Speaker 1: And That's what you Really missed with Jenna and Kevin
Speaker 1: an iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 2: Welcome to and That's what You Really miss podcasts. Ian's
Speaker 2: back Part two.
Speaker 1: Baby, we got.
Speaker 3: A part two. Ian is here again. We have more.
Speaker 2: Last week if you didn't listen, we talked all about
Speaker 2: season five, season going into season six, and now we're
Speaker 2: here about to dive into the heart Locker. So let's
Speaker 2: talk about the hert Locker. The heart Locker is completely unhinged, Dan,
Speaker 2: it is beyond unhinged, especially part one, Part one is insanity.
Speaker 2: But then you have Sue on the saw Sue what
Speaker 2: do they call her? Jason Jason on like a flywheeler
Speaker 2: tricycle coming into an elevator.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's on.
Speaker 4: The premise of that she really wants she really ships
Speaker 4: them hard.
Speaker 3: And she wants them to get back together.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no sense, there's no, it's not there's not
Speaker 4: even it's not even in the water of what she
Speaker 4: cares about. Yes, or like, it's very it's very, very unhinged.
Speaker 1: Do you remember where this came from?
Speaker 4: Like, I think the idea of a jig Sue, the
Speaker 4: film The hurt Locker had come out, although that's only
Speaker 4: even like tangentially related.
Speaker 1: To it totally.
Speaker 4: You know, my buddy Lee created Saw, so I've always
Speaker 4: been like severe, like I always Saw. I didn't know
Speaker 4: that and Ellen James wand they like made it. It's
Speaker 4: like how they like it the most successful, most successful
Speaker 4: film franchise of all time based on what they spent
Speaker 4: early on and then like how eleven movies. It invented
Speaker 4: a whole like genre. It's wild but so so uh
Speaker 4: he was like fun fact, Yeah, I just like I don't.
Speaker 4: I think it was one of those hair brain like
Speaker 4: ideas that Ryan had. Was just like I think she
Speaker 4: did really want I want uh, Kurt and Blaine to
Speaker 4: be together, and she's gonna try to force them to
Speaker 4: like that. That was as much of a premise as
Speaker 4: like I would need, and with like a character as
Speaker 4: like funny as that, and an and an actor who
Speaker 4: could just sell anything.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's all.
Speaker 4: I remember. What else happens? What's is there? B story?
Speaker 1: Oh there's Sam's getting hypnotized by two.
Speaker 4: Hilarious right, like a mentorian candidate type thing.
Speaker 1: Yes, to mess up clan and to mess with Rachel
Speaker 1: so she can get all the Glee club broken up. Again. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like club.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and to return to form, it's just like pinking
Speaker 4: the brain again. It's sort of like I take the club.
Speaker 4: That's just like what she's that's so funny that that
Speaker 4: was like. But yeah, then I just remember basically like
Speaker 4: the production value of it was just very It was
Speaker 4: just fun. Everybody just laughed the whole time, maybe because
Speaker 4: like it was almost like we were doing like you
Speaker 4: know how the Simpsons do those Halloween episodes where you
Speaker 4: bracket off the world and you're like, this is just
Speaker 4: fun and they're short and they don't really exist. I
Speaker 4: think that was like that's the sort of fun we
Speaker 4: were sort of having with that whole season. But I
Speaker 4: think it's really the only episode I remember. Remember those
Speaker 4: two from like from season six, the weird like kiss It.
Speaker 4: She has a whole she's a false wall and a
Speaker 4: storage unit.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, so she opens up the storage unit. She
Speaker 2: takes Becky in la car and then there's.
Speaker 1: All of us on like a murder board like.
Speaker 2: Jarn, and then behind that wall is like a kissing
Speaker 2: booth like shrine to Clan.
Speaker 3: And then later in part two, like.
Speaker 2: She she videos them secretly and like spies them, and
Speaker 2: like Becky's like, how did you get this?
Speaker 3: She's like, shut up, Becky, you're ruining this moment for me.
Speaker 1: Because it's a full like come what may the dream sequence?
Speaker 1: And Becky's like, this looks like a dream sequence. How
Speaker 1: did you shut up?
Speaker 2: Becky? It's crazy, it's really over the time. It's campy
Speaker 2: and like in a way that's like the boys see
Speaker 2: the elevator and the new elevator to the auditorium and
Speaker 2: they just like willingly get.
Speaker 1: In it as come.
Speaker 3: From when in the elevator and like it's.
Speaker 1: Just there's a bathroom in the elevator.
Speaker 4: But they like then she's trapped in there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, and they're trapped in there with Jigsaw too.
Speaker 1: I do wonder, I wonder if you remember. I also
Speaker 1: think there's something about when like you, Brad or Ryan
Speaker 1: were directing, there's like a certain freedom for like us,
Speaker 1: yes do this, Yes you could like just play a
Speaker 1: bit more with all of us and change things and
Speaker 1: seeing like Jane and Chord together like during those hypnotizing scenes.
Speaker 1: And also I think Coord is so underrated as a
Speaker 1: comedic actor. I think he's brilliant. Yeah, and and the
Speaker 1: he and Jane were doing with the hypnotizer. I'm like,
Speaker 1: not everybody can sell that, Yeah, and they were selling
Speaker 1: it over and over and over again. And you have
Speaker 1: like the board like you know, like the spiraling hypnotizing
Speaker 1: thing going out behind them, Like do you remember actually
Speaker 1: like working with them like during that process, and we
Speaker 1: were both.
Speaker 4: Good enough that they yeah, you would. I think we
Speaker 4: were just like yeah, I think we were playing so
Speaker 4: fast and loose at that point. It was just like
Speaker 4: any sort of best idea. One if somebody could come
Speaker 4: up with a line or a funnier bid or just
Speaker 4: said thing or just as some as you just keep
Speaker 4: rolling you just don't call cut right, just I just
Speaker 4: will you guys would all do something.
Speaker 1: You could do that, though not every director had that power.
Speaker 4: No, ye, totally, totally. No. It was nice to be
Speaker 4: like this line doesn't work like it was. It was
Speaker 4: really fun and to be like nobody's gonna fire me
Speaker 4: so like it was. You did have that like extra freedom. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it was like almost like that what we're describing is
Speaker 4: like what I if I And again I don't think
Speaker 4: it would have been a better show, But that was
Speaker 4: always like what my conception of the show was. I
Speaker 4: always wanted to be more that and less soap because
Speaker 4: I didn't care about that. I didn't care about like
Speaker 4: are they to get which is which is bad because
Speaker 4: you want things that are funny to have heart, so
Speaker 4: you eat something like that. But I was like, I
Speaker 4: think I would have left my own devices. The show
Speaker 4: would have feared much quicker into that kind of a
Speaker 4: world where it was just sort of overtly funny. And
Speaker 4: I think I was always pushing that even from the beginning.
Speaker 4: There's even lines that I wrote in like the there's
Speaker 4: a line in the pilot for the second episode when
Speaker 4: like Terry's having a hysterical pregnancy and and then it
Speaker 4: turns out but we wanted to be the joke like, no,
Speaker 4: you're not pregnant. You've just been like eating a lot,
Speaker 4: that's why, and you have hysterical pregnancy. He's like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: look at your sonogram, like like in your stomach there's
Speaker 4: a chicken wing. You must have swallowed a hole, which
Speaker 4: is a great joke, but it's like that's what, that's
Speaker 4: not real, right in the fact that you I was like, Oh,
Speaker 4: that's the but that's always the thing I would and
Speaker 4: then like yeah, oh, that's like the line I would cut.
Speaker 4: That's like a not work. That's a different show. And so, like,
Speaker 4: I think what was so fun about six for me
Speaker 4: was it was sort of at that point it was like, oh,
Speaker 4: this is the show I wanted to do the whole time. Wow,
Speaker 4: its like kind of dumb because like show choir is
Speaker 4: kind of dumb, and it's and there weren't any You're
Speaker 4: not really shipping anybody seriously at that point, everybody everybody,
Speaker 4: So even the relationships could be could be like, uh
Speaker 4: like grounds for jokes, right, like you're constantly undercutting. So again,
Speaker 4: this would be like not as successful as show. It
Speaker 4: would have gone for like one season and then would
Speaker 4: have been like, well that's it was like a that
Speaker 4: show got really weird. That's what's so funny is that
Speaker 4: it find that we were finally able to just like
Speaker 4: get weird and somehow clearly like also I think True
Speaker 4: Detective was happening. Then that had to have been what
Speaker 4: the what the the Yes, all your photos on a boat,
Speaker 4: like there's all these weird inputs at the time. Yeah,
Speaker 4: we're just really anyway, that's very funny. So yeah, and
Speaker 4: then right, and then a weird bathroom in.
Speaker 1: The yes, there was a bathroom in the elevator. And
Speaker 1: also there's something about how everybody's I don't know what
Speaker 1: how everybody's performing in the episodes, Like I'm just thinking
Speaker 1: about like Chris noticing the bathroom where there's like a
Speaker 1: because I think maybe what you're saying is like you're
Speaker 1: like throwing everything at the wall, like you're just having fun,
Speaker 1: and everybody is like playing it more grounded. Yes, and
Speaker 1: so everything works because there's some episodes before where I think,
Speaker 1: depending on who's directing it, the acting sort of is
Speaker 1: encouraged to go too far into what that that may
Speaker 1: be crazy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the more absurd a situation, the better ground. I
Speaker 4: remember asking you guys a lot to be like I
Speaker 4: would ask you guys to smell the fart a lot. Yes,
Speaker 4: just clocking like that's weird, that doesn't seem right, and
Speaker 4: that's all. That's as much as you want. Like then
Speaker 4: it to me that I like, the situation is weird,
Speaker 4: but we're watching the characters have to live in the
Speaker 4: situation rather than everything just going off to even though
Speaker 4: off to Mars it certainly goes, but there's sure for me,
Speaker 4: there's some difference. One is one version of that is
Speaker 4: really funny and the other is like unbearably bad.
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, and that's a fine fine line to walk.
Speaker 1: You did you directed her Lucker Part one? Babs did
Speaker 1: part two, which I thought was funny, but also somebody
Speaker 1: who knows the show so incredibly well, Yes, and to
Speaker 1: pull those storylines off, I think you need that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so funny. What happens in the second part.
Speaker 2: The second part is the elevator Elevator Okay, okay, the
Speaker 2: first part is the Discovery. Yes, but is the first
Speaker 2: one where she does a thousand miles yes on the
Speaker 2: piano you have to know, like, but it's just like.
Speaker 4: That was really good. Those are things about the show
Speaker 4: is you're app times are just recreating music videos, which
Speaker 4: is uh fun and not as hard as you would
Speaker 4: think because, uh, these goods don't always have like an
Speaker 4: enormous budget. They're doing things that are usually practical and
Speaker 4: you can mimic them.
Speaker 2: Oh and bitch, which was so weird. And when she
Speaker 2: comes out in the file cabinet and she's her comes
Speaker 2: out of the like when that bitch started happening, I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, okay, I know where we are now.
Speaker 1: It it clicked in for me.
Speaker 2: The second part was also when they go and they
Speaker 2: find suits emotionally what do they call it, like the emotionally.
Speaker 1: Emotional triggering playst.
Speaker 2: Triggering playliss and it must have been love father figure
Speaker 2: and all out of love and they perform all of them,
Speaker 2: and she grew.
Speaker 1: An invitational and so then Warbler's new directions with like
Speaker 1: three members and vocal Ajorenaline all have to perform, and
Speaker 1: she changes the rules after one of them has already gone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because hert locker part one ends after vocal Adorenalins performed,
Speaker 1: and then we go to yes and then the top
Speaker 1: of to the rules change, it's Warblers the new Drag.
Speaker 4: It sounds like you're describing a dream that you had,
Speaker 4: which is what's so fun about it. I mean, even
Speaker 4: though I hate nobody, nothing's worse than hearing somebody talk
Speaker 4: about their dream. Like, it's so funny that that that's
Speaker 4: exactly like what it just it's like all kind of
Speaker 4: logic is out the window.
Speaker 1: And then Sam and Rachel like a form of budding romance. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that happens as well during that, which is crazy is.
Speaker 4: That the first time that happened. I'm surprised that it
Speaker 4: took us that long.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it is the first time it is and
Speaker 2: it works.
Speaker 1: That's some things like you were saying, like if you
Speaker 1: were left to your own devices, it would have just
Speaker 1: been let's say, like hurt Locker Part one all the time.
Speaker 4: Yeah kind of, but that would be my it would
Speaker 4: be my my reflex. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But in amidst all that, there still is always like
Speaker 1: there's this nice even though it starts out as a
Speaker 1: joke between Rachel and Sam, they have like a really
Speaker 1: sweet budding romance. And then like right after this we
Speaker 1: go into the transitioning episode, you have like one of
Speaker 1: the best things ever with three people on stage singing.
Speaker 1: So it's like you still managed to and also that
Speaker 1: episode has craziness in it as well, but like you are.
Speaker 4: Guit artist. No, it was like that. It was we
Speaker 4: did it. I mean it was so interesting. It was
Speaker 4: so prescient and not prescient, but like a bit ahead
Speaker 4: of the cultural moment where we did like a bathroom episode.
Speaker 1: I think that's yes, we did that already, Yes, already,
Speaker 1: yeah we did with Alex Knowle with.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 1: Yes, it has felt.
Speaker 4: Question marks on it, and then it.
Speaker 1: Has felt very strange watching this now I'll.
Speaker 4: Bet well it was like this is for that moment.
Speaker 4: I mean it was at the sort of like beginning
Speaker 4: of that moment. I remember doing for the trans choir
Speaker 4: stuff like a lot of research. It was like just
Speaker 4: like oh, what is what is this movement? And even
Speaker 4: what is it to be transgendered? It was really interesting
Speaker 4: and that for that been not like we were ahead
Speaker 4: of any time. We were ahead of I think generally like.
Speaker 1: We're not culturally, we were ahead of the movement.
Speaker 4: Sort of like like really being culturally front and center
Speaker 4: for about.
Speaker 1: Hours for sure. But I when has a three hundred
Speaker 1: transperson choir been on TV?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Before since?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's so funny.
Speaker 2: No, I know, it's crazy. And Rachel moves out of
Speaker 2: her family home like the Dutch house and you guys
Speaker 2: do the party in the basement where you all sing
Speaker 2: your songs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but she just comes back. She during the first
Speaker 1: episode back from s at six. That's another thing. It's
Speaker 1: just like throw it in there, like, oh yeah, gay
Speaker 1: dads are getting divorced or selling the house. What so funny.
Speaker 3: It's a really interesting season and you just put like
Speaker 3: a real finger on it. For me, what was it like.
Speaker 2: Like wrapping it up and doing like two thousand and
Speaker 2: nine and the final episode, like writing those.
Speaker 4: I don't remember the final episode. I have to be
Speaker 4: reminded of what it is.
Speaker 2: It's that's not what I Dreams do come true, dreams
Speaker 2: come true, dreams come true.
Speaker 4: I remember the I remember the production of it. I
Speaker 4: remember the shooting days. I remember the sets being torn down.
Speaker 4: Oh god, I remember that that auditorium set being torn down.
Speaker 4: It was all much more like you guys and yes
Speaker 4: and the production rather than like writing I have no idea.
Speaker 4: I was going to ask you guys, like how did
Speaker 4: we end up?
Speaker 2: Well two thousand and nine, we flashed back to the pilot, right,
Speaker 2: we do all the like scenes we didn't see the
Speaker 2: pilot right, which I loved.
Speaker 4: Oh that's a good idea.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think it was like which one was going to
Speaker 2: go first or second, like two thousand and nine, and
Speaker 2: then dreams come true, and then dreams come true. We
Speaker 2: fast forward to where everybody is so like Rachel wins
Speaker 2: to Tony, she's pregnant already in TEENA end up together.
Speaker 1: Every reason New York, like a lot of people are
Speaker 1: in New York.
Speaker 3: I love those two.
Speaker 4: By the way, again, this is like, this is not
Speaker 4: This is the whole point of show choirs that like,
Speaker 4: it doesn't. Why it's always been funny to me is
Speaker 4: that it doesn't end up in like you don't like.
Speaker 4: That's what's interesting about That's why it's that's that's the
Speaker 4: thing I'm talking about, is that like it's it's about
Speaker 4: small town dreams, right, you know, so you want it
Speaker 4: to be like the You almost wanted to be like
Speaker 4: you know, you guys never leave time. I mean, we
Speaker 4: would be so past that it wouldn't work. It would
Speaker 4: be a bummer, but it would be like I would
Speaker 4: want to do like, oh no, if you're gonna do
Speaker 4: a heartfelt moment to be like no, you guys are
Speaker 4: like flashboard. You guys have a kid and here she
Speaker 4: is doing show Cara and you guys wish you were
Speaker 4: up there, you know, like at a checkout counter and
Speaker 4: then like, uh, you know, a stupid job and don't
Speaker 4: stop believing comes on or whatever. It's almost that there's
Speaker 4: a melancholy to what was so weird about show choirs
Speaker 4: that it doesn't it stops after high school?
Speaker 1: Right, it would be like if the new kids come in,
Speaker 1: like oh yeah, it wasn't there that like Rachel Barry girl,
Speaker 1: whatever happened to her? Right, and like that's it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a little bit more like that, but for
Speaker 4: our purposes, it's better to see you want to like
Speaker 4: give these churches a good center.
Speaker 2: Dream. Well, given that, now that you say that, what
Speaker 2: do you think about the whole Rachel Berry storyline getting
Speaker 2: to Broadway? Obviously we kind of had to do that,
Speaker 2: but then so quickly she goes off and does a
Speaker 2: pilot and leaves her Broadway dream, and then the pilot fan.
Speaker 1: We're talking about it for five seasons, so I know, well.
Speaker 4: It's because we clearly didn't. You don't want her to
Speaker 4: get her dream, which why she probably should have done it.
Speaker 4: It's that same thing the second we have her dream,
Speaker 4: we have to ruin her dream totally.
Speaker 1: Because like that's what you guys it very really fast.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's about like aspiring to things and not achieving them.
Speaker 1: Not not so interesting.
Speaker 4: That's what to me is.
Speaker 1: It's interesting to watching.
Speaker 4: About watching a show choir, You're like, if there's something
Speaker 4: inherently tragic like baked into to it, you're like, oh,
Speaker 4: this is done, like after your senior year, like you're
Speaker 4: going to become a finance major. Like at back, your
Speaker 4: performing dreams are over unless you want to take it
Speaker 4: to a cruise ship or like performing arts college or
Speaker 4: you know, go to a concert, which we kind of
Speaker 4: tried to do, but it was like there, it doesn't
Speaker 4: it like ends there. So I think that's why you
Speaker 4: want to get again. It's a good episode to be
Speaker 4: like she's on Broadway, but then you're on Broadway. She's
Speaker 4: she won, so we have to buy it back that
Speaker 4: then like no, she fails again and then has to
Speaker 4: come back back to square one. You're like, well, that's
Speaker 4: what it's all about, like getting them back to square one.
Speaker 4: It's these like if not being able to get out
Speaker 4: of your you know, there's the reason why the first
Speaker 4: season is so good because they lose. You want to
Speaker 4: lose at the end. And it was like, so it's
Speaker 4: like it's a hard it's a hard show to like
Speaker 4: end for that way because you don't want to end
Speaker 4: it a down note, but you do want to end
Speaker 4: a down note kind of.
Speaker 1: Well, it's also true. Jenna and I. At first we're
Speaker 1: like why is this happening? Then I was like, well, Jenna,
Speaker 1: half this cast was from Broadway you included, so you
Speaker 1: all did this, Like this Storytine is very Real's you
Speaker 1: all abandoned what you had spent your lives cultivating. That's
Speaker 1: my Broadway career at the first sniff of TV, like
Speaker 1: see Yu lates, How did it.
Speaker 4: Feel for you guys watching the end of it because
Speaker 4: you're has it changed how your experience of the show? Yes, feel.
Speaker 1: Definitely, because I think, especially for seasons five and six,
Speaker 1: I am very much like you were. I would apologize,
Speaker 1: I would over explain you, like, oh, you know it
Speaker 1: was it wasn't our best, but you know it was
Speaker 1: like Joe probably should have ended after four, but like whatever,
Speaker 1: and then it started with and I don't say this
Speaker 1: just becase because this is what we're doing. But at
Speaker 1: the end of all of these seasons, we like have
Speaker 1: like Q and A's with fans right in and things
Speaker 1: like that, and it's been so heartening and encouraging to
Speaker 1: hear that we're like, Okay, what should we exeason after season?
Speaker 1: And they've they're the people that you're talking about, where
Speaker 1: like they still care that world is intact, and they
Speaker 1: do understand the show, and they do understand these characters,
Speaker 1: and they love season six for all the reasons why
Speaker 1: you love season six, and so in our in season five,
Speaker 1: like they could find like, sure, some of the story
Speaker 1: was all over the place, but the performances were better
Speaker 1: than ever, Like the musical numbers were incredible, and then
Speaker 1: the New York part was a different show, but it
Speaker 1: was also really good. It just wasn't Glee, but for
Speaker 1: whatever whatever it was, it was excellent. Yeah, And so
Speaker 1: like being able to for my own peace of mind,
Speaker 1: I guess or whatever, being able to to experience that
Speaker 1: and feel all the things that you had already talked
Speaker 1: about of like, oh no, they you guys really did that.
Speaker 1: Like you guys somehow wrote these seasons during this like
Speaker 1: tumultuous time and like made some really great TV. And
Speaker 1: so it's been nice to see that. And it's also
Speaker 1: been nice to hear from people who feel so positively
Speaker 1: about them. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like oftentimes, like when you talk to people,
Speaker 2: not our fans on this podcast, but like outside, people
Speaker 2: are like, oh, yeah, well the show after season three
Speaker 2: and you're like, yeah, well, like you know it kind
Speaker 2: of you know a lot, there's a new cast and
Speaker 2: they're like, and that guy.
Speaker 1: Died, you know what?
Speaker 2: I mean like it's just that and you're like you're
Speaker 2: making excuses for all of it, and they didn't watch it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And so when we watch it, I'm like, it's like
Speaker 2: a corrective experience for me in a lot of ways,
Speaker 2: because I'm watching the show in a new from a
Speaker 2: new lens with these fans who lived in that world
Speaker 2: all and lived with us for so long, and like committmently,
Speaker 2: we're like, like I made it to the end of
Speaker 2: season six, like I was there.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 2: It's just it was corrective for me because we were
Speaker 2: so deeply intertwined with the emotion of filming it that
Speaker 2: like I didn't watch half those episodes and I didn't
Speaker 2: and I watched didn't watch them for reasons that were
Speaker 2: like I don't this person this thing right now, Like
Speaker 2: I'm not connected to this like it was. It was,
Speaker 2: so there were so many things that were such a
Speaker 2: disconnect for me that rewatching it with the fans in
Speaker 2: mind and with like ten years behind us, it's like
Speaker 2: I am having it, am blast, I'm loving.
Speaker 1: It, I'm appreciating it. We were scared to watch five
Speaker 1: and six and we yeah, having so much fun watching it.
Speaker 3: I just appreciate it, you know, yeah.
Speaker 4: Are you guys glad you got cast?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yes, yes, yeah, that was still the best thing.
Speaker 1: I Like, it's just I think we are such a
Speaker 1: good group, even we do other things like running into
Speaker 1: different departments on different shows, and there's still that sort
Speaker 1: of acknowledgment of like that deep bond of like ah,
Speaker 1: like we see each other a different way like family
Speaker 1: sees each other. And for that and also like you know,
Speaker 1: Oprah and the White House and tour, like you know,
Speaker 1: pretty happy about this, I think.
Speaker 2: As we watch it too, like there was a lot
Speaker 2: of obviously there's a lot of misconceptions, which is like
Speaker 2: partially why we did this podcast was like to debunk
Speaker 2: all the things and all the negativity surrounding the show
Speaker 2: because it's so minimal compared to the joy and the
Speaker 2: pride and like the like the work.
Speaker 3: That we did and the family we have.
Speaker 2: That like we wanted to kind of demystify that for
Speaker 2: everybody and like really dive in. And I just like
Speaker 2: I have so many good memories. Every time we get
Speaker 2: to another episode, You're like, oh, that that was really
Speaker 2: crazy and that story was really and that musical number
Speaker 2: is really hard.
Speaker 1: To shoot, but then you're just like laughing through the memories.
Speaker 3: Like that was we did that?
Speaker 1: We did that? Yeah, of course I was happy to
Speaker 1: be cast. I also think to be on a show
Speaker 1: that I loved how sort of like dark and satirical
Speaker 1: it was from the beginning, like my sense of humor,
Speaker 1: but also the fact that you know, in season six
Speaker 1: you can have a transchuir and like a show that
Speaker 1: meant a lot and means a lot to people that
Speaker 1: had never seen themselves represented and not just like you
Speaker 1: have like a token character and some you you guys
Speaker 1: had fully fledged like different types of people who had
Speaker 1: never seen themselves on broadcast television and they had fully
Speaker 1: rounded characters. Yes, yes, and you know, you get cast
Speaker 1: in something like I'm happy to get a paycheck, happy
Speaker 1: to be employed. I hope it's good, but I can't
Speaker 1: I you know, no promises, and not only like was
Speaker 1: this good and successful? I could also like be and
Speaker 1: still be very proud of it for all of those
Speaker 1: things it did culturally, which is like beyond anybody's expectations.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was extraordinarily famous, which is weird.
Speaker 4: It's still I think that's the weird thing to contextualize,
Speaker 4: you're like, oh, yeah, that thing I did was a
Speaker 4: part of is like very very famous in a way
Speaker 4: per an individual person kind of can't be or isn't anymore.
Speaker 4: And those shows aren't shows aren't famous in that same
Speaker 4: way anymore, Right, So it sort of gets out into
Speaker 4: the ether and then it gets sort of like named
Speaker 4: and defined way and like and then it's another another
Speaker 4: thing that like really it would open my eyes now,
Speaker 4: is like like critics, criticism, Yeah, is so like like
Speaker 4: the show just got savaged week week. It's just by
Speaker 4: like because but I was like by like two writers,
Speaker 4: two TV recaps. I'm even sure that's a job anymore
Speaker 4: five years from now. Like it's just this weird. It's
Speaker 4: a weird moment of time. I wish I could have
Speaker 4: been less encumbered by this, by the echo chamber that
Speaker 4: was commentary about the fame of the show, the all
Speaker 4: of that stuff, because like, the show really really worked
Speaker 4: for me in the times where we like ignored that
Speaker 4: which is a name right at the very end, whereas
Speaker 4: I fully don't care whether and that the journalism writer
Speaker 4: thinks this isn't the most sophisticated show on the planet
Speaker 4: or whatever. Wishes the show were more like yes or whatever,
Speaker 4: you know, like it's just like very strange. I wish
Speaker 4: I hadn't. I wish I had more of a muscle
Speaker 4: to be like or like your opinion, but like nobody cares,
Speaker 4: and it's certainly not driving like viewership, like people are
Speaker 4: like tuning into that website before, like I'm going to
Speaker 4: spend my entertainment dollars this way, Like it's just it's
Speaker 4: just commentary. And I wish now I just don't even
Speaker 4: I don't out it's like a more healthy way to
Speaker 4: do it. But I wish I'd developed that muscle earlier on,
Speaker 4: and I think I would have had a much more
Speaker 4: holistic view of what the show was at the end,
Speaker 4: which was like very fun and very entertaining and quite
Speaker 4: funny a lot of the.
Speaker 1: Time, totally most of the time, totally yes, you.
Speaker 4: Could still I'll bet there's you know, I was always
Speaker 4: probably mentioned this before, but it would be like there
Speaker 4: would be a moment in not every episode where you'd
Speaker 4: be watching it in the hair on the back of
Speaker 4: your neck would stand up. You're like, that's not that's
Speaker 4: what a musical can really do. And we were able
Speaker 4: to do that all the time each other show really
Speaker 4: does know, and that in itself is sort of an
Speaker 4: achievement to sort of invent a sensation that a TV
Speaker 4: show can give you. Is cool.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, well, I mean we were there in the
Speaker 1: trenches with you and that echo chamber. Obviously different capacities
Speaker 1: for sure, But I think for any of us to
Speaker 1: have any sort of real context of what was happening,
Speaker 1: or any sort of wherewithal to know how we should
Speaker 1: handle what was going on there, it was impossible. There
Speaker 1: was no way. You know, Ryan had had success before,
Speaker 1: but not at that level, and so nobody, nobody, even
Speaker 1: at the network, nobody had had that sort of success before,
Speaker 1: and so no one was prepared. And like, I don't think,
Speaker 1: and that's because it's so rare that it ever happens,
Speaker 1: and so like in one breath, it's such a gift
Speaker 1: that we all got to experience that. Yeah, but then
Speaker 1: now you look back, you're like, yeah, I should have
Speaker 1: been done.
Speaker 4: No, I think you guys in particular, but I think
Speaker 4: everybody gets a.
Speaker 1: Pass for like, yeah, I do too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, remarkably normal. Yeah, it was pretty good for being
Speaker 4: sort of shot out of Canada.
Speaker 1: And we all really liked each other. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: still do, like yeah, despite what you know publicly what
Speaker 1: people may think.
Speaker 3: Still like talking about the show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we like all are obsessed with each other
Speaker 1: and I'll get along, like we can text you to
Speaker 1: come on here and you do, which is very nice.
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly do you? How do you feel because you're
Speaker 1: you started this whole thing? Mm hmm, how does it
Speaker 1: feel for you? I guess yeah, a decade after our
Speaker 1: last episode and thinking about none of us would have
Speaker 1: had these jobs. Ryan's career would be very different, Your
Speaker 1: career would be very different. Everybody's.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of people, a lot of people are
Speaker 4: really my own yeah, every yeah, yeah, how do you?
Speaker 1: I don't know if you ever think about that, You're
Speaker 1: not somebody that would be like, you know, I did this.
Speaker 4: Oh no, it feels like an elaborate prank. It feels
Speaker 4: like an elaborate, long.
Speaker 1: Long term prank.
Speaker 4: It would make more sense if just now there was
Speaker 4: a camera crew that was like hah see and that
Speaker 4: was the show than any of these than for this
Speaker 4: to have been real. I really mean that. It's like
Speaker 4: very very weird and very disorienting to think about it,
Speaker 4: because they were very tiny, you know, seconds and inches
Speaker 4: away from this not happening, and I would have I'm
Speaker 4: sure have been I'm a reasonable I was thinking myself
Speaker 4: as like a B plus happiness person anyway, and it's
Speaker 4: like you're just as happy or not as happy as
Speaker 4: you are. But I'm like fairly optimistic, yeah, relatively adaptable
Speaker 4: to situations, and I'm usually about B plus happy all
Speaker 4: the time. So like I would have had a career,
Speaker 4: but it would not have resembled this at all. So
Speaker 4: it's really hard. I think for a long time I
Speaker 4: felt like I was didn't deserve It was a bit
Speaker 4: of survivor's guilt in a way, or sort of like,
Speaker 4: oh I didn't deserve this. I like lucked into this.
Speaker 4: Then after a while I was like no, no, no.
Speaker 4: Rather than being encumbered by that, I was like, I'm
Speaker 4: playing with house money. This is like I should. This
Speaker 4: is actually great because I'm not as encumbered by like
Speaker 4: this was a big gift, but it's still sort of
Speaker 4: like in a way, I'm still feel like I'm still
Speaker 4: riding the same. The best Hollywood advice ever got was like,
Speaker 4: you can't pick your wave. You're surfing, You're waiting for waves.
Speaker 4: You just get on the one you can get up on,
Speaker 4: and that's when you're riding and you can look over
Speaker 4: and see like, oh, they're on that one, but whatever, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm still riding that first wave in a cool way
Speaker 4: that you're like, oh, I'm still standing up, like I
Speaker 4: haven't wiped out yet. That's fun. Yeah, that is cool
Speaker 4: to think of, But it is like it's hard to
Speaker 4: it's other than that, it's really hard to like, uh, contextualize.
Speaker 4: It's such a so strange and so wonderful and actually
Speaker 4: hard to think of. Like, wow, there you you almost
Speaker 4: feel like there's some hand that's reaching down and guiding
Speaker 4: or something. It's just like it's too it's so peculiar
Speaker 4: a result to have just been random. It's really really weird.
Speaker 4: And even that throughout throughout the whole time I do.
Speaker 4: I the one thing I would give my credit myself
Speaker 4: credit for was I think I remember always clocking that
Speaker 4: at least routinely to be like this is weird. I
Speaker 4: can't believe this is like and boy, am I like
Speaker 4: lucky to be here. It's a fine line between feeling
Speaker 4: like you didn't deserve it right and being thankful for
Speaker 4: doesn't isn't even all out of the equation. There's no
Speaker 4: sure nobody deserves anything we get or don't. You just
Speaker 4: get or don't. But no, it's like it's amazing, it's
Speaker 4: it's amazing to to to think about that, like.
Speaker 3: The yeah, well I think that.
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 3: When I look back on like the success that you
Speaker 3: we've had, all of us have had since then, how
Speaker 3: hard we have all collectively worked leading up to that
Speaker 3: and now since then, Like you're still the same person
Speaker 3: that we met twenty years not twenty years ago, fifteen
Speaker 3: years ago.
Speaker 2: Okay, same person still doesn't wear jeans like I you know,
Speaker 2: you're still that same person.
Speaker 3: Like we show up to your birthday.
Speaker 2: Party and you're like it's it's like it's just not
Speaker 2: And I think there's humility and you're a good person
Speaker 2: and you work hard and you put your head down,
Speaker 2: and like, good things happen to good people, and I
Speaker 2: like to continue to believe that even though good things
Speaker 2: happened to bad people do but like, you know, I
Speaker 2: do believe that.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, you can.
Speaker 4: Win a lottery. You can win the lottery, but you
Speaker 4: always have to.
Speaker 1: Keep buying a ticket. Yeah yeah, no, Yeah.
Speaker 4: The other thing that I always say about you guys,
Speaker 4: is that like how hard you guys were just like
Speaker 4: asked to work and forced to work. Like I'm sure
Speaker 4: that those tours were fun, but I think the first one,
Speaker 4: like you didn't get paid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like there were some turd burgers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like swallow.
Speaker 1: We sort of got paid for both, but it was
Speaker 1: a little better.
Speaker 4: Well, there's some moment which remember when they were like,
Speaker 4: we'll pay you in a car. Yes, it was that
Speaker 4: Chevy commercial.
Speaker 1: You don't want a car, you want money.
Speaker 4: There's like you don't want to get like a Chevy.
Speaker 1: Tracks were like no super commercial, we should be getting
Speaker 1: three times that I was like money, we never got
Speaker 1: the car like that.
Speaker 4: Like you guys always very graceful about which I.
Speaker 3: Always well, we tried.
Speaker 1: We could have been a little tall sometimes, but we
Speaker 1: all you know, it's okay.
Speaker 4: Not you too, And I don't that's not that is
Speaker 4: not My memory of the show was like really, but
Speaker 4: that that any behavior or whatever is such a was
Speaker 4: such a such a tiny little portion of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 4: I feel like I almost don't even remember any individual. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's like bigger picture, like I think at
Speaker 2: the end of the day, when we're on that stage
Speaker 2: doing a musical number as a group, and like there's
Speaker 2: just like everybody's there, the crew is there, families have
Speaker 2: to like to go home to, and you're like, this
Speaker 2: isn't about us, this is about something so much bigger
Speaker 2: than me wanting to go home and like have a
Speaker 2: roodom to sleep, like you know, like it was just bigger,
Speaker 2: Like we were part of something really special and like
Speaker 2: that got us through a lot of those times where
Speaker 2: it was really hard. But I think everybody really did
Speaker 2: have that in mind, and still I think when we
Speaker 2: reflect on it, people still feel that way. So everybody
Speaker 2: we talked to, grew cast, everybody is just like so
Speaker 2: happy to talk about the show, so happy to talk
Speaker 2: about the experience, such a good time, trauma bonding a
Speaker 2: little bit, for sure.
Speaker 3: You know, we had highs and we had hig highs
Speaker 3: and lolos.
Speaker 2: So we're so grateful for you, thanks for coming back
Speaker 2: on the show one last time before were.
Speaker 1: Rapping so much time with us again and so generous.
Speaker 4: So it's really fun to talk about because I don't
Speaker 4: otherwise I don't talk about Is.
Speaker 1: There anything else you want to say about it?
Speaker 4: No? No, Just as you were talking there. I was like,
Speaker 4: it is wow, because like I know, because now you know,
Speaker 4: I know children, so occasionally now meet people, you're meeting
Speaker 4: new adults. Yeah, we're all like lovely and interesting. But
Speaker 4: like sometimes sometimes show choir will come up as like
Speaker 4: a thing I did in high school but independent of
Speaker 4: the show, and no one would know that I would
Speaker 4: have any involvement with the show. Yeah, I did catch
Speaker 4: my I sometimes will occasionally catch myself of like begrudging
Speaker 4: the fact that I did it, feeling a little bit
Speaker 4: embarrassed that I was in chow choir. But then I
Speaker 4: always no, I know, I always catch myself because it's
Speaker 4: a little bit embarrassing and I but then I sometimes
Speaker 4: I mean it was a couple of weeks ago I
Speaker 4: sort of caught myself thinking and I was like, no,
Speaker 4: but it all it all worked out. Even though like
Speaker 4: I got, I could have done another I probably could
Speaker 4: have gotten a couple more a's than these those two,
Speaker 4: you know, like those years in school, and I didn't.
Speaker 4: I still have anxiety dreams about it, like my my
Speaker 4: actors night marriage, learning choreography and having a always high
Speaker 4: school it's super super weird, So I like, don't my
Speaker 4: memories of doing it in high school were not not fun?
Speaker 4: What a what a magical turn of events that saying
Speaker 4: this activity that I could never quite that's stuck in
Speaker 4: my crop forever became this thing that is so joyful
Speaker 4: and so at the center of like who of really
Speaker 4: like at the end of my life, just this big,
Speaker 4: big ball experience that will have been at the center
Speaker 4: of it all was based on the thing that I
Speaker 4: was sort of ashamed of at the time. And we
Speaker 4: were terrible and we never want anything. And I was like,
Speaker 4: there's one videotape and it's just like it was like rough, do.
Speaker 1: Your parents have it?
Speaker 4: They did? It's on VHS, so I don't even know
Speaker 4: how you'd watch it, but yeah, me like with a
Speaker 4: crew cut and acne doing down you're rocking the boat
Speaker 4: and we go. It goes into this like steam heat
Speaker 4: or something, and it's fake. It was too hard to
Speaker 4: learn how to actually tap dance, so we're all they
Speaker 4: talk about was just pretending to. Yeah, so it's nice
Speaker 4: that that all ended up. Like it would be cool
Speaker 4: to go back in time to that like kid and
Speaker 4: be like, yes, yeah, guess what, like right before you
Speaker 4: go on, like guess what this is? Gonna be later on.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, yeah, yeah, Wow.
Speaker 1: It's also good to know that you can even still
Speaker 1: have nightmares about your childhood trauma even after having success.
Speaker 1: The biggest success based off of wasn't.
Speaker 4: It was just it just wasn't. I would like to.
Speaker 1: Quote unquote trump like, it wasn't like like.
Speaker 3: I have the dream of like I didn't go to
Speaker 3: class and I have the exam like.
Speaker 2: All the time I had go to lecture hall school,
Speaker 2: like I don't know what's you.
Speaker 4: Know, it's always choreography.
Speaker 1: Based mine on stage with not knowing your lines. I
Speaker 1: got it. And then I've actually been there so.
Speaker 4: Improvise you can't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're good at that.
Speaker 2: I just I just left the stage. I just left
Speaker 2: the stage. I would actually just exit in real life. Okay, Well,
Speaker 2: thank you so much and so good to see you guys.
Speaker 2: Love to see you so good to see you're out
Speaker 2: at some point.
Speaker 4: Thank you guys so much. I love you both so much.
Speaker 1: I love you, say hi to the fam.
Speaker 4: I will bye.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that felt sad again, No, it didn't
Speaker 3: feel sad.
Speaker 1: No, it reminded me of people have been asking me.
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, you're getting close to the end, do
Speaker 1: you feel sad? It's like we're just watching it, like
Speaker 1: you can go watch it anytime you want. I'm definitely
Speaker 1: amazing tarrying him reflect upon his experiences because yeah, we
Speaker 1: don't get to talk to him about this. That often
Speaker 1: made me a little sad. Again.
Speaker 3: Oh not like no, I get it.
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 3: I feel like I get nostalgic when he talks about
Speaker 3: the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in a way, it's such an honor to have Ian,
Speaker 2: who's our friend obviously and close, like just such a
Speaker 2: wonderful human in our lives, but also like he is
Speaker 2: the reason that this show exists.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. He is the reason he had the
Speaker 1: initial idea. Ryan took it and made it into and
Speaker 1: I wrote.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he wrote the screen screenplay about Glee Club show
Speaker 2: Choir that got adapted for with Ryan for.
Speaker 1: Fox and for TV.
Speaker 2: And none of that would have happened without Ian Rennan.
Speaker 2: So thanks for coming on always so willingly to talk
Speaker 2: about Glee.
Speaker 3: We love you, We're nostalgic, we're excited to finish the
Speaker 3: end and sad, but also thank you again. Hope you
Speaker 3: guys enjoyed that.
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