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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Colts Reunion Podcast, a conversation with former

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Speaker 1: Colts players oh look back at their career, what they're

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Speaker 1: up to now, and how the Colts played a positive

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Speaker 1: role in their lives. Welcome to another Colts Reunion podcast.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining in today. I'm Matt Taylor with Ring

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Speaker 1: of Honor member Bill Brooks, and the Ring of Honor

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Speaker 1: is the theme of today's podcast because our guest today

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Speaker 1: is also a Ring of Honor member. Seven time Pro bowler,

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Speaker 1: two time First Team All Pro, three times second Team

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Speaker 1: in Colts history. Chris Henton is with us today. He

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Speaker 1: played for the Colts from nineteen eighty three to nineteen

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Speaker 1: the Vikings. He was drafted fourth overall in nineteen eighty

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Speaker 1: three and got a front row seat to the Colts

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Speaker 1: move to Indianapolis in nineteen eighty four. Chris, thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for the time today. How are you mad, Bill Um,

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Speaker 1: I'm great, Thanks for having me and uh look forward

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Speaker 1: to looking forward to talking a little bit about the

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Speaker 1: Colt Yeah, let's go down memory lane a little bit

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Speaker 1: and talk about your greatness. But before we do that,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about you. What are you up to these days?

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Speaker 1: And uh, you know, what's what's a normal you know,

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Speaker 1: great Chris Hinton. Wow, that's a that's a easy question

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Speaker 1: to answer. After um Um, Basically, I'm retired after nearly

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Speaker 1: And basically, I'm I feel like I'm healthier than than

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Speaker 1: to to get get things done. So life is good. Chris.

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Speaker 1: You uh, now you left out there. You know you

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Speaker 1: one of your sons that played at University of Michigan

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Speaker 1: was Jim Harball. Now, how was that as as a

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Speaker 1: his first game Christopher um our Son's name, his first

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Speaker 1: So it was it was kind of it was pretty

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Speaker 1: And it was it was pleasurable and I mean, as

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Speaker 1: But I think Chris, there's a there's a whole generation

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Speaker 1: it was always a good experience and we were always

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Speaker 1: a tight knit group. You know, Kevin carlbron So you

427
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: know been uh Randy who who who is probably one

428
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Speaker 1: of the more underrated offensive linemen, you know, you know

429
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,120
Speaker 1: in coach history one one of I mean, he did

430
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 1: a phenomenal job. Well, Chris again, I want to set

431
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 1: the stage again. All Pro season, uh in nineteen eighty seven,

432
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,479
Speaker 1: three time a second team All Pro player, you were

433
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: part of a part of six Pro Bowls in Indianapolis. Again,

434
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:48,679
Speaker 1: you're in the Ring of honor. But if you can,

435
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 1: can you take me back a little bit to to

436
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:54,159
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty three, You make the Pro Bowl your rookie

437
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: season in Baltimore, and then the team moves the following

438
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 1: off season in March. Do you remember, you know, how

439
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: how you found out just what your feelings were, you know,

440
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 1: moving a city, you know, like you said, you get

441
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: drafted by Denver, then Baltimore to Indianapolis, three cities and

442
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 1: like a year and a half. How did you feel

443
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 1: about that? Yeah, I just like a quick snapshot, you know. Drafted, April,

444
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 1: traded two weeks later, UM moved to Baltimore. Buy a place. No, no, no,

445
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 1: buy a townhouse. Closed on it in August. Team moves

446
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 1: the next spring. Yeah, and that's that's when interest rates

447
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 1: for like fourteen percent from the nightmare. But you know,

448
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: I heard a friend of mine who was actually working

449
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 1: for the Chicago Tribune. U saw it over the wire team,

450
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 1: you know, the coach moving. That's how I heard about it.

451
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 1: You know. So nobody from the team called you or

452
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: gave you a heads up or anything. No, it didn't work. No,

453
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: I found out about it, you know. I mean because

454
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: at the time, there were there were I guess about

455
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: three cities that it could happen if it was going

456
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: to happen, and so we were, you know, some of

457
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 1: some of the guys we were like, hey, I hope

458
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,640
Speaker 1: it's this city or I think Arizona might have been

459
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: one of the states that that was a possibility. But

460
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: but it was UM. We had no clue. UM and

461
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: UM but just at the time planning that that year

462
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: playing in Baltimore, it was it was awesome experience planning

463
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: in old Memorial Stadium memories all I'll never forget, but

464
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: I mean there were some games where they were like

465
00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: nobody there, so it was I got something had to

466
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: be done. Um, I know, um, I thought we were

467
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,239
Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh when we played Distillers that year. They were

468
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: the stadium was full of but um. Arriving in Indianapolis,

469
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: it was it was refreshing. It was three hours from

470
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Speaker 1: two and a half hours from from home Chicago, and

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00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: so it was it was great that a lot of

472
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: my relatives and family could come come to games on

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Speaker 1: the regular basis. It's you know, to a degree though,

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00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it was nice to be closed

475
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: two closed yea, Seattle sounded really good. Come on, Chris,

476
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: that that first year in Indianapolis. So those first couple

477
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: of years in the then who's your dome? What was

478
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: it like to play, first of all inside in a

479
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: dome on astro turf. I'm not sure if you had

480
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: you had played, um, you know on that that since

481
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: that a surface before. But what did you make of

482
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: of football in Indiana at the time? What were the

483
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: fans like? What was it like to be at those

484
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: early Cults games at the Hoosier Dome in downtown Indianapolis.

485
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: Actually it was um. Like I said, it was a

486
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: breadth of a fresh air um coming from Old Memorial

487
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: Stadium to to the Dome and it was exciting. On

488
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: the turf was horrible, but uh, I agree Chris. Yeah.

489
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,959
Speaker 1: Once once I saw and rolled that stuff out onto

490
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: the concrete um floor, I was like, this is this

491
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: is does not look good. But uh, but the fans

492
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: we were awesome. Um, And I just hate that we

493
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: couldn't have produced a better product because to equal on

494
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: the support and what the fans were. I mean because

495
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: they were. I mean it was it was new and

496
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: and um, but it was it was, it was. It

497
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: was a good transition. I enjoyed my time in Indianapolis.

498
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: Was there any favorite moment that you can let us

499
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: know about your time here in Indianapolis while you played. Yeah,

500
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: you know people ask me that, and I mean immediately

501
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: I think of the Halloween game. Yeah, when we played

502
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: the Broncos, the team that that used me as trade base.

503
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: It was serious. It was a little bit. You know.

504
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: It's funny because I remember seeing a a piece on

505
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: on the trade and Dan Reeves, who who called me,

506
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: who was the coach of the Broncos at the time,

507
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: and called me right after the trade and apologetic and

508
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: you know we we we drafted you to you know,

509
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: to be a Bronco and you know, just the opportunity came. Yeah,

510
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: I get a coach. I appreciate it. And then then

511
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: I see him on the show said yeah, we knew,

512
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: we knew the coach we like hitting, and so we

513
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: we drafted him as as as a potential trade. I'm like, dude,

514
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: but that game was I've never experienced a game like

515
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: that where everything we did worked um and um it

516
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: was and and and against the team and just Halloween

517
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: night and our first Monday night game and so all

518
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: of that you put all that together and just made it.

519
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: I mean such a memorable game and experience in Indianapolis

520
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: that you know, every time we get together with some

521
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: some some former coats, um um, that Monday night game

522
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,959
Speaker 1: comes up in conversations, and I think now we're up

523
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: to like two hundred points. I mean every time we

524
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: were together we had another touch Uh. I think I

525
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: score three touchdowns. Hey, Chris, I want to go and

526
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: ask you about a gentleman that does our color for

527
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: our radio works with Matt Taylor on our radio broadcast

528
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: during the games. Rick Ventura, you had him as a

529
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: coach at Northwestern, and you also have had him as

530
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: a coach here with ending up his coach. Can you

531
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: tell something about Rick or give us a little bit

532
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: about Rick, his coaching style, how he was as a coach,

533
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,239
Speaker 1: especially at Northwestern. We kind of know a little bit

534
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: about him as a coach here of the coach, but

535
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: what he means to you and how specially was he

536
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: to you. Yeah. I couldn't get rid of him, and

537
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: me neither. So after my sophomore year at Northwestern he

538
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: gets fired and I think that's that's it. I'm done

539
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: with Rick now. No, he um, he always believed in me.

540
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: And this was back when, um, you know, coaches would

541
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:09,280
Speaker 1: actually go to a player's house and and and signed

542
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: the player. And so he came to the South side

543
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: of Chicago and at the time with Marche whatever it

544
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: was in February I believe it was, I remember it

545
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: was now. But anyway, he comes to our house and

546
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: and and I actually signed my letter intent and so

547
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,919
Speaker 1: we go way back when I was sixteen seventeen years old.

548
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: Rick and He's always been professional gentleman. Um. And every

549
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,399
Speaker 1: time when I'm in the Indianapolis for a game or something,

550
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: I always try to make sure I get a chance

551
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: to say hello to him. Yeah, he's a good man.

552
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,399
Speaker 1: Great now to the game, and he's good man, does

553
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 1: a great job on the broadcast, and we think a

554
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 1: lot of ricks, so we kind of echo those sentiments

555
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: as well, Chris, no doubt about it. Hey, Chris, you

556
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: talk about coming back for games, Um, I'm assuming you've

557
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: been back for a handful of those those Ring of

558
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: Honor games, you know, for guys like Peyton Manning and

559
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 1: Reggie Wayne, Robert Mathist, White Freney. What what's it like

560
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: for you coming back to Indianapolis for those ceremonies as

561
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: a guy that's wearing that I mean, both of you, guys,

562
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: Bill and Chris, Uh, you know, what's it what's it

563
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 1: like for you standing on the field shaking those hands

564
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: as a guy that's wearing that blue jacket. Yeah, to

565
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: your point earlier that there's a generation of Coats fans

566
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 1: that that don't know a whole lot about myself and Billy,

567
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: and so it's it's neat that and and I honor

568
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: the fact that Billy and I were able to represent, right,

569
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 1: you know, an era of colts football, and so I

570
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: I don't take it lightly. And it's it's neat to

571
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: connect have that that connection with with the with the

572
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning um, the Super Bowl era and and and

573
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: in our time when we came to Indianapolis. So well,

574
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: I gotta ask you, what what was it like playing

575
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: with Bill Brooks? I mean, what kind of diva was he? How?

576
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 1: How big of a pain was Bill Brooks back in

577
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: the day, Chris, Chris, remember remember that no disclosure class.

578
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: We have a funny story about Bill. I think it

579
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: was his rookie year and then we started out horribly.

580
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: I mean we were like oh whatever at oh at

581
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,760
Speaker 1: thirteen and then probably about it at the ninth game,

582
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 1: the oh and nine game. Billy just yeah, he just

583
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 1: I've never experienced this before he was here. And I

584
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: want to north question. I was four and forty in

585
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,959
Speaker 1: my four years, so I've had some experience dealing with

586
00:36:56,200 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: grief and and and loss and as far as football,

587
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 1: and so Billy's like, because I'm seventy five, number seventy five,

588
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: and so number eighty. Lockers are numerically so Bill's near

589
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 1: me and he's he's bawling. So I had to like

590
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: explain to him, Man, the suck it up bad. This

591
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: is we were not a very good football team. But

592
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: I just remember just I mean, Bill was always a

593
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 1: competitor and and and and those tears that he had

594
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 1: were tears of frustration and and and one that compete

595
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 1: and won to win. And that's type of teammate and

596
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: and and and again. You know people current fans don't

597
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: know and and can appreciate what what Billy was as

598
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: a teammate and as a football player. I mean we've

599
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 1: won a bunch of games for us. I mean, it's

600
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: a phenomenal player. Well, Chris, I appreciate that. And you

601
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: were like my big brother to me. Um, you took

602
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: care of me, washed out for me, and kept me

603
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: in line when I stepped out of line. And uh,

604
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 1: give me a lot of good, good advice in my

605
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: rookie year and a couple of years after that. So

606
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: I appreciate it, Chris. Thank you. You know I went

607
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 1: by the whole you know, don't don't do as I do.

608
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: That's good advice. Well, Chris, it's it's so awesome for me.

609
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: Personally to meet you or talk to you for the

610
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 1: first time, at least over the phone. It's been awesome,

611
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: you know, getting to know you a little bit, you know,

612
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: with your career with the Colts and a whole different

613
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: age group of Colts fans get to understand you know,

614
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: who you were and who you are and how great

615
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: you were as a player. So thanks so much for

616
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: the time, and uh, continue success and good luck to

617
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,760
Speaker 1: your boys with football with whatever comes up their way.

618
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,479
Speaker 1: Thanks Matt and Bill appreciate it and look forward to

619
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: getting up to Indianapolis and rooting on the Colts and

620
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: having a great twenty twenty two seasons. Absolutely, yeah, let

621
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 1: us know when you're in town. Definitely, Thanks Chris where

622
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: we appreciate it, all right, be good, guys,