WEBVTT - Jana Kramer: Babies & Miscarriages, Plus Navigating Marriage and Career. 0:00:09.320 --> 0:00:28.360 Carola, She's afraid just no caral sound what of you, guys? 0:00:28.400 --> 0:00:30.760 I am so excited I have Jane Kramer on this 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:34.879 episode of Get Real, Honest, Women, Honest Talk. Janna is 0:00:35.159 --> 0:00:38.000 such a force of nature. She is an actress. She 0:00:38.120 --> 0:00:40.760 was on One Tree Hill. She is a country star. 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:44.480 She was on Dancing with the Stars and was a finalist. 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:48.080 Now she has an incredible podcast called Wine Down with 0:00:48.159 --> 0:00:50.240 Janna Kramer, and her husband Mike is on it too. 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:53.559 She is such just a force to be reckoned with. 0:00:53.600 --> 0:00:57.120 I love Jane so much. We talk about everything under 0:00:57.160 --> 0:00:59.920 the sun. We start this episode with some pretty exciting news, 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:01.520 so you're gonna want to tune in and hear that, 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:05.400 and then we just dive into her life, babies, miscarriage, 0:01:05.480 --> 0:01:09.320 the trauma of miscarrying, her marriage, how she and Mike 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:13.800 have rebuilt it and are thriving, her podcast, her career, everything, 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:16.720 how she makes it all work. And she's so honest 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:20.080 and talks about everything just from her soul, so authentic. 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:24.560 So y'all please welcome Janna Cramer. Hi, Jana Crane, Hi, 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:30.440 what's going on? Um? Thing out of the what is it? 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:32.520 The cat out of the cat out of the bag 0:01:32.920 --> 0:01:34.759 more like the dogs or the pen because it sounds 0:01:34.760 --> 0:01:37.560 like there's a racetrackup there's there's a racetracking on upstairs. 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:40.440 But it's all good. If you guys hear feet all 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:42.080 over the place, which I don't think you can, it's 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:45.240 these tiny little york No, they're not Yorkism. I'm in 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:48.280 town right now, staying at my girlfriend's house and she 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:50.800 has two Boston Terriers, and I don't think there's very good. 0:01:51.000 --> 0:01:55.000 Um what's that called? And they run, they're like they're running. 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:57.640 They're running the marathon right now, so they're doing the 0:01:57.680 --> 0:01:59.360 workout for us. But might I'll be able to hear it, 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:03.240 but if you do, it's not thunder apologies. Okay, yeah, 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:05.360 So the cat, the dogs out of the pan, the 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:07.160 cattlet bag? What is it? Would you like to say 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:08.880 it to the camera? Yes, let me share it, not 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:11.240 the camera because it's crooked, but you know every can 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:14.839 get around here. Okay, great, Um, not that, Caroline. Would 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:17.560 you like to tell your listeners something if they didn't 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:22.200 see it on Instagram? Okay, So breaking news, Yes, this 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:25.240 has just spit announced. Um, Michael and I are pregnant 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:35.040 with the girl. Oh my god. Yes, a little girl. 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:37.640 I know. Michael was so cute because he was like, 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:39.080 oh my gosh when he found out. He was like, 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:40.800 I mean, I'm going to be the male influence in 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:43.240 her life. Like you know, girls if they have daddy 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:45.040 issues is from their dads. He's like, I don't want 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:47.880 to give her daddy issues. And a hundred every single 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:51.000 one of my issues came from my dad. Likes like, 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:52.640 you're gonna have to be disciplinary and I'm just gonna 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:53.800 be like her best friend and hang out with her 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:56.520 all the time. I'm like, Okay, oh my gosh, wait, 0:02:56.560 --> 0:02:58.119 I don't know what did you do the blood work? Yeah? 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:02.080 Then everything came out great because about genetic testing, which 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:03.840 you and I have talked about this before. Yeah, I 0:03:03.919 --> 0:03:06.120 had a miscarriage and a chemical pregnancy. I think I 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:09.000 had two chemical brannancies, but for sure one. So when 0:03:09.200 --> 0:03:11.960 was the last miscarriage was at what week? It was 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:17.160 like six to eight weeks, like yeah, and so it was. 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:21.160 I have had so much anxiety around this pregnancy, which 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:23.000 is so crazy. I was talking to one of my 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:25.760 good friends who's had two kids now and she had 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:29.120 a miscarriage in between her Kristen, No, this is my 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:31.720 friend of Texas, but also Kristin Brush. She yeah about 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:34.200 this too, but it's just like she was like telling me, 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:36.480 She's like, you'll never Unfortunately, You're just not going to 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:40.400 be able to enjoy pregnancy like others might because you 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:43.400 have this fear. You'll have this fear of miscarrying, and 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:46.600 once you miscarry, it like it's it's traumatizing. It's hard. 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:48.320 I mean, I remember when we talked when I did 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:49.960 find I didn't know you were having a girl, but 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:51.440 when I found out you're pregnant and you were we 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:53.720 were talking about that because I've had obviously a couple 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:56.240 of miscarriages, and I was just like I watched your 0:03:56.360 --> 0:03:59.000 video by the way that you posted your YouTube where 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:01.720 you were I VF and you had done it, like 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:03.960 you had gone through it and you had gotten pregnant 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:08.800 and then it didn't didn't didn't work, and like, oh 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:10.560 my god, I was like crying with you because it 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:12.880 was so emotional. Yeah, I mean, it was one of 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:14.040 those things where I was like, I don't know if 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:15.440 I want to share it because it's not like I'm 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:17.359 trying to I was not trying to get sympathy. I 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:19.080 was not trying to do anything, even with the first 0:04:19.080 --> 0:04:21.560 one about this. I feel like they're starting to. I 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:23.760 think they're starting to, but I feel like people, I 0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:26.680 feel like people talk about it after the fact, so 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:29.320 like after they've been which is the same thing that 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:31.600 I did with it, So after you know, I had 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:33.440 the miscarriage, then I got pregnant, and then I finally 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:35.279 shared Okay, I had a miscarriage before that, but I 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:37.120 think in that moment, it's so hard to share that 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:40.160 because you're just and I mean I did with the 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:43.360 last one or two or four ja's because it was 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:45.800 just like in that moment, I was like, I don't 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:47.400 know when I'm going to be able to post something 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:49.720 happy on Instagram again, because this is just what happened. 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:52.400 So that's when I shared the photo of losing that 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:54.440 one baby. And then we tried IVF and then it's 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:56.520 it's just hard and I turn her into a fog, 0:04:56.640 --> 0:04:58.479 like I was in a hole a fog for like 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:01.000 eight months in the middle of like our pregnancy journey 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:04.040 when I wasn't wasn't working miscarrying, like couldn't get pregnant 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:08.359 chemical pregnancies, Like I just got sort of depressed because 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:11.440 it's super hormonal too, and then just the imbalances that 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:13.240 you go through. But for me, it was more like 0:05:13.279 --> 0:05:16.520 I go to I don't know how your hubby was, 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:18.840 but like with Mike, like he was trying to be supportive, 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:20.760 but I just like I go into a hole where 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:23.279 I'm like, this is I'm the reason I'm a bad 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:25.159 wife because I can't carry a baby and I'm a 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:28.240 bad wife and mother, and like I'm not a good 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:30.040 woman because I can't carry a child because I keep 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:31.520 losing it. So like what's wrong with me? So I 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:34.479 just went like real, like I attacked myself for like 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:36.960 longest time. Is that what you did too? I that's 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:39.000 when I started to realize it was actually I learned 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:41.320 a lot during last year, which was like a just 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:44.960 like a very hard season. Um. I learned that I 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:49.120 had terrible self talk because I am so positive for 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:51.560 everyone else and like I'm so quick you really are 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:54.560 really positive for everybody. I can really find the great 0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:57.720 things about other people, but like with myself, like I 0:05:57.760 --> 0:06:00.880 did not realize how brutal I was for on myself 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:04.080 and how hard I was on myself and how especially 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:06.560 like ugly I talked to myself like I is that 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:09.520 where you started doing the like basically like owning your 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:12.800 skin of like how you looked in the classes and stuff. 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:14.920 Is that I was at the start of I don't 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:18.960 even know. Well. Actually, Michael Chandler, who owns Training Camp, 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:21.480 which is an incredible gym, where I did my Fit Females, 0:06:21.520 --> 0:06:23.320 which anyone and naturally wants to get in great shape 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:25.400 to do this six week program. It's called Fit Females. Okay, 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:26.760 I think I saw that end of your Instagram. I'm 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:29.000 gonna do it again after I have this baby, because 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:30.960 it got me the best shape in my life. But 0:06:31.040 --> 0:06:33.000 Michael Chandler is at three time m in, a world 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:37.839 champion fighter, and so his and his wife Bree is incredible. 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:40.080 They owned this gym together and they just talked to 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:43.000 the cutest baby last year. Half um. They have so 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:45.720 much on their plate and they're incredible people. But he 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:48.240 always posted about self talk, and I said, I was 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:50.360 like in his gym for six weeks and like I 0:06:50.400 --> 0:06:52.840 was bettering myself, and like he was always talking about 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:55.440 self talk, and I just started like taking inventory of 0:06:55.520 --> 0:06:58.159 how I was speaking to myself. And I don't know, 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:01.599 I just always beat myself up to pulp and like 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:04.320 if I do anything that I offend someone, I think 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:06.800 people hate me and I'll like spiral and I have 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:08.800 to feel like I have to owe them my apologies 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:11.840 for the rest of my life, like grovel on the floor. 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:14.280 I'm like, I'm so sorry. I can't get over things. Yeah, 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:17.480 because I just feel like I've ruined something if I've 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:19.120 made a mistake. But it's not even a mistake, it's 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:21.480 just living. So where in your childhood is that? Like 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:23.120 how old are you when you when you act that, 0:07:23.320 --> 0:07:25.480 like what happened in your childhood that causes you to 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:29.880 because part of me thinks, have you done the angiogram? 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:33.400 What's your number? Um with my ages? When I go 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:35.560 back to you know, what's your number on the indiogram? 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:37.840 Oh god, I can't remember. I really can't remember. We 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:39.520 had a lady come on the podcast and do that, 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:41.960 so I can't. I honestly can't remember. Okay, Well, I'm 0:07:41.960 --> 0:07:46.320 a four, which is like a romantic feels like it 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:49.080 feels like they're just so unique that no one understands them, 0:07:49.120 --> 0:07:52.480 and like it's like almost dramatic all the time. So 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:55.760 they're like fours are really creative, but like really emotional. 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:58.240 So I think part of me is the way I'm wired, 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:02.800 Like I'm so emotional like, and I have gotten a 0:08:02.840 --> 0:08:04.559 grip on it through lots of therapy and just growing 0:08:04.640 --> 0:08:08.040 up and understanding the world. But I will just I mean, 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:11.120 I could spiral into a hole so fast it's easy too. 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:14.960 But then, how are your hormones now, like being pregnant, 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:17.600 I've actually I feel I told Michael the other day, 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:20.200 and knock on wood, I'm like, I haven't been doing 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:23.280 any self help for like the past like four months, 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:25.240 which is normally I'm always reading some sort of help 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:27.840 self help or posting things or like trying trying to 0:08:27.880 --> 0:08:30.640 better myself because I'm so trying to speak it into myself. 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:34.240 I've been feeling really good. Maybe the hormones have really 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:37.560 leveled you out. I don't feel lost right now. I 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:39.400 will tell you what. When I was pregnant, like I 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:41.880 even then the very beginning, I felt kind of hormonally crazy. 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:44.839 But in the middle, I was just like, for some reason, 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:46.439 like I usually have really bad anxiety, and then I 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:48.319 didn't have any anxiety when I was pregnant. After I 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:50.880 was pregnant, I got my bad anxiety again. Oh okay, 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:53.640 But that's just you know, just be careful like after 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:56.720 the baby, like you're the blues and stuff. So we're okay, 0:08:56.720 --> 0:08:58.560 So talk to me about your journey. When did you 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:00.840 have you always had in siety or is that like 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:04.200 after being a mom? Um? I got my anxiety post 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:08.960 a bad relationship okay early on, Um, I was twenty. 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:11.520 It was abusive relationship, so I became really like I 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:15.560 don't want to well, long story short. He was the 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:18.000 one that I married in Vegas when I was nineteen 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:20.640 years old. Did a drive through I noon for two weeks. 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:24.520 Super classic Janet Cramer love story. You know, I love 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:27.000 that you're just like all in you know. Yeah, that 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:28.559 was a bad one to be all in on um. 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:30.040 But no, he ended up going to jail for her 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:32.480 attempted murder on me, and then he had a real 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:37.920 long story. I tried to murder you? Yeah crazy? Did 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:41.360 he have any like success? Like did he a woman alive? 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:44.120 I mean, I know what did he like get? Did 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:46.960 he really hurt you? And so the problem was where 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:48.960 he had his Yes, he really did hurt me. He 0:09:49.559 --> 0:09:52.480 broke my ribs and I was black and blue. But god, 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:55.960 he it's all good. I'm hello I'm good now, I 0:09:56.000 --> 0:10:01.520 know and look um but he um, he verbally said 0:10:01.559 --> 0:10:03.080 he was gonna try to kill me in a text message. 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:06.360 That's how they got a premeditated attempted murderer. So that's what. 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:08.240 And then then when he tried to do that, because 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:09.680 he's like, that's what I'm gonna kill you. I'm gonna 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:11.120 get my gun, I'm gonna it was I mean, let's 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:12.679 just not go down that whole rabbit hole. But like 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:15.160 long story short, you know, he went to jail and um, 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:17.040 but that's where I got my PTSD from. So that's 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:19.040 where I had a really bad anxiety. Away from him, 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:22.040 well he passed away. Oh my gosh. He committed suicide 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:24.720 after he got out a prison. Oh my gosh. I 0:10:24.800 --> 0:10:29.280 was just like because it's just like lightening even wow. Okay, 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:31.160 so that is a start. So that's where I got 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:33.800 my anxiety. So any time I ever feel because he 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:35.840 was like, you know, on top of me, choking me. 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:39.440 So anytime I feel trapped or I just I go 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:41.920 into like massive anxiety. And bless my husband, like he 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:44.480 doesn't understand anxiety, and so he thinks it's all mental 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:47.760 and it doesn't have any anxiety zero great zero and 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:49.600 oh my god would have been amazing. What a life, 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:51.480 I know. But he but he thinks it's mentally. He's like, 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:54.560 tell you, you're telling yourself you're anxiety and like, no, no, 0:10:54.679 --> 0:10:57.760 you don't understand, like you may think I'm crazy or 0:10:58.080 --> 0:10:59.800 I'm acting crazy. I was like, I wish I could 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:02.360 be like, oh, I'm just snap out of it. Like 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:05.120 you can't just snap out of it. But after having 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:09.200 my son, my anxiety came back really bad because I 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:11.560 think it was just being out of the house and 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:13.640 like he's so little, like you'll have that where you 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:16.680 just like have that like mom pole that mom anxiety, 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:18.280 or like I just I can't leave the house, but 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:21.160 you have to just slow. Like my girlfriend's Beth Katherine 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:23.440 Rachel all came in town and I was sitting at 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:24.680 dinner and they're like, are you okay? And I was 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:26.959 like and there's like, no, girls, I'm sorry, like I 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:28.439 am having a panic attack. I want to go home. 0:11:28.480 --> 0:11:31.600 And they're like, just like, breathe, You're okay, And all 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:33.679 of them are moms so they could help you through it. 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:35.240 And I mean I ended up like breathing through it 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:37.400 and had like down to the bottle of sprite because 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:39.040 I was like, I think I'm just dizzy and like 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:41.160 I'm tired. I don't know, I haven't slept in linking 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:44.160 ages but um but yeah, no, it's just like it's 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:45.800 you know, you just have to be like just really 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:48.760 watch your hormones afterwards, because I think what your husbands 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:50.400 don't realize and what we don't realize is you know, 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:52.240 when the baby's out, it's like, oh, you're back to normal. 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:54.120 It's like, no, you're not. Like your hormones are like 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:56.319 they're still here. It takes a year to get back 0:11:56.320 --> 0:11:58.720 to your normal hormones and now you have a life 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:01.040 that you're fullers. Yeah, well or so I couldn't even 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:02.840 a mad baby. You've got a career. I mean you 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:04.960 can't just like stop what you're doing. I mean we're self, 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:12.640 we're bosses. Know I'm attempted, you're a boss. We're a boss. 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:14.560 So it's like we have to you know, we we 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:16.480 don't get time off. That's the thing. It's like, oh, 0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:19.120 you don't have a break, and like no, like I 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:22.840 I have, I can't. So you have two kids, speaking 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:26.319 of boss, like two kids? Okay, I was actually stalking 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:28.440 earlier today. I started, you know what, I started watching 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:30.599 One Tree Hill a little bit you did, because I 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:32.280 wanted to know what everything is about, Like a wow, 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:36.839 that's funny. And your character was like what a role. 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:39.719 She was a hot mess. But I mean so many 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:42.560 think she attempted suicide and heard the bats. He felt 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:44.760 so sad. You know, I felt bad for her, But 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:47.920 she's she's awesome. She was a character. She was fun 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:50.400 because she was complex, Like she came in. Everyone hated her, 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:55.160 but then like she yeah, yeah, so she came in 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:57.760 and she shook the town. She just came in like 0:12:57.840 --> 0:13:00.240 just being like this real alcoholic drug addict in which 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:03.160 I've never been drunk before. I've never touched a drug. 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:05.480 So it's very like you've never been drunk before. And 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:07.480 has started laughing in the other room. But I swear 0:13:07.520 --> 0:13:10.840 to you, I've never have yourn tipsy. So like just 0:13:12.040 --> 0:13:13.320 I'm like that he was laughing at me. I'm like 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:17.080 described tipsy. Okay, I never had the spins. Okay. Um, 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:19.360 tipsy to me is like I can wind like I'm 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:22.439 wine happy right now. Okay, So like tipsy to me 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:26.719 is where I'm not really a good drinker because I 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:29.480 literally will get like how though you're on a bus 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:32.800 with like a bunch of dudes, still travel with the 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:35.280 boys and stuff. Yeah yeah, I mean I've just never 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:39.560 really been a great drinker. So like if I um, 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:42.600 I kind of usually missed the tipsy face and then 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:44.520 I'll end up drunk and then I'm like asleep or 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:48.040 crying or yeah, so like I don't know, like tipsy, 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:50.560 I never get to that like happy place because like 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:53.360 if I feel like I have to, like everyone's drinking, 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:55.720 I feel like pressure to drink. Then I feel like 0:13:55.720 --> 0:13:57.640 I can't do it. It's like too much pressure, like 0:13:57.679 --> 0:14:00.280 game time pressure, Like I just like croak. I need 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:04.120 to be like at a restaurant with friends having Martini's 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:05.680 and having some wine and then all of a sudden, 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:07.400 I'll just be drinking drink and drink and then I 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:09.920 don't know, like I'm dancing and laughing. But I don't know. 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:13.080 I feel like you've always been like a very happy, happy, 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:16.560 happy drinker. Me or all of my emotions come out 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:19.320 and it's like a whirlpool. But I, however, your emotion 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:21.720 has been there with the baby like good really, so 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:24.680 I think you've truly evened out. Yes, I do think so, 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:26.600 because I don't. I really like the self help has 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:29.160 not been when you told me that. Have you interviewed 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:31.760 Sarah Bryce Lee Bryce's wife. Okay, she's amazing. She's one 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:33.840 of my dear friends. And she told me too, she's 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:37.120 like her anxiety, her emotions like leveled out during pregnancy. 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:38.600 So I don't know what it is sometimes like And 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:41.920 for me to like it helped with the hormones, isn't 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:43.560 that crazy? Because like I would look at you and 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:46.480 you think, like, how could you possibly have anxiety? Because 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:50.000 like all the things you're eight, you're stunning, dropped in 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:53.200 Gordon's probably one of the most beautiful people up and 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:56.280 I'm like, okay, well that's just the truth. And so 0:14:56.440 --> 0:14:59.400 but then you have a great husband who y'all have 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:02.640 like really like Workshall's marriage out, Like I have loved 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:06.360 watching your journey, like y'all's evolution and y'all's like fight 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:08.480 for your marriage and how beautiful it is is amazing, 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:12.600 two beautiful kids. You were like fourth place on Dancing 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:15.800 with This Are you have a great music career? Oh? 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:19.200 Come on, you have like you won and Best News 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:22.040 and then from a record label. That's how the music 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:24.440 industry works, you know, But then like and then what 0:15:24.520 --> 0:15:26.200 then you're not in the charts? You know what I mean? 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:28.280 Like even you're down, does that affect you when like 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:31.280 you win Best New Female, you have like a smash, 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:33.800 like Why you Wanted that was like the biggest song 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:36.640 ever we Got the Boy? Like and god, oh yeah, 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:38.920 I Got the Boy was They were both top three, 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:42.360 They're both platinum selling singles. And then how does that 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:44.320 go from being like the hottest thing to hit country 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:46.680 music to getting dropped? Like how does that happen? Because 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:49.520 two singles later, so after Got the Boy, the last 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:54.320 two singles didn't chart well, and then they're like moving on, 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:59.440 but yet, but yet Warner, Sorry, but yet my label, 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:05.400 but last label has kept the four guys that have 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:08.280 not even come close to charting the same that I charted, 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:11.600 have come close to selling the records that I sold 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:13.520 to have come close to any of the sponsors. Like, so, 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:16.160 I'm like, but yet you keep yet they're still on 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:19.160 the roster and they haven't charted. So I'm like, but yeah, 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:22.640 you dropped me after I failed. No, I didn't fail. 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:25.120 I did my part, you know what I mean? So, 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:28.920 but so I'm like okay, but yet you keep them 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:31.640 and you don't give me the opportunities. So that's it's frustrating. 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:35.040 That is like a big question in Nashville. It's like 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:37.480 you can be the biggest thing, have these huge hits, 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:39.560 and then like, oh, well, I mean you're I mean 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:42.240 your husband right, their bands are they are they resigned 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:44.720 there in the middle of working okay, yeah, and so 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:46.680 they just made a new album with davidov and it's 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:49.960 all great, but it's like you have to keep going hardcore, 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:56.760 you know, and that's the thing that you like, here's 0:16:56.760 --> 0:17:00.920 the thing like with the with kind of country music, 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:03.480 they were always like you have to be in one thing. 0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:05.040 I'm like, I don't want to just be in one box. 0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:06.879 Like I'm not just a one box artist. Yeah, well, 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:08.200 I'm just like I want to do like so many 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:11.040 different things. So it's like that's why like I'm rooting 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:12.960 for like Lindsay Owl and those girls because I'm like 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:16.440 those like she's the definition of like working her ass off. 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:18.840 I mean, she's been working ass off forever forever, And 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:20.920 I'm like and I'm like, you know what, Like that's 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:22.919 why she'll win and why I won't. At the end, 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:25.199 of the day win and cut your radio because I 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:28.479 just was like, I I can't do it anymore, like 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:31.480 come and like when she's like I have nothing else 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:34.239 but this, and like this is what I'm like, and 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:37.199 she's on my amazing like and that's and that's and 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:39.520 that's where like my downfall is because I'm like, Okay, 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:41.000 well I'm just gonna go do something else, so that 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:44.479 that's not really great like if I sometimes I think 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:46.080 about them, like, Okay, maybe it's not good to have 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:49.400 your eggs in like different baskets because then it's like 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:53.200 you're not really putting percent into it. But I feel 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:55.680 like I'm like, how many more free shows at radio play? 0:17:55.720 --> 0:17:57.920 How many more free like until I'm just like, well, 0:17:57.960 --> 0:17:59.919 I'm not charting, Like what am I supposed to do? 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:04.320 To see? I don't think that it's wrong to put 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:07.160 your eggs in different baskets if you have other baskets 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:09.679 that you're really good at, because like, honestly, look at 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:11.800 Mandy Moore. To me, she's like one of the most 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:15.000 amazing examples of having a great career in music and 0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:18.000 then stalling out like forever where does she go to music? 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:20.159 Who knows? And then she comes out and this is 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:22.240 us what she still like works for music and singing 0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:25.440 into that career. Yeah, you know, I just feel like 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:27.800 if you have the ability to be an actress, if 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:29.359 you have the ability to use your voice like you 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:31.800 do in a podcast, like if you're really talented in 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:34.360 other areas, I think they'll all come together as long 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:36.960 as you're still working, you know, like in hustling and 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:39.480 trying hard. I think it's when you just throw in 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:41.800