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Speaker 1: Welcome to the drive. I'm Dale Lulli. He is the

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Speaker 1: Matt Williamson and Matt. I don't know if you saw

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Speaker 1: this or not, but as we said here on a Wednesday, Happy.

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Speaker 2: Wednesday, Happy Wednesday, to lovely day out there.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so, uh. Steelers president Arntrouney the Second did a

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Speaker 1: sit down interview with Bob Pompyani Oh I didn't okay,

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Speaker 1: and he was asked, you know, would you Essentially what

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Speaker 1: he said is they haven't closed the door. They'll explore

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Speaker 1: every option to try to acquire a quarterback competition. Now

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Speaker 1: people are reading into that, well, that means they're open

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Speaker 1: to trading for Justin Fields.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm sure everyone's jumping on.

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Speaker 1: Of course, you're open to it. You're not going to

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Speaker 1: close any door to any possibility like that. But that

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean likely.

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Speaker 2: No, exactly. Okay, So I'm reacting to it for the

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Speaker 2: first time. But you can just I mean, I can

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Speaker 2: all see how the conversation went went. You know, yeah,

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Speaker 2: we are opening to any idea. Of course you are.

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Speaker 2: I mean, any front office in any scenario should be

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Speaker 2: open to Okay, is it worth trying to get in

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Speaker 2: the top three? If Jayden Daniels gets to five, Is

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Speaker 2: it worth you know, making a move there?

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Speaker 1: You have those conversation, and I keep.

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Speaker 2: Saying, is it worth? Because there's a cost? You know,

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Speaker 2: you know it would be immense? Or have they done

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Speaker 2: enough homework on JJ McCarthy or Pennix or Nix that

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Speaker 2: I'd take him at twenty?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 2: I mean that's a possibility that the answer probably has

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Speaker 2: not been decided yet.

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Speaker 1: Okay, he said, well, you you know, we as we

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Speaker 1: sit here in early February, we're not closing the door

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Speaker 1: on anything. We have a lot of evaluations to go through,

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Speaker 1: and we'll go through all of the options and do

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Speaker 1: what we need to do to be better this coming season.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we're training for Justin Fields. With all respect to

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Speaker 2: mister Rooney, he didn't really tell us a whole lot

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Speaker 2: of information we didn't know.

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Speaker 1: But he is trade a lawyer, right, I mean, it

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Speaker 1: would be very rare for him to paint himself into

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Speaker 2: We are going to go trade for a quarterback. Didn't

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Speaker 2: say anything declarative at all, you know, right.

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Speaker 1: So people are reading into that what they want to

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Speaker 1: read into. Oh, then I see the first round draft

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Speaker 1: pick for Justin fields.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, come on, people, are you is a Justin Fields

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Speaker 2: conversation going to be had in those building? Sure? I

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Speaker 2: would assume it would be. I think it should be

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Speaker 2: in probably fifteen buildings, ten buildings. You know, if you

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Speaker 2: think that he's attainable, especially if you like them coming

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Speaker 2: out of college and you're pro scout. Whoever's been in

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Speaker 2: charge of the Bears for the last what three years,

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Speaker 2: is in favor of the player, you know, and you

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Speaker 2: also have a new offensive coordinator. Maybe the system stresses

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Speaker 2: running more. I mean, he has had running quarterbacks in

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Speaker 2: the past. You certainly then you have a serious conversation

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Speaker 2: if it's if all those boxes are checked, you strongly

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Speaker 2: and call the Bears. I mean there's a lot that

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Speaker 2: happens before you pick up the phone and call the Bears.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to evalue, and then you look at

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Speaker 1: the finances of it. You know, that's all part of

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Speaker 1: you do that, your quarterback room goes from being very

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Speaker 2: Now he's like twenty two million, yes, year, right, but

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Speaker 1: A lot more expensive than maybe what you had planned

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Speaker 2: It's a lot different than you lose it, right, and

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Speaker 2: you're gonna lose a pick. I mean you're going to

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Speaker 2: think it'll be number twenty, but I would still I'd

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Speaker 2: Is it worth it? Is it not? I mean yeah, maybe.

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Speaker 2: You still need to develop him, you still need to

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Speaker 2: as well. Would I be open the idea? Absolutely, And

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Speaker 2: would have been pretty formidable, you know. Yeah, but there's

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Speaker 1: It's an immense cost, and it's a quarterback coming off

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Speaker 1: of an achilles injury at thirty five at eight Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's forty million dollars. Okay, now we can have that conversation.

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Speaker 2: That's step one, yeah, right, a right. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: To do that for a quarterback who you don't even

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Speaker 1: the first six weeks in next year, No, I can't

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Speaker 2: What we do know is I will say there's a

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Speaker 2: ninety nine percent chance they go to Latrobe with four

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Speaker 2: quarterbacks employed right now. The only one I know that's

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Speaker 2: gonna be one of those four is Picket. Well, then

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Speaker 2: you're exploring three other options, right The.

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Speaker 1: Door is open. The doors to acquire those guys in

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Speaker 1: any way possible.

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Speaker 2: Exactly.

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Speaker 1: There's also by reading that statement, you could also say

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Speaker 1: the Steelers are in play to take a quarterback in

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Speaker 1: the first round of the play the draft.

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Speaker 2: Of course, of course, I mean they're going to have

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Speaker 1: Nobody's saying that though, they're also, oh, they're going to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean what you do in a draft room.

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Speaker 2: before draft day, we had quarterback Day. We got in

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Speaker 2: that guy worth the twentieth pick or not, you know,

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Speaker 2: You know, right, and then you have the conversation, Okay,

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Speaker 2: takes one. Whatever. And then you take all the you know,

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Speaker 2: your number four quarterback against your number four running back

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Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you about that since since you

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Speaker 1: where I believe it, Harrison was number one. I think

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Speaker 1: Jade Daniels was the twentieth best prospect, down twenty fourth

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Speaker 2: And I'm sure whoever authored that list would say, I

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Speaker 1: So is there extra weight then placed on that position

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Speaker 2: My experience doesn't help a lot there because I only

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Speaker 2: So originally, what we did, and I think originally, how

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Speaker 2: We've had that area of scout, the position coach, some

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Speaker 2: maybe even somebody else, you know, and everybody's have different

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Speaker 1: You know, well, that's so oftentimes over the years, you know,

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Speaker 2: It's a little different.

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Speaker 1: It's a little different, yeah, but generally you have your guys.

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Speaker 1: You know, however, you have those broken down. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: have similar grades on certain guys, but that's a position

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Speaker 1: we just took the best guy available, nine of the time,

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Speaker 2: You know, it's more like special teams player that could

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Speaker 2: If he plays seventy five ers like then Rogers deal, right,

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Speaker 1: I'm Dale Lolly. He is the Matt Williamson. There's only

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Speaker 1: one and uh well, Matt, yesterday we went over the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that pretty deep.

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Speaker 1: Today we're going to take a look at Jordan Reid's

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Speaker 2: Well that just came out today.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's take a look here. Who he how

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Speaker 2: And again, real quick, quick, folks, back to the conversation

436
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Speaker 2: we had, you know in the show. And I think

437
00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:03,560
Speaker 2: this goes about saying, but there's some new listeners out there,

438
00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:07,120
Speaker 2: some casual folks. These four guys don't do it for

439
00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,400
Speaker 2: a team, right, It's harder to do it just rank

440
00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,480
Speaker 2: who I like best, you know, but boy if I mean,

441
00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:14,600
Speaker 2: and the smart ones will tell you, but man, he

442
00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:16,520
Speaker 2: went to his own blocking scheme that is not a

443
00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:18,280
Speaker 2: fit for him at all. And then you look like

444
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Speaker 2: a bad analyst because you had them ranked.

445
00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:25,640
Speaker 1: High, you know, Uh, Marvin Harrison one, Caleb Williams two,

446
00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:30,119
Speaker 1: Drake May three, Joe All four. Joe All's settling in

447
00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:31,320
Speaker 1: there pretty high as.

448
00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,840
Speaker 2: He sure seems like he's ahead of for Shana, I just.

449
00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,160
Speaker 1: Think he's a off. I mean, you know, the off,

450
00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,359
Speaker 1: the offensive lineman at a Notre Dame. Those guys never

451
00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:40,240
Speaker 1: missed that was.

452
00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:41,960
Speaker 2: In the league. Yeah, I mean, like he's as safe

453
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Speaker 2: as they come. I'm sure his interview will be great.

454
00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,119
Speaker 2: I mean like he's been talking O line since he

455
00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,160
Speaker 2: could crawl. Always Six to seven, you know, right?

456
00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:50,680
Speaker 1: Uh? At five is Jade and Daniels, So he's a

457
00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,200
Speaker 1: little higher on Jayden Daniels and the guys.

458
00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:56,480
Speaker 2: At the forty third team were he's as skinny worries me.

459
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Speaker 2: Six four Yeah, yeah, I wonder what he weighs in

460
00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,720
Speaker 2: at the the combine, but I bet it's heavier than he.

461
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,120
Speaker 1: Might have A might have his pocket four rocks and

462
00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:05,520
Speaker 1: then not run and then.

463
00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,720
Speaker 2: Not run and then LSU Prod eight ran. Yeah.

464
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Speaker 1: Uh. At six is Malik Neighbors, Okay, Yeah, I think

465
00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,520
Speaker 1: that's worthy. Seven is brock Bowers.

466
00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:14,240
Speaker 2: Sure.

467
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:15,960
Speaker 1: I did a mock draft. I did a bunch of

468
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Speaker 1: mock drafts, Lesson, I sent you one of them.

469
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:18,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know you're pretty fired up.

470
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,440
Speaker 1: Brock Bowers fell to me at one point in one

471
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Speaker 1: of the mock drafts that I did, and I'm like,

472
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Speaker 1: I take them. I gave a serious consideration. Yeah, but

473
00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,960
Speaker 1: then I took Jackson Powers shots.

474
00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,920
Speaker 2: Depends there. But yeah, if you told me right now

475
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:36,720
Speaker 2: that he was there at twenty, I'd be pretty happy

476
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:40,080
Speaker 2: about it. Just figure out a weapon. Yeah, along those lines,

477
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,880
Speaker 2: I did a podcast This Morning locked on Dynasty one

478
00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,080
Speaker 2: and there are three of us on there, and the

479
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,639
Speaker 2: question to us was how many tight ends in the

480
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Speaker 2: Dynasty community would you put ahead of Bowers? And one

481
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:53,760
Speaker 2: of the co hosts said, he's number one for me,

482
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:54,800
Speaker 2: I'm like, wow.

483
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,240
Speaker 1: That's pretty rich. Yeah, knowing where he's going to land.

484
00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,000
Speaker 2: I'm still taking Laporta ahead of him. And they mean

485
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:00,480
Speaker 2: a couple of younger Yeah, but I mean he's a

486
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:01,240
Speaker 2: phenomenal talent.

487
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:06,639
Speaker 1: At eight is Roma Dounzia. At nine is Forshanu.

488
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:08,480
Speaker 2: Real quick on Bowers, he might be one of the

489
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,040
Speaker 2: biggest wild cards of where he falls. Yeah, I mean,

490
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,280
Speaker 2: I think he'll be considered at five and then every

491
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,359
Speaker 2: spot after you at least need to kick the tires on.

492
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:19,960
Speaker 1: A right Yeah. For Shanu from Penn State is nine.

493
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,680
Speaker 1: Dallas Turner from Alabama, the edge rusher is ten.

494
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:25,240
Speaker 2: That was the first defensive player.

495
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 1: Then Terry and Arnold the cornerback from Alabama is eleven.

496
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 1: There was one draft for he fell to me.

497
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you jump on that too.

498
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 1: Lay two out of Ucla the edge rusher is twelve

499
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 1: to Lasi Fluaga, the offensive tackle from Moregon State is thirteen.

500
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:42,680
Speaker 1: He fell to me a couple of times.

501
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,440
Speaker 2: Bet, Yeah, that's pretty high. I know DJ has him

502
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,200
Speaker 2: right in that neighborhood. Yeah.

503
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,200
Speaker 1: At fourteen is Versuy, the edge rusher out of Florida State.

504
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,679
Speaker 1: Fifteen is Jerson Newton, the defensive tackle out of Illinois.

505
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 2: I haven't watched much of him.

506
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:57,640
Speaker 1: I mean I haven't either, because he really doesn't fit

507
00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:58,680
Speaker 1: with the Steelers.

508
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 2: He's not going to be in the equation. Yeah, right

509
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 2: at sixteen, I think you want him to go in

510
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:04,399
Speaker 2: the top nineteen though, Yeah, yeah.

511
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 1: Kind of like the quarterbacks. Sixteen is Latham, the offensive

512
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:08,879
Speaker 1: tackle out of Alabama.

513
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got some Mayor time yesterday.

514
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:15,160
Speaker 1: It's seventeen Byron Murphy, the defensive tackle out of Texas.

515
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,920
Speaker 2: He's another one that's super athletic and probably short six

516
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 2: to one, and Steelers don't have those type of guys.

517
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 1: At eighteen Quinny and Mitchell, quarterback out of Toledo.

518
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 2: I'm a fan. I wonder if we're overreacting a little

519
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:31,439
Speaker 2: to the Senior Bowl, but you know, I hear you.

520
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:36,119
Speaker 1: Nineteen player Geiton, the offensive tackle out of Oklahoma Rara Trades.

521
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 1: Twenty is Amarius Mims, the offensive tackle out at Georgia.

522
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 2: Also has rare trades. Was kind of being slept on

523
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 2: a little bit. Twenty Yeah, back to our first segment

524
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:49,120
Speaker 2: of conversation, Mims versus Giton versus Lathan, like there's gonna

525
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,880
Speaker 2: be fights in every room, yeah.

526
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 1: Versus Fuaga A right, they're all right, four right tackles

527
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 1: a little bit them and say, well, maybe Geyiton can

528
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 1: go to the left side because he's got that body.

529
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,239
Speaker 1: These are all conversations that will be had.

530
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 2: I'd love to be a fly on. I mean even

531
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 2: especially in the steeler room. You know, well, does Broderick

532
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 2: going to the left if we take one of these,

533
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 2: probably at least that opportunity.

534
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Speaker 1: Right, twenty one is kool Aid McKinstry cornerback at a corner.

535
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:16,400
Speaker 2: Ones are gonna be battles too.

536
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 1: At twenty two is Troy Fatanu, the guard out of Washington,

537
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 1: And he might be the guy like he was supposed

538
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 1: to go to the Senior Bowl and then backed out

539
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:26,879
Speaker 1: in the last week. I don't know if there was

540
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:28,719
Speaker 1: an at that he might regret that.

541
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't get the impression he's going to be

542
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 2: a record setting tester, you know, like, yeah, Mims.

543
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,199
Speaker 1: And guy but it's done him well to go to

544
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 1: go to the Senior Bowl and show that, hey, I

545
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 1: can still play right tackle or left tackle.

546
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,400
Speaker 2: You know. My hunch is if he went he would

547
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 2: block people. Well, yeah, you know, he does football things

548
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,439
Speaker 2: right well, and that's your last chance to do football stuff.

549
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Speaker 1: Twenty three Keon Coleman, the wide receiver aut of Florida State.

550
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 1: Twenty four is Nate Wiggins, the cornerback out of Clemson.

551
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't have strong feeling on Wiggins versus you know, kool.

552
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:06,479
Speaker 1: Aid, Yes, you know. Twenty five is a Donnie Mitchell,

553
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 1: the wide receiver out of Texas.

554
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,640
Speaker 2: Okay, so those ahead of the LSU guy.

555
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,919
Speaker 1: At twenty six is Jackson Powers Johnson, the center out

556
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: of Oregon, Yep, yep. Twenty seven Cooper dejen the cornerback

557
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 1: right next to right, next to each other.

558
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 2: Nineteen picks go and they're both sitting there for you.

559
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 2: What are you gonna do?

560
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,679
Speaker 1: Twenty eight Darius Robinson, the edge rusher out of Missouri.

561
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 2: That's pretty high.

562
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 1: I did one of my mock dress where he was

563
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 1: available in the second round that I think he took him.

564
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, you just take them at that point, whether he

565
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 2: fits or not or only if he plays on third down.

566
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:39,360
Speaker 1: Think you'll fit?

567
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 2: Who cares? Yeah, just figure it out.

568
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,239
Speaker 1: At twenty nine, Brian Thomas Junior, the wide receiver out

569
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: of LSU. At thirty, JJ McCarthy, the quarterback out of Michigan.

570
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 2: I can see the combine being very good for him

571
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 2: because he's going to be more athletic than Nicks or Pinnix.

572
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 2: And apparently I'm not that those guys don't. But he

573
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 2: interviews great and later are in tough.

574
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 1: And if you're if you're the Steelers, you want McCarthy

575
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: to go ahead of your pick. I assume unless they

576
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 1: like it pushes somebody else down.

577
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 2: I mean, I think that's generally the rule was you

578
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 2: want every quarterback and detackle and running whatever. You're not

579
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 2: right to go unless they love them. I mean, I

580
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 2: think it's not outlandish, but I don't think that'll be

581
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 2: the I don't think they'll pick a quarterback in twenty.

582
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,679
Speaker 1: He he had twenty five or more passing attempts and

583
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 1: only twelve of his twenty eight career starts in college.

584
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 2: His last six games, he only threw for like a

585
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,919
Speaker 2: total of like six hundred yards or something. Crazy. I mean,

586
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 2: it's they just little mind throw the football. Yeah, I

587
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 2: mean I know that Penn State game is the one

588
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,160
Speaker 2: that stood out, but they ran the ball like fifteen

589
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,880
Speaker 2: times in a row, including like on third and sixteen. Yeah,

590
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 2: you know. And he's a good player, you know. And

591
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,239
Speaker 2: one thing he has. Oh I don't know how much

592
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 2: teams will value this anymore with quarterback, but he's noticeably

593
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,640
Speaker 2: younger than Pinnicks and Knicks, Yeah, at least three years.

594
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,120
Speaker 1: At thirty one is Jordan Morgan, the offensive tackle out

595
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 1: of Arizona.

596
00:26:58,520 --> 00:26:59,919
Speaker 2: I need to do more work, but he is not

597
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 2: blow me away.

598
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 1: He didn't stand out to me at the Senia at all.

599
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: Thirty two Chop Robinson, the edge rusher out of Penn State.

600
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 1: Thirty three Braylan Trice, the edge rusher out of Washington.

601
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 2: Much different than Chopps, a lot more like Na Dockway

602
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,360
Speaker 2: and Bendie and little more finesse.

603
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: At thirty four Edgrian Cooper, the linebacker at A Texas

604
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 1: A and M. That's as high as I've seen him.

605
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, DJ had him in his top fifty, but I

606
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 2: don't think that.

607
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: Not At thirty four. Yeah, thirty five of Disa, Isaac

608
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 1: the edge rusher out of Penn State.

609
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 2: It's two of them, like the last five.

610
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: Back, and he had a great week.

611
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 2: He really did.

612
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: Thirty six enis Rakestraw, junior, the cornerback at a Missouri.

613
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 1: That's another guy I think that had he gone to this,

614
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 1: he was supposed to be at the Senior Bowl and

615
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 1: backed out at the last second.

616
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 2: I think his was not because I think he actually

617
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 2: had a surgery.

618
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 1: He had a core of muscle surgery.

619
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, but he could be very much in the

620
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 2: mix of twenty. But we don't know any more about

621
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 2: him than we did a month ago, right.

622
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: You know. Thirty seven is lad Mconkey, the wide receiver

623
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 1: out of Georgia.

624
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, get that.

625
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: Thirty eight Bo Knicks, quarterback of Oregon.

626
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 2: One of the things he is working against him is

627
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 2: he was such a high profile recruit and he was

628
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 2: so bad at Auburn. Some of the evaluators can't get

629
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:10,679
Speaker 2: that out of their mouth. You know, that tastes out

630
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 2: of their mouth.

631
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if the Auburn offense did him any face.

632
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's not a great offense to watch.

633
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 2: This is a mic had conversation and I'd love to

634
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 2: talk to scouts nowadays, because the college game has changed

635
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 2: so dramatically, I think for the worst of the last

636
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 2: five years. I've heard some people think say that they

637
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 2: think it's a positive if a guy like this from

638
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 2: a purely NFL scouting perspective for transfers, because I can

639
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 2: go talk to his Auburn people, I can go talk

640
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 2: to his Oregon people. Yeah, what went wrong here? Why

641
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 2: do he transfer? Oh, he was just turning the corl,

642
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 2: you know, like or boy, he got a lot more

643
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 2: totally different areas of the country, you know, totally different

644
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 2: way of looking at things, like, well he adjusted to

645
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 2: a new surrounding in South Carolina if you're you know,

646
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 2: rattler or he you know whatever, it's like, well, maybe

647
00:28:58,760 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 2: he can adjust the NFL quicker.

648
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: It's just amazing to me out. I mean again, you

649
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: look at the quarterbacks, you know, at the top of

650
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 1: this draft again and they're always again transfers. Everybody's moving

651
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: to different schools, and.

652
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 2: You know, Pennix a six year guy, Nix to six

653
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 2: year guy, you know, like man h.

654
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: Thirty nine, Kingsley Samataia, the offensive tackle to be with, you.

655
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 2: Didn't have a great scenior Bowl, but there's a lot

656
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 2: to work with her.

657
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh forty Jatavian Sanders, the tight end out of Texas.

658
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 2: Won't be for everyone. I mean I always think at

659
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 2: Jamichael Finley for some reason. With him, he's a skinnier, fast, yeah,

660
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 2: down the field type guy.

661
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,959
Speaker 1: Forty one Graham Barton listened him as a center at

662
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: a duke.

663
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 2: Okay, there's a lot of scornsky there too. Yeah.

664
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: I would have liked to have seen him at the scene,

665
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: snap a little bit and see how that looked.

666
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 2: He may have looked as good as Powers Johnson.

667
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: And he was supposed to be there.

668
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was supposed to be there. I mean he

669
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 2: easily could have been. That could have been a battle

670
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 2: of who's better.

671
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, you know forty two Xavier Worthy, the wide

672
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: receiver out.

673
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 2: Of Texas and real quick On Barton. We had a

674
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 2: lot of this conversation yesterday, like, yes, we'd both take

675
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 2: Powers Johnson, but if you know he's a center and

676
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 2: Zach Frasier's a center, it's like, and you'd a good

677
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 2: point too, like I don't want Kendrick Green and settle

678
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 2: for my fifth center. I want the best one. Yeah,

679
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 2: but if all three of those are there instead of two? Well, yeah,

680
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 2: it just there's more options that you'd be really happy with.

681
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, potentially worthy At forty two. That's the wide receiver

682
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: out of Texas.

683
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

684
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: Forty three is Chris Braswell, the edge rusher out of Alabama.

685
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 2: I expect a little more from him. At Senior Bowl,

686
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 2: I thought he was fine, but yeah, I was like, wow,

687
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 2: that looks like a edge first round guy.

688
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: Forty four Kamari Lassiter, the cornerback out of Georgia. He

689
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: seems to be the guy that's really kind of starting

690
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: to slide a little bit a little bit and six

691
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: foot point eighty. Maybe that's one of the reasons lies lean.

692
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

693
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: Forty five Michael Pennix Junior, the quarterback at in Washington.

694
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 2: Okay, I get it. He won't be for everybody.

695
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: Forty six to Andre Sweat, the defensive tackle in a Texas.

696
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 2: Won't be for everybody. Yeah, there'll be people to love him.

697
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: Forty seven Xavier Leget, the wide receiver out of South Carolina.

698
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 2: I'm a fan strongie. Consider him in the second round

699
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 2: with the Steelers.

700
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: Forty eight Cameron Kinchin's the safety out of Miami.

701
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I think he's flirted with.

702
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: No.

703
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 2: The other safety for them has played some. It's playing

704
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 2: linebacker at the Seder Bowl. Two. Yeah, he's six '

705
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 2: five and that he's huge. Yeah.

706
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: Forty nine is Troy Franklin, the wide receiver.

707
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 2: Out of Oregon. Small fast. Do you think the Steelers

708
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 2: if they they're going to acquire a wide receiver draft

709
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 2: or free agency? I bet he's a blocker. I bet

710
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 2: he's got some size.

711
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

712
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 2: I don't think they're going to be in the Troy

713
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 2: Franklin market. Yeah.

714
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: Franklin's six seven.

715
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 2: He's not tiny, but no, I just think of him

716
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 2: as skinny.

717
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:37,959
Speaker 1: He's skinny.

718
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

719
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: Fifty Tyler Nuban, the safety out of Minnesota.

720
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 2: It could be hard to pat. Did you take him

721
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 2: in the one you said idea?

722
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: I just gotta call that one up. So the draft

723
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: that I sent you that I was shocked to the

724
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: one that I like the best. This is this is

725
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: the one I did this one, and I'm like, okay,

726
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 1: this is I would go for this right now.

727
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

728
00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: Uh Powers Johnson at twenty, I got sure Tyler Nuban

729
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: at fifty two.

730
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 2: Let's stop there, right, I'm here. We don't go through

731
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 2: the others for sure, but they both are very lead off,

732
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 2: double lead to me, like I would be. Maybe they

733
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 2: don't go to Pro Bowls, but I bet both those

734
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 2: guys don't bust, yeah, you know, and would play a

735
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 2: lot as rookies.

736
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: Then I got Malachi Corley at eighty four at one nineteen.

737
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: I took neam my approach at the cornerback out of Auburn.

738
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 2: He's been getting more and more buzz.

739
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: Then I grabbed Christian Jones to tackle from Texas at

740
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: one twenty.

741
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 2: Sit out there at senioral I thought it looks like

742
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 2: a starter.

743
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: I took Jalen Ford, the linebacker out of Texas at

744
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: one ninety eight. I don't know if he's going to

745
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: last that long.

746
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 2: That seems rare to me. He's rare that long, but

747
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 2: he was there and I took him and they could

748
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 2: room together.

749
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. And then I grabbed Gabe Hall,

750
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: the defensive tackle out of Baylor in round seven.

751
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 2: He was awesome at a Senior Bowl first practice, yeah

752
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 2: you know, and didn't disappoint after that. But he's long

753
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 2: and he would finish.

754
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: Got the size and like, okay, I can find a

755
00:32:58,160 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: use for that.

756
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of a more athletic, more fluid, louder milk. Yeah,

757
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 2: you know, in terms of body type, tall or long,

758
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 2: I mean almost like an aeric armsteam.

759
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: You know, he's a six y five for six four,

760
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: three hundred pounder that can move.

761
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 2: I'll take a chance on this, Yeah, and develop them,

762
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 2: you know, good good d line coach, give them raw ball, clay.

763
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: But I got take a lot two defensive backs, a

764
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: couple of offensive linemen.

765
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 2: All of whom are pretty different.

766
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, a wide receiver who's yeah, you would help some way,

767
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: shape or form. You know, I got my I got

768
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: my linebacker prospect. And then you know, I mean I.

769
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 2: Think that's a nice balance looking at that.

770
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: Kind of draft. Is at might be the positions.

771
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 2: It might be the positions I mean might.

772
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: Be in a different order when when it's all said

773
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: and done, but it's probably going to be those positions

774
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: that are hit.

775
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,959
Speaker 2: You got the number one center, which you better if

776
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 2: you're going to use the first thime pick on, and

777
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 2: maybe the number one safety it works, the number two

778
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 2: it worst number two, and some he's on the board

779
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 2: is number one, you know, I mean he's in that

780
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 2: conversation as we speak right now. Both of them I

781
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 2: think would start day one.

782
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 1: And so to me, Nuban is the number one strong safety, okay,

783
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,240
Speaker 1: as opposed to the Miami kid Kinchins. He's a free

784
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 1: He's more of a free. Yeah.

785
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 2: He won't put him down the box or near the

786
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 2: line scrimmage nearly as often. Yeah, so now I like it.

787
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 2: I'm cool with that for sure.

788
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,720
Speaker 1: Looking here at reads positional rankings.

789
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 2: Here, so.

790
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: At some of the positions. Let's let's take a look

791
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 1: here at offensive tackle, he has alt for Shanu fa Waga, Latham,

792
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: and Geiten. Yeah, it's his top five.

793
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 2: And then Mems was right behind those guys, you know,

794
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 2: trying to think of the top fifty.

795
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,919
Speaker 1: And then he had the kid from Arizona, Yeah, sneaking Samataia.

796
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 1: And at guard it's Fatanu. Then I assume it's a

797
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: pretty big drop off because he has Zach Ziner as

798
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: his number two.

799
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 2: Wow, boy, the combat be huge for him. We might

800
00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 2: be getting some feedback. Wow Zenter might be ready for

801
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 2: or week one.

802
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: But yeah, then he has Cooper Bebe, Christian Haynes, who

803
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: I like, yeah, uh, and Dominic Pooney out of Kansas.

804
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 2: Only one in the top fifty. But yeah, a lot

805
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 2: of those dudes were at the Senior Bowl and did well.

806
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 1: The centers Jackson, Powers, Johnson, Graham Barton, Zach Frasier, Cedric

807
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: van Pran, bo Limmer.

808
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 2: Limmer was okay, Tom.

809
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,760
Speaker 1: He struggled with some of the one on one stuff,

810
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: and then when they got into the game he was fine.

811
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is better for a center. The centers have

812
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 2: a tough time in the one on ones and rarely

813
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 2: have to do it.

814
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 1: They don't have to do it all that often.

815
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, uh.

816
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: Looking here at the uh, how about corners. Corners, he's

817
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: got Arnold Quinya, Mitchell cool Aid McKinstry, Nate Wiggins, and Rakestraw.

818
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 2: Actually I should even asked about that because we already

819
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 2: mentioned allose names. How about the linebackers.

820
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: Linebackers he has one Edrian Cooper, Junior Colson out of Michigan,

821
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 1: Peyton Wilson at VNC State, Cedric Gray out of North Carolina,

822
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,280
Speaker 1: and Jeremiah Trotter out of Clemson.

823
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 2: Okay, don't seem like the five in some order that

824
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 2: most people were talking about.

825
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then as safety, well, he lists Cooper dejen

826
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: is a safety. Uh he has kinchins at two Nuban

827
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: at three, Javon Bullard out of Georgia at four, and

828
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: Kaylen Bullock out of USC at five.

829
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 2: Bullock, from what I understand, kind of made some business

830
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 2: decisions this year that he was high on the lists

831
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 2: and maybe turned down some physicality trying to save himself

832
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 2: with the draft.

833
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. The wide receiver group you're looking at, Harrison Neighbors, Dounzier,

834
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: Keon Coleman, Donnie Mitchell. That's the those the five that

835
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: made it into the first round as well.

836
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, they were all pretty high in the list.

837
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 1: No running backs in the first round. He has Jonathan

838
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 1: Brooks and one, Trey Benson two, Blake Korum three, Braylen

839
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: Allen four Marshawn Lloyd at the USC five.

840
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. I like the way he moves and caught passes

841
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 2: at Senia Bowl two. Yeah, Wisconsin and Florida State.

842
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: Kid.

843
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 2: I don't think any of those guys are gonna be Steelers,

844
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 2: but are both bangers.

845
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 1: Bray Braylan Allen's a monster.

846
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, there was some hammers.

847
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. The quarterbacks we know, the tight ends is Brock Bauers,

848
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: Jatavian Sanders, Theo Johnson at a Penn State.

849
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:07,240
Speaker 2: He definitely did good things.

850
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: Cade Stover out of Ohio State, and Jared Wiley at

851
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: a TCU.

852
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 2: Okay, I've seen those guys, those bottom two, but I

853
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 2: don't know a ton about them. Uh.

854
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: Defensive tackles, he has Jerseon Newton, Byron Murphy, de Andre Sweat.

855
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: Then he is Chris Jenkins four and Michael Hall Junior

856
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: at five.

857
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 2: He's another one. I'll thinks four on the shorter side. Yeah,

858
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 2: I would love to avoid d line this year. And

859
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 2: every time I bring that up, I get some tweets

860
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 2: saying they can't. What if Cam hits a wall and

861
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 2: ogin job. It's hard to count on because of injuries.

862
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: What I wonder is if if you put Darius Robinson

863
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 1: among those defensive tackles, which he probably should be, where

864
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: does he rank among that group two?

865
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 2: Three?

866
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean based on based on his rankings,

867
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: he would be he would have been third after Murphy.

868
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 2: I mean him and Sweat are two different animals. Yeah, obviously,

869
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 2: I mean that's a eye of the beholder thing. But

870
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 2: if you're one of versatile inside outside guy, he might

871
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 2: be one. Yeah, I want to line him outside.

872
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 1: To me, he looks like a three four end, like

873
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: a classic three four end.

874
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the Forrest Buckner Armstead, you know, one

875
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 2: of those type of guys. Yeah, yeah, it's interesting.

876
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:31,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. So there you go. That's the ESPN's Jordan Reid's

877
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Speaker 1: rankings of the top fifty prospects in this year's draft.

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890
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,839
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Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app as well.

895
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were listening to Super Bowl nine yesterday and

896
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,800
Speaker 2: then today was ten. Right, today was ten. Okay, very cool, So.

897
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: We're getting a little closer to modern times. Yeah, so

898
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Speaker 1: really cool.

899
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 2: Just hearing the whole vibe and just the way the

900
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 2: game's described and those voices even heard forever. I was

901
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 2: brought you back a little bit, you know.

902
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 1: So we were talking about this a little off the

903
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: air here, and the Chargers made and offensive coordinator hiring

904
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: last night or probably yesterday day afternoon for them. Yeah,

905
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: with Jim Harbaugh hiring Greg Roman as his new offensive coordinator.

906
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: And that's a strange fit to me, a.

907
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 2: Really strange fit to me. So their bodies they were

908
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 2: with the Niners together in the Kaepernick era where he

909
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 2: was running a ton and then Roman went to not

910
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 2: coincidentally the other Harbaugh brother and was there was instrumental

911
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 2: in the Flacco to Lamar change and the very unorthodox

912
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 2: way in which the Ravens played the game, ran the football,

913
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 2: you know, quarterback centric running game, and they were quite successful,

914
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 2: but then they also sort of hit a wall that

915
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 2: we probably can't play this way forever, and probably not

916
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 2: coincidentally coincided with Lamar getting paid a heck of a

917
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 2: lot more and the owner probably saying, if we're going

918
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 2: to give him fifty million a year, I prefer to

919
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 2: take nine thousand hits a game. So he I think

920
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 2: he's been unemployed since or maybe it's a college level

921
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 2: or whatever.

922
00:40:58,040 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think he was working anywhere.

923
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 2: I hope, I mean, these guys are much smarter football

924
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,720
Speaker 2: people than I am. Harbaugh and Roman I would hope

925
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 2: that they do not try to run anything close to

926
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 2: the same offense that we saw in San Francisco or

927
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 2: Baltimore was justin Herbert.

928
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: The funny thing about this is Matt that to me,

929
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 1: the way people are talking about the Arthur Smith hiring

930
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,720
Speaker 1: with the Steelers, They're talking about him like he's Greg Roman,

931
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: right right, Like all they do is run the football,

932
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: they never throw it.

933
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 2: No, No, that's not true at all. The Roman thing,

934
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 2: I mean, his passing concepts were very remedial, you know,

935
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 2: with the Ravens, very remedial, and Herbert and let's they

936
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 2: have some crazy plan to not proceed with Herbert, which

937
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 2: I can't possibly believe the owner would ever hire these

938
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 2: people if they didn't maybe take a McCarthy at five

939
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 2: and trade and Herbert for nine first round picks. I

940
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 2: don't know, but or Roman has been working on passing

941
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 2: game cone and convinced Harbad that we're going to do

942
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 2: things differently. Well, my time off, he probably just wasn't

943
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 2: sitting around eating bond bonds. But I don't get it.

944
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 2: Smith is better known for his running game principles without question,

945
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 2: and they're going to run the ball a lot. I mean,

946
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 2: I'm sure that's going to be the foundation of the team.

947
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 2: But they're much further along in terms of after the

948
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 2: catch stuff play action passing concepts than we saw with

949
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 2: Roman of late. Yeah.

950
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:30,399
Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at Greg Roman's history here now,

951
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: he's had a top ten rushing offense every year he's

952
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: been an offensive coordinator a lot.

953
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 2: That's volume two though. I mean, but they're good per carry,

954
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:38,720
Speaker 2: but I mean it's.

955
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 1: The He was with the forty nine ers from twenty

956
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: eleven to twenty fourteen under Harbos's the offense coordinator. Then

957
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: he went to Buffalo in fifteen sixteen in fifteen and sixteen.

958
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,240
Speaker 2: Okay, I missed those. Oh that's like the Tyrod Taylor

959
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 2: year probably.

960
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, running quarterback, yeah, I remember, okay, and then

961
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: he went to Baltimore started in twenty nineteen as the

962
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, not coincidentally when Lamar broke out. Yeah, yeah yeah,

963
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:06,479
Speaker 1: and then through twenty twenty two. So every year he's

964
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,240
Speaker 1: had a top ten rushing offense, including leading the league

965
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: like one, two, three, four times in a row. That

966
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: doesn't surprise me either. But the passing offense, you're looking at,

967
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: Where are we at here in terms of rushing offense,

968
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: passing offense, passing offense yards twenty ninth, twenty third, thirtieth, thirtieth,

969
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: twenty eight, thirtieth, twenty seventh, thirty second, thirteenth, and twenty eighth.

970
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 2: Wow. So I'm trying to get in the mind of Harball,

971
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 2: which is a frightening spot to be in. Justin Herbert Herbert,

972
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 2: but we know Michigan. I mean we just talked about

973
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,959
Speaker 2: this with McCarthy. I mean, he's going to be run first,

974
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 2: no matter what it is. It physicality, it's fundamentals, it's toughness.

975
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 2: I mean, that's why he's been a successful head well,

976
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 2: one of one reasons it's been a foundation wherever he's gone,

977
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 2: even if he had Andrew Luck, you know, I mean,

978
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 2: like foundationally, they are going to run the football with physicality,

979
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,240
Speaker 2: and I'm not sure there's been a team worse than

980
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,919
Speaker 2: the Chargers over that, even with Eckler over the last

981
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 2: three years of being able to count on a run game.

982
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 2: You know, like Merrill Hodge, who's obviously a running back.

983
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 2: It might be a little biased in this, just a smidge.

984
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: You know, the factor back.

985
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 2: You know, I would always say, when things go wrong,

986
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 2: you go back to your two or three bread and

987
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 2: butter runs, and that's a Chuck molesm And I'm sure

988
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 2: Harbaugh's the same way, and maybe he's the same. We

989
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 2: got to get to that point. I mean, we got

990
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 2: to build this thing that I can count on a

991
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 2: run game every week, but if it's at the expense

992
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 2: of the quarterback, it's not worth it.

993
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,479
Speaker 1: And here's where they ranked in passing attempts under Greg

994
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,240
Speaker 1: Roman through his entire career. Passing on passing attempts thirty first,

995
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:49,280
Speaker 1: thirty first, thirty second, twenty ninth, thirty first, thirty second,

996
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: thirty second, thirty second, ninth and twenty eighth. Wow, if

997
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: I'm the owner of the Chargers, why did we just

998
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: why did we just pay Justin Herbert? Yeah, fifty million

999
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,240
Speaker 1: dollars a year and you're gonna get me an offensive

1000
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 1: coordinator who's gonna We're gonna throw thee pass ten less

1001
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:05,359
Speaker 1: than anybody else in the league.

1002
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 2: And he's one of the top five passers of the

1003
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 2: football on the planet. I mean, and yes, he can run,

1004
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 2: and I'm sure he'll have some design runs. That's fine.

1005
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 2: But again, I just paid him. Do I want him

1006
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 2: getting hit? No, not at all. He's the most important

1007
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 2: thing in all Charger land. I don't get it at all.

1008
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,720
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe they have some passing game coordinator slash

1009
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 2: quarterback coach.

1010
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: Maybe the whole JJ McCarthy thing. That's just who Harball is.

1011
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,240
Speaker 2: He doesn't want to throw the football and he said,

1012
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 2: I mean, he's pumping up his dudes, which he's well

1013
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 2: known to do. How much he thinks McCarthy's going to

1014
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 2: be a superstar at the next level, Like, are they

1015
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,760
Speaker 2: gonna take him at five? I mean, I can't believe

1016
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 2: that that would even cross their mind with Herbert being there.

1017
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 2: But I'll give you six first round picks for him

1018
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 2: if you do, you know, he's a stranger fellow.

1019
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if I go six, well, I wouldn't.

1020
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 2: Go six, that's crazy, but I'll basically give you a blank. Yeah.

1021
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 1: It's just a weird, weird fit that when I saw

1022
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: that announce and I'm like, really, Jim Harbor, understand he's

1023
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 1: got justin Herbert, Like hire.

1024
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 2: Him as your run game coordinator, you know, and then

1025
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 2: have someone else that's your passing you know, that's the

1026
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 2: OC call play.

1027
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: No, I understand. You know, harbmall might look at this

1028
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 1: and go, look, we've been to Herbert centric.

1029
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I definitely think that his first goal

1030
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 2: was going to be I need to get a foundation

1031
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 2: running and that hasn't worked.

1032
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 1: We need to be better running the football to help

1033
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: our defense out.

1034
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 2: A little bit. But no doubt there have been a

1035
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 2: bad running team, which I'm sure making them crazy, but

1036
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 2: I don't know this is the answer to do it.

1037
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,919
Speaker 1: It's a weird, it is, but people are again, people

1038
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,280
Speaker 1: are looking at Arthur Smith like he's got this guy's resume.

1039
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 2: No, No, I mean this is they basically run like

1040
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 2: the single wing. That's really weird. Nuts.

1041
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 1: It drove me nuts in the in the Roman era

1042
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 1: when he was in Baltimore, the Roman Empire, that they

1043
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: weren't allowing Lamar to throw the football at all.

1044
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 2: As we've seen since he left, he's a much better,

1045
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 2: better passer than most people thought he was. It's a strength.

1046
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 2: It's not like you have to hide him.

1047
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1048
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,720
Speaker 2: I could see doing with like a Tyrod Taylor.

1049
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,399
Speaker 1: And I get throwing at his first his rookie year,

1050
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 1: but then they just kept building on it.

1051
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 2: They kept building on it, and they were winning a

1052
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 2: lot of games. So it's hard to get away from it.

1053
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 2: But in like Kaepernick, it doesn't seem like it was

1054
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 2: that long ago. But he was a little ahead of

1055
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 2: his time as a pure running quarterback, and he didn't

1056
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 2: throw the ball nearly as well as Lamar. I mean,

1057
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,240
Speaker 2: everything was on a fastball er up the middle for him.

1058
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 2: So I could see building around his questions as a passer.

1059
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 2: But I don't know if it holds back Herbert. I

1060
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 2: think that's a crime.

1061
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's get to a break here. That's going to

1062
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: do it for our number one of the drive. We'll

1063
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 1: be back with our number two right after this