1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: And That's what you Really missed with Jenna and Kevin 2 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: an iHeartRadio podcast. 3 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 2: Welcome to and That's what You Really miss podcasts. Ian's 4 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 2: back Part two. 5 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: Baby, we got. 6 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 3: A part two. Ian is here again. We have more. 7 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:23,920 Speaker 2: Last week if you didn't listen, we talked all about 8 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 2: season five, season going into season six, and now we're 9 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 2: here about to dive into the heart Locker. So let's 10 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,959 Speaker 2: talk about the hert Locker. The heart Locker is completely unhinged, Dan, 11 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 2: it is beyond unhinged, especially part one, Part one is insanity. 12 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 2: But then you have Sue on the saw Sue what 13 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 2: do they call her? Jason Jason on like a flywheeler 14 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 2: tricycle coming into an elevator. 15 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: It's it's it's on. 16 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 4: The premise of that she really wants she really ships 17 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 4: them hard. 18 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 3: And she wants them to get back together. 19 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no sense, there's no, it's not there's not 20 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 4: even it's not even in the water of what she 21 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 4: cares about. Yes, or like, it's very it's very, very unhinged. 22 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: Do you remember where this came from? 23 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 4: Like, I think the idea of a jig Sue, the 24 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 4: film The hurt Locker had come out, although that's only 25 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 4: even like tangentially related. 26 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: To it totally. 27 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 4: You know, my buddy Lee created Saw, so I've always 28 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 4: been like severe, like I always Saw. I didn't know 29 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 4: that and Ellen James wand they like made it. It's 30 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 4: like how they like it the most successful, most successful 31 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 4: film franchise of all time based on what they spent 32 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 4: early on and then like how eleven movies. It invented 33 00:01:55,560 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 4: a whole like genre. It's wild but so so uh 34 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 4: he was like fun fact, Yeah, I just like I don't. 35 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 4: I think it was one of those hair brain like 36 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 4: ideas that Ryan had. Was just like I think she 37 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 4: did really want I want uh, Kurt and Blaine to 38 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 4: be together, and she's gonna try to force them to 39 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 4: like that. That was as much of a premise as 40 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 4: like I would need, and with like a character as 41 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:25,679 Speaker 4: like funny as that, and an and an actor who 42 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:27,239 Speaker 4: could just sell anything. 43 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: Yes, that's all. 44 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 4: I remember. What else happens? What's is there? B story? 45 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: Oh there's Sam's getting hypnotized by two. 46 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 4: Hilarious right, like a mentorian candidate type thing. 47 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 1: Yes, to mess up clan and to mess with Rachel 48 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: so she can get all the Glee club broken up. Again. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 49 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 1: it's like club. 50 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 4: Yeah, and to return to form, it's just like pinking 51 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 4: the brain again. It's sort of like I take the club. 52 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 4: That's just like what she's that's so funny that that 53 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 4: was like. But yeah, then I just remember basically like 54 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 4: the production value of it was just very It was 55 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 4: just fun. Everybody just laughed the whole time, maybe because 56 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 4: like it was almost like we were doing like you 57 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 4: know how the Simpsons do those Halloween episodes where you 58 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 4: bracket off the world and you're like, this is just 59 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 4: fun and they're short and they don't really exist. I 60 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 4: think that was like that's the sort of fun we 61 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:26,679 Speaker 4: were sort of having with that whole season. But I 62 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 4: think it's really the only episode I remember. Remember those 63 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 4: two from like from season six, the weird like kiss It. 64 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 4: She has a whole she's a false wall and a 65 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 4: storage unit. 66 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, so she opens up the storage unit. She 67 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:43,119 Speaker 2: takes Becky in la car and then there's. 68 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: All of us on like a murder board like. 69 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 2: Jarn, and then behind that wall is like a kissing 70 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 2: booth like shrine to Clan. 71 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 3: And then later in part two, like. 72 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 2: She she videos them secretly and like spies them, and 73 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 2: like Becky's like, how did you get this? 74 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 3: She's like, shut up, Becky, you're ruining this moment for me. 75 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: Because it's a full like come what may the dream sequence? 76 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: And Becky's like, this looks like a dream sequence. How 77 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: did you shut up? 78 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 2: Becky? It's crazy, it's really over the time. It's campy 79 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 2: and like in a way that's like the boys see 80 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 2: the elevator and the new elevator to the auditorium and 81 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:24,679 Speaker 2: they just like willingly get. 82 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: In it as come. 83 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 3: From when in the elevator and like it's. 84 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 1: Just there's a bathroom in the elevator. 85 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 4: But they like then she's trapped in there. 86 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, and they're trapped in there with Jigsaw too. 87 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 1: I do wonder, I wonder if you remember. I also 88 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: think there's something about when like you, Brad or Ryan 89 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: were directing, there's like a certain freedom for like us, 90 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: yes do this, Yes you could like just play a 91 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 1: bit more with all of us and change things and 92 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 1: seeing like Jane and Chord together like during those hypnotizing scenes. 93 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 1: And also I think Coord is so underrated as a 94 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 1: comedic actor. I think he's brilliant. Yeah, and and the 95 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: he and Jane were doing with the hypnotizer. I'm like, 96 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: not everybody can sell that, Yeah, and they were selling 97 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: it over and over and over again. And you have 98 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,720 Speaker 1: like the board like you know, like the spiraling hypnotizing 99 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: thing going out behind them, Like do you remember actually 100 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 1: like working with them like during that process, and we 101 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: were both. 102 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 4: Good enough that they yeah, you would. I think we 103 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 4: were just like yeah, I think we were playing so 104 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 4: fast and loose at that point. It was just like 105 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 4: any sort of best idea. One if somebody could come 106 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 4: up with a line or a funnier bid or just 107 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 4: said thing or just as some as you just keep 108 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 4: rolling you just don't call cut right, just I just 109 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:53,119 Speaker 4: will you guys would all do something. 110 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: You could do that, though not every director had that power. 111 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,359 Speaker 4: No, ye, totally, totally. No. It was nice to be 112 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 4: like this line doesn't work like it was. It was 113 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 4: really fun and to be like nobody's gonna fire me 114 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 4: so like it was. You did have that like extra freedom. Yeah, 115 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 4: it was like almost like that what we're describing is 116 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 4: like what I if I And again I don't think 117 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 4: it would have been a better show, But that was 118 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 4: always like what my conception of the show was. I 119 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 4: always wanted to be more that and less soap because 120 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 4: I didn't care about that. I didn't care about like 121 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,919 Speaker 4: are they to get which is which is bad because 122 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 4: you want things that are funny to have heart, so 123 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 4: you eat something like that. But I was like, I 124 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 4: think I would have left my own devices. The show 125 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 4: would have feared much quicker into that kind of a 126 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 4: world where it was just sort of overtly funny. And 127 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 4: I think I was always pushing that even from the beginning. 128 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 4: There's even lines that I wrote in like the there's 129 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 4: a line in the pilot for the second episode when 130 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 4: like Terry's having a hysterical pregnancy and and then it 131 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 4: turns out but we wanted to be the joke like, no, 132 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 4: you're not pregnant. You've just been like eating a lot, 133 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 4: that's why, and you have hysterical pregnancy. He's like, yeah, yeah, 134 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 4: look at your sonogram, like like in your stomach there's 135 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 4: a chicken wing. You must have swallowed a hole, which 136 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 4: is a great joke, but it's like that's what, that's 137 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 4: not real, right in the fact that you I was like, Oh, 138 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 4: that's the but that's always the thing I would and 139 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 4: then like yeah, oh, that's like the line I would cut. 140 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 4: That's like a not work. That's a different show. And so, like, 141 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 4: I think what was so fun about six for me 142 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 4: was it was sort of at that point it was like, oh, 143 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 4: this is the show I wanted to do the whole time. Wow, 144 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 4: its like kind of dumb because like show choir is 145 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 4: kind of dumb, and it's and there weren't any You're 146 00:07:55,520 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 4: not really shipping anybody seriously at that point, everybody everybody, 147 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 4: So even the relationships could be could be like, uh 148 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 4: like grounds for jokes, right, like you're constantly undercutting. So again, 149 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 4: this would be like not as successful as show. It 150 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 4: would have gone for like one season and then would 151 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 4: have been like, well that's it was like a that 152 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 4: show got really weird. That's what's so funny is that 153 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 4: it find that we were finally able to just like 154 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 4: get weird and somehow clearly like also I think True 155 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,079 Speaker 4: Detective was happening. Then that had to have been what 156 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 4: the what the the Yes, all your photos on a boat, 157 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 4: like there's all these weird inputs at the time. Yeah, 158 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 4: we're just really anyway, that's very funny. So yeah, and 159 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 4: then right, and then a weird bathroom in. 160 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 1: The yes, there was a bathroom in the elevator. And 161 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:58,199 Speaker 1: also there's something about how everybody's I don't know what 162 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: how everybody's performing in the episodes, Like I'm just thinking 163 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: about like Chris noticing the bathroom where there's like a 164 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 1: because I think maybe what you're saying is like you're 165 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: like throwing everything at the wall, like you're just having fun, 166 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: and everybody is like playing it more grounded. Yes, and 167 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: so everything works because there's some episodes before where I think, 168 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 1: depending on who's directing it, the acting sort of is 169 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: encouraged to go too far into what that that may 170 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 1: be crazy. 171 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, the more absurd a situation, the better ground. I 172 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 4: remember asking you guys a lot to be like I 173 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 4: would ask you guys to smell the fart a lot. Yes, 174 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 4: just clocking like that's weird, that doesn't seem right, and 175 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 4: that's all. That's as much as you want. Like then 176 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 4: it to me that I like, the situation is weird, 177 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 4: but we're watching the characters have to live in the 178 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 4: situation rather than everything just going off to even though 179 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 4: off to Mars it certainly goes, but there's sure for me, 180 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 4: there's some difference. One is one version of that is 181 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 4: really funny and the other is like unbearably bad. 182 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:10,319 Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, and that's a fine fine line to walk. 183 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: You did you directed her Lucker Part one? Babs did 184 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:16,559 Speaker 1: part two, which I thought was funny, but also somebody 185 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: who knows the show so incredibly well, Yes, and to 186 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: pull those storylines off, I think you need that. 187 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so funny. What happens in the second part. 188 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 2: The second part is the elevator Elevator Okay, okay, the 189 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 2: first part is the Discovery. Yes, but is the first 190 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 2: one where she does a thousand miles yes on the 191 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 2: piano you have to know, like, but it's just like. 192 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 4: That was really good. Those are things about the show 193 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 4: is you're app times are just recreating music videos, which 194 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 4: is uh fun and not as hard as you would 195 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 4: think because, uh, these goods don't always have like an 196 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 4: enormous budget. They're doing things that are usually practical and 197 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 4: you can mimic them. 198 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 2: Oh and bitch, which was so weird. And when she 199 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 2: comes out in the file cabinet and she's her comes 200 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 2: out of the like when that bitch started happening, I 201 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 2: was like, oh, okay, I know where we are now. 202 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 1: It it clicked in for me. 203 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:38,199 Speaker 2: The second part was also when they go and they 204 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 2: find suits emotionally what do they call it, like the emotionally. 205 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: Emotional triggering playst. 206 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 2: Triggering playliss and it must have been love father figure 207 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 2: and all out of love and they perform all of them, 208 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 2: and she grew. 209 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: An invitational and so then Warbler's new directions with like 210 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: three members and vocal Ajorenaline all have to perform, and 211 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: she changes the rules after one of them has already gone. Yeah, 212 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:12,439 Speaker 1: because hert locker part one ends after vocal Adorenalins performed, 213 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: and then we go to yes and then the top 214 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: of to the rules change, it's Warblers the new Drag. 215 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:20,839 Speaker 4: It sounds like you're describing a dream that you had, 216 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:22,839 Speaker 4: which is what's so fun about it. I mean, even 217 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 4: though I hate nobody, nothing's worse than hearing somebody talk 218 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 4: about their dream. Like, it's so funny that that that's 219 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 4: exactly like what it just it's like all kind of 220 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 4: logic is out the window. 221 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: And then Sam and Rachel like a form of budding romance. Yeah, 222 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: that happens as well during that, which is crazy is. 223 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 4: That the first time that happened. I'm surprised that it 224 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 4: took us that long. 225 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it is the first time it is and 226 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 2: it works. 227 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 1: That's some things like you were saying, like if you 228 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: were left to your own devices, it would have just 229 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: been let's say, like hurt Locker Part one all the time. 230 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 4: Yeah kind of, but that would be my it would 231 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 4: be my my reflex. Yeah. 232 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: But in amidst all that, there still is always like 233 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:08,559 Speaker 1: there's this nice even though it starts out as a 234 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: joke between Rachel and Sam, they have like a really 235 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 1: sweet budding romance. And then like right after this we 236 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: go into the transitioning episode, you have like one of 237 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 1: the best things ever with three people on stage singing. 238 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 1: So it's like you still managed to and also that 239 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: episode has craziness in it as well, but like you are. 240 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 4: Guit artist. No, it was like that. It was we 241 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 4: did it. I mean it was so interesting. It was 242 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 4: so prescient and not prescient, but like a bit ahead 243 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 4: of the cultural moment where we did like a bathroom episode. 244 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: I think that's yes, we did that already, Yes, already, 245 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,079 Speaker 1: yeah we did with Alex Knowle with. 246 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 4: Yes. 247 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: Yes, it has felt. 248 00:13:55,920 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 4: Question marks on it, and then it. 249 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: Has felt very strange watching this now I'll. 250 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 4: Bet well it was like this is for that moment. 251 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 4: I mean it was at the sort of like beginning 252 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:11,679 Speaker 4: of that moment. I remember doing for the trans choir 253 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,959 Speaker 4: stuff like a lot of research. It was like just 254 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 4: like oh, what is what is this movement? And even 255 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 4: what is it to be transgendered? It was really interesting 256 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 4: and that for that been not like we were ahead 257 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 4: of any time. We were ahead of I think generally like. 258 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: We're not culturally, we were ahead of the movement. 259 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 4: Sort of like like really being culturally front and center 260 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 4: for about. 261 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: Hours for sure. But I when has a three hundred 262 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: transperson choir been on TV? 263 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 3: Yeah? 264 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 4: Before since? 265 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: Yeah? 266 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's so funny. 267 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 2: No, I know, it's crazy. And Rachel moves out of 268 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 2: her family home like the Dutch house and you guys 269 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 2: do the party in the basement where you all sing 270 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 2: your songs. 271 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, but she just comes back. She during the first 272 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: episode back from s at six. That's another thing. It's 273 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 1: just like throw it in there, like, oh yeah, gay 274 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: dads are getting divorced or selling the house. What so funny. 275 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 3: It's a really interesting season and you just put like 276 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 3: a real finger on it. For me, what was it like. 277 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 2: Like wrapping it up and doing like two thousand and 278 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 2: nine and the final episode, like writing those. 279 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 4: I don't remember the final episode. I have to be 280 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 4: reminded of what it is. 281 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 2: It's that's not what I Dreams do come true, dreams 282 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 2: come true, dreams come true. 283 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 4: I remember the I remember the production of it. I 284 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 4: remember the shooting days. I remember the sets being torn down. 285 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 4: Oh god, I remember that that auditorium set being torn down. 286 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 4: It was all much more like you guys and yes 287 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 4: and the production rather than like writing I have no idea. 288 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 4: I was going to ask you guys, like how did 289 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 4: we end up? 290 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 2: Well two thousand and nine, we flashed back to the pilot, right, 291 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 2: we do all the like scenes we didn't see the 292 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 2: pilot right, which I loved. 293 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 4: Oh that's a good idea. 294 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. 295 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 2: I think it was like which one was going to 296 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 2: go first or second, like two thousand and nine, and 297 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 2: then dreams come true, and then dreams come true. We 298 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 2: fast forward to where everybody is so like Rachel wins 299 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 2: to Tony, she's pregnant already in TEENA end up together. 300 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: Every reason New York, like a lot of people are 301 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: in New York. 302 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 3: I love those two. 303 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 4: By the way, again, this is like, this is not 304 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 4: This is the whole point of show choirs that like, 305 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 4: it doesn't. Why it's always been funny to me is 306 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 4: that it doesn't end up in like you don't like. 307 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 4: That's what's interesting about That's why it's that's that's the 308 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 4: thing I'm talking about, is that like it's it's about 309 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 4: small town dreams, right, you know, so you want it 310 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 4: to be like the You almost wanted to be like 311 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 4: you know, you guys never leave time. I mean, we 312 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 4: would be so past that it wouldn't work. It would 313 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 4: be a bummer, but it would be like I would 314 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 4: want to do like, oh no, if you're gonna do 315 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 4: a heartfelt moment to be like no, you guys are 316 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 4: like flashboard. You guys have a kid and here she 317 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,880 Speaker 4: is doing show Cara and you guys wish you were 318 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 4: up there, you know, like at a checkout counter and 319 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 4: then like, uh, you know, a stupid job and don't 320 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 4: stop believing comes on or whatever. It's almost that there's 321 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 4: a melancholy to what was so weird about show choirs 322 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 4: that it doesn't it stops after high school? 323 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: Right, it would be like if the new kids come in, 324 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,640 Speaker 1: like oh yeah, it wasn't there that like Rachel Barry girl, 325 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 1: whatever happened to her? Right, and like that's it. 326 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a little bit more like that, but for 327 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:57,919 Speaker 4: our purposes, it's better to see you want to like 328 00:17:58,000 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 4: give these churches a good center. 329 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 2: Dream. Well, given that, now that you say that, what 330 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 2: do you think about the whole Rachel Berry storyline getting 331 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 2: to Broadway? Obviously we kind of had to do that, 332 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 2: but then so quickly she goes off and does a 333 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 2: pilot and leaves her Broadway dream, and then the pilot fan. 334 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:19,400 Speaker 1: We're talking about it for five seasons, so I know, well. 335 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 4: It's because we clearly didn't. You don't want her to 336 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 4: get her dream, which why she probably should have done it. 337 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,120 Speaker 4: It's that same thing the second we have her dream, 338 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 4: we have to ruin her dream totally. 339 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 1: Because like that's what you guys it very really fast. 340 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:37,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's about like aspiring to things and not achieving them. 341 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 1: Not not so interesting. 342 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 4: That's what to me is. 343 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 1: It's interesting to watching. 344 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 4: About watching a show choir, You're like, if there's something 345 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 4: inherently tragic like baked into to it, you're like, oh, 346 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:53,120 Speaker 4: this is done, like after your senior year, like you're 347 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,400 Speaker 4: going to become a finance major. Like at back, your 348 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 4: performing dreams are over unless you want to take it 349 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 4: to a cruise ship or like performing arts college or 350 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 4: you know, go to a concert, which we kind of 351 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 4: tried to do, but it was like there, it doesn't 352 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 4: it like ends there. So I think that's why you 353 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:12,919 Speaker 4: want to get again. It's a good episode to be 354 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 4: like she's on Broadway, but then you're on Broadway. She's 355 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,199 Speaker 4: she won, so we have to buy it back that 356 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 4: then like no, she fails again and then has to 357 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 4: come back back to square one. You're like, well, that's 358 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 4: what it's all about, like getting them back to square one. 359 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 4: It's these like if not being able to get out 360 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 4: of your you know, there's the reason why the first 361 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 4: season is so good because they lose. You want to 362 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 4: lose at the end. And it was like, so it's 363 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 4: like it's a hard it's a hard show to like 364 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 4: end for that way because you don't want to end 365 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 4: it a down note, but you do want to end 366 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 4: a down note kind of. 367 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: Well, it's also true. Jenna and I. At first we're 368 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 1: like why is this happening? Then I was like, well, Jenna, 369 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:56,120 Speaker 1: half this cast was from Broadway you included, so you 370 00:19:56,160 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: all did this, Like this Storytine is very Real's you 371 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,400 Speaker 1: all abandoned what you had spent your lives cultivating. That's 372 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,679 Speaker 1: my Broadway career at the first sniff of TV, like 373 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: see Yu lates, How did it. 374 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 4: Feel for you guys watching the end of it because 375 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 4: you're has it changed how your experience of the show? Yes, feel. 376 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 1: Definitely, because I think, especially for seasons five and six, 377 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: I am very much like you were. I would apologize, 378 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:49,439 Speaker 1: I would over explain you, like, oh, you know it 379 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: was it wasn't our best, but you know it was 380 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: like Joe probably should have ended after four, but like whatever, 381 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: and then it started with and I don't say this 382 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:03,919 Speaker 1: just becase because this is what we're doing. But at 383 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: the end of all of these seasons, we like have 384 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 1: like Q and A's with fans right in and things 385 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 1: like that, and it's been so heartening and encouraging to 386 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 1: hear that we're like, Okay, what should we exeason after season? 387 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 1: And they've they're the people that you're talking about, where 388 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: like they still care that world is intact, and they 389 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: do understand the show, and they do understand these characters, 390 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: and they love season six for all the reasons why 391 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 1: you love season six, and so in our in season five, 392 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 1: like they could find like, sure, some of the story 393 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: was all over the place, but the performances were better 394 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 1: than ever, Like the musical numbers were incredible, and then 395 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 1: the New York part was a different show, but it 396 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,199 Speaker 1: was also really good. It just wasn't Glee, but for 397 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: whatever whatever it was, it was excellent. Yeah, And so 398 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: like being able to for my own peace of mind, 399 00:21:56,840 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: I guess or whatever, being able to to experience that 400 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: and feel all the things that you had already talked 401 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:08,679 Speaker 1: about of like, oh no, they you guys really did that. 402 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: Like you guys somehow wrote these seasons during this like 403 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: tumultuous time and like made some really great TV. And 404 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 1: so it's been nice to see that. And it's also 405 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 1: been nice to hear from people who feel so positively 406 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 1: about them. Yeah. 407 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like oftentimes, like when you talk to people, 408 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,640 Speaker 2: not our fans on this podcast, but like outside, people 409 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 2: are like, oh, yeah, well the show after season three 410 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 2: and you're like, yeah, well, like you know it kind 411 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 2: of you know a lot, there's a new cast and 412 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 2: they're like, and that guy. 413 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:38,959 Speaker 1: Died, you know what? 414 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 2: I mean like it's just that and you're like you're 415 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 2: making excuses for all of it, and they didn't watch it. Yeah, 416 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 2: And so when we watch it, I'm like, it's like 417 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,959 Speaker 2: a corrective experience for me in a lot of ways, 418 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,919 Speaker 2: because I'm watching the show in a new from a 419 00:22:55,960 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 2: new lens with these fans who lived in that world 420 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 2: all and lived with us for so long, and like committmently, 421 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 2: we're like, like I made it to the end of 422 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 2: season six, like I was there. 423 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:09,479 Speaker 1: It was. 424 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 2: It's just it was corrective for me because we were 425 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:20,199 Speaker 2: so deeply intertwined with the emotion of filming it that 426 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 2: like I didn't watch half those episodes and I didn't 427 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 2: and I watched didn't watch them for reasons that were 428 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 2: like I don't this person this thing right now, Like 429 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,919 Speaker 2: I'm not connected to this like it was. It was, 430 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 2: so there were so many things that were such a 431 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 2: disconnect for me that rewatching it with the fans in 432 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:43,439 Speaker 2: mind and with like ten years behind us, it's like 433 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 2: I am having it, am blast, I'm loving. 434 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: It, I'm appreciating it. We were scared to watch five 435 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 1: and six and we yeah, having so much fun watching it. 436 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 3: I just appreciate it, you know, yeah. 437 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 4: Are you guys glad you got cast? 438 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:07,120 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yes, yes, yeah, that was still the best thing. 439 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: I Like, it's just I think we are such a 440 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: good group, even we do other things like running into 441 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 1: different departments on different shows, and there's still that sort 442 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:27,919 Speaker 1: of acknowledgment of like that deep bond of like ah, 443 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: like we see each other a different way like family 444 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 1: sees each other. And for that and also like you know, 445 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,919 Speaker 1: Oprah and the White House and tour, like you know, 446 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,439 Speaker 1: pretty happy about this, I think. 447 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 2: As we watch it too, like there was a lot 448 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,919 Speaker 2: of obviously there's a lot of misconceptions, which is like 449 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 2: partially why we did this podcast was like to debunk 450 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 2: all the things and all the negativity surrounding the show 451 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 2: because it's so minimal compared to the joy and the 452 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 2: pride and like the like the work. 453 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 3: That we did and the family we have. 454 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:07,199 Speaker 2: That like we wanted to kind of demystify that for 455 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 2: everybody and like really dive in. And I just like 456 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 2: I have so many good memories. Every time we get 457 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 2: to another episode, You're like, oh, that that was really 458 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 2: crazy and that story was really and that musical number 459 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 2: is really hard. 460 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,640 Speaker 1: To shoot, but then you're just like laughing through the memories. 461 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 3: Like that was we did that? 462 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 1: We did that? Yeah, of course I was happy to 463 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,680 Speaker 1: be cast. I also think to be on a show 464 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: that I loved how sort of like dark and satirical 465 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,439 Speaker 1: it was from the beginning, like my sense of humor, 466 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,360 Speaker 1: but also the fact that you know, in season six 467 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 1: you can have a transchuir and like a show that 468 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,439 Speaker 1: meant a lot and means a lot to people that 469 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 1: had never seen themselves represented and not just like you 470 00:25:56,240 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 1: have like a token character and some you you guys 471 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 1: had fully fledged like different types of people who had 472 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 1: never seen themselves on broadcast television and they had fully 473 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 1: rounded characters. Yes, yes, and you know, you get cast 474 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,439 Speaker 1: in something like I'm happy to get a paycheck, happy 475 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: to be employed. I hope it's good, but I can't 476 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 1: I you know, no promises, and not only like was 477 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: this good and successful? I could also like be and 478 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,400 Speaker 1: still be very proud of it for all of those 479 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 1: things it did culturally, which is like beyond anybody's expectations. 480 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was extraordinarily famous, which is weird. 481 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 4: It's still I think that's the weird thing to contextualize, 482 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 4: you're like, oh, yeah, that thing I did was a 483 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 4: part of is like very very famous in a way 484 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,880 Speaker 4: per an individual person kind of can't be or isn't anymore. 485 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 4: And those shows aren't shows aren't famous in that same 486 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,640 Speaker 4: way anymore, Right, So it sort of gets out into 487 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 4: the ether and then it gets sort of like named 488 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 4: and defined way and like and then it's another another 489 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,680 Speaker 4: thing that like really it would open my eyes now, 490 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:16,679 Speaker 4: is like like critics, criticism, Yeah, is so like like 491 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 4: the show just got savaged week week. It's just by 492 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 4: like because but I was like by like two writers, 493 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 4: two TV recaps. I'm even sure that's a job anymore 494 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 4: five years from now. Like it's just this weird. It's 495 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 4: a weird moment of time. I wish I could have 496 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 4: been less encumbered by this, by the echo chamber that 497 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 4: was commentary about the fame of the show, the all 498 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,199 Speaker 4: of that stuff, because like, the show really really worked 499 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 4: for me in the times where we like ignored that 500 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 4: which is a name right at the very end, whereas 501 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:05,159 Speaker 4: I fully don't care whether and that the journalism writer 502 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 4: thinks this isn't the most sophisticated show on the planet 503 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 4: or whatever. Wishes the show were more like yes or whatever, 504 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,640 Speaker 4: you know, like it's just like very strange. I wish 505 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 4: I hadn't. I wish I had more of a muscle 506 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,880 Speaker 4: to be like or like your opinion, but like nobody cares, 507 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,439 Speaker 4: and it's certainly not driving like viewership, like people are 508 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 4: like tuning into that website before, like I'm going to 509 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 4: spend my entertainment dollars this way, Like it's just it's 510 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 4: just commentary. And I wish now I just don't even 511 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 4: I don't out it's like a more healthy way to 512 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 4: do it. But I wish I'd developed that muscle earlier on, 513 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 4: and I think I would have had a much more 514 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 4: holistic view of what the show was at the end, 515 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 4: which was like very fun and very entertaining and quite 516 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 4: funny a lot of the. 517 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: Time, totally most of the time, totally yes, you. 518 00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 4: Could still I'll bet there's you know, I was always 519 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 4: probably mentioned this before, but it would be like there 520 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 4: would be a moment in not every episode where you'd 521 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 4: be watching it in the hair on the back of 522 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 4: your neck would stand up. You're like, that's not that's 523 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 4: what a musical can really do. And we were able 524 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 4: to do that all the time each other show really 525 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,719 Speaker 4: does know, and that in itself is sort of an 526 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 4: achievement to sort of invent a sensation that a TV 527 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 4: show can give you. Is cool. 528 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, well, I mean we were there in the 529 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 1: trenches with you and that echo chamber. Obviously different capacities 530 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 1: for sure, But I think for any of us to 531 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 1: have any sort of real context of what was happening, 532 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 1: or any sort of wherewithal to know how we should 533 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: handle what was going on there, it was impossible. There 534 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 1: was no way. You know, Ryan had had success before, 535 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 1: but not at that level, and so nobody, nobody, even 536 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 1: at the network, nobody had had that sort of success before, 537 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 1: and so no one was prepared. And like, I don't think, 538 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 1: and that's because it's so rare that it ever happens, 539 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 1: and so like in one breath, it's such a gift 540 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 1: that we all got to experience that. Yeah, but then 541 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 1: now you look back, you're like, yeah, I should have 542 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: been done. 543 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 4: No, I think you guys in particular, but I think 544 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 4: everybody gets a. 545 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 1: Pass for like, yeah, I do too. 546 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, remarkably normal. Yeah, it was pretty good for being 547 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 4: sort of shot out of Canada. 548 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: And we all really liked each other. Yeah, yeah, I 549 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 1: still do, like yeah, despite what you know publicly what 550 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 1: people may think. 551 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 3: Still like talking about the show. 552 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, and we like all are obsessed with each other 553 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: and I'll get along, like we can text you to 554 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 1: come on here and you do, which is very nice. 555 00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: Exactly exactly do you? How do you feel because you're 556 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 1: you started this whole thing? Mm hmm, how does it 557 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 1: feel for you? I guess yeah, a decade after our 558 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 1: last episode and thinking about none of us would have 559 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 1: had these jobs. Ryan's career would be very different, Your 560 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: career would be very different. Everybody's. 561 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of people, a lot of people are 562 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 4: really my own yeah, every yeah, yeah, how do you? 563 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 1: I don't know if you ever think about that, You're 564 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 1: not somebody that would be like, you know, I did this. 565 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 4: Oh no, it feels like an elaborate prank. It feels 566 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 4: like an elaborate, long. 567 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 1: Long term prank. 568 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 4: It would make more sense if just now there was 569 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 4: a camera crew that was like hah see and that 570 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 4: was the show than any of these than for this 571 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 4: to have been real. I really mean that. It's like 572 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,239 Speaker 4: very very weird and very disorienting to think about it, 573 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 4: because they were very tiny, you know, seconds and inches 574 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 4: away from this not happening, and I would have I'm 575 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 4: sure have been I'm a reasonable I was thinking myself 576 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 4: as like a B plus happiness person anyway, and it's 577 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,479 Speaker 4: like you're just as happy or not as happy as 578 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 4: you are. But I'm like fairly optimistic, yeah, relatively adaptable 579 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 4: to situations, and I'm usually about B plus happy all 580 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 4: the time. So like I would have had a career, 581 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 4: but it would not have resembled this at all. So 582 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 4: it's really hard. I think for a long time I 583 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 4: felt like I was didn't deserve It was a bit 584 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 4: of survivor's guilt in a way, or sort of like, 585 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 4: oh I didn't deserve this. I like lucked into this. 586 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 4: Then after a while I was like no, no, no. 587 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 4: Rather than being encumbered by that, I was like, I'm 588 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 4: playing with house money. This is like I should. This 589 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 4: is actually great because I'm not as encumbered by like 590 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 4: this was a big gift, but it's still sort of 591 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 4: like in a way, I'm still feel like I'm still 592 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 4: riding the same. The best Hollywood advice ever got was like, 593 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 4: you can't pick your wave. You're surfing, You're waiting for waves. 594 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 4: You just get on the one you can get up on, 595 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 4: and that's when you're riding and you can look over 596 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 4: and see like, oh, they're on that one, but whatever, Yeah, 597 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 4: I'm still riding that first wave in a cool way 598 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 4: that you're like, oh, I'm still standing up, like I 599 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 4: haven't wiped out yet. That's fun. Yeah, that is cool 600 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 4: to think of, But it is like it's hard to 601 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 4: it's other than that, it's really hard to like, uh, contextualize. 602 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 4: It's such a so strange and so wonderful and actually 603 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 4: hard to think of. Like, wow, there you you almost 604 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 4: feel like there's some hand that's reaching down and guiding 605 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 4: or something. It's just like it's too it's so peculiar 606 00:33:55,760 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 4: a result to have just been random. It's really really weird. 607 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 4: And even that throughout throughout the whole time I do. 608 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,360 Speaker 4: I the one thing I would give my credit myself 609 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,880 Speaker 4: credit for was I think I remember always clocking that 610 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,360 Speaker 4: at least routinely to be like this is weird. I 611 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 4: can't believe this is like and boy, am I like 612 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 4: lucky to be here. It's a fine line between feeling 613 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 4: like you didn't deserve it right and being thankful for 614 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 4: doesn't isn't even all out of the equation. There's no 615 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 4: sure nobody deserves anything we get or don't. You just 616 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 4: get or don't. But no, it's like it's amazing, it's 617 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 4: it's amazing to to to think about that, like. 618 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,839 Speaker 3: The yeah, well I think that. 619 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 1: I mean. 620 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 3: When I look back on like the success that you 621 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:55,359 Speaker 3: we've had, all of us have had since then, how 622 00:34:55,400 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 3: hard we have all collectively worked leading up to that 623 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:05,920 Speaker 3: and now since then, Like you're still the same person 624 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 3: that we met twenty years not twenty years ago, fifteen 625 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 3: years ago. 626 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 2: Okay, same person still doesn't wear jeans like I you know, 627 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:19,720 Speaker 2: you're still that same person. 628 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:21,759 Speaker 3: Like we show up to your birthday. 629 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 2: Party and you're like it's it's like it's just not 630 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 2: And I think there's humility and you're a good person 631 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 2: and you work hard and you put your head down, 632 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 2: and like, good things happen to good people, and I 633 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,319 Speaker 2: like to continue to believe that even though good things 634 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 2: happened to bad people do but like, you know, I 635 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:40,359 Speaker 2: do believe that. 636 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:41,479 Speaker 1: So, yeah, you can. 637 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 4: Win a lottery. You can win the lottery, but you 638 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:43,759 Speaker 4: always have to. 639 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,799 Speaker 1: Keep buying a ticket. Yeah yeah, no, Yeah. 640 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,240 Speaker 4: The other thing that I always say about you guys, 641 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 4: is that like how hard you guys were just like 642 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,279 Speaker 4: asked to work and forced to work. Like I'm sure 643 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 4: that those tours were fun, but I think the first one, 644 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 4: like you didn't get paid. 645 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:07,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, like there were some turd burgers. 646 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, like swallow. 647 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 1: We sort of got paid for both, but it was 648 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 1: a little better. 649 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 4: Well, there's some moment which remember when they were like, 650 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 4: we'll pay you in a car. Yes, it was that 651 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:20,880 Speaker 4: Chevy commercial. 652 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,320 Speaker 1: You don't want a car, you want money. 653 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 4: There's like you don't want to get like a Chevy. 654 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 1: Tracks were like no super commercial, we should be getting 655 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:37,920 Speaker 1: three times that I was like money, we never got 656 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 1: the car like that. 657 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 4: Like you guys always very graceful about which I. 658 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 3: Always well, we tried. 659 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 1: We could have been a little tall sometimes, but we 660 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:50,440 Speaker 1: all you know, it's okay. 661 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 4: Not you too, And I don't that's not that is 662 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,319 Speaker 4: not My memory of the show was like really, but 663 00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 4: that that any behavior or whatever is such a was 664 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:07,879 Speaker 4: such a such a tiny little portion of it. 665 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree. 666 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,959 Speaker 4: I feel like I almost don't even remember any individual. Yeah. 667 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's like bigger picture, like I think at 668 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,720 Speaker 2: the end of the day, when we're on that stage 669 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,319 Speaker 2: doing a musical number as a group, and like there's 670 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,880 Speaker 2: just like everybody's there, the crew is there, families have 671 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,480 Speaker 2: to like to go home to, and you're like, this 672 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,520 Speaker 2: isn't about us, this is about something so much bigger 673 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,320 Speaker 2: than me wanting to go home and like have a 674 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,640 Speaker 2: roodom to sleep, like you know, like it was just bigger, 675 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,319 Speaker 2: Like we were part of something really special and like 676 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,720 Speaker 2: that got us through a lot of those times where 677 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:48,239 Speaker 2: it was really hard. But I think everybody really did 678 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,680 Speaker 2: have that in mind, and still I think when we 679 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,760 Speaker 2: reflect on it, people still feel that way. So everybody 680 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:59,560 Speaker 2: we talked to, grew cast, everybody is just like so 681 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,520 Speaker 2: happy to talk about the show, so happy to talk 682 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,440 Speaker 2: about the experience, such a good time, trauma bonding a 683 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:06,400 Speaker 2: little bit, for sure. 684 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,600 Speaker 3: You know, we had highs and we had hig highs 685 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:10,319 Speaker 3: and lolos. 686 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 2: So we're so grateful for you, thanks for coming back 687 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,120 Speaker 2: on the show one last time before were. 688 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,840 Speaker 1: Rapping so much time with us again and so generous. 689 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,879 Speaker 4: So it's really fun to talk about because I don't 690 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 4: otherwise I don't talk about Is. 691 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 1: There anything else you want to say about it? 692 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,840 Speaker 4: No? No, Just as you were talking there. I was like, 693 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,680 Speaker 4: it is wow, because like I know, because now you know, 694 00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:36,040 Speaker 4: I know children, so occasionally now meet people, you're meeting 695 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 4: new adults. Yeah, we're all like lovely and interesting. But 696 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:44,440 Speaker 4: like sometimes sometimes show choir will come up as like 697 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,319 Speaker 4: a thing I did in high school but independent of 698 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:48,879 Speaker 4: the show, and no one would know that I would 699 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,560 Speaker 4: have any involvement with the show. Yeah, I did catch 700 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:55,879 Speaker 4: my I sometimes will occasionally catch myself of like begrudging 701 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,200 Speaker 4: the fact that I did it, feeling a little bit 702 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,960 Speaker 4: embarrassed that I was in chow choir. But then I 703 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,640 Speaker 4: always no, I know, I always catch myself because it's 704 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,200 Speaker 4: a little bit embarrassing and I but then I sometimes 705 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:09,239 Speaker 4: I mean it was a couple of weeks ago I 706 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,399 Speaker 4: sort of caught myself thinking and I was like, no, 707 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 4: but it all it all worked out. Even though like 708 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,040 Speaker 4: I got, I could have done another I probably could 709 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:26,080 Speaker 4: have gotten a couple more a's than these those two, 710 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,719 Speaker 4: you know, like those years in school, and I didn't. 711 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,040 Speaker 4: I still have anxiety dreams about it, like my my 712 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:35,120 Speaker 4: actors night marriage, learning choreography and having a always high 713 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,000 Speaker 4: school it's super super weird, So I like, don't my 714 00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,640 Speaker 4: memories of doing it in high school were not not fun? 715 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,280 Speaker 4: What a what a magical turn of events that saying 716 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,880 Speaker 4: this activity that I could never quite that's stuck in 717 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:53,240 Speaker 4: my crop forever became this thing that is so joyful 718 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:57,040 Speaker 4: and so at the center of like who of really 719 00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,080 Speaker 4: like at the end of my life, just this big, 720 00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,759 Speaker 4: big ball experience that will have been at the center 721 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:03,640 Speaker 4: of it all was based on the thing that I 722 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:05,080 Speaker 4: was sort of ashamed of at the time. And we 723 00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,080 Speaker 4: were terrible and we never want anything. And I was like, 724 00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:12,200 Speaker 4: there's one videotape and it's just like it was like rough, do. 725 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,240 Speaker 1: Your parents have it? 726 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,360 Speaker 4: They did? It's on VHS, so I don't even know 727 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,120 Speaker 4: how you'd watch it, but yeah, me like with a 728 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,160 Speaker 4: crew cut and acne doing down you're rocking the boat 729 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,439 Speaker 4: and we go. It goes into this like steam heat 730 00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:29,200 Speaker 4: or something, and it's fake. It was too hard to 731 00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,440 Speaker 4: learn how to actually tap dance, so we're all they 732 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:35,799 Speaker 4: talk about was just pretending to. Yeah, so it's nice 733 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,000 Speaker 4: that that all ended up. Like it would be cool 734 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,680 Speaker 4: to go back in time to that like kid and 735 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:45,600 Speaker 4: be like, yes, yeah, guess what, like right before you 736 00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,080 Speaker 4: go on, like guess what this is? Gonna be later on. 737 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,200 Speaker 2: Like yeah, yeah, yeah, Wow. 738 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,880 Speaker 1: It's also good to know that you can even still 739 00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:59,480 Speaker 1: have nightmares about your childhood trauma even after having success. 740 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,200 Speaker 1: The biggest success based off of wasn't. 741 00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:04,360 Speaker 4: It was just it just wasn't. I would like to. 742 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,440 Speaker 1: Quote unquote trump like, it wasn't like like. 743 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:09,640 Speaker 3: I have the dream of like I didn't go to 744 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,399 Speaker 3: class and I have the exam like. 745 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:15,480 Speaker 2: All the time I had go to lecture hall school, 746 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:16,799 Speaker 2: like I don't know what's you. 747 00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,080 Speaker 4: Know, it's always choreography. 748 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:22,360 Speaker 1: Based mine on stage with not knowing your lines. I 749 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,160 Speaker 1: got it. And then I've actually been there so. 750 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,320 Speaker 4: Improvise you can't. 751 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:30,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're good at that. 752 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,960 Speaker 2: I just I just left the stage. I just left 753 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:39,799 Speaker 2: the stage. I would actually just exit in real life. Okay, Well, 754 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,040 Speaker 2: thank you so much and so good to see you guys. 755 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,200 Speaker 2: Love to see you so good to see you're out 756 00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:45,920 Speaker 2: at some point. 757 00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:47,960 Speaker 4: Thank you guys so much. I love you both so much. 758 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,160 Speaker 1: I love you, say hi to the fam. 759 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:51,240 Speaker 4: I will bye. 760 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,919 Speaker 3: Oh my god, that felt sad again, No, it didn't 761 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:55,720 Speaker 3: feel sad. 762 00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,440 Speaker 1: No, it reminded me of people have been asking me. 763 00:41:58,440 --> 00:41:59,680 Speaker 1: You're like, oh, you're getting close to the end, do 764 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,440 Speaker 1: you feel sad? It's like we're just watching it, like 765 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,120 Speaker 1: you can go watch it anytime you want. I'm definitely 766 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:10,040 Speaker 1: amazing tarrying him reflect upon his experiences because yeah, we 767 00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:11,640 Speaker 1: don't get to talk to him about this. That often 768 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:13,359 Speaker 1: made me a little sad. Again. 769 00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,359 Speaker 3: Oh not like no, I get it. 770 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:17,680 Speaker 1: I get it. 771 00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,439 Speaker 3: I feel like I get nostalgic when he talks about 772 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:20,719 Speaker 3: the show. 773 00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, in a way, it's such an honor to have Ian, 774 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:29,239 Speaker 2: who's our friend obviously and close, like just such a 775 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,319 Speaker 2: wonderful human in our lives, but also like he is 776 00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,800 Speaker 2: the reason that this show exists. 777 00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. He is the reason he had the 778 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,480 Speaker 1: initial idea. Ryan took it and made it into and 779 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:42,480 Speaker 1: I wrote. 780 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, he wrote the screen screenplay about Glee Club show 781 00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:49,799 Speaker 2: Choir that got adapted for with Ryan for. 782 00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:51,280 Speaker 1: Fox and for TV. 783 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,160 Speaker 2: And none of that would have happened without Ian Rennan. 784 00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:59,239 Speaker 2: So thanks for coming on always so willingly to talk 785 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,360 Speaker 2: about Glee. 786 00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:07,000 Speaker 3: We love you, We're nostalgic, we're excited to finish the 787 00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,719 Speaker 3: end and sad, but also thank you again. Hope you 788 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:11,440 Speaker 3: guys enjoyed that. 789 00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,720 Speaker 1: Thanks for sharing. That was illuminating. That's what you really missed. 790 00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,319 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening, and follow us on Instagram at and 791 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,640 Speaker 1: That's what you really miss pod. Make sure to write 792 00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,000 Speaker 1: us a review and leave us five stars. See you 793 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:23,399 Speaker 1: next time.