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Speaker 1: This is the first year of our podcast, by the way,

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Speaker 2: We are here, and this episode, you know, it's gonna

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Speaker 1: You certainly are. We're gonna pick some of our favorite

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Speaker 1: I Love You. This is a podcast for those who

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Speaker 1: God, this has been a stinky diary all year.

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Speaker 1: Dwayne the Rock Johnson. I really wanted him to be

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Speaker 1: able to pull this kind of character off, that kind

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Speaker 1: of like sensitivo gentle giant type that has like a

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Speaker 1: drug problem and has you know, confidence issues and you

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Speaker 1: know self esteem issues, this kind of thing. I just

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Speaker 1: felt like he wasn't able to get there one hundred percent.

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Speaker 2: That's how I feelt.

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Speaker 1: And then I started thinking about is there another wrestler

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Speaker 1: that I that could be in prosthetic makeup that could

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Speaker 1: possibly have done it? And I was thinking, well, I

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Speaker 1: don't know what about like Dave Boti.

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Speaker 2: Or I was gonna say, I've been impressed with Dave Bautista.

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Speaker 2: I feel like he actually has developed into a great actor,

448
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Speaker 2: and I've seen him in stuff that I'm like, he

449
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 2: looks vulnerable and it makes me feel and he takes

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Speaker 2: it very seriously as a craft and not that The

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Speaker 2: Rock doesn't, but I just I think Dave Bautista maybe

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Speaker 2: could have gone where The Rock could end.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I totally agree. You know, my favorite movie of

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four The Last show Girl. He was in that,

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Speaker 1: and he was great in that He's got something else.

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Speaker 1: There's like an extra layer of nuance to his characters

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Speaker 1: that I feel like would have served him really well

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Speaker 1: in the Smashing Machine. But anyway, The Rock, I just

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Speaker 1: don't think The Rock has dialed in like it.

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Speaker 2: I like Dave Bautista, and it seems like he's getting

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Speaker 2: a lot of work in interesting projects too, Like he

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Speaker 2: he's good in Dune, he's freaky in Dune. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: uh yeah, yeah, well.

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Speaker 1: It's an interesting film Smashing Machine because it was kind

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Speaker 1: of like really understated, which I'm not like, I'm not

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Speaker 1: turned off by that, but I do feel like I

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Speaker 1: was missing that pull into that main character, you know,

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Speaker 1: like when he started crying when he lost the match,

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Speaker 1: I was like, is he upset? I can't tell what's

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Speaker 1: going on. I know, yeah, but the prosthetics are insane.

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Speaker 2: He looks so huge.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he looks I mean, he looks like like an

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Speaker 1: actual smashing machine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, what else did you watch?

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Speaker 1: So? I was turning on TCM to watch our friend

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Speaker 1: Cad and Mark Gardner, friend of the podcast, and his

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Speaker 1: co writer Willow maclay, of their amazing book about transfilm images.

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Speaker 1: It's called Corpses, Fools and Monsters. They were on TCM

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Speaker 1: and they both each hosted a night of films, and

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Speaker 1: Willow did the first night, and she picked a great

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Speaker 1: Robert Altman film that I'd seen before called Come Back

482
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Speaker 1: to the Five and Dime Jimmy Dean Jimmy Dean from

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty two, and yeah, it's a it's an interesting film.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it kind of feels like a play.

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Speaker 2: And it's I've never seen it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like it's When I first saw it, I

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Speaker 1: had it took me a while to get used to

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Speaker 1: it because it feels like it's being it feels like

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Speaker 1: it's happening in one big room, which it kind of is.

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Speaker 1: The way that it's being shot, though, feels like it's

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Speaker 1: kind of like television a little bit. Uh. There's kind

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Speaker 1: of interesting angles happening, and it's kind of like an

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Speaker 1: ensemble female cast, which is the best thing about it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you've got like share Karen Black, Sandy Dennis,

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Speaker 1: Kathy Bates, who's amazing in it. You also have Mark Patton,

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Speaker 1: who was most famously in the second Nightmare on Elm

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Speaker 1: Street sequel. He is in the film. And it's just

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Speaker 1: it's an interesting movie. It's basically about a group of

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Speaker 1: people who were obsessed with James Dean in the fifties

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Speaker 1: and then they get together, you know, many years down

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Speaker 1: the line and kind of reunite, and you know, it's

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Speaker 1: just about their interpersonal relationships. And I won't give it away,

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Speaker 1: but obviously it was playing during a trans Images Film festival,

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Speaker 1: so I'll just throw that out there. But yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: good to see that again. I liked it a lot more.

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Speaker 1: I've seen it like a couple of times. I liked

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Speaker 1: it a lot more now than I did. I think

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Speaker 1: the first time I.

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Speaker 2: Saw it so okay.

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Speaker 1: And then because I was watching TCM the next night,

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Speaker 1: I they're doing there a month on Rock Hudson, and

512
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Speaker 1: so I had to sit down and watch All That

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Speaker 1: Heaven Allows from nineteen fifty five.

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Speaker 2: Again.

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Speaker 1: I've seen it like five times easily. You're a fan

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Speaker 1: of this movie. Have you seen this movie?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, it's amazing. It's incredible. Listen, great fall movie.

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Speaker 1: Oh I was gonna say it was the perfect movie

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Speaker 1: to watch when it's chilly, the leaves are turning, snow's falling.

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00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: I mean it's like you just want to snuggle up

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Speaker 1: with Ron Kirby, Like.

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Speaker 2: I just want to go to New England. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: want to peep some leaves.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is extremely horny alert. I'm just gonna

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Speaker 1: throw this out there, but like Rock Hudson as Ron

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Speaker 1: Kirby is has got to be the most attractive film

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Speaker 1: character in film history.

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Speaker 2: Can I read you my letterbox review? Very sure? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Yes please?

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Speaker 2: Rock Hudson is interdimensionally hot in this movie. His sexiness

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Speaker 2: could bend time. And that's how I felt.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I mean, besides the fact

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Speaker 1: that Rock Hudson is just a beefy Illinois boy and

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Speaker 1: has dark hair and you know, it's just handsome. His

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Speaker 1: character is a fucking gardener who's like a bohemian who

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Speaker 1: like basically decides to walk away from like capitalism and

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Speaker 1: mainstream patriarchal white crust society to like live in the

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Speaker 1: woods and restore an old mill. And are you joking?

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Speaker 1: It's like a fucking dream. That's that's my dream?

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Speaker 2: Any real?

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Speaker 1: He reads Henry David throw and he like has lobster

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Speaker 1: parties with like his friends and his it's like just

543
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Speaker 1: like really has that jua de vivra, and it's just like,

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Speaker 1: that's got to be the hottest movie character that was

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Speaker 1: ever written. And he the hottest man plays him. That's crazy.

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Speaker 2: It's so funny because it's like he's so attractive, he

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Speaker 2: owns his own business, he has his own house. But

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00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 2: polite society is like, this man is a demon.

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Speaker 1: I would you know. That's the thing is that in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five he look at this and like, what

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Speaker 1: a bunch of fucking dodos.

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Speaker 2: Like, by the way, all these people like are that now.

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00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: Like every rich white person that I know is got

554
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Speaker 1: like an Etsy shop that's selling you know, hundred state

555
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Speaker 1: plants or whatever. The fuck. They're all wanting to be

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Speaker 1: bohemian bohos. Yeah, and yet in this movie they're like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, he is a I'm a demon. He's

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Speaker 1: a demon.

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Speaker 2: I'm a demon? And do you like the movie Far

560
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Speaker 2: from Heaven? I always I kind of think of these

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Speaker 2: in conversation with one another.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, of course this isn't that what it's inspired Like

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Speaker 1: Parvar Haavn was inspired for Douglas sir. Yeah, I listen.

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Speaker 1: Can't you can't get me to not watch a melodrama

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Speaker 1: any era, any situation. So I love you Ron Kirby,

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Speaker 1: My boyfriend love you Ron kirk I would dump movies

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Speaker 1: to be with Ron Kirby. Let's just say that.

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Speaker 2: Wow, here we go. Okay, there we go. All right,

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Speaker 2: my turn mine? Aren't that exciting? I watched, Well, I

570
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Speaker 2: guess this movie is exciting. I watched The Last Seduction

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Speaker 2: with Linda Fiorentino Unbelievable nineteen ninety four. This comes up

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Speaker 2: in a future episode you'll see what. Okay, but I

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Speaker 2: thought this was really great. It's really funny and it

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Speaker 2: is sexy. But it's a noir, but it doesn't take

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Speaker 2: itself very seriously. It's almost like I would say, it's

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Speaker 2: more of a black comedy, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So enjoyed that one. Yes. And then you know who

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Speaker 2: I really like who's in that movie? JT Walsh. You

580
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 2: know the actor Jjis. I love him. Every time he

581
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 2: pops up in something, I'm like, hell yeah, he's just

582
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 2: like this kind of gross asshole. I don't know, he's great.

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Speaker 2: I love him. And then I watched you know, I've

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Speaker 2: talked about watching the Decalogue, Man, I talk about this already,

585
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Speaker 2: the second one. Okay, I watched the first one. I

586
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Speaker 2: watched Decalogue two, two of ten, and this one is

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Speaker 2: about a woman who whose husband is ill and in

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Speaker 2: the hospital, but she starts an affair with another man

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Speaker 2: and gets pregnant by this other man, and she's like,

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Speaker 2: is my husband going to survive because it seems like

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Speaker 2: he's about to die. Because if he's going to survive,

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Speaker 2: I can't keep this baby. But if he's going to die,

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Speaker 2: I'll keep the baby. Wow. And she asks her husband's doctor,

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Speaker 2: you have to tell me is he going to die

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Speaker 2: or not? And the doctor has to kind of decide

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Speaker 2: do I tell her the truth, which is I don't know,

597
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Speaker 2: or do I make up something to save this child

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Speaker 2: potential child? You know? So watch it to figure out

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Speaker 2: what they do.

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Speaker 1: I feel like the decalogue is your quest, your side quest,

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Speaker 1: cinematic side quest.

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Speaker 2: Right, it's so easy, though. The movies are an hour.

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Speaker 2: So well. Enjoying it though, But that's all I watched.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, close it up, goodbye, goodbye, bye, good bye.

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Speaker 2: I'm a demon. All right, everybody, we're to talk about

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Speaker 2: the best of twenty twenty five. Millie, how should we

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00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 2: do this? We both have our top three movies of

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Speaker 2: the year.

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Speaker 1: I feel like we have some similarities, so I don't

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Speaker 1: really know.

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Speaker 2: Maybe let's let's wait to do the top three and

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Speaker 2: maybe we can do our best first time watch, favorite

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Speaker 2: first time watch of the year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what's your what's your favorite first time watch of

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Speaker 2: the year.

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Speaker 1: Well, I have three love it Okay, cool. I've talked

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Speaker 1: about these at some point on an episode, So please

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Speaker 1: go back and listen to every single episode we've done

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Speaker 1: so far or the podcast to hear more about them.

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Speaker 2: That's your homework assignment. Press pause on this one. Go back,

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Speaker 2: listen to every single episode. Come back to this point

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Speaker 2: in time on this episode.

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Speaker 1: That's right, So okay, you're back. Let's talk about my

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Speaker 1: favorite first time watches for this year. So this is again.

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Speaker 1: This is when you watch a film for the very

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Speaker 1: first time, is an older film and you're watching it

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Speaker 1: this year for the first time. So I'm gonna go

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Speaker 1: down my list. I watched Bona Lino Broker's Bona from

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty had a great Blu ray release this year,

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Speaker 1: and very much enjoyed that. Speaking of melodrama, love the

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Speaker 1: Lino broken movies. I hope they put out more. That's

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Speaker 1: all I'm saying. He did a lot, so keep him coming. Then,

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Speaker 1: of course I'd be remiss if I didn't mention My

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Speaker 1: favorite first time watched IF twenty twenty five was ephis

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Speaker 1: from twenty twenty four, the.

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Speaker 2: Movie that Haunted Us Haunted the podcast. You should get

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Speaker 2: that filmmaker on the show. We should We should get

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Speaker 2: him as a guest.

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Speaker 1: We could be like we stalked you for an entire

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Speaker 1: calendar year. But yeah, we had so many mentions of

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00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: this movie. I finally watched it thought it was great.

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Speaker 1: So that was a great sa I watched and my

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Speaker 1: last one, of course I have Like I was going

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Speaker 1: through all my first time watches on my letterbox, going like, okay,

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Speaker 1: which one is my favorite? And I was like, no,

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Speaker 1: this has got to be the most, the most pleasurable.

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Speaker 2: I think it was.

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Speaker 1: This might have been the most pleasurable movie in the

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Speaker 1: theater experience I had this year, which is what I

651
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 1: saw Night of the Juggler from nineteen eighty at the

652
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: Plaza Theater in Atlanta, Georgia. My god, what a fucking blast,

653
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 1: What a blast. I've been handing out my copy of

654
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: the Blu Ray to all my friends being like, hey,

655
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 1: you should watch this, but get back to me whenever.

656
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 2: That's great, So doing the Lord's work. You know, this

657
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 2: must be on some sort of tour because this is showing,

658
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 2: and this showed in Minneapolis recently at the Trylon Theater.

659
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 2: I get to see it. No, I couldn't go.

660
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: But what's your what's your problem? Why didn't you go?

661
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 2: I'm sorry?

662
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: God, I mean, just you know, put your baby in

663
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: the closet and then a little give it a couple

664
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: of blankets and she'll be fine.

665
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 2: She can come, she can watch Oh my god, ish you.

666
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: Would take her to Night of the Juggler. They'd be amazing.

667
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 2: No, I would come on. I wouldn't want to. It's

668
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 2: a little different than the Teletubbies or Miss Rachel whatever.

669
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: But hey, if this was nineteen seventy nine, you'd be

670
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: saying something totally different.

671
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 2: So I have been exposing patients to a little show

672
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 2: called Peewee's Playhouse though. Oh good, And she's been really

673
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 2: loving that. So that's good, expanding her mind already.

674
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 1: All right, Riturn.

675
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 2: Fabulous, my turn. Okay, So, I mean all these I've

676
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 2: talked about before, but and I talked about this when

677
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 2: we were on My Favorite Murder. But I recently I

678
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,399
Speaker 2: had at that time recently watched truly madly deeply from

679
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety. I just think this is like such a beautiful, funny,

680
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 2: spooky movie. Yeah, I just highly recommend it. If you're

681
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 2: a romantic you should check it out. And you like

682
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 2: good movies, check out truly, madly, deeply. Then I one

683
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 2: of my movies. These are movies that have just kind

684
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 2: of been stuck in my head this year. You know.

685
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 2: Another one is Thelma from twenty twenty four starring June's Squib.

686
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,879
Speaker 2: This was so much fun and it was so it

687
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 2: was so funny and just such a delightful movie, and

688
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 2: I just loved everybody in it, June Squib, I loved

689
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 2: Richard Rountree. I love this actor Fred Heckinger, who is

690
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,720
Speaker 2: also in the first season of White Lotus. I really

691
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:31,800
Speaker 2: enjoy him. And yeah, Filma is just a treat. Highly

692
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 2: recommend it, so funny, just a heartwarming film. And then

693
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 2: my third one is I watched You Hurt My Feelings

694
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 2: by Nicole Holliff Center. I don't know, I just think

695
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 2: about this movie all the time. Maybe it's because I'm

696
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 2: a creative person and I think about how people in

697
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 2: my life perceive the stuff that I create. And in

698
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 2: You Hurt My Feelings, she overhears her husband saying he

699
00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 2: doesn't like her latest book. And I think that be

700
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 2: very painful as a creative person. And I feel like,

701
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 2: I don't know, I just sort of scratched something in

702
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 2: my brain.

703
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: Would you get a divorce?

704
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,879
Speaker 2: No, I wouldn't get a divorce really, but it would

705
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 2: hurt my feelings. And I would say you hurt my feelings.

706
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: Like what Aftricia was like, Casey, let's have a talk.

707
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: I know that you just worked your ass off on

708
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 1: your first movie, and you know you really like put

709
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: in a lot of work and creative juice. But I

710
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 1: gotta tell you it is not good. And I mean

711
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: that sincerely, like you should probably have not even tempted it.

712
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:49,399
Speaker 2: If she said it like that, I probably would ask

713
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 2: for a God, I'd be fucking got it. If some

714
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 2: wouldn't that be awful?

715
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, somebody like came up to me and said, I'm

716
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 1: trying to think of the most creative thing I've ever done.

717
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: I was probably like read a book or whatever. Like

718
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: somebody said like, oh, Millie, God, that TC Underground book

719
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: you co wrote was so bad and cringe and awful,

720
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 1: and it sounded like you didn't even know what the

721
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: fuck you were talking about I wouldn't have even signed

722
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 1: up to do it, to be honest.

723
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's a institution. Dude, What can you imagine?

724
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 2: I mean, why would a person say it like that?

725
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 2: But it like, I think the painful thing is that

726
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 2: if you overheard that, it's like unfiltered, you know, saying

727
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 2: if you like, if you overheard them saying that to somebody,

728
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 2: I feel like that would be so painful. And I mean,

729
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 2: you know, when you were reciting the problems that you had,

730
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 2: that that you imagine someone saying about your book, those

731
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 2: came very quickly. They were quick on the tongue. So

732
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 2: I feel like you have sensitivities about the work you make,

733
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 2: you know, in general, and you're worried that people are

734
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 2: going to pinpoint on those things that you're sensitive about.

735
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 3: You know.

736
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 1: Well, it's like air Cobies. Is that I'm an artist

737
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: and I'm sensitive about my shit it. Yeah, I mean,

738
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: you can't help it. It's like it is like you're

739
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: laid bareer and if if you like, oh god, if

740
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:12,320
Speaker 1: you over hear somebody saying it in this very bleak way,

741
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 1: oh my god, I would I would divorce and I

742
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: would I would, I would have to live in impatient hospital,

743
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 1: like I just would be bereft.

744
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:29,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would probably be like divorce, quit my job, uh,

745
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:37,919
Speaker 2: convert religions. I mean honest, I don't know, like would

746
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 2: be horrible. So I love that movie though, I just

747
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 2: thought it was so Nicole holl Center is so good,

748
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 2: I know.

749
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: And also she's like justice for socks. There's like a

750
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: whole sock. Can we talk about this the last time?

751
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: Your Yeah, I don't get this, not quirky socks. I

752
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: like socks as a.

753
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 2: There have been multiple scenes in movies with men at

754
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 2: SoC stores in two of her movies, and there might

755
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 2: be more. I haven't even seen all of her movies.

756
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 2: Friends with Money, and now you've hurt my feelings. Yeah, really,

757
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 2: let's get to our top three of the year, shall we?

758
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: Okay?

759
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 2: Now, I feel like we'd we came up with these.

760
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 2: I didn't know what hers were before I came up

761
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 2: with mine, and unfortunately they're very similar lists or maybe fortunately,

762
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 2: I don't know.

763
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: Do you think that we should just state the two

764
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 1: that we had in common and then we can each

765
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:38,720
Speaker 1: talk about the one we didn't have in common.

766
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 2: That sounds good, Okay, So I think do you do

767
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 2: you are yours ranked or are they just the top three?

768
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 1: It's just the top three. I mean they're sort of ranked,

769
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 1: but honestly, my top two are pretty much her top two.

770
00:43:55,160 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 2: Okay, or you know, so you start with whichever one

771
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:02,439
Speaker 2: you want to start with.

772
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: Well, I will say one of my tops of the

773
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:09,760
Speaker 1: year twenty twenty five had to be Matt Wolfe's documentary

774
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: Pee Wee as Himself HBO Max a Jobber not when

775
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: it came out right, it was pretty pretty, pretty big.

776
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 2: Oh man, I think about this movie all the time,

777
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 2: I feel like, and I do feel like that is

778
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 2: sort of what I grade movies on, like how much

779
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 2: it stays with me. Because you'll watch a movie and

780
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:32,879
Speaker 2: you're like, man, that was good, and then you don't

781
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 2: think about it, and I feel like that means it

782
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 2: wasn't that powerful. But this documentary I think about constantly.

783
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 2: I think about Paul Rubins constantly, and I think about

784
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 2: how I want to be viewed as an artist. You know,

785
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 2: a lot of it I think is really interesting how

786
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 2: he's like has this sort of difficult relationship with Pee

787
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 2: Wee Herman, and how he wants to be seen Paul

788
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 2: Rubin as an artist and a creative person, but Peewee

789
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 2: gets the credit or other people like Tim Burton kind

790
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 2: of get the credit. And he wants to be seen

791
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 2: a certain way, and he even has difficulty in his

792
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 2: relationship with the director in the movie. He wants to

793
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 2: be seen a certain way. And I feel like that's

794
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 2: a very powerful thing and I relate to that a lot. Yeah,

795
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 2: I want to be seen a certain way and like

796
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 2: how are people seeing me? Yeah, you know, it's like

797
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 2: a very basic human thing that I think is explored

798
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 2: in this movie.

799
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: And well, and to that point, I think, you know,

800
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 1: I talked about this a little bit. I think we

801
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: ended up cutting it though, because I went really long

802
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: and I didn't feel like I was being as articulate

803
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: as I wanted to be about the point. But it

804
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 1: also reminded me that, you know, we think about the

805
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: modern context of fame or whatever, or just our identities,

806
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: and I mean, I think that we're at this point

807
00:45:55,640 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: now where we're like, we're definitely so celebrating sort of

808
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 1: our authentic selves, right Like, well, however it is, it

809
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: just reminded me about a time which it wasn't even

810
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: that long ago, and it's actually there's still plenty of

811
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:18,240
Speaker 1: this happening now, where people in the past would sacrifice

812
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: their kind of personal lives for success, for their creativity,

813
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 1: or for their jobs essentially, and they know that what

814
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 1: they need to hide would prevent them from becoming successful.

815
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 1: And I think that that was such a big thing

816
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: for people of his generation, you know what I mean,

817
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 1: he claused it himself. I mean, he was out and

818
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: then he went back into the closet because he was like,

819
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 1: I'm never going to be able to be this person

820
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 1: and also be a children's show host, right, And I

821
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: think that became absolutely clear when he started getting in

822
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 1: trouble for like all of these things, which to me

823
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: are not even that big of a deal, you know,

824
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: like the idea that he would go to an adult

825
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: theater who gives a shit, The idea that he would

826
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 1: own ephemera from like you know, men's pictorial magazines, which

827
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: all my friends have those magazines, by the way, And

828
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: I was just watching a fucking TikTok video of Lance

829
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: Bass from in Sync who said the same thing. He

830
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, there's no way I could have been

831
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 1: gay and in Sync in the nineties. There's just no

832
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: fucking way, Like I hit who I was because I

833
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: wanted to continue to be in this band and make music,

834
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: so and that was not that long ago, right, And

835
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:45,240
Speaker 1: so I don't know, I think that was the message

836
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 1: that I was really like focusing in on just to

837
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: a degree, which is like, you're fucking lucky. I think

838
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 1: if you're able to be completely who you are and

839
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: be successful and be appreciate ate it and loved, I mean,

840
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 1: that's a very hard thing to do, you know. I

841
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: don't know, it's just I think that's what makes the

842
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: documentary so good is that it's like it forces you

843
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: to think about stuff like that, which is like when

844
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:14,879
Speaker 1: would you think about that at all unless you were

845
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: watching a documentary like mass And by the way, mattis

846
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: such a great filmmaker. He's made so many other great

847
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:23,919
Speaker 1: documentaries that he made the one about Arthur Russell, which

848
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 1: I really really love. He's said a lot of I mean,

849
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: I think is by his own words. He's talked about

850
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 1: making films about kind of outsiders, outside artists, you know,

851
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,760
Speaker 1: which I love so amazing.

852
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 2: Anyway, well, we love that one, and we also I

853
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 2: would say this, I would say this is probably the

854
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 2: movie I thought was movie of the year, one battle

855
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:49,439
Speaker 2: after another.

856
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's definitely got.

857
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 2: To be in huh yeah. And I mean we did

858
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 2: a whole episode about that, so we don't need to

859
00:48:55,800 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 2: go deep on that. But I will say just I

860
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 2: still think about that movie a lot, and it has

861
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 2: a lot of weight to it, and it was really incredible.

862
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 2: It was a really incredible film going experience that was

863
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 2: unmatched in twenty twenty five for me.

864
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I almost felt kind of like bad

865
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,800
Speaker 1: that I was my number one because I was like, oh, really,

866
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: the new Paul Talmer Sanderson movies your top film of

867
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: the year. What are you like a cidophile or something

868
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 1: like that. But it was I mean, it was triggering

869
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: as shit. That's why I think it was part of

870
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 1: so effective for me is that I was just like, wow,

871
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 1: this is I don't know, it just really hit hard

872
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:42,439
Speaker 1: for me considering everything that's happened this year.

873
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, but uh I yeah, absolutely, it makes me

874
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,959
Speaker 2: emotional thinking about that movie. Yeah too, it'll be cool.

875
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 2: I don't think you care about the oscars as much

876
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 2: as I do. Would you say that's true?

877
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 1: That's true?

878
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I hope it wins. I hope Leo wins

879
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 2: another actor Oscar, because I thought it was weird that

880
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 2: he won for the Revenant. I don't know, I just

881
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 2: feel like that's not representative of who he is as

882
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 2: an actor. And it'd be cool for a Pta to

883
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 2: win a that's director Oscar. And I think it would

884
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 2: be cool for Regina Hall to win an Oscar And yeah,

885
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:28,399
Speaker 2: that's my thoughts. I think it'd be cool.

886
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:33,439
Speaker 1: Have you seen the most recent tiktoks about Leo doing

887
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: the Mexican whistle in one battle? That is so funny

888
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 1: to me.

889
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he got it. They're like, he did it.

890
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 2: He might have done it the wrong time.

891
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: I think that was the only criticism was that he

892
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 1: should have done it what he pulled up in the car.

893
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 2: Ah, But I like whatever. So I also have seen

894
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 2: a lot of like, oh, you want someone to vape

895
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 2: on screen, you get the King Vapor and that's Leo.

896
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 2: And there's all these like photos of him vaping in

897
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 2: real life, you know, And they have those shots of

898
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 2: him like vaping in that high school and they're like

899
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 2: they're like ten out of ten perfect vape. He's like

900
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 2: a pro. He does he looks like he knows what

901
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 2: he's doing, you know. We talk about people who smoke cigarettes,

902
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 2: like you can tell when they're not smokers. You can

903
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 2: tell when you can tell Leo he knows his way

904
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 2: around a vape. O.

905
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:33,240
Speaker 1: He look at his face. He he's got the pallor

906
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 1: of a smoker.

907
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:39,479
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean he's just you got to appreciate Leo.

908
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 2: He really does bring that old school seventies actor to

909
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 2: our modern day. You know. All right, So now we

910
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 2: diverge slightly. My other movie that I thought was great

911
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,359
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty five was twenty eight Years Later. This

912
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 2: is a really delightful I loved twenty eight day Days Later.

913
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 2: And you know, when you do these sequels, like twenty

914
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 2: years later, you're like, oh God, what's this. But it

915
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 2: was so good and it was different and it was

916
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 2: kind of weird and scary and interesting. I loved it

917
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 2: and I had such a blast singing in the theater.

918
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 2: So that's my other top movie of the year.

919
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 1: That's great. I haven't seen it, but I think it's

920
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: interesting that this franchise keeps going.

921
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and by all accounts, it's good, right, Yeah, I

922
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 2: recommend it. It's fun, it's like a good time. I

923
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 2: don't know. I loved it, so, and what about you.

924
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: Well, my other top pick of the year, which, by

925
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 1: the way, if you look this up, it'll tell you

926
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 1: that it was released in twenty four, but it was

927
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: only a tiff at Toronto International fill Fessel in twenty four.

928
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: The limited release and then the wide release happened in

929
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: twenty five, so I think and I actually think are

930
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:04,800
Speaker 1: counting it for the Oscars. That way, it's being considered

931
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 1: as a twenty twenty five film. Does that make sense?

932
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:09,320
Speaker 2: Okay?

933
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 1: Yes, My other favorite movie of the year is Friendship.

934
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, Tam Robinson. Yeah, I mean, talk about a

935
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 1: fucking horror movie. Damn this movie. Like I was like

936
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 1: shook by this film. It really at tapped into this

937
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 1: like secret world that I was so fascinated by, which

938
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 1: is straight guys that need friends.

939
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 2: I'm one of those guys. I gotta see this movie.

940
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 2: I'm kind of scared to see it for that reason.

941
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:51,439
Speaker 1: I mean, this isn't your fault. I feel like this

942
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: is society's faults.

943
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 2: Ultimately, Yeah, that you it's other men's fault. But do

944
00:53:59,280 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 2: you all.

945
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 1: Operating under a system which is destroying you?

946
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 3: Right?

947
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 1: Like that's the thing about when men talk about the

948
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 1: patriarchy as if it doesn't affect them, and I believe

949
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:20,879
Speaker 1: that that is absolutely untrue. It affects you, and this

950
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: movie is proof that it affects you, Yeah, which is

951
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,359
Speaker 1: that you guys are fucking broken people and you don't

952
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: know how to make friends, and when you are in

953
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 1: an orbit of some dude that you think is like

954
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 1: one percent cooler than you, you completely lose your fucking

955
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 1: shit and you don't know how to handle it.

956
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 2: I got I will watch this movie, especially because I've

957
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:49,800
Speaker 2: been watching The Chair Company obsessively, which is the director

958
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 2: of Friendship also directed The Chair Company. Yes, and it's

959
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 2: Tim Robinson's new show, so you got to check that out.

960
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:01,919
Speaker 1: Mill Oh, I definitely have to. I definitely have to. Yeah,

961
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 1: this was my other favorite movie of the year. I mean,

962
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 1: if you haven't seen it, it's out there, and uh,

963
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:12,319
Speaker 1: I recommend it. It's really really It's funny and dark

964
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,359
Speaker 1: as fuck is basically why I liked it.

965
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 2: So fabulous fabulous. Where should we go now, Millie?

966
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:22,360
Speaker 1: You want to do some like honorable mentions things that

967
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,720
Speaker 1: did that make your top three, but we're very close.

968
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:32,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay. I also liked Weapons and I liked Black

969
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 2: Bag by Steven Soderberg.

970
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 1: Ah, that's The Fastbender, a spy fastpend movie, right, Yes,

971
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:41,879
Speaker 1: I really liked that.

972
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 2: It was tight, it was funny and it was exciting.

973
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I didn't really have many honorable mentions, and

974
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 1: that could change, actually because sometimes I watch, you know,

975
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 1: sometimes like things I'm out at the very end of

976
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 1: the year that don't make your list because they came

977
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 1: out on Christmas or something, right, So that could change,

978
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: but you know, I have I would be remiss if

979
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 1: I didn't mention, at least mention K Pop Demon Hunters,

980
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:19,800
Speaker 1: because not because I thought it was this like fucking

981
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 1: groundbreaking cinematic masterpiece necessarily, but just the idea that it

982
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 1: was a fucking juggernaut. It was probably the hugest movie

983
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: that came out this.

984
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 2: Year, and I hear the songs everywhere.

985
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: Well, and I just was I will say the reason

986
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 1: why I wanted to give it a mention is because

987
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 1: some way it feels like I got legitimized for my

988
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 1: interest in K pop this year, where now all these

989
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 1: other motherfuckers are coming up to me being like, hey,

990
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 1: here are you like K pop? You know I like

991
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:52,839
Speaker 1: that k Pop Demon Hunters. I'm like oh really, oh really, Now,

992
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 1: all of you guys that were making fun of me

993
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 1: for like in BTS, now all of a sudden you're like, huh,

994
00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: I might dabble in a little uh.

995
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 2: Little cap whatever, I mean, interesting whatever. But the hens

996
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,919
Speaker 2: have come home to roost well and.

997
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 1: Sadly, as I'm always want to do. I feel like

998
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:13,879
Speaker 1: I've followed off the K pop trade a little bit,

999
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 1: shut up a little bit.

1000
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 2: Really, whoa Millie? Once it gets legitimized, she's out.

1001
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I'm a trendsetter, and now when it

1002
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 1: gets popular, I sort of like, okay.

1003
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 2: Like, isn't that interesting? Well, isn't that wow? She's a

1004
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 2: big announcement on this episode.

1005
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: I mean, if you really want to know why, it's

1006
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 1: because BTS is kind of in this like fellow period

1007
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 1: right now where they're like working on a comeback which

1008
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 1: is going to happen next year, where they're going to

1009
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 1: tour the world and like put out a new album

1010
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 1: and shit. On top of that, my personal favorite member

1011
00:57:55,840 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 1: of the band, Suga aka Yunki, is literally nowhere to

1012
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: be found. I think he's gone oh total frank Ocean, Like,

1013
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: I think he is staying out of the spotlight because

1014
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 1: he had an unfortunate situation that happened to him earlier

1015
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 1: in the year where he was drunk and fell off

1016
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 1: of a scooter in front of his own house, which

1017
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 1: is not a crime in my mind, but maybe he

1018
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 1: was embarrassed by it, and it's like, fucking am I

1019
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 1: I don't want doing shit for these people.

1020
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 2: I feel like K pop artists, they don't have those

1021
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 2: sort of flubs. It feels like, you know.

1022
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 1: Which is entirely that there. It's like their country's fault basically,

1023
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: like I think in America you could be a fucking

1024
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 1: flop and still show your face on like Jimmy Kimmel

1025
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:54,919
Speaker 1: and shit. But it's like there is a whole other

1026
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 1: It's like a whole other world over there. I think

1027
00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 1: that you're supposed to be absolutely perfect and they don't

1028
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 1: even want you to, like tell people that you drink interesting.

1029
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 1: So anyway, that's my boy, And I'd always got legitimate

1030
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 1: reasons for wanting to stay underground. But you know, when

1031
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,479
Speaker 1: you're a fan of something and you're like, oh, well,

1032
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 1: they're just not really like doing much right now, you

1033
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 1: just kind of like out of sight, out of minded

1034
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 1: a little bit. So I think that's what's happening. Besides,

1035
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 1: I went really hard and heavy on it. Yeah, now

1036
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like, Okay, I've I've seen what it

1037
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 1: can offer me. Maybe it'll change, Like next year when

1038
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 1: they come back, I'll probably be a fucking loser again.

1039
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 1: But right now I'm like looking at other things. I'm

1040
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 1: up listening to other things.

1041
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 2: So well, you know, we touched upon that. You know,

1042
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 2: we talked about this off Mike, But twenty twenty five,

1043
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 2: what were some of your successes and failures? Did you

1044
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 2: fall off a scooter drunk in front of your house?

1045
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 1: I mean, whatever the equ of that is has probably

1046
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 1: happened for me personally. I've definitely had embarrassing moments my success.

1047
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 1: As I was saying, I mean, I finished my grad

1048
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 1: program this year, which was fucking looming over my head forever.

1049
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 1: I mean I was in that program for like a decade.

1050
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 2: Dude, It's huge, Millie, it's huge. What an unbelievable burden

1051
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 2: to get off your back.

1052
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I think I think they felt bad

1053
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 1: for me. I will say thank you to all the

1054
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 1: professors that helped me get the fuck out of there.

1055
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 1: They were like, whatever, let her graduate.

1056
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 2: Diploma.

1057
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, you go, but it's fine. It's fine. I also

1058
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 1: bought a house, which we talked about. I that was

1059
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 1: one of the hardest things I've ever done in my life.

1060
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 1: It's painful, but I'm very proud of myself as a

1061
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 1: single woman to have bought my own house. I do

1062
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 1: feel that. And by way, not for nothing for everybody

1063
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 1: that used to listen to I saw what she did.

1064
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 1: Danielle and I are on the phone like almost every

1065
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 1: week talking about like, I'm basically her. Listen to her

1066
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 1: episodes where she complains about her fucking contractors and like

1067
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 1: the people that don't want to put the oven in

1068
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 1: the right place and shit in her house. And now

1069
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 1: I'm her. I'm that person. So she's been helping me

1070
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 1: a lot, guiding me through the process. So I love

1071
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:29,360
Speaker 1: her very much. I'm glad we're friends. So those are

1072
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 1: some successes failures. I mean it's like every day is

1073
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 1: a failure basically until something good happens. I didn't get

1074
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 1: arrested this year, which is good. I didn't.

1075
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 2: That's a success.

1076
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I probably like ate too much candy.

1077
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 1: I probably could have exercised a little bit more, but

1078
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 1: I was so busy with my new job and the

1079
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 1: podcast and the house and the grad school. So yeah,

1080
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 1: I don't know what about you. What are some of

1081
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:01,920
Speaker 1: your success and lows, successes and failures.

1082
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I filmed my movie this year in February.

1083
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 2: And my movie, which is called it was previously called

1084
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 2: Fourteen Stories in a Bathroom and we are changing the

1085
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 2: title to Bathroom Humor And it's a an anthology film

1086
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 2: set entirely in bathrooms. And this was a huge undertaking.

1087
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 2: I produced it a lot by myself. I did have

1088
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 2: a producer on the movie, but a lot of it

1089
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 2: was me running around putting this thing together, casting it,

1090
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 2: and it was a huge thing for me to do.

1091
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 2: And we shot it over the course of two weeks,

1092
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 2: and I was stressed beyond compare. I have never been

1093
01:02:56,280 --> 01:03:00,080
Speaker 2: so stressed in my life. It was really miserable, but

1094
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 2: I did it. Yeah, and I finished filming it and

1095
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 2: we're I'm still editing it. But that just felt like

1096
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 2: such a huge success to like actually do that something

1097
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 2: I've wanted to do my entire life, you know.

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01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:18,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, great for I mean, that's such an accomplishment, dude, serious.

1099
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like I still think about it all the

1100
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 2: time where I'm like, thank god I did that. It

1101
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 2: was there were many times where I'm like, I don't

1102
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 2: know if I want to do this. I'm like so miserable.

1103
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 2: It was just so miserable. The diarrhea again. I And

1104
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:37,440
Speaker 2: then around that time, we launched this podcast, which I

1105
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:40,920
Speaker 2: would say was a big success for this year, getting

1106
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 2: this podcast on the ground, off the ground and into

1107
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 2: the world and continuing to do it every week. And

1108
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 2: so that's another big success. That's huge for me. Huge.

1109
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:59,080
Speaker 2: I kind of learned started learning the piano, which has

1110
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 2: been fun for me and something I want to do

1111
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 2: for a long time. And so that feels like a success.

1112
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:09,360
Speaker 2: And I, you know, raised, I've been raising a little

1113
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 2: baby patience, and that feels like a success. It is

1114
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 2: a success. You're little success, my little success, And that's

1115
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 2: what I say to her, I say, you're my little success.

1116
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 2: Patients failures, you know. I think I wish that my

1117
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 2: kind of you know, sitting, my usual state of being

1118
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:41,520
Speaker 2: is misery, and I wish that feels like some sort

1119
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 2: of failure. So I feel like I got pretty stressed

1120
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:48,120
Speaker 2: out this year, and that's not a failure, you know.

1121
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 2: But I hope to be more successful at not feeling

1122
01:04:55,560 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 2: that way next year. And I'm with you. You could

1123
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:05,080
Speaker 2: have eaten better, could have exercised more, could have That's

1124
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:07,520
Speaker 2: about it, though, I mean could have read more books.

1125
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 2: How many books did I read this year? I don't

1126
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 2: even want to know the answer.

1127
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:14,200
Speaker 1: I don't even want to know either. Listen, I have

1128
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 1: When I moved, I literally picked up maybe thirty issues

1129
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:28,160
Speaker 1: of The New Yorker that I thought I could have

1130
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 1: a subscription. I could, Like, I go through this thing

1131
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:32,480
Speaker 1: where I'm like, I can have a subscription again. I

1132
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 1: have enough time. I'm finished with grad school.

1133
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 2: I have a lot of.

1134
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:36,240
Speaker 1: Time to read.

1135
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1136
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 1: No, I like fucking have been collecting those thirty issues

1137
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:46,200
Speaker 1: totally unread. I was like, I'll just put these in

1138
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:47,480
Speaker 1: a box. I don't know what I'm going to do

1139
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:48,280
Speaker 1: with them, but.

1140
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:52,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, yeah, totally. I think the fact that, like,

1141
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 2: you know, I haven't created you know, some sort of

1142
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 2: I don't know, but like, uh, what do you call it,

1143
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 2: like a gooning room with multiple screens or something like that?

1144
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:07,960
Speaker 2: You know, like I consider that a success that I'm

1145
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:11,440
Speaker 2: not in that place. Gooner is what you're saying, That

1146
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 2: I'm not a gooner. God did you read that article?

1147
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:17,480
Speaker 2: You bet? You bet? YOUA?

1148
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:24,160
Speaker 1: And I was fucking rocked, Like I was rocked in

1149
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 1: a way that I didn't think was possible. Like I

1150
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 1: was like, certainly, I've I've read about and experienced so

1151
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:35,920
Speaker 1: much depravity in my life that I cannot be shocked

1152
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 1: by anything.

1153
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:38,600
Speaker 2: Uh huh, right, Like you're.

1154
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 1: Just like think about it. I mean, I'm almost fifty,

1155
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of fucked up shit, and there's

1156
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:46,680
Speaker 1: I cannot be swayed, Like this is like impossible.

1157
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:48,000
Speaker 2: No, I was.

1158
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:53,800
Speaker 1: It felt like I was reading like gonzo journalism from

1159
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 1: the eighties where it was like somebody discovered a subculture

1160
01:06:58,360 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 1: that is so fucked up.

1161
01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 2: Yeah that.

1162
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:06,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I was actually proud that there was a subculture.

1163
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:08,919
Speaker 1: Like I was like, oh, supculture doesn't even exist anymore, right,

1164
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:15,760
Speaker 1: Like nobody does anything weird anymore. Everybody's just ai No, no, No,

1165
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 1: there's still there's gooner.

1166
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:19,920
Speaker 2: There's still out there that if you don't know what

1167
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:24,920
Speaker 2: we're talking about, there's this article called the goon Squad, Loneliness,

1168
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:28,800
Speaker 2: Porn's Next Frontier and the Dream of Endless Masturbation by

1169
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 2: Daniel Collitz, published in Harper's magazine and it covers this

1170
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:41,160
Speaker 2: whole gooning subculture, which, God help you, I mean, listen,

1171
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:42,040
Speaker 2: that writer.

1172
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:42,960
Speaker 1: Needs to win a Pulitzer.

1173
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:44,120
Speaker 2: I'm not even joking.

1174
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:46,640
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I'm not even joking. I was like, I have

1175
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 1: not read anything so interesting shocking. I mean, it just

1176
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:55,680
Speaker 1: felt like it came from another time. I was like, oh, man,

1177
01:07:55,840 --> 01:08:00,280
Speaker 1: like that is so depraved. I have not in this

1178
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:04,800
Speaker 1: rock since, you know, reading about like Giugi Allen or

1179
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:05,880
Speaker 1: something when I was a change.

1180
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:09,440
Speaker 2: I mean, here's a quote. He says, gooning is a

1181
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:13,800
Speaker 2: new kind of masturbation, more precisely, a new kind of

1182
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:18,480
Speaker 2: masturbation at the heart of an Internet based, pornography obsessed

1183
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 2: gen Z dominated subculture, every bit as defined and vibrant

1184
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:28,599
Speaker 2: as the hippies or punks in their prime. What an

1185
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:34,000
Speaker 2: incredible one thing to say? What a thing to say?

1186
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:34,960
Speaker 1: Holy shit?

1187
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:40,120
Speaker 2: Uh so yeah, I don't have a goon cave. So

1188
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:45,000
Speaker 2: that's good. It's something I truly don't like. I can't understand.

1189
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:48,240
Speaker 2: And it's funny because the writer is like I tried,

1190
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:50,960
Speaker 2: I really did try, man, and I don't. I couldn't

1191
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 2: get that.

1192
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:54,639
Speaker 1: I mean honestly, like, he is like Hunter s Thompson

1193
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:57,800
Speaker 1: like he's an absolute gonzo journalist that went into a

1194
01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:02,800
Speaker 1: fucking dark dark place and out, So good for him. Okay,

1195
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 1: So maybe related to this to bring it back to

1196
01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:12,320
Speaker 1: movies or culture or whatever, give me one prediction for

1197
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:14,360
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. What do you think is there gonna

1198
01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 1: be like a film trend for next year? Or do

1199
01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:19,439
Speaker 1: you what do you what do you see cinematically for

1200
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:20,360
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six?

1201
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:27,720
Speaker 2: Great question. I wonder if we're hitting our limit on

1202
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:31,360
Speaker 2: elevated horror. I mean that already happened this year, but

1203
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:34,559
Speaker 2: that a twenty four style movie I think is really

1204
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:39,320
Speaker 2: in decline, and I think it will continue to decline

1205
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty six. And that's my I guess that's

1206
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:49,680
Speaker 2: my number one prediction. I don't know if I have it.

1207
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:50,400
Speaker 2: What about you?

1208
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 1: I feel like we're gonna say they're gonna, I swear

1209
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:59,240
Speaker 1: to god, they're gonna like fucking pull some shit. Hollywood

1210
01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:03,320
Speaker 1: is Hollywo's gonn They're gonna be like, let's do a

1211
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:11,879
Speaker 1: biopic of like Timothy Larry and make Glenn Powell Timothy

1212
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:16,200
Speaker 1: Larry Like they're gonna like they're gonna put him. They're

1213
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:21,880
Speaker 1: gonna make him into some kind of countercultural person like

1214
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:24,559
Speaker 1: and we're all gonna be shocked. It's gonna be like

1215
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:28,640
Speaker 1: something like that, Like they're gonna take some really famous

1216
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:34,400
Speaker 1: milky white actor and put them in a shocking role

1217
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:38,000
Speaker 1: that's gonna piss everybody off. I just don't know what

1218
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:39,000
Speaker 1: that's gonna be yet.

1219
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:40,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1220
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:43,479
Speaker 1: Interesting, everybody was trying to like, you know, everybody was

1221
01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:44,840
Speaker 1: trying to say, like, oh my god, I can't believe

1222
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:47,599
Speaker 1: Timothy Chalamee is gonna play Bob Dylan. Actually that kind

1223
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:50,479
Speaker 1: of came and went no no fanfare, like he actually

1224
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 1: was charming and people liked it. But it's gonna be

1225
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:55,680
Speaker 1: another thing like that. There's always one where it's like

1226
01:10:56,160 --> 01:11:00,320
Speaker 1: Sidney Sweeney is gonna play Frida Kayla or so, I

1227
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:02,480
Speaker 1: don't know.

1228
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:04,639
Speaker 2: Whatever, like some Freeda too and.

1229
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:25,440
Speaker 1: Freda to starring City Sweetye. It's like Mug two. Anyway. Uh,

1230
01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 1: that's that's my prediction. Something something fucked up cinematically will happen, guaranteed.

1231
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:33,040
Speaker 1: I don't really know. Beyond that. Trends, I feel like

1232
01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:36,040
Speaker 1: we're really in the political stuff right now. We're in

1233
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:40,000
Speaker 1: the political ship. I feel like that might continue the world.

1234
01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 1: I think that will continue. I think that will continue.

1235
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:47,880
Speaker 2: I yeah, And I think people have a taste for

1236
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:51,639
Speaker 2: it or like there's a thirst for that type of stuff.

1237
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:54,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that every single actor and actress will be

1238
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:58,599
Speaker 1: fully on ozembic and will whittle away into nothing.

1239
01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:02,880
Speaker 2: Oh my god, yes that is yeah. I mean that's

1240
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:07,040
Speaker 2: that's happening. So there is sort of this thing, this

1241
01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:12,040
Speaker 2: kind of like the great smoothing I call it, where

1242
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:21,680
Speaker 2: it's like AI and ozempic. It's bringing everything to a

1243
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:29,960
Speaker 2: sameness that is really uninteresting and there's like a smoothness

1244
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:37,840
Speaker 2: to everything that is really boring. And I'm hoping that

1245
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:41,040
Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm hoping that we get away from

1246
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:43,760
Speaker 2: this at some point, Like I just want some more

1247
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:49,880
Speaker 2: DIY rough around the Edges movies to come out, you know.

1248
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:52,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to say that. I think that's true.

1249
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:54,240
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of people that are actually

1250
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:56,920
Speaker 1: like pulling away from what did I see the other

1251
01:12:57,000 --> 01:13:00,880
Speaker 1: day that was so so funny. Feel like there's like

1252
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:07,720
Speaker 1: kids that are into like manual telephone calls something and

1253
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:11,160
Speaker 1: it's like I was like, oh, you mean like landlines

1254
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:13,080
Speaker 1: or something like. It was something like that where they

1255
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:20,320
Speaker 1: were like, oh, I'm really into like analogue listening, which

1256
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:22,240
Speaker 1: is like, oh, you mean like listening to the radio

1257
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 1: in your car or something like. It was like some

1258
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:26,920
Speaker 1: kind of like new fangled way of calling something that

1259
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:31,920
Speaker 1: we used to do, a trend that's based on sort

1260
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:36,439
Speaker 1: of people's rejection of like social media and the Internet

1261
01:13:36,439 --> 01:13:38,360
Speaker 1: and AI. And I was like, this is so crazy.

1262
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:40,200
Speaker 1: We're all just going back to the way it used

1263
01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:40,439
Speaker 1: to be.

1264
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:42,960
Speaker 2: And I know it does sort of seem like in

1265
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:46,200
Speaker 2: a way we've reached the end of the Internet, because

1266
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:48,839
Speaker 2: I think there was this looming thought of AI really

1267
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:52,040
Speaker 2: like oh, what's going to happen when that arrives and

1268
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:58,120
Speaker 2: it's here? Yeah, And once you see it, you're like, yeah,

1269
01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:00,880
Speaker 2: this this is kind of nothing to me. And so

1270
01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:05,800
Speaker 2: people are like reversing course and like checking out, yeah,

1271
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 2: like analog radio and you know, listening to CDs now.

1272
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:13,639
Speaker 1: So well, I mean that's the thing is that, like TikTok,

1273
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:17,599
Speaker 1: which I was obsessed with this year, started becoming less

1274
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:20,000
Speaker 1: fun to me when the AI stuff started happening, When

1275
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:21,960
Speaker 1: like people started posting AI videos, I was like, man,

1276
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:22,640
Speaker 1: this fucking.

1277
01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:26,040
Speaker 2: Sucks, Like yeah, And I think that's why TikTok is

1278
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:29,000
Speaker 2: so great because it does there is like a rawness

1279
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:32,680
Speaker 2: to it and it's still entertaining. And I think if

1280
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:35,520
Speaker 2: there's a way to kind of combine that raw TikTok

1281
01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:41,240
Speaker 2: energy into a film space, like if kids are spending,

1282
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:44,080
Speaker 2: like I wish there was more of a pipeline from

1283
01:14:44,120 --> 01:14:46,680
Speaker 2: TikTok to like movies. You know, like these kids that

1284
01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:48,240
Speaker 2: know how to visually do things?

1285
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:51,519
Speaker 1: Are you talking about theater? Is that what you're is

1286
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:53,680
Speaker 1: that you're making your analog comparison. It's like, you know,

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Speaker 1: I wish there was a space where people could like

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Speaker 1: just be raw and themselves and not use computers and

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Speaker 1: AI oh the theater.

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Speaker 2: But I mean I do think, yeah, there needs to

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Speaker 2: be more of a return to theater to film. Sure,

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Speaker 2: Like I think I think that I that there is

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Speaker 2: a that is true, but I think film needs more

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Speaker 2: theater injected into it.

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Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, maybe we need to bring back I agree,

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Speaker 1: what is that like Danish thing that Lauris von Treuer

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Speaker 1: talk with. Maybe we should bring back dog by ninety five,

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Speaker 1: We should bring back dog Dog Theen ninety five absolutely

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Speaker 1: put some rules on this ship.

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Speaker 2: Anyways, I don't know anything else about twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: We made it. We made it. We made it, and

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Speaker 1: it was a fucking crazy year times very depressing and

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Speaker 1: very hard. But we're at the end.

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Speaker 2: We made it.

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Speaker 1: We have this great podcast. We have great listeners, and yes,

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Speaker 1: great listeners.

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Speaker 2: I have a great co host in Casey O'Brien wowl.

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Speaker 2: This year has been a treat getting to know you more,

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Speaker 2: getting to work with you on this project. You're a

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Speaker 2: great creative collaborator. It's been a real delight getting to

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Speaker 2: make this podcast with you. I'm very thankful for that.

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Speaker 2: That was a success.

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Speaker 1: That was a success. Back at you, all right, So

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Speaker 1: we're going to dive into this episode's a section called

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Speaker 1: my Area of Expertise, which is essentially where we bring

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Speaker 1: on a guest to talk about their area of film

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Speaker 1: expertise or maybe their specific passion for something that's niche,

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Speaker 1: whatever it is. And this week we have somebody who

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Speaker 1: I'm super excited to talk to. I met her when

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Speaker 1: I was living in Los Angeles many years ago, and

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Speaker 1: I was kind of tending not to be a fangirl,

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Speaker 1: because honestly, this woman has had her hands in pretty

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Speaker 1: much every bit of pop culture that I grew up with.

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Speaker 1: I mean, ranging from you know, the comics that were

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Speaker 1: in the back of magazines that I loved growing up,

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Speaker 1: to working on The Simpsons, to working for The Times,

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Speaker 1: the Village Voice. She's done graphic novels about her work

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Speaker 1: in the restaurant business, which was where I really, you know,

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Speaker 1: began to really love her work because I also used

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Speaker 1: to wait tables and it felt like I was reading

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Speaker 1: the memoirs of someone that I had worked with or

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Speaker 1: something in the past. And just such a great artist,

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Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, a cartoonist, comic book artist, illustrator, writer, humorists,

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Speaker 1: worked on Peeby's Playhouse, worked on everything that you've ever loved,

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Speaker 1: and she's here to talk about her area of expertise.

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Speaker 1: Please welcome everyone. Mimi Pond, Hello.

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Speaker 3: Hi, glad to be here.

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Speaker 1: Hi, thanks for being here. I'm I'm honored that you

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Speaker 1: decided to take some time out to chat with me

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Speaker 1: about your.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't have missed it.

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Speaker 2: It's so good to see you again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good to see you too. I Before we

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Speaker 1: get into the nuts and bolts of your area of expertise,

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Speaker 1: which by the way, is great and I can't and

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to talk to you about it. I

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Speaker 1: really wanted to start off with talking about your newest

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Speaker 1: graphic novel, because I feel like the last time I

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Speaker 1: saw you, which was many years ago in la you

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Speaker 1: mentioned that you were working on this book, or that

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Speaker 1: you would you were at least talking about the subject

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Speaker 1: of the book. And I started thinking back, and I

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Speaker 1: was like, that must have been at least five years ago,

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Speaker 1: So it feels like you've been working on this new

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Speaker 1: book for a long time. And I was wondering, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about it. So what's the name of it.

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Speaker 1: I'm holding it up but nobody can see it, all right.

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Speaker 3: It's called Do Admit The Mitford Sisters and Me, And

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Speaker 3: it's a graphic biography of Britain's famous Mitford Sisters, who

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Speaker 3: were born between nineteen oh four and nineteen twenty and

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Speaker 3: through their words and actions, managed to influence just about

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Speaker 3: everything in the twentieth century, from Hitler to the Black Panthers.

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Speaker 1: Wow, and like they there were how many of them,

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Speaker 1: six sisters? Six count of six? And they had there

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Speaker 1: was one brother, there was a brother.

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Speaker 3: There was a brother Tom. He died in World War Two.

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Speaker 3: And there's a biography coming out about him. I think

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Speaker 3: it was already published in Britain, but it's not here yet.

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Speaker 3: But what we know about Tom is that he basically

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Speaker 3: just agreed with whatever sister he was with. It just

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Speaker 3: made his life easier. So when he was with when

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Speaker 3: he was with Diana or you, he was a fascist.

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Speaker 3: When he was with Jessica, he was a communist. You know,

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Speaker 3: he just it was just too hard.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I wanted to ask, like, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: think obviously there's something alluring about like a dynasty of

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Speaker 1: sisters or you know, like when families are big and

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Speaker 1: then they have like lots and lots of brothers and

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Speaker 1: lots and lots of sisters, and how they have all

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Speaker 1: these like they just have different personalities and interests, And

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Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you, like, what was how did

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Speaker 1: you come into learning about them? And what was it

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Speaker 1: about the mit for sisters that you really gravitated towards.

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Speaker 3: Well, initially I only knew about Jessica. My parents just

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Speaker 3: never stopped talking about Jessica because she had written their

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Speaker 3: all time favorite book, The American Way of Death, which

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Speaker 3: was an expose of the American funeral industry that was

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Speaker 3: not only hilarious, but it also appealed to my parents

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Speaker 3: because it had it sort of had the theme of that's.

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Speaker 2: How they get you.

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Speaker 3: Feral.

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Speaker 2: As a result of.

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Speaker 3: Reading that book, they joined a local funeral society and

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Speaker 3: my mother saved ninety percent on the cost of her

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Speaker 3: own cremation, which you know would have.

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Speaker 2: Wow, you know, to death.

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Speaker 1: Wow. So wait, your parents joined a funeral society, Like

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Speaker 1: was that, Well, it's.

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Speaker 3: It's like a co op for funerals instead of you know, going, oh,

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Speaker 3: going with your hat in your hand and to the

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Speaker 3: to the mortuary and like when you're at your most

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Speaker 3: vulnerable and allowing them to just like siphon out your

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Speaker 3: life savings to pay for a funeral, you join this

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Speaker 3: group and they negotiate much cheaper rates.

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Speaker 1: So it was pretty much through Jessica that you kind

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Speaker 1: of discovered who she was as part of this family.

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Speaker 1: And then then.

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Speaker 3: As an adult, I read her memoir Hans and Rebel,

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Speaker 3: which was written in nineteen sixty, and that was really entertaining.

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Speaker 3: I think by then I was an adulton someone you know,

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Speaker 3: was talking about it and someone turned to me and said,

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Speaker 3: you know she had sisters, don't you?

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Speaker 1: And I was like, what.

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Speaker 3: So then there was Nancy, who was the eldest, who

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Speaker 3: wrote The Pursuit of Love and Love and Cold Climate,

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Speaker 3: two best selling comic novels that have never been out

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Speaker 3: of print, and she wrote She also wrote biographies of

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Speaker 3: Louis the fourteenth and Frederick the Great, among others, and

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Speaker 3: was also extremely funny. She was like the ringleaders. As

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Speaker 3: the oldest, she was setting the bar very high. And

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Speaker 3: then there was Pam, who was the quiet one, who

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Speaker 3: nonetheless managed to make things interesting late by becoming a

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Speaker 3: latent life lesbian. And there was Diana, who married Brian Guinness,

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Speaker 3: you know, one of the heirs to the Guinness beer fortune,

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Speaker 3: at eighteen, just to get out of the house, and

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Speaker 3: then three years later, three years and two children later,

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Speaker 3: she left him for Oswald Mosley, who became the head

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Speaker 3: of the British Union of Fascist and together they became

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Speaker 3: eventually the most hated couple in Britain. Unity Following along behind,

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Speaker 3: Diana became obsessed with Hitler, went to Germany to Munich,

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Speaker 3: successfully stalked Hitler and became his best friend, and then

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Speaker 3: introduced Diana hit to him and her parents to him.

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Speaker 3: Her parents became brief accolytes of Hitler until her father

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Speaker 3: until Britain declared war on Germany, and the father had

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Speaker 3: already been in the Boer War and in World War

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Speaker 3: One and he wasn't having it. So then there was Jessica, who,

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Speaker 3: in reaction to unity, decided she was going to be

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Speaker 3: at age twelve she was going to become a Communist.

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Speaker 3: And then Deborah the youngest, who just said, no, screw it,

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Speaker 3: I want to marry a duke, and she did just that.

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Speaker 3: She married the younger son of a duke, but his

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Speaker 3: older brother died in World War Two and she and

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Speaker 3: her husband became the Duke and Duchess of Devonshire. And

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Speaker 3: then she was tasked with the monumental job of restoring

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Speaker 3: Chatsworth House, which was this immense country house in the

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Speaker 3: north of England.

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Speaker 1: Fascinating. Well, I will encourage everybody to go out there

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Speaker 1: and get do admit the Midford sisters and me by

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Speaker 1: our guest Mimi Pond, because it is like, besides the

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Speaker 1: fact that the art is credible as it always is,

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Speaker 1: it's a huge book and it really is like well researched.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it is like a fantastic historical biography and

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Speaker 1: I feel like you really learn a lot about the

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Speaker 1: family and learn about the sisters, and it's funny and charming.

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Speaker 1: So I just love it. So let's talk a little

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Speaker 1: bit about your your reason for me here, your area

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Speaker 1: of expertise. I know that you're a big fan of film,

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Speaker 1: because I think I met you through the TCM Film

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01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:06,920
Speaker 1: Festival when you're a guest there, and so I guess

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Speaker 1: related to that, your area of expertise is British film,

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Speaker 1: but from a kind of specific period of time, so

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Speaker 1: it's like between World War One and World War Two

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Speaker 1: and then a little and then like post World War two,

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Speaker 1: which some of the best films ever made were created

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Speaker 1: during this era and in this time. So that is

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Speaker 1: your area of expertise, right, you know, well you can

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Speaker 1: say that loosely. How much of an expert I am?

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Speaker 1: I just know what I like?

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Speaker 2: Of course. Well that's enough to be an expert on

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Speaker 2: this show exactly.

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Speaker 1: So let's let's talk like, what are your what are

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Speaker 1: some of your favorite titles directors? Like, what are some

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Speaker 1: standouts for this little era?

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Speaker 3: Well, I think The Third Man would be among my

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Speaker 3: very favorites, uh, for a number of reasons, because it's

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Speaker 3: it's set in in just post World.

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Speaker 1: War two.

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Speaker 2: Berlin?

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Speaker 3: Is it Berlin or Vienna? Now I'm going to see

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Speaker 3: how much see how much of an expert hand? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and everything is in ruins and it's it's fabulously noir,

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Speaker 3: and it's it also, but it also is about how

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01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:33,360
Speaker 3: you become friends with someone in your youth that you

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01:26:33,479 --> 01:26:38,160
Speaker 3: think is this spectacular, wonderful person and then you you

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Speaker 3: you know, part ways and you you come back together,

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01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:45,639
Speaker 3: uh are you You encounter them again and you realize

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Speaker 3: this is a horrible person or things are not what

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Speaker 3: they seemed when you know, when you were young and

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Speaker 3: dewey eyed. So that appeals to me. It reminded me

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Speaker 3: a little bit of my previous Ephic novels, which were

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Speaker 3: over easy and the customer is Always wrong, which is

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Speaker 3: about working in a restaurant in Oakland in the late seventies,

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Speaker 3: where the main character is a guy who's about ten

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Speaker 3: years older than the rest of us restaurant workers, and

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Speaker 3: we all thought of him as our groovy beat nick

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01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:20,880
Speaker 3: dad and I you know, I did think of him

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Speaker 3: that way for many years until it finally dawned on

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Speaker 3: me that he wasn't perfect. I mean, he was no

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Speaker 3: Orson Wells in The Third Man, he wasn't selling diluted

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Speaker 3: penicillin children, but you know, he had he had Clay.

1501
01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:42,280
Speaker 3: You know, he was definitely not perfect, which actually made

1502
01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:45,679
Speaker 3: him a much more interesting subject and made it possible

1503
01:27:45,680 --> 01:27:50,439
Speaker 3: for me to to create those books. So, you know,

1504
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:53,840
Speaker 3: it's just that that thing that happens to as you

1505
01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:58,120
Speaker 3: go along in life, where you you have had, you know,

1506
01:27:58,200 --> 01:28:01,400
Speaker 3: a friendship with someone and then later you realize there

1507
01:28:01,439 --> 01:28:02,439
Speaker 3: was something wrong with that.

1508
01:28:02,720 --> 01:28:05,040
Speaker 2: And also the noir.

1509
01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:08,600
Speaker 3: Aspects of it are just spectacular, you know, and the

1510
01:28:09,439 --> 01:28:15,000
Speaker 3: you know, the cinematography and everything that this character is

1511
01:28:15,080 --> 01:28:18,639
Speaker 3: learning as he goes as he goes along in search

1512
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:23,800
Speaker 3: of his old friend, is just a wonderful It's a

1513
01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:27,679
Speaker 3: great way to handle the story, you know, just hearing

1514
01:28:28,240 --> 01:28:33,479
Speaker 3: about him, this character from all these different points of view.

1515
01:28:33,880 --> 01:28:37,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so interesting too because I think that one

1516
01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:40,120
Speaker 1: of the first so you know, Carol Read the director

1517
01:28:40,160 --> 01:28:43,640
Speaker 1: of The Third Man, I think one of the first

1518
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:46,479
Speaker 1: Carol Reid movies I ever saw was that movie The

1519
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:50,360
Speaker 1: Fallen Idol from nineteen forty eight, which is also sort

1520
01:28:50,360 --> 01:28:54,840
Speaker 1: of about this theme of like idolizing someone and then

1521
01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:58,920
Speaker 1: realizing that they're not as great as you thought. Like

1522
01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:02,600
Speaker 1: in that movie, it's all obviously that the kid idolizes

1523
01:29:02,760 --> 01:29:07,679
Speaker 1: the butler and then realizes that he's probably a murderer.

1524
01:29:07,960 --> 01:29:10,400
Speaker 1: You know, So it's kind of that that, but I

1525
01:29:10,439 --> 01:29:12,680
Speaker 1: feel like it fits, it fits the you know what

1526
01:29:12,720 --> 01:29:15,320
Speaker 1: we're talking about, which is you know.

1527
01:29:15,479 --> 01:29:17,880
Speaker 3: Sort of another yeah, another one like that, of course,

1528
01:29:17,960 --> 01:29:22,240
Speaker 3: is Shadow of a Doubt, which you know, Uncle Charlie

1529
01:29:22,240 --> 01:29:26,720
Speaker 3: comes to it and everyone thinks he's wonderful and and

1530
01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:30,920
Speaker 3: his young niece is not quite convinced. And god, what

1531
01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:31,920
Speaker 3: a great movie.

1532
01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:33,000
Speaker 2: Ah.

1533
01:29:33,120 --> 01:29:35,840
Speaker 1: Teresa Wright is so good in Shadow of Doubt. I

1534
01:29:36,280 --> 01:29:39,160
Speaker 1: love her so so interesting the way the way.

1535
01:29:40,640 --> 01:29:47,879
Speaker 3: Hitchcock is fully capable of portraying strong female characters. And

1536
01:29:47,880 --> 01:29:51,040
Speaker 3: and then later on he you know, he falls into

1537
01:29:51,080 --> 01:29:53,400
Speaker 3: that trap of like that you know that the the uh,

1538
01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:59,439
Speaker 3: the icy blonde and and you know, behaved badly to

1539
01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:03,800
Speaker 3: his his stars. But like in the first the first

1540
01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:07,440
Speaker 3: version of the Man who Knew Too Much that the

1541
01:30:07,439 --> 01:30:11,160
Speaker 3: the mother in that in that version is has so

1542
01:30:11,320 --> 01:30:16,360
Speaker 3: much more of a of a of a completely controlling

1543
01:30:16,520 --> 01:30:20,840
Speaker 3: role in the in the narrative, you know, like through

1544
01:30:20,880 --> 01:30:23,840
Speaker 3: her actions, you know, at the end, you know, I

1545
01:30:23,880 --> 01:30:25,439
Speaker 3: don't want to give it away for anyone who hasn't

1546
01:30:25,439 --> 01:30:27,879
Speaker 3: seen it. But she's she's not in the least bit passive.

1547
01:30:27,960 --> 01:30:32,880
Speaker 3: She's very active, unlike in the fifties version where Doris

1548
01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:36,120
Speaker 3: Day just has to sit there, you know, trying to

1549
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:39,200
Speaker 3: not lose her mind. I mean, they're both good, but

1550
01:30:39,280 --> 01:30:42,760
Speaker 3: the first one is so it's so great.

1551
01:30:42,680 --> 01:30:45,760
Speaker 1: But let's talk. I think part of what really drew

1552
01:30:45,800 --> 01:30:48,519
Speaker 1: me to your area of expertise because I'm a huge

1553
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:53,080
Speaker 1: fan of these directors, but Powell and Pressburger the Archers

1554
01:30:53,600 --> 01:31:00,719
Speaker 1: made some of the most incredible, beautiful films. Oh yeah,

1555
01:31:00,760 --> 01:31:04,479
Speaker 1: all time. Oh yeah, and so and I feel like this,

1556
01:31:04,880 --> 01:31:06,920
Speaker 1: you know, you brought this up when we were talking

1557
01:31:06,920 --> 01:31:11,760
Speaker 1: about your area of expertise as part of this sort

1558
01:31:11,760 --> 01:31:14,479
Speaker 1: of collection of films that you're really into, and so like,

1559
01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:16,880
Speaker 1: what what is it about Powell and Presburger for you

1560
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:18,360
Speaker 1: that really grabs you?

1561
01:31:19,479 --> 01:31:19,719
Speaker 2: Well?

1562
01:31:19,960 --> 01:31:23,559
Speaker 3: I loved I know where I'm going so much, just

1563
01:31:23,640 --> 01:31:28,759
Speaker 3: so much, because you know, it's it's about a young

1564
01:31:29,320 --> 01:31:33,280
Speaker 3: British career woman. The war's just over. She's she thinks

1565
01:31:33,320 --> 01:31:37,439
Speaker 3: she's got it all in the bag. She's she's you know,

1566
01:31:37,560 --> 01:31:40,160
Speaker 3: been working in London, and she's you know, she's like

1567
01:31:40,240 --> 01:31:44,000
Speaker 3: the she's kind of like an eighties career gal in

1568
01:31:44,720 --> 01:31:47,320
Speaker 3: you know, nineteen forty six or nineteen forty seven, and

1569
01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:50,439
Speaker 3: she's she's landed. But the prime catch she's got this

1570
01:31:50,520 --> 01:31:53,080
Speaker 3: wealthy industrialist who's going to marry her. All she has

1571
01:31:53,120 --> 01:31:55,760
Speaker 3: to do is get to Scotland and get to this

1572
01:31:55,880 --> 01:31:58,160
Speaker 3: island off the coast of Scotland where they're going to

1573
01:31:58,200 --> 01:32:01,000
Speaker 3: get married. And that reminds me of the Midford sisters

1574
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:07,160
Speaker 3: because their family bought an island, inch kenneths in the Hebrides,

1575
01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:11,680
Speaker 3: off the coast of Scotland. Deborah said it later. It

1576
01:32:11,720 --> 01:32:14,160
Speaker 3: took longer to get to inch Kenneth than it took

1577
01:32:14,200 --> 01:32:18,120
Speaker 3: to fly to Brazil. You had to take a twelve

1578
01:32:18,120 --> 01:32:21,559
Speaker 3: hour train up to the coast in Scotland and then

1579
01:32:21,720 --> 01:32:25,360
Speaker 3: get on a ferry to one island, and then from

1580
01:32:25,360 --> 01:32:28,080
Speaker 3: that island you'd get someone to row you over to

1581
01:32:28,120 --> 01:32:31,599
Speaker 3: inch Kenneth. So and I know where I'm going. Our

1582
01:32:31,680 --> 01:32:35,760
Speaker 3: protagonist gets to, you know, this one little island and

1583
01:32:35,800 --> 01:32:37,519
Speaker 3: she's got to get someone to row her over to

1584
01:32:37,600 --> 01:32:40,000
Speaker 3: this other island where she's supposed to get married. And

1585
01:32:40,360 --> 01:32:43,080
Speaker 3: that's where things start to go wrong, the weather won't cooperate,

1586
01:32:43,120 --> 01:32:45,320
Speaker 3: and she has to figure out where she you know,

1587
01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:47,800
Speaker 3: there's all these interesting people come along.

1588
01:32:48,160 --> 01:32:50,880
Speaker 1: And change her point of view.

1589
01:32:51,040 --> 01:32:54,000
Speaker 3: And I think my favorite detail from the movie is

1590
01:32:54,520 --> 01:32:57,320
Speaker 3: when she's trying to make a phone call from a

1591
01:32:58,280 --> 01:33:01,240
Speaker 3: telephone booth that's next door raging waterfall.

1592
01:33:06,040 --> 01:33:09,040
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I do love I know where I'm going.

1593
01:33:09,160 --> 01:33:11,759
Speaker 1: That was like one of the first Palla Presburger movies

1594
01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:15,479
Speaker 1: I ever saw. But I, I mean, you really can't

1595
01:33:15,520 --> 01:33:20,200
Speaker 1: deny black narcissists. I just think that God is it

1596
01:33:20,280 --> 01:33:26,200
Speaker 1: is so good but insane. It's art, it is brought.

1597
01:33:27,400 --> 01:33:31,599
Speaker 1: I became kind of obsessed with it for a long

1598
01:33:31,680 --> 01:33:37,040
Speaker 1: time because, you know, number one, it's like, you know,

1599
01:33:37,120 --> 01:33:40,120
Speaker 1: one of the original horny Nun movies, which I feel like,

1600
01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:44,320
Speaker 1: you know, we've cycled through many at this point, but

1601
01:33:44,360 --> 01:33:46,600
Speaker 1: I feel like the well, one of the originals you

1602
01:33:46,600 --> 01:33:51,320
Speaker 1: cannot beat. But I also just the idea of you know,

1603
01:33:52,479 --> 01:33:56,479
Speaker 1: there being this sort of mythical place in the is

1604
01:33:56,520 --> 01:33:59,679
Speaker 1: it in the Himalayas, where it's just like everybody goes

1605
01:33:59,720 --> 01:34:03,360
Speaker 1: backs up there and it's just like this environment. It's

1606
01:34:03,400 --> 01:34:07,320
Speaker 1: like a magical environment that people can't control themselves in.

1607
01:34:07,280 --> 01:34:11,480
Speaker 3: And then the sexy dude walks in, yeah with short shorts.

1608
01:34:11,640 --> 01:34:17,000
Speaker 2: It's freezing and he has short shorts in an open suret. Yeah.

1609
01:34:17,040 --> 01:34:19,439
Speaker 1: But I think that's the thing about the Powell and

1610
01:34:19,520 --> 01:34:22,879
Speaker 1: Pressburger world is that there is this sort of element

1611
01:34:22,960 --> 01:34:25,639
Speaker 1: of magic that kind of happens. I mean, I think

1612
01:34:25,680 --> 01:34:28,400
Speaker 1: about a matter of life and death, which is I

1613
01:34:28,400 --> 01:34:31,160
Speaker 1: think my favorite Powell and Pressburger movie, just the you

1614
01:34:31,160 --> 01:34:36,160
Speaker 1: know that is obviously about kind of heaven and alternate realities.

1615
01:34:36,200 --> 01:34:38,920
Speaker 1: But even in the Red Shoes there's this kind of

1616
01:34:39,000 --> 01:34:39,960
Speaker 1: element of.

1617
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:43,400
Speaker 3: I mean, the thing in The Red Shoes that I mean,

1618
01:34:43,439 --> 01:34:45,800
Speaker 3: it's just such a fabulous movie. But today you look

1619
01:34:45,800 --> 01:34:48,920
Speaker 3: at it and you think, why can't she have a

1620
01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:51,479
Speaker 3: career and get married? Right?

1621
01:34:52,080 --> 01:34:56,200
Speaker 2: Yes, like this like it's almost like, you know, it.

1622
01:34:56,200 --> 01:35:00,639
Speaker 1: Is like she has to be a nun for dance. Yeah,

1623
01:35:00,680 --> 01:35:04,360
Speaker 1: oh that's true. And the idea of there's these kind

1624
01:35:04,360 --> 01:35:08,640
Speaker 1: of themes that occur in their movies. Uh, and you know,

1625
01:35:08,720 --> 01:35:15,120
Speaker 1: it's like magic choice, women's choices, you know, and obviously

1626
01:35:15,200 --> 01:35:17,879
Speaker 1: just sort of the visual component of all these films

1627
01:35:17,920 --> 01:35:21,080
Speaker 1: that look really great. Anything, I mean, is there anything

1628
01:35:21,080 --> 01:35:25,519
Speaker 1: else that you think like another movie that you would

1629
01:35:25,600 --> 01:35:28,920
Speaker 1: consider part of this, of this passion of yours. I

1630
01:35:28,920 --> 01:35:33,760
Speaker 1: mean you talked about National Velvet, which I haven't seen

1631
01:35:33,800 --> 01:35:34,920
Speaker 1: in a very long time.

1632
01:35:35,320 --> 01:35:38,519
Speaker 3: I mean, the thing, the thing that that I zero

1633
01:35:38,640 --> 01:35:41,880
Speaker 3: in on on National Velvet is that. And this gets

1634
01:35:42,080 --> 01:35:43,920
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know why this isn't more of

1635
01:35:44,439 --> 01:35:48,280
Speaker 3: a thing. It's revealed late in the movie that her

1636
01:35:48,320 --> 01:35:52,920
Speaker 3: mother had had successfully swung the English Channel and was

1637
01:35:52,960 --> 01:35:56,559
Speaker 3: an you know, an athlete, and that she you know,

1638
01:35:56,600 --> 01:35:58,960
Speaker 3: she has this scene with her daughter where she like says,

1639
01:35:59,120 --> 01:36:01,080
Speaker 3: I want this for you. I want you to have

1640
01:36:01,160 --> 01:36:04,639
Speaker 3: this triumph. I want you to go for your dreams.

1641
01:36:04,680 --> 01:36:07,800
Speaker 3: And you never you hardly ever see that in movies.

1642
01:36:07,840 --> 01:36:10,439
Speaker 3: The only other movie I've ever seen it in is

1643
01:36:10,600 --> 01:36:15,280
Speaker 3: in A Tree Grows in Brooklyn, where towards the end,

1644
01:36:15,280 --> 01:36:19,360
Speaker 3: the mother is in labor and they've sent the brother

1645
01:36:19,479 --> 01:36:23,120
Speaker 3: off to get the doctor and the mother is you know,

1646
01:36:23,240 --> 01:36:26,559
Speaker 3: in labor and is finally able to tell her daughter,

1647
01:36:26,600 --> 01:36:29,320
Speaker 3: I'm sorry I couldn't be there more for you, because

1648
01:36:29,760 --> 01:36:31,840
Speaker 3: you know, your father died and I've been busy trying

1649
01:36:31,880 --> 01:36:34,840
Speaker 3: to hold it together. But you know, I want you

1650
01:36:34,880 --> 01:36:36,599
Speaker 3: to have all the things that you want to have

1651
01:36:36,680 --> 01:36:39,960
Speaker 3: and I want you to have your dreams and everything.

1652
01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:40,519
Speaker 1: And it's just.

1653
01:36:41,200 --> 01:36:44,040
Speaker 2: Brings me to tears every time. Mimi, I wanted to

1654
01:36:44,120 --> 01:36:47,640
Speaker 2: ask you, you know, graphic novels are such a oftentimes

1655
01:36:47,640 --> 01:36:51,800
Speaker 2: cinematic art form. How do you find yourself inspired by

1656
01:36:51,840 --> 01:36:55,280
Speaker 2: watching movies? Hugely? Hugely? I mean in comics.

1657
01:36:55,439 --> 01:36:59,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm surprised that cartoonists don't talk more about it,

1658
01:36:59,560 --> 01:37:03,160
Speaker 3: or I mean, it's it's everything. I mean, filmmaking is

1659
01:37:03,200 --> 01:37:08,439
Speaker 3: the ultimate visual storytelling, duh. And like there's so much

1660
01:37:08,479 --> 01:37:13,400
Speaker 3: to learn from watching movies and telling a story visually. Uh,

1661
01:37:13,439 --> 01:37:16,800
Speaker 3: that there's so much more economical than what a lot

1662
01:37:16,800 --> 01:37:17,519
Speaker 3: of people do.

1663
01:37:18,160 --> 01:37:18,240
Speaker 2: Uh.

1664
01:37:18,360 --> 01:37:23,479
Speaker 3: And with with do admit as a graphic biography. I

1665
01:37:23,520 --> 01:37:28,760
Speaker 3: wanted to avoid the pitfalls of of graphic biographies, which

1666
01:37:28,800 --> 01:37:31,800
Speaker 3: wind up being a lot of talking heads. So I

1667
01:37:31,920 --> 01:37:36,640
Speaker 3: was drawing on everything I possibly could, from film stills

1668
01:37:36,760 --> 01:37:42,800
Speaker 3: to movie posters to you know, I've got a whole

1669
01:37:42,840 --> 01:37:47,240
Speaker 3: Pinterest page called Strong Mitford Tea that you know, anyone

1670
01:37:47,320 --> 01:37:49,360
Speaker 3: can look at. Now I've opened it up to the public,

1671
01:37:49,600 --> 01:37:52,479
Speaker 3: but I've got thousands and thousands of images that I

1672
01:37:52,640 --> 01:37:56,799
Speaker 3: used to just try to tell the story visually instead

1673
01:37:56,800 --> 01:37:59,080
Speaker 3: of just relying on you know, blahmah blah blah blah

1674
01:37:59,120 --> 01:38:03,120
Speaker 3: blah blah blah blah bla raw it. I think more

1675
01:38:03,160 --> 01:38:07,680
Speaker 3: cartoonists should take note of of, you know, filmmaking and

1676
01:38:07,760 --> 01:38:12,479
Speaker 3: visual storytelling because it's just everything. Can I talk about

1677
01:38:12,520 --> 01:38:19,080
Speaker 3: one more? Like my favorite, my favorite uh expositional scene

1678
01:38:19,439 --> 01:38:22,880
Speaker 3: that that tells you everything you need to know without

1679
01:38:23,160 --> 01:38:27,760
Speaker 3: without hardly any dialogue, is in Billy Wilder's The Apartment.

1680
01:38:28,360 --> 01:38:32,800
Speaker 3: I'm also just a giant Billy Wilder fan. When Jack

1681
01:38:32,880 --> 01:38:36,400
Speaker 3: Lemons has been you know, loaning loaning out his apartment

1682
01:38:36,439 --> 01:38:39,320
Speaker 3: to to his evil boss, Fred McMurray, who's been having

1683
01:38:39,400 --> 01:38:45,040
Speaker 3: assignations there, and he finds a compact with a cracked

1684
01:38:45,120 --> 01:38:48,720
Speaker 3: mirror that obviously belonged to one of Fred's dates, and

1685
01:38:48,760 --> 01:38:52,320
Speaker 3: he hands it back to him, uh earlier on. So

1686
01:38:52,400 --> 01:38:54,880
Speaker 3: now you know, now it's the new year, I mean

1687
01:38:54,920 --> 01:38:58,680
Speaker 3: the Christmas party at the office and Shirley maclain is

1688
01:38:58,680 --> 01:39:01,559
Speaker 3: the elevator girl that he's and friendly with, and and

1689
01:39:01,840 --> 01:39:05,639
Speaker 3: he's he's gotten his rays because he's he's been pimping

1690
01:39:05,640 --> 01:39:10,840
Speaker 3: out his apartment to Fred McMurray, and he wants to

1691
01:39:10,880 --> 01:39:15,479
Speaker 3: show Shirley McLain this new hat he's bought to celebrate

1692
01:39:15,520 --> 01:39:17,880
Speaker 3: having a raise, and he he puts on the hat

1693
01:39:17,920 --> 01:39:20,600
Speaker 3: and she says, here, take my my compact and he

1694
01:39:20,640 --> 01:39:23,200
Speaker 3: opens it and he realizes it's her compact. She's the

1695
01:39:23,200 --> 01:39:26,360
Speaker 3: one who's been sleeping with Fred McMurray, and everything changes

1696
01:39:26,680 --> 01:39:27,879
Speaker 3: and it's just that simple.

1697
01:39:28,920 --> 01:39:33,599
Speaker 1: It's just brilliant. Yeah. Man, the movie breaks my heart

1698
01:39:34,000 --> 01:39:36,639
Speaker 1: and I and it makes me hate Fred McMurray so much.

1699
01:39:37,240 --> 01:39:39,719
Speaker 3: Oh I know, he's so he's so deliciously evil.

1700
01:39:40,120 --> 01:39:44,280
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like even worse than like double indemnity or

1701
01:39:44,320 --> 01:39:46,240
Speaker 1: something like. He just was like, he's just such a

1702
01:39:46,360 --> 01:39:50,920
Speaker 1: gross gross double indemnity.

1703
01:39:51,160 --> 01:39:54,280
Speaker 3: I'm Once I saw Dead Men Don't wear plaid, I

1704
01:39:54,360 --> 01:39:59,439
Speaker 3: realized it was so glaring that that Barbara Stanwick is

1705
01:39:59,479 --> 01:40:03,120
Speaker 3: wearing this this blonde wig through the whole thing, and

1706
01:40:03,160 --> 01:40:06,160
Speaker 3: I can't It's like, I can't not see that wig

1707
01:40:06,240 --> 01:40:07,519
Speaker 3: every time I watch that movie.

1708
01:40:07,560 --> 01:40:11,000
Speaker 1: It's such a wig. Oh, it's such a wig. I

1709
01:40:11,040 --> 01:40:13,599
Speaker 1: know it's cracks me up, but yeah, I grew up

1710
01:40:13,640 --> 01:40:15,880
Speaker 1: watching my three sons, so it was like I always

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Speaker 1: thought that Fred McMurray was like a good a good

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Speaker 1: dad or whatever, and then I'm like, ah, but all

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01:40:20,360 --> 01:40:22,880
Speaker 1: these other films, they just like make them into such

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01:40:22,880 --> 01:40:26,640
Speaker 1: a such a bad dude. Oh well I could. I

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01:40:26,640 --> 01:40:28,240
Speaker 1: could literally sit here and talk to you about these

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01:40:28,240 --> 01:40:30,200
Speaker 1: movies all day long, Mamie, because I just am such

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01:40:30,240 --> 01:40:34,200
Speaker 1: a fan and we're such fans of yours too, I mean, honestly,

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01:40:34,360 --> 01:40:36,599
Speaker 1: like I like I said, I want to encourage everybody

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Speaker 1: to go out there and get do Admit, which is

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01:40:39,280 --> 01:40:44,840
Speaker 1: Mimi's graphic novel about the Mitford Sisters, and they're a

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01:40:44,920 --> 01:40:48,560
Speaker 1: fascinating bunch. I learned a lot about them and I

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01:40:48,640 --> 01:40:51,800
Speaker 1: think it's great. But also your other graphic novels, The

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01:40:51,800 --> 01:40:55,519
Speaker 1: Customer is Always Wrong, which is the best name for

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01:40:55,760 --> 01:41:00,559
Speaker 1: anything over easy? Is there anything else? Are you working

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01:41:00,600 --> 01:41:03,280
Speaker 1: on anything? Now? I mean you just completed this huge

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01:41:04,360 --> 01:41:07,200
Speaker 1: task of the Midford Sisters. What I mean, I'm still

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01:41:07,240 --> 01:41:07,720
Speaker 1: promoting it.

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Speaker 3: I'm thinking, you know, there's a the and me part

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01:41:11,680 --> 01:41:14,439
Speaker 3: of the Midford Sisters. And me is I insert some

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01:41:14,560 --> 01:41:21,240
Speaker 3: autobiographical aspects of my own life into their story just

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01:41:21,280 --> 01:41:25,679
Speaker 3: to contrast, you know, like growing up in San Diego

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Speaker 3: in the nineteen sixties with the Cotswolds in the nineteen

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Speaker 3: twenties and people seem to have responded really well to that,

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Speaker 3: so I think memoir might be the next thing on

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01:41:37,040 --> 01:41:37,680
Speaker 3: the horizon.

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Speaker 1: Oh cool, very exciting. Well, thank you so much, Mimi.

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Speaker 1: It was such a pleasure, and please come back anytime.

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Speaker 3: You always happy to be back and talking about movies.

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01:41:51,880 --> 01:41:54,240
Speaker 3: We can do a whole one just on wigs.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that would be great.

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01:42:07,200 --> 01:42:11,160
Speaker 1: Well, and normally we would provide people with our staff

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01:42:11,200 --> 01:42:13,920
Speaker 1: picks for the week, but considering this is the best

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01:42:13,920 --> 01:42:15,720
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty five episode and all we did was

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01:42:15,760 --> 01:42:19,080
Speaker 1: recommend things to we're not going to do them. Just

1745
01:42:19,720 --> 01:42:22,000
Speaker 1: watch what we told you to watch from earlier and

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01:42:22,080 --> 01:42:24,799
Speaker 1: that'll be our staff pick.

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01:42:25,160 --> 01:42:27,840
Speaker 2: Right, that's it. Yeah, we had a lot of picks. Yeah,

1748
01:42:27,880 --> 01:42:29,360
Speaker 2: if you didn't see any of the movies we talked

1749
01:42:29,400 --> 01:42:33,479
Speaker 2: about today, go see him check them out.

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01:42:33,520 --> 01:42:35,879
Speaker 1: I just want to My dog's taking another dump in front.

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01:42:35,680 --> 01:42:38,520
Speaker 2: Of well, that usually signals the end of the podcast.

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01:42:38,720 --> 01:42:39,320
Speaker 2: That's true.

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01:42:39,400 --> 01:42:43,599
Speaker 1: What my dog takes a dump to ceremonially end this shit?

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01:42:44,160 --> 01:42:46,280
Speaker 1: All right, Well, listen if you want film advice, or

1755
01:42:46,280 --> 01:42:48,280
Speaker 1: if you want to reach out to us for any reason.

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01:42:48,920 --> 01:42:51,400
Speaker 1: Casey is always up in them guts by the way,

1757
01:42:51,439 --> 01:42:53,240
Speaker 1: he's either going to reply to you or we're going

1758
01:42:53,320 --> 01:42:58,759
Speaker 1: to read your letter or upload your voicemail to the episode,

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Speaker 1: so you can't lose. But we're at Deer Movies at

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Speaker 1: exactly rightmedia dot com. And like I said, if you've

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Speaker 1: got the three wisg's, if you've got a film gripe,

1762
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Speaker 1: you got a film regret or a consensual film group,

1763
01:43:13,720 --> 01:43:16,599
Speaker 1: we'd love to hear them. And like I said, if

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Speaker 1: you have a voicemail and you want to leave us

1765
01:43:18,360 --> 01:43:21,960
Speaker 1: your beautiful voice, record it on your phone, make it

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Speaker 1: under a minute, email it to us Dear Movies at

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Speaker 2: That's correct, and please follow us on our socials at

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Speaker 2: Deer Movies I Love You on Instagram and Facebook. Our

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Speaker 2: letterbox handles are at Caseyle O'Brien and at m de Chercho.

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Speaker 2: You can follow us and see that we don't leave

1772
01:43:40,240 --> 01:43:44,679
Speaker 2: just five star reviews on movies drives me crazy. Listen

1773
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Speaker 2: to Deer Movies I Love You on the iHeartRadio app,

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Speaker 2: Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and rate

1775
01:43:49,240 --> 01:43:52,200
Speaker 2: review our show. Thank you Mimi Pond for being on

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01:43:52,240 --> 01:43:55,639
Speaker 2: this episode. It was great talking to you. Talk about

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01:43:55,680 --> 01:44:01,600
Speaker 2: next week bro next week, Jingle Jingle Bells. It's the

1778
01:44:01,720 --> 01:44:11,720
Speaker 2: Christmas season and we have the Christmas Zaddie himself, Alonzo

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01:44:11,840 --> 01:44:14,000
Speaker 2: Dralda is going to be on the This is a

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01:44:14,040 --> 01:44:16,719
Speaker 2: little bit different. He's gonna be on the entire episode.

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01:44:16,720 --> 01:44:22,120
Speaker 2: That's great because we're both friends with him and I'm

1782
01:44:22,160 --> 01:44:24,480
Speaker 2: excited to have him on to talk all things Christmas.

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01:44:25,000 --> 01:44:28,160
Speaker 1: I'm excited to have him too. He's the king of

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01:44:28,240 --> 01:44:30,400
Speaker 1: Christmas movies, and I feel like he is the one,

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01:44:30,439 --> 01:44:34,080
Speaker 1: if anybody's the one, He's the one to give the

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01:44:34,160 --> 01:44:42,040
Speaker 1: definitive answer to these contentious film at Christmas time questions

1787
01:44:42,479 --> 01:44:47,320
Speaker 1: like is Zodiac a Christmas movie? Should we be playing

1788
01:44:47,360 --> 01:44:52,679
Speaker 1: Diehard around the hearth, drinking bold wine? This kind of stuff,

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01:44:52,960 --> 01:44:54,840
Speaker 1: like he's the authority.

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01:44:54,520 --> 01:44:58,160
Speaker 2: And he's the authority. Yes, So it'll be great to

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01:44:58,200 --> 01:45:04,000
Speaker 2: have him on. Can't wait to see him all right, Oh, Millie, wow,

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01:45:04,240 --> 01:45:06,800
Speaker 2: what it's the end of the episode. We're at the

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01:45:06,880 --> 01:45:10,479
Speaker 2: end of the year. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

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01:45:11,920 --> 01:45:15,000
Speaker 1: We'll see everybody next week perhaps.

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01:45:15,000 --> 01:45:17,799
Speaker 2: Absolutely Bye bye.

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Speaker 1: This has been an exactly right production hosted by me

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Speaker 1: Milli to Cherico and produced by my co host Casey O'Brien.

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01:45:26,360 --> 01:45:30,160
Speaker 2: This episode was mixed by Tom Bryfogel. Our associate producer

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01:45:30,200 --> 01:45:33,559
Speaker 2: is Christina Chamberlain, our guest booker is Patrick Cottner, and

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Speaker 2: our artwork is by Vanessa Lilac.

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01:45:35,680 --> 01:45:38,559
Speaker 1: Our incredible theme music is by the best band in

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01:45:38,600 --> 01:45:40,480
Speaker 1: the entire world, The Softies.

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01:45:40,760 --> 01:45:44,639
Speaker 2: Thank you to our executive producers Karen Kilgareff, Georgia hart Stark,

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01:45:44,840 --> 01:45:48,160
Speaker 2: Daniel Kramer and Millie. To Jericho, we love you. Goodbye

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Speaker 2: Beer