to me every time I 81 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: look back at these whether it's like Musicians of the 82 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 1: Diet is an early age, like Kurt Cobain, I forget 83 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: they're like twenty three years old. I still think of 84 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: myself as a relatively young man. But it really makes 85 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,840 Speaker 1: you puts things in perspective. You know, when just just 86 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: getting started, Fred Hampton was so what happened? So look 87 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: at this. We will have to start with, uh, some 88 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 1: some social context, some backgrounds. So here are the facts. 89 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: Fred Hampton is today most widely known for his association 90 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: with the Black Panther Party or b p P, officially 91 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 1: the Black Panther Party for Self Defense. This was founded 92 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: in Oakland, California, in nineteen sixty six by Huey Newton 93 00:05:54,680 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: and Bobby Seal. Originally, these guys wanted to protect local 94 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: residents of the Oakland community from police brutality. And this 95 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: is just like as a like a local defense force, 96 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: essentially a self governing community. Right, we don't we don't need, uh, 97 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: we don't need the law enforcement industry as they saw it, 98 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: to further repress our community. There's so many things that 99 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:30,919 Speaker 1: could be solved. The reasoning goes by by just talking 100 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: to kids, because these are teenagers just saying hey, don't 101 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 1: cause trouble or you know, it's it's like you hear 102 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: the stories of young kids who maybe get pulled over 103 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: for something, or they get caught drinking under age or 104 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: smoking pot, and then the officers up to their discretion. 105 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 1: They can they can book a kid and take them 106 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:55,799 Speaker 1: to juvie, or they can do something that is scarier 107 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 1: and more frightening for some of them, which is called 108 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 1: their mother. Interesting in the movie Black Klansman, I don't 109 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: know if you guys have seen that yet, but it 110 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 1: got some I think Spekeley finally got his first Becks 111 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: Best Picture and Best Director oscar first domination in thirty 112 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: years since. To the Right, Yeah, it's good. But there's 113 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: a scene where Stukeley Carmichael, who's the leader of the 114 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: Black Panther Party, is speaking at a university and one 115 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: of the organizers, who's a college student who's got this 116 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: you know, um college group that organized this event, is 117 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: very abusively pulled over by the very racist local police 118 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: and just hassled for being the person that brought these 119 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: people to this town. I believe in Colorado, the city 120 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: in Colorado so um, and that kind of stuff was 121 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: happening all the time, and that was the that was 122 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: absolutely a need to have some kind of protection within 123 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: this specific community to keep stuff like that from happening. 124 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: And need is key These people weren't making these decisions 125 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: for fun, right. They weren't like, Hey, should we go bowling, 126 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: or should we we should we start a political party 127 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: and and then rock papers as its for it. They 128 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: saw a need, and as the bp P evolved its 129 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: goals expanded, they recognized this was not something that needed 130 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: to exist only in Oakland, California, but in the continent 131 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: entire right, especially the US, but also also Canada, and 132 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: the group eventually called from nationwide changes meant to combat 133 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: the racial inequality in the US which still exists today. 134 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: By the late nineties sixties, this organization had over two 135 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: thousand members two thousand admitted members. There are probably many 136 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: many more sympathizers, right, or people who said, I see 137 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: what you're doing. I tacit Lee if not um explicitly supported. 138 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 1: Critics of the party, including the FBI, saw this organization 139 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: as a They saw it as a hate group, and 140 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: they saw it as a on the level of racial 141 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 1: supremacy group, you know, like the KKK. And they also 142 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: saw it as primed to explode in some sort of 143 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 1: like massive uprising or riot kind of situation, when in 144 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 1: fact they were building schools and inner city areas of Oakland, 145 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: and they had like clinics and supply co ops and 146 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: all of this really incredible community building stuff, breakfast programs 147 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: for kids and clothing drives and all of this stuff. 148 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 1: And the thing I mentioned earlier about the you know, 149 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: protecting themselves against you know, racial profiling, it certainly wasn't. 150 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: It was much more of an awareness thing. And I like, 151 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 1: let's stick together and make people aware that they can't 152 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: mess with us because we are of one mind and 153 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: we will you know, look out for each other and 154 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: draw attention to the fact that stuff is happening and 155 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: know you're rights. That's also big proponents of the Second Amendment, 156 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: which you know, the right to bear arms, not the 157 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: animal bear arms, I feel like we always have to 158 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: say that now, but the right to hold a firearm. 159 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,439 Speaker 1: I think this is a good place to mention that 160 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: the Black Panther Party is one of numerous organizations that 161 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: find their origins in this time period. Yes where and 162 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 1: these are somewhat splintered groups where members of one, like 163 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 1: chapter of the Black Panther Party would go and form 164 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: their own group. And this was this was happening, uh 165 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: throughout the United States. So they're they're Basically, you have 166 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: to imagine if you look on a map, there are, 167 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: um there are smaller groups all over the place rather 168 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 1: than one unified group. Absolutely, absolutely, And that's an excellent 169 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: point because not everybody agreed on every facet of the 170 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: of the ideology. Right. There would be people who agree 171 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 1: with the push for equality, but they would say, hey, 172 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: this is antagonistic work within the system. And there where 173 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: other people who said, well, you know, the system is 174 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: built to destroy you, so you are destroying yourself and 175 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: us if you play along with these games. And if 176 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:00,839 Speaker 1: you look closely enough, it's in interesting how you can 177 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: see the rationality for almost all of the groups, like 178 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 1: because it almost makes a complete sense in every scenario 179 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:10,319 Speaker 1: with these groups that are coming together. It's all about philosophy, sure, 180 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: and philosophy is ultimately only as valuable as the actions 181 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: and inspires which I just made up. But I'm gonna 182 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: stick by that. That that turn of phrase, it belongs 183 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: on a bumper sticker and or a plaque of some 184 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: kind or a T shirt. Oh my god, I really 185 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: do think so. But this is totally true because the 186 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: biggest thing that Fred Hampton was known for was being 187 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: like an organizer he was a great speaker, could bring 188 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: people together, and um, he pushed for this idea that 189 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: the people in charge were using tools, using racism as 190 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:49,439 Speaker 1: a tool to control people that were not in their club, 191 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: you know, which is conspiracy theory. That's just look at it. 192 00:11:55,880 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 1: And uh and some conspiracy theories, for the record, are true. 193 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: But he he is right there. There's an active conspiracy 194 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: the federal government at this time as the Panthers expand, 195 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 1: the federal government considers this group and associated groups terrorists 196 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: and they lump them in with the various other separatists 197 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 1: or status quo challenging groups that you alluded to earlier, Matt. 198 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:25,839 Speaker 1: In the FBI's estimation, the BPP was an extremist group 199 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: that quote advocated the use of violence and guerilla tactics 200 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 1: to overthrow the US government. That's that's a heavy phrase 201 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: to drop. That's there's whether or not you largely agree 202 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 1: with the idea of let's just pick one thing, whether 203 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 1: or not you agree with the Second Amendment. Uh, It's 204 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: it's a hell of a leap to say that people 205 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: attempting to police their own communities are automatically going to 206 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: the White House too, burned own the Oval Office. That's 207 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: that's that's a logical leap, and it's when the FBI 208 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: bought well, it's absolutely I don't they sold it exactly. 209 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 1: It's absolute hyperbole. And it's like we're saying, it's this 210 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: idea of selling to the public, this notion that this 211 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 1: group of organized African American people are somehow a threat 212 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: to you in your white communities or in your you know, 213 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: way of life and your job and all of this 214 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:28,559 Speaker 1: stuff and your safety. Really they accept whatever they need 215 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 1: to do to get rid of it. Really is propaganda. 216 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: But we cannot discount that some of these splintered off 217 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: groups were using extreme extreme violence as yeah, and uh, 218 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: I think it's a symbionese liberation sure like these other 219 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 1: much more extreme could even now be classified as terrorist groups. 220 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: This is during the this is during the Vietnam era, 221 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: meaning that the I have a great metaphor for this, 222 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 1: I want to save it for the end. But but 223 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 1: the the idea here was one of an existential threat. 224 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: So the Federal Bureau of Investigation deals with things like 225 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: you know, human trafficking, drugs, murders across state lines, that 226 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 1: kind of stuff, And they said backburner backburner, backburner, dissidents, 227 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: extremist terrorist people who want the US to be less 228 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: racist them too. And that's our number one priority. That's 229 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: our priority. They said, like, you know, drugs, human trafficking, 230 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: interstate murder, that's stuff happens, you know, all lets eggs. 231 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: But I'll tell you what, buddy, these hippies, these black panthers, 232 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: this injustice shall not stand. Only our injustice she'll stand, 233 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: one might imagine. So let's with that context, let's look 234 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: at Fred Hampton. It's a name that's familiar to people, 235 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: but it's also when it's a this is the name 236 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: of a real person, not just a symbol rights. Uh. 237 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: He's a smart kid. We mentioned that he was born 238 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: in Summit, Illinois, that was in August, so like us, 239 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: he's an August kid. He was raised in Maywood, and 240 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: he graduated from the high school there with honors in 241 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: sixty six. Nineteen sixty six. From high school, he first 242 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: went to the Developmental Institute at the y m C, 243 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: a Community college in Chicago, and then he attended Triton 244 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: Junior College in River Grove, Illinois. He majored in pre 245 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: law because he planned to familiarize himself with the legal 246 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: system to know his rights, with the aim of better 247 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: protecting his community against what he saw as the threat 248 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: of the police. And there's there's a there's an interesting 249 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 1: confluence of contrasting views here because Hampton saw the police 250 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 1: as an existential threat to his community, and the FBI 251 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: eventually sold the Black Panthers as an existential threat to 252 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 1: their community. Yeah. So originally, and he's a very young 253 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: kid at this time. Originally Fred organized for the in 254 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: double a CP yes, the National Association for the Advancement 255 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: of Colored People, just to put that back in there. Um. 256 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: And then he ended up joining the Black Panther Party 257 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty eight, which was headquartered at the time 258 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: in Oakland, California. And you know, after he joins up 259 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: with them, he moves to Chicago, and he um, he 260 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: basically develops an Illinois chapter of the Black Panther Party. 261 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: He gets in on the ground floor, and over the 262 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: next year in Chicago, Hampton and other members of the 263 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: chapter and people associated with it achieved some pretty impressive stuff. 264 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: You know, Like like Noll said earlier, they are supplying clothing, 265 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: they're supplying food, their oregan rising, their educating The most 266 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 1: notable achievement under the one people remember the most often 267 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:13,640 Speaker 1: now was that Hampton brokered a deal between uh, some 268 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:18,199 Speaker 1: of Chicago's most powerful street gangs by saying, look, we 269 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: are in a system that wants you to fight. It 270 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 1: wants you to kill one another because then you won't vote. 271 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: It wants you to kill one another because then you 272 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: won't get old enough, maybe not even to your thirties. 273 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: And you have to be in your thirties to be president, right, 274 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: And if you're finding each other, you can't see the 275 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 1: real enemy essentially exactly. Yeah. Yeah, And this message resonated 276 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 1: with these gangs. And so he televised this multi racial, 277 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: class conscious alliance between the b PP, the Young Patriots Organization, 278 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: and the Young Lords. This was technically a non aggression 279 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: packed um, because he said, you know this, this is 280 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: what the system wants. It wants to keep you poor, 281 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: it wants to keep you dying young, yeah, or put 282 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 1: you in prison. And he was you know, we said 283 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 1: this was televised. He Fred Hampton was somebody if you 284 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: listen to he is very convincing. And um, if you 285 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:23,439 Speaker 1: if you listen to him, I mean, it's just one 286 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: of the there's sometimes comes along as speaker, a public 287 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: speaker who can in a way and I don't know 288 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,199 Speaker 1: if this is the right word, but almost entrance you 289 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: where you're just listening and you're like, okay, yeah, I 290 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: hear what you're saying. The way you're speaking, what you're saying, 291 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: it's speaking to me. It's not you're not speaking at me, 292 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: you're speaking to me. And since it was on television, 293 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:48,719 Speaker 1: the right, I guess, and wrong people we're noticing. Ah, 294 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 1: excellent point, Matt, Yes, yes, because this is a moment 295 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: that can be uh propagated before it can be censored. 296 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 1: So after the watershed event, after this watershed year. During 297 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: this year, Fred Hampton also coins a phrase that will 298 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: be familiar with a lot of people who may not 299 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: have heard of Fred Hampton's which is the phrase Rainbow 300 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 1: Coalition arguing again for a multi racial cooperative to address 301 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 1: the entrenched poverty of lower working class Chicago and more importantly, 302 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 1: the country as a whole. H This was later taken 303 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 1: up by successive political pundits. Right, it was really used. Um, 304 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: it morphed over time. Let's say it did? It did? 305 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:42,360 Speaker 1: And one thing I like about what you're pointing out 306 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:47,640 Speaker 1: with the televised, with the televised. Let's all get together, cooperate, 307 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:50,959 Speaker 1: overthrow the system. Right, forget the g rides, I want 308 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: the machines that are making them. Uh this, the bp 309 00:19:54,680 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: P did have a maoist or communists tinge to its ideology, 310 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: you know, and this made, uh, the idea of the 311 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 1: Black Panther Party a compounding threat because we're still we're 312 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 1: we're in Cold War era at this point, and they 313 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: were essentially messing with the money. What happened this year, well, 314 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: at the very end of nineteen sixty nine, according to 315 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 1: the official story, Fred Hampton died in an apartment raid 316 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: searching for illegal weapons on in the early hours of 317 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: December four. The FBI saw themselves as protecting the population, 318 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 1: protecting the innocent population of Chicago. And officially they were 319 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 1: raiding a dangerous group that possessed ostensibly illegal weapons. One 320 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: more time, officially, that's what they were doing. It should 321 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 1: go without saying, but I'll say it not everyone believes 322 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:58,879 Speaker 1: the story. And we'll get into that story after a 323 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: quick word from our sponsor, and we're back. And I 324 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: just want to point this out here. Um, this is 325 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: when Fred Hampton died just as a fun fact. It was. 326 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: It's not fun. It was two months after the last 327 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: confirmed Zodiat killing. Okay, let's keep going. Here's where it 328 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: gets crazy. So the federal government sees this and associated 329 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 1: groups as a threat. They are terrified of the idea 330 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 1: of anything challenging the solvency of the government, the breaking 331 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: of the rule of law. So the question becomes, how 332 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: far would the U. S Government go to prevent what 333 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 1: they saw as the spread of subversive elements? Would they, 334 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:53,679 Speaker 1: in fact M I five style c I A style 335 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 1: break the laws they were supposed to enforce in pursuit 336 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: of what they saw as a great are good? Evidence 337 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:12,199 Speaker 1: overwhelmingly indicates yes, the FBI essentially engineered and assassination. Yeah, 338 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 1: and um, it's tough to look past the evidence, especially 339 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 1: if you look at the full picture here. Um, with 340 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 1: something we're about to get into a specific program, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, 341 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 1: which will be familiar to fellow long time listeners. Let's 342 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 1: start with a guy named Mark O'Neill. We'll we'll go 343 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:35,120 Speaker 1: into detail about him in a moment. What you need 344 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 1: to know about Mark is that he was in the 345 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: BPP and associated with it. But he was also for 346 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,919 Speaker 1: part of the time an FBI informant. And on the 347 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: night of December three, after a political education session, Hampton 348 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: and his girlfriend, who was pregnant, and several of their 349 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: associates went to and when it went to this apartment 350 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 1: where they were going to spend the night, and this guy, 351 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: Mark O'Neill was functioning as security. He also made dinner. 352 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: He made dinner, and he drugged Fred Hampton with barbiturates 353 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 1: which prevented him from waking up at all. Okay, yeah, yeah, 354 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: he slept peacefully in this bedroom with his girlfriend and 355 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:26,439 Speaker 1: the police when they conducted the raid around four am 356 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 1: or so, they came in, guns blazing, right, and there 357 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 1: was was it Mark O'Neill? Was he the one holding 358 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 1: the shotgun? Mark O'Neill was was there or at least 359 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 1: for a time, Yeah, because again he set the entire 360 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 1: thing up. So the police shot security, who was one 361 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,399 Speaker 1: guy with a shotgun. They just shot him. Yeah, that 362 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: was not Mark, That was not Mark Oil. No, they 363 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 1: just shot the guy as he's dying. Shotgun discharges. It's 364 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 1: the only shot the BPP fired that night. And then 365 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 1: they aimed their fire on the bedroom where Hampton and 366 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 1: his again pregnant girlfriend. And again, these these people are 367 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: in their twenties right when they shouted at twenty one 368 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: year old kid asleep in a room. And you could 369 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: claim fog of war, you could claim the best of intentions, 370 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: or that the road to Hell is paved with those 371 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: kinds of tiles, or you could claim this was part 372 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: of something called cointelpro, which it was. Just for the record, 373 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,360 Speaker 1: I want to put that out there, and you may 374 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: be most familiar with this word um unfortunately slash kind 375 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 1: of fortunately through the work of Alex Jones, and you'll 376 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 1: hear him yelling about it on the internet sometimes. UM. 377 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: But yeah, cointell pro. It's an actual thing. I was 378 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: founded by the FBI in nineteen fifty six, and it 379 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,719 Speaker 1: just kind of a catch all term for a counterintelligence program. 380 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: That's what was short for a counter intelligence program UM 381 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 1: that was designed to stop the Communist Party initially, uh, 382 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: and then it began to kind of branch off and 383 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 1: attack some of these more domestic groups um that we 384 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:21,159 Speaker 1: talked about, including the Socialist Worker Party of course, the 385 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: Black Panthers, and any of the other splinter groups that 386 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 1: we've been talking about throughout, some of which were quite 387 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 1: dangerous and did pose a threat also in their defense 388 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: the clue Klux Klan. Yeah, so they were hunting anything 389 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:37,199 Speaker 1: they saw as subversive. It's a very bad time to 390 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,159 Speaker 1: be a vegan, just just to give you a sense 391 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: of how how rigid their ideology was. On on Uncle 392 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 1: Sam's side, or an animal rights activist, oh yeah, yeah, 393 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 1: or an animal rights activists by the way, I watched 394 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 1: Oh it's not animal rights. Sorry, I watched this movie 395 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 1: called Edge of Darkness last night. It just happened to 396 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,919 Speaker 1: be on HBO, and uh, I was just living through 397 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 1: and it was activists who are trying to expose a 398 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,399 Speaker 1: nuclear weapons program. But it felt very similar like the 399 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: off the grade groups you know that are functioning for 400 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: a higher purpose. Sure, sure, No no credit cards, right, 401 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 1: no credit card usage. Watch out for your phone. It 402 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 1: as GPS. It's not about the money, it's about sending 403 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: a message. Okay, sorry, I know I'm making crazy eyes 404 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:29,360 Speaker 1: at you. I just I get it. Yeah. So the 405 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:35,640 Speaker 1: Panther Party wasn't originally part of the Cotel pro targets right, 406 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: part of the FBI targets, but by nineteen sixty eight, 407 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:43,159 Speaker 1: j Edgar Hoover himself consider them, to be quote, the 408 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 1: greatest threat to the internal security of the country because 409 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 1: he saw them as commies, right, as communists, and additionally 410 00:26:53,960 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: as um people stirring up the pots, you know, most 411 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 1: as insurgents. He saw it as a potential insurgency. Well, yeah, 412 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: it goes back to that existential threat to the United 413 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: States because some of the philosophy and some of the 414 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,120 Speaker 1: some of the truth that is being spoken within these 415 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: groups and being televised speaks to some of the biggest 416 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,880 Speaker 1: problems that exist in the country at this time from 417 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:27,159 Speaker 1: an inequality standpoint. Um, And that's dangerous if you get 418 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:31,439 Speaker 1: enough people to truly follow and believe, especially if you 419 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: have main parts of this group that are armed. I 420 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: can imagine why Jared R. Hoover and some of his 421 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 1: groups were terrified of this type of organization. Yeah, and 422 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,479 Speaker 1: by nineteen sixty nine, the Panthers were what you know, 423 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 1: one of the primary targets steered by Hoover and the 424 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 1: FBI attempted a number of nefarious strategies to weaken the group. 425 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,159 Speaker 1: The FBI was primarily concerned with a sort of a 426 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:03,399 Speaker 1: domino effect or an acretion you know of similar groups 427 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 1: that got together and said, hey, you're on the same page. 428 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,920 Speaker 1: You you also understand the idea or you agree with 429 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: us with his idea of the proletariat right and the 430 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 1: class struggle. Yeah, let's all work together. That's dangerous for 431 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 1: as long as it last. Yeah, I mean, human beings 432 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 1: have been saying let's work together until one of them 433 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,439 Speaker 1: stabs the other one in the back for like before 434 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,679 Speaker 1: recorded history, probably before Homo sapiens. It's just sort of 435 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: our thing. So the fact that Fred Hampton was as 436 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 1: as you pointed out, Matt, this enormously compelling, brilliant speaker, 437 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 1: this unifying force. The fact that he had these capabilities 438 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: made him a target. It put the target on his 439 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: back as far as Uncle Sam was concerned, especially at 440 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 1: the age of one, especially being so young, like he said, 441 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: he's just beginning, and to prevent this growth to um, 442 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 1: to stop him short, the FBI started surveilling Hampton and 443 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 1: his associates to the best of their ability. Wire tapping, 444 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 1: which listening to phone calls, infiltration, They were stealing the 445 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 1: guy's mail, they were reading his stuff. Uh, they attempted extortion, 446 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: they did more. I mean, this is this is an 447 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 1: era of domestic security wherein the same government agency, the FBI, 448 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 1: wrote letters to Dr Martin Luther King, trying to convince 449 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: him to kill himself. Yeah, yeah, who, by the way, 450 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 1: was assassinated just the year prior to when Fred Hampton 451 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: was killed, exactly exactly. There's an escalation. And at the time, 452 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: well though this may sound like common knowledge to a 453 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: lot of us listening today, at the time co intelpro 454 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: was classified, nobody knew what was happening. Nobody knew these 455 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 1: operations were not public until nineteen seventy one. And that's 456 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: important because it means that during the early morning hours 457 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 1: December four, there was no public scrutiny of the actions 458 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: that the FBI and its proxies local law enforcement chose 459 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 1: to take. There was definitely not congressional oversight. And even then, Ah, 460 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: this is terrible to even think, but even then, at 461 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 1: the time, if you look at Congress, I mean, I 462 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 1: can't I can't say this is my opinion, but I 463 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: don't I feel like congressional oversight wouldn't do much for 464 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 1: something like this. Unfortunately, that's just that's just my completely 465 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 1: my opinion. I agree with you. And one thing that 466 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 1: this touches on is something that's occurred in this government 467 00:30:53,840 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: and other governments quite often, which is the conflict between 468 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: elected and unelected officials. Right. You know, if you live 469 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 1: in this country and you are able to vote, you 470 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 1: can vote for a representative, you can vote for a president. 471 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: You cannot vote for a Supreme Court justice, those nine 472 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 1: creepy ring rates that run this place, and everybody still 473 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 1: pretends that's normal. Excuse me, different episodes or like people 474 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: who are on the Federal Reserve. People on the federal Reserve. Yeah, 475 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 1: excellent point. So you, you and I and anyone listening 476 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 1: cannot directly vote for the heads of intelligence agencies. That's 477 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: never gonna be on your ballot. And presidents can come 478 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: and go. But that is a different game, you know 479 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: what I mean. I'm getting creeped out, you know. I 480 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: I'm passionate about this. I feel like I'm preaching to 481 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 1: the choir here, but it but it's true. And the 482 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: reason we bring that up is because we I want 483 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 1: to be very clear that there are people in Congress 484 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: with the best of intentions who had no idea what 485 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: was going on. Yes, you know what I mean, they 486 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: were concerned about their constituency, they were probably they were 487 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 1: probably mainly concerned with being reelected, if we're being honest, 488 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: but they would not have co signed these sorts of actions, 489 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 1: right because now, looking back, we have to ask ourselves 490 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: who were the terrorists who was engaging in guerrilla tactics 491 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 1: who successfully assassinated more people? Oh, I know, I know, 492 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 1: dang well, I'm just asking. I'm just asking this. This 493 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 1: stuff comes to a head in nineteen seventy six the 494 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 1: Select Committee to Study Governmental Operations, which is something you 495 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: hit me to years and years ago, Matt, the Church Committee. Yeah, 496 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,959 Speaker 1: they they finally realized in seventy six that the FBI 497 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 1: was violating the law and had been violating the law 498 00:32:55,800 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 1: in several operations under coin tel pro. Pretty rough stuff. 499 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 1: So the stated aim right of coinel pro when when 500 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: they go into an office and they're like, okay, where 501 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 1: what this is what coentel pro is gonna do. We're 502 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,959 Speaker 1: gonna prevent violence, and uh, that's really what it is. 503 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 1: But some of these the actions that they took during 504 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 1: this it it uh arguably promoted violence between not not 505 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 1: between the FBI and other groups, but between the groups 506 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 1: that the FBI is surveilling under cotel pro, specifically the 507 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 1: Black Panthers and several other rival organizations UM. And we 508 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 1: we mentioned this in our video that we made god 509 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 1: years ago. I don't even know when that was, but 510 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 1: and we talked about two other groups, the United Slaves 511 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 1: and the Blackstone Rangers, who are too other I say, 512 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 1: similar groups, but they're they're very different in many ways. 513 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 1: But it's these two other groups UM were then having 514 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 1: major conflicts with the Black Panthers because of the actions 515 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: taken by the FBI. Yes, and the FBI did not 516 00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: want these groups to unify. In the eyes of the 517 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 1: in the eyes of the Bureau of these groups were 518 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: similar enough that they should be kept apart. They were 519 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 1: considered troublemakers, right, and the FBI also worked ardently to 520 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 1: prevent prominent BPP members from making public appearances. According to 521 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,759 Speaker 1: Noam Chomsky, who I know it can be a controversial 522 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 1: author for some people, cointelpro eventually expanded to include political assassinations. 523 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 1: The reason we say, according to Noam Chomsky, is because 524 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 1: even today you will you will quickly go down a 525 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:39,759 Speaker 1: rabbit hole of various you know what, I'm gonna call 526 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 1: him apologetics. I'm going to call them various attempts at rationalization. 527 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 1: Of assassination. The official story right here, we can we 528 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 1: can just give you the blow by blow back to 529 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 1: the death of Fred Hampton. Supporters of the party claimed 530 00:34:56,040 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 1: Hampton was assassinated and that the government assassinated Hampton because 531 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:05,719 Speaker 1: they feared he could become a visible, unifying leader and icon, 532 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:10,359 Speaker 1: a figurehead of the black power movement. So how did 533 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 1: he actually die. We'll get to that right after a 534 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 1: word from our sponsor, and we're back. In the early 535 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 1: morning hours of December four, nine, six nine, eight Cook 536 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:33,279 Speaker 1: County police officers who were acting under instructions from the 537 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:38,400 Speaker 1: Cook County States Attorney's Office approached the West Side Chicago 538 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 1: headquarters of the Black Panthers. As you might imagine in 539 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,720 Speaker 1: a raid type situation, there was another group of officers 540 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:51,240 Speaker 1: that approached from the back. Everyone inside was still asleep, 541 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:56,120 Speaker 1: including Fred Hampton. Inside what was you say headquarters And 542 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 1: it was really it was an apartment. It was a 543 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 1: flat um. There were nine people still asleep. This is 544 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 1: in the very early morning hours before the sun had 545 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 1: even risen. Yeah, it's crowded apartment, first floor. Nineteen guns 546 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 1: in the apartment, more than a thousand rounds of ammunition. 547 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,880 Speaker 1: The way that The Tribune reported the series of events 548 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 1: was that this was a national hate group known for 549 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 1: their revolutionary politics, more importantly for shooting police officers. That's 550 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 1: there were cop killers. That's how this was reported, right. 551 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 1: Is there any sand to that, Like I mean, is 552 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 1: there may be some kind of conflict between police and 553 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,319 Speaker 1: Black Panthers that resulted in a police officer and being killed, 554 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:45,319 Speaker 1: and they spun it into these are cop murdering savages. Um. 555 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,800 Speaker 1: You know, I don't have the reporting right here with 556 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,279 Speaker 1: me or the police reporting, but into my mind, for 557 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 1: the Chicago Tribune to print that for killing cops, I 558 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,439 Speaker 1: would say that at least a few instances occurred. Yeah, 559 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:06,720 Speaker 1: there there are claims that there were thirty five police 560 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,800 Speaker 1: officers who were murdered by the Black Panthers and the 561 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:14,400 Speaker 1: subsequent Black Liberation Army across the sixties, seventies, and eighties. 562 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,640 Speaker 1: So there were cops. Did note they were shot, and 563 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 1: it's it's important that we mentioned this. People were dying. 564 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:27,360 Speaker 1: It's uh, it's easy tempting, perhaps for some people to 565 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:33,920 Speaker 1: get caught in the game of equivocation or to forget 566 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,800 Speaker 1: that there are actual human lives at stake, you know 567 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:42,719 Speaker 1: what I mean? So we can only imagine that of 568 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 1: the six officers in the back door and the eight 569 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 1: officers in the front, several of them may have thought 570 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,600 Speaker 1: they were on a mission of day I say vengeance. Right. 571 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,480 Speaker 1: So about four forty five am, a Sergeant Daniel Growth 572 00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 1: knocked on the front door of the apartment. There was 573 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:12,720 Speaker 1: no answer, so he knocked with his gun and presumably shouted, 574 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 1: assumably shouted yeah. Then they busted in the door. The 575 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:25,200 Speaker 1: next seven minutes of gunfire become one of the most 576 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:30,399 Speaker 1: intensely debated and disputed incidents of the entire decade. Yeah, 577 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 1: there was a federal grand jury investigation that found that 578 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 1: the police fired in the neighborhood of arranging between eighty 579 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:41,160 Speaker 1: three to nineties shots into this apartment. It is a 580 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,360 Speaker 1: small again, this is an apartment in Chicago. This is 581 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,200 Speaker 1: gonna that that that would just be chaos. I would 582 00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,960 Speaker 1: fear for the lives of the neighbors. And again, the 583 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,239 Speaker 1: one of the nineteen guns in the apartment room by 584 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:58,680 Speaker 1: the b PP, one shotgun discharged. Once there was one 585 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 1: shot fired. Yeah, that's pretty that's pretty rough, pretty pretty damning. Actually, 586 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 1: after the shooting stopped, Fred Hampton was dead at one 587 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:14,440 Speaker 1: and a party leader from Peoria named Mark Clark twenty 588 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:18,919 Speaker 1: two was also shot fatally. And I believe the grand 589 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,640 Speaker 1: jury found that he was the one who knew discharge 590 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,840 Speaker 1: that one shotgun blast. Right, he was as he was 591 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,840 Speaker 1: set to be security. Right, And now we returned to 592 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:35,880 Speaker 1: William O'Neill, Panther and informants. People didn't originally know the 593 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:40,640 Speaker 1: extent of his involvement with the FBI, isn't there, right, Yeah, 594 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,200 Speaker 1: it wasn't until so this occurred. The death occurred in 595 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:47,800 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty nine, and his role wasn't revealed until nineteen 596 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:55,520 Speaker 1: seventy three. Um, and yeah, it's pretty rough actually, So 597 00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:57,719 Speaker 1: we mentioned that he was there was a member of 598 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,800 Speaker 1: the Black Panther Party. He was on the inside, working 599 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,600 Speaker 1: closely with Fred Hampton as well as Mark Clark, and 600 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:11,000 Speaker 1: he was simultaneously serving as an informant for the FBI. Ah, 601 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,759 Speaker 1: he would send information to UH to the FBI. And 602 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:16,719 Speaker 1: by the way, he's a teenager at this time. Is 603 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,000 Speaker 1: that he's a young guy when he's starting out working 604 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:24,239 Speaker 1: with these guys, These people were so young, Yeah, exactly. Um, 605 00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,279 Speaker 1: among the things that he sent to the FBI, the 606 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:32,279 Speaker 1: primary thing I guess that that people focus on is 607 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:36,840 Speaker 1: a floor plan for this apartment that was eventually rated. 608 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,399 Speaker 1: His cover was blown and at you know, at one 609 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:45,759 Speaker 1: point there I believe it was I believe it was 610 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,040 Speaker 1: seventy three when his cover was blown, but I am 611 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,920 Speaker 1: not completely positive. It might have been earlier than that. 612 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,600 Speaker 1: I do not, unfortunately, have that specific information. But he 613 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,040 Speaker 1: ended up going into the Federal Witness Protection Program. Uh, 614 00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,440 Speaker 1: we can say it here. He has name at the 615 00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,239 Speaker 1: time or when he went into the program was William Hart, 616 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,400 Speaker 1: and he moved out to California, UM and then eventually 617 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,879 Speaker 1: he moved back to Chicago in n And the reason 618 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,960 Speaker 1: we're talking about O'Neill in this way is because in 619 00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:18,359 Speaker 1: January of nineteen nine, on Martin Martin Luther King Junior Day, 620 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,560 Speaker 1: he actually took his own life by running out into traffic. 621 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,799 Speaker 1: And we know this because he had an uncle named 622 00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,600 Speaker 1: Ben Heard who was with him that day and his 623 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,040 Speaker 1: story is told by the Chicago Reader and that's what 624 00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,520 Speaker 1: we're reading about here. And he Um specifically, this guy 625 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:37,880 Speaker 1: been Heard, has some insight into O'Neill's life. Yes, he 626 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:42,560 Speaker 1: learned of O'Neill's work with the FBI shortly after the 627 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:46,399 Speaker 1: death of Fred Hampton in nineteen sixty nine, and per 628 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:54,560 Speaker 1: Ben heard O'Neill denied everything that he was asked about, 629 00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,960 Speaker 1: and heard says, I thought about some of the things 630 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,000 Speaker 1: he did and said I asked him, but he denied 631 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,799 Speaker 1: I had it. And then later O'Neill opened up, told 632 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,439 Speaker 1: his uncle he had been in trouble for everything from 633 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,480 Speaker 1: a car theft to kidnapping and torture and so on 634 00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:14,280 Speaker 1: and some pretty heavy things, pretty heavy things. Heard says 635 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,359 Speaker 1: that his nephew told him they had tied someone up 636 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,640 Speaker 1: and we're pouring hot water over his head. They were 637 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,040 Speaker 1: trying to get him to do something. So an FBI 638 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,239 Speaker 1: agent told O'Neill he would take care of all of 639 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:30,239 Speaker 1: it if he turned if he infiltrated the panthers, and 640 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:34,960 Speaker 1: heard believe that O'Neill had regrets, right, I think that's 641 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,120 Speaker 1: pretty safe to say. So he went on to say 642 00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,839 Speaker 1: he was sorry that he did what he ended up 643 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,680 Speaker 1: doing um and that he it was and it was 644 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:47,160 Speaker 1: his impression that this was an FBI raid of the house. 645 00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:52,560 Speaker 1: But the FBI gave it over to the state's attorney 646 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,440 Speaker 1: and then state police local law enforcement took the reins 647 00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:01,200 Speaker 1: from there. Um, they killed Fred Hampton and in this 648 00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,359 Speaker 1: person's estimation, and made sure that he was dead. Yeah, 649 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:10,359 Speaker 1: that's a crucial point here. O'Neill, according to his own 650 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:14,239 Speaker 1: statements before his death, O'Neill thought this was just going 651 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,800 Speaker 1: to be a raid. Maybe people would get arrested for 652 00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:24,400 Speaker 1: possession of firearms or some sort of violation of possession laws. Right, 653 00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:29,439 Speaker 1: Maybe it would have been a drug possession possibly, right. Heck, 654 00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,719 Speaker 1: you know, if they were looking for something, maybe it 655 00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,920 Speaker 1: would have been a violation of the fire code. I 656 00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,760 Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, the biggest thing is the firearms charges. 657 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,840 Speaker 1: You probably should have sent them to prison on just 658 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:45,319 Speaker 1: firearms charges. But that's not how it went down, right, 659 00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:50,680 Speaker 1: So from O'Neill's perspective, Now, as far as we know today, 660 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:55,239 Speaker 1: O'Neill did not say that the FBI on records say 661 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:59,520 Speaker 1: that the FBI lied to him, but they did say 662 00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,720 Speaker 1: origin only that this was simply going to be a raid. 663 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:09,440 Speaker 1: And he was with his nephew the morning after the 664 00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:18,080 Speaker 1: raid in Hampton's apartment and he saw the he saw 665 00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:22,200 Speaker 1: the aftermath. They said there were papers strown all over 666 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,759 Speaker 1: the floor, blood all over. There was a trail of 667 00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,479 Speaker 1: blood from where they the police had dragged Fred's body 668 00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,680 Speaker 1: and William O'Neill in this case, Bill he says, just 669 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:36,799 Speaker 1: stood there in shock and he never thought it would 670 00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,160 Speaker 1: come to this. Like all of his involvement with the FBI, 671 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,480 Speaker 1: he like we keep saying, he didn't think it would 672 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,560 Speaker 1: be a massacre. And that's only to to speak to 673 00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:51,280 Speaker 1: this person who has been um I guess reviled throughout 674 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,120 Speaker 1: history now at this point as being the guy that's 675 00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,120 Speaker 1: set up Fred Hampton painted his judas r Yeah, and 676 00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,120 Speaker 1: and and you know, there's two sides of it. In 677 00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,280 Speaker 1: a way, he was, but in another way, he didn't understand. 678 00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:06,440 Speaker 1: And to be very clear, to be crystal clear, the 679 00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:15,160 Speaker 1: FBI actively conspired to to assassinate or to neutralize, at 680 00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,800 Speaker 1: the very least a twenty one year old boy for 681 00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,080 Speaker 1: his political beliefs because they saw it as a threat 682 00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,120 Speaker 1: to both the economic and the racial or social status 683 00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,400 Speaker 1: quo of the United States. This also occurred during the 684 00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,480 Speaker 1: Vietnam era, where in Hampton and many others like him 685 00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:35,480 Speaker 1: would be lumped together as potentially existential threats to the 686 00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:40,879 Speaker 1: solvency of the nation. Right because this is again, uh, 687 00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,560 Speaker 1: this stuff sounds so crazy. It sounds like people getting 688 00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:48,439 Speaker 1: in a bubble and getting carried away. This bubble was real. 689 00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,200 Speaker 1: I think there was something in the outline here band 690 00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,360 Speaker 1: that that you didn't end up saying. But our buddies, 691 00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,399 Speaker 1: the Culture Kings, have a phrase they use where it's 692 00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,560 Speaker 1: talking about messing with the money, and that's when the 693 00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,359 Speaker 1: government starts really paying it to mention, you know, when 694 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,879 Speaker 1: I get up setting the apple cart in a way 695 00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,440 Speaker 1: that affects economics. I did put that in, and yes, 696 00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:12,000 Speaker 1: in a shout out to Chack keyson Edgar. I didn't 697 00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,960 Speaker 1: originally say it because I I think we still owe 698 00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,919 Speaker 1: them a song. We do, and I'm gonna I'm gonna 699 00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,400 Speaker 1: at least make the track for this next one. I 700 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,040 Speaker 1: don't claim to be c but um, I can definitely 701 00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,719 Speaker 1: make some beats. So let's just let's I commit to that. 702 00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:32,239 Speaker 1: You're great at that fantastic MCS. I said, we put 703 00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:34,800 Speaker 1: it out in just to surprise them out of nowhere 704 00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,799 Speaker 1: and call it hindsight. Yeah, and we know they don't 705 00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,400 Speaker 1: listen to the show, so it's going to be we 706 00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,279 Speaker 1: should have them back on. I had a lot of 707 00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,200 Speaker 1: fun in the Michael Jordan episode. I wasn't around for 708 00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:46,759 Speaker 1: that one. That's right. I forgot they were on. Maybe 709 00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:48,520 Speaker 1: they did listen to the show. What am I saying? Hey, guys, 710 00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:50,520 Speaker 1: you was gonna say you missed out? It was actually 711 00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,759 Speaker 1: really great. I'm sure it was the great people as 712 00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,759 Speaker 1: far as we know, Uh, they are not elements of 713 00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:02,080 Speaker 1: cointelpro and UH and hopefully die either, are you guys. 714 00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,320 Speaker 1: But it's like witch hunt rules, right, Like if you 715 00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,840 Speaker 1: tell me you're not, that's more evidence that you are. Yeah, 716 00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:11,960 Speaker 1: I think I think you'd have to say no, right. 717 00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:13,919 Speaker 1: And and it's also, I'm sure we've said this before, 718 00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,120 Speaker 1: a complete myth that if you ask an undercover cop, 719 00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,520 Speaker 1: if they're an undercover cop, they don't have to tell you. 720 00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:24,359 Speaker 1: It's a total myth. They can commit crimes with you rules. 721 00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,200 Speaker 1: And people would say that's for a greater good. And 722 00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:31,960 Speaker 1: that's the argument, right, that UM succeeded in pitching co 723 00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,919 Speaker 1: in telpro and in violating the laws and the rights 724 00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:41,160 Speaker 1: of U S citizens UH and taking the and taking 725 00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,800 Speaker 1: the lives, taking the one thing that cannot be returned. 726 00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:50,640 Speaker 1: And to this day, officially the FBI, the Justice Department, UH, 727 00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:56,480 Speaker 1: the Chicago Police Force, they reject claims of political skullduggery. Uh. 728 00:47:56,600 --> 00:48:00,960 Speaker 1: They say that the raid was unfortunate. It it was 729 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,759 Speaker 1: not the ideal outcome. But on their side, it was 730 00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,799 Speaker 1: conducted correctly and to the letter of the law. We're 731 00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:11,440 Speaker 1: conducting a raid to find illegal firearms to neutralize a threat. 732 00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:15,320 Speaker 1: In nine seventy one, however, an activist group called the 733 00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:20,719 Speaker 1: Citizens Commission to Investigate the FBI stole co intel Pro documents. 734 00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:24,360 Speaker 1: They stole the paperwork from a field office. And this 735 00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:28,319 Speaker 1: is how that, this is how Cointelpro became a public thing. 736 00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:33,719 Speaker 1: Had they not conducted that raid, you see the parallels here. 737 00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:39,040 Speaker 1: Had they not conducted that illegal raid, then it is possible, 738 00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:43,239 Speaker 1: if not plausible, that Cointelpro would remain a myth and 739 00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:48,239 Speaker 1: a rumor and a conspiracy theory and unproven conspiracy theory 740 00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,640 Speaker 1: even today. Yes. Uh. In April of the same year, 741 00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,520 Speaker 1: by the way, n one, the FBI officially terminated co 742 00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,160 Speaker 1: intel Pro. Yet, numerous critics of the U. S. Government 743 00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:02,400 Speaker 1: believed that programs like this um never really go away. 744 00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:06,080 Speaker 1: The names change, But like Dr Manhattan says, and Watchman nothing, 745 00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:10,160 Speaker 1: nothing never ends. Have you guys seen there's a Watchman 746 00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,919 Speaker 1: series that's coming to HBO. It looks a lot less 747 00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:18,040 Speaker 1: shiny than the Zack Snyder movie. Less shiny. Yeah, I 748 00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:19,880 Speaker 1: felt like the Zack Snyder movie was a little like 749 00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:25,120 Speaker 1: overly polished. Look every scene of painting. Yeah, kind of 750 00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,480 Speaker 1: this one, like, um, what's his name? Ror shacks mask 751 00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:29,440 Speaker 1: is literally just like a sack with kind of like 752 00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,920 Speaker 1: you know, well they're prequels, right, No, I think maybe No, 753 00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:34,480 Speaker 1: I think it's the I don't I don't know. I 754 00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:38,759 Speaker 1: don't know that it is. I think it's I think 755 00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,719 Speaker 1: it might even be either a deeper exploration of the 756 00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,200 Speaker 1: series with more of the because I come on, you 757 00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,359 Speaker 1: need more than a movie to really like go deep 758 00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,880 Speaker 1: into that book, right, there's so much stuff in there 759 00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:51,960 Speaker 1: that they couldn't put in. Dude, I just rewatched it, 760 00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:53,759 Speaker 1: and I think it holds up. I didn't like it. 761 00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,080 Speaker 1: I don't know. I loved it. You did like love 762 00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,600 Speaker 1: all right. I don't know. And maybe it is just nostalgia. 763 00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:01,560 Speaker 1: I think the reason for me was that that was 764 00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:03,719 Speaker 1: such a formative graphic. That was the first graphic now 765 00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:05,239 Speaker 1: I've read where I was like, oh, I see what 766 00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,040 Speaker 1: graphic novels can accomplish. And it was just like mind 767 00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:09,759 Speaker 1: blowing to me. So I felt like it was very 768 00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,440 Speaker 1: sacred to me and to see someone try to do 769 00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:13,960 Speaker 1: I felt like it was a valiant effort. But I 770 00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,080 Speaker 1: also didn't really care for Zack Snyder's style anyway. Alan 771 00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:20,400 Speaker 1: Moore hated it. Yeah, Alan Moore is like, why did 772 00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:24,680 Speaker 1: he watched? He probably didn't even know he he uh 773 00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:28,600 Speaker 1: does write excellent comics for fun. But I think it 774 00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:32,600 Speaker 1: is it's to support his main hobby, his main passion, 775 00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:37,200 Speaker 1: which is just hating stuff. Oh jeez. Uh, it's just 776 00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,759 Speaker 1: interestingly enough here. Uh. And this show is not brought 777 00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,480 Speaker 1: to you by Watchman or HBO. Just so you know 778 00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,160 Speaker 1: that if you go to HBO dot com slash Watchman, 779 00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:51,480 Speaker 1: the first thing you see is nothing ever ends. Yeah, 780 00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,359 Speaker 1: and then the little the little blurb. Oh and Trent 781 00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,680 Speaker 1: Resner and Atticus Ross doing the music. That's pretty dope. 782 00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,839 Speaker 1: And it's a show run by Dame and Linda Laff 783 00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:04,680 Speaker 1: who I believed did did lost. That's correct along with 784 00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:10,120 Speaker 1: j J. Abrams. And unlike Dr Manhattan's quote, unlike his 785 00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:14,719 Speaker 1: observation in the fictional world of Watchman, this love it 786 00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:18,000 Speaker 1: or hate it is the reality in which we have 787 00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:21,759 Speaker 1: collectively lived for the span of this episode, and some 788 00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:25,359 Speaker 1: things do end, namely this episode, but not our show. 789 00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:29,400 Speaker 1: We hope that you enjoyed this cursory journey into the 790 00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:41,000 Speaker 1: murky murky, morally problematic, ethically bankrupt world of domestic intelligence. UM. 791 00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:44,960 Speaker 1: We hope that, regardless of whether or not you agree 792 00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:49,120 Speaker 1: with the views of various groups mentioned in this show, 793 00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,400 Speaker 1: we hope that you can agree that the loss of 794 00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:55,120 Speaker 1: any human life is a tragedy. We also want to 795 00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:59,279 Speaker 1: know if you think co Intel pro really ended, do 796 00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:02,600 Speaker 1: you think it still around? And if so, in what iteration? 797 00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:09,719 Speaker 1: Do you have a story or a particularly suspicious death 798 00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,080 Speaker 1: that you think deserves more attention. Let us know. You 799 00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,480 Speaker 1: can find us on Facebook, you can find us on Instagram, 800 00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:19,360 Speaker 1: you can find us on Twitter. We are conspiracy stuff 801 00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,840 Speaker 1: at any number of those. And you can meet the 802 00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:25,000 Speaker 1: best part of the show, your fellow listeners on our 803 00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:29,160 Speaker 1: Facebook community page. Here's where it gets crazy. Matt Will 804 00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:33,600 Speaker 1: not for for various reasons, various non sketchy reasons, reveal 805 00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:37,000 Speaker 1: his personal Instagram Nolan, I will, I am at Ben 806 00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:40,080 Speaker 1: Boland and I'm at Embryonic Insider And if I'm not mistaken, Matt, 807 00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,480 Speaker 1: you sort of dropped a few clues last time, you're 808 00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,400 Speaker 1: gonna keep it on the d L like that. I 809 00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:49,200 Speaker 1: am at an egg shaped objects, the Twitter egg. You're 810 00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:53,279 Speaker 1: just the twitter ed who anonymous Twitter user. But what 811 00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,759 Speaker 1: if somebody doesn't care for the Internet, you guys, well 812 00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,839 Speaker 1: then I don't know how you're getting by in life 813 00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,160 Speaker 1: these days. But no, you know what, that's not true. 814 00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,720 Speaker 1: There are ways you can STI there's telephony tell offen 815 00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:14,080 Speaker 1: to remember, you guys know ten Jones, that's what they 816 00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:15,640 Speaker 1: used to call it. You guys back in the day, 817 00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:17,440 Speaker 1: remember when, like the early days of the Internet, where 818 00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:19,759 Speaker 1: there would be like a telephone tell Offeny suite in 819 00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,719 Speaker 1: u in um like Prodigy or something where you could 820 00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,600 Speaker 1: make phone calls through the computer. It was crazy phony, 821 00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,840 Speaker 1: literally phony. We do have a number that we have 822 00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:32,279 Speaker 1: an old school number. We are one eight three three 823 00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:37,719 Speaker 1: st d w y t K. Yes, call and leave 824 00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:41,560 Speaker 1: a message. But what happens if what happens if someone says, Okay, 825 00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,320 Speaker 1: I don't want to use social media and I hate 826 00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:48,120 Speaker 1: phones because it's you know, twenty nineteen. Absolutely just send 827 00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,759 Speaker 1: us a good old fashioned email. We are conspiracy at 828 00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:51,839 Speaker 1: has stuff Works dot com.