1 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media. 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to Cool People. Did Cool Stuff your 3 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:10,159 Speaker 2: weekly reminder that we put out a podcast twice a 4 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 2: week because it's Wednesday, and so this is part two 5 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 2: and it's part two of our twenty twenty five Question 6 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 2: and Answers with Magpie and Sophie. And I'm one of 7 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 2: those two people, Magpie aka Marger Kiljoy and the other 8 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 2: person Sophie, who's my producer. Hi, Sophie, how are you? 9 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 3: I'm doing well, Magpie. 10 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 2: I have all this energy because I'm not entirely certain why. 11 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:34,239 Speaker 2: But also I'm standing while recording, which I cannot do 12 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 2: for like a long one where I'm reading, Oh yeah, 13 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 2: And I think that's why I'm energetic. 14 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 3: You're jazzed woo. 15 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 2: Anyway, Hi Rory. Our audio engineer is Rory. Hi Rory, 16 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 2: and our theme music was written forced by un Woman. 17 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 2: And this group of questions comes from Blue Sky. 18 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what might be a little bit shorter because 19 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: there's less questions from the Blue Sky than there was 20 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: on the Instagram. But we'll go for it and try 21 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: not to pick any of the repetitive ones. Margaret mentions 22 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: about how some of the people sush groups you research 23 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: has become uncool, and maybe it doesn't end up doing 24 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 1: a show about them. Can you name a few of 25 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: them and why you uncooled them. I feel like it's 26 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: just like shitty wife guys. 27 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, or shitty non wife guys. I guess, yeah, 28 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 2: I mean. Often if I am if I'm on like 29 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 2: day three of researching, I'm just doing the episode anyway, 30 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 2: and then I'm just being like, well, it turns out 31 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 2: everyone is at best morally gray, and many people who 32 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 2: are held up as heroes aren't. And so most of 33 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 2: the time I end up doing that. But then there's 34 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 2: like I can't think of any of the top my 35 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 2: head of like the cursory examination. I start being like, oh, 36 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 2: this looks cool, and then I'm like, oh, this isn't cool. 37 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 2: Although I will say the main reason that I have 38 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 2: to put aside topics that I want to cover or 39 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 2: I thought I wanted to cover, as lack of good material, 40 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 2: like if there's only a single source or okay. The 41 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 2: thing I run across the most is that there's always 42 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 2: a huge difference between the I'm a pop historian, I'm 43 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:10,119 Speaker 2: not a historian. I don't do academic work, but there's 44 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 2: still a huge difference between the like quick article cool 45 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 2: cliff notes versions of a cool person in history and 46 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 2: then their actual story, and the degree to which those 47 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 2: are different from each other can sometimes be night and day. 48 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 2: So I go into it being like, oh, I think 49 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 2: this person's cool because I've heard the following things about them, 50 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 2: And then was, you know, really not good to women? 51 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 2: That's like the number one thing. Yeah, that's women. 52 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: The next person says, your D and D episode really 53 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: resonated with me, and I'd love to hear more. What 54 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: are some of your favorite tt RPGs moments and characters, stories, 55 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: any favorite system or setting. 56 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 2: I am pretty basic with what I play. I am 57 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 2: not I don't like learning the new rules of a 58 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 2: new system. I am not a game girl. 59 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: Oh really, you don't like rules, you don't like new systems? 60 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 2: Oh my god? 61 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 4: Wow? 62 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 2: Wait have you seen this? Have you seen this Hard 63 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 2: Times meme or headline or whatever that goes around Instagram 64 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 2: every now and that like anarchists surprisingly strict about rules 65 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 2: for board game? 66 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: Yes, oh my god, yes, oh my god, I haven't 67 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: thought about that in so long. 68 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 3: Yes, I know exactly, Yes, Yes, it says. 69 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 2: The process of like sitting down and learning a new 70 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 2: system is like not really what I enjoy a new world, 71 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 2: a new game, like a new game world to play in. Yes, 72 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 2: but so I'm not one of these people. Like a 73 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 2: lot of people, and I really respect them. There's so 74 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 2: many independent RPGs, and a lot of them are like 75 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 2: really quick to learn and play. I have been playing 76 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 2: Dungeons and Dragons since I was in fourth grade, and 77 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 2: I recently moved to Pathfinder, which was like a split 78 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 2: from Dungeons and Dragons that happened a while ago, and 79 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 2: I didn't even bother going with the split when it happened. 80 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 2: But I've more recently moved on because of well, I 81 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 2: like the system that they created, and also they're just 82 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 2: like I'm not trying to, dude say my opinions about 83 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 2: the relative pros and cons of various places. And I've 84 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 2: also done work for Wizards of the Coast because I 85 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 2: wrote a Magic the Gathering tie in story at one point. Anyway, 86 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 2: I play mostly Pathfinder now, and then I also played 87 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 2: Pan Number City, which is tabletop role playing game that 88 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 2: I helped write that's out now, and those those kind 89 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 2: of keep me busy, Like that's kind of enough for me. 90 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 2: I Okay, One of the other memes that I really 91 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 2: like is there's this or there's idea like the first 92 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 2: Dungeons and Dragons character you make is gonna be like, 93 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 2: I am Sir tharg Man, and I am off to 94 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 2: avenge the death of my three parents or whatever, you know, 95 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 2: something it's not actually super STRAIGHTFORWD because it's three parents, 96 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 2: but you know, a vaguely straightforward thing. And then like 97 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 2: your fifth D and D character is like I am 98 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 2: a goblet being carried by my own magical hand, you know. 99 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 3: Yeah. 100 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 2: And I think these days when I make characters, I'm 101 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 2: usually kind of like, I don't want them to be 102 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 2: like Kit, but I like trying to play characters that 103 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 2: are a bit abnormal. I think the one that I 104 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 2: talk about a lot because I named my dog after 105 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 2: her dog is there was a I played a character 106 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 2: named Marley who was a ranger who lived in the 107 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 2: woods and decided to become a bandit in her like 108 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 2: early fifties, I think, after her husband died and all 109 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 2: of our kids were grown up and out of the 110 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 2: house so it didn't really matter, and so she was 111 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 2: just like, I'm going to become a bandit now, and 112 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:29,919 Speaker 2: so she started her her adventuring life in her fifties. 113 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 2: And it was fun because then like my grown kids 114 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 2: ended up getting woven into the story and I didn't 115 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 2: have control over them because the game master, the dungeon master, 116 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 2: was determining all of that. And yeah, you get a 117 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 2: dog when you're a ranger, and so I picked a 118 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 2: dog named Rentraw. And then like a couple months later, 119 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 2: my friend on the other side of the hill as 120 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 2: me rescued a dog and I was like, your name 121 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 2: is Rentraw. And the first thing he did, real Reintrom 122 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 2: was a I don't know if I've said this on 123 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 2: air before or not. I only have like three stories 124 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 2: and I just told them over and over again. He 125 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 2: ate the character sheet for Rentrom because I put it 126 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 2: on top of his crate and he just like reached 127 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 2: up and ate it. And I was like, well, all right, 128 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 2: you're the real Rentrom. You have defeated the other. 129 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 3: Defeated fake Rentraw. And that's beautiful. 130 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 2: I can't remember have you played before? 131 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 1: M M. 132 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 2: One day, We're gonna. 133 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 3: We're gonna get you, only with you, only with you, Okay. 134 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 2: I'm trying to convince. I'm trying to convince enough people 135 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 2: to put enough pressure that we can we can do 136 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 2: at least a couple more episodes of live play with 137 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 2: cool Zone people. I've done a couple before, but it'd 138 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 2: be fun to get Sophian as. 139 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 1: A player only for you. The next question, the first 140 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: person's username on Blue Sky is troll Beard really really 141 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: enjoy that handle? They have two questions. The first one 142 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: is for me, Hi, says Sophie. How do you make 143 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 1: it work to be the boss of some folks who 144 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 1: are not only your friends but also friends who want 145 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: to end the concept of bosses. 146 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:04,159 Speaker 3: It's a great question. 147 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: Great question you can tell me if you a group 148 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: is answer Magpie. Okay, anything super impleasant about the job 149 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: I don't inflict on my colleagues one. Two, everybody knows 150 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: their role. 151 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 2: Three. 152 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: Only hire people that really want to do the job 153 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: you're giving them. 154 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense. 155 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: And the hardest part about it is like going back 156 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: and forth between the friend and boss boundary. 157 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 3: Sometimes that's challenging. 158 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, not so often with with our group, because everybody 159 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: is pretty good at handling their own shit and getting 160 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: their jobs done. But yeah, also, I don't really There's 161 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: lots of jokes that I'm the boss, but I don't 162 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: feel like I act very boss like. 163 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 2: And also I mean, just I think it's all right 164 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 2: to say on air, but like, legally you're I'm a freelancer. 165 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 2: Mm hmm, so you're not legally my boss, you know, 166 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 2: but like you're the person who makes things happen. You're 167 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 2: the person who I mean, you're the producer. You you 168 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 2: get everything together or you bottom line it. And actually, yeah, 169 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 2: I think one of the things that you do that 170 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 2: is the most important and actually I think is a 171 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 2: thing that anyone in any position of responsibility should see themselves, 172 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 2: because you have a lot of the responsibility and the 173 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 2: buck sort of stops with you. With Cool Zone Media, 174 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 2: to my understanding, is that interfacing with the larger network, 175 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 2: you are what allows us to have a less corporatized 176 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 2: experience while working for a corporate media platform. Yeah, because 177 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 2: you are able to sort of shield and kind of 178 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 2: create a little force field in which we can be 179 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 2: a little bit more more free. So yes, but I 180 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 2: don't know. 181 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 3: Yes. 182 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: The second question from troll Beard is, Margaret, what's your 183 00:08:57,840 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: stance on the Blue Wizards? 184 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 3: Do we like that? What do you think is their deal? 185 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 3: Are they hot? 186 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna out myself in a terrible way right now. 187 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:11,079 Speaker 2: I have never read the Similarian. I watched Laura the 188 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 2: Rings a lot, and I have read Lord of the 189 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 2: Rings multiple times, and I read the Hobbit obsessively as 190 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:20,319 Speaker 2: a kid. And Lord of the Rings like really heavily 191 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:24,839 Speaker 2: influences a lot of stuff about like who I It's 192 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 2: a very influential book to me. But I don't know 193 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 2: the lore very well. And I got outed recently on 194 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 2: my other podcast, Live Like the World Has Died because 195 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 2: my co host Inman does know the lore really well, 196 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 2: and I misnamed Gandalf's sword. I called it like glam Driel, 197 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 2: which is like Galadriel meets glam Dring obviously, right, And 198 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 2: I had to get called out for not knowing the 199 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 2: name of the sword, which is to say, I don't 200 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 2: know much about the Blue Wizards, and I'm I'm I'm 201 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 2: sorry to say, and so I don't know they're hot. 202 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 3: Probably I'm assuming they're hot. 203 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, like all of the existing wizards 204 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 2: that we know a little bit more about clearly have 205 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 2: something going on that has a certain certain charm. If 206 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:13,959 Speaker 2: you're if you're into an old bearded man and you're 207 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 2: not into Gandalf or like even Sarahman has his fucking moments, 208 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 2: you know. And but rad Agast, obviously lives among the animals, 209 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:26,439 Speaker 2: is clearly the most that's like husband material, certainly of 210 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 2: the three of them. 211 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: We're gonna go to a quick break to hear from 212 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: somebody Murgert can't stop talking about. 213 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 2: I know, I'm always raving about things and stuff. 214 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 3: And we're back. 215 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: I am unsure if you I don't have an answer 216 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: to this, and you, I'm not sure if you'll have 217 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: an answer to this. But I want to read this 218 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: question and if people listening have an answer to it, 219 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: can they comment back to this person on Lucy They said, 220 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: I moved to Boston recently and I'm looking to get 221 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: involved with some mutual aid groups in Boston. I know 222 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: about warm Up Boston, but are there any other good 223 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,319 Speaker 1: groups like that in the area you can suggest I 224 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: don't know much about I don't know Boston area, but 225 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 1: I wanted to flag that, so if people that do know, 226 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: can they get back to this person. It's on our 227 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: blue Sky thread. 228 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 2: And also I just want to say, like there's a question. 229 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 2: I get a lot in direct messages of various kinds 230 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 2: is like, Hey, I just moved to this place, how 231 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 2: do I get involved with stuff? Or I've lived here 232 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 2: my whole life? How do I get involved with stuff? 233 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:37,359 Speaker 2: And that is unfortunately one of the biggest questions in activism, 234 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 2: because a lot of the people who are aggressively recruiting 235 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 2: are looking to incorporate you into some sort of It's 236 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 2: not always the best, right, but there are also groups 237 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 2: that are desperately looking for help. If you can't find something, 238 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 2: you should start something. But it is worth looking around 239 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 2: to try and find out what's necessary where you live. 240 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 2: And I would mostly say to anyone who's listening to this, 241 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 2: who is in one of these groups, this is where 242 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 2: overall we are lacking, is making ourselves visible to and 243 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 2: available to people who want to become involved. We have 244 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 2: this problem with cliquishness, We have this problem with becoming 245 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:24,439 Speaker 2: so afraid of the state infiltrating us that we become paralyzed. 246 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 2: But a mutual aid group is a really good example 247 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 2: of the kind of group that can usually be fairly open. Honestly, 248 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 2: if it's not on some level open, is it really 249 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 2: a mutual aid group or is it just a charity? 250 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 2: If you can't join it. You know, I don't know 251 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 2: if I'm going to hold by that as an absolute 252 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 2: statement later, but what I would say is there are 253 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 2: so many people like this question asker where you live, 254 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 2: who are trying to figure out how to get involved, 255 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 2: and if you're doing good work, one more part of 256 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 2: that good work you have to do is learning how 257 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 2: to integrate new people. One of the best things I've 258 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 2: ever seen is having a point person who sits with 259 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 2: and talks with anyone knew who's at a meeting. You know, like, 260 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,359 Speaker 2: you may or may not want to just totally advertise. 261 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 2: You might still want to stay word of mouth. That's fine, 262 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 2: but onboarding is absolutely where we are lacking, and then 263 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 2: other people who don't always have the best intentions are 264 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 2: picking up that slack. 265 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:28,319 Speaker 1: Next question is they say, as a queer content creator 266 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 1: who's getting fed up with society, how hard is it 267 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 1: to be an anarchist content creator in the middle of nowhere? 268 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:35,599 Speaker 1: What are the challenges and benefits? 269 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 3: I like that if the. 270 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 2: Question is about like being challenges and benefits of being 271 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 2: in the middle of nowhere as a queer anarchist content creator. 272 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 3: Magpie's fucking slow ass wi Fi. 273 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, like Honestly, most of the stuff is pretty material. 274 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 2: It was like the beginning of this when we first 275 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 2: started recording my wife. I wasn't good enough really to 276 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 2: be to be doing the show, and we had to 277 00:13:56,360 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 2: you know, get the better internet. And it's stuff like 278 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 2: that for me mostly. I actually, if I was younger, 279 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 2: I would probably not want to live like I currently do. 280 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 2: But honestly, I mostly want to hang out with my 281 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 2: dog and work on stuff. Yeah, and this allows me 282 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 2: to afford to be able to do it. I would 283 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 2: be probably just as happy if I somehow had enough 284 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 2: space in the city to be like left alone. That's 285 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 2: not really true. I like trees more than I like 286 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 2: access to coffee shops. Both are great. Somehow we need 287 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 2: to create societies that have both. But you know, I 288 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 2: find it's all right. Different rural areas with different amounts 289 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 2: of community, you're going to be different amounts of open 290 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 2: about who you are. And sometimes that's a struggle, right. 291 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 2: I try to be very direct and open about who 292 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 2: I am, but sometimes I just don't feel like dealing 293 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 2: with it. You know, I'm already where I live. I'm 294 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 2: the only person wearing a mask at Walmart, you know. 295 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 2: And also that's the only, well not the only grocery store, 296 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 2: but it's more or less. You know. Those are the downsides. 297 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 2: The upside is I can sit on my porch and 298 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 2: see nothing but trees and birds and deer, and I 299 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 2: have found that we were talking, you were talking earlier 300 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 2: about you know how everyone's so anxious right now. My 301 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 2: anxiety just got so much better when I started living early. Also, 302 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 2: every now and then people from cities call to tell 303 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 2: me about all the latest gossip and infighting where they live, 304 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 2: and I'm just like, I really appreciate this favor you're 305 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 2: doing and reminding me why I don't live there. 306 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 4: Yep. 307 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 2: So uh, it's not for everyone, works for me. 308 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: What piece of music do you think it feels like 309 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: it was made for you? 310 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 2: Okay? I have two answers to that. One is an 311 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 2: Irish band called Lancam. I think they used to be 312 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 2: like punks and now well they're probably still punks, but 313 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 2: now they play very doom and gloom, traditional Irish music 314 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 2: and more folk music, and Lankam is amazing, and some 315 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 2: of it just feels like, yeah, it was just designed 316 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 2: for me. And then the other I would say is 317 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 2: a band called Bowl of apist bowl of bronze that 318 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 2: is made by other queer weirdo musicians, and it's black metal, 319 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 2: and it's I think that I would think you would 320 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 2: be ritual atmospheric black metal. I think might be the 321 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 2: proper terminology for it. Yeah, and it's it just feels 322 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 2: it goes made for me, What about you? 323 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: I was gonna make a joke that it was like 324 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: let the Dogs Out by Vaja Me. 325 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 2: I know, I actually sometimes feel like kind of bad 326 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 2: about how like over the top with my like esoteric 327 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 2: music taste. I am. Yeah, like I do enjoy a 328 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 2: pop song here and there and stuff, right, but it's like, 329 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 2: but it doesn't feel made for me, and like, and 330 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 2: I also just don't know it, you know. 331 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: At Anderson's eighth Adoption party, eightier Adoption of Birgary party, 332 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: I play who Let the Dogs Out on a loop 333 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: for like four hours and like, it's such great background music. 334 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 1: I have to be honest, none of us hated the 335 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 1: song by the end of the night. All my friends 336 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 1: that came to celebrate Anderson, so shout out shout out 337 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 1: to them. 338 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 3: But my real answer would probably. 339 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 1: Be, uh, I really, I really love listening to Kendrick 340 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: Lamar because he talks about my hometown in depth, and 341 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: like his references, it just feels like it feels so nostalgic. 342 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, let's go to another break. 343 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: What we hear from Magpie's Favorite. 344 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 3: And we're back. 345 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 2: God, I love our advertisers. They pay for my dog's food. 346 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 1: Oh that was a question that I forgot to ask 347 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: from the Instagram. I'm wan to bring in somebody wanted 348 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: to know, like your favorite dog product that you that 349 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: you got for Renshaw and my favorite dog product that 350 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: I that I've bought right now. 351 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, I have this thing that looks like a soccer balls, 352 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:07,399 Speaker 2: the size of a soccer ball, but it's like kind 353 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 2: of a herder plastic. 354 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 3: Oh do you have a hurting ball? 355 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 2: Yeah? 356 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh my god, those are great. James talks about 357 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 3: that all the time. 358 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, and Rinchell doesn't totally hurt it, but he plays 359 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 2: catch with it more than anything else, because anything smaller 360 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 2: than that he thinks. It's like, hooray, I got the thing, 361 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 2: Now I kill it. Now I'm done. Why aren't you? 362 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 4: You know? 363 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 2: He doesn't bring the thing back to me to throw 364 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 2: again very consistently, but this ball he really struggles to 365 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 2: pick it up. Yeah, and then he does, and then 366 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:40,199 Speaker 2: he runs up really excited and then provides it to 367 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 2: me again. And so that one's working really well for 368 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 2: me right now. And then I don't know, he looks 369 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 2: real cute in his harness, and he does. He wears 370 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 2: it all the time. He actually gets mad at me. 371 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 2: I take it off at night, and he gets kind 372 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 2: of mad at me every time I take it off 373 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 2: because it's the thing that goes on him to allow 374 00:18:56,520 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 2: him to go outside. I think, So, yeah, what about. 375 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:04,199 Speaker 1: You, I gotta I got a couple of things I 376 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 1: can shout out those like slow feeder bulls, amazing, amazing 377 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: because my two dogs. And if you didn't know, I 378 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 1: got a second. If you if you don't follow me 379 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:17,439 Speaker 1: or like don't listen to other things, I got a 380 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 1: second dog. Her name's Truman. And so now eating time 381 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: is a competition. And Anderson if she eats too fast, 382 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: immediately will throw up. And Truman, if she eats too fast, 383 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 1: it's just there's no chewing. And so I got these 384 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 1: inserts that go in their stainless steel bulls. 385 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 2: Oh, it's gonna be easy to feed them drugs. 386 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 3: Go ahead, no, no, no, for sure, you're you're not wrong. 387 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 1: I got these two inserts that go in each o 388 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: their bowls that help with uh. 389 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 2: Just slowing down the paces and slowing. 390 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 3: Down the food. And that's great. 391 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: The other thing is like, not all dogs are made equally, 392 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: like they're they all have different preferences and things work out, 393 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 1: and so so for both my dogs, it was what 394 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: it was. For Anderson, it took like, I don't know, 395 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: five different harnesses before I found one that was like 396 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 1: really great for Anderson. Anderson's like fucking like if Houdini 397 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: wasn't a fraud, Like was like houdiniing out of her 398 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:20,719 Speaker 1: harness like no other. She was an escape artist. And 399 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 1: I finally found a really great harness for her. That's 400 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: the uh two Hounds Freedom No Pole harness, and that's 401 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:33,640 Speaker 1: really great, Oka Truman. Uh, I'm on harness three right now. 402 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 3: And then this one's really like one a week. 403 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I've had her for like, yeah, this 404 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: is you're right, this is literally one a week I've 405 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: had and it's because she had never like she was 406 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 1: never been walked before me. She was you know, and 407 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 1: only time she ever, I was telling mag the only 408 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: time Truman ever was put on Alicia's but she was 409 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: being given away, so like Leish is very scary to her, 410 00:20:55,600 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: and so harness chew toy not great and so and 411 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 1: so I tried a couple different harnesses and I finally 412 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,360 Speaker 1: found one that's really great. And it's the rough where 413 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: front and rage reflective front clip dog harness and yeah, 414 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: so so harnesses are not built built equally. Also, just 415 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 1: like shout out to all those toys where you can 416 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:18,160 Speaker 1: put a treat in. 417 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 3: And it keeps them busy. 418 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 2: I remembered another thing when we were talking about the feeders. 419 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. 420 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 2: For like a year, there was this dog feeder that 421 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 2: was being advertised me on Instagram. Yeah and I and 422 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 2: it's very beautiful. It looks like a mid century modern 423 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 2: piece of furniture and I pull a lever and it 424 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 2: provides the dog food. 425 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 3: Oh, I've seen it. I know what you're talking about. 426 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. For a year I resisted because it's not 427 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,959 Speaker 2: a cheap thing. No, and did you buy it? 428 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 3: Did you fucking buy it? 429 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 2: Yeah? I bought it. I love it, Oh my god. 430 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 2: And it's it's funny because it's like it wasn't a 431 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 2: hard thing to like go over and pick up the 432 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,719 Speaker 2: dog food bag and scoop out three scoops of kibble 433 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 2: into a bowl every day. That wasn't like some suffering 434 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:09,120 Speaker 2: in my life, right, But now I just like walk 435 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 2: over and pull the lever because my dog free feeds 436 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 2: because he's it's just not very food motivated. 437 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, Anderson was a grazer before she got a sibling. 438 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 2: I have a feeling the same thing would happen. I 439 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 2: think if I got Rentraw a sibling, I would have 440 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 2: to feed him on a schedule. But anyway, I like it, 441 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 2: so I'm so happy for you. It's a pretty high 442 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 2: quality if you're going to advertise them on Instagram. If 443 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 2: you're the advertiser of this and you want me, he 444 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 2: should send me one. Yeah, I already have one, but 445 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 2: I don't know why. Zeriously he would soothe my ego. 446 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 2: I guess the other thing. 447 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,959 Speaker 1: That's been coverly in Handy is the lick Matt. The 448 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: lick Matt is a great concept. Oh, Truman really likes 449 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: the lick Mat. I tried to give Anderson one and 450 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 1: she's like, I'm not a baby, which I thought was 451 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: really funny that Anderson was like, I'm too dignified for 452 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 1: a lick mat but this like thing, it's very good 453 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: for self soothing and it like helps them like calm 454 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 1: down and just rub a bunch of peanut butter on 455 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 1: a lick Matt and Truman's just happy for like twenty minutes. 456 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 3: It's great. 457 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 2: This question asker must have known, being like those people 458 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 2: can talk about their dons. 459 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 1: That person was like Low's bitches got answered. 460 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 2: I literally almost said those bitches, Yeah, I know. I 461 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 2: read it in your eyes. 462 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: And like they're not wrong, Like I probably have like 463 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: seven more things I could list out. 464 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Renchaw is very confused right now because I'm 465 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 2: standing instead of sitting, and you're he's he's a podcast dog, 466 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 2: and so he knows that when I'm in the podcast closet, 467 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:42,439 Speaker 2: he just curls up at my feet and has to 468 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,919 Speaker 2: be quiet. But he's he's trying to figure out what 469 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 2: it means when I'm standing. But he's finally succeeded and 470 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 2: now he's laying at my feet. 471 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 3: Oh, underrated product. 472 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:55,160 Speaker 1: My best friend Robin set like dog blankets, like blankets 473 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: that like dog like inexpensive blankets that you could put 474 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 1: on things for your dog that'll make your dog feel cozy. 475 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: What a great concept. Well done, blanket Land. Good back 476 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 1: to not that question. Uh huh fuck Mary, kill doctor Phil, 477 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 1: doctor Oz Oprah. 478 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 2: Uh. I don't like any of them at all. 479 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 3: I know they're all horrible. 480 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 2: Uh. 481 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: You gotta fuck Oprah because you can't give anything that 482 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: good to a man. 483 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,400 Speaker 2: I know. But I can also see Mary and Oprah 484 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 2: because she gives cars to people. I mean, she's evil, 485 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 2: but she seems like accidentally evil. She's evil, I don't know. 486 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: After the d after experiencing her at the DNC, I'm like, oh, 487 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 1: fucking Oprah. Robert's actually writing an Oprah series for Behind 488 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 1: the Bastards, all right, Well. 489 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:53,399 Speaker 2: Before that comes out, I'm gonna pick Mary Oprah because yeah, 490 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 2: she uh, she seems to be doing bad from not 491 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,399 Speaker 2: an evil in her heart. Is it cares to me 492 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 2: killing both the other two? 493 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 3: That's the answer. It's kill and kill. 494 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, Mary Oprah, steel all our money, kill the other two. 495 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. Then then to get divorced, marry her, yeah, file 496 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 2: her divorce proceedings. 497 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 3: Yeah. 498 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 4: Yeah. 499 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 3: What are your what's your favorite color? 500 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 4: Oh? 501 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 2: Probably the lavender. 502 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, good answer. 503 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 2: It's not what color I wear. I when I wear 504 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 2: anything besides black, which is rare. I wear olive or 505 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,400 Speaker 2: I wear wine red. 506 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, but my favorite color is yellow. 507 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:43,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, that's a good question. What kind of organizing 508 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 1: efforts can you recommend radicals who are COVID conscious. 509 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:53,120 Speaker 2: I think that there's a lot of stuff that can 510 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 2: happen remote. I think that a lot of organizing is 511 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 2: like phone tree type stuff. I think that it's a 512 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 2: little bit hard because sometimes in person meetings are a 513 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 2: really good way to be able to do some of 514 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 2: the more remote work. Like people probably don't say phone 515 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,159 Speaker 2: tree anymore, but like phone tree type stuff is a 516 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 2: really important part of the chain. A lot of organizing 517 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 2: is just literally it's like project management. You're just being like, hey, 518 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 2: remember how you said you'd do that thing and how 519 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 2: you'd come out if you know, like, hey, they're about 520 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 2: to deport all these people and you said you'd probably 521 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 2: be interested in trying to do something about that. I'm 522 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 2: just gonna just check in with you, you know. I think 523 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 2: that that kind of organizing could easily happen online as 524 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 2: long as I mean, some of the actual direct action 525 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,399 Speaker 2: needs to happen in person. But there's also a difference 526 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,400 Speaker 2: between COVID conscious and like, you know, there's people who 527 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 2: are like I would consider myself COVID conscious, I wear 528 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 2: a mask, I you know, sometimes avoid gatherings and things 529 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 2: like that, right, And then there's people who are like 530 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 2: for very strong reasons like cannot risk it at all, right, 531 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 2: in which case you're not necessarily participating in direct action, 532 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 2: because jail is not a COVID safe space. But I 533 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 2: think there's a lot of work that can be done 534 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 2: sort of behind the scenes and or remotely. I think 535 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 2: that you might have to do a little bit more 536 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 2: work to continue to insert yourself because there's a little 537 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 2: bit of out of sight, out of mind that people 538 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,119 Speaker 2: suffer with. But I think that's part of what you 539 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 2: would almost be setting yourself up to do, is to 540 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 2: be the person to make sure that people don't feel 541 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 2: that way, so that other COVID conscious people don't feel 542 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 2: left out. And I think that it's hard because a 543 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,640 Speaker 2: lot of those spaces are not going to be places 544 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,159 Speaker 2: people have this sense of immediacy to their action and 545 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 2: therefore all other concerns fall to the wayside. Like, you know, 546 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,919 Speaker 2: that's part of how shitty men or shitty people end 547 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 2: up in activist spaces for a long time, right, is 548 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,679 Speaker 2: because they're cutting the trees right now, we don't have 549 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,640 Speaker 2: time to talk about the power dynamics of what's going 550 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,159 Speaker 2: on right you know, And that the same sense of 551 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 2: immediacy can cause people to not care as much about 552 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 2: COVID consciousness because they're putting aside risks, even if these 553 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 2: are people who believe that it's risky, you know. And 554 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 2: I also think people kind of especially younger activists, get 555 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 2: kind of excited about the fact that they're taking risks, 556 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 2: you know, So it's not ideal. That's that's that's what 557 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,919 Speaker 2: occurs to me is behind the scenes type stuff. And 558 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 2: also probably like working with other you can work with 559 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 2: other people who are on your same level about that 560 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,959 Speaker 2: kind of thing, but you're not always going to find that, 561 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 2: so you'd probably have to start something. 562 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, and like making food at your house and then dropping. 563 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 2: Totally if you're working with like a food nut bombs 564 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 2: for example. There's a lot of work that involves in 565 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 2: like procurement, both in I mean literally dumpster diving, but 566 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 2: also like talking to different stores about when they're going 567 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 2: to be you know, food that they could be donating. God, 568 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 2: you know, what we need is we need bookkeepers like 569 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 2: It's actually funny because like the question earlier about like well, 570 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 2: what's your role Sophie as a boss, or like how 571 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 2: does that play into it? It's like we need project 572 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 2: managers and bookkeepers and administrative stuff so much. And one 573 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 2: of the problems that we suffer with as a society 574 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 2: is we've somehow come up with this idea that the 575 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 2: people who are administering are more important or they have 576 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,959 Speaker 2: more you know, they're like better, they're higher, right in 577 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 2: like a literal sense, if you're describing a layout of 578 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 2: a thing, they might be a higher level, but not 579 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 2: morally or something like that, right, And so we're so 580 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 2: used to associating those that we start being like, oh, 581 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 2: and therefore we don't need managerial help, Like no, there's 582 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 2: a reason that people build structures the way we do. 583 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 2: Like not every building we build is flat, right, you know. 584 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 1: Goes back to like I used to ask when I 585 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 1: would do like job interview type stuff, and sometimes I 586 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: just ask this question of people. 587 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 3: It's like what part of the pencil are you and why? 588 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 3: Like you still you need all those parts of the 589 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 3: pencil to work. You need you need the wood, the lead, the. 590 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 1: Metal, class, the eraser, you need all those different things totally. 591 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 2: Oh that's interesting because then it's like in podcasting, it's 592 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 2: like I'm the lead, right, Rory's the eraser mm hm 593 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 2: oh yeah, and then you're the wood. 594 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 3: I'm the wood in the middle class. 595 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true and therefore morally better. See that's the 596 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 2: problem is, but no one actually thinks that, right, Like, 597 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 2: you know, like at the end of the day, people 598 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 2: don't actually think Like a lot of people get really 599 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 2: sad when they get promoted, right because they get like, well, 600 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 2: they're like, well, now I'm promoted higher than doing the 601 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 2: thing that I'm good at or whatever. But then your case, 602 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 2: that hasn't happened to you. But I think that just yeah, 603 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 2: I don't know. Administrative stuff, it's yeah, it's great, and 604 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 2: it's undervalued because we have such negative associations with it. 605 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: Yep, Well that that's going to do it for us. 606 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: Any any last thoughts. 607 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 2: It's twenty twenty five. It started with really intend Oh 608 00:30:58,120 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 2: New Year's Day. By the time it comes out, maybe 609 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 2: stuff will have happened. But yep, there are two different 610 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 2: rental truck attacks in the first day of twenty twenty five. 611 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: Here's one thing I want to flag is a lot 612 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 1: of people buy or adopt pets around the holidays and 613 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 1: then by this time they return them. So rescues need 614 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 1: fosters and volunteers, so pay attention to that. It is 615 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: a very common thing that people buy pets as gifts. 616 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: Pets are not gifts. They are members of your family. 617 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 1: And if you hit yeah, so that is just one 618 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 1: thing I want to flag. So if you are able 619 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 1: to volunteer, foster, or if you're looking to rescue a pet, 620 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 1: there will be a lot available because pets are better 621 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: than humans. 622 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 623 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 3: Anyways, dogs are great, Cats are great, pets are great, 624 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 3: You're great. We're all great. 625 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 2: Thanks, hooray. And that's like, you know, I was like, okay, 626 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 2: it started with the real intense stuff. But like that's 627 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 2: the thing is that, like I mean when I say 628 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 2: we've got this, it doesn't mean that everything's gonna work. Yeah, right, 629 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 2: but like it was never gonna No one was like 630 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 2: welcome to life. Everything is easy and you're gonna win, 631 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, Like we're all just gonna do the 632 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 2: best we can and we're getting a little better at 633 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 2: coming together and taking care of each other, and uh 634 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 2: so we'll do more of that this year. 635 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 1: Yep, all right, see you next week. 636 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 4: Bye bye, Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff is a 637 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 4: production of cool Zone Media. 638 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 1: For more podcasts and cool Zone Media, visit our website 639 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 1: coolzonemedia dot com, or check us out on the iHeartRadio app, 640 00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.