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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Coast to Coast and my guest is

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Speaker 2: Deborah Buris, and we are talking about weather Magic, which

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Speaker 2: is the name of her book. Before the break, we

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Speaker 2: were talking about more extreme patterns in the weather, and

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Speaker 2: we were talking about the ocean's heating up, not cooling

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Speaker 2: like they should be doing, and holding all of that

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Speaker 2: co two in the atmosphere. Why tell me why it

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Speaker 2: is heating up in the first place. I mean, your

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Speaker 2: experience of that as an astrophysicist, I'm really curious.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean you can say, you can call it

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Speaker 3: whatever word you want to call it, but humans have

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Speaker 3: had an impact on this planet since the industrial age, right,

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Speaker 3: so we are producing these gases and it's just the fact.

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Speaker 4: And I'm just looking for the facts, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Our atmosphere is compared and nitrogen and oxygen, and

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Speaker 3: it has some carbon dioxide in it naturally, and that's

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Speaker 3: a good thing. Right. We need the green we need

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Speaker 3: People used to call it say, oh, it's the green

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Speaker 3: half effect. Well we need the greenhouse effect. You want

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Speaker 3: some greenhouse effects, because if you don't have that, if

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Speaker 3: you don't have the heat ability to keep a little

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Speaker 3: bit of heat in the atmosphere, then you get these

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Speaker 3: verit you would get this crazy extreme difference in temperature

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Speaker 3: between night and day, like it would be you know,

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Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty degrees during the daytime and you

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Speaker 3: know minus thirty at night, and when who wants that?

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Speaker 4: Hat? Okay, So it keeps the temperatures, it.

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Speaker 3: Moderates the temperature, and that's a good thing. What you

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Speaker 3: don't want is the runaway green half effect, which is

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Speaker 3: what the planet Venus has. Venus is an example of

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Speaker 3: what you don't want. It is the atmosphere on Venus

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Speaker 3: is full of not just carbon dioxide, but other more

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Speaker 3: volatile gases that retain heat. And so the temperature on

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Speaker 3: Venus is about the same all the time. It's about

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Speaker 3: nine hundred degrees fahrenheit all the time because that heat

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Speaker 3: gets trapped in there and it can't reradiate back out

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Speaker 3: into the atmosphere, so they're back out into space. So

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Speaker 3: think about, for example, in the winter, like we talk

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Speaker 3: about when we start to look at like is it

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Speaker 3: going to freeze tonight? Is there going to be a

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Speaker 3: frost tonight? If you're a gardener, is it going to

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Speaker 3: be a frost, Do I need to go outside and

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Speaker 3: cover up my tomatoes or whatever? If it's the cloudy night,

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Speaker 3: Generally that is not going to happen because the clouds,

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Speaker 3: because they are full of water vapor, which also holds

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Speaker 3: onto heat, kind of acts as an insulating blanket and

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Speaker 3: it doesn't allow all of the heat to reradiate back

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Speaker 3: out into space, and it keeps the temperature on average

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Speaker 3: a little bit warmer overnight, and so your tomatoes don't

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Speaker 3: get frost bite.

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Speaker 4: That's why the coastal towns are so temperate.

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Speaker 3: Right exactly exactly, clear night, you're going to probably get

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Speaker 3: a frost because that he's going to just go back

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Speaker 3: out and you know the daytime heating is going to

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Speaker 3: reradiate back out in space. Yeah, you're exactly right. Coastal

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Speaker 3: regions are a lot more temperate because of the water,

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Speaker 3: whereas inland areas are a little bit have a little

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Speaker 3: wider variation in those temperatures because there don't have the

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Speaker 3: sort of that insulation of the water being close by.

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Speaker 3: So to me, what's happening is if we get this

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Speaker 3: my opinion, and I'm not a climatologist, so I'm just

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Speaker 3: going to say what and from a from a physics

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Speaker 3: point of view, what I see happening. You've got, you know,

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Speaker 3: you get this heat coming in. You have an extra

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Speaker 3: CO two in the atmosphere because we don't have Now,

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Speaker 3: the vegetation is going away because we're you know, we're

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Speaker 3: which we've got to have to feed more people. And

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Speaker 3: so if you get rid of plants and you pay

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Speaker 3: you run out of the things that are going to

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Speaker 3: help get that CO two out of the atmosphere. Then

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Speaker 3: what that does is then you change the ability of

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Speaker 3: then you had the next pieces or the last piece

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Speaker 3: this more extreme weather patterns. Now, there will be people

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Speaker 3: say that, well, this is a long term cycle that

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Speaker 3: the Earth is goes through, and yet there are these

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Speaker 3: can't remember exactly because again I'm not a climate scientist.

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Speaker 3: But the if you look at data from like a

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Speaker 3: upward trend that cannot be explained away by these long term,

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Speaker 3: natural occurring cycles. So, you know, I like data. I

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Speaker 3: that's that's that's there, that there's a problem. And so

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Speaker 3: if you've got this extra heat, one of the things

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Speaker 3: that it's going to do is it's going to create

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Speaker 3: how do you deal with changes in the weather, So

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Speaker 3: bigger hurricanes, longer hurricane season, a bigger tornade, know, you know,

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Speaker 3: the more dramatic bomb cyclones that we're seeing now. I

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Speaker 2: Opinion, right, and this whole union of concerned scientists talk

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Speaker 2: about that. I would just pulled up an article about

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Speaker 2: about extreme heat events which we're heading into again for

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Speaker 2: this summer, and they do keep getting longer and more intense,

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Speaker 2: and you just explain beautifully why. Now I'm curious about

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Speaker 2: how in terms of magic or.

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Speaker 4: Rain making, I mean, can we help this?

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Speaker 3: Well? Okay, so I'm gonna I have a lady who

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Speaker 3: I adore. Her name is Dorothy Morrison, and she's an

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Speaker 3: sort of my hashtag itch goals, and she would do

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Speaker 3: these workshops on how to use magic in your day

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Speaker 3: you don't need to do magic for that. You need

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Speaker 3: But there are things that we could do magically, but

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Speaker 3: there are things we could do as you know, pagan

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Speaker 3: communities or which communities or whatever. I go to so

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Speaker 3: many events where there's no recycling, and I'm like, you're

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Speaker 3: an outdoor event. We're supposed to be in earth based religion.

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Speaker 3: Where's the recycling. Then I realized that it may seem

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Speaker 3: And it is, but it's better than no drops in

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Speaker 3: the bucket. We can we can vote with our dollars.

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Speaker 3: We can try to choose companies who promote greener practices.

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Speaker 3: We can try to be greener ourselves. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 3: earth centered, which you know, we we have to quep.

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Speaker 3: One of the things that I get really irritated about

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Speaker 3: I don't really need to take care of it, and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it gets trashed for that reason. And you can

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Speaker 2: always tell where humans have been because they leave trash, right.

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Speaker 3: And so those are not necessarily magical things you can do,

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Speaker 3: but they are mindful things you can do. Now in

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Speaker 3: old was it the Dominoes commercial that you tell two friends,

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Speaker 3: If I can affect change in my immediate community to

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Speaker 3: be more mindful, right, if I can ask for that

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Speaker 3: in the universe, then maybe those people can spread those

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Speaker 3: little ripples on out. Are there magic spells and things

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense. Well, right, let's talk a lot

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Speaker 2: a little bit about clouds. You so, say, for example,

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Speaker 3: to be turbulents or ones that we say have vertical development.

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Speaker 3: So those are your cumula form clouds, your puppy clouds,

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Speaker 3: And what that does is that can create a role.

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Speaker 3: that's the shears. That's the shear. So you're pushing on

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Speaker 3: doing that with like water or air. That's going to

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Speaker 3: Which then if you get a lot of uplift in

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Speaker 4: No, I love this. This is great.

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Speaker 2: So you could identify the clouds and if you're if

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Speaker 2: you're in an airplane, or if you're looking up in

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Speaker 2: you can expect wind to come with that right right.

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Speaker 3: In storms, Yeah, it's the top especially it's the tops

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Speaker 3: of these storms. The other thing you can look for

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Speaker 3: in storms like that are in in in thunderstorm clouds,

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Speaker 3: look for water called mammatis clouds. Mammatis clouds are named

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Speaker 3: because they look like mammary glands. They look like, you know,

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Speaker 3: because there's these little pouches that form out in front

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Speaker 3: that means a lot of uplift. Uplift can often lead

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Speaker 2: There's so much when it comes to our weather and

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Speaker 2: ignited the Palisades and the Eton area. It was just

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Speaker 2: carrying the embers so fast and so far. But I

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Speaker 2: can tell by the hot air and the cold air

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Speaker 2: I guess there was a perfect storm happening out there.

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Speaker 2: But meteorologists could tell this was going to be an

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Speaker 3: Right, well, because what they can do now is we

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Speaker 3: It's something called the Cape index, which is getting WILLI

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Speaker 3: like data? You know, I'm a data walk when it

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Speaker 3: comes to meteorology. The Tape index is a measure of

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Speaker 3: the instability. So it's a measure of what they were

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Speaker 3: probably looking at, is that instability. Now, what happened with

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Speaker 3: y'all is that air. You know, you had very cold

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Speaker 3: dry air mashes, and that's why they create because what

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Speaker 3: they did is not only were they carrying the embers,

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Speaker 3: they were drying out the vegetation because they had no

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