WEBVTT - Glee Co-creator Ian Brennan Part 2 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:05.040 And That's what you Really missed with Jenna and Kevin 0:00:05.440 --> 0:00:07.080 an iHeartRadio podcast. 0:00:09.039 --> 0:00:13.240 Welcome to and That's what You Really miss podcasts. Ian's 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:14.280 back Part two. 0:00:14.360 --> 0:00:15.560 Baby, we got. 0:00:15.360 --> 0:00:20.239 A part two. Ian is here again. We have more. 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:23.920 Last week if you didn't listen, we talked all about 0:00:23.960 --> 0:00:27.520 season five, season going into season six, and now we're 0:00:27.520 --> 0:00:33.160 here about to dive into the heart Locker. So let's 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:36.959 talk about the hert Locker. The heart Locker is completely unhinged, Dan, 0:00:37.080 --> 0:00:41.880 it is beyond unhinged, especially part one, Part one is insanity. 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:46.479 But then you have Sue on the saw Sue what 0:00:46.520 --> 0:00:54.640 do they call her? Jason Jason on like a flywheeler 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:57.120 tricycle coming into an elevator. 0:00:57.840 --> 0:01:01.240 It's it's it's on. 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:04.959 The premise of that she really wants she really ships 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:05.800 them hard. 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:09.880 And she wants them to get back together. 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:12.760 Yeah, yeah, no sense, there's no, it's not there's not 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:16.080 even it's not even in the water of what she 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:21.200 cares about. Yes, or like, it's very it's very, very unhinged. 0:01:21.319 --> 0:01:23.720 Do you remember where this came from? 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:29.600 Like, I think the idea of a jig Sue, the 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:31.920 film The hurt Locker had come out, although that's only 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:35.360 even like tangentially related. 0:01:34.920 --> 0:01:36.360 To it totally. 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:40.160 You know, my buddy Lee created Saw, so I've always 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:42.840 been like severe, like I always Saw. I didn't know 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:46.120 that and Ellen James wand they like made it. It's 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:49.120 like how they like it the most successful, most successful 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:51.480 film franchise of all time based on what they spent 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:55.560 early on and then like how eleven movies. It invented 0:01:55.560 --> 0:02:00.720 a whole like genre. It's wild but so so uh 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:04.520 he was like fun fact, Yeah, I just like I don't. 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:06.840 I think it was one of those hair brain like 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:09.280 ideas that Ryan had. Was just like I think she 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:13.800 did really want I want uh, Kurt and Blaine to 0:02:13.880 --> 0:02:15.800 be together, and she's gonna try to force them to 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:18.079 like that. That was as much of a premise as 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:20.880 like I would need, and with like a character as 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:25.679 like funny as that, and an and an actor who 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:27.239 could just sell anything. 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:29.160 Yes, that's all. 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:32.040 I remember. What else happens? What's is there? B story? 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:36.000 Oh there's Sam's getting hypnotized by two. 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:40.040 Hilarious right, like a mentorian candidate type thing. 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:45.920 Yes, to mess up clan and to mess with Rachel 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:50.760 so she can get all the Glee club broken up. Again. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:53.240 it's like club. 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:58.639 Yeah, and to return to form, it's just like pinking 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:00.680 the brain again. It's sort of like I take the club. 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:03.360 That's just like what she's that's so funny that that 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:06.280 was like. But yeah, then I just remember basically like 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:09.320 the production value of it was just very It was 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:12.240 just fun. Everybody just laughed the whole time, maybe because 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:14.440 like it was almost like we were doing like you 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:17.800 know how the Simpsons do those Halloween episodes where you 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:20.160 bracket off the world and you're like, this is just 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:22.280 fun and they're short and they don't really exist. I 0:03:22.280 --> 0:03:25.040 think that was like that's the sort of fun we 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:26.679 were sort of having with that whole season. But I 0:03:26.680 --> 0:03:30.040 think it's really the only episode I remember. Remember those 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:33.480 two from like from season six, the weird like kiss It. 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:36.360 She has a whole she's a false wall and a 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:37.000 storage unit. 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:39.520 Yes, yeah, so she opens up the storage unit. She 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:43.119 takes Becky in la car and then there's. 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:45.720 All of us on like a murder board like. 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:50.240 Jarn, and then behind that wall is like a kissing 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:53.240 booth like shrine to Clan. 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:56.440 And then later in part two, like. 0:03:56.400 --> 0:04:00.680 She she videos them secretly and like spies them, and 0:04:00.720 --> 0:04:02.080 like Becky's like, how did you get this? 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:04.800 She's like, shut up, Becky, you're ruining this moment for me. 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:08.360 Because it's a full like come what may the dream sequence? 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:10.720 And Becky's like, this looks like a dream sequence. How 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:11.680 did you shut up? 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:16.560 Becky? It's crazy, it's really over the time. It's campy 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:20.200 and like in a way that's like the boys see 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:23.000 the elevator and the new elevator to the auditorium and 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:24.679 they just like willingly get. 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:26.400 In it as come. 0:04:26.320 --> 0:04:29.320 From when in the elevator and like it's. 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:31.560 Just there's a bathroom in the elevator. 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:35.200 But they like then she's trapped in there. 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:37.600 Yeah, yes, and they're trapped in there with Jigsaw too. 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:42.160 I do wonder, I wonder if you remember. I also 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:45.240 think there's something about when like you, Brad or Ryan 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:49.320 were directing, there's like a certain freedom for like us, 0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:54.240 yes do this, Yes you could like just play a 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:56.839 bit more with all of us and change things and 0:04:56.960 --> 0:05:01.160 seeing like Jane and Chord together like during those hypnotizing scenes. 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:03.599 And also I think Coord is so underrated as a 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:10.039 comedic actor. I think he's brilliant. Yeah, and and the 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:14.880 he and Jane were doing with the hypnotizer. I'm like, 0:05:14.920 --> 0:05:18.440 not everybody can sell that, Yeah, and they were selling 0:05:18.480 --> 0:05:21.560 it over and over and over again. And you have 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:24.720 like the board like you know, like the spiraling hypnotizing 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:28.520 thing going out behind them, Like do you remember actually 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:31.920 like working with them like during that process, and we 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:32.760 were both. 0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:34.480 Good enough that they yeah, you would. I think we 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:39.000 were just like yeah, I think we were playing so 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:41.080 fast and loose at that point. It was just like 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:43.640 any sort of best idea. One if somebody could come 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:45.920 up with a line or a funnier bid or just 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:47.640 said thing or just as some as you just keep 0:05:47.720 --> 0:05:51.680 rolling you just don't call cut right, just I just 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:53.119 will you guys would all do something. 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:56.200 You could do that, though not every director had that power. 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:59.359 No, ye, totally, totally. No. It was nice to be 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:01.279 like this line doesn't work like it was. It was 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:03.359 really fun and to be like nobody's gonna fire me 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:07.240 so like it was. You did have that like extra freedom. Yeah, 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:10.200 it was like almost like that what we're describing is 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:12.920 like what I if I And again I don't think 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:15.000 it would have been a better show, But that was 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:19.360 always like what my conception of the show was. I 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:24.640 always wanted to be more that and less soap because 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:27.240 I didn't care about that. I didn't care about like 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:29.919 are they to get which is which is bad because 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:32.719 you want things that are funny to have heart, so 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:36.520 you eat something like that. But I was like, I 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:40.040 think I would have left my own devices. The show 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:45.800 would have feared much quicker into that kind of a 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:50.920 world where it was just sort of overtly funny. And 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:55.200 I think I was always pushing that even from the beginning. 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:58.240 There's even lines that I wrote in like the there's 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:01.680 a line in the pilot for the second episode when 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:07.240 like Terry's having a hysterical pregnancy and and then it 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:09.000 turns out but we wanted to be the joke like, no, 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:11.640 you're not pregnant. You've just been like eating a lot, 0:07:12.360 --> 0:07:15.160 that's why, and you have hysterical pregnancy. He's like, yeah, yeah, 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:20.960 look at your sonogram, like like in your stomach there's 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:23.880 a chicken wing. You must have swallowed a hole, which 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:26.520 is a great joke, but it's like that's what, that's 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:29.440 not real, right in the fact that you I was like, Oh, 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:31.400 that's the but that's always the thing I would and 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:34.160 then like yeah, oh, that's like the line I would cut. 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:37.920 That's like a not work. That's a different show. And so, like, 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:41.040 I think what was so fun about six for me 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:43.760 was it was sort of at that point it was like, oh, 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:47.640 this is the show I wanted to do the whole time. Wow, 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:51.560 its like kind of dumb because like show choir is 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:55.480 kind of dumb, and it's and there weren't any You're 0:07:55.520 --> 0:08:00.760 not really shipping anybody seriously at that point, everybody everybody, 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:07.640 So even the relationships could be could be like, uh 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:15.440 like grounds for jokes, right, like you're constantly undercutting. So again, 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:18.280 this would be like not as successful as show. It 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:21.040 would have gone for like one season and then would 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:22.600 have been like, well that's it was like a that 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:25.880 show got really weird. That's what's so funny is that 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:27.680 it find that we were finally able to just like 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:33.680 get weird and somehow clearly like also I think True 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:36.079 Detective was happening. Then that had to have been what 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:41.040 the what the the Yes, all your photos on a boat, 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:44.360 like there's all these weird inputs at the time. Yeah, 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:47.920 we're just really anyway, that's very funny. So yeah, and 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:49.880 then right, and then a weird bathroom in. 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:54.200 The yes, there was a bathroom in the elevator. And 0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:58.199 also there's something about how everybody's I don't know what 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:01.360 how everybody's performing in the episodes, Like I'm just thinking 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:04.560 about like Chris noticing the bathroom where there's like a 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:09.720 because I think maybe what you're saying is like you're 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:13.240 like throwing everything at the wall, like you're just having fun, 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:17.120 and everybody is like playing it more grounded. Yes, and 0:09:17.200 --> 0:09:20.360 so everything works because there's some episodes before where I think, 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:24.960 depending on who's directing it, the acting sort of is 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:29.480 encouraged to go too far into what that that may 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:29.960 be crazy. 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:33.000 Yeah, the more absurd a situation, the better ground. I 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:35.120 remember asking you guys a lot to be like I 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:38.920 would ask you guys to smell the fart a lot. Yes, 0:09:39.920 --> 0:09:43.040 just clocking like that's weird, that doesn't seem right, and 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:45.200 that's all. That's as much as you want. Like then 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:49.520 it to me that I like, the situation is weird, 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:51.800 but we're watching the characters have to live in the 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:55.880 situation rather than everything just going off to even though 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:59.600 off to Mars it certainly goes, but there's sure for me, 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:02.520 there's some difference. One is one version of that is 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:05.640 really funny and the other is like unbearably bad. 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:10.319 Yes, absolutely, and that's a fine fine line to walk. 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:14.280 You did you directed her Lucker Part one? Babs did 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:16.559 part two, which I thought was funny, but also somebody 0:10:16.600 --> 0:10:20.720 who knows the show so incredibly well, Yes, and to 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:23.120 pull those storylines off, I think you need that. 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:26.560 Yeah, it's so funny. What happens in the second part. 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:30.520 The second part is the elevator Elevator Okay, okay, the 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:37.280 first part is the Discovery. Yes, but is the first 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:43.920 one where she does a thousand miles yes on the 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:47.400 piano you have to know, like, but it's just like. 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:51.520 That was really good. Those are things about the show 0:10:51.559 --> 0:10:54.920 is you're app times are just recreating music videos, which 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:58.960 is uh fun and not as hard as you would 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:02.040 think because, uh, these goods don't always have like an 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:04.920 enormous budget. They're doing things that are usually practical and 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:06.080 you can mimic them. 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:09.960 Oh and bitch, which was so weird. And when she 0:11:10.080 --> 0:11:14.480 comes out in the file cabinet and she's her comes 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:19.520 out of the like when that bitch started happening, I 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:23.520 was like, oh, okay, I know where we are now. 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:25.280 It it clicked in for me. 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:38.199 The second part was also when they go and they 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:45.040 find suits emotionally what do they call it, like the emotionally. 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:47.040 Emotional triggering playst. 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:49.560 Triggering playliss and it must have been love father figure 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:52.040 and all out of love and they perform all of them, 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:54.760 and she grew. 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:58.080 An invitational and so then Warbler's new directions with like 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:03.000 three members and vocal Ajorenaline all have to perform, and 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:07.800 she changes the rules after one of them has already gone. Yeah, 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:12.439 because hert locker part one ends after vocal Adorenalins performed, 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:15.360 and then we go to yes and then the top 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:18.800 of to the rules change, it's Warblers the new Drag. 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:20.839 It sounds like you're describing a dream that you had, 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:22.839 which is what's so fun about it. I mean, even 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:25.360 though I hate nobody, nothing's worse than hearing somebody talk 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:29.440 about their dream. Like, it's so funny that that that's 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:32.360 exactly like what it just it's like all kind of 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:33.840 logic is out the window. 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:38.760 And then Sam and Rachel like a form of budding romance. Yeah, 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:41.520 that happens as well during that, which is crazy is. 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:43.360 That the first time that happened. I'm surprised that it 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:44.160 took us that long. 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:48.840 Yeah, yeah, it is the first time it is and 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:49.240 it works. 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:51.840 That's some things like you were saying, like if you 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:53.840 were left to your own devices, it would have just 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:56.520 been let's say, like hurt Locker Part one all the time. 0:12:57.600 --> 0:13:01.120 Yeah kind of, but that would be my it would 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:02.800 be my my reflex. Yeah. 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:06.520 But in amidst all that, there still is always like 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:08.559 there's this nice even though it starts out as a 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:11.000 joke between Rachel and Sam, they have like a really 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:14.680 sweet budding romance. And then like right after this we 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:17.920 go into the transitioning episode, you have like one of 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:23.440 the best things ever with three people on stage singing. 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:26.840 So it's like you still managed to and also that 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:30.160 episode has craziness in it as well, but like you are. 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:36.120 Guit artist. No, it was like that. It was we 0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:37.720 did it. I mean it was so interesting. It was 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:40.280 so prescient and not prescient, but like a bit ahead 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:43.960 of the cultural moment where we did like a bathroom episode. 0:13:44.840 --> 0:13:48.360 I think that's yes, we did that already, Yes, already, 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:51.079 yeah we did with Alex Knowle with. 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:52.960 Yes. 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:56.000 Yes, it has felt. 0:13:55.920 --> 0:14:01.240 Question marks on it, and then it. 0:13:59.360 --> 0:14:03.280 Has felt very strange watching this now I'll. 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:05.720 Bet well it was like this is for that moment. 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:07.760 I mean it was at the sort of like beginning 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:11.679 of that moment. I remember doing for the trans choir 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:14.959 stuff like a lot of research. It was like just 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:18.520 like oh, what is what is this movement? And even 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:21.000 what is it to be transgendered? It was really interesting 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:24.440 and that for that been not like we were ahead 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:27.560 of any time. We were ahead of I think generally like. 0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:30.200 We're not culturally, we were ahead of the movement. 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:33.440 Sort of like like really being culturally front and center 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:34.040 for about. 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:37.280 Hours for sure. But I when has a three hundred 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:40.040 transperson choir been on TV? 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:41.360 Yeah? 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:42.800 Before since? 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:44.360 Yeah? 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:45.880 Yeah, that's so funny. 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:47.920 No, I know, it's crazy. And Rachel moves out of 0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:52.600 her family home like the Dutch house and you guys 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:54.920 do the party in the basement where you all sing 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:55.720 your songs. 0:14:56.040 --> 0:14:58.920 Yeah, but she just comes back. She during the first 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:01.160 episode back from s at six. That's another thing. It's 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:03.360 just like throw it in there, like, oh yeah, gay 0:15:03.440 --> 0:15:10.440 dads are getting divorced or selling the house. What so funny. 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:17.480 It's a really interesting season and you just put like 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:24.960 a real finger on it. For me, what was it like. 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:26.240 Like wrapping it up and doing like two thousand and 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:31.000 nine and the final episode, like writing those. 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:38.200 I don't remember the final episode. I have to be 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:39.080 reminded of what it is. 0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:41.920 It's that's not what I Dreams do come true, dreams 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:44.000 come true, dreams come true. 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:46.640 I remember the I remember the production of it. I 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:49.760 remember the shooting days. I remember the sets being torn down. 0:15:50.080 --> 0:15:55.440 Oh god, I remember that that auditorium set being torn down. 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:58.760 It was all much more like you guys and yes 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:02.040 and the production rather than like writing I have no idea. 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:03.760 I was going to ask you guys, like how did 0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:04.360 we end up? 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:06.960 Well two thousand and nine, we flashed back to the pilot, right, 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:10.240 we do all the like scenes we didn't see the 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:12.120 pilot right, which I loved. 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:13.280 Oh that's a good idea. 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:13.840 Yeah. 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:16.320 I think it was like which one was going to 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:18.480 go first or second, like two thousand and nine, and 0:16:18.520 --> 0:16:23.040 then dreams come true, and then dreams come true. We 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:25.480 fast forward to where everybody is so like Rachel wins 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:29.000 to Tony, she's pregnant already in TEENA end up together. 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:32.360 Every reason New York, like a lot of people are 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:32.800 in New York. 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:34.600 I love those two. 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:36.440 By the way, again, this is like, this is not 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:40.560 This is the whole point of show choirs that like, 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:43.800 it doesn't. Why it's always been funny to me is 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:47.600 that it doesn't end up in like you don't like. 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:51.320 That's what's interesting about That's why it's that's that's the 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:54.880 thing I'm talking about, is that like it's it's about 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:59.320 small town dreams, right, you know, so you want it 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:02.080 to be like the You almost wanted to be like 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:07.680 you know, you guys never leave time. I mean, we 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:10.600 would be so past that it wouldn't work. It would 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:12.359 be a bummer, but it would be like I would 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:14.600 want to do like, oh no, if you're gonna do 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:16.960 a heartfelt moment to be like no, you guys are 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:21.200 like flashboard. You guys have a kid and here she 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:23.880 is doing show Cara and you guys wish you were 0:17:23.960 --> 0:17:27.080 up there, you know, like at a checkout counter and 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:33.760 then like, uh, you know, a stupid job and don't 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:37.320 stop believing comes on or whatever. It's almost that there's 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:42.240 a melancholy to what was so weird about show choirs 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:44.520 that it doesn't it stops after high school? 0:17:44.720 --> 0:17:47.040 Right, it would be like if the new kids come in, 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:50.640 like oh yeah, it wasn't there that like Rachel Barry girl, 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:53.160 whatever happened to her? Right, and like that's it. 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:55.480 Yeah, it's a little bit more like that, but for 0:17:55.560 --> 0:17:57.919 our purposes, it's better to see you want to like 0:17:58.000 --> 0:17:59.680 give these churches a good center. 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:03.240 Dream. Well, given that, now that you say that, what 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:06.160 do you think about the whole Rachel Berry storyline getting 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:08.159 to Broadway? Obviously we kind of had to do that, 0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:11.040 but then so quickly she goes off and does a 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:15.960 pilot and leaves her Broadway dream, and then the pilot fan. 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:19.400 We're talking about it for five seasons, so I know, well. 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:22.159 It's because we clearly didn't. You don't want her to 0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:24.960 get her dream, which why she probably should have done it. 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:27.120 It's that same thing the second we have her dream, 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:29.639 we have to ruin her dream totally. 0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:32.639 Because like that's what you guys it very really fast. 0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:37.160 Yeah, it's about like aspiring to things and not achieving them. 0:18:37.440 --> 0:18:38.960 Not not so interesting. 0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:40.359 That's what to me is. 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:42.639 It's interesting to watching. 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:46.000 About watching a show choir, You're like, if there's something 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:50.000 inherently tragic like baked into to it, you're like, oh, 0:18:50.080 --> 0:18:53.120 this is done, like after your senior year, like you're 0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:56.400 going to become a finance major. Like at back, your 0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:58.480 performing dreams are over unless you want to take it 0:18:58.520 --> 0:19:02.240 to a cruise ship or like performing arts college or 0:19:02.359 --> 0:19:04.000 you know, go to a concert, which we kind of 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:06.000 tried to do, but it was like there, it doesn't 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:10.840 it like ends there. So I think that's why you 0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:12.919 want to get again. It's a good episode to be 0:19:12.960 --> 0:19:16.760 like she's on Broadway, but then you're on Broadway. She's 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:19.199 she won, so we have to buy it back that 0:19:19.240 --> 0:19:21.520 then like no, she fails again and then has to 0:19:21.560 --> 0:19:23.760 come back back to square one. You're like, well, that's 0:19:23.760 --> 0:19:25.800 what it's all about, like getting them back to square one. 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:28.320 It's these like if not being able to get out 0:19:28.440 --> 0:19:31.119 of your you know, there's the reason why the first 0:19:31.119 --> 0:19:34.040 season is so good because they lose. You want to 0:19:34.040 --> 0:19:36.760 lose at the end. And it was like, so it's 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:40.119 like it's a hard it's a hard show to like 0:19:40.960 --> 0:19:44.280 end for that way because you don't want to end 0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:45.879 it a down note, but you do want to end 0:19:46.000 --> 0:19:46.920 a down note kind of. 0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:49.040 Well, it's also true. Jenna and I. At first we're 0:19:49.080 --> 0:19:51.119 like why is this happening? Then I was like, well, Jenna, 0:19:51.800 --> 0:19:56.120 half this cast was from Broadway you included, so you 0:19:56.160 --> 0:20:01.280 all did this, Like this Storytine is very Real's you 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:04.400 all abandoned what you had spent your lives cultivating. That's 0:20:04.440 --> 0:20:07.679 my Broadway career at the first sniff of TV, like 0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:24.800 see Yu lates, How did it. 0:20:24.760 --> 0:20:27.399 Feel for you guys watching the end of it because 0:20:28.080 --> 0:20:34.720 you're has it changed how your experience of the show? Yes, feel. 0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:42.879 Definitely, because I think, especially for seasons five and six, 0:20:43.800 --> 0:20:47.320 I am very much like you were. I would apologize, 0:20:47.320 --> 0:20:49.439 I would over explain you, like, oh, you know it 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:52.320 was it wasn't our best, but you know it was 0:20:52.359 --> 0:20:55.320 like Joe probably should have ended after four, but like whatever, 0:20:57.600 --> 0:20:59.560 and then it started with and I don't say this 0:20:59.720 --> 0:21:03.919 just becase because this is what we're doing. But at 0:21:03.960 --> 0:21:06.000 the end of all of these seasons, we like have 0:21:06.160 --> 0:21:08.200 like Q and A's with fans right in and things 0:21:08.240 --> 0:21:12.359 like that, and it's been so heartening and encouraging to 0:21:12.440 --> 0:21:15.359 hear that we're like, Okay, what should we exeason after season? 0:21:16.200 --> 0:21:20.720 And they've they're the people that you're talking about, where 0:21:20.760 --> 0:21:24.560 like they still care that world is intact, and they 0:21:24.560 --> 0:21:27.240 do understand the show, and they do understand these characters, 0:21:27.840 --> 0:21:30.960 and they love season six for all the reasons why 0:21:31.000 --> 0:21:34.960 you love season six, and so in our in season five, 0:21:35.119 --> 0:21:38.200 like they could find like, sure, some of the story 0:21:38.240 --> 0:21:40.040 was all over the place, but the performances were better 0:21:40.040 --> 0:21:43.639 than ever, Like the musical numbers were incredible, and then 0:21:43.640 --> 0:21:47.159 the New York part was a different show, but it 0:21:47.200 --> 0:21:50.199 was also really good. It just wasn't Glee, but for 0:21:50.240 --> 0:21:53.840 whatever whatever it was, it was excellent. Yeah, And so 0:21:54.119 --> 0:21:56.800 like being able to for my own peace of mind, 0:21:56.840 --> 0:22:01.560 I guess or whatever, being able to to experience that 0:22:02.119 --> 0:22:04.800 and feel all the things that you had already talked 0:22:04.800 --> 0:22:08.679