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Speaker 1: Now your hosts, Very Church, Danny mccraig, and Knew he scrugs.
Speaker 1: Here we are everybody. It's Friday. That means it's time
Speaker 1: with the Players Lounge. I'm Knew, we scrugs, a long
Speaker 1: time Cowboys reporter, joined by my boys, David Craig, Very Church,
Speaker 1: two former Dallas Cowboys. Taft these guys, How are we
Speaker 1: doing on a Friday? Doing great? Doing great on this
Speaker 1: beautiful Friday. Man. It's it's crisp air out here. So
Speaker 1: you know, I'm feeling good. I'm feeling good. Where is
Speaker 1: that church just out somewhere in Colorado? Just you know,
Speaker 1: I was meeting around a little bit, you know, just
Speaker 1: back off. He's a little bit. He's still out in Colorado.
Speaker 1: Just so y'all know, man, Hey, let's talk about a
Speaker 1: real or real time vacation. That's a real time vacation.
Speaker 1: I'm stuck like I'm stuck in the house over here, man,
Speaker 1: you know, still looking at these same walls. But It's Friday,
Speaker 1: you know, so I might give me some wine to night.
Speaker 1: So I'm all right, I'm all right. Everything is good.
Speaker 1: There we go. I'll be doing New Year once again. Hey, baby,
Speaker 1: I'm good. I just you know, I hope you were
Speaker 1: sending Shot con a Christmas card every year? Okay you,
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying Shot con Man he takes a
Speaker 1: lot of hits, but he better not take no hits
Speaker 1: from Barry Church in the Church family. A good exactly,
Speaker 1: you were shot All good, y'all should be all good
Speaker 1: up in there. All right, let's dive a bunch of
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys news. The Cowboys announced three hirings um this week,
Speaker 1: and let's start with Joe Junior, a guy we've already
Speaker 1: spoken about. Secondary coach, passing game coordinator. He was in
Speaker 1: Atlanta with Dan quinn um. He's also coach with Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 1: He was a part of the Packers Super Bowl winning
Speaker 1: team to Bowl forty five, which they won over Jerry World,
Speaker 1: and his first three years with the Packers, uh, they
Speaker 1: let the NFL interceptions twice. He's a fourteen year veteran.
Speaker 1: So now that that's official, you've got a guy on
Speaker 1: the back end. Dan Quinn is a defensive line coach.
Speaker 1: They hid a defensive line coach eight and dirty. Uh
Speaker 1: he's from England by the way, he's in England in English.
Speaker 1: Was he's a brit and he was on the team
Speaker 1: with us. Oh, he was on the team on that
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen playoff run. He was. He was like the
Speaker 1: quality control guy. He was. He was around our team
Speaker 1: for a while. He was a cool dude. All right,
Speaker 1: what else can he tell us? Man a man like
Speaker 1: he was. He spent his whole time with the defensive line.
Speaker 1: He was over there with Big Cat and he was
Speaker 1: basically like a like a mentor to uh. Rob Manelli
Speaker 1: was his mentor. Basically he brought him over from England.
Speaker 1: You know, he was learning the game. You know, he
Speaker 1: was all about soccer. But with him, he loved the
Speaker 1: game of football. So he would always do football camps
Speaker 1: over there in England, bringing up just bringing that football
Speaker 1: culture to those guys out there because they're used to
Speaker 1: just playing soccer twenty four to seven. So that's where
Speaker 1: if you if you know, I don't know if you
Speaker 1: guys know, but Fa, I don't don't want to butcher.
Speaker 1: His last name Fa yeah, yeah, we just called f a.
Speaker 1: I think his last name was Ibada or something like that,
Speaker 1: but he plays for the Carolina Panthers. But anyways, Aiden
Speaker 1: was one of his like mentors over there in England
Speaker 1: and he had brought him over with the cop to
Speaker 1: play with the Cowboys. He was kind of like this
Speaker 1: practice squad guy, kind of just he came from England,
Speaker 1: he didn't really know much about football, but he had
Speaker 1: a crazy physique and this guy was very athletic. So
Speaker 1: he ended up playing for US for I think he
Speaker 1: was on a practice squad for a year. Then he
Speaker 1: went to Carolina and he's actually blossomed a lot in
Speaker 1: Carolina over there as a defensive end, but a lot
Speaker 1: of that was from from Aiden, who brought him over
Speaker 1: from England. And so I'm just glad that he's able
Speaker 1: to get a job as a defensive line coach and
Speaker 1: get his start in the NFL, because this is a
Speaker 1: guy that he paid his dues. I mean, he went
Speaker 1: on he was over in England crashing and clawn to
Speaker 1: get football over there, and then the Cowboys gave him
Speaker 1: a chance. He's kind of a quality control guy over here,
Speaker 1: and he kind of just blossomed into this coach now
Speaker 1: that he's here with us, So for sure, I'm glad
Speaker 1: for the hire, and hopefully, you know, he could continue
Speaker 1: his great successor in the NFL. So so Church and
Speaker 1: I gotta play devil's advocate here and say, you know,
Speaker 1: we got a guy by the name of Big Cat
Speaker 1: here who some of us may have thought that that
Speaker 1: may have been a possible hire for the defensive line
Speaker 1: coach as well. So what do you think about Big
Speaker 1: Cat not not getting that job and then you know,
Speaker 1: hiring Aiden from outside. Yeah, that one, that one's kind
Speaker 1: of a dagger right there, because because we all know
Speaker 1: Big Cat, we love Big Cat, and he was there
Speaker 1: each and every year I was a part of the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys, and he's a great friend of man on
Speaker 1: and off the field, and you hate to kind of
Speaker 1: see him not to get an opportunity like that because
Speaker 1: he kind of paid his dudes behind Marionelli. He learned
Speaker 1: everything behind Mary Nellie, and he was kind of the
Speaker 1: guy that that orchestrated that defensive or that d law
Speaker 1: emergence as a as a defensive end in this league.
Speaker 1: He worked with him every day after practice and before
Speaker 1: practice and next thing. You know, d Law became a
Speaker 1: perennial Pro Bowl player and one of the highest paid
Speaker 1: guys in the National Football League. So Big Kat knows
Speaker 1: what he's doing out there. He was a veteran in
Speaker 1: his NFL league for a long time, and he can
Speaker 1: relate to the players. So you hate to see somebody
Speaker 1: like that who's paid his dudes not really get an
Speaker 1: opportunity to be a head coach or be a head
Speaker 1: defensive line coach. But you know, I'm sure his opportunity
Speaker 1: will come once in a while. One of these days,
Speaker 1: I'm sure it'll come. So let me piggyback on this.
Speaker 1: He was the assistant D line coach. I don't know
Speaker 1: if he's backs as the assistant D line coach. But
Speaker 1: what does it due to a guy's confidence when you
Speaker 1: see someone who was in your same position, like Mark Colombo,
Speaker 1: former player as it served as an assistant and eventually
Speaker 1: rose up. Mark got to become the offensive line coach
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys. And here you are, Leon. Let you
Speaker 1: know you had a better career than Colombo. You are
Speaker 1: part of three Super Bowl teams. You played this game,
Speaker 1: You've helped mentor and developed guys, and you get passed
Speaker 1: over for someone who was a practice squad player who
Speaker 1: never played in the league. How does that? How do
Speaker 1: guys process that? Well, if it was me, I mean,
Speaker 1: or go ahead, d Mac? Go ahead? Yeah, And I's
Speaker 1: gonna say, I mean, I'm sure it's a tough thing
Speaker 1: to do. But if you think about Lea letting him
Speaker 1: being being the guy that they is and planning the
Speaker 1: league for such a long time, he's faced a lot
Speaker 1: of adversity. He has been able to put stuff behind
Speaker 1: him and keep moving forward, knowing that his chance will come.
Speaker 1: So I don't think he loves any confidence. I think
Speaker 1: it just puts a bigger chip on the shoulder. He's
Speaker 1: going to prove itself. And once he does get his opportunity,
Speaker 1: I think he'll be a great D line coach. His
Speaker 1: temperament is a little different than some other guys. He's
Speaker 1: more of like a player's coach, and you just have
Speaker 1: to have the right guy who wants to hire that
Speaker 1: type of coach. But I think once he gets his
Speaker 1: opportunity and he knows this that that he will be
Speaker 1: able to be a successful defensive line coach. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I think d Mac, you hit it right on the head. Man.
Speaker 1: I think his temperament, Um, it's kind of holding them
Speaker 1: back a little bit, to be honest. I mean most guys,
Speaker 1: when you think of a D line coach, you think
Speaker 1: of a gout us in your face. You know, we
Speaker 1: don't take any bs here, you know, just basically all
Speaker 1: just intensity, just all intense. And that's the exact opposite
Speaker 1: of Leon lett Man. He was called big Cat for
Speaker 1: a reason. I mean, this guy is smooth. He's he's smooth,
Speaker 1: but he's very calm. He's very calm, and you never
Speaker 1: really see him get angry, get frustrated. And I'm not
Speaker 1: sure if that you know that's going into you know,
Speaker 1: his coaching or interviews or anything like that. But he's
Speaker 1: very very calm, very just very mellow. And I don't
Speaker 1: know if that kind of fits with the with the
Speaker 1: NFL nowadays, but hopefully he'll be able to get his
Speaker 1: opportunity soon. All right, Um, let's some of these two
Speaker 1: position coaches here, and that go back to something I
Speaker 1: spoke about weeks ago right here on the Players Lines,
Speaker 1: which is brought to you by Hotels dot com. Was
Speaker 1: it if you were going to bring in a new
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator, what you needed to do. Was allowed that
Speaker 1: coordinator to bring in coaches that he knew. So these
Speaker 1: are two coaches that Dan Quinn worked with in it. Lantin,
Speaker 1: he's got a guy who can work the back for him,
Speaker 1: and he's also the passing game coordinator. Dan's expertise comes
Speaker 1: in the defensive line, so he brings in a guy
Speaker 1: and dirty who knows exactly what he wants up front
Speaker 1: with a defensive line, and I guess the middle linebacker
Speaker 1: position will I mean the linebacker position will see if
Speaker 1: they keep the guy who'd been there because that guy
Speaker 1: had been with McCarthy Al Harris. I am assuming Al
Speaker 1: Harris will still be a part of this defensive back
Speaker 1: unit as a coach. He was also a guy who
Speaker 1: was with McCarthy and Green Bay, so I anticipate those
Speaker 1: guys will have some type of role there. But I
Speaker 1: just think one of the biggest problems I know one
Speaker 1: of the biggest problems between Chris Richard and Rod Baronelli
Speaker 1: is they had different philosophies on how the back and
Speaker 1: the front should work. I remember that Chris Rashard wanted
Speaker 1: to bring in a linebacker coach, but the cowboy said no,
Speaker 1: we got Ben Bloom. You gotta go with Ben Bloom
Speaker 1: and Ben Bloom and get Chris Rashard had issues, So
Speaker 1: right out of the gate, I want to commend the
Speaker 1: Cowboys for at least giving Dan Quinn an opportunity to
Speaker 1: bring in the coaches so he doesn't to coach the coaches.
Speaker 1: And it seemed last year that was a part of
Speaker 1: an issue that I thought Mike McCarthy at the time
Speaker 1: so spoke about when he talked about not having continuity
Speaker 1: at the staff. So at least you're bringing in some
Speaker 1: defensive guys here who have a continuity with the head coach. Any, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's really important, and I really don't think
Speaker 1: that they like really put an emphasis on that since
Speaker 1: they hired Rob Ryan, who was able to bring in
Speaker 1: all of his guys. Like you said, Christian Sharton and
Speaker 1: Rob Marionelli were two guys who are running the defense
Speaker 1: and they didn't really see out of aland certain stuff.
Speaker 1: Rob Marinelli was a rush four, you know, played cover
Speaker 1: one type guy, and Christian shardt was a Cover of
Speaker 1: three type guy with a little bit of disguys. But
Speaker 1: you know, just play your position to make some big
Speaker 1: hits and get some turnover so that they saw things
Speaker 1: a little different. And yeah, shout out to the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: but I don't think they really had a choice. And
Speaker 1: this was because if you just look at the defense
Speaker 1: over the past few years, we hadn't been successful. So
Speaker 1: you have to try something new. And if you really
Speaker 1: want to give dan Quinn a fair shot, you have
Speaker 1: to let him bring his guys in. And you know,
Speaker 1: so he could put those guys in the best position possible.
Speaker 1: And they know him, They knowbody he wants to run,
Speaker 1: they know how he wants to teach it, and that
Speaker 1: can only help these guys, right, so everybody can be
Speaker 1: on the same page, because, like they say, if we
Speaker 1: all right, we're good. If we all wrong, then we're
Speaker 1: still all right. But once you guys, though, once you
Speaker 1: have those guys on different pages and half the secondaries
Speaker 1: planing cover two, half the secondaries plan cover one, then
Speaker 1: you can't be successful in that play. But if you
Speaker 1: have all the guys playing the same thing on every
Speaker 1: single snap, then you have a good chance of being
Speaker 1: successful on defense. What are the most critical hires that
Speaker 1: they made was Harold Nash Jr. Who becomes the strength
Speaker 1: and conditioning coach, and this is, as you guys can
Speaker 1: tell tell all of our our players, lounge listeners, and viewers,
Speaker 1: the strength coach in the off season is one of
Speaker 1: the most important coaches in the entire building Church. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're not lying about that one. I mean, well, first
Speaker 1: and foremost, we met. We met the new strength and
Speaker 1: condition to coach during the offseason when me and McCray
Speaker 1: were in. They're just working out and he's a great dude,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure he will get the most out of
Speaker 1: his players during his strength and condition and process. But
Speaker 1: during the off season, this is the guy you need
Speaker 1: to become best friends with. I mean, this is a
Speaker 1: guy that's gonna put you through everything to get you
Speaker 1: ready for the season. You don't even see your coaches
Speaker 1: for the most part. I mean you might run into
Speaker 1: him in the hallway, or you might you know, see
Speaker 1: him in the in the cafeteria or something like that.
Speaker 1: But the strength and conditioning staff, those are the guys
Speaker 1: you're gonna be with night in and night out, working out,
Speaker 1: doing whatever you gotta do to get ready for the season,
Speaker 1: especially if you're rehabbing. Those are gonna be your best
Speaker 1: friends throughout the whole off season. So you gotta get
Speaker 1: to know this guy, and you gotta get to know
Speaker 1: this guy very soon because when it's when this off
Speaker 1: season program starts picking up. You know, if we don't
Speaker 1: have you know, the COVID protocols and all that stuff,
Speaker 1: once that thing starts picking up, you're gonna need to
Speaker 1: hit that thing full ground running. And I believe they
Speaker 1: got the right guy to do it. Yeah. And like
Speaker 1: Church said, we met him throughout the throughout the off season,
Speaker 1: and he seems like a stand up guy. Man. He
Speaker 1: seemed like he's gonna be great in that position. He
Speaker 1: also has a hell of a track record. Man, he's
Speaker 1: been doing this for a long time around the league.
Speaker 1: And and like you said, he man the strifth coach.
Speaker 1: People don't realize how important that guy is, and the
Speaker 1: guy and the whole strength staff, because there's nobody more
Speaker 1: in tune with improving your performance throughout the off season
Speaker 1: than the strength staff. Right. The coaches, they get you,
Speaker 1: and they have depended on the strip staff to help them,
Speaker 1: I guess, cultivate whatever your weaknesses were that previous season
Speaker 1: or weakness that they see and on film. The strength
Speaker 1: coaches are the guys who they depend on to help
Speaker 1: you improve that. Right, So throughout the whole all season,
Speaker 1: the way that the coaches are communicating with the strength coaches, Hey,
Speaker 1: we need this guy to be able to do this
Speaker 1: better next season. So when training camp comes, it's the
Speaker 1: strip strength coaches job to be able to say, Hey,
Speaker 1: this is what we did, this is how they improve,
Speaker 1: and this is why this player is playing better. He's faster,
Speaker 1: he's bigger, he's stronger this season. So strength coaches are
Speaker 1: probably the most important people as far as to the
Speaker 1: players and their improvement of performance throughout the offseason. I
Speaker 1: got a quick question for both. The quick question, what
Speaker 1: what do you guys think of them not promoting Kendall
Speaker 1: up to the top top strength and conditioning coach. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's been there for a long time. He was under Um,
Speaker 1: he was he was he was under Worstick for the
Speaker 1: for the longest him and Brad Best. I just want
Speaker 1: to know what y'all thought about him not getting promoted
Speaker 1: up to that top strength coach conditioning. Uh yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't listen. I think that's a tough one just because
Speaker 1: Kendall doesn't have as much experience as the guys who
Speaker 1: came before him. I think they are building up his experience,
Speaker 1: and I think he's gonna get some looks as he
Speaker 1: moves on and gains more years with the Cowboys. I
Speaker 1: think his next move would be his best move, and
Speaker 1: I think he'll he'll get a strength coach job wherever
Speaker 1: he goes next. But right now, I think they just
Speaker 1: went with a guy who has more experience in that position.
Speaker 1: You know, right here, just reading the bio for Harold
Speaker 1: Nash junior sixteen seasons in the National Football League, UM,
Speaker 1: you know, the assistant strength and conditioning coach for Marcus
Speaker 1: Paul last year, and you know, talk about just him
Speaker 1: working in Detroit, UM, working for the New England Patriots.
Speaker 1: So he's been around UM. And just like we talked
Speaker 1: about with Big Kat leon Lett not not getting promoted
Speaker 1: to be the D line coach, it's it's tough and
Speaker 1: how do you how do you handle it? We'll see,
Speaker 1: we'll see. But obviously this is a guy that Marcus Paul,
Speaker 1: the late Marcus Paul, God Rest, his soul was grooming.
Speaker 1: And I give the Cowboys credit for this one thing here.
Speaker 1: Obviously they thought that Marcus Paul was grooming him and
Speaker 1: they were comfortable with him and I do think it's
Speaker 1: important to have someone in that position who understands the culture,
Speaker 1: understands the coaching staff, and understands the Jones family. I
Speaker 1: think this would be a tough job for anyone to
Speaker 1: come into who didn't have an understanding of how the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys organization work. Okay, all right. Kellen Moore interviewed
Speaker 1: with the Philadelphia Eagles to become their head coach. He
Speaker 1: did not get the job. The job went to someone
Speaker 1: who has less qualifications than Kellen Moore. The job went
Speaker 1: to a gentleman named Nick Sirianni, who's the Cults offensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore has called plays the last two seasons in
Speaker 1: the National Football League. Sirianni, freshly hired by the Eagles,
Speaker 1: has never called plays. Frank Wright called the plays. But
Speaker 1: because there was this feeling that Carson Wentz has been
Speaker 1: lost since frank Wright left Philadelphia as they offensive coordinated,
Speaker 1: become the Colts head coach. And since they couldn't get
Speaker 1: Frank Reich, they got the closest thing. They got somebody
Speaker 1: who stood next to frank Wright. So this is the
Speaker 1: mindset of the Eagles to hire their next head coach.
Speaker 1: To say you can fix Carson Wentz Okay, Personally, I'm
Speaker 1: not buying this. I'm just not buying it. What about you, mccraig. Listen,
Speaker 1: I'm not buying it. And I think the Eagles are
Speaker 1: in shambles right now. I don't think they really have
Speaker 1: any idea what's going on. And like, I think we
Speaker 1: were texting in our DM and you were saying something
Speaker 1: about Keller Moore getting an interview, and I was like, listen,
Speaker 1: they are interviewing everybody. I mean, just because Keller Moore
Speaker 1: got an interview doesn't mean anything. I think they interviewed
Speaker 1: ten or eleven guys for that job, and uh and
Speaker 1: and most most of the guys had had the feeling
Speaker 1: that they weren't going to get it. They were just
Speaker 1: running through the middle of seeing what it was. And oh,
Speaker 1: I'll be it too. I'm surprised it was a guy
Speaker 1: that nobody expected to get the job for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: I think it's great. I don't I don't know what
Speaker 1: this guy is gonna be as a head coach, but
Speaker 1: I don't think he's going to be a guy that's
Speaker 1: going to be coaching and beating the Cowboys. So for us,
Speaker 1: I think it's great. I don't understand the move. I
Speaker 1: would have you know, I probably would have took the
Speaker 1: chance from Keller Moore because, like you said, he has
Speaker 1: some creative stuff and they want to do something different.
Speaker 1: But you know, what do we know? Man? Like I said,
Speaker 1: we're not gems, We're just we're just talking heads here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm an agreement with all you guys on this one.
Speaker 1: I just don't understand the hire. I'm sure it has
Speaker 1: something to do with Frank right. You know, they get
Speaker 1: given his blessings to the Eagles, saying, you know, this
Speaker 1: is the new up and coming guy even though he
Speaker 1: didn't call plays for me, you know, he was involved
Speaker 1: in the in the game planning process, and this is
Speaker 1: a guy that's gonna fix Carson Wentz and all that
Speaker 1: good stuff. I just don't understand that man, the guy
Speaker 1: he wasn't calling plays, he has less experience than Kellen Moore,
Speaker 1: and not saying Kellen Moore was the best, you know,
Speaker 1: option to hire for the Eagles. But overall, I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel like they're just giving guys that you know
Speaker 1: who got the blessings. If it's Andy Reid got gave
Speaker 1: him his blessings who'll give it to him. If it's
Speaker 1: Frank Wright, who had the best season with Carson Wentz,
Speaker 1: he gave him his blessings for Sceario, so now he's
Speaker 1: the head coach over there. I just I don't get it.
Speaker 1: I don't understand the hiring process these past couple of
Speaker 1: years because you got guys that just haven't they haven't
Speaker 1: done much, but are getting these head coaching jobs. I mean,
Speaker 1: look at Zach Taylor. Look at the guy from Texas
Speaker 1: Tech who's over at Arizona, Cliff Thingsbury. Now, I mean
Speaker 1: these guys they just don't they haven't done that much
Speaker 1: to be able to consider to have a head coaching job.
Speaker 1: But here we are right there ready they're getting their jobs.
Speaker 1: And then you have guys like Eric bn Me who
Speaker 1: they say, you know, don't call the plays or anything
Speaker 1: like that, but I mean he's orchestrating in the offense.
Speaker 1: That's one of the best that we've seen in NFL history,
Speaker 1: and he all he can get his interviews. So for me,
Speaker 1: I just don't understand the hiring process right here. But
Speaker 1: like like mcrai said, it's good for the Cowboys because
Speaker 1: I don't see the Eagles getting out of this dumpster
Speaker 1: fire anytime soon, shout out the shout out the top
Speaker 1: balls and Eric be enemy man. We don't we don't
Speaker 1: understand it. Like at the church, you mentioned that Andy
Speaker 1: Reid giving blessings and that's one blessing that he can give,
Speaker 1: and they still not giving them a head coaching job.
Speaker 1: So it's perplexing to me. And hopefully, hopefully next season
Speaker 1: we start to see a change one of these one
Speaker 1: of these years, we'll start to see a change in
Speaker 1: this stuff. But Tip Bowls orchestrating that defense over there
Speaker 1: in Tampa, and you know what, he had to deal
Speaker 1: with it with the Jets. I think he deserves another
Speaker 1: chance in b Enemy. He absolutely deserves deserves a shot
Speaker 1: because what he's doing up there in Kansas City. They
Speaker 1: are on their way possibly till their second Super Bowl
Speaker 1: in a row. And you're telling me this dude can't
Speaker 1: get ahead coaching job versus some of the guys who
Speaker 1: are getting the currently. It doesn't make sense. Oh well,
Speaker 1: it makes sense, and it's not perplexing. At the end
Speaker 1: of the day, We're watching people get jobs who have
Speaker 1: mediocre resumes, okay, mediocre resumes, and some gentlemen with a
Speaker 1: resume of not much at all here, and you're looking
Speaker 1: at guys and oh, by the way, guess what. They're black.
Speaker 1: They're qualified. They can't find a job. So it used
Speaker 1: to be if you were standing next to Andy Reid,
Speaker 1: oh we bless you. You got it. Matt Nage got it,
Speaker 1: ended up going to Chicago, He's been in the playoffs twice.
Speaker 1: Doug Peterson got it. He ended up going to the
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles and won a Super Bowl. John Harball, once
Speaker 1: worked for Andy Reid, ended up going to Baltimore and
Speaker 1: he won a Super Bowl here. So now we want
Speaker 1: to say this guy's not worthy, but we've had three
Speaker 1: other people come from Andy Reid's treat and this guy
Speaker 1: was a part of the only super Bowl winning team
Speaker 1: and he's ever had. It's been a part of Patrick
Speaker 1: Mahomes's career. Patrick Mahomes has put is going on on
Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame pace. He's won an MVP. Patrick
Speaker 1: Mahomes has said Eric Bienemy is ready. You ready said
Speaker 1: Eric b Enemy is ready. This speaks so much to
Speaker 1: me of what happened to Tony Dungey. When Tony Dungee
Speaker 1: was in Minnesota, was coordinating defenses, for Denny Green that
Speaker 1: were number one in the league. And then we heard,
Speaker 1: oh Tony doesn't interview. Well really, okay, look, I'm not
Speaker 1: buying it. I'm not buying it. The guys got the resume,
Speaker 1: and yet you watch someone like Brandon Staley get the
Speaker 1: Chargers job after spending one year as a coordinator in
Speaker 1: the National Football League, albeit a very good year, but
Speaker 1: he spent one years a coordinator National Football League. I
Speaker 1: believe he's got four total years of experience in the NFL.
Speaker 1: And these are guys who haven't even played in the league. Okay,
Speaker 1: Sirianni and played the league. Brandon Stanley in the Rams,
Speaker 1: he didn't play in the league. These dudes are under
Speaker 1: forty years old. Here's Eric Binny, a guy who played
Speaker 1: in the National Football League, has coached in the National
Speaker 1: Football League for years, has been right there with ad Reid.
Speaker 1: And now we say, yeah, man, you ain't called and
Speaker 1: you ain't good enough. And when you ask yourself what's
Speaker 1: the difference, the difference is not in the resume. He's
Speaker 1: got a better resume. The difference we see out and
Speaker 1: out screams you, is the color of his skin. You
Speaker 1: want to tell me, I'm wrong. Go ahead, go ahead,
Speaker 1: but please tell me what the differences are when we
Speaker 1: watch people with listen, small resumes get jobs over people
Speaker 1: with real qualifications. I'm I'm definitely not gonna tell you wrong.
Speaker 1: I think you're absolutely right, and I'm gonna throw this
Speaker 1: shot out there. If you want to talk about nine
Speaker 1: interviewing Will, I would love to see the interview for
Speaker 1: the guy who just got hired for the Detroit Lions
Speaker 1: because it came out talking about bite kneecaps and doing
Speaker 1: all type of crazy stuff. Did he says? Is this
Speaker 1: the type of stuff that he said? Because this will happen, right,
Speaker 1: so you got you got Sele We went to the
Speaker 1: Jets and he says, all gas, no brakes. That is perfect,
Speaker 1: especially for what we're doing now right that that sounds
Speaker 1: like it's something that can work as a monster for
Speaker 1: your team. When you talk about, man and we get
Speaker 1: kicked down on the way up, we're gonna start bitingknee
Speaker 1: caps or ankles. That that just doesn't make sense. But
Speaker 1: I know that's not the first time he said it,
Speaker 1: and I know that's like the way that he talks
Speaker 1: when he's doing these interviews and he's trying to show
Speaker 1: how hype he can get. And you're telling me that
Speaker 1: that's an interview that can get you hired. And I've
Speaker 1: seen the enemy duer interview when he was talking about
Speaker 1: not being hired and him focusing on what he can
Speaker 1: do now for the Kansas City Chiefs and winning the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. He looked a hundred times better than the
Speaker 1: dude from Detroit as far as the interview. And so
Speaker 1: that doesn't make sense to me. Yeah, don't make sense
Speaker 1: to me either. The guy from Detroit, I mean he
Speaker 1: sounded like a professional wrestler. I mean, like you said
Speaker 1: the Mac, he was out there talking about when we
Speaker 1: get up, we're taking knee caps with us, we're giving
Speaker 1: ankle holes. I'm like, come on, man, you're you gotta
Speaker 1: be a professional here. You're getting inducted as as a
Speaker 1: head coach of the Detroit Lions. Are you talking about
Speaker 1: bitingnes and getting knocked out? Man? Like mccrai said, this
Speaker 1: is all perplexing to me. I'm not I don't understand
Speaker 1: why the enemy who, like the people say, and he
Speaker 1: does an interview, well, but I mean he wins, he wins,
Speaker 1: and he's in a culture where you have he's cultivated
Speaker 1: one of the best quarterbacks, one of the starts of
Speaker 1: the best quarterbacks we've ever seen in Patrick Mahomes. So
Speaker 1: for me, I, you know, like I said, it's a
Speaker 1: head scratcher, but hopefully he gets his opportunity soon before
Speaker 1: we go away, before before we go answer this question
Speaker 1: for me, what because I'm having a hard time understanding
Speaker 1: what it means and you probably know more about it
Speaker 1: than I do. When when when they say not they
Speaker 1: don't interview will, do you have any idea of what
Speaker 1: they mean, like they not talk to the to the
Speaker 1: owner and GM right, or they're not able to piece
Speaker 1: together full sentences, like what do they mean when they
Speaker 1: say they're not interviewing Will? This is a lie, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's all it is. Since this is the lie to
Speaker 1: get you out of saying, well, we would hire the
Speaker 1: guy we didn't like it. So the easiest lie I
Speaker 1: can tell you, which is something you can't dispute, is
Speaker 1: to say, oh, he didn't interview well, and you're not
Speaker 1: going to say exactly what it was wrong because you're
Speaker 1: gonna pret the guy. But that's the easy lie. That's
Speaker 1: a comfortable lie you can get out of saying that
Speaker 1: somebody wasn't who you were going to hire, and you
Speaker 1: just trying to take the heat off yourself, and you're
Speaker 1: also trying to quote unquote protect the person. So this,
Speaker 1: once again, this is the lie. They said that about
Speaker 1: Tony Dungee. This is the lie. And one of the
Speaker 1: things about Tony Dungee I laughed at too when he
Speaker 1: was trying to get head coaching jobs. There were people saying, well,
Speaker 1: there's not enough emotion coming from Tony Dungee that we
Speaker 1: think a head coach should have. And here's why I
Speaker 1: always say, I thought that was absolutely hilariously and funny.
Speaker 1: Who did Tony Dungee play for win a Super Bowl?
Speaker 1: For Chuck Nole? Chuck Nole was not a raw ra guy.
Speaker 1: Tom Landry was not a raw Rai guy. So it's
Speaker 1: interesting to see how are the goal posts move, what
Speaker 1: are we using against the candidate, and what are we
Speaker 1: using to prop one guy up? So if we say
Speaker 1: one guy doesn't interview, well, then we're gonna say that, well,
Speaker 1: this one particular guy has energy, and this one particular
Speaker 1: guy has bright, innovative things. So um, these are the
Speaker 1: code words that people use um to say, we're not
Speaker 1: going to hire a guy is oh he didn't interview. Well,
Speaker 1: so there you go. That's that's how it works here.
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell did cut a WrestleMania promo. Okay, you know, man,
Speaker 1: Randy Savage would have been very proud of what Dan Campbell.
Speaker 1: But but let me say this, by the way, Rustlemania
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Speaker 1: UH as a tight end for Bill Parcels and also
Speaker 1: helped Jason Witten as a rookie, UH learn the ropes
Speaker 1: in the National Football League. I don't question Dan's energy
Speaker 1: or desire to be good. Um that he's going to
Speaker 1: push people, He's going to demand excellence. Dan is that
Speaker 1: kind of guy. But obviously you guys played in the
Speaker 1: league and you know, um that raw ross stuff doesn't work.
Speaker 1: What works is do you have information? Can you make
Speaker 1: guys get better? We see that with a guy like
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick. You know you're gonna can you teach me
Speaker 1: and coach me and get me better, get me a
Speaker 1: decided advantage on Sundays. That's what has to come out there.
Speaker 1: But you know I'm rooting for Dan said I like Dan,
Speaker 1: but look at the end of the day, here's the
Speaker 1: guy who's a tight ends coach in New Orleans who
Speaker 1: didn't call the plays. We all know Sean calls the plays.
Speaker 1: So that's where, once again, you say to yourself, how
Speaker 1: is that a guy who's a tight ends coach and
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell can get a job. How can a guy
Speaker 1: who's a special team's coach and Joe Judge get a job.
Speaker 1: But you sit up here and you look at the
Speaker 1: resume of an Eric b enemy and you say, this
Speaker 1: guy can't get a job. That is the frustrating thing
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Speaker 1: also have to make our picks for the playoffs, and
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Speaker 1: let's talk about some of the other coaching openings that
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Speaker 1: I'm here in town. Churches is out there there, Galivan
Speaker 1: across the country living a life like he's golden baby,
Speaker 1: you know, living at life man, and I love it.
Speaker 1: Shout out the side were living. Absolutely. I've got to
Speaker 1: come to you for for what shot con recently did
Speaker 1: he hired urban Meyer, who's a legend in that area,
Speaker 1: because that the Jacksonville's Gator Country, Florida Gator Country here.
Speaker 1: So um, he said he was done coaching health issues,
Speaker 1: but he decided to come on back and here he's
Speaker 1: making about twelve million a year. So they've got the
Speaker 1: number one pick, plenty of count money. Danny, what do
Speaker 1: you think about urban Meyer coaching the Jacksonville Jaguars. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm throwing at the church. That's he shot comes guy,
Speaker 1: Go ahead, I mean I want your take, I want
Speaker 1: everyone's take here. So I'm gonna start with you first.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Dad Church Church will give us the big
Speaker 1: finale ending on all this. He'll put the bow on. Listen, listen.
Speaker 1: I think I think for Jacksonville, I think it's okay. Well,
Speaker 1: like I said, like I said last week, the only
Speaker 1: thing that I worry about with Irban Myers his health.
Speaker 1: A lot of times you see him like if they
Speaker 1: have videos of a guy bending over rubbing his head.
Speaker 1: He's getting these serious headaches, and you just don't know
Speaker 1: how much he's able to focus on being able to
Speaker 1: run an NFL football team for the first time while
Speaker 1: also dealing with his health issues and word about his family,
Speaker 1: because majority of the time when he left, that's what
Speaker 1: he pointed out, my health and need the word about
Speaker 1: being with my family and being here from my family.
Speaker 1: So that's the only word I have. I think he'll
Speaker 1: be able to run a successful offense, especially he'll get
Speaker 1: a college guy and he'll be able to kind of
Speaker 1: shape his offense around what that guy is able to do.
Speaker 1: You see him be able to be successful at Florida
Speaker 1: at Ohio State. So I think offensively they'll be good.
Speaker 1: They need to hire somebody who can who can help
Speaker 1: them defensively and shout out to my guy Joe D.
Speaker 1: Camillus who just left, So they're going to need a
Speaker 1: replacement special team coach guy because Joe D. Camillis is
Speaker 1: one of the best in the business. So they just
Speaker 1: lost a very important piece of their coaching organization, so
Speaker 1: that he needs some pieces. But I think he could
Speaker 1: be successful as long as his health is okay. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I think the higher of Urban Meyer. I
Speaker 1: think it was a very solid I think it was
Speaker 1: a good hire one. It'll bring a lot of energy.
Speaker 1: It'll bring a lot of juice to that town in Jacksonville, because,
Speaker 1: like you said, Nie, that's it's a college town. It's
Speaker 1: an sec ACC type of town, and when you bring
Speaker 1: a guy like urban Meyer in, who is basically a
Speaker 1: college Hall of Fame type of type of coach, it's
Speaker 1: gonna bring some juice to the organization. So I think
Speaker 1: in that regards it was a good hire. The only
Speaker 1: thing that kind of I have questions about with urban
Speaker 1: Meyer is how invested is he gonna be in this team.
Speaker 1: I know he's making twelve million dollars. I know he
Speaker 1: has all these picks and he has the first he
Speaker 1: has the first pick in each round, and he can
Speaker 1: bring his own type of system to get his own
Speaker 1: team there. But how invested is he gonna because if
Speaker 1: we like we know the health issues are there, and
Speaker 1: I feel like when things aren't going too well, when
Speaker 1: things are starting to go on the down slide, when
Speaker 1: things are getting a little bit slippery, I feel like
Speaker 1: Urban Meyer Bell's out. Man. I feel like when it
Speaker 1: was at Florida when they once Tim Tebow was gone
Speaker 1: and they lost all those guys, and Percy Harve and
Speaker 1: and all those guys were gone, and Florida was starting
Speaker 1: to go down a little bit. They were reaching those
Speaker 1: SEC title games as much he bowled out of there.
Speaker 1: And then when he went to OSU, they were a
Speaker 1: loaded team, they were stacked. He took them to the
Speaker 1: to the national championship, Zeke Elliott and all those boys,
Speaker 1: and once they started going down, I mean he bailed
Speaker 1: it out as well. I mean he said, you know,
Speaker 1: health issues and all that. But you know, I just
Speaker 1: don't know how invested he's gonna be in this team
Speaker 1: if things start to get a little rocky down there,
Speaker 1: if he if he treats these teams like a college team,
Speaker 1: because because that's the main difference when you're coming from
Speaker 1: college to NFL. You're dealing with grown men. These men
Speaker 1: have kids out there. These men are paying bills, and
Speaker 1: they're making a lot more money, well most of some
Speaker 1: of them, and make a lot more money than you
Speaker 1: will be as a head coach. So for me, it's
Speaker 1: just how does he handle the transition of coaching guys
Speaker 1: in the NFL because it's a lot different than college,
Speaker 1: And how invested is he gonna be in with these
Speaker 1: guys in the long haul if things start to get rocky,
Speaker 1: if things start to get shaky and people start pointing
Speaker 1: the fingers at him. So we'll see. Hopefully it's a
Speaker 1: good hire and hopefully he's able to bring Jacksonville back
Speaker 1: on the map. Obviously, the church behind me and got
Speaker 1: two what's happening ahead? Church? Church? One thing you said,
Speaker 1: one thing you said. Listen, Irbert Meyer was getting up
Speaker 1: out of little schools. Once those improper uh improper conduct
Speaker 1: violation started coming down, man, urban started getting out. I
Speaker 1: didn't want to say. I didn't want to say it, dude,
Speaker 1: I didn't want to say. I didn't want to say
Speaker 1: thank you, So impossible, POSI was coming down, Like I said,
Speaker 1: they started to get low, rocky, they started getting little shaky,
Speaker 1: they get Lottle Rocky, they start pointing fingers. Hey, my boys,
Speaker 1: I'm out of here. You ain't gonna catch me. My
Speaker 1: heart hurt, my heart hurt. I gotta go, heart hurt,
Speaker 1: out of here. I got these prescriptions, man, I gotta go.
Speaker 1: I've got this library behind me here, and I've I've
Speaker 1: read two books about Urban myr one he actually will
Speaker 1: h I'm not a fan of the dude, but I
Speaker 1: am a fan of his leadership and his ability to
Speaker 1: build an organization. And Danny you and I know that
Speaker 1: it's about organizations, and Barry you played in that organization,
Speaker 1: and that's that's the thing to me where I believe
Speaker 1: they need. You were there where Tom Coflin he was
Speaker 1: supposed to be the vice president, but to me, he
Speaker 1: seemed like he was trying to be the head coach
Speaker 1: of Doug Maron and then he had the GM David Carwell.
Speaker 1: I just always thought there was a bad organization going
Speaker 1: on there in Jacksonville. So if you've now said Urban
Speaker 1: Meyer's on top and he's going to run things, to me,
Speaker 1: I think that's the first thing Jacksonville needed, is that
Speaker 1: everybody needed to be on the same page. And I
Speaker 1: think Urban Myer can do that, which he's done at Utah,
Speaker 1: he did it at Florida, he did it Ohio State.
Speaker 1: If he can do that at Jacksonville, that right there
Speaker 1: alone is going to help the organization because I just
Speaker 1: felt like you never knew where this team was going
Speaker 1: und percent right. I mean when Tom Coughlin was out
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Speaker 1: the head coach, and he was, you know, he's pointing
Speaker 1: everything around, getting everything situated, but you always had Coughlin
Speaker 1: literally right over his shoulder writing in a notebook, just like, hmm,
Speaker 1: I don't like that. I don't like that. And then
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Speaker 1: not respect Moron as much because they were thinking, you know, basically,
Speaker 1: we're gonna go to Tom Coughlin if we need something solved.
Speaker 1: And I think that was kind of the problem here
Speaker 1: in Dallas as well. I mean, you had that pipeline
Speaker 1: from the players straight to the owner and Jerry, and
Speaker 1: they would kind of overstep jg they would kind of
Speaker 1: overstep McCarthy. So to me, that's a big problem. But
Speaker 1: if Jacksonville they give all the rights to Myra where
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Speaker 1: with black assistant coaches. And I had several conversations with people,
Speaker 1: and here's their criticism of the head coach of the
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh teel was, who is black, That Mike Tomlin has
Speaker 1: never hired a coordinator of color, That Mike Tomlin, who
Speaker 1: works for organization that does not fire its head coaches,
Speaker 1: a man who has won a Super Bowl, who is
Speaker 1: as securi as you can get in the National Football League,
Speaker 1: has ever done his part in terms of trying to
Speaker 1: help promote and put people in the pipeline. Okay, so
Speaker 1: when you see coaches who were black get head coaching jobs.
Speaker 1: They get them because they're coordinators. Okay, you don't see,
Speaker 1: you don't see. You don't see coaches of color go
Speaker 1: from tight end coach to head coach or special team's coach.
Speaker 1: You don't see that. Okay. Now, Robert sala Arab American
Speaker 1: who just got the job of the Jets, he was
Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator. Okay, Todd Bowles when he got the
Speaker 1: job with the Jets, he was a coordinator. Anthony Lynn,
Speaker 1: you know the same thing. He was a coordinator before
Speaker 1: he got the Chargers job. So when you don't have
Speaker 1: coordinators and you're of color, it's hard to get a job.
Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin now has an offensive coordinator's job, and there
Speaker 1: are guys looking at him saying, Mike t what are
Speaker 1: you going to do? And that's within his own community
Speaker 1: black assistant coaches looking at the Steelers head coach and
Speaker 1: wondering is he caring about trying to help other people
Speaker 1: in the same fashion in which he got help to
Speaker 1: get the job with the Pittsburgh's teams. Danny your thoughts, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna hate on Mike Tomlin. I don't know
Speaker 1: who was who was available for these coordinator jobs. I
Speaker 1: would have to do a little bit more research on it.
Speaker 1: One thing I do know about Mike Tomlin is as
Speaker 1: far as looking out for the black players, he is
Speaker 1: the guy I've seen him connect with with guys and
Speaker 1: do podcasts and mentor a lot of the young black
Speaker 1: players to make sure that they're they're doing the right things,
Speaker 1: giving them second chances, giving them third chances. I e.
Speaker 1: Dwayne Haskins, who he's gonna take under his wing, who
Speaker 1: I thought who should never get another job for what
Speaker 1: he did to around a very his staff. So you know,
Speaker 1: you know, as far as that goes, I know he's
Speaker 1: looking out for for the young black athletes. Um as
Speaker 1: far as him hiring offensive and defensive coordinators of color,
Speaker 1: I think that's something that I would have to do
Speaker 1: a little bit more research on. But you know, I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not gonna throw him under the bus because
Speaker 1: I think he has he has earned the right for
Speaker 1: us to give him a benefit of the doubts. So
Speaker 1: I think he'll make something work, and if it hasn't,
Speaker 1: I'm sure you have some type of reason for it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give him the benefit as well. Like mccrai said,
Speaker 1: he is the players coach. I mean, he's the ultimate
Speaker 1: players coach, even if you're on other teams. I went
Speaker 1: against him twice in the playoffs and he has done
Speaker 1: nothing but the most respect for any player out there.
Speaker 1: So I gotta give him on that one. But overall,
Speaker 1: I mean, he is in a position of power to
Speaker 1: go ahead and elevate you know, some some coaches of
Speaker 1: color into the right spots, and he has not done
Speaker 1: that yet. So, like mccraiy said, I got to do
Speaker 1: a little bit more research on this one. I gotta
Speaker 1: make sure before I go out there on a tangent
Speaker 1: that you know, he hasn't you know, interviewed guys, or
Speaker 1: he hasn't done this and that in the third So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do a little bit more research on it.
Speaker 1: But I'm willing to give him the benefit of the
Speaker 1: doubt because he's always seemed to be a players coach,
Speaker 1: especially when it comes to the African American community. And
Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger probably has some say so in those offensive
Speaker 1: coordinated jobs too, so he's probably he didn't want USA. Nah,
Speaker 1: we need this guy, nah, and Nat natm this is
Speaker 1: not the guy we need. I told you I need
Speaker 1: this guy right here. I really put a past Big
Speaker 1: Ben on that one. Well, Big then was obviously a
Speaker 1: guy who was instrumentally running off Todd Haley. And you
Speaker 1: know what, they have not been able to find playoffs
Speaker 1: success in Pittsburgh a wild now. In fact, since they
Speaker 1: lost that championship Super Bowl super Bowl forty five to
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy and the Packers, it's been it's been playoff
Speaker 1: disappointments for the Steelers year in and year out. As
Speaker 1: far as Ben Roethlisberger's, hey, look, I think they need
Speaker 1: to go ahead and move on. He's due forty one
Speaker 1: million dollars next year. Who dollars? And if anything with
Speaker 1: his arm, yes, and if you saw his arm to me,
Speaker 1: his arm was looking just like Philip Rivers arm was,
Speaker 1: and like Drew Brees's arm. They do. They ain't got
Speaker 1: no fastball in it no more. Okay, people are able
Speaker 1: to hit that thing. He's not that guy. And if
Speaker 1: you're going to have a guy who can't throw it
Speaker 1: down the field like he used to, you better have
Speaker 1: a running game. And they don't have a running game.
Speaker 1: The Pittsburgh Steels, in my opinion, would be wise to
Speaker 1: move on from Big because look, once it goes, it's
Speaker 1: hard to get back. I mean, it was sad watching
Speaker 1: Drew Brees against Tampa back because Top Bowls was just like, dude,
Speaker 1: you're not about to beat us deep, so we're just
Speaker 1: gonna press your receivers. We're gonna make it hard for you.
Speaker 1: And there was nothing he could do. Sean Payton, if anything,
Speaker 1: in that football game, should have pulled James Winston actually
Speaker 1: saw James. I mean you should have put in James
Speaker 1: Winson because you saw James hit that big touchdown pass.
Speaker 1: It was clear James could throw the ball down the field.
Speaker 1: And maybe it was his sentiment and trying to say,
Speaker 1: I don't want I want Drew Brees to go out
Speaker 1: on top. I want to hurt his feelings. But Drew
Speaker 1: Brees was not effective in that football game. You guys
Speaker 1: are dbs. You saw that dude had nothing for them.
Speaker 1: They were just sitting back there on these rounds. Hold on,
Speaker 1: Yeast Payton. Sean Payton almost pulled a killing more in
Speaker 1: that game, though. Man, I think we should have saw
Speaker 1: a little bit more of Alvi Kamar. And I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you this, Michael Thomas was getting clamped down. We
Speaker 1: could blame a lot of it on Drew mister Sam,
Speaker 1: Michael Thomas, mister slamp. He was not open. He was
Speaker 1: not I do not care what no. If you watch
Speaker 1: them and how they played him, they played those short routes,
Speaker 1: they jumped them, they got they got their hands on
Speaker 1: them on the line of scrimmage, and they messed up
Speaker 1: to timing. And that is what Drew Brees is best at, man,
Speaker 1: those timming routes to him and Michael Thomas. And once
Speaker 1: they took that away and you didn't get Camar the ball,
Speaker 1: they had no shot at it. So Drew Brees didn't
Speaker 1: look like the Drew Brees that we know. But I'm
Speaker 1: putting some of that on Sean Payton and of course
Speaker 1: number one, one three because he was getting clamped down,
Speaker 1: like you know, I'm not even gonna get him. My
Speaker 1: man's nineteen and I love I love him Ark Coop.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to get the ball. Ball. Leave Cooper
Speaker 1: up out of the ball, give him the ball, man,
Speaker 1: that's all. I just want him to get the ball
Speaker 1: more like I wanted Camaro to get the ball more
Speaker 1: in this playoff game. But like I said, Tod Bows
Speaker 1: went out there and his defensive game plan was amazing.
Speaker 1: You know that he wasn't gonna let him be theim
Speaker 1: for the third time this season. They didn't let that happen.
Speaker 1: And oh knew it, Devin White. Did you see Devin
Speaker 1: White out there? That LSU product, the product of LSU.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, man, he changed the entire game. And
Speaker 1: you remember he missed the previous playoff game and they
Speaker 1: looked a little different. But when he came back, he
Speaker 1: was an instant game changer for the Twa Bay Bucks
Speaker 1: against the New Orleans Saints. Look, the Bucks, the Bucks
Speaker 1: have The Bucks have something right now. You know they're there.
Speaker 1: You got a quarterback which the guys believe in, and
Speaker 1: you got a defense right now in top top Bulls
Speaker 1: is putting it on folks right now. So um, you know,
Speaker 1: props to them. And for New Orleans. It's interesting because
Speaker 1: certain coaches get get a lot of blame for playoff failures,
Speaker 1: and certain coaches, you know, get get passes. And here's
Speaker 1: another playoff game in which the Saints are favored at
Speaker 1: home and they don't get the job done. They didn't
Speaker 1: get it done against Tampa Bay and then the year before,
Speaker 1: remember Kirk Cousins in Minnesota, they came into that building
Speaker 1: and won a game. And then the year before that,
Speaker 1: it was a bad call by the rest, but they
Speaker 1: ended up losing the NFC Championship game at home to
Speaker 1: the Rams. And then the year before that they had
Speaker 1: that Minneapolis miracle and with Steps called it in, it
Speaker 1: ran in the end zone. I mean, you you guys
Speaker 1: have played in this league and you know it's hard
Speaker 1: to get in this position, but they've been able to
Speaker 1: get in this position. And you talk about four straight
Speaker 1: years of some really really bad heartbreaks, but for some reason,
Speaker 1: you know, the head coach has has been able to
Speaker 1: get a pass on these um and this looks like
Speaker 1: it's probably going to be the end of this run
Speaker 1: for the New Orleans Saints. I don't see Drew Brees
Speaker 1: coming back. They've got serious cap issues. It looks like
Speaker 1: twenty one is going to be a rebuilding year for
Speaker 1: that organization. Yeah, without a doubt. I mean, they got
Speaker 1: they're losing more to Breeze. They got. You know that
Speaker 1: that free safety Marcus Williams back there. He's probably gonna
Speaker 1: be a high, high free agent commodity coming out there.
Speaker 1: It's gonna cost them allowed to keep him. They mean
Speaker 1: Jack Rabbit on the outside. I mean they got some pieces,
Speaker 1: and you write new I think they're gonna be a
Speaker 1: rebuilding year because it's gonna be tough. I don't see them,
Speaker 1: you know, especially with Tom Brady and that division next year.
Speaker 1: I don't see New Orleans doing much. Man, Hey, let
Speaker 1: me tell you, so you talk about Jack Rabber. You
Speaker 1: see how they schemed up Jack Rabbit their games they did.
Speaker 1: You got to pick six the first time they played,
Speaker 1: and then they ran the exact same route with the
Speaker 1: exact same person hitting with a double move and they
Speaker 1: got my man down there for like a forty yard game. Man,
Speaker 1: they schemed up a man Jack Rabbit. Yeah. But I
Speaker 1: think the Saints they are going to be in some
Speaker 1: kind of a rebuilding mode. But I'm not gonna couch
Speaker 1: Sean Payton now for being able to compete in the
Speaker 1: NFC South. I think I think they'll still be a competitor.
Speaker 1: They just won't look the same as they've looked in
Speaker 1: previous years, which could be a good thing because they've
Speaker 1: been good in the regular season and not so good
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. So maybe they're flipping around and barely
Speaker 1: barely get into the playoffs and have a really good
Speaker 1: playoff run. All right, um, let's let's dive here into
Speaker 1: some some playoff games here. Last week, Church, you were
Speaker 1: owing four. You pick the Rams to win twenty four seventeen.
Speaker 1: That didn't happen. You picked ball some More to beat
Speaker 1: Buffalo twenty eight twenty four, that didn't happen. You picked
Speaker 1: Cleveland the upset Kansas City twenty four twenty one, and
Speaker 1: you picked the Saints to beat Tampa Bay thirty one twice.
Speaker 1: That is over four. Man, it's the Alta two. I'm
Speaker 1: here in Colorado, the Alta twoe. Man messes with you. Man,
Speaker 1: you talk about horrible, You talk about I was playoff
Speaker 1: pe out here. I'm out here looking terrible. Man. This
Speaker 1: is Meanwhile, Meanwhile, McCray was unbeaten. He picked Green Bay, Buffalo,
Speaker 1: Kansas City, and Tampa Bay to win. He was four
Speaker 1: and oh no, no, no, no, no no no, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna take that. I'm not gonna take that. New Year.
Speaker 1: I think you switched up me and Churches and uh picks.
Speaker 1: I think Church pick Tampa to win because I picked
Speaker 1: the one right, I pick thirty one thirty one twenty eight.
Speaker 1: So I got that as an X. This ain't the
Speaker 1: first time. This ain't the first time I've been swindled. No,
Speaker 1: you're trying to get the fifth out of here, getting
Speaker 1: me oh and four? I wanted three. Mutter you was, yeah,
Speaker 1: used one in three, use one in three albums, three
Speaker 1: out of four. I'm eight. I'm eight. I'm eight out
Speaker 1: of eleven over the entire playoffs. So your record is horrible.
Speaker 1: It's bad. It's bad. But I ain't go I ain't
Speaker 1: go out like the Detroit Lions and sixteen and I
Speaker 1: got one victory in there, got one. I got out.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Marionelli. I was I was two and oh.
Speaker 1: So all right, we've got two games, two and old.
Speaker 1: We got two games? How you was two and old?
Speaker 1: I said, I was two and two. Now you just
Speaker 1: said two and over, bro, he definitely said I was
Speaker 1: two and two and try. I'm sorry, it's right, there's
Speaker 1: two two and two. I had. I had Green Bay.
Speaker 1: I had Green Bay, who won, Baltimore who lost? Kansas City?
Speaker 1: Who won? In New Orleans? Who who? Who lost? I
Speaker 1: was two and two? So I was talking to so moving.
Speaker 1: So this week we got Tampa Bay at green Bay.
Speaker 1: Green Bay is a three and a half point favorite church.
Speaker 1: Who you got, man, Look, I'm gonna go ahead and
Speaker 1: go with Green Bay on this one. I think the
Speaker 1: only people that I used to playing in the coal
Speaker 1: for Tampa Bay or Tom Brady and Gradkowski. So those
Speaker 1: Florida boys going up there, I don't see him doing
Speaker 1: much success up there. So I'm gonna go Green Bay
Speaker 1: thirty one, Tampa Bay twenty one. Yeah, I got Green
Speaker 1: Bay thirty to twenty four. I think Aaron Rodgers had
Speaker 1: something to prove for the performance that he put on
Speaker 1: that first time that they played Bowls had his number
Speaker 1: and they didn't look very well. Um, So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go with Green Bay thirty twenty four. Give me Tampa
Speaker 1: Bay to go on the road and win it twenty
Speaker 1: three to twenty. Tom Brady goes there, and you know,
Speaker 1: let me look, there's just something about this guy. You know,
Speaker 1: he spent so much, so much of his career playing
Speaker 1: in these title games. And I remember two years ago
Speaker 1: when they went to Kansas City. I didn't think there
Speaker 1: was any way they were gonna win the game, and
Speaker 1: Kansas City had him and then Frank Clark jumped outside
Speaker 1: and we all know the rest of the story here.
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay wins this, they become the first team to
Speaker 1: ever play in their home stadium at the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go with Tampa Bay to pull off
Speaker 1: a close upset twenty three twenty at Lambo Field. Better Javelle,
Speaker 1: you better keep JaVale Dean off of DeVante Adams. I
Speaker 1: know that you're gonna be in for a long game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's gonna it's gonna look ugly. But I mean, let
Speaker 1: me ask y'all question, y'all think if Aaron Rodgers loses
Speaker 1: this game, y'all think that hurts his legacy at all
Speaker 1: as one of the greatest ever? Do it? Okay? No
Speaker 1: about you? Mac first bat, first ballot, first ballot, Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame first ballot. Yeah, I think he'll be first ballot. Um.
Speaker 1: I think it'll do more for boosting up Tom Brady's
Speaker 1: legacy than than taken away from Aaron Rodgers. I think
Speaker 1: he's still gonna be be the guy. But for him
Speaker 1: to lose the first championship hosting home game, I think
Speaker 1: that that would really suck for him. But Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: still Aaron Rodgers no matter if he loses and wins
Speaker 1: this game. We can the eye test tells us everything
Speaker 1: we need to know about this guy. Ok. I just
Speaker 1: think Todd Bowles is gonna his defense is gonna be tough.
Speaker 1: With just just one receiver. You know you're gonna need
Speaker 1: you know, this is where had they taken to Jordan
Speaker 1: Jefferson in the draft instead of taking the quarterback love,
Speaker 1: then then I don't that had been something to see.
Speaker 1: But I just don't think one receiver is going to
Speaker 1: be able to go out here and take down this
Speaker 1: Tie Bowls defense. I just, oh, we saw what we saw,
Speaker 1: what they did to Michael Thomas last week, and so
Speaker 1: I'm expecting Tampa Bay's defense to come defense travels expecting
Speaker 1: to be good. I think I listen for as much
Speaker 1: slack as they got about not drafting help for Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers in the first round last year. I think that
Speaker 1: the Green Bay Receiving Corps is better than the New
Speaker 1: Orleans Receiving Corps. I think they have more weapons. I
Speaker 1: think Valdare Scantling and DeVante Adams. I think those guys
Speaker 1: have been making plays and they've earned the right to
Speaker 1: say that they are formidable receiving corps. This year. Not
Speaker 1: DeVante Adams is the star guy. But these other guys
Speaker 1: have been making plays all seasons, so I'm not I
Speaker 1: don't want to take nothing away from them to say
Speaker 1: that they only got one receiver. The other guys can
Speaker 1: play ball as well. And I think they're gonna show
Speaker 1: up one because they're playing out there in the snow
Speaker 1: a lambo and you got a team from Florida coming
Speaker 1: up to the play, you know, up there and to
Speaker 1: snow and those fluris, and it's gonna be a little
Speaker 1: different from them. So they're gonna have to get that
Speaker 1: running game going. But Aaron Rodgers show last last week
Speaker 1: that they're prepared to play up there in Lambeaux. All right,
Speaker 1: it's on tape. That's the thing. We got it on
Speaker 1: Take now, how wrong or right I am? Next week,
Speaker 1: Buffalo travels to Kansas City. Kansas City is at three
Speaker 1: point favorite. Patrick Mahomes has been a concussion protocol here Church.
Speaker 1: Where are you going? Man? I'm gonna go with my
Speaker 1: heart on this one simply because I just don't I
Speaker 1: don't particularly care for Kansas City or Patrick Mahomes Man.
Speaker 1: Nothing against him personally, I just I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: just is just how he steps on the field with
Speaker 1: his head off sideways like I'm just too do it
Speaker 1: for y'all. Let me let me go ahead and throw
Speaker 1: this no look pad, you know, Steph Curry. How how
Speaker 1: he's chewing on his mouth beast. I am hating. I
Speaker 1: am hating right now. I'm hating, and I admit it.
Speaker 1: I'm hating it because it's nothing. Personally, I just don't
Speaker 1: I just you know, don't don't care for the team
Speaker 1: or him. But overall, I'm you know, it's the church
Speaker 1: and it's the hair's That's what it is. That's what
Speaker 1: it is. It's curly, is flowing. He got the little
Speaker 1: highlights on there. I mean, he had his head throws
Speaker 1: to the side when he gets on the field. Just
Speaker 1: a couple of things that, you know, just kind of
Speaker 1: just kind of poke holes at me. But overall, man,
Speaker 1: I hope Buffalo pools this one out. I hope they do.
Speaker 1: I hope Josh Allen steps up steffund did. I hope
Speaker 1: they go up there in Kansas City and they put
Speaker 1: a beat down on him. I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: gonna happen for sure, but I'm hoping so so I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go Buffalo twenty eight Kansas City twenty seven. Okay, Church, listen,
Speaker 1: we are on the same page this week, bro, because
Speaker 1: I got Buffalo thirty five Kansas City thirty one. I
Speaker 1: think that this is Buffalo's year. They they've been playing well,
Speaker 1: and they would have been even better if it wasn't
Speaker 1: for that Hill Murray pass that they gave up against
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins. I think that changed the season for him
Speaker 1: and helped them out. But they would have been even
Speaker 1: an even better team with that if they hadn't had
Speaker 1: that one loss. But I think that Josh Allen is
Speaker 1: playing outstanding cold easily Diggs is playing outstanding in their defense.
Speaker 1: I think they're going to be able to do something
Speaker 1: with Patrick Mahomes and them. They not, let me tell
Speaker 1: you something, Kansas City is not going to be able
Speaker 1: to come out and play slow like they've been doing
Speaker 1: in previous playoff games and beat this Buffalo Bills team.
Speaker 1: So I think the Buffalo gets this win and they
Speaker 1: go to the super Bowl. Shout out to McDermott. All Right,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna be the lone wolf this week. I'll
Speaker 1: be the lone wolf this week, and I'm going to
Speaker 1: assume Patrick Mahomes is playing in this football game, and
Speaker 1: I'll take them to win twenty seven to twenty four.
Speaker 1: My reason for the pick is, if you're gonna beat
Speaker 1: Kansas City, you gotta have some type of running game.
Speaker 1: They have no running game. Nineteen carries in the last
Speaker 1: two playoff games for the Buffalo Bills running backs. And
Speaker 1: obviously we know they've got Josh Allen, and Josh Allen
Speaker 1: is a weapon in the running game. But I just
Speaker 1: think when we look at how do you beat Kansas City,
Speaker 1: you got to be able to run the football effectively,
Speaker 1: and that's not something Buffalo does. So that's where I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go with Kansas City to win it. I also
Speaker 1: think about the experience. This is a challenging experience here
Speaker 1: in Barrett. You've played in one of these ASC championship games.
Speaker 1: When you're a young team, you're coming into a game
Speaker 1: like this and you're going on the road. That's a challenge,
Speaker 1: and I think it would not be surprised to see
Speaker 1: Buffalo come out here and get out to a lead
Speaker 1: in this football game, especially Patrick is feeling some effects
Speaker 1: from that concussion. But I just think in the end
Speaker 1: we'll just see Kansas City get it done, just like
Speaker 1: we saw last week against Cleveland, where Kansas City didn't
Speaker 1: have their best game. But you don't always have to
Speaker 1: play your best. You have to play your best football
Speaker 1: when you have to. And that's that's what the Kansas
Speaker 1: City Chiefs have done the last two years. I don't
Speaker 1: think we give them enough credit for the kind of
Speaker 1: run there on. This has been a fantastic run. Two
Speaker 1: year run, actually three year run of football to be
Speaker 1: back here, you know, a third ASC championship game. But
Speaker 1: this is a heck of a football team, and I
Speaker 1: just think they find a way to get it done
Speaker 1: on a big stage somewhere where they think the experience
Speaker 1: pays off on us with gentlemen, Hey, Cleveland should be
Speaker 1: ashamed of themselves. Cleveland should be How are you gonna
Speaker 1: let Chad Henney, Chad Henney come out here and bust
Speaker 1: you for a fourteen yard run? Man? And then on
Speaker 1: fourth and inches, you know, I don't even need my
Speaker 1: running back. I'm gonna go ahead do the sprint out bullet.
Speaker 1: How y'all let Chad Henny do that. Chad. He ain't
Speaker 1: stepped on the field since my days in Jacksonville maybe
Speaker 1: the preseason of twenty seventeen, and he's out there with
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe that one. I couldn't believe it. You see,
Speaker 1: you see the difference right Church the fourth and inches.
Speaker 1: So what player they run sprint out, they get their
Speaker 1: inches and they get out of the game. But what
Speaker 1: we run on fourth and inches? Oh, five six yard
Speaker 1: hitch hob that's the difference. You know who gotta and
Speaker 1: you know who got an interview for a head coaching
Speaker 1: job and who didn't kill it? Moore gotta for a
Speaker 1: head coaching job for calling that Eric Bing and me
Speaker 1: did not get a head coach and interview job. And
Speaker 1: I mean did not get a head coaching job. Ain't
Speaker 1: that something? That is? That is that's crazy? Well he could,
Speaker 1: he could, He could get the Houston job. So he's
Speaker 1: still in play for the Houston job. It's the only
Speaker 1: only team that has not filled the job. Atlanta went
Speaker 1: with Arthur Smith here to fill their job. Um we
Speaker 1: talked about slid with with the Jets, and the Chargers
Speaker 1: hired Brandon Staley and Urban Meyer to UH to Jacksonville.
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell too up there to to UH. The Detroit
Speaker 1: Lions here, look, um, Barry, I'm going to take exception
Speaker 1: with you on this point about the Cleveland game. They
Speaker 1: should have never punted that football. I thought that they
Speaker 1: needed to go for it. That was on Kevin Stevanski,
Speaker 1: the head coach. You needed to go ahead and tell
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield and this offense, guys, we're not giving it
Speaker 1: back to them because we know what their offense is
Speaker 1: capable to. Even even if Mahomes isn't there, we got
Speaker 1: we know what that offense had. They've got weapons. So
Speaker 1: we're gonna keep the football. What's the best part of
Speaker 1: our team, it's it's our ability to run this football.
Speaker 1: We're gonna run it on these guys. We're gonna go
Speaker 1: for it here, gon keep these change movement. I thought
Speaker 1: that's what Kansas should say Cleveland should have done in
Speaker 1: Kansas City is not pumped the ball and put it
Speaker 1: on your offense and go ahead and win the game.
Speaker 1: You got offensive head coach to me, that's what they
Speaker 1: should have done. They didn't do it, and they lost
Speaker 1: a football game. But I also go back to this, guys,
Speaker 1: that's a young football team, young football team, first time
Speaker 1: head coach. You know this is that process. This is
Speaker 1: learning about it. So I'm telling you, man as a
Speaker 1: guy who covered the previous Cleveland playoff win, okay, twenty
Speaker 1: five years ago, when I had hair and a mustache,
Speaker 1: all right, ninety four, I was there in nineteen ninety four.
Speaker 1: Cleveland fans may have been disappointed in losing, but believe me,
Speaker 1: they're happy with the season that they had. You know,
Speaker 1: you get Cleveland's a place where coming in seconds. Okay,
Speaker 1: they gave the Cleveland Indians a parade for losing the
Speaker 1: World Series in nineteen ninety five. That town is different, Okay,
Speaker 1: They're They're happy to take what they've got very and
Speaker 1: and hopefully their GM Andrew Berry can get them some
Speaker 1: more pieces and get Stefanski some more pieces. But I
Speaker 1: like what they have built in Cleveland. They've built, um
Speaker 1: what I think is a good foundation, kind of like
Speaker 1: what we're watching in Buffalo where you're seeing some really
Speaker 1: strong building blocks and what these what they're doing as organizations,
Speaker 1: and I feel that's pretty positive. I'm hoping the Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys can start to do that this offseason and free
Speaker 1: agency and the draft is start to build some pieces,
Speaker 1: give your coaching staff some of the pieces that they need.
Speaker 1: Especially on defense. I know you guys don't want to
Speaker 1: hear it, but Doug on it. First round. We need
Speaker 1: to look in defense. It needs to be D line
Speaker 1: or their defensive backfield. And I'm leaning more and more
Speaker 1: towards trading out of that ten spot and trying to
Speaker 1: get some help on that D line. Fellas, that's just me. Hey,
Speaker 1: you're right about I'm with you on that one. All defense,
Speaker 1: I'm with you on that one. And real quick before
Speaker 1: we before we cut out, before we cut out, man,
Speaker 1: huge shout out to Miles Austin. Man, he just he
Speaker 1: got the wide receiver coaching job over with the Jets
Speaker 1: under Robert Salo out there, so, I mean, I know
Speaker 1: he's been he's been grinding to get that, to get
Speaker 1: a gig as a wide receiver coach for a long time.
Speaker 1: So Hugh shout out to Miles Austin. Hopefully he can
Speaker 1: turn that Jets organization around. Absolutely. Well. You talk about
Speaker 1: a guy with substance, Miles Austin has a lot of substance.
Speaker 1: You look at his career coming from Mamouth and what
Speaker 1: he did in the National Football League and a guy
Speaker 1: who went and grinding. Um, I don't think we talk
Speaker 1: enough about guys who've played in the league who you know,
Speaker 1: he had a Pro Bowl career and humbled himself enough
Speaker 1: to say I will go and grind, and that's what
Speaker 1: he did, and it's good to see him rewarded. And
Speaker 1: Miles Austin is definitely a guy I think when when
Speaker 1: other receivers look at him in that receiver room, like
Speaker 1: a MEM's kid from from Baylor who's over there, it's
Speaker 1: going to be able to look and see, hey man,
Speaker 1: there's a guy who's about substance, and I can believe
Speaker 1: what he says because he knows how to teach, he
Speaker 1: knows what he's doing, and he did it in this league.
Speaker 1: So good for Miles Austin to be able to to
Speaker 1: move on and laying that job with the Jets, and
Speaker 1: hopefully the Jets can turn it around. I hope they
Speaker 1: keep Sam Donald. I don't think that Sam Donald is
Speaker 1: the problem. I think you're sitting there at number two.
Speaker 1: Trade out of that number two pick, try and get
Speaker 1: some get some help around Sam Donald and an actual leader.
Speaker 1: I thought Adam Gates was a terrible head coach, that
Speaker 1: I was a terrible offensive coordinator, so I would not
Speaker 1: give up on Sam Donald. I don't think he was
Speaker 1: a problem. I think it was so much bad around him.
Speaker 1: But hopefully the Jets are smart enough to realize it.
Speaker 1: They need so much help and trade that number two
Speaker 1: picks that somebody who wants a quarterback and be pretty
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