Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media.
Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to Cool People. Did Cool Stuff your
Speaker 2: weekly reminder that we put out a podcast twice a
Speaker 2: week because it's Wednesday, and so this is part two
Speaker 2: and it's part two of our twenty twenty five Question
Speaker 2: and Answers with Magpie and Sophie. And I'm one of
Speaker 2: those two people, Magpie aka Marger Kiljoy and the other
Speaker 2: person Sophie, who's my producer. Hi, Sophie, how are you?
Speaker 3: I'm doing well, Magpie.
Speaker 2: I have all this energy because I'm not entirely certain why.
Speaker 2: But also I'm standing while recording, which I cannot do
Speaker 2: for like a long one where I'm reading, Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: And I think that's why I'm energetic.
Speaker 3: You're jazzed woo.
Speaker 2: Anyway, Hi Rory. Our audio engineer is Rory. Hi Rory,
Speaker 2: and our theme music was written forced by un Woman.
Speaker 2: And this group of questions comes from Blue Sky.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what might be a little bit shorter because
Speaker 1: there's less questions from the Blue Sky than there was
Speaker 1: on the Instagram. But we'll go for it and try
Speaker 1: not to pick any of the repetitive ones. Margaret mentions
Speaker 1: about how some of the people sush groups you research
Speaker 1: has become uncool, and maybe it doesn't end up doing
Speaker 1: a show about them. Can you name a few of
Speaker 1: them and why you uncooled them. I feel like it's
Speaker 1: just like shitty wife guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, or shitty non wife guys. I guess, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean. Often if I am if I'm on like
Speaker 2: day three of researching, I'm just doing the episode anyway,
Speaker 2: and then I'm just being like, well, it turns out
Speaker 2: everyone is at best morally gray, and many people who
Speaker 2: are held up as heroes aren't. And so most of
Speaker 2: the time I end up doing that. But then there's
Speaker 2: like I can't think of any of the top my
Speaker 2: head of like the cursory examination. I start being like, oh,
Speaker 2: this looks cool, and then I'm like, oh, this isn't cool.
Speaker 2: Although I will say the main reason that I have
Speaker 2: to put aside topics that I want to cover or
Speaker 2: I thought I wanted to cover, as lack of good material,
Speaker 2: like if there's only a single source or okay. The
Speaker 2: thing I run across the most is that there's always
Speaker 2: a huge difference between the I'm a pop historian, I'm
Speaker 2: not a historian. I don't do academic work, but there's
Speaker 2: still a huge difference between the like quick article cool
Speaker 2: cliff notes versions of a cool person in history and
Speaker 2: then their actual story, and the degree to which those
Speaker 2: are different from each other can sometimes be night and day.
Speaker 2: So I go into it being like, oh, I think
Speaker 2: this person's cool because I've heard the following things about them,
Speaker 2: And then was, you know, really not good to women?
Speaker 2: That's like the number one thing. Yeah, that's women.
Speaker 1: The next person says, your D and D episode really
Speaker 1: resonated with me, and I'd love to hear more. What
Speaker 1: are some of your favorite tt RPGs moments and characters, stories,
Speaker 1: any favorite system or setting.
Speaker 2: I am pretty basic with what I play. I am
Speaker 2: not I don't like learning the new rules of a
Speaker 2: new system. I am not a game girl.
Speaker 1: Oh really, you don't like rules, you don't like new systems?
Speaker 2: Oh my god?
Speaker 4: Wow?
Speaker 2: Wait have you seen this? Have you seen this Hard
Speaker 2: Times meme or headline or whatever that goes around Instagram
Speaker 2: every now and that like anarchists surprisingly strict about rules
Speaker 2: for board game?
Speaker 1: Yes, oh my god, yes, oh my god, I haven't
Speaker 1: thought about that in so long.
Speaker 3: Yes, I know exactly, Yes, Yes, it says.
Speaker 2: The process of like sitting down and learning a new
Speaker 2: system is like not really what I enjoy a new world,
Speaker 2: a new game, like a new game world to play in. Yes,
Speaker 2: but so I'm not one of these people. Like a
Speaker 2: lot of people, and I really respect them. There's so
Speaker 2: many independent RPGs, and a lot of them are like
Speaker 2: really quick to learn and play. I have been playing
Speaker 2: Dungeons and Dragons since I was in fourth grade, and
Speaker 2: I recently moved to Pathfinder, which was like a split
Speaker 2: from Dungeons and Dragons that happened a while ago, and
Speaker 2: I didn't even bother going with the split when it happened.
Speaker 2: But I've more recently moved on because of well, I
Speaker 2: like the system that they created, and also they're just
Speaker 2: like I'm not trying to, dude say my opinions about
Speaker 2: the relative pros and cons of various places. And I've
Speaker 2: also done work for Wizards of the Coast because I
Speaker 2: wrote a Magic the Gathering tie in story at one point. Anyway,
Speaker 2: I play mostly Pathfinder now, and then I also played
Speaker 2: Pan Number City, which is tabletop role playing game that
Speaker 2: I helped write that's out now, and those those kind
Speaker 2: of keep me busy, Like that's kind of enough for me.
Speaker 2: I Okay, One of the other memes that I really
Speaker 2: like is there's this or there's idea like the first
Speaker 2: Dungeons and Dragons character you make is gonna be like,
Speaker 2: I am Sir tharg Man, and I am off to
Speaker 2: avenge the death of my three parents or whatever, you know,
Speaker 2: something it's not actually super STRAIGHTFORWD because it's three parents,
Speaker 2: but you know, a vaguely straightforward thing. And then like
Speaker 2: your fifth D and D character is like I am
Speaker 2: a goblet being carried by my own magical hand, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I think these days when I make characters, I'm
Speaker 2: usually kind of like, I don't want them to be
Speaker 2: like Kit, but I like trying to play characters that
Speaker 2: are a bit abnormal. I think the one that I
Speaker 2: talk about a lot because I named my dog after
Speaker 2: her dog is there was a I played a character
Speaker 2: named Marley who was a ranger who lived in the
Speaker 2: woods and decided to become a bandit in her like
Speaker 2: early fifties, I think, after her husband died and all
Speaker 2: of our kids were grown up and out of the
Speaker 2: house so it didn't really matter, and so she was
Speaker 2: just like, I'm going to become a bandit now, and
Speaker 2: so she started her her adventuring life in her fifties.
Speaker 2: And it was fun because then like my grown kids
Speaker 2: ended up getting woven into the story and I didn't
Speaker 2: have control over them because the game master, the dungeon master,
Speaker 2: was determining all of that. And yeah, you get a
Speaker 2: dog when you're a ranger, and so I picked a
Speaker 2: dog named Rentraw. And then like a couple months later,
Speaker 2: my friend on the other side of the hill as
Speaker 2: me rescued a dog and I was like, your name
Speaker 2: is Rentraw. And the first thing he did, real Reintrom
Speaker 2: was a I don't know if I've said this on
Speaker 2: air before or not. I only have like three stories
Speaker 2: and I just told them over and over again. He
Speaker 2: ate the character sheet for Rentrom because I put it
Speaker 2: on top of his crate and he just like reached
Speaker 2: up and ate it. And I was like, well, all right,
Speaker 2: you're the real Rentrom. You have defeated the other.
Speaker 3: Defeated fake Rentraw. And that's beautiful.
Speaker 2: I can't remember have you played before?
Speaker 1: M M.
Speaker 2: One day, We're gonna.
Speaker 3: We're gonna get you, only with you, only with you, Okay.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to convince. I'm trying to convince enough people
Speaker 2: to put enough pressure that we can we can do
Speaker 2: at least a couple more episodes of live play with
Speaker 2: cool Zone people. I've done a couple before, but it'd
Speaker 2: be fun to get Sophian as.
Speaker 1: A player only for you. The next question, the first
Speaker 1: person's username on Blue Sky is troll Beard really really
Speaker 1: enjoy that handle? They have two questions. The first one
Speaker 1: is for me, Hi, says Sophie. How do you make
Speaker 1: it work to be the boss of some folks who
Speaker 1: are not only your friends but also friends who want
Speaker 1: to end the concept of bosses.
Speaker 3: It's a great question.
Speaker 1: Great question you can tell me if you a group
Speaker 1: is answer Magpie. Okay, anything super impleasant about the job
Speaker 1: I don't inflict on my colleagues one. Two, everybody knows
Speaker 1: their role.
Speaker 2: Three.
Speaker 1: Only hire people that really want to do the job
Speaker 1: you're giving them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1: And the hardest part about it is like going back
Speaker 1: and forth between the friend and boss boundary.
Speaker 3: Sometimes that's challenging.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not so often with with our group, because everybody
Speaker 1: is pretty good at handling their own shit and getting
Speaker 1: their jobs done. But yeah, also, I don't really There's
Speaker 1: lots of jokes that I'm the boss, but I don't
Speaker 1: feel like I act very boss like.
Speaker 2: And also I mean, just I think it's all right
Speaker 2: to say on air, but like, legally you're I'm a freelancer.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, so you're not legally my boss, you know,
Speaker 2: but like you're the person who makes things happen. You're
Speaker 2: the person who I mean, you're the producer. You you
Speaker 2: get everything together or you bottom line it. And actually, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think one of the things that you do that
Speaker 2: is the most important and actually I think is a
Speaker 2: thing that anyone in any position of responsibility should see themselves,
Speaker 2: because you have a lot of the responsibility and the
Speaker 2: buck sort of stops with you. With Cool Zone Media,
Speaker 2: to my understanding, is that interfacing with the larger network,
Speaker 2: you are what allows us to have a less corporatized
Speaker 2: experience while working for a corporate media platform. Yeah, because
Speaker 2: you are able to sort of shield and kind of
Speaker 2: create a little force field in which we can be
Speaker 2: a little bit more more free. So yes, but I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 1: The second question from troll Beard is, Margaret, what's your
Speaker 1: stance on the Blue Wizards?
Speaker 3: Do we like that? What do you think is their deal?
Speaker 3: Are they hot?
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna out myself in a terrible way right now.
Speaker 2: I have never read the Similarian. I watched Laura the
Speaker 2: Rings a lot, and I have read Lord of the
Speaker 2: Rings multiple times, and I read the Hobbit obsessively as
Speaker 2: a kid. And Lord of the Rings like really heavily
Speaker 2: influences a lot of stuff about like who I It's
Speaker 2: a very influential book to me. But I don't know
Speaker 2: the lore very well. And I got outed recently on
Speaker 2: my other podcast, Live Like the World Has Died because
Speaker 2: my co host Inman does know the lore really well,
Speaker 2: and I misnamed Gandalf's sword. I called it like glam Driel,
Speaker 2: which is like Galadriel meets glam Dring obviously, right, And
Speaker 2: I had to get called out for not knowing the
Speaker 2: name of the sword, which is to say, I don't
Speaker 2: know much about the Blue Wizards, and I'm I'm I'm
Speaker 2: sorry to say, and so I don't know they're hot.
Speaker 3: Probably I'm assuming they're hot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, like all of the existing wizards
Speaker 2: that we know a little bit more about clearly have
Speaker 2: something going on that has a certain certain charm. If
Speaker 2: you're if you're into an old bearded man and you're
Speaker 2: not into Gandalf or like even Sarahman has his fucking moments,
Speaker 2: you know. And but rad Agast, obviously lives among the animals,
Speaker 2: is clearly the most that's like husband material, certainly of
Speaker 2: the three of them.
Speaker 1: We're gonna go to a quick break to hear from
Speaker 1: somebody Murgert can't stop talking about.
Speaker 2: I know, I'm always raving about things and stuff.
Speaker 3: And we're back.
Speaker 1: I am unsure if you I don't have an answer
Speaker 1: to this, and you, I'm not sure if you'll have
Speaker 1: an answer to this. But I want to read this
Speaker 1: question and if people listening have an answer to it,
Speaker 1: can they comment back to this person on Lucy They said,
Speaker 1: I moved to Boston recently and I'm looking to get
Speaker 1: involved with some mutual aid groups in Boston. I know
Speaker 1: about warm Up Boston, but are there any other good
Speaker 1: groups like that in the area you can suggest I
Speaker 1: don't know much about I don't know Boston area, but
Speaker 1: I wanted to flag that, so if people that do know,
Speaker 1: can they get back to this person. It's on our
Speaker 1: blue Sky thread.
Speaker 2: And also I just want to say, like there's a question.
Speaker 2: I get a lot in direct messages of various kinds
Speaker 2: is like, Hey, I just moved to this place, how
Speaker 2: do I get involved with stuff? Or I've lived here
Speaker 2: my whole life? How do I get involved with stuff?
Speaker 2: And that is unfortunately one of the biggest questions in activism,
Speaker 2: because a lot of the people who are aggressively recruiting
Speaker 2: are looking to incorporate you into some sort of It's
Speaker 2: not always the best, right, but there are also groups
Speaker 2: that are desperately looking for help. If you can't find something,
Speaker 2: you should start something. But it is worth looking around
Speaker 2: to try and find out what's necessary where you live.
Speaker 2: And I would mostly say to anyone who's listening to this,
Speaker 2: who is in one of these groups, this is where
Speaker 2: overall we are lacking, is making ourselves visible to and
Speaker 2: available to people who want to become involved. We have
Speaker 2: this problem with cliquishness, We have this problem with becoming
Speaker 2: so afraid of the state infiltrating us that we become paralyzed.
Speaker 2: But a mutual aid group is a really good example
Speaker 2: of the kind of group that can usually be fairly open. Honestly,
Speaker 2: if it's not on some level open, is it really
Speaker 2: a mutual aid group or is it just a charity?
Speaker 2: If you can't join it. You know, I don't know
Speaker 2: if I'm going to hold by that as an absolute
Speaker 2: statement later, but what I would say is there are
Speaker 2: so many people like this question asker where you live,
Speaker 2: who are trying to figure out how to get involved,
Speaker 2: and if you're doing good work, one more part of
Speaker 2: that good work you have to do is learning how
Speaker 2: to integrate new people. One of the best things I've
Speaker 2: ever seen is having a point person who sits with
Speaker 2: and talks with anyone knew who's at a meeting. You know, like,
Speaker 2: you may or may not want to just totally advertise.
Speaker 2: You might still want to stay word of mouth. That's fine,
Speaker 2: but onboarding is absolutely where we are lacking, and then
Speaker 2: other people who don't always have the best intentions are
Speaker 2: picking up that slack.
Speaker 1: Next question is they say, as a queer content creator
Speaker 1: who's getting fed up with society, how hard is it
Speaker 1: to be an anarchist content creator in the middle of nowhere?
Speaker 1: What are the challenges and benefits?
Speaker 3: I like that if the.
Speaker 2: Question is about like being challenges and benefits of being
Speaker 2: in the middle of nowhere as a queer anarchist content creator.
Speaker 3: Magpie's fucking slow ass wi Fi.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like Honestly, most of the stuff is pretty material.
Speaker 2: It was like the beginning of this when we first
Speaker 2: started recording my wife. I wasn't good enough really to
Speaker 2: be to be doing the show, and we had to
Speaker 2: you know, get the better internet. And it's stuff like
Speaker 2: that for me mostly. I actually, if I was younger,
Speaker 2: I would probably not want to live like I currently do.
Speaker 2: But honestly, I mostly want to hang out with my
Speaker 2: dog and work on stuff. Yeah, and this allows me
Speaker 2: to afford to be able to do it. I would
Speaker 2: be probably just as happy if I somehow had enough
Speaker 2: space in the city to be like left alone. That's
Speaker 2: not really true. I like trees more than I like
Speaker 2: access to coffee shops. Both are great. Somehow we need
Speaker 2: to create societies that have both. But you know, I
Speaker 2: find it's all right. Different rural areas with different amounts
Speaker 2: of community, you're going to be different amounts of open
Speaker 2: about who you are. And sometimes that's a struggle, right.
Speaker 2: I try to be very direct and open about who
Speaker 2: I am, but sometimes I just don't feel like dealing
Speaker 2: with it. You know, I'm already where I live. I'm
Speaker 2: the only person wearing a mask at Walmart, you know.
Speaker 2: And also that's the only, well not the only grocery store,
Speaker 2: but it's more or less. You know. Those are the downsides.
Speaker 2: The upside is I can sit on my porch and
Speaker 2: see nothing but trees and birds and deer, and I
Speaker 2: have found that we were talking, you were talking earlier
Speaker 2: about you know how everyone's so anxious right now. My
Speaker 2: anxiety just got so much better when I started living early. Also,
Speaker 2: every now and then people from cities call to tell
Speaker 2: me about all the latest gossip and infighting where they live,
Speaker 2: and I'm just like, I really appreciate this favor you're
Speaker 2: doing and reminding me why I don't live there.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 2: So uh, it's not for everyone, works for me.
Speaker 1: What piece of music do you think it feels like
Speaker 1: it was made for you?
Speaker 2: Okay? I have two answers to that. One is an
Speaker 2: Irish band called Lancam. I think they used to be
Speaker 2: like punks and now well they're probably still punks, but
Speaker 2: now they play very doom and gloom, traditional Irish music
Speaker 2: and more folk music, and Lankam is amazing, and some
Speaker 2: of it just feels like, yeah, it was just designed
Speaker 2: for me. And then the other I would say is
Speaker 2: a band called Bowl of apist bowl of bronze that
Speaker 2: is made by other queer weirdo musicians, and it's black metal,
Speaker 2: and it's I think that I would think you would
Speaker 2: be ritual atmospheric black metal. I think might be the
Speaker 2: proper terminology for it. Yeah, and it's it just feels
Speaker 2: it goes made for me, What about you?
Speaker 1: I was gonna make a joke that it was like
Speaker 1: let the Dogs Out by Vaja Me.
Speaker 2: I know, I actually sometimes feel like kind of bad
Speaker 2: about how like over the top with my like esoteric
Speaker 2: music taste. I am. Yeah, like I do enjoy a
Speaker 2: pop song here and there and stuff, right, but it's like,
Speaker 2: but it doesn't feel made for me, and like, and
Speaker 2: I also just don't know it, you know.
Speaker 1: At Anderson's eighth Adoption party, eightier Adoption of Birgary party,
Speaker 1: I play who Let the Dogs Out on a loop
Speaker 1: for like four hours and like, it's such great background music.
Speaker 1: I have to be honest, none of us hated the
Speaker 1: song by the end of the night. All my friends
Speaker 1: that came to celebrate Anderson, so shout out shout out
Speaker 1: to them.
Speaker 3: But my real answer would probably.
Speaker 1: Be, uh, I really, I really love listening to Kendrick
Speaker 1: Lamar because he talks about my hometown in depth, and
Speaker 1: like his references, it just feels like it feels so nostalgic.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, let's go to another break.
Speaker 1: What we hear from Magpie's Favorite.
Speaker 3: And we're back.
Speaker 2: God, I love our advertisers. They pay for my dog's food.
Speaker 1: Oh that was a question that I forgot to ask
Speaker 1: from the Instagram. I'm wan to bring in somebody wanted
Speaker 1: to know, like your favorite dog product that you that
Speaker 1: you got for Renshaw and my favorite dog product that
Speaker 1: I that I've bought right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have this thing that looks like a soccer balls,
Speaker 2: the size of a soccer ball, but it's like kind
Speaker 2: of a herder plastic.
Speaker 3: Oh do you have a hurting ball?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh my god, those are great. James talks about
Speaker 3: that all the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Rinchell doesn't totally hurt it, but he plays
Speaker 2: catch with it more than anything else, because anything smaller
Speaker 2: than that he thinks. It's like, hooray, I got the thing,
Speaker 2: Now I kill it. Now I'm done. Why aren't you?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 2: He doesn't bring the thing back to me to throw
Speaker 2: again very consistently, but this ball he really struggles to
Speaker 2: pick it up. Yeah, and then he does, and then
Speaker 2: he runs up really excited and then provides it to
Speaker 2: me again. And so that one's working really well for
Speaker 2: me right now. And then I don't know, he looks
Speaker 2: real cute in his harness, and he does. He wears
Speaker 2: it all the time. He actually gets mad at me.
Speaker 2: I take it off at night, and he gets kind
Speaker 2: of mad at me every time I take it off
Speaker 2: because it's the thing that goes on him to allow
Speaker 2: him to go outside. I think, So, yeah, what about.
Speaker 1: You, I gotta I got a couple of things I
Speaker 1: can shout out those like slow feeder bulls, amazing, amazing
Speaker 1: because my two dogs. And if you didn't know, I
Speaker 1: got a second. If you if you don't follow me
Speaker 1: or like don't listen to other things, I got a
Speaker 1: second dog. Her name's Truman. And so now eating time
Speaker 1: is a competition. And Anderson if she eats too fast,
Speaker 1: immediately will throw up. And Truman, if she eats too fast,
Speaker 1: it's just there's no chewing. And so I got these
Speaker 1: inserts that go in their stainless steel bulls.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's gonna be easy to feed them drugs.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, no, no, no, for sure, you're you're not wrong.
Speaker 1: I got these two inserts that go in each o
Speaker 1: their bowls that help with uh.
Speaker 2: Just slowing down the paces and slowing.
Speaker 3: Down the food. And that's great.
Speaker 1: The other thing is like, not all dogs are made equally,
Speaker 1: like they're they all have different preferences and things work out,
Speaker 1: and so so for both my dogs, it was what
Speaker 1: it was. For Anderson, it took like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: five different harnesses before I found one that was like
Speaker 1: really great for Anderson. Anderson's like fucking like if Houdini
Speaker 1: wasn't a fraud, Like was like houdiniing out of her
Speaker 1: harness like no other. She was an escape artist. And
Speaker 1: I finally found a really great harness for her. That's
Speaker 1: the uh two Hounds Freedom No Pole harness, and that's
Speaker 1: really great, Oka Truman. Uh, I'm on harness three right now.
Speaker 3: And then this one's really like one a week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I've had her for like, yeah, this
Speaker 1: is you're right, this is literally one a week I've
Speaker 1: had and it's because she had never like she was
Speaker 1: never been walked before me. She was you know, and
Speaker 1: only time she ever, I was telling mag the only
Speaker 1: time Truman ever was put on Alicia's but she was
Speaker 1: being given away, so like Leish is very scary to her,
Speaker 1: and so harness chew toy not great and so and
Speaker 1: so I tried a couple different harnesses and I finally
Speaker 1: found one that's really great. And it's the rough where
Speaker 1: front and rage reflective front clip dog harness and yeah,
Speaker 1: so so harnesses are not built built equally. Also, just
Speaker 1: like shout out to all those toys where you can
Speaker 1: put a treat in.
Speaker 3: And it keeps them busy.
Speaker 2: I remembered another thing when we were talking about the feeders.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: For like a year, there was this dog feeder that
Speaker 2: was being advertised me on Instagram. Yeah and I and
Speaker 2: it's very beautiful. It looks like a mid century modern
Speaker 2: piece of furniture and I pull a lever and it
Speaker 2: provides the dog food.
Speaker 3: Oh, I've seen it. I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. For a year I resisted because it's not
Speaker 2: a cheap thing. No, and did you buy it?
Speaker 3: Did you fucking buy it?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I bought it. I love it, Oh my god.
Speaker 2: And it's it's funny because it's like it wasn't a
Speaker 2: hard thing to like go over and pick up the
Speaker 2: dog food bag and scoop out three scoops of kibble
Speaker 2: into a bowl every day. That wasn't like some suffering
Speaker 2: in my life, right, But now I just like walk
Speaker 2: over and pull the lever because my dog free feeds
Speaker 2: because he's it's just not very food motivated.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Anderson was a grazer before she got a sibling.
Speaker 2: I have a feeling the same thing would happen. I
Speaker 2: think if I got Rentraw a sibling, I would have
Speaker 2: to feed him on a schedule. But anyway, I like it,
Speaker 2: so I'm so happy for you. It's a pretty high
Speaker 2: quality if you're going to advertise them on Instagram. If
Speaker 2: you're the advertiser of this and you want me, he
Speaker 2: should send me one. Yeah, I already have one, but
Speaker 2: I don't know why. Zeriously he would soothe my ego.
Speaker 2: I guess the other thing.
Speaker 1: That's been coverly in Handy is the lick Matt. The
Speaker 1: lick Matt is a great concept. Oh, Truman really likes
Speaker 1: the lick Mat. I tried to give Anderson one and
Speaker 1: she's like, I'm not a baby, which I thought was
Speaker 1: really funny that Anderson was like, I'm too dignified for
Speaker 1: a lick mat but this like thing, it's very good
Speaker 1: for self soothing and it like helps them like calm
Speaker 1: down and just rub a bunch of peanut butter on
Speaker 1: a lick Matt and Truman's just happy for like twenty minutes.
Speaker 3: It's great.
Speaker 2: This question asker must have known, being like those people
Speaker 2: can talk about their dons.
Speaker 1: That person was like Low's bitches got answered.
Speaker 2: I literally almost said those bitches, Yeah, I know. I
Speaker 2: read it in your eyes.
Speaker 1: And like they're not wrong, Like I probably have like
Speaker 1: seven more things I could list out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Renchaw is very confused right now because I'm
Speaker 2: standing instead of sitting, and you're he's he's a podcast dog,
Speaker 2: and so he knows that when I'm in the podcast closet,
Speaker 2: he just curls up at my feet and has to
Speaker 2: be quiet. But he's he's trying to figure out what
Speaker 2: it means when I'm standing. But he's finally succeeded and
Speaker 2: now he's laying at my feet.
Speaker 3: Oh, underrated product.
Speaker 1: My best friend Robin set like dog blankets, like blankets
Speaker 1: that like dog like inexpensive blankets that you could put
Speaker 1: on things for your dog that'll make your dog feel cozy.
Speaker 1: What a great concept. Well done, blanket Land. Good back
Speaker 1: to not that question. Uh huh fuck Mary, kill doctor Phil,
Speaker 1: doctor Oz Oprah.
Speaker 2: Uh. I don't like any of them at all.
Speaker 3: I know they're all horrible.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: You gotta fuck Oprah because you can't give anything that
Speaker 1: good to a man.
Speaker 2: I know. But I can also see Mary and Oprah
Speaker 2: because she gives cars to people. I mean, she's evil,
Speaker 2: but she seems like accidentally evil. She's evil, I don't know.
Speaker 1: After the d after experiencing her at the DNC, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: fucking Oprah. Robert's actually writing an Oprah series for Behind
Speaker 1: the Bastards, all right, Well.
Speaker 2: Before that comes out, I'm gonna pick Mary Oprah because yeah,
Speaker 2: she uh, she seems to be doing bad from not
Speaker 2: an evil in her heart. Is it cares to me
Speaker 2: killing both the other two?
Speaker 3: That's the answer. It's kill and kill.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Mary Oprah, steel all our money, kill the other two.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Then then to get divorced, marry her, yeah, file
Speaker 2: her divorce proceedings.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: What are your what's your favorite color?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: Probably the lavender.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, good answer.
Speaker 2: It's not what color I wear. I when I wear
Speaker 2: anything besides black, which is rare. I wear olive or
Speaker 2: I wear wine red.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but my favorite color is yellow.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, that's a good question. What kind of organizing
Speaker 1: efforts can you recommend radicals who are COVID conscious.
Speaker 2: I think that there's a lot of stuff that can
Speaker 2: happen remote. I think that a lot of organizing is
Speaker 2: like phone tree type stuff. I think that it's a
Speaker 2: little bit hard because sometimes in person meetings are a
Speaker 2: really good way to be able to do some of
Speaker 2: the more remote work. Like people probably don't say phone
Speaker 2: tree anymore, but like phone tree type stuff is a
Speaker 2: really important part of the chain. A lot of organizing
Speaker 2: is just literally it's like project management. You're just being like, hey,
Speaker 2: remember how you said you'd do that thing and how
Speaker 2: you'd come out if you know, like, hey, they're about
Speaker 2: to deport all these people and you said you'd probably
Speaker 2: be interested in trying to do something about that. I'm
Speaker 2: just gonna just check in with you, you know. I think
Speaker 2: that that kind of organizing could easily happen online as
Speaker 2: long as I mean, some of the actual direct action
Speaker 2: needs to happen in person. But there's also a difference
Speaker 2: between COVID conscious and like, you know, there's people who
Speaker 2: are like I would consider myself COVID conscious, I wear
Speaker 2: a mask, I you know, sometimes avoid gatherings and things
Speaker 2: like that, right, And then there's people who are like
Speaker 2: for very strong reasons like cannot risk it at all, right,
Speaker 2: in which case you're not necessarily participating in direct action,
Speaker 2: because jail is not a COVID safe space. But I
Speaker 2: think there's a lot of work that can be done
Speaker 2: sort of behind the scenes and or remotely. I think
Speaker 2: that you might have to do a little bit more
Speaker 2: work to continue to insert yourself because there's a little
Speaker 2: bit of out of sight, out of mind that people
Speaker 2: suffer with. But I think that's part of what you
Speaker 2: would almost be setting yourself up to do, is to
Speaker 2: be the person to make sure that people don't feel
Speaker 2: that way, so that other COVID conscious people don't feel
Speaker 2: left out. And I think that it's hard because a
Speaker 2: lot of those spaces are not going to be places
Speaker 2: people have this sense of immediacy to their action and
Speaker 2: therefore all other concerns fall to the wayside. Like, you know,
Speaker 2: that's part of how shitty men or shitty people end
Speaker 2: up in activist spaces for a long time, right, is
Speaker 2: because they're cutting the trees right now, we don't have
Speaker 2: time to talk about the power dynamics of what's going
Speaker 2: on right you know, And that the same sense of
Speaker 2: immediacy can cause people to not care as much about
Speaker 2: COVID consciousness because they're putting aside risks, even if these
Speaker 2: are people who believe that it's risky, you know. And
Speaker 2: I also think people kind of especially younger activists, get
Speaker 2: kind of excited about the fact that they're taking risks,
Speaker 2: you know, So it's not ideal. That's that's that's what
Speaker 2: occurs to me is behind the scenes type stuff. And
Speaker 2: also probably like working with other you can work with
Speaker 2: other people who are on your same level about that
Speaker 2: kind of thing, but you're not always going to find that,
Speaker 2: so you'd probably have to start something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like making food at your house and then dropping.
Speaker 2: Totally if you're working with like a food nut bombs
Speaker 2: for example. There's a lot of work that involves in
Speaker 2: like procurement, both in I mean literally dumpster diving, but
Speaker 2: also like talking to different stores about when they're going
Speaker 2: to be you know, food that they could be donating. God,
Speaker 2: you know, what we need is we need bookkeepers like
Speaker 2: It's actually funny because like the question earlier about like well,
Speaker 2: what's your role Sophie as a boss, or like how
Speaker 2: does that play into it? It's like we need project
Speaker 2: managers and bookkeepers and administrative stuff so much. And one
Speaker 2: of the problems that we suffer with as a society
Speaker 2: is we've somehow come up with this idea that the
Speaker 2: people who are administering are more important or they have
Speaker 2: more you know, they're like better, they're higher, right in
Speaker 2: like a literal sense, if you're describing a layout of
Speaker 2: a thing, they might be a higher level, but not
Speaker 2: morally or something like that, right, And so we're so
Speaker 2: used to associating those that we start being like, oh,
Speaker 2: and therefore we don't need managerial help, Like no, there's
Speaker 2: a reason that people build structures the way we do.
Speaker 2: Like not every building we build is flat, right, you know.
Speaker 1: Goes back to like I used to ask when I
Speaker 1: would do like job interview type stuff, and sometimes I
Speaker 1: just ask this question of people.
Speaker 3: It's like what part of the pencil are you and why?
Speaker 3: Like you still you need all those parts of the
Speaker 3: pencil to work. You need you need the wood, the lead, the.
Speaker 1: Metal, class, the eraser, you need all those different things totally.
Speaker 2: Oh that's interesting because then it's like in podcasting, it's
Speaker 2: like I'm the lead, right, Rory's the eraser mm hm
Speaker 2: oh yeah, and then you're the wood.
Speaker 3: I'm the wood in the middle class.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true and therefore morally better. See that's the
Speaker 2: problem is, but no one actually thinks that, right, Like,
Speaker 2: you know, like at the end of the day, people
Speaker 2: don't actually think Like a lot of people get really
Speaker 2: sad when they get promoted, right because they get like, well,
Speaker 2: they're like, well, now I'm promoted higher than doing the
Speaker 2: thing that I'm good at or whatever. But then your case,
Speaker 2: that hasn't happened to you. But I think that just yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know. Administrative stuff, it's yeah, it's great, and
Speaker 2: it's undervalued because we have such negative associations with it.
Speaker 1: Yep, Well that that's going to do it for us.
Speaker 1: Any any last thoughts.
Speaker 2: It's twenty twenty five. It started with really intend Oh
Speaker 2: New Year's Day. By the time it comes out, maybe
Speaker 2: stuff will have happened. But yep, there are two different
Speaker 2: rental truck attacks in the first day of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: Here's one thing I want to flag is a lot
Speaker 1: of people buy or adopt pets around the holidays and
Speaker 1: then by this time they return them. So rescues need
Speaker 1: fosters and volunteers, so pay attention to that. It is
Speaker 1: a very common thing that people buy pets as gifts.
Speaker 1: Pets are not gifts. They are members of your family.
Speaker 1: And if you hit yeah, so that is just one
Speaker 1: thing I want to flag. So if you are able
Speaker 1: to volunteer, foster, or if you're looking to rescue a pet,
Speaker 1: there will be a lot available because pets are better
Speaker 1: than humans.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Anyways, dogs are great, Cats are great, pets are great,
Speaker 3: You're great. We're all great.
Speaker 2: Thanks, hooray. And that's like, you know, I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: it started with the real intense stuff. But like that's
Speaker 2: the thing is that, like I mean when I say
Speaker 2: we've got this, it doesn't mean that everything's gonna work. Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: but like it was never gonna No one was like
Speaker 2: welcome to life. Everything is easy and you're gonna win,
Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, Like we're all just gonna do the
Speaker 2: best we can and we're getting a little better at
Speaker 2: coming together and taking care of each other, and uh
Speaker 2: so we'll do more of that this year.
Speaker 1: Yep, all right, see you next week.
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