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Speaker 1: Cowboys dot Com with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar
Speaker 1: Garcia and Derek Eagleton. It is Thursday, January thirteenth, twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two, Season seventeen, episode number ninety seven. Welcome to
Speaker 1: the latest edition of The Break, live from s WBC
Speaker 1: Mortgage Studios at the Star. We've got a lot to
Speaker 1: get into. We're getting you guys ready for Cowboys versus
Speaker 1: forty nine Ers. That happens this Sunday, three thirty pm
Speaker 1: at AT and T STADI will be joined in a
Speaker 1: little bit in the second segment by Bucky Brooks NFL Network.
Speaker 1: He'll help us break down the San Francisco defense versus
Speaker 1: Dallas offense. But let's get this thing started, and it
Speaker 1: give me a ninety seven. Let's get this thing started. No,
Speaker 1: Roy Glover, don't do that. Glover was a great football player.
Speaker 1: He was, Yeah, I mean he I think he was
Speaker 1: the first guy to have four straight Pro Bowls in
Speaker 1: his first four years. Zach Martin has since done that,
Speaker 1: but he was announced standing player on some bad teams.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of surprised he doesn't get more, doesn't get
Speaker 1: at least to being a finalist for the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: He was one of those players. I was so good
Speaker 1: and he was so underrated, and he was on bad
Speaker 1: teams at the Cowboys. I assume I don't know what
Speaker 1: the Saints were like while he was there. Roy that
Speaker 1: stung that I hated. I hated the Cowboys for because
Speaker 1: he was one of the saints best players at a
Speaker 1: time when I mean the Dome Patrol obviously, but they
Speaker 1: were always second fiddle to the Niners. Those teams, they weren't.
Speaker 1: They never like commanded their division, and so like late nineties,
Speaker 1: early two thousands, it was like the first taste of
Speaker 1: the Saints being like a playoff type team. And Leroy
Speaker 1: left in free agency, and I think it was like
Speaker 1: the first time the Saints had a player than anybody
Speaker 1: else wanted. And I just I was probably like twelve,
Speaker 1: and I just like damn count He used to piss
Speaker 1: off the TV cameras too, because he would sit in
Speaker 1: his locker and we'd go to interview him a couple
Speaker 1: of riders, and then the cameras you would show up
Speaker 1: late and h after you do the work, and then
Speaker 1: he had this big dip in his mouth and he'd
Speaker 1: be like, no cameras, just just you know, writers only,
Speaker 1: and they were like they were getting pissed about it.
Speaker 1: Was like, because they had this big dip, want to
Speaker 1: show what's my kind of guy? Screw the TV people
Speaker 1: didn't It didn't It didn't matter if we're doing it.
Speaker 1: You know, He's like, well, they're a good team. That
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, so you know you don't, but you don't
Speaker 1: translate that. He was such a good player. I mean,
Speaker 1: and that's the other thing about it. Sometimes when you
Speaker 1: talk about interior defensive lineman, they don't get all the shine.
Speaker 1: But that guy was a really, really good player. And
Speaker 1: you could see it on a bad team, which is
Speaker 1: sometimes even harder to do. But he was really really
Speaker 1: a good player. All right, Nick, I want to also
Speaker 1: take a little moment and i'll Amber and Dave. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure if you guys have any but I'll open
Speaker 1: it up to you if you if you do, but
Speaker 1: i'd like to start to show off today getting just
Speaker 1: some memories of Cowboys forty nine ers, because there are
Speaker 1: this is one of the most storied rivalries probably in
Speaker 1: the NFL. Um and Nick, I know because I've had
Speaker 1: some conversations with you and you have lots of memories
Speaker 1: from that. But let's let's just kind of see if
Speaker 1: you have something, if you guys to have some by
Speaker 1: by by all means jump in. My favorite play of
Speaker 1: all time is in this series. I mean, and we're
Speaker 1: gonna do a video here in a little bit about
Speaker 1: my favorite moments from the Cowboys forty nine ers. But
Speaker 1: Alvin Harper Catch to me was the play it was.
Speaker 1: It was, It's my favorite play of all time because
Speaker 1: that is what the catch was for the forty nine ers.
Speaker 1: Was what that was for the Cowboys. It kind of
Speaker 1: propelled them for the entire dynasty, and it was more
Speaker 1: of um, you know, yeah, nice comeback. Crowds into it.
Speaker 1: Four minutes to go. We've been in these games, we've
Speaker 1: seen them, were like, how do you get rid of this?
Speaker 1: Four minutes? You're gonna run the ball, they're gonna call timeouts,
Speaker 1: you're gonna put They just said, we're gonna throw it
Speaker 1: over to Alvin Harper and he's gonna break away, and
Speaker 1: we're gonna win this thing right here, right now. It
Speaker 1: was a mentality that they had with Jimmy Johnson that
Speaker 1: right there. There's a lot of great ones. I got more,
Speaker 1: but that play right there symbolized more than just the play,
Speaker 1: symbolize kind of what they were about to be in
Speaker 1: taking control over the dynasty there from the Niners. I
Speaker 1: let Nick have the shine there, Like, I mean, my
Speaker 1: answers just aren't gonna be that good. I really, I'm
Speaker 1: old enough to remember that stretch of time, but not vividly.
Speaker 1: Especially I wasn't a Cowboy fan so I or a
Speaker 1: forty nine er fan, so I wasn't invested in it.
Speaker 1: But I just remember those two teams there. They were
Speaker 1: just always on, like you were just always aware that
Speaker 1: that was a big deal and like the winner was
Speaker 1: probably gonna win the super Bowl. For me, my most
Speaker 1: vivid Cowboys Niners memory, other than games I've actually covered,
Speaker 1: is again, probably I don't know, thirteen or fourteen, watching
Speaker 1: whatever Saints game was happening that day, and you know
Speaker 1: that Jim Brown does the break in. He's like, let's
Speaker 1: see what's going on in Tio's standing on the star
Speaker 1: and you're like, okay, okay, that's interesting, Like what the hell?
Speaker 1: And then they were like and then you're like, JB,
Speaker 1: something else is happening in Dallas. Let's cut away from
Speaker 1: the Saints ray oh my god, like Emmitt Smith, Tio's
Speaker 1: doing it. Like I vividly remember that. It was like
Speaker 1: they just kept cutting into that game, and like Dallas
Speaker 1: wasn't good that year, right, and so you didn't really
Speaker 1: have a reason to be paying attention to it until
Speaker 1: all of that started, and it was like riveting and
Speaker 1: by the time George Tigue finally hit him, I feel
Speaker 1: like I was more interested in that than whatever the
Speaker 1: Saints were doing. Yeah, that was that kind of game,
Speaker 1: And to be honesty, that was probably my most vivid
Speaker 1: memory of Cowboys forty nine ers as well, just because
Speaker 1: of the craziness of the game. Again, this was not
Speaker 1: a good team that year, but the way that game transpired,
Speaker 1: it just there was just all these moments where it
Speaker 1: was kind of like TiO goes to the Star, then
Speaker 1: Emmett goes to the Star, then it TiO goes to
Speaker 1: the Star again. It was just kind of kept going,
Speaker 1: and it was like, Okay, this is probably the most
Speaker 1: excitement we're gonna see all season, so let's just lean
Speaker 1: into it. That's fun. That's a very unique NFL thing
Speaker 1: because I mean it sucks, but like the way that
Speaker 1: they still broadcast the league is so outdated. You know,
Speaker 1: like if unless you have NFL package, you get two
Speaker 1: games even in twenty twenty two, which is insane, but um,
Speaker 1: but every now and then you'll have a moment like
Speaker 1: that where there's like drama playing out in the other
Speaker 1: game and they're like, let's get you back to Texas
Speaker 1: Stadium where all hell has broken loose, you know. So
Speaker 1: we had a game and it turned into something else. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I I never no one's ever really said this,
Speaker 1: And I asked he know this, and he kind of
Speaker 1: just smiled or and didn't really answer it. But I
Speaker 1: always believe that he did that because he recently, right
Speaker 1: before that, had filmed the movie Any Given Sunday, which
Speaker 1: was filmed at the stadium, and he was on the
Speaker 1: other team, and he I think he did that in
Speaker 1: the middle of the movie or you know, like a
Speaker 1: play or something like that. So I think, you know,
Speaker 1: he'd just been there and he'd done. I think that
Speaker 1: was part of it too, I asked him once again.
Speaker 1: He didn't really answer, or you're just kind of like whatever,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, well, obviously it was perceived as
Speaker 1: much more than that, and it's you've seen it over
Speaker 1: the years. It's continued to play out, you know, teams
Speaker 1: that go out to the logo of the other team
Speaker 1: on the fifty and during their warm up and they're
Speaker 1: jumping around on it, and it turned into this whole
Speaker 1: level of disrespect that then they feel like they have to,
Speaker 1: you know, do something to to show it. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just like it has become a thing. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if before that i'd really seen it be
Speaker 1: a thing, but it certainly became a thing. That day
Speaker 1: was Oh, I'm not that old, Sorry to be honest,
Speaker 1: and this is gonna sound ridiculous, but I am just
Speaker 1: now this week finding out how big this game is
Speaker 1: as far as like rivalry and this being a classic
Speaker 1: game and going back to those times, like to me,
Speaker 1: the times that I've been working here and covering this team,
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers have never been like such a
Speaker 1: big deal. You know. You you talked about the opponent,
Speaker 1: the week you're playing them and all that, but never
Speaker 1: like this. I didn't know that there was this kind
Speaker 1: of history behind the Cowboys and forty which And don't
Speaker 1: let anybody call you silly for that, by the way,
Speaker 1: because I mean, if you've been a fan of the
Speaker 1: game for years and years, you know. But but I mean,
Speaker 1: I've worked here since thirteen, and so they played here
Speaker 1: in fourteen. We've been out to Levi's a bunch, like
Speaker 1: I've lost track of it all. And they even at
Speaker 1: one of those games, I think I think the Cowboys
Speaker 1: kicked their ass because they've the last few times they've
Speaker 1: gone out there, the forty nine ers haven't been a
Speaker 1: very good team, but they honored Dwight Clark at halftime
Speaker 1: and one of those games it was when he was
Speaker 1: still alive, and I remember kind of not being surprised,
Speaker 1: but I was like, oh yeah, Like I guess this
Speaker 1: did used to be a big deal, because even the
Speaker 1: four or five times that they've played in the regular
Speaker 1: season while I've been here, it hasn't felt like that
Speaker 1: to me, Like it hasn't been like it's nine Ers week.
Speaker 1: So it's been very fun to have all of this
Speaker 1: kind of rekindled this week and have everybody sharing all
Speaker 1: of these memories, and you know that's the thing too.
Speaker 1: You think about this forty nine ers matchup, like even
Speaker 1: recently when there hasn't been as much consequence to the game,
Speaker 1: there's still drama. Like you think about Jesse Holly's game
Speaker 1: like that. We did a documentary on Jesse Holly and
Speaker 1: it was all built around that game because there was
Speaker 1: so much in that game for him that was, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of this crowning moment. Obviously he makes the game
Speaker 1: winning play in overtime, and so it's there have been
Speaker 1: those kind of moments. This is that kind of drama
Speaker 1: that tends to happen when these two teams match up,
Speaker 1: and there's history that goes back even before the nineties,
Speaker 1: obviously the catch that we talked about. So there's so
Speaker 1: many dramatic wonder because we know there are a lot
Speaker 1: of young players here on the roster. So it makes
Speaker 1: me wonder when you have older coaches, people like Dan Quinn.
Speaker 1: He mentioned that how big this game is and all
Speaker 1: that people that know the history that are passionate about
Speaker 1: it that I want to go out there and compete
Speaker 1: with everything, Like how do they transmit that kind of
Speaker 1: passion a message to the younger players and get them
Speaker 1: pumped up the same type of I mean, they're gonna
Speaker 1: be pumped either way. They're gonna go out there play
Speaker 1: playoff game. But you know, just I'm curious to see
Speaker 1: what those meetings look like and what kind of like
Speaker 1: fiery message they take. It matters. I think that does matter,
Speaker 1: even though they don't know it. I think that they
Speaker 1: just kind of understand how big the moment is. It
Speaker 1: is bigger than they even thought, you know, and we'll
Speaker 1: see if they rise to it. But they've said something about,
Speaker 1: you know, just you always knew that these two teams
Speaker 1: were good and all that. I wrote this in the
Speaker 1: mail bag this morning, and on a question like that.
Speaker 1: The greatest line ever said to me, I mean you
Speaker 1: ever said was in about this Robert was Pat Somemer
Speaker 1: all in then open for the ninety four game, ninety
Speaker 1: four NFC Championship. They've played ninety three. Here they are
Speaker 1: again and that was when the Pro Bowl was after um,
Speaker 1: I think they had twelve and thirteen players each team.
Speaker 1: And he says at the end of this whole intro,
Speaker 1: he says, he says in two weeks. The super Bowl
Speaker 1: will be played after that, the Pro Bowl today, we'll
Speaker 1: play both. And I just thought that that right there,
Speaker 1: because it's like it is, it was the super Bowl.
Speaker 1: The charges weren't gonna be any of them. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: for those years, it was everybody knew the NFC Championship
Speaker 1: game was the super Bowl for those years. I thought
Speaker 1: it was cool Troy. Troy talks to thirteen ten the
Speaker 1: ticket here every week, He's done that forever, and they
Speaker 1: asked him about being part of that, and it was
Speaker 1: cool how candid he was, because I mean he went
Speaker 1: through the whole stretch of all of those years and
Speaker 1: he was like, yeah, I mean, it definitely hurt because
Speaker 1: we knew that we would have treated San Diego the
Speaker 1: same way they did like we we would have won
Speaker 1: that game, There's no question about it. Just it just
Speaker 1: speaks to the level that those two teams were on.
Speaker 1: He said that they would win four straight because they
Speaker 1: you know, they didn't win that year, but then they
Speaker 1: came back, and I don't know that it's true. I mean,
Speaker 1: because I don't know if if Jerry breaks the bank
Speaker 1: for Dion after that, because they you know, I don't
Speaker 1: if you don't have the on that fourth year. Maybe
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, maybe I mean, does he
Speaker 1: go kind of all in in ninety five if he
Speaker 1: won three in a row, did they lose more guys?
Speaker 1: It's hard to say, but they certainly would have competed
Speaker 1: for it. But yeah, it's kind of thing we talk
Speaker 1: about with games all the time, like one thing kind
Speaker 1: of precipitates another, so you can't really say good, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you didn't really say what it's gonna be. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: those things don't happen before that. I just he said
Speaker 1: another really interesting thing to me, which was that he
Speaker 1: said losing the ninety four game, which like any Cowboy
Speaker 1: fan that remembers that game, it's like they go to
Speaker 1: a different place when you bring it up like it
Speaker 1: without fail. See Nick, it hurts every fan I've ever
Speaker 1: talked to who remembers that game. They just their eyes,
Speaker 1: They just go to a dark place. I was a
Speaker 1: freshman college and man that that I mean, crying wouldn't
Speaker 1: have helped, but I could have. But Troy, Troy said
Speaker 1: something that I thought was interesting. He's like, he was
Speaker 1: like that, That's one of the proudest feelings I've ever
Speaker 1: had leaving a football field, and I got it when
Speaker 1: he explained it made a lot of sense. He was like,
Speaker 1: you know, by then, we had just become associated with dominance,
Speaker 1: Like you know, we killed the Bills in two Super Bowls,
Speaker 1: Like every time we play a big game, we just
Speaker 1: show up and kick ass. And for us to get
Speaker 1: down big like that and look vulnerable and not look
Speaker 1: our best and still fight back, he was like, I
Speaker 1: was proud to show America like what we were really
Speaker 1: about that, like we wouldn't go down without a fight
Speaker 1: or whatever. I have two rewind moments in my life
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys, two that I would just want to
Speaker 1: rewind and replay it and see what happens. One of
Speaker 1: them is twenty fourteen in Green Bay. I don't know
Speaker 1: if they would have won, but I just would have
Speaker 1: liked to seeing a touchdown there. See if they go
Speaker 1: for two ye see what Rogers does. And we're talking
Speaker 1: obviously the Desk game. Then the other one is the
Speaker 1: ninety four game. I think Dion Sanders definitely had a
Speaker 1: past interference on Urban. They call that at the five,
Speaker 1: they're gonna go score. It's gonna be thirty eight thirty
Speaker 1: five with five minutes to go. I want to see
Speaker 1: that because I think they could have stopped up in won,
Speaker 1: you know, and that don't even remember all that five
Speaker 1: minutes ago. There are the thirty five like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: because I just rose my hand like that one hurt.
Speaker 1: Those moments, those moments turn into your brain, they really do.
Speaker 1: Everyone's got a moment like that. And you're right, I
Speaker 1: mean you went too straight. This is the game and
Speaker 1: it's their down twenty one to nothing before you can
Speaker 1: even get get through the first beer. I mean it
Speaker 1: was twenty one nothing, you know, and not to go
Speaker 1: too off the rails. I'm sure you want to take
Speaker 1: a break. I've been thinking about this all week though,
Speaker 1: because it got like this is what I said when
Speaker 1: they hired McCarthy. Obviously, right now, in this moment, their
Speaker 1: goal is to win the Super Bowl. It will be
Speaker 1: very disappointing if they don't win this game. All that
Speaker 1: good stuff, but like, that is the goal when you
Speaker 1: hire Mike McCarthy, I said it. Then it's like year
Speaker 1: after year being in the playoffs, like Huhet three was great,
Speaker 1: but ninety four was heartbreaking, Whereas around here recently it's
Speaker 1: been more like it's been three years since they've been
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, Like, I hope these guys remember what
Speaker 1: it takes, Like that's what needs to change, like they
Speaker 1: need to success for Mike McCarthy is getting back to
Speaker 1: a standard of like every year you're in the playoffs
Speaker 1: and sometimes it's going to go really well and sometimes
Speaker 1: it's not. But you're there every year. And you know,
Speaker 1: something that's interesting. I actually was thinking about this this morning.
Speaker 1: I don't know how many fans out there. Started to
Speaker 1: see this word victory that's on a lot of the
Speaker 1: stuff that we do, and it came actually from coach McCarthy.
Speaker 1: It's something he's been preaching to the team all season.
Speaker 1: It's been talking about this word victory, and for the
Speaker 1: first time it kind of hit me. He basically took
Speaker 1: away their safety net. You know, you have a lot
Speaker 1: of the thing back to when Garrett was here. He
Speaker 1: talked about what's important is the process, what's important is
Speaker 1: the fight, Like it's all these things that you can control,
Speaker 1: right and so, but it does leave that that little
Speaker 1: gray area that even if you don't win, you should
Speaker 1: be happy for the fight, you should be happy for
Speaker 1: the process. If you do those things, that's enough. I
Speaker 1: think Mike McCarthy took away that safety net. There is
Speaker 1: nothing else other than victory. There is nothing else other
Speaker 1: than winning. That's a really scary way to kind of
Speaker 1: put everything because that means you either are successful or
Speaker 1: not and it's all dependent on the end of the day,
Speaker 1: did you get the W and A. That's a pretty
Speaker 1: bold thing to do, and it also can be a
Speaker 1: very scary thing to do. But it goes to what
Speaker 1: Dave's talking about. Being a coach and creating the standard
Speaker 1: of our standard is not necessarily just the process. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we want you to do the same things and be
Speaker 1: good at doing the same things and even preparing. But
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you're judged by did
Speaker 1: you win or did you lose? There is no moral victory.
Speaker 1: You either one of you didn't. And I think that,
Speaker 1: I know, I think that to me is one of
Speaker 1: the things I look at. I'm like, that's kind of
Speaker 1: that tells you a little bit about his mentality and
Speaker 1: what he wants, how he wants his team to think.
Speaker 1: That's a little bit different than maybe the previous regime.
Speaker 1: All Right, were gonna take our first recon we co back.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be John by Bucky Brooks of NFL Network.
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Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks, NFL Network. Bucky. Let's start. Let's talk about
Speaker 1: the San Francisco defense. First of all, tell me what
Speaker 1: is it that they do best and where are they
Speaker 1: most vulnerable. The thing that they do well is they
Speaker 1: dominated the point of attack. They are a team that
Speaker 1: has always put their premium and invested in the defensive line,
Speaker 1: and the defensive line allows them to control of the game.
Speaker 1: The most notable guy is Nick Bolson. He has sixteen
Speaker 1: and a half sacks coming off in Ato, which is remarkable.
Speaker 1: But he's joined by two guys on the inside. Eric Olmstead,
Speaker 1: who's done a great job I think six and a
Speaker 1: half sacks, and then you have Art and t who's
Speaker 1: the situational pass rusher that has given them some help.
Speaker 1: So this is a team that wants to rush for
Speaker 1: They want to drop seven and they believe that they
Speaker 1: can whip you upfront with the D line and then
Speaker 1: they can protect the back end and coverage. Their secondary
Speaker 1: is their weakest part. But a lot of times you
Speaker 1: can't get to attack the back end because Nick Won
Speaker 1: the company are knocking you around and making you leave
Speaker 1: the pocket before you can really attack. Bucky. How we
Speaker 1: talked yesterday about the running game. They're the forty nine
Speaker 1: ers defense. Is it good because of those guys you said?
Speaker 1: Or are they even better when their offense is actually
Speaker 1: running the ball, getting the clock and kind of controlling
Speaker 1: the game and allowing them to kind of take advantage
Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, it's a complimentary approach. I mean they're good.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that they're necessarily like top five good
Speaker 1: on their own accord. I would say that it's the
Speaker 1: way that they play that helps them when you're running
Speaker 1: the ball. Then the forty nine hasn't done this in
Speaker 1: a couple of games where the first drive is fifteen play,
Speaker 1: they make you punted and they get it and go
Speaker 1: another fifteen plays and before you know a year, I
Speaker 1: mean midway in the second quarter and you have no
Speaker 1: rhythm of field on the offense and you're chasing point.
Speaker 1: And so that allows them to play the kind of
Speaker 1: style of defense that they want to play because they
Speaker 1: want to rush the pass that they don't really want
Speaker 1: to have to go straight up and deal with the
Speaker 1: running game and stuff like that. And so as much
Speaker 1: as we talk the forty nine ers running game, making
Speaker 1: opponents with and fear them, they also don't want to
Speaker 1: face a steady data run because that's not necessarily what
Speaker 1: they're built for. They're built to rush to pass. Bucky,
Speaker 1: speaking of which you just talked about him, imagine my
Speaker 1: surprise when I turn on this tape and my old
Speaker 1: friend from LSU arden Key is not just playing well
Speaker 1: for them, but doing it at a new position Like
Speaker 1: it seems like they use him a lot as a
Speaker 1: d tackle. Just what I mean, what have they found
Speaker 1: in this guy? And how much of a problem is
Speaker 1: that for the interior alignment on the Cowboys. Well, what
Speaker 1: they have wanted to build line coaches in pullball and
Speaker 1: Chris cons and he is unlocked. Arden Key arden keyed
Speaker 1: is found at home by playing on the inside, and
Speaker 1: they are a team to use a lot of movement
Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage, slamming, stunning, getting them on
Speaker 1: the move by whether the ball goes jumping in guests.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's skilled, and you're seeing when you put
Speaker 1: a defensive in a guy who's a natural two hungere
Speaker 1: and forty pounder on the inside, he's working the edges
Speaker 1: of the offensive line. So he wins with quickness and
Speaker 1: hand skills as opposed to like sheer strength and power.
Speaker 1: And it's working for them. And if they get you
Speaker 1: in those situations where they're able to unleash him, he
Speaker 1: doesn't have to worry about the run. Well, then it
Speaker 1: becomes a problem. And so you see an art and
Speaker 1: he kind of playing the way that maybe some imagine
Speaker 1: him being a disruptive force. He's just doing it at
Speaker 1: a different position. Man, I don't really even know what
Speaker 1: to ask because I feel like every week it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we'll always have one more week, but then this week
Speaker 1: it's like this is it. They're all in with this.
Speaker 1: So I guess what I want to ask you, Bucky,
Speaker 1: is after seeing the way that they played last week,
Speaker 1: even though it was with an opponent that didn't have
Speaker 1: many of their starters or anything like that. What are
Speaker 1: some of the things that you think that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: might still struggle with this fight of the kind of
Speaker 1: performance they put out last week. This game comes down
Speaker 1: to the offensive line. It comes down to how well
Speaker 1: they play at the point of attack. If Sen Smith
Speaker 1: play all Colin Zach more in time betters and kind
Speaker 1: of willing to play well, then the Cowboys win. If
Speaker 1: they have any problems, then it's gonna be a long day.
Speaker 1: And that's just what it comes down to. And so
Speaker 1: if the ability to control the guys upfront, and if
Speaker 1: you can do that and slow down Bosa and Aunstead
Speaker 1: and contain Fred Warner and those guys at the second level,
Speaker 1: then you dominate the game and you do it the
Speaker 1: way that you've done it for most of the season.
Speaker 1: But if you have issues and it cracks up front,
Speaker 1: it's going to make it very uncomfortable because you won't
Speaker 1: be able to run the football. And in death, you
Speaker 1: have to maybe do too much in terms of like
Speaker 1: having to make more players, because I wouldn't want to
Speaker 1: see him have to throw it forty plus times, even
Speaker 1: though he's more than paple of being able to do that.
Speaker 1: That's not the game that the Cowboys should want to
Speaker 1: be able to get into and the pole season. So
Speaker 1: it's all about the trenches. Whoever wins the trenches often
Speaker 1: is gonna win the game. Bucky, I'm gonna ask you
Speaker 1: a bigger picture question. We actually got this question from
Speaker 1: one of our listeners, Colin Brennan. He says, he asked,
Speaker 1: what areas on offense and defense? Does Dallas have the
Speaker 1: advantage over San Francisco Because I think all week listening
Speaker 1: to our show and listening to a lot of media,
Speaker 1: Everybody's like, man, this is a tough matchup for Dallas.
Speaker 1: Where's it a tough matchup for San Francisco? I mean
Speaker 1: defending the Cowboys. I mean, let's be honest, like the
Speaker 1: star power is real and it We do play these
Speaker 1: narratives in the media like, oh, you never want to
Speaker 1: face the Niners, get the hottest team, but look, they
Speaker 1: got seven losses on their legends, so they have issues too.
Speaker 1: And the big thing with the Niners is you have
Speaker 1: to make sure that you're attacking. What you want to
Speaker 1: do is you want to play from in front and
Speaker 1: put the game on Jimmy Garoppolo. So the advantage is
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys quarterback, wide receiver. Even though Dego saying
Speaker 1: is legit, the wide receivers still go that way. The
Speaker 1: offensive line, I would say, is almost a bit of
Speaker 1: a push defended upon, like which version of Trent will
Speaker 1: you comes back? Because he's played it at a great level.
Speaker 1: The defensive line, I would say it's fairly even. Linebackers.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's kind of even. The defensive backs would
Speaker 1: go to the Cowboys, and so it's kind of an
Speaker 1: even matchup. The really style, it's who's able to impose
Speaker 1: their style early in the game and make the game
Speaker 1: be played out a certain way. If the Cowboys jump
Speaker 1: in front and are able to play the game from
Speaker 1: their front dinners, it's an easier game for them. If
Speaker 1: it's one of those games where the Niners shorten the
Speaker 1: game and they run it, then it becomes an all
Speaker 1: day affair. But now we have overblown it and maybe
Speaker 1: where the forty nine or the forty nine is from
Speaker 1: the nineties and the nine that yeah, So that being
Speaker 1: said about playing in the lead, when when the referee
Speaker 1: announces before the kickoff that the Cowboys have won the toss.
Speaker 1: What's your decision? What do you think it should be? Well,
Speaker 1: I'm always always want to defer because the reason why
Speaker 1: I want to deferge because at the end of half,
Speaker 1: there is what we call a double score opportunity. Right,
Speaker 1: So if you score at the end of the half
Speaker 1: and then you get the ball back, you get a
Speaker 1: chance to really separate and explode from the opponent. So
Speaker 1: I would rather play it that way, even though I
Speaker 1: understand what you're saying. If you feel like your offense
Speaker 1: is debt potent that you want to go ahead and
Speaker 1: jump on him, I steal with out for that. Even
Speaker 1: though I know if the Niners getting the opening kick,
Speaker 1: they're gonna sit on the ball. Now. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be like watching Wisconsin play basketball. It's half court,
Speaker 1: it's the cloud. I mean, it's the cloud draining and
Speaker 1: all that. So that's why it's gonna be really important
Speaker 1: for them to jump on the running game early and
Speaker 1: get them out of that. Because if you can force
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo to pass, I would say more than twenty
Speaker 1: seven times the Cowboys winning. He's not gonna throw that
Speaker 1: much and be effective. Do you think that they? I mean,
Speaker 1: if they try this because it seems like there's there
Speaker 1: should be a lot of plays to be made against
Speaker 1: their secondary. Do you trust the Dallas offensive line to
Speaker 1: keep Dak on his feet long enough to take advantage
Speaker 1: of that? Basically, I would say they can do that,
Speaker 1: But I said the ball needs to come out quick.
Speaker 1: I say I would say that looking at how they
Speaker 1: want to play, because they want to drop seven and coverage.
Speaker 1: They're not necessarily a Tampa two or a Cover two team.
Speaker 1: They kind of play single high safety or some quarters.
Speaker 1: You want to get the ball out quickly. Let him
Speaker 1: Maury Cooper and CD Lamb. You want them to go
Speaker 1: to work on run after the catch plays you can
Speaker 1: attempt to kind of push you down the field, but
Speaker 1: you have to set those up. We saw how the
Speaker 1: Rams struggle when they just got grief for no reason
Speaker 1: because they're gonna play over the top because just like
Speaker 1: we can see it, let me go it runs. No,
Speaker 1: a man, my corners are not the best. Let's keep
Speaker 1: everything in front. Let's not let it flow over ahead.
Speaker 1: And so you have to be patient. So it's gonna
Speaker 1: take some patience, some discipline. And I heard you guys
Speaker 1: talking before about the playoffs. And like it's been three years.
Speaker 1: The people that I'm really looking at are not the players,
Speaker 1: it's Kellen Moore and Dan Quinn and how they handle
Speaker 1: calling the game in the postseason. Kellen More in particular,
Speaker 1: as a young play caller, when the game is very emotional,
Speaker 1: you can deviate and leave the running game when it's
Speaker 1: not successful early. How patient is he going to be
Speaker 1: with taking a balance approach that might be the deciding
Speaker 1: fact in whether the Cowboys win or not. How Killing
Speaker 1: Moore handles the playoff environment and atmosphere, having never called
Speaker 1: the game in the Vosseas, Hey Bucky real quick. As
Speaker 1: a follow up to that, how much do you put
Speaker 1: on the head coach though he has a lot of experience,
Speaker 1: knowing that he has a young play caller, is it
Speaker 1: his responsibility to also be able to get in Kellen's
Speaker 1: ear if he feels like he's not being patient enough
Speaker 1: and say, hey, let's remember, let's stick to our plan,
Speaker 1: let's continue to run the ball even if it's not
Speaker 1: necessarily working. I would say this, if we're looking at
Speaker 1: the game, you guys will be there. But if you're
Speaker 1: looking at the game on TV, if you don't see
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy doing a lot of talking. He is doing
Speaker 1: his job at disservice. This is a game where a
Speaker 1: Super Bowl winning head coach has to put his imprint
Speaker 1: on the game. He needs to be more active, more
Speaker 1: involved in the stuff. And I'm not saying take to
Speaker 1: play card from killing Moore, but this game has to
Speaker 1: go according to the script that Mike McCarthy has. That's
Speaker 1: why he was hired. He was hired because he's been
Speaker 1: the one to win super Bowls, not those other guys.
Speaker 1: He has to lead this team until. Yeah, he has
Speaker 1: to play a bigger role in managing the game. And
Speaker 1: I know for some of us that makes the squeamish
Speaker 1: based on what we've seen, but he has won it.
Speaker 1: He needs to play and perform and make sure the
Speaker 1: game looks like a championship level game. Bucky, And then
Speaker 1: I just want to ask you, how good is their kicker.
Speaker 1: I think the thing about Robbie Gold is you kind
Speaker 1: of just know what you're getting. Look, he's made some
Speaker 1: big kicks throughout this time. He has some This is
Speaker 1: this year. I think if we're comparing the two, he's
Speaker 1: been more consistent this year. But look, man, in the game,
Speaker 1: it's a fifty to fifty proposition when you're dealing with
Speaker 1: kickers of all levels. So you know, you just hope
Speaker 1: that Grigs is on if he's called upon to make kicks.
Speaker 1: But Rod, oh the solid you know. And so it's
Speaker 1: just one of those things where you just hope that
Speaker 1: Gregg V is on his game. If he's on his game,
Speaker 1: then you don't worry about Man, they squeamish because I
Speaker 1: heard you guys talking about two point conversions or whatever yesterday.
Speaker 1: You don't want it. You don't want it to get
Speaker 1: to that, and you can't. And that's the thing, because
Speaker 1: I didn't get a chance to say it. But in
Speaker 1: the playoffs, the one thing that you can't do is
Speaker 1: you cannot change if you've done things a certain way
Speaker 1: the entire time. You cannot decide in the playoffs we're
Speaker 1: switching it up. We're more aggressive, we're going for it
Speaker 1: on fourth downs. That's not I am up. You still
Speaker 1: got to play the way that you've always played it
Speaker 1: because players would look around, like coaches trip and why
Speaker 1: do you panicking? So you just gotta player straight. If
Speaker 1: Greggs teams you got, you gotta trust them. You just
Speaker 1: gotta live with it all right, give us a prediction.
Speaker 1: What do you think is gonna happen this Sunday. I
Speaker 1: think the couple was gonna win. I think the couple
Speaker 1: was an a better team. I think it has to playoff.
Speaker 1: I think it would be tight, just because I worry
Speaker 1: about the inexperienced um for some of their guys Micah
Speaker 1: and Trey Vine and some of those guys. But if
Speaker 1: they can get through the first quarter and the game
Speaker 1: is either even or they're up, I think they begin
Speaker 1: to separate away from them late. All right, we appreciate that, Bucky.
Speaker 1: We will talk to you hopefully next weekend as we're
Speaker 1: getting your heady for round two. We'll see about that.
Speaker 1: We're gonna take our final break. We'll come back. We
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Speaker 1: against the forty nine ers, It's time to white out
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Speaker 1: where white. Pretty simple. It's gonna look end zones are
Speaker 1: gonna look like, you know, like a little I'm not worried.
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about this. There will be red in
Speaker 1: the stadium, but it won't it won't be like last
Speaker 1: week when they come close to looking like that. It's
Speaker 1: gonna stand out a lot more snap it will. It's
Speaker 1: gonna stand out because it's red. I think that's the
Speaker 1: big thing. It's just it's the easiest color to notice
Speaker 1: of any but just if you're white, if you've got
Speaker 1: a white out. I don't remember if I said this
Speaker 1: here or on something else, but like they played Green
Speaker 1: Bay in the playoffs, and then nobody said did Ley
Speaker 1: about this? And Green Bay's just like San Francisco, like
Speaker 1: they've got fans in every building in the league. I
Speaker 1: just playoffs are different. Yeah, and it ain't gonna be
Speaker 1: that big of a deal. We will see. It'll be interesting.
Speaker 1: And I do think that they're better on the road anyways.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like it really matters the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are a better football team on the road, or do
Speaker 1: they have a better record on the road than I
Speaker 1: don't like that, which it won't happen. But like Matt
Speaker 1: Stafford had to go to a silent count in his
Speaker 1: own building last week. You don't want that. But that's
Speaker 1: also the thing about at and T Stadium. It's and
Speaker 1: Jerry talked about this on the Fan earlier this week.
Speaker 1: It's such as it's one of the largest stadiums from
Speaker 1: the standpoint of number of seats that it accommodates or
Speaker 1: number of people that it accommodates, And so by the
Speaker 1: nature of that, you're going to have more visiting fans
Speaker 1: that will be at the stadium than you typically see
Speaker 1: all around the league. So I think there's gonna be some.
Speaker 1: I just don't think there'll be a ton of Cowboys
Speaker 1: fans or wearing cell tickets for a playoff game. And also,
Speaker 1: I think you got to remember that game was all
Speaker 1: obviously on the schedule. That's the first time the forty
Speaker 1: nine ers have ever played in so far where the
Speaker 1: fans could come in. Yeah, so you know they didn't.
Speaker 1: They weren't allowed last year, So that one's probably been
Speaker 1: marked on calendars for a long time to go see
Speaker 1: the stadium and go watch them play the Rams and
Speaker 1: all that. So that was probably a lot of that.
Speaker 1: All right, real goad Ama can I ask a question.
Speaker 1: I didn't ask Bucky because we were already finishing up.
Speaker 1: But when one of the last things he said he
Speaker 1: mentioned was inexperience and how they might struggle with that
Speaker 1: with the younger players. But I'm wondering, like, how, like
Speaker 1: how does that really change at a playoff game with
Speaker 1: guys For example, he mentioned Mica, how would his quote
Speaker 1: unquote inexperience effect in a playoff game the first week
Speaker 1: because you get into the playoffs and it's not like
Speaker 1: you instantly got ten times better as the opposing team,
Speaker 1: you know, So you know what I'm trying, Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just to me, it's it's how are they mentally?
Speaker 1: You know? I mean, how do they how do they
Speaker 1: handle the pressure all this talk and now especially with
Speaker 1: the historical significance if that even matters. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: just you're just putting a lot of pressure in there.
Speaker 1: Are they focused on what they need to do? Can
Speaker 1: they block all that and still perform? Some players do it,
Speaker 1: some players don't. And the idea, I mean, it's over,
Speaker 1: it's over if you lose this, and that's so the
Speaker 1: stakes are higher. You're you're not only you're one loss
Speaker 1: away from eight months of whatever, and you're only three
Speaker 1: wins away from the Super Bowl. So I mean that
Speaker 1: that way, and it ratchets up each time you advance.
Speaker 1: You're like, if we win two more games, like we're
Speaker 1: super Bowl champs. I mean that, that's only human nature
Speaker 1: that that would get to you. I don't I don't
Speaker 1: worry about it, especially with Mica. Mica hasn't been phased
Speaker 1: by anything that's happened to him this entire time. I
Speaker 1: would be surprised if he's not up for that challenge.
Speaker 1: But it is a mental challenge, yeah, And a lot
Speaker 1: of that mental I think also goes to the fact
Speaker 1: of the intensity of the game. I remember first time
Speaker 1: I just started working for the Cowboys, Nick, you might remember,
Speaker 1: it was that that playoff game against Minnesota, and I
Speaker 1: was standing on the sideline watching the teams come out
Speaker 1: and you could just feel it. It's a different feeling.
Speaker 1: It's a different level of intensity. And again, once the
Speaker 1: whistle blows, is still a football game. But for every round,
Speaker 1: that intensity ratchets up because all week you got friends
Speaker 1: and family like, oh, it's the playoffs, Like it's it's
Speaker 1: just that, Like Day said, it is that mental of
Speaker 1: being able to get rid of the noise and the
Speaker 1: distractions and the thoughts of how big and the magnitude
Speaker 1: of the game, and being able to settle in and
Speaker 1: play football. So when you're experienced, you have a little
Speaker 1: bit more to rely on, like, Okay, this is still
Speaker 1: just the football game. When you're less experienced, it's like
Speaker 1: sometimes you can get caught up in that and it
Speaker 1: can take you a while to settle down into the
Speaker 1: game and just play football. You know Brett Farve had,
Speaker 1: you know that that was a big problem for him.
Speaker 1: He's one of the best quarterbacks of all time, and
Speaker 1: you know, he was an MVP, and he would go
Speaker 1: in to the Cowboy games and it take him a
Speaker 1: second quarter before he could set it up, before he
Speaker 1: realized that there is an actual crown on the stadium
Speaker 1: and you got to throw those out routes. He's throwing
Speaker 1: him in the stands because he's so jacked up. So
Speaker 1: even some of the best players, it kind of gets
Speaker 1: to him. Well, and you'll see it. Watch every game
Speaker 1: of this magnitude. Whoever makes like the first few plays
Speaker 1: of the game, the first guy that makes a big
Speaker 1: hit or a nice catch, it's gonna be over the top,
Speaker 1: like if Mica gets a tackle for loss on like
Speaker 1: the first series of the I mean the flexing and
Speaker 1: the scream. I mean, it's just it's a different level
Speaker 1: of intensity. And Bucky's right, I mean getting through like
Speaker 1: the first quarter, once you get into the flow of
Speaker 1: the game and you're just kind of in the zone
Speaker 1: and not worrying about it. That's that's really important in
Speaker 1: these types of games. And to give you an indication.
Speaker 1: I've heard players talk about this in Super Bowls. It
Speaker 1: will just tell you the magnitude. When the magnitude goes up,
Speaker 1: sometimes feeling like they're hyperventilating when the game's starting because
Speaker 1: they're so hyped up, they're so ampt there's so much
Speaker 1: juice flowing through them that it just it can get
Speaker 1: you and you can take you away a little bit
Speaker 1: and you you kind of have to settle back into
Speaker 1: playing football. So yeah, I think when you talk about
Speaker 1: the playoffs, it is an increased level of intensity and
Speaker 1: it gets a little bit tougher mentally. I think the
Speaker 1: game's still going to be the game, though, and once
Speaker 1: they settle in, I think they're fine. I do think,
Speaker 1: I really do think a lot of the key guys
Speaker 1: on this team are well suited for it, though. I agree.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's just a lot of guys on this
Speaker 1: team where I just don't think things get to them
Speaker 1: very easily. Yeah, and Nick, I remember we were in
Speaker 1: Carolina and that pre game and we were both standing
Speaker 1: down there and every fan's going crazy. The teams are
Speaker 1: like seething at each other and it's just and Nick
Speaker 1: turn to me. He said, we're not winning this game.
Speaker 1: That's just where the white towel theories started. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was like when they introduced Stephen Davis, They're running back
Speaker 1: and it was like and they had just beating them
Speaker 1: like a thanksgivings, just beating them and it was a
Speaker 1: big win, and you're it just felt different. Well, you're
Speaker 1: that was went out of the game when nine and seven. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well Steve Smith hit him with the let he say.
Speaker 1: He said something pretty pretty crazy after the game. I
Speaker 1: couln't even remember what he said, but he said something
Speaker 1: like we whipped as Yeah, but it was it was, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was pretty clear that Steve Smith, now right,
Speaker 1: it doesn't sound like him, but that you could just
Speaker 1: you feel it like you go down on the sideline
Speaker 1: for a regular season game. For all the regular season games,
Speaker 1: and then you go down for one for postseason game.
Speaker 1: It is a very very different feeling. It is a
Speaker 1: very high level. I'm so ready for this game, cannot
Speaker 1: wait play to play. Yeah, I do not want all
Speaker 1: brought us like, let's play. Let's go play the game.
Speaker 1: That's a wrap. We got another show to do tomorrow,
Speaker 1: so we do. And when we come in tomorrow, our
Speaker 1: goal will be to get these guys, these listeners ready
Speaker 1: for this game. Will have lots of thoughts about what
Speaker 1: we think is going to happen, what we think is
Speaker 1: going to have a good and bad for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: that tomorrow. Till then for Nick Even, Dave helm and
Speaker 1: Amber Garcia. I'm Derek Eagletons. We've been The Break live
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