1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called 6 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined us always with our super producer 7 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 1: Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you. 8 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't 9 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: want you to know. For several folks in the audience today, 10 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: you're here in a very real way. Because this is 11 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: our weekly listener mail. Behind the scenes every week, sometimes 12 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 1: over the weekends, Matt, Noel and I take a survey 13 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: of all the amazing, sometimes frightening correspondence we have received 14 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: from you, either through our phone number one eight three 15 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: three std w y t K, through our email conspiracy 16 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:14,639 Speaker 1: at I Heart Radio, or through the various other ways 17 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 1: that you can reach out to us as a show 18 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: or as individuals. We mix this with great care. We 19 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: stir it in a cauldron of concepts. We add a 20 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: little bit of perspective. We take some tangents and throw 21 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: them in the mix for a little bit of chef 22 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: kiss of Mommy, and that's what we end up bringing 23 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: you every week, and that's we're bringing you today. Our 24 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: listener mail is going to uh, we're gonna have some 25 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: surprises for you. There's one in fact that uh there 26 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: maybe an impostor in the capital of the United States. Uh. 27 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: Matt was a little little irt behind the scenes when 28 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: when we asked him to tell us what this listener 29 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: mail would be about. I think, Matt, eventually you just 30 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:12,679 Speaker 1: went fine, hypnosis. But but and then we have we 31 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,399 Speaker 1: have another, um a thread from our Facebook page. Here's 32 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:20,639 Speaker 1: where it gets crazy. They don't want to spoil just yet. No, 33 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: I think I I saw the same email that caught 34 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: your eye. But you dug a little deeper on this one, right, yeah, 35 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: just a little bit. Um. It's it's really just kind 36 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: of a fun, silly story also about like gosh, in 37 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 1: the age, the very relatively recent age of it seemingly 38 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: not being that hard to like infiltrate the White House 39 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: or rather, you know, government buildings, let us say on 40 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: Capitol or maybe the White House is a little tricky here, 41 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: but uh, here's a story. Luckily it's not anybody with 42 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: a nefarious intent, but we heard from a listener who 43 00:02:55,160 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 1: I will call Steve Um, who wrote, thus, Hello, gentleman 44 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: and lady, I'm wondering if you've heard about the story 45 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: of someone online contacting various legitimate news agencies, including the 46 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: Plane Dealer, c Q, roll Call and the Washington Blade. UM. 47 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: So I said, Blade really weird, but I'm gonna go 48 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: with it. Uh. And you ask for you know, press 49 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:23,639 Speaker 1: credentials essentially to ask questions of President Biden's press secretary 50 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: named Jen Szaky. Guess in the p asylum. I have 51 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 1: not heard this name spoken yet. Um. The person in question, 52 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: I'm Steve writes, has the name Casey Lego Montague, and 53 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: she supposedly represented the new group White House News, even 54 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: though there is no such group. The questions, on the 55 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: other hand, we're legitimate, such as things like COVID nineteen, 56 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: travel bands, ambassadorships, any reactions to the Microsoft hack, and 57 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: President Biden's current relationship with President Barack Obama. UM, the 58 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: report is not going to detail on the answers. This 59 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: person may have been shifty in their way of asking questions, 60 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: but they do seem like questions people would like to 61 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: hear the answers too. I see this as nothing more 62 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: than getting a shout out at the end of the 63 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: podcast and the person who did this getting a fist 64 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: bump from from Steve UH to Casey Lego Montague. I 65 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 1: tipped my hat. Thank you, gentlemen and lady for making 66 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: a great podcast that I look forward to every weekday. 67 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: Steve from Ohio, Steve from Ohio. Um, Yeah, and this 68 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 1: is totally true. Uh. And apparently that Lego was was 69 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 1: not for nothing that middle name there um. This person, 70 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 1: Casey Montague, is an online like Lego gamer. And a 71 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: lot of this does stem back to UH COVID protocols because, 72 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 1: according to this political article four times UH in the 73 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: recent weeks, members of the White House Press Corps have 74 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: asked questions on behalf of colleagues who could not be 75 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: there or claiming their colleagues were unable to be there 76 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: um due to COVID restrictions and protocols. Um. And it's 77 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: a particular colleague and that colleague goes by the name 78 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: Casey Montague and does not exist is in fact you know, 79 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 1: well at least the very least is not a reporter. Um. 80 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 1: So yeah, this identity has been kind of popping up 81 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 1: here and there in the White House for a while now, um, 82 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: and that's all correct? What what what? Steve said the 83 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 1: outlet is White House News, which is not a real thing, 84 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 1: um and refers to it as w h N. And uh, yeah, 85 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: this was. This individual has two actual Twitter handles which 86 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,359 Speaker 1: are followed by a lot of top White House actual 87 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: staffers and journalists. Um. And also has filed Freedom of 88 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: Information Act requests to obtain Saki's personal financial disclosure forms 89 00:05:55,360 --> 00:06:00,160 Speaker 1: along with disclosure forms tied to UM. At least one 90 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 1: other official that Politico found out about, and that is 91 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 1: the President's National Security advisor, Jake Sullivan. UM. Yeah, Montague 92 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: is is so I guess just kind of a phantom 93 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: at this point. Right. That's pretty cool, just being able 94 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,239 Speaker 1: to sneak in there, get some questions off over time, 95 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 1: get out. That's I mean, it's pretty amazing, but also 96 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 1: terrifying that securities that lacks or duped to that easily. 97 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: One point of contention, though, I believe this person was 98 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: a roadblocks player. That's right, That's right. Uh, it says 99 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: said they're the political piece goes onto to report that 100 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: they believe that Montague. Um, their activities uh were nothing 101 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: short of a weird flex for their online gaming platform 102 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: of choice, which is Roadblocks. Um, and it's just that's right, Matt. 103 00:06:57,839 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: But I don't know if you know this clearly, you're 104 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: not a Roadblocks enthusiasts Apparently Roadblocks players jokingly refer to 105 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 1: themselves as legos. Well, yeah, because they know they're not, 106 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: and they it's a joke. Well, I'm just saying it's 107 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: a nod. You know, it's like pog champs and twitch 108 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: community or whatever. You know, it's like this jargon these 109 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: kids have. I'm confused that did this person actually show 110 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: up in person? Because the political article says four times 111 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: in recent weeks, members of the White House Press Corps 112 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: have relayed questions to Press Secretary Jem Psaki from someone 113 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: claiming to be a reporter who is not able to 114 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: be there in the room due to COVID protocols. I 115 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: it's I don't believe they have met these reporters in person. 116 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: That's because you'll see it's it's all phrased or couched 117 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: as in communication with colleagues or confidants. This is an 118 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: industry and because of the size of it, like imagine 119 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: you work for presidential administration and your jobs to keep 120 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: an eye on the news and analyze it, synthesize and evaluate, digested, etcetera. 121 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: Then you're just gonna start scooping up anything that feels 122 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: like it considers itself a legitimate news source, even if 123 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: you don't. I mean, make no mistake, there's someone in 124 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: the White House keeping an eye on info Wars. They 125 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: probably they're not keeping as close an eye on it 126 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: as they would say the editorial board of the New 127 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: York Times, but they're they're definitely trying to get as 128 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 1: much information about reporters and about reporting outlets as they can. This. Uh, 129 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 1: I think I can say this now. I mentioned it 130 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:42,439 Speaker 1: a little bit off air. Uh. The Statute of Limitations 131 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: has passed for whatever number of crimes I committed in 132 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:50,959 Speaker 1: doing this. But I impersonated a reporter and got to 133 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 1: interview former political candidate, former presidential candidate Howard Dean a 134 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 1: number of years ago, and their security was cartoonishly lax. 135 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: Maybe I just looked like I might be a legit 136 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: reporter from the local newspaper that I totally made up. 137 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: But literally what I did, guys, I had one of 138 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: those little notebooks I always carry, and I took the 139 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: I was wearing a baseball cap or I had one 140 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 1: in my car. You know, you always have like a 141 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:27,559 Speaker 1: couple of changes of clothes in your car and stuff. 142 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: So I had everybody everybody should Yeah, it's a modular Okay, 143 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: I don't want to get us in. But but so 144 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 1: I had this. I had this hat, and I don't 145 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: know where this baseball cap came from. I still have it. 146 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 1: It's a Steeler's cap. And so I turned it backwards 147 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,079 Speaker 1: and I was like, boom, this is my Clark Kent 148 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:54,679 Speaker 1: the Superman move. I'm a reporter now. And I asked 149 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: Howard Dean if I could ask him some questions. And 150 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:03,319 Speaker 1: I didn't immediately like Zach Galifianakis, Eric Andre this because 151 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: I didn't think I would get that far. So like 152 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: part way through this conversation was maybe twenty minutes, which 153 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: was a lot of time. The guy who's running for 154 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: president um, but I think eventually his handlers realized that 155 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: I had no idea what I was doing. I was 156 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: just making this up. Byway long story short, you know, 157 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 1: there were no consequences for me, and said, okay, you 158 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 1: just have to move on. I didn't have a press pass. 159 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: Everybody else had a press pass. No one checked me 160 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: for that. I walked in and out of this restricted 161 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: area by just looking very busy on my notepad. This 162 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: the social engineering is real. And this makes me wonder, Noel, 163 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:47,079 Speaker 1: did Montague expect to get this far? Because I certainly didn't. 164 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: I would think, No, this sounds like the kind of prank. 165 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 1: I wonder if Montague is a child. Quite possibly I 166 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 1: got it because kids, he's I mean, it's you know, 167 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: my kids, Like she's up on all stuff, all this 168 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: kind of questions. Uh. And honestly, I bet a kid 169 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 1: reporter sometimes probably ask better questions than some of these 170 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 1: adult reporters. But that's just me in my hot take. Uh, 171 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: that's not a dis on on journalists. I think journalists 172 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 1: are great. But I think, you know, obviously there's certain 173 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: agendas and all that stuff. Um, but I think it's 174 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: a fabulous story. And and uh, we don't know who 175 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 1: Montague other than that they're a fan of roadblocks. And 176 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 1: I will tell you roadblocks has played predominantly by tweens 177 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: and teens. You know, it's not really really don't know 178 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: a lot of like grown adults playing roadblocks. Well, there's 179 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: a maybe that's not true. Maybe I know. I'm just 180 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: was gonna say that's one of the dangers of having 181 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: a a massive online game where there are a lot 182 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: of tweens and teens also playing with people who may 183 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: be adults, and you never know. That's creepy. I don't 184 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: want to think about that anymore. Okay, okay, that is true. 185 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: Um not not not something to take lightly for sure. 186 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: But yeah there again, there's all these Twitter accounts as 187 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: part of the kind of breadcrumbs that this person has left. 188 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 1: One of them, it says Casey Lego Montague, um has 189 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: been doing a little back and forth with some other 190 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: Twitter users. But there's no picture, you know, to identify 191 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: what anything about this person. The only thing that there 192 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 1: right now is uh in a nod to a previous 193 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 1: Strange News episode we did. Um. The background is of 194 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: the late Prince Philip and the avatar used is Tricia 195 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: uh Pie test Pietest. It's like a big YouTube person, 196 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: so again roadblocks and follower of YouTube influencer types, not 197 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: even no, not even influence. Let's see what this's Tricia 198 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: Pipe this is all about. I'm willing to bet that 199 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: if I haven't heard of her, it's the kind of 200 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 1: person like that my kid would be into and all 201 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: these like twitch streamers and stuff. It's totally under my radar. Uh, 202 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: let's see. Oh okay, she looks like kind of like 203 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 1: a train wreck Real Housewives type person. So anyway, the 204 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: jury is still out, but um, I think we can 205 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: take a quick pause after that one. Guys, what do 206 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 1: you think? Yeah, Ben, was your running before or after 207 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: the incident? You know it was? It was before. That's 208 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: my only regret. Alright, just had to ask. Alright, well, 209 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:29,959 Speaker 1: we hatch up some more weird trolling the government schemes 210 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: of our own. We're gonna take a quick break and 211 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: then be right back with more listener mail. Okay, we're back, 212 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: and really quickly. I just want to say the YouTuber 213 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: that I was talking about before the break, Tricia Patis 214 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: uh now uses day them pronouns. Just wanted to be 215 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: respectful of that. This is literally a day old story, 216 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: so I didn't want to miss gender anybody. So sorry, Ben, Yeah, yeah, right, 217 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:00,839 Speaker 1: we have returned. Uh, We're going in to a story 218 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: I wanted to share with everyone, a discussion and we 219 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: talked about off air. Uh, this is a little bit different. 220 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 1: I want to try something new with you, fellow conspiracy realists. 221 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: I want to bring many of you along. In this segment, 222 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: we talked about our Facebook group. Here's where it gets crazy. 223 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: We've been doing an okay job keeping up with the 224 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: phone banks, but I wanted to give our Facebook page 225 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: a little bit of t l C because I read 226 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 1: something very interesting from Casper w And let me give 227 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: you Casper's post, and then we can start talking about 228 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: some of the troubling implications of what Casper's is asking here. 229 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: Casper says, Hi, first time poster, long time listener. I 230 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: have a five year old son and we're learning how 231 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: to spell words, and I suggested we play Hangman until 232 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: he asked what it was. That's what I realized. I 233 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: never knew how dark of a game it is until 234 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: I was explaining this thing to my kids. I said, 235 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: you have to guess the correct letters of a word 236 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: or a phrase before a man gets hanged. So we 237 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: literally played a game that depicted a man being lynched 238 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: in grade school, and no one batted an eye. I'm 239 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: paraphrasing a little bit here, so I guess, says Casper. 240 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: My question for our esteemed podcast hosting community is what 241 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: is the dark side of other games we all played 242 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: in our youth that wouldn't or shouldn't be allowed today. 243 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: Thank you, Casper. There are fantastic responses. We can share 244 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: some of these from your fellow conspiracy realists, but before 245 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: we do, no, Matt Doc have you all ever thought 246 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: of this? I was. I was surprised that I had 247 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: never thought of the game in that way. I haven't 248 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: really thought of that game much at all in a 249 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: long time, since I was a kid. Probably it is 250 00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: a it's a weird concept of explaining regular things that 251 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: are in our lives that we just haven't thought about 252 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: since we were kids. They just exist, but then explaining 253 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: that to a young person and the way, uh, the 254 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: way Casper did. I'm going to think about this while 255 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: we're continuing to talk if there's anything else that comes 256 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: to mind, But right now I can't think of anything. 257 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: My dogs are doing something. I think maybe he's a 258 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: very vicious game of any man right there trying now. 259 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: There was definitely some point when I was an adult 260 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: when I randomly thought about that, and I'm like, hah, 261 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: that's kind of up, but like I don't remember what 262 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: the context was. The same thing with other things that like, 263 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: when you're a kid, you're like, oh, this is cool, 264 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 1: like Peppu La Pew and his antics that like when 265 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: you're an adult, you're like, it's kind of weird. Not 266 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: a game, but just a thought. Yeah, that's that's exactly 267 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: where this conversation is going, Doc Holiday, mind reader. I 268 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 1: feel like this brings up to concepts, and gaming is 269 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: one of those concepts. But it's a smaller part of 270 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: the larger thing, which is just how sinister so many 271 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 1: seemingly innocent, you know, cartoons, games, songs, rituals of childhood 272 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: appear when you look back on them as an adult. 273 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 1: It was in conversations with our fred I believe it 274 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: was the bacologist who had supplied us those awesome cookies 275 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: last year. I have in my cabinet. By the way, 276 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: I had to eat one online, but I do have 277 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: the other one, as I keep saying, so thank you again, Ecologists. 278 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 1: But I believe it was you who it maybe and 279 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:55,400 Speaker 1: you maybe it's one else who noticed noted that there's 280 00:17:55,440 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 1: a a weird approach to games that we take in 281 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: the Western world. A game seems to necessitate a winner 282 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: and a loser in an often cutthroat competition. But when 283 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: you think about it, that's not really how games have 284 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 1: to be. And when we look at some of the 285 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: world's most popular games, or some of the games we 286 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: all remember as kids, we see some crazy stuff. I'd 287 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: like to shout out Sean m who responded to Casper's 288 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 1: post by saying, chess sacrifice whatever it takes to complete 289 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: a targeted killing, so long as your aristocracy survives. That's chess. 290 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: It's definitely a one way of looking at Yeah, just 291 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: save the king whatever you do, no matter what, no 292 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 1: matter what the collateral damage, right, And some of those 293 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:52,159 Speaker 1: pieces are literally meant to die, that's why they're on 294 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: the board. But the there's another one. Samantha H brought 295 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,959 Speaker 1: up something I was not aware of concerning the history 296 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,919 Speaker 1: of cake walks. We all know what cake walk is, 297 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: so according to Samantha, they haven't done two inch research 298 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 1: on this. She says, my elementary school used to do 299 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: cake walks to raise money for various things, and I 300 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 1: just learned recently that it actually comes from the era 301 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: of slavery, making enslaved people dance to earn a cake 302 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:26,439 Speaker 1: for the amusement of slave owners. This is so awful. 303 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:31,400 Speaker 1: So many lighthearted activities have such dark lots of racist fruits. 304 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 1: I had never heard this before either. Yeah, oh no, 305 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: holy cow. Yeah, this is one of those googles that 306 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: will take you down a nasty rabbit le literally this 307 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:45,159 Speaker 1: type of history of cakewalk. Uh, and it is. It's terrible. 308 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: It's like slaves dressed up uh in you know, finery basically, 309 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,679 Speaker 1: but clearly as some sort of like maccabre kind of 310 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:59,439 Speaker 1: like you know, show um parading around, you know, with 311 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: this like giant cake in the middle. Uh, there's so 312 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: many images if you tie it's all, Oh my god, 313 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:09,120 Speaker 1: it's very disturbing, but but very fascinating, and so many 314 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: historical images tied to this. I had no idea. Yeah, 315 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 1: this is. This reminds me of our previous work on 316 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:19,159 Speaker 1: on the darker side of things that are generally considered good, 317 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: like the Sierra Club. Also there's one I was aware of. 318 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:28,159 Speaker 1: Miranda gisel A talks about Ring around the Rosie, and 319 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 1: you guys have probably heard the issue with Ring around 320 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: the Rosie because it's about killing, dying. It's about getting 321 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: at some sort of Disney plague, right about sort of 322 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 1: form of plague. Yeah, the sixteen sixty Great Plague of London. 323 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:46,880 Speaker 1: That is what that children's nursery rhyme is about. Uh 324 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: And you can see you know so many nursery rhymes, 325 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:54,679 Speaker 1: especially those that are European and origin hearkened back to 326 00:20:56,000 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: really weird historical events like Bob Bob act sheet is 327 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 1: about the medieval wool tax. Okay, okay, well that duck 328 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: doug goose is duck duck goose. Okay, you guys, come on, 329 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 1: don't ruin this. Don't take this from me. I mean, 330 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: if there's any pattered here, I don't know. I'm afraid 331 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,919 Speaker 1: to search for it on Brave, even though Brave is 332 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 1: pretty decent, powered by Baby. You can do it. There 333 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,360 Speaker 1: we go. That's the tag like no, no, no, it's 334 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: fine duck dog goose and originated in Scandinavia, and it 335 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 1: was the game for taught to teach children how to 336 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: be patient and creative and clever. Oh they can have 337 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 1: that one for Tuck Tuck goose. So there's also this 338 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 1: idea that balloon animals. This comes from grant s. The 339 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 1: practice of making balloon animals may have some roots in 340 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: Aztec rituals. This one is unconfirmed to be clear, but granting, 341 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 1: some folks are trying to figure out whether it's true 342 00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: that ancient Aztecs would take intestines of animals or people 343 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: and make decorative shapes out of them. But far be 344 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 1: it for us to judge the Aztecs without having solid 345 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 1: proof of this. We do know, or at least I 346 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: like to think that most most Americans today are very 347 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 1: well aware just how many childhood songs or chants were 348 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 1: originally quite racist in origin, and then had you know, 349 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:30,919 Speaker 1: had certain racial epithets changed to animals like like like 350 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 1: uh like any MENI mighty maw yes exactly like that one. Uh. 351 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: You know, these these phrases were much more common not 352 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 1: too long ago, which is why the famous mystery novel 353 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: by Agatha Christie is known as Ten Little Indians today 354 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:54,400 Speaker 1: that is not the original tighter And it's strange, right, 355 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: super strange. And I mean there's all there's phrases that thankfully, 356 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: I mean, with all our best intentions and just in general, 357 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: and I think we're all dudes that never ever intend 358 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 1: to say anything or accidentally even you know, step in 359 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: any territory that people would find offensive or in any 360 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: way you know, dismissive and any whether racially or gender 361 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: or whatever whatever. Um, but there are little things that 362 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: we get stuck in our vernacular that we have only 363 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 1: just recently realized are somewhat problematic, and you have to 364 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: like kind of train yourself out to say those things anymore. 365 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: I do still think context is king and it's all 366 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: in the usage of things. But I mean certain things, 367 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 1: words and phrases, and you know, games even I think 368 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 1: probably should be canceled. But um, yeah, it is a 369 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: situation where you just got to educate yourself. I can't. 370 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 1: I can't stop doing it. Then I'm sorry, how dare you? 371 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 1: You know? Uh? For everybody listening. There was a time 372 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: a while ago when when Matt and I were friends, 373 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: like we would hang out glory days, we would we 374 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 1: would talk about non work stuff. But that you, I 375 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 1: get it. I pick it up what you're putting down. 376 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: It's over. Uh all right, So we have we have 377 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: more examples out there. I do recommend checking out Here's 378 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,159 Speaker 1: where it gets crazy, uh and seeing this post because 379 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: you can maybe share some of your own experiences, or 380 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 1: you can send your stories directly to us. We encourage 381 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 1: you to do so. I personally, I love hearing about 382 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,640 Speaker 1: this because it's a form of hidden history, and history 383 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: is really as as I've said before, history is not static. 384 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: It is an ongoing conversation. History is a palam test. 385 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: That's the best visual metaphor. These things that happened maybe 386 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: written over, but they never really disappear. And you can 387 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: learn so much about the present day by learning the 388 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 1: origins of the things that we take for granted. With 389 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 1: that being said, I know that's a little heavy and 390 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: pretentious and philosophical whatever, But that being said, I thought 391 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,640 Speaker 1: it would be appropriate to end on one of my 392 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 1: favorite lines from this thread. I will give this completely 393 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 1: arbitrary award for favorite comment to you, eric A, who, 394 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:20,639 Speaker 1: when asked about sinister games, responded by saying Twister is 395 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 1: just sex in a box. That's my time, Ladies and gentlemen. 396 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,880 Speaker 1: We're gonna pause for a word from our sponsor. Tip 397 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,919 Speaker 1: your server. We'll be back with one more piece of 398 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: listener mail. Left hand blue. Oh yeah, okay, we're back, everybody, 399 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 1: um twister callback. So don't be disturbed, everyone sex left 400 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: hand blue, quiet story. Let's get you know what speak 401 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: king of Uh. Let's go to This is a mini uh. 402 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: This is a mini voicemail, and we're not going to 403 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: even really address this one, but we're going to play 404 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: it right now. You're ready for it. Hi, this is 405 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: Ronel and I'm calling from my landline from my cabin 406 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 1: in the middle of the forest, and I just wanted 407 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: to let you know that you both have the sexiest 408 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 1: voices and I just love listening to you talk about 409 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: conspiracy theories with your sexy voices, especially when the deeper 410 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 1: voice guy goes in his deep voice love it. Oh no, 411 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 1: come on, alright, one is perfect, alright, alright, you know right, No, 412 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: it's me. Oh is that you? Well, that's not true, 413 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 1: we both say. I can't tell. I definitely do say 414 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 1: it though, and then too would mean the both of us. 415 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 1: Who is there's three of us? Which what is she 416 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: talking about? I couldn't help but think about it when 417 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 1: when Ben left hand blue, I think, I, well, first off, 418 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: thanks so much, thanks so much for checking out the 419 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,399 Speaker 1: show and giving us a call. Um. I am tempted 420 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: to think that last person is supposed to be me 421 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: because some of our other fellow listeners turned my habit 422 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,880 Speaker 1: of satan into a drinking game. So I hope that 423 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: everyone is I do feeling better. I hope you only 424 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: got alcohol place. You don't. You don't get to own ben. 425 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 1: You don't get to own it. I don't. I don't 426 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: own it. I'm just the person when I from the 427 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:46,679 Speaker 1: YouTube days, uh and in our earlier you were our 428 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,199 Speaker 1: producer on those same forever. It's just my way of 429 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 1: showing our colleagues and people in conversation that I am 430 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,679 Speaker 1: listening to them as active listening. I think that's a 431 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 1: good thing to do. I agree that, I agree. I'm 432 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: just I'm teasing, but I'm just saying it's funny because 433 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: I do find myself also saying a lot a little voice. Alright, alright, alright, guys, 434 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 1: All right, Juri is out. So that was playing aside. 435 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 1: Let's go to our actual voicemail. What that wasn't it? No? 436 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 1: It is, By the way, I'm pretty sure it's a 437 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: percent just because of that drinking game. But you know what, 438 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,360 Speaker 1: we all have love, We all actually have really weirdly 439 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: distinctive voices. Have you guys noticed that she didn't say 440 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: anything about the guy that cackles all the time and 441 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: yells at his dogs. So I'm feeling I'm feeling good. 442 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: Sounds like you all need to have it off. Please, 443 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 1: don't have a contest. She was talking about Paul Mission 444 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: Control decades UM. But silence is deafening. But hey, we've 445 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 1: got a different voicemail we're going to play now. Uh 446 00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 1: this this voicemail, I'm gonna lead it with us. Uh. 447 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 1: This person says, as a quote, it worked. I don't 448 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: know how it worked, but it worked. Okay, let's let's listen. Hi. 449 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: My name is Nora. I was just listening to your 450 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: UM episode on hypnosis on the Texas Range syntizing people. 451 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 1: I'm laughing because I'm some Texas and anyway, I just 452 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: think it's weird. I just wanted to, uh, maybe share 453 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: my story. When I was a kid, I was hypnotized 454 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 1: to alleviate a medical condition that didn't respond to any 455 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 1: traditional treatments. And UM, it's a long story and I 456 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 1: think it's really interesting. I've never known anybody else. I 457 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: know that it's done, but I don't know anybody else 458 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: or haven't met anybody else's actually been through that. And 459 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 1: you guys can give me a call if you want 460 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: to hear my story to talk about that side of 461 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 1: hypnosis and how the mind works. And it's really really cool. 462 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: So anyway, I love this shows your past. Yeah, the 463 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 1: podcast awesome. Keep that part in. Uh, that's that's great. Uh, Matt. 464 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: When when we were getting geared up to record the 465 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: show today, you actually had you actually had us speak 466 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,239 Speaker 1: to ord directly. Yes. I was on the phone with 467 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: Nora just I was trying to talk to her right 468 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: before we started recording, because she mentions, you know, it's 469 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: a long story, right, and my brain was go to 470 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 1: I need to learn more about this. So we ended 471 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: up talking for quite a while. Sorry you missed it, nol. 472 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 1: We were um. I was talking to her separately, and 473 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 1: then just happened to jump on the zoom while I 474 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: was finishing that conversation. But let me let's talk a 475 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 1: little bit more about this before we jump in. Have 476 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 1: you guys ever heard of hypnotherapy being used to cure 477 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 1: a physical condition, like something dealing something that a dermatologist 478 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 1: would Okay, yeah, I have. I think the most common 479 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 1: form of hypnotherapy for a physical condition would be something 480 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 1: that is both physical and psychological, such as addiction, right 481 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 1: to tobacco, addiction to alcohol or other drugs of that ILK. 482 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: But this sounds like you're talking about a skin condition, 483 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 1: possibly exima something like that. Maybe, Yeah, a skin condition. 484 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 1: I've I've my brain goes to exactly where yours just went, 485 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 1: thinking about addiction hypnotherapy for that kind of thing, convincing, 486 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 1: using that technique to convince someone that they don't need 487 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 1: a substance, or you know, to think about something else 488 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: when that addictive thing begins to occur. In Nora's case, Oh, 489 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 1: I just want to point out, I'm also drinking a 490 00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 1: craft of coffee as well. Monster paradise, ultra paradise, delicious um, 491 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 1: monster energy, all the stuff you want and don't want 492 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,719 Speaker 1: at the same time. And it's great and terrible but wonderful. Okay. 493 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 1: So Nora was five or six years old and she 494 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 1: was dealing with warts on her hands. She said there 495 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 1: there was a significant work growth on her hands, and 496 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 1: she had been to several doctors in a small town, 497 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 1: and the doctors, you know, they would do the painful 498 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 1: treatments that many of us probably you have experienced before 499 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 1: with some kind of growth. I used to get him 500 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 1: under my arm pits and back of my neck. They 501 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 1: would literally use a scalpel or scissors to cut off 502 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: a wark and it would bleed like crazy, it was 503 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 1: really gross. Or they would freeze. They would freeze them 504 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 1: a lot of times. I had a couple of my 505 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 1: hands that were frozen off when I was younger. She 506 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 1: said that she went to several doctors physicians that did 507 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 1: these treatments on her, and the warts would grow back 508 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 1: and more more warts would grow and it was just 509 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: a terrible situation. They were on I think their third 510 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 1: or fourth doctor visit. Uh like this is again Nora 511 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: as a five or six year old with her mom 512 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 1: and they were just asking another physician, what can you 513 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: do for this besides these things that don't work? And 514 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 1: it was a father and son general practitioner office, at 515 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 1: least according to Nora's recollection and conversations with her mother, 516 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 1: the son was talking to them when the father was 517 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 1: like listening, I guess around the corner, and he kind 518 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 1: of peeked his head in and was like, hey, I 519 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 1: got a little something different that we could try. Mom, 520 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 1: you down, and uh, Norah's mom said, okay, let's try it. 521 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: They went into his office and and he sat Nora down, 522 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 1: this very young child. The mom was there with her 523 00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 1: in the room, and the doctor said quietly and om ly, 524 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 1: I want you to interlace your fingers, so put your 525 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 1: fingers together. Yeah, we're doing this. And then he said, 526 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,239 Speaker 1: I want you to stretch your arms out as high 527 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 1: as they can go. So she stretched her arms as 528 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,959 Speaker 1: high as she could stretch them, and the ballerina style, 529 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 1: ballerina style, and then he asked her to separate her fingers, 530 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 1: and she could not, and she remembers distinctly not being 531 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 1: able to separate her fingers, and then slowly and methodically 532 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,280 Speaker 1: transitioned to Okay, now I want you to separate your fingers, 533 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 1: and she separated her fingers, and I guess he put 534 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 1: her into a hypnotic state pretty quickly, at least to 535 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:45,399 Speaker 1: her recollection. And after that, Nora went to multiple other 536 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:49,480 Speaker 1: sessions with this doctor and her mother, and over the 537 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 1: course of not a long time, her words completely went away, 538 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:59,880 Speaker 1: according to both her and her mother, and my, you know, 539 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: my thoughts are how right? How is this possible? This 540 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 1: can't be a thing. There's no way in the world 541 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,439 Speaker 1: that this could possibly be a thing. Hypnosis being used 542 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:16,400 Speaker 1: to suggest to a person or to a person's dermis 543 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:20,920 Speaker 1: or epidermist, to change the way it's functioning. I I 544 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 1: I was hugely hugely skeptical, and I still am to 545 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 1: a large extent. But Nora is absolutely convinced that this 546 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 1: is what cured her warts. See, okay, uh, this the 547 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 1: thing is, we know that there is uh. We we 548 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 1: know that there are studies on hypnotherapy as a treatment 549 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 1: for warts, which I just learned, by the way, are 550 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 1: called Veruca vulgaris, which a background singer in guar Well. 551 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,279 Speaker 1: It's also what the character and Willy Wonka and the 552 00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:00,120 Speaker 1: chocolate factory is named after. Veruca salt was like guy, 553 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:01,400 Speaker 1: I guess, I don't know, Maybe it was just a 554 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 1: combination of two words, but a verruca is like a 555 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:09,280 Speaker 1: pustule or boil ward we it does. It does seem 556 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:14,719 Speaker 1: strange because the science, the science, it seems to be 557 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:19,839 Speaker 1: confirmed in some places, but then people have problems with 558 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,240 Speaker 1: some of the studies earlier. I think the biggest stateway 559 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 1: for anybody is not a hypnotherapist or a doctor, is 560 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:32,440 Speaker 1: that modern science is still struggling to understand the relationship 561 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,799 Speaker 1: between the mind and the body. And we know, we 562 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 1: know that these two categories, these two things can influence 563 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 1: each other in a reciprocal way, like your your gut, 564 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,919 Speaker 1: bio can have an effect on your mind, on your 565 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 1: mental function. That sounds really weird, but it is also 566 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,480 Speaker 1: really true. So to me, it's not out of the 567 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 1: realm of possibility that self hypnosis or professional hypnotherapy could 568 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:12,720 Speaker 1: mitigate some physical conditions, especially if they're caused by um 569 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,920 Speaker 1: something someone is mentally experiencing, like anxiety or stress. You know, 570 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 1: when people like their hives might flare up right because 571 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:24,239 Speaker 1: they're very stressed. You remove the stress, the hives dissipline. 572 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:26,880 Speaker 1: I could totally see that, I I guess. I just 573 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,800 Speaker 1: didn't see the correlation between I guess with the warts 574 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,480 Speaker 1: and something mentally that was going on, some something psychologically 575 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,359 Speaker 1: going on, because I I would be skeptical that your 576 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:41,880 Speaker 1: mind could influence your gut bacteria. Yeah. I don't know 577 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 1: about specifically, but some things like shingles, for example, are 578 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:50,279 Speaker 1: caused by stress often and that is literally I mean, 579 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:51,840 Speaker 1: it's not the same as a ward, but it's a 580 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:56,360 Speaker 1: it's a breakout of unusual you know, kind of bumps 581 00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,839 Speaker 1: and can They can manifest differently, but every time I've 582 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,480 Speaker 1: on some of it's gotten shingles is usually surrounding some 583 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,359 Speaker 1: sort of very stressful time in their life. It's pretty 584 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 1: pretty common explanation. Yeah, so, um, I want to jump 585 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 1: to those some of the things you're mentioning, there have 586 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 1: been in just one moment. I just quickly wanted to 587 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:17,879 Speaker 1: mention a couple of things I brought up with Nora 588 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,440 Speaker 1: on the phone that we discussed. The first one was 589 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,000 Speaker 1: that I thought maybe she was being given some kind 590 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:27,799 Speaker 1: of topical ointment or cream alongside the hypnotherapy, or some 591 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 1: kind of pill or medication alongside the other stuff. But 592 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:36,280 Speaker 1: she swears that she wasn't. Uh, and her she believes 593 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,120 Speaker 1: her mom. She's spoken with her mom about this a ton. 594 00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:40,680 Speaker 1: It was like a story that used to tell all 595 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 1: the time about how the wards got cured. Um. The 596 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,239 Speaker 1: mom doesn't think there was any other treatment or can't 597 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:54,080 Speaker 1: recall because this was forty something years ago when this occurred. Um. 598 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,400 Speaker 1: The other thing was that I thought perhaps the doctor 599 00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,879 Speaker 1: had suggested some kind of diet change or some kind 600 00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:03,120 Speaker 1: of you know, product change, you know, like a type 601 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,480 Speaker 1: of soap or some topical thing that's going on her 602 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:10,440 Speaker 1: hands all the time, changing pH pH levels are changing somehow, 603 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,400 Speaker 1: the chemistry of her skin and the oil and the 604 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,360 Speaker 1: natural oils. That is also something they can't recall or 605 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,520 Speaker 1: they don't believe occurred, at least to the family. To 606 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,120 Speaker 1: Nora and her mother, they believe that hip. Whatever the 607 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:26,160 Speaker 1: hypnosis sessions did, that's what caused it. And I want 608 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:27,520 Speaker 1: to I want to jump to the thing you were 609 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 1: talking about, Ben, because you can go to places like 610 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,040 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna give you U R L jeff j E. 611 00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:38,359 Speaker 1: F F. Lazarus l A z A R U S 612 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:42,600 Speaker 1: m D dot com and you can check out, you know, 613 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:48,320 Speaker 1: patient testimonials from Jeffrey Lazarus, m D who offers medical 614 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:53,759 Speaker 1: hypnosis for things like warts. He says he can use 615 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:59,320 Speaker 1: medical hypnosis to permanently remove warts. Okay, I was thinking, 616 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:04,480 Speaker 1: I also who found some stuff from pub med Yes, 617 00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:09,839 Speaker 1: which you know is pretty legit or tends to be so, uh, 618 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:14,360 Speaker 1: it looked like they it looks like a one d 619 00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:20,040 Speaker 1: n U n is reporting forty one consecutive cases of 620 00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:25,520 Speaker 1: hypnotherapy used as a treatment for warts with thirty three cures. Yeah, 621 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:31,640 Speaker 1: and that's from and then even nine in and there's 622 00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:35,279 Speaker 1: a case report of a child with warts and how 623 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,680 Speaker 1: there are eighty two common warts on this one seven 624 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:42,799 Speaker 1: year old female removed through hypnotic suggestion and it says. 625 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,640 Speaker 1: This is what it says in the abstract. It states 626 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 1: that hypnotic suggestions were given for the facial warts to 627 00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,640 Speaker 1: disappear before the words from the rest of the body. 628 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,720 Speaker 1: After two weeks, eight of sixteen facial warts were gone 629 00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,880 Speaker 1: with no other changes. Is the application that they shriveled 630 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,719 Speaker 1: up or that they like dropped off or what I 631 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:09,120 Speaker 1: guess disappeared? Um were suggested by this skin exactly? Perhaps? Okay? Interesting? 632 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:14,080 Speaker 1: After three additional bi weekly sessions, all eighty two warts 633 00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:18,960 Speaker 1: were gone. That's that's good news. Yeah, but that's one 634 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:23,279 Speaker 1: report right right. The other one talks about forty one 635 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:28,920 Speaker 1: consecutive cases, So like, that's pretty significant. Uh. It also 636 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,960 Speaker 1: taught me a term I had never heard before. I'm 637 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,879 Speaker 1: I'm getting increasingly on board with this. I'm not going 638 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,719 Speaker 1: to say I'm a certain of the efficacy in all 639 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,840 Speaker 1: cases yet, but just in this short span of time, 640 00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:47,239 Speaker 1: I'm getting more and more pro hypnotherapy for warts or 641 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:52,480 Speaker 1: should I say pro psycho dermatology. I'm so predictable. All 642 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,640 Speaker 1: I need is a cool sounding words, and I'm like, oh, yeah, 643 00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:59,120 Speaker 1: that's legit dermatology. I love that. I think that's great. 644 00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:00,799 Speaker 1: I want to ask you as what you think, like 645 00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:07,200 Speaker 1: is hypnosis and hypnotherapy Is it in the same realm 646 00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,839 Speaker 1: as say something like raiki, which is like, you know, 647 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,800 Speaker 1: meant to impart like a force upon the Bikey. I 648 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,600 Speaker 1: understand that the hypnosis are meant to hijack your brain 649 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,279 Speaker 1: and cause your brain to do the thing. But I 650 00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,720 Speaker 1: know there's still a lot of like questions around around 651 00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,880 Speaker 1: whether it works or not. And I think maybe the 652 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,239 Speaker 1: jury is still out as is whether like science is 653 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,200 Speaker 1: completely embraced hypnosis, right. I just wondered what you guys 654 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,640 Speaker 1: thought if there were any parallels there in your mind. Yeah, 655 00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:38,680 Speaker 1: that's a good question. So hypnosis has efficacy and it 656 00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:44,719 Speaker 1: has credibility depending upon the application it's involved with. So 657 00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,279 Speaker 1: I'd be very I'd be very skeptical of any kind 658 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,640 Speaker 1: of hypnotic regression, even with the best of intentions on 659 00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:55,000 Speaker 1: the part of the hypnotizer. But with this it's interesting. 660 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:59,759 Speaker 1: Mayo Clinic proceedings for you know, when they studied what's 661 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:04,520 Speaker 1: called hypno dermatology related to psycho dermatology, they said the 662 00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,960 Speaker 1: quote a review of the use of hypnosis and dermatology 663 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,640 Speaker 1: supports its value for many skin conditions not believed to 664 00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:17,520 Speaker 1: be under conscious control, so ethics aside, then the best 665 00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,880 Speaker 1: way to test this would be to see if you 666 00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:25,440 Speaker 1: could hypnotize someone who doesn't have words into having words 667 00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:31,200 Speaker 1: a dastardly At that point, it's almost more like witchcraft 668 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:35,360 Speaker 1: or something. You know. I don't know well, but maybe 669 00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,759 Speaker 1: it explains witchcraft, right, That's what I'm saying. It's all 670 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,880 Speaker 1: the power of belief, That's my point. You know. I 671 00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:44,800 Speaker 1: think it with enough belief within oneself that a given 672 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,600 Speaker 1: spell or incantation is possible and is in fact acting 673 00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,960 Speaker 1: upon you, your brain could potentially have some sort of 674 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:56,520 Speaker 1: psycho somatic reaction. M agreed, Yeah, I mean this. I 675 00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,480 Speaker 1: don't know if you thought we were going to go 676 00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:03,040 Speaker 1: to this action with with you, Nora. But there is 677 00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:07,839 Speaker 1: an Australian practice, or there was an Australian practice of 678 00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,840 Speaker 1: pointing the bone at people, and you guys may have 679 00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:17,080 Speaker 1: heard about this. If someone committed a great, a great 680 00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:21,000 Speaker 1: sin or broke a taboo, then they could be in 681 00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:26,120 Speaker 1: traditional Australian communities subjected to a type of execution called 682 00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:31,160 Speaker 1: kurd dicha k you r d a I t c 683 00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,440 Speaker 1: h A. That sounds intense just based on the consonant 684 00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:38,520 Speaker 1: sounds alone, right, right. The government was some hard, hard 685 00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:43,040 Speaker 1: constance there. The idea is that through the power of 686 00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:50,279 Speaker 1: the mind, a holy man, holy person can charge this 687 00:44:51,520 --> 00:45:00,319 Speaker 1: ritualistic bone, and through pointing this at the victim, they 688 00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:05,480 Speaker 1: they will create a curse. And when someone is cursed 689 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,200 Speaker 1: by having this bone pointed at them, by this execution method, 690 00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:13,359 Speaker 1: which is what it's considered, they become listless, apathetic, they 691 00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,879 Speaker 1: don't eat, they don't sleep. Their death often occurs within 692 00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,759 Speaker 1: mere days of being cursed, which is interesting because it 693 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:25,640 Speaker 1: means dehydration and starvation alone cannot explain it. So it 694 00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:29,319 Speaker 1: is possible. Then we'll get back We're getting back to words, 695 00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:33,879 Speaker 1: I promise. But it is absolutely possible then for for 696 00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:39,759 Speaker 1: someone's mind to be powerful enough to cease their bodily 697 00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:45,640 Speaker 1: functions because they believed that they were legitimately cursed. So 698 00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,759 Speaker 1: you could if you can control your own ability to 699 00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:53,200 Speaker 1: die in that regard, then works can't be that hard, right. 700 00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:58,080 Speaker 1: It's like an auto shutdown buttons. I can see it. 701 00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,160 Speaker 1: And we've talked about the power of a lot on 702 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:05,680 Speaker 1: this show. So if if, if you can convince, if 703 00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,640 Speaker 1: a hypnotherapist could convince you that you don't have words, 704 00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:13,120 Speaker 1: would they go away? M okay? I also convince you 705 00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,040 Speaker 1: that you don't have bad breath, and you could have 706 00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,640 Speaker 1: fresh minty breath without having to actually brush your teeth. 707 00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:21,759 Speaker 1: I think they'd have to hypnotize the bacteria. Yeah, which 708 00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,600 Speaker 1: is interesting. Well, hey, guys, this turned out to be 709 00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:29,520 Speaker 1: a great conversation, just as I think we're all hoping 710 00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,759 Speaker 1: it would. I was certainly hoping it would after hearing 711 00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,759 Speaker 1: that initial message. I just want to say thanks to 712 00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,200 Speaker 1: Nora for calling us, leaving that message, telling that story, 713 00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,040 Speaker 1: and talking with us. And thank you to everybody else 714 00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:45,040 Speaker 1: who we talked about today. Yes, thanks to Steve for 715 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:50,839 Speaker 1: hipping us to this potential small child, medium child that's 716 00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,560 Speaker 1: trolling the White House Press Corps but also asking some 717 00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,920 Speaker 1: hard hitting questions that we need to hear the answers 718 00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:57,600 Speaker 1: to really quickly. Guys, I just want to say, if 719 00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:59,680 Speaker 1: Ben gets a drinking game for every time he says mmm, 720 00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,600 Speaker 1: can mac at ones? Every time he says wow, that's 721 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,000 Speaker 1: up to that's up for the other part of the show, 722 00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:12,560 Speaker 1: the listeners, let us know. Yes, there's too many, too 723 00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,600 Speaker 1: many bones on the dance floor right now, guys, we 724 00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,640 Speaker 1: gotta we gotta point ourselves towards the end of the show. 725 00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:21,120 Speaker 1: Thank you very much to Casper, Thank you to everyone 726 00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,600 Speaker 1: on Here's where It Gets Crazy, best part of the show, 727 00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:28,560 Speaker 1: our fellow conspiracy realists. I so very much want to 728 00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,120 Speaker 1: hear about the stuff you saw in your childhood that 729 00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:34,920 Speaker 1: you later realized with sinister. Doc had an excellent example 730 00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,799 Speaker 1: with Pepe Lapu, but there are other examples out there. 731 00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,759 Speaker 1: There's a really weird scene in a Mark Twain claymation 732 00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,680 Speaker 1: thing where they talked to satan Uh. There are a 733 00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:48,560 Speaker 1: lot of nineteen thirties cartoons that look positively occult arguably 734 00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,600 Speaker 1: are Yeah, Pepper Lapu is basically like a rape terminator. 735 00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:55,239 Speaker 1: Really strange and and by the way, I say psychedelic 736 00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,399 Speaker 1: a lot, so that can be my drinking game. And 737 00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:01,359 Speaker 1: let us know either on that thread, we're just calling us, 738 00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:05,200 Speaker 1: contacting us directly, what sinister things you saw in childhood, 739 00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:09,200 Speaker 1: what your take on hypnosis is, and let us know 740 00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,239 Speaker 1: the times that you have impersonated reporters. I feel like 741 00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,720 Speaker 1: we we've all been there. We try to be easy 742 00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:19,160 Speaker 1: to find online. We've got Facebook, Twitter, all the good ones, 743 00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,799 Speaker 1: all the hits, all the all the slow jazz, but 744 00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,120 Speaker 1: if you don't like social media, you can also call 745 00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,000 Speaker 1: us directly. That's right. 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And please do 756 00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:51,400 Speaker 1: let us know if you definitely don't want us to 757 00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,560 Speaker 1: use it, because we like to use them because y'all 758 00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:58,720 Speaker 1: are great. Yes, and remember YouTube dot com slash conspiracy stuff. 759 00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,520 Speaker 1: That is where you can find all of our videos 760 00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:03,560 Speaker 1: that have ever occurred on stuff they don't want you 761 00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:07,080 Speaker 1: to know, including these conversations. Check it out now if 762 00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,759 Speaker 1: you'd like. We'd love to see you over there, and 763 00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:13,279 Speaker 1: please please feel free to leave us a review on 764 00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:18,200 Speaker 1: your podcatcher of choice, particularly on Apple podcasts. We'd love 765 00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:21,080 Speaker 1: to see more reviews on there if possible if you 766 00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:26,560 Speaker 1: got the time, I'll be like, Wow, thanks, I'll find 767 00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:30,280 Speaker 1: it incredibly psychedelic. Um. And I'll make a deal with you, folks. 768 00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,560 Speaker 1: If the spirit so moves you and you write a review, 769 00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:37,760 Speaker 1: if you put in something that makes me chuckle uh 770 00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,400 Speaker 1: or is an inside joke, then you might just end 771 00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:48,640 Speaker 1: up on the air. So so we're incentivizing, now, that's right, yes, indeed, 772 00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,160 Speaker 1: and I think there's nothing wrong with a good incentive. 773 00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,120 Speaker 1: Al Right, guys, let's do this. 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