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Speaker 1: into our interview with Belly. Why not? Let's go all right, Yo,
Speaker 1: it's the Bulet Cavs show man. We got a special
Speaker 1: guest in here, my brother Belly. Yes, sir, welcome, sir,
Speaker 1: of course. Man, I've been extremely privileged to actually listen
Speaker 1: to your new album that I don't know when it's
Speaker 1: coming out. I don't know when it's coming out, but
Speaker 1: you got you've got. You've got a few records out
Speaker 1: from the album. You just dropped the money bay Yo
Speaker 1: project or song rather and video right videos out yep.
Speaker 1: But this album is it's got some uh. I don't
Speaker 1: want to give away too many of your secrets, but
Speaker 1: it is a man Hi. I mean, You've had, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, like projects that I consider personal classics like
Speaker 1: for me, but this project feels like some of these
Speaker 1: names you got on the same song songs have never
Speaker 1: been on songs together, and they're like the biggest of
Speaker 1: the big Like this album feels like I know it's
Speaker 1: not your debut album. I know it's not in any
Speaker 1: means your debut, but it feels like like like your
Speaker 1: biggest moment is like still still to come. Like yeah,
Speaker 1: absolutely man. And I feel like the more the more
Speaker 1: I created with this album, Like the further along I
Speaker 1: got into the album, I was like, all right, there's something,
Speaker 1: there's something happening here, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: just the songs we were able to create together and stuff.
Speaker 1: It was just like a different experience. Even creating it
Speaker 1: was different this time. I really took my time you
Speaker 1: know normally. I'm just like, you know, well it's been
Speaker 1: a few years, man, because Immigrant came out in twenty eighteen,
Speaker 1: and that was your last project. Yeah, that was the
Speaker 1: last one. That's insane. Yeah, what what made you take
Speaker 1: so much time off? I want to say off, but
Speaker 1: take so much time to work on a body of work.
Speaker 1: I guess honestly, it wasn't all working on this project.
Speaker 1: First was working on me. Yeah. I was gonna say
Speaker 1: I wanted to get into that because I know you
Speaker 1: went through some depression and ship the last few years,
Speaker 1: and it was like it was it was like deeper
Speaker 1: than that, you know what I mean, Like you know
Speaker 1: they put titles on things we go through, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. But yeah, I was I was just
Speaker 1: I was just in a position where I had been
Speaker 1: in the game for so long. I kind of experienced
Speaker 1: you know, the ups and the downs of the game,
Speaker 1: and you know what I mean, everything the kind of
Speaker 1: you know feel and I don't know, man, just got
Speaker 1: to a point where I was like, it's all I've
Speaker 1: ever done, Like I got I want to I want
Speaker 1: to just sit down and just see what what my
Speaker 1: you know, my brain comes up with, you know, what
Speaker 1: I mean, And really it was it was like an
Speaker 1: investment in myself because I didn't really work or at
Speaker 1: least like you know, working away like where like money
Speaker 1: was coming in all the time, like it was right,
Speaker 1: I had to like block that, uh you know that
Speaker 1: financial fucking yeah, because you're always motivated by the bags,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's like, yo, when you
Speaker 1: have so much money coming in and and that you
Speaker 1: kind of have that mental expectation in your head, like
Speaker 1: I'm sure that's hard a hard thing to turn off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it was like it was at a point where
Speaker 1: it was like, cool, I could I could die right
Speaker 1: now with however much money in the bank, and then
Speaker 1: you have your residual money coming in anyway from publishing
Speaker 1: and music and all that. But yeah, but I mean,
Speaker 1: you know when when you when when you sit down,
Speaker 1: like like the career that I was blessed enough to build, right,
Speaker 1: it sustained a lifestyle that I was blessed enough to live.
Speaker 1: And then when you cut that, you really realize how crazy, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, spending habits just just just just the way
Speaker 1: I was living was just crazy, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So it was it was a good time for me
Speaker 1: to just sit down and just like reassess everything and
Speaker 1: uh and like really see, I was like, you know
Speaker 1: how they say like let you know, let the bird
Speaker 1: go and it comes back. DMX said that, and that's
Speaker 1: all I remember. DMX said that if you love something,
Speaker 1: let it go. Yeah. In facts, that's really facts, because
Speaker 1: like I was like, yo, you know what if this
Speaker 1: is if this is really for me the way I
Speaker 1: know it's for me deep down the side, but that
Speaker 1: don't matter right now. Like if it's really for me,
Speaker 1: then something will draw me back to this and and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna come back and I'm gonna feel better about
Speaker 1: it than the first time I ever did it, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So as far as music, music, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so so that's that's how music started to feel like
Speaker 1: like you started to feel like work before the break,
Speaker 1: before the hiatus, you know, yeah, job absolutely. And it
Speaker 1: wasn't like I was, you know, being told like do
Speaker 1: this or do it was just going in the studio
Speaker 1: was just like all right, like you know like what
Speaker 1: now you know what I mean? And you know it
Speaker 1: just it just it was It was the best thing,
Speaker 1: I think, the smartest thing I ever did in my
Speaker 1: life was to just sit down for a second and
Speaker 1: just take a breath and just you know, figure things out.
Speaker 1: What was that motivation initially where you you came to
Speaker 1: a point where you were like I gotta do this,
Speaker 1: like I gotta it was? It was it were you
Speaker 1: just overwhelmed? Like was there a breaking point where you
Speaker 1: were like if I keep going down this path, I
Speaker 1: might go crazy or something. What was it? I think
Speaker 1: I was just like so focused on all the negative
Speaker 1: things that were going on in my life, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And it was a lot of things.
Speaker 1: It was things on a family level, right, things on
Speaker 1: you know, obviously financial levels and all everything. You know,
Speaker 1: there was a lot of things going on with my
Speaker 1: career everything. So I think I think like when I
Speaker 1: initially when I wanted to step back and you know,
Speaker 1: really take the break, it wasn't like a decision I made.
Speaker 1: It was I just can't go there right now, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. They like, oh, there's this this
Speaker 1: thing going on or this event or this session or whatever.
Speaker 1: I just can't. I can't go there right now. I
Speaker 1: can't Like I wouldn't even I would be doing you
Speaker 1: with the service if I showed up in this state,
Speaker 1: like I'm not I'm no good to nobody right now.
Speaker 1: I just need to go somewhere and just figure my
Speaker 1: life out, you know what I mean. So that's what
Speaker 1: I did. It wasn't like a specific moment. It was
Speaker 1: just like me just just being so repelled by the
Speaker 1: other ship that I just wanted to get away from it,
Speaker 1: you know. And what what Because I remember I tapped
Speaker 1: back in with you, I think late last year or
Speaker 1: something with talk and you were like, yo, man, you know,
Speaker 1: I've went through a real bout of like being down,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And what exactly like was
Speaker 1: the breaking through point for you where you were motivated
Speaker 1: again to make incredible music because your album is incredible.
Speaker 1: Thank you man, Thank you. You know, I'm blessed. I'm
Speaker 1: blessed to be around some geniuses and some people that
Speaker 1: do what they do with the highest level, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And I think just getting to watch
Speaker 1: Able firsthand, you know, the Weekend first and of course
Speaker 1: music and just Crazy Run he was on. I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean just that album. I feel like it's just
Speaker 1: I've never seen an album with more legs like yeah, man,
Speaker 1: like he's gonna tour for that album next year and
Speaker 1: it came out of twenty nineteen, Like it's crazy, and
Speaker 1: honestly the album deserves it because it's like those are
Speaker 1: the things that inspire me. When I watch someone put
Speaker 1: together a masterpiece like that and I got front rod,
Speaker 1: you know, seats to the show, like that's that's inspired.
Speaker 1: Those are some of the moments that made me be like, yo, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I do. I do love this. There's
Speaker 1: something about this to that that like, you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's something that's different than anything else on the planet.
Speaker 1: Nothing else can make me feel like this. So those
Speaker 1: those are the moments that started to kind of swing
Speaker 1: me back, you know what I mean. Yeah, I mean creatively,
Speaker 1: like I feel like you're kind of a When I
Speaker 1: meet other Belly fans, it's like we're like we're like, uh,
Speaker 1: it's almost like an exclusive sneaker club or something. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like like if you know, you
Speaker 1: know type shit like oh you fuck with Belly? Oh shit,
Speaker 1: Like yeah, you know what I mean. I love that though.
Speaker 1: I love that. I love that man, yeah, because I
Speaker 1: still feel somehow you're still you still don't get your
Speaker 1: flowers as far as just your talent in your catalog,
Speaker 1: and you know, when we talk about the best rappers,
Speaker 1: and obviously you haven't, you know, you've taken taken a
Speaker 1: few years off, but just in general, I feel like
Speaker 1: your name is should be in more of those conversations.
Speaker 1: It's cool. I think it will be, you know, I
Speaker 1: think it will be like I get to feed my
Speaker 1: family with this man, I get to support my life.
Speaker 1: I get to do whatever I basically want to do,
Speaker 1: doing something I love every day. You know. And by
Speaker 1: the way, congrats, I know you and your girl just
Speaker 1: took a big old step and you told me about it,
Speaker 1: like like last month or something that. Yeah, absolutely, man.
Speaker 1: You had to go to New York to meet her family.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. When I met the family, amazing people. Man.
Speaker 1: It was like, you know, it just showed me. You know,
Speaker 1: like when you look at somebody's family and they're that good,
Speaker 1: You're like, Okay, I know exactly where you came from.
Speaker 1: And if I remember correctly, you're saying your girls Catholic
Speaker 1: or her family's Catholic, and you're obviously from a Muslim background, right,
Speaker 1: so when you went out there, you tell me the
Speaker 1: story about you gifted her parents something you had to
Speaker 1: go get a statue somewhere. Yeah, I mean it wasn't
Speaker 1: don't have to it was but no, but but but
Speaker 1: but you got you know, you went out there to
Speaker 1: make an impression obviously, as we all have, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Yeah, yeah, I think, yeah, man, I
Speaker 1: went out there, and honestly, I was. I was nervous
Speaker 1: because other times and other points in my life when
Speaker 1: this situation would arise, like with you know, previous relationships
Speaker 1: and or whatever, man, I would I would show up
Speaker 1: to the house and they would, man, they would go
Speaker 1: in you know what I mean, like they would I
Speaker 1: would be in an interrogation room basically, right, you know.
Speaker 1: And and so I think this time I was like
Speaker 1: mad nervous, you know. I wanted to make sure I
Speaker 1: did everything right. And uh, you know, I went bought
Speaker 1: the gift obviously, I bought some wine, and I went
Speaker 1: to the crib. And mind you, I don't I don't
Speaker 1: really get nervous over a lot, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: it really takes a lot to get me nervous. I
Speaker 1: was damn there shaking, you know. But from the first moment, man,
Speaker 1: like the door open, you know, her Pops was just
Speaker 1: like open arms invited me in. It was it was
Speaker 1: for me, it was a new experience. I've never I've
Speaker 1: never had that happen. Yeah, yeah, you know, so it
Speaker 1: was it was just really dope to have to have
Speaker 1: like that type of like welcoming response and just really
Speaker 1: really good people. Are you? Uh is this because obviously
Speaker 1: you know, being belly, being somebody who's uh your your
Speaker 1: your wraps are extremely uh descriptive when it comes to
Speaker 1: women and ship. You know what I'm saying is, uh
Speaker 1: is how hard is it for you to like like
Speaker 1: like make a conscious decision to be like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I found the one? Like it was that because I
Speaker 1: think we've all been in situations where we are we
Speaker 1: think we're in love, but I think a lot of
Speaker 1: it's lust, right, But to really find that one person
Speaker 1: and I just got married a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: it's like it just feels different, man like and like
Speaker 1: you could again you have a that's the best thing
Speaker 1: in the world, though, Yeah, it's really the best thing, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, from me, I think when I when I
Speaker 1: found that, I wasn't looking for it, and that was
Speaker 1: the best. That's the best part about it. Best part
Speaker 1: about it. It's like I don't think she was neither.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was just it just happened. And I
Speaker 1: think that's like, I know it sounds cliche and all that,
Speaker 1: but that's really me and my wife. Like I didn't.
Speaker 1: I was no. I got out of a real shitty
Speaker 1: uh not married with a relationship with my son's mom.
Speaker 1: It was terrible, and I was like, all right, finally
Speaker 1: I'm free. I'm gonna just get it out. It's good.
Speaker 1: Yo yo yo, yo yo, all right. But I was
Speaker 1: like ready to just take down. I was ready to
Speaker 1: catch some bodies in these streets. And then I'm her
Speaker 1: and I connected and I was like, damn, look at this.
Speaker 1: I was not expecting this ship. That's really how it be, man,
Speaker 1: And like I'm I'm over all that other ship, like
Speaker 1: I said, like the like the like the life quote
Speaker 1: unquot Yeah, like I think you know we've lived that ship. Man,
Speaker 1: it should turn me off so much that I walked
Speaker 1: away from the game. Like that's like that whole ship
Speaker 1: I think comes with so much baggage and like of
Speaker 1: course evil shit around it. Like I just it was
Speaker 1: a good thing for me to leave all of it.
Speaker 1: And then on top of that. Just having somebody like
Speaker 1: Dina in my life like she was, it was like
Speaker 1: an important moment for me to meet her, go into
Speaker 1: my next like where you were in life like she
Speaker 1: kind of Yeah, I feel important man, like she really
Speaker 1: even when I was down on my you know, my worst, like,
Speaker 1: she nurtured me back, leveled you up, man, got you back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And you know it's a blessing, bro. Like I that
Speaker 1: to me is one of the best things, if not
Speaker 1: the best thing that ever happened to me, is you know,
Speaker 1: locking down with one person, having one person that I
Speaker 1: know got my back and I got hers. That's amazing. Bro.
Speaker 1: Why is the album called See You Next Wednesday? Man?
Speaker 1: So I, Man, I go down rabbit holes with ship,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? So I with movies and
Speaker 1: all that. Of course, John Landis he directed like thriller,
Speaker 1: bunch of hit movies in the early nineties, and he
Speaker 1: would always sneak that into his movies. I See You
Speaker 1: Next Wednesday would be like a billboard or like a thriller.
Speaker 1: When Michael Jackson gets up to walk out of the theater,
Speaker 1: you hear the voice whisper see you Next Wednesday in
Speaker 1: the background. That was like his Easter egg and got
Speaker 1: a lot of his movies, right, So I thought that
Speaker 1: was cool. Just just like that, I was just like, oh,
Speaker 1: as dope as hell, like I'll just you know, I
Speaker 1: want to pay homage to John Landis, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And I dug deeper obviously the rabbit hole,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, you'd be high as fuck
Speaker 1: just trying to find out more. And finally I got
Speaker 1: to the to the to the gist of the whole
Speaker 1: thing is that was the first script that he wrote
Speaker 1: and it never got made right, and that in that
Speaker 1: position that I was in in that moment, it was
Speaker 1: It was crazy because when I read that, I was like,
Speaker 1: I I know why, this is like kind of call
Speaker 1: on my name, you know what I mean? Because the
Speaker 1: way the dots connected it, it just felt like the
Speaker 1: same thing I was going through it, like I'm making
Speaker 1: some shit right now. I don't even know if it's
Speaker 1: going to see the light of day. I don't know
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna come back to let it see the
Speaker 1: light of day, you know what I mean. So when
Speaker 1: you were working on this project, you were just working
Speaker 1: on it for you. You were working on it like
Speaker 1: to turn it into your label or to like, yo,
Speaker 1: this is a hit, or you know now you were
Speaker 1: just working. Yeah, it was honestly for me, it was
Speaker 1: like getting in there and testing and challenging myself to
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, what you did yesterday sucked. Like I
Speaker 1: had to like really just give myself talks because you know,
Speaker 1: like I said, it was like relearning all of this shit.
Speaker 1: You know, you walk away from it for so long.
Speaker 1: It was always my outlet, like my way to like
Speaker 1: say things and all that, you know, So it was
Speaker 1: really hard to not have that anymore, to be going
Speaker 1: through shit that I want to talk about and I
Speaker 1: want to be able to put in songs. But it's
Speaker 1: just the way my brain is taking it. It's not
Speaker 1: letting me, you know what I mean. It's not letting
Speaker 1: me put nothing on paper. I can't think of nothing
Speaker 1: witty to say around these things, or nothing poetic to
Speaker 1: say around these things. It was just too black and
Speaker 1: white in my head for me, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So I think it was like a challenge to myself
Speaker 1: to get in there every day and be like I
Speaker 1: fuck that, Like I'm I gotta break this wall and
Speaker 1: like do what I do, you know, just you know,
Speaker 1: it's really what I do best, you know, so day
Speaker 1: by day I really just had to just build myself
Speaker 1: back up, and you know, God blessed the album ended
Speaker 1: up being what it was. But really, if it didn't
Speaker 1: go there and I wasn't as proud as I am
Speaker 1: of this project, then that really would have been my
Speaker 1: see you next Wednesday, John Landa Style. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: you and I might have even had like I think
Speaker 1: we each when I said that was my favorite songer Like,
Speaker 1: that's crazy because that was my favorite. So I'm trying
Speaker 1: to remember what the name of it was. I don't
Speaker 1: want to give away if it wasn't any it wasn't
Speaker 1: a record with a big feature, though it might have
Speaker 1: been something to do with the devil or demons or something.
Speaker 1: Was Is there a record light? I'm trying to think
Speaker 1: there was some some man, the album is crazy, But
Speaker 1: I feel like on this project you definitely touch on
Speaker 1: a lot of personal ship that you've You've always kind
Speaker 1: of grazed over a lot of your personal life, like
Speaker 1: ship with your pop stuff like that. Like I feel
Speaker 1: like on this project, like you really dive into some
Speaker 1: some issues that you know you've gone through and ship
Speaker 1: like talk about there's your journey with with with drugs
Speaker 1: and ship, because that's something that you've always been very
Speaker 1: upfront about, whether it's get like being super loaded on ship,
Speaker 1: getting clean or et cetera. Like where how are you
Speaker 1: doing now? You know when it comes to obviously we're
Speaker 1: not talking about weed and ship, you know what I
Speaker 1: mean when it comes to the other ship. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I quite like quote unquote hard drugs right right, right
Speaker 1: right quit a couple of years ago. Hard liquor too.
Speaker 1: I don't drink hard liquor no more so you don't
Speaker 1: you when you say hard liquor, so you're not drinking tequila.
Speaker 1: You're just just just wine wine, maybe like maybe sak
Speaker 1: sometimes I stuff like that. But it's just like wead
Speaker 1: wine and psychedelics for you know, you were talking me
Speaker 1: and you had a conversation about psychedelics, but right before
Speaker 1: you came out and you said you were thinking about
Speaker 1: writing a book or you're gonna write a psychedelic inspired book, right, absolutely, yeah,
Speaker 1: what's it? What's it gonna be called? How psychedelics saved
Speaker 1: my life? Tell me how they saved your life? Man? Well,
Speaker 1: I think again the rabbit hole, Yes, I started reading
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of literature about just dosing,
Speaker 1: what different doses could do for you, and it just
Speaker 1: all depends on the effect that you want, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So I started microdosing in the middle
Speaker 1: of wow ship that was going on. Of course, of
Speaker 1: course I started microdosing. And I'm not gonna say like, oh,
Speaker 1: it was like this magical fucking just wake up and
Speaker 1: everything is you know, chipper. It was like slowly over time,
Speaker 1: like I started to gain a little more clarity and uh,
Speaker 1: you know it just it just kind of helped me
Speaker 1: find not even like a happiness, but it just helped
Speaker 1: me find like like the like the beauty and a
Speaker 1: lot of ship, you know what I mean. Like I'd
Speaker 1: go outside and like, damn, that's a that's a fucking
Speaker 1: beautiful flower, you know right. I would have never stopped before,
Speaker 1: you know, So I just I don't know, it just
Speaker 1: and I was microdosing. So it wasn't like making me
Speaker 1: like a loose. Yeah, it was just like kind of
Speaker 1: just uplifting my days, you know, when it was going on.
Speaker 1: And I think you know, from there that was like
Speaker 1: LSD microdosing and water and then now I do shroom
Speaker 1: tea most of the time. Yeah, see, I've never done
Speaker 1: the shroom tea. So how much would you put in
Speaker 1: the tea? Like, because it depends really like depends on
Speaker 1: what kind of day you're trying to Yeah, Like I
Speaker 1: like a light vibe. Like I might put a half
Speaker 1: a quarter, okay, to the whole pot, which is like,
Speaker 1: you know, six probably six tea bags and that right there.
Speaker 1: Like if you want to get fucked up, you still
Speaker 1: can if you drink all of it more than a
Speaker 1: few glasses, you know what I'm saying, Like, you'll definitely
Speaker 1: get fucked up. But I just sip as slow. I'll
Speaker 1: be in the studio work and creating ship and I
Speaker 1: sip it slow, and it's just it's like a it's
Speaker 1: like a different type of vibe. Man. It's just it's
Speaker 1: like like it helps my brain in different types of ways.
Speaker 1: So when you say psychedelics save your life, you would
Speaker 1: you say, because I for people who don't know. I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people don't understand like the therapeutic
Speaker 1: benefits of of shrooms and even M D M A
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, in certain instances. But but
Speaker 1: is that would you consider like your experience with psychedelics
Speaker 1: to be therapeutic. Absolutely, it didn't used to be, right,
Speaker 1: It used to be more probably recreational, right it used
Speaker 1: to be Yeah, it was, it was creational. And it's
Speaker 1: like I was sitting in between where like the positive
Speaker 1: effects would you know, it's like the hero dose, which
Speaker 1: is all all I mean, yeah, it's gonna make you
Speaker 1: discover yourself. And then there's the microdose, which is you
Speaker 1: know for your mental health, right, you know, just just
Speaker 1: like again, if you microdose, you can have a productive day,
Speaker 1: go to work, you can you know, do all that
Speaker 1: sho have a more productive day. Yes, that's I think
Speaker 1: that's why people do it. Yeah, so you haven't done
Speaker 1: the hero dose yet because I remember we talked and
Speaker 1: you were saying that you want to do it, but
Speaker 1: but you're not ready yet. Yeah, it's got to get
Speaker 1: you know, it's still like coming out the dark space.
Speaker 1: I want to be fully out before because that's something
Speaker 1: that's something that's like serious. That's that's man, it's for me.
Speaker 1: You look, shrooms never really sat well with me. Ah
Speaker 1: when I was younger, like when we were taking shrooms recreationally,
Speaker 1: like I used to bat trip like all the time. Wow,
Speaker 1: what I mean like and I don't want to say
Speaker 1: like bad, so you know, overused. I mean, just like
Speaker 1: you know, that uncomfortable kind of dark feeling, it turned
Speaker 1: into a fucking burning movie, you know for sure. Like
Speaker 1: that's that's how a lot of my trips started to
Speaker 1: feel like. You know, so I think shrooms. My love
Speaker 1: for shrooms came back when I started microdosing shrooms and
Speaker 1: making tea and stuff like that, because I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is the dose that my body appreciates, right, this
Speaker 1: is what this is exactly what I like, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And it's been like I said, man,
Speaker 1: it's been therapeutic, life changing. Since have you dabbled in
Speaker 1: in DMT yet, it's very crackheadish. I mean you literally
Speaker 1: smoke it out of a crack pipe. So just if
Speaker 1: you ever decided to do that, I'm definitely not You're
Speaker 1: gonna dispend anything out of a crack pipe. You're going
Speaker 1: to disappear for fifteen minutes, You're gone. Yeah, I've heard.
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of my friends have done it,
Speaker 1: you know, and and stuff like that. But that ship
Speaker 1: and then the other ship is the Ayahuashka, which is
Speaker 1: like a but that you you got to do with
Speaker 1: the shaman go to Costa Rica, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: you could do it in Orange County, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Yeah, send me the address. Yeah, no, no,
Speaker 1: that's that's the man. I think. I think. Like money
Speaker 1: Man just tweeted this the other day. He was like,
Speaker 1: we're not doing uh pills no more, only shrooms. He
Speaker 1: was like the first rapper in that kind of space
Speaker 1: that I saw kind of say that, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Because I'm like, you know, a a lot of
Speaker 1: these kids are so fucking you know, perked out fentanyl
Speaker 1: and all this ship and it's like, man, I think
Speaker 1: I think shrooms has gotta be the next wave. Bro. Man,
Speaker 1: that ship is all them pills and all them opioids
Speaker 1: and all that shit is so garbage, man, Yeah, so garbage.
Speaker 1: It's just dangerous. Just I feel like you're gambling with
Speaker 1: your life every time you do it because you don't
Speaker 1: know what the fuck you're getting. It's it's like, it's
Speaker 1: it's a sad thing to see, bro for real, because
Speaker 1: you know, you only you only hear one time. It
Speaker 1: just takes one bad pill take you off the map.
Speaker 1: You only hear once, man, what was the worst experience
Speaker 1: you had with drugs man, where maybe like you were like, damn,
Speaker 1: like this shit, Really I got to reconsider what the
Speaker 1: fuck I got going on over here. I had a
Speaker 1: bad situation happened to me a couple of times, but
Speaker 1: the one that always comes to mind is that I
Speaker 1: was in New York. You know, I was like going
Speaker 1: through a breakup at the time. You know, shit was
Speaker 1: just just felt, you know, for me. A lot of
Speaker 1: times when I get in them dark spaces, I just
Speaker 1: feel like the world is all against me. Everybody's against
Speaker 1: me everything, you know what I mean. Yeah, so I
Speaker 1: just sat in my hotel room, I answered the phone,
Speaker 1: and I just got high, bro, like whatever I could
Speaker 1: get my hands on. I was just like trying to
Speaker 1: escape whatever my reality was at that time. Then I
Speaker 1: woke up on the bathroom floor. Yeah wow, like all right,
Speaker 1: here was bruised. I guess I had fallen, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, ship And that was like that was
Speaker 1: like the awakening, That's the beginning of the end. I
Speaker 1: didn't I didn't quit there. I didn't because I was,
Speaker 1: you know, still messed up, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so it's also a lot if you're on
Speaker 1: that ship regularly, people don't understand how hard it is.
Speaker 1: You just like to quit cold turkey off. Some of
Speaker 1: that ship is not healthy. Yeah, to be honest, you know,
Speaker 1: but I'm glad man. I grew a lot. I think
Speaker 1: I'm the type of person I got to experience things.
Speaker 1: I gotta like, you can tell me a thousand times
Speaker 1: with something might do. The stove is hot, the stove
Speaker 1: is hot, you go fight. You got cool? Yeah, you're right,
Speaker 1: you know, Like that's how I am. So you know,
Speaker 1: it was a blessing in disguise that really showed me
Speaker 1: everything that I never want to be. That's some real ship,
Speaker 1: I think. I think too, Like like you said, like
Speaker 1: we we I mean, especially you and I probably similar
Speaker 1: in age. We kind of came up in a different
Speaker 1: era of socially when it came to some of those drugs,
Speaker 1: and I think it became so like it's so accepted
Speaker 1: to get into certain drugs that if it was the nineties,
Speaker 1: people would like clown you for And like you said,
Speaker 1: like you know, you go through a situation like that,
Speaker 1: it really makes you look at yourself and be like, damn,
Speaker 1: I I if I was looking at me from another
Speaker 1: person's body, but look at this fucking guy like that's
Speaker 1: really what it is. And honestly that's see I approach
Speaker 1: life like outwardly like that, because you know, people will
Speaker 1: be like, oh, Yo, don't you know, don't don't get
Speaker 1: around this person or this style. This guy's a bad
Speaker 1: and I'm like, Yo, you could learn what not to
Speaker 1: be from somebody and it could be equally as important
Speaker 1: as learning what to be from somebody else, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? And I had to learn what I
Speaker 1: didn't want to fuck be, you know. That was that
Speaker 1: was that moment and looking at me like yo, to say,
Speaker 1: I don't like this for myself. I wanted a shout
Speaker 1: out to to the homies, the La Leakers, because I
Speaker 1: feel like you've you just did three for three on
Speaker 1: the freestyle Brothers. Yeah, that first one was so crazy,
Speaker 1: I felt because that first one happened after the Flex one.
Speaker 1: That I thought was that that was after the Flex one, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: when Flex did his top freestyles and you put you
Speaker 1: in there after it was the fucking weirdess shit ever
Speaker 1: But anyway, I digress, but Yo, you you came that
Speaker 1: that that first Leakers freestyle was so crazy because I
Speaker 1: know Hove was a fan of it, and there were
Speaker 1: so many like I feel like that kind of woke
Speaker 1: a lot of people up as far as like, Yo,
Speaker 1: who the fuck is this guy, Belly Who? I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously people didn't know who you were already, but like,
Speaker 1: how important was that first freestyle to like just everything
Speaker 1: for you? You know what I mean? Because I felt
Speaker 1: like it really kind of puts you in a whole
Speaker 1: nother space. Yeah, I agree, that really had more of
Speaker 1: an effect than some of my you know, biggest songs
Speaker 1: or like singles right that were out. So I go back.
Speaker 1: I probably listen to that thing twice a month. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm forced to listen to it. I still get tagged
Speaker 1: in that freestyle every day, you know, hero villain. This
Speaker 1: is all perspective, no false elections. Yeah, but yeah, it did.
Speaker 1: It did a lot for me, man, It really changed
Speaker 1: my life. And I think the dopest part about it
Speaker 1: for me was what it did just amongst my peers,
Speaker 1: you know, mm hmm, because a lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of you know, colleagues of people in the game that
Speaker 1: I know or work with or just vibe with whatever,
Speaker 1: you know, we know of each other's talents, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But I don't think a lot of
Speaker 1: even like my own friends or peers knew you had
Speaker 1: it like that, knew I was going to go in
Speaker 1: there and do that, you know, So I think, you know,
Speaker 1: it just it just like gave me like this new
Speaker 1: found kind of like perspective or gave other people like
Speaker 1: a new right people who weren't already tapped in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure. So I think that was like the dopest part. Yeah,
Speaker 1: was that because that freestyle came out in was it
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen? I think it was twenty eighteen? Was it
Speaker 1: was it earlier? Was it twenty seventeen? Was earlier than that?
Speaker 1: It was maybe twenty seventeen there, twenty seventeen, probably because
Speaker 1: after that you did mumble Rap, I feel like, and
Speaker 1: Mumble Rap was like, I think, a project that doesn't
Speaker 1: get talked about it enough because it was just bars.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was like you know, it was it
Speaker 1: was something I had to do. Man at that point.
Speaker 1: I think at that point, not a lot of people
Speaker 1: were putting out projects like that, like I feel like now,
Speaker 1: especially because of what you know, Griselda did and you know,
Speaker 1: came back or literally just put They stumped the fucking
Speaker 1: game out with this ship, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So I feel like now everybody's really inclined to want to,
Speaker 1: you know, put out rap music and come back to
Speaker 1: the bars. And you know, yeah, I think what happened
Speaker 1: too because I think, you know, Griselda has been actively
Speaker 1: around that time, they were active, you know. I just
Speaker 1: think that I think that what was dope about the
Speaker 1: pandemic And obviously Griselda was on fire before the pandemic,
Speaker 1: but I think it just kind of made people listen
Speaker 1: to music differently because they weren't standing on couches anymore.
Speaker 1: They had to listen in their car at home or
Speaker 1: in their headphones. So I think if you like, look
Speaker 1: at the Best Rap Album category from the Grammys last year,
Speaker 1: it's like us a lot. It's a lot of just
Speaker 1: bars in this motherfucker. So I think, you know, guys
Speaker 1: like Freddie Gibbs and for Rayster five nine and all
Speaker 1: these guys who have been putting in work. I just
Speaker 1: think it was like last year was such a good
Speaker 1: year for real. I'm not talking about them like now
Speaker 1: now we know Freddy and of course no, I didn't
Speaker 1: know they're gonna put out some rap shit. I'm talking
Speaker 1: about people that we wouldn't expect to put out rap
Speaker 1: ship right now, right right, being like Yo, you know,
Speaker 1: like like shit I could rap, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: trying to and trying to do something that maybe three
Speaker 1: or four years ago they would have even tried. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Oh, that's for sure. I think
Speaker 1: like that shift is kind of like evident now. No,
Speaker 1: I think so too, and I think it's been It's
Speaker 1: It's great for me as a fan because I was
Speaker 1: in the like money back Yo's album and I'd be like, Yo,
Speaker 1: there's some ship on here that I wouldn't have heard,
Speaker 1: you know, And I love Yo's album, Like, but there's
Speaker 1: some ship on there, and I'm like, this is some
Speaker 1: ill like just hip hop ship, Like yeah, man, money
Speaker 1: Bag Yo's were them guys bro talented, very talented, got
Speaker 1: talented as a hip hop head yourself, who are you like,
Speaker 1: obviously you got Benny on the project. I mean you
Speaker 1: got some other legends on the album. But who are
Speaker 1: you a fan of? Right? They say we've got nas
Speaker 1: on the album. Oh, I don't know. Listen, I don't
Speaker 1: want to be Okay, so you got nas on the album.
Speaker 1: We've got Boozy the Weekend. No not, we can't say that.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, so I believe that the Weekends. I'll let
Speaker 1: you tell everyone who you're comfortable with the telling who's
Speaker 1: on the album because yeah yeah, yeah, so we got
Speaker 1: the Weekend and NOAs it's a joint called that for it. Okay.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so they're on the same song together, all right,
Speaker 1: we get talking with songs fucking crazy, it's fucking crazy,
Speaker 1: and we shot the video. I'll show you the video.
Speaker 1: We were talking like, Yo, this should got to be
Speaker 1: like victory type video, like, man, yeah, I think, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, it's an incredible visual, bro, Like it's just
Speaker 1: it really looks like a movie obviously. Benny Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: money bag yo, yeah, money bag yo. Man, I got
Speaker 1: able again on another joint. Yes, but you know that'll
Speaker 1: come out. He's on the total with three now. The
Speaker 1: third one is just he's just doing bad but he's
Speaker 1: on there though, but he's just doing the background vocal
Speaker 1: because remember when I heard it, You're like, yo, that's
Speaker 1: him doing background vocals. I'm like, bro, you got it.
Speaker 1: You got it on your own three times technically that's
Speaker 1: pretty crazy, man, this is super dope. What was it like,
Speaker 1: like rapping up on a song with Nas, because that
Speaker 1: is scary. Yeah, that's got to be scary, right, you know,
Speaker 1: like obviously it's a fucking one of the biggest honors
Speaker 1: of my life of course ship, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's somebody that I've learned from and respected and looked
Speaker 1: up to, you know, half my life. So but scary, man,
Speaker 1: it's like, I hope not just don't watch me on
Speaker 1: this ship, you know what I mean. That's that's really
Speaker 1: how I felt. And my verse was there was already
Speaker 1: done time I sent it, you know, So you're you
Speaker 1: had to send your verse in like because some people will,
Speaker 1: you know, they might get the NAS verse back and
Speaker 1: they might revisit their verse. That's that's that's against the rules. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's the unwritten rules. But some people do that.
Speaker 1: Shout out to memory llll did that on the four
Speaker 1: three two one joint, and that's how the whole cannabis
Speaker 1: shit happened. Oh I didn't even know that. Yeah, but nah.
Speaker 1: So so when you got NAS's verse back, where you like,
Speaker 1: I held my own. I mean, man, I'm I'm I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm just glad he did what he did on it. Man,
Speaker 1: he killed that ship. And I think for me, it's
Speaker 1: always I think it's gonna cut through no matter what,
Speaker 1: because it's like a personal verse, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's it's like some real I talk about some real things,
Speaker 1: and I think that's always gonna cut through, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. People are always going to feel that
Speaker 1: type of thing. So, first time The Weekend and NOAs
Speaker 1: have done a record together. Yeah, amazing. What is Able's
Speaker 1: influence on the album? Like? How? How? Because I know
Speaker 1: you guys are very close obviously he's on the project
Speaker 1: a lot. But as far as just like like when
Speaker 1: he hear like, does he give you notes? Does he
Speaker 1: give you his thoughts? You know what I'm saying? Hell yeah,
Speaker 1: Hell yeah. Bro. He's he's super involved, man. Like I
Speaker 1: can't say enough about that dude. Bro, Like with everything
Speaker 1: that he's done as an artist, bro, Like what he's
Speaker 1: done as a person and just for like the people
Speaker 1: around them, and you know, just the just the blessings
Speaker 1: that he's that he's been able to bestow on different
Speaker 1: people and just the world in general and just help
Speaker 1: and all that like it's to me, it far exceeds
Speaker 1: even when he's done musically top tier. No, he seems
Speaker 1: to be like just from like an outside perspective. Obviously
Speaker 1: I'm cool with you and Manny and sounding those guys,
Speaker 1: but like he seems to be like probably like one
Speaker 1: of the exceptions when we think of just like people
Speaker 1: who made it that big that are just like loyalist.
Speaker 1: Fuck you know what I'm saying. And he's just he's
Speaker 1: just himself twenty four hours a day, like you're not
Speaker 1: gonna knock him off his axis. Like he's himself. He's
Speaker 1: always going to be that no matter what. That's why
Speaker 1: you know he doesn't get weird. He'll never be like
Speaker 1: that movie type of artist ever. Yeah, you'll see him
Speaker 1: at like like you'll see him at random ship and
Speaker 1: you'll be like, oh, the weekends, he's for the people, man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I trust me. Yeah, No, it's crazy. You have some
Speaker 1: writing credits, like obviously with I want to say, someone
Speaker 1: just told me that they looked at the writing credits
Speaker 1: on Blinding Lights and you you have you have credits
Speaker 1: on that record. Yeah, I do you know, like with
Speaker 1: that stuff. I'm sure you've heard me say this before too.
Speaker 1: You know, like I never like to go into the
Speaker 1: songwriting stuff for like what I you know, what people
Speaker 1: see credits on right, because like that can mean a
Speaker 1: bunch of different things, by the way. Yeah, like and
Speaker 1: not only that, it's like especially with somebody like you know,
Speaker 1: The Weekend or like a lot of the people I
Speaker 1: work with, which is the type of artist I love
Speaker 1: to work with, are people that create their own world.
Speaker 1: They create these songs and then you know, Abel's pen
Speaker 1: is crazy ridiculous, like the guy could write his ass off,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So for me, it's just
Speaker 1: like it's kind of like a blessing to me to
Speaker 1: be like, yo, ship you want to you know, you
Speaker 1: want the fact you're contributed. Like yeah, like like I'm I'm,
Speaker 1: I'm exactly, I'm. I feel just blessed that, uh that
Speaker 1: you know, different artists feel like I could compliment to
Speaker 1: something they already got, you know what I mean? Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I feel like you know, for me to you know,
Speaker 1: give give a record or whatever. You know, it could
Speaker 1: be a demo. You can get a demo and might
Speaker 1: like it and you might record it. And I've had
Speaker 1: songs you know, go like that. But like the artists
Speaker 1: that I really love to work with. It's like I'm
Speaker 1: really coming in collaborative effort, and it's like it's something
Speaker 1: that's already there, you know what I mean. It's it's
Speaker 1: it's like something that the artist has had such a
Speaker 1: great vision for already, you know. Like I said, like,
Speaker 1: those are the type of people that I like to
Speaker 1: work with. No, that is crazy because that record is
Speaker 1: like obviously when the biggest songs in the last twenty
Speaker 1: five years, but it's also a record that was so
Speaker 1: brave because it just felt like the eighties. It felt
Speaker 1: like it felt like something like we jumped in a
Speaker 1: time machine and it was like it's like such a
Speaker 1: nostalgic record, but it's also like a current pop hit
Speaker 1: like oh yeah, Like and then the whole album had
Speaker 1: that heartbeat for sure when you heard like like when
Speaker 1: you first heard that record, like prior to whatever you contributed,
Speaker 1: like like did you feel like, oh shit, this is
Speaker 1: because it's legit. I mean, I think it might be
Speaker 1: the biggest song of the last five years at least.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know, it just lived in the top
Speaker 1: ten on Billboard. I'm just I'm just proud that we
Speaker 1: win as a family. Bro. That's that's really that's really
Speaker 1: the best part of all of this, you know, in
Speaker 1: the super Bowl, Man, That's what I'm saying. Like the
Speaker 1: fact that I could look around and you know, see
Speaker 1: guys that have known for at least a decade all
Speaker 1: around me, and everybody successful at what they do, everybody's happy.
Speaker 1: That's that's the great feeling in the world. That's like,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, other than individual wins of course,
Speaker 1: which of course, like you know, you got to feel
Speaker 1: good about, but regardless, man, just being able to look
Speaker 1: around at the FAMI and see everybody in a good position, Bro,
Speaker 1: That's that's the dream. Yeah, man, what is There's something
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk to you about that has obviously
Speaker 1: had escalated since I saw you last. I saw you
Speaker 1: about a month and a half ago. You know, I
Speaker 1: know you're very passionate about what's going on with your
Speaker 1: people overseas in Palestine, and I've tried to do my
Speaker 1: best to educate myself on a very complicated situation. But
Speaker 1: I think that you know, me and you had kind
Speaker 1: of spoke about like how it's like it could be
Speaker 1: I'm sure it could be frustrating because It's like, I
Speaker 1: feel like there's only so much you could say before
Speaker 1: people try to like label you some shit that you're not. Like,
Speaker 1: you could be very critical of government, of countries, of
Speaker 1: you know, without being somebody who's criticizing a whole people. Absolutely,
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Speaker 1: we had mic issues, but we're here. Well no, I mean, obviously, man,
Speaker 1: I was bringing up you know, what's going on in
Speaker 1: Palestine in Gaza. It's a complicated situation, but it's also
Speaker 1: really like on a human level aspect, it doesn't seem
Speaker 1: very complicated. Yeah, I don't. I don't think it's it's
Speaker 1: very complicated. You know for Palestinians, it's been a struggle
Speaker 1: for a long time, and it's like this this like
Speaker 1: cycle keeps repeating over and over, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's like it's hard to see real change happen when
Speaker 1: people aren't being told, you know, the whole story about
Speaker 1: what's really happening over there, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And again, you know, like I really feel like it
Speaker 1: comes down to it comes down the people having to
Speaker 1: hold their governments accountable, and that's I think that's the
Speaker 1: only way we could change, you know, the status quo.
Speaker 1: The way they even perceive us and look at us
Speaker 1: and stuff like that is like, you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: dehumanizing at the end of the day. It's like, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, Palestinian people some of the most resilient people
Speaker 1: in the world, of course, gone through some of the
Speaker 1: worst atrocities, and all anyone's asking for that, anyone that's
Speaker 1: speaking out, all anyone's asking for is some compassion, some compassion,
Speaker 1: some human rights, and you know, not not to see
Speaker 1: the situation through bias eyes, to actually just look and
Speaker 1: do the proper research and then you can come up
Speaker 1: with your own answer. You know. Yeah, I mean from
Speaker 1: what I've gathered is like obviously what transpired during Ramadan?
Speaker 1: How that like like you know, I spoke to my
Speaker 1: friend Adam Rice, who's Jewish and his parents go to
Speaker 1: Israel every single year, and he was like, we're wrong
Speaker 1: in this thing, man, Like what did like like, why
Speaker 1: would you do that to those people during their holiest
Speaker 1: time and expect like things like you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like like nobody like wouldever think to do that and
Speaker 1: expect anything good to happen of it, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? And even Peter Rosenberg, who you know, again
Speaker 1: is obviously a Jewish man, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Me and Peter talked about it pretty extensively, and he
Speaker 1: kind of mirrored the same thoughts, you know, And I
Speaker 1: think it kind of comes down to, like you said,
Speaker 1: holding your government accountable in the same way that if
Speaker 1: Donald Trump's a piece of shit and somebody from fucking
Speaker 1: Europe is like, man, Donald Trump's a piece of shit.
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean the Americans are pieces of shit. It
Speaker 1: means that, yo, you know. And I've heard that the
Speaker 1: guy who and again I'm not like the craziest like
Speaker 1: as far as like who's like being educated on the
Speaker 1: ins and outs of of the government in Israel, But
Speaker 1: I've heard from people who I trust that like, yo,
Speaker 1: essentially the guy who's running shit in Israel is like
Speaker 1: their version of Trump, like hardcore right wing, like crazy,
Speaker 1: like crazy Neo Khan type ass motherfucker. So it's just rough, man,
Speaker 1: because like you see some of these images of these
Speaker 1: people and it's like, dude, like this, I mean, his
Speaker 1: his his own government is holding him accountable and he
Speaker 1: just got ousted from his position a few days ago.
Speaker 1: See I didn't know that. Yeah, you know, he's on
Speaker 1: corruption charges, being accused of bribery. It's all kinds. This
Speaker 1: is not a it's not a favorable human you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So it's it's easy to see how
Speaker 1: somebody like that could really, you know, put poison the well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think to what people have to understand too,
Speaker 1: And this I've always said this about America, like just
Speaker 1: in general, Like, yo, like, if you're what do you
Speaker 1: expect to happen if you're like imagine if you're a
Speaker 1: kid in Gaza, right and somebody bombed the building you
Speaker 1: live in, and let's say you lost your mom, Like,
Speaker 1: what do you expect that kid to grow up feeling about?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It's almost like it's a
Speaker 1: cycle that will never end until it ends. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean you know, to me, I feel like it's just
Speaker 1: gonna have to come down to people just just looking
Speaker 1: at it as a human issue. Politics on the side.
Speaker 1: You know, there's there's civilians, kids dying, you know, and
Speaker 1: the thing that the thing about the whole you know,
Speaker 1: we're gonna hunt a specific militia or whatever, right, and
Speaker 1: it's like I'm all for it. You want to go,
Speaker 1: uh find some some criminals or whatever the case is.
Speaker 1: And not in that particular situation. I'm talking just in
Speaker 1: general vaguely. Yeah, you know, but you shouldn't be killing
Speaker 1: civilians to go get to the people that you're mad
Speaker 1: at for killing civilians, Like it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: There's got to be a better way to approach all
Speaker 1: of this, which is also what happened with the United States,
Speaker 1: like Obama and the drones. And I mean, this shit
Speaker 1: is like happened so much where it's like, Yo, at
Speaker 1: what point in time is getting the bad guy where
Speaker 1: it's killing a bunch of innocent kids, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like this is crazy because again it's like
Speaker 1: who suffers? Bro? Yeah, and then and then and then
Speaker 1: it's almost like the psycho gets hit on repeat because
Speaker 1: imagine I can only imagine if I grew up somewhere
Speaker 1: and someone my my parents or my sister died or
Speaker 1: my best friend died, like how I would feel about
Speaker 1: whoever the fuck did that for the rest of my
Speaker 1: life and it's like it's just never you know, It's
Speaker 1: just it's almost like the gang shit, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like we always talk I'll talk to the homies,
Speaker 1: who are you know, gang bangers out here? And like
Speaker 1: I'll be like, yo, like what is the Like, how's
Speaker 1: the violence? He's like, how are you going to tell
Speaker 1: somebody to not turn up on that crew when they
Speaker 1: they they took their brother a cousin? Well, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's it's it's like what it's like
Speaker 1: you said, it's got to be a human rights thing, man,
Speaker 1: And I think unfortunately I wish like our government would
Speaker 1: have stepped in and done more. But like you said earlier,
Speaker 1: it's like that politics shit comes into play again once
Speaker 1: you throw all that politics bullshit you know, out the window.
Speaker 1: And that's why I wish we had Bernie man and
Speaker 1: you just stop and you have some you fucked with Bernie, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought. I think Bernie is like the illest motherfucker,
Speaker 1: like he should have been on President bro. Bernie's great man.
Speaker 1: He's Jewish right like, and he don't give a fuck
Speaker 1: Like he's like, Yo, it's about human rights, but this
Speaker 1: thing ain't about this. The thing is it's not about
Speaker 1: being Jewish, right, No, but you know what, you're right
Speaker 1: and we know that and we can have that conversation.
Speaker 1: But the Internet and Twitter and it's like you're either
Speaker 1: there or you're here. There's no in the middle. Bro.
Speaker 1: I got people from all walks of life, So do
Speaker 1: I Jewish, Muslim, Christian, Catholic, Buddhist, whatever you want to name, Atheist,
Speaker 1: whatever you want to name. One hundred percent that I
Speaker 1: consider some people I consider family, friends, colleagues, co workers, whatever.
Speaker 1: That to me never means nothing. It'll never stop my
Speaker 1: love for you, It'll never stop my support for you.
Speaker 1: It'll never stop nothing. Everybody just has a stop and
Speaker 1: look at it from a human issue. Take the tribal
Speaker 1: the tribal shit away, Take the politics government, take all
Speaker 1: the all the bias, all all the things you want
Speaker 1: to feel, take those away and just be like, yo,
Speaker 1: let's just look at what's going on here. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean. No matter where you are and what
Speaker 1: country you're from, if you love your country, you're gonna
Speaker 1: hold your government accountable until they're doing the right thing.
Speaker 1: I saw you posted the kid from Palestine, the rapper,
Speaker 1: the young kid. Yeah he actually uh, I think Gazi
Speaker 1: just signed him the empire. Yeah, so shout out to Ghazi,
Speaker 1: but yeah, shout out to Gazi. You were able to
Speaker 1: tap in with with him like directly, because he's going
Speaker 1: to like he talks to everybody kind of around me,
Speaker 1: all my guys. Yeah, I mean, so it's just a
Speaker 1: matter of time before we connect. You know, what's his
Speaker 1: name because I don't I don't know if the time
Speaker 1: I had, but I saw the video. I think you're
Speaker 1: reposted the video. Yeah, I think his name is I'm
Speaker 1: not sure because his Instagram name is different, but I
Speaker 1: think it's Abdual. I think his name is Abdual. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I saw that. I was like, Yo, this kid man,
Speaker 1: he's incredible. He's incredible. I love that kid man. I
Speaker 1: think his bravery, his courageousness, you know, to be able
Speaker 1: to do what he's doing is incredible. Man, it's incredible.
Speaker 1: And then he can rap Hello. He's young, so you
Speaker 1: already knows it's gonna grow into something. He can rap beautiful,
Speaker 1: you know, talk about so you for people. You know,
Speaker 1: you've been an independent artist for a very long time
Speaker 1: before you were fucking with XO. You've you were you know,
Speaker 1: I remember seeing your name for a long time. I
Speaker 1: remember I think you had a record with the game,
Speaker 1: and you've been doing your thing for a minute. Obviously,
Speaker 1: coming into the XO fold, I didn't have a record
Speaker 1: with the game. Was a snoop. I had two records.
Speaker 1: It was snoop. It wasn't the game. It was snoop. Yeah,
Speaker 1: me and game never worked together. No, it was snoop. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: yeah it was snoop. I was was it a snoop
Speaker 1: of the game? I was gonna say snoopid first? But uh,
Speaker 1: you come out with XO, you have a smash record,
Speaker 1: like might not with with with with the weekend? Having
Speaker 1: a record like that, is it like a gift in
Speaker 1: a curse? I mean, obviously it's a gift more than anything.
Speaker 1: But like that's such a big song, like it's it's
Speaker 1: I mean, did you find yourself ever chasing that record
Speaker 1: like at any point in time? No way that happens
Speaker 1: sometimes when you come because honestly for me and my
Speaker 1: background of what I come from, right like like I
Speaker 1: let songs go all the time, you know, so I
Speaker 1: have no personal attachment to records. And what that did
Speaker 1: for me, like the mentality that it built inside of me,
Speaker 1: was I could do this again? Like I don't. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna be married to the song. If if this
Speaker 1: person as a vessel could push this song further than
Speaker 1: I can, who the might a stand in my own way,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. That came from guess what,
Speaker 1: wake up tomorrow and I make another one. It doesn't
Speaker 1: have to be that right or something that dope, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I think sometimes that happens tho,
Speaker 1: where I see artists like that, they come out swinging
Speaker 1: with such a big song and they almost get like
Speaker 1: lost in the sauce of that record. Nah. For me,
Speaker 1: it's like, I'm happy we got might not and I'm
Speaker 1: happy it did what it did. And the sound is
Speaker 1: video was crazy, video was crazy, all that. But that's
Speaker 1: that's that's its moment. You know. I'll never try to
Speaker 1: recreate that moment again. You'll never get that moment again.
Speaker 1: Talk about your relationship with Nipsey Man. I'm Nipsey's somebody
Speaker 1: who you know, I was close with since about nine.
Speaker 1: One of the greats you're on arguably one of the
Speaker 1: best songs on Victory Lap. You know here, I know,
Speaker 1: I'd always see all the XL guys around nip Like
Speaker 1: anytime he would do an activation, I'd see Nab over there.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about y'all's relationship. Man. When I first came
Speaker 1: to La Man, nip was somebody that was just like
Speaker 1: just like like instantly you know a friend. It was crazy,
Speaker 1: like just like two three weeks and then knowing NIP,
Speaker 1: I felt like I knew him for like ten years, right.
Speaker 1: He was that kind of guy for sure. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: like he would pull up to the house, you know,
Speaker 1: he would come through with Slow shout out the Slow
Speaker 1: Slow was living with me at the time, and Studio
Speaker 1: City and Nipple pull up man, and just like it
Speaker 1: wasn't even about like working. It was he would't even
Speaker 1: want to, you know, not like he wouldn't want to,
Speaker 1: but he wouldn't even play his records. He'd just be like,
Speaker 1: let me hear what you're working on. I thought that
Speaker 1: was so dope because you know every rappers get everybody
Speaker 1: wants to play you there ship and they're like, there's
Speaker 1: the ox, you know, that's the Ox. He was always
Speaker 1: just like, now, let me, I want to hear what
Speaker 1: you're working on. Like he was just genuinely like you know,
Speaker 1: always always interested and whatever was going on, it was.
Speaker 1: It was vice versa, you know, like I was always
Speaker 1: a fan in it. It wasn't just from when we met.
Speaker 1: Before we met, I was a fan of him so
Speaker 1: I made sure I let that be known, you know,
Speaker 1: throughout the whole course of us working together and and
Speaker 1: and being friends and all that, I let people know
Speaker 1: the the level this guy was on was different, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like it was it was something
Speaker 1: special to see somebody like that come around and double up,
Speaker 1: Like was that something that was pretty much like done?
Speaker 1: And then you you you added your part of like
Speaker 1: how did that? How did how did you end up
Speaker 1: on that song? Because it's, like I said, one of
Speaker 1: the best songs on the project for sure. Man. They
Speaker 1: brought me the song and we're like, basically, you know,
Speaker 1: Nip been wanting to work with you on something whatever,
Speaker 1: Like he doesn't know that we're giving you this, so
Speaker 1: just you know, do your thing and then we're just
Speaker 1: gonna basically like you know, play it for him and
Speaker 1: be like yo, you know what I mean? And yeah,
Speaker 1: it was nuts, bro, Like I remember I did this.
Speaker 1: There's way more of that song that never made it
Speaker 1: to the song. You know, did you have a verse
Speaker 1: on it? Ever? I had a verse on the song.
Speaker 1: It was funny because that was when I first got
Speaker 1: that fucking victory lap on Spotify. That was the first
Speaker 1: song I went to and I was so disappointed that
Speaker 1: you didn't rap on I mean, you did your think
Speaker 1: on it, but I was like, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: Belly and Nip. That part that Nip ended up using
Speaker 1: throughout the song that was that was like my outro
Speaker 1: after the verse. So that was like, you know, that's
Speaker 1: how I kind of ended my verse. And but it
Speaker 1: was it was. It was long as ship, man, So
Speaker 1: it's a it's a long song currently, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: The song is to be like seven minutes and forty
Speaker 1: five seconds. I never I was never like, damn, why
Speaker 1: why didn't you keep you know, I was just happy
Speaker 1: to be part of it. That project was a classic
Speaker 1: to me. The first time I heard it, I was like,
Speaker 1: this ship, this ship is a masterpiece. You know, in
Speaker 1: our world, that's a masterpiece right there. Man. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think we get one of those albums like every few
Speaker 1: years where we're like, yo, just to live forever, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And I think I think your
Speaker 1: album might be one of those, man. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Man, thank you. I hope so Bro, Like
Speaker 1: you know, I make this ship between four walls. I
Speaker 1: think I told you this when you came you know,
Speaker 1: because you were one of the first people that came
Speaker 1: through and listened to the full length mastered versions of
Speaker 1: the songs. You know, I think I told you that,
Speaker 1: like you had your producers locked in, your guys are there.
Speaker 1: It's hard because you make shit between four walls and
Speaker 1: it's like you're the only opinion that's on it, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So sometimes things feel personal to
Speaker 1: you for certain reasons, but you know you're being biased
Speaker 1: because again it's your song. It's like, no, but I
Speaker 1: said this and that ship resident it doesn't matter. None
Speaker 1: of that matters. Now when you leave the four walls
Speaker 1: and you know, people like yourself come through and listen,
Speaker 1: that shit is really nerve racking to me because I'm like,
Speaker 1: nobody's heard this ship yet, Like I don't know until now,
Speaker 1: I still get like butterflies about it, and I don't know,
Speaker 1: like you know, I still get like kind of nervous
Speaker 1: about it. Before I play the music for the first
Speaker 1: time for people, you know what I mean, and we
Speaker 1: have no idea when it's coming out yet. Probably before
Speaker 1: the end of the summer, was assuming I mean you yeah,
Speaker 1: I think probably towards July. When's the beginning of the summer.
Speaker 1: We're in the summer right now. I was just in
Speaker 1: Arizona was one hundred and eighteen degrees. So you're going
Speaker 1: to Palm Springs this weekend. It's gonna be fucking It's
Speaker 1: gonna be twenty degrees tomorrow Jesus one, twenty one, twenty. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're going out there just to create, right, Yeah, go
Speaker 1: out there, maybe hero does. Maybe just let go. Man,
Speaker 1: it's a lot. It's a lot, man, Man, there it
Speaker 1: is anything. I mean, I know we talked to You'll
Speaker 1: be doing some weed shit soon. The book hopeful. So
Speaker 1: this book that you're gonna write, this is like like
Speaker 1: you're going through with this for sure. This is like
Speaker 1: something where yeah, yeah, I'm like the book. It's not
Speaker 1: one book too. I got a few ideas. This is
Speaker 1: just the one that I'm like most confident with because
Speaker 1: this is like something that I just this is the
Speaker 1: era that I'm just coming through now, so everything's still
Speaker 1: fresh in my mind. I can talk about it and
Speaker 1: talk about all the benefits that I had from it.
Speaker 1: So you know what's crazy, because you're such a movie buff,
Speaker 1: would you ever consider like like and you're such a
Speaker 1: great writer. Would you ever consider like writing fucking screenplays? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would love to, Man, I just feel like it's
Speaker 1: like not my area of expertise. So you know, I
Speaker 1: would want somebody to just kind of show me the ropes,
Speaker 1: you know. And I always feel like that, like it's
Speaker 1: just good for somebody that is in that world that
Speaker 1: knows the little ins and outs and just the little
Speaker 1: things that people look for. Like you said, you're gonna
Speaker 1: do this book with like an author right where you
Speaker 1: just kind of some kind of shit, right, Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: you know, like I could write, man, but I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna sit there and write a book. It's just not
Speaker 1: gonna happen. No yet. No race is too fast. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, so it's a good way to do it.
Speaker 1: I just get the writer there and then I go
Speaker 1: on my little rants and before you know it, man,
Speaker 1: we got books. You know what I mean? Because this
Speaker 1: is real shit that I went through. So when I
Speaker 1: talk about it, I can talk about it clearly every time.
Speaker 1: This is all ship that's still freshened my mind, that
Speaker 1: affected me, you know in big ways. So have you decided? Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I think when I engage my wife, we
Speaker 1: got married like inside of two years. I was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: I don't want to be one of these fucking guys
Speaker 1: who's engaged for fucking five years and everyone's asking what
Speaker 1: the fucking wedding is. I was like, We've tried to
Speaker 1: figure this shit out as fast as possible. Have you
Speaker 1: have you thought about like where you guys want to
Speaker 1: get married? Yet we want to get married at the house, man,
Speaker 1: you know, at our house, and I think you have
Speaker 1: told me that, Yeah, that's when we want to get married,
Speaker 1: Like we all this, you know, big extravagant, crazy shit
Speaker 1: like I just want to make sure all our loved
Speaker 1: ones are there. And it also kind of weeds out
Speaker 1: like having an invite too many people, cause you could
Speaker 1: be like, yo, you know, we're doing it at the house.
Speaker 1: It's small, it's private, it's cozy. Yeah, because if you
Speaker 1: if you, if you get like the big venue and
Speaker 1: you don't invite like every rapper friends you have, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, especially like just all the random
Speaker 1: industry people, you know, it's like, no, no, we did
Speaker 1: it at the house. It was private. If you have
Speaker 1: this record coming out the next day, oh man, anyway,
Speaker 1: we'll listen. Bro. The album is hopefully coming to see
Speaker 1: you next Wednesday is coming soon. A new record with
Speaker 1: the money Bag Yell is out go play that Ship weekend,
Speaker 1: and Nas is on the album videos already shot ye
Speaker 1: video shot Man was it was it? Whose idea was
Speaker 1: it to put Nas on it? Honestly, I can't remember
Speaker 1: exactly whose idea it was, but you know, shout out
Speaker 1: to Anthony and Nas. You know, it's it's like a
Speaker 1: it's an extended family thing. Yeah. And then obviously the
Speaker 1: next bucket, this feature you're gonna you're gonna get. I'm
Speaker 1: putting it in the airs, gonna be the whole record.
Speaker 1: Whenever you get the whole record, it'll be big. I
Speaker 1: can't wait for that. It's gotta happen. Ye, Like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't think I'll ever retire if I
Speaker 1: don't get that one. It's funny. Yeah, Benny said the
Speaker 1: same ship. He's like, he's like yeah, He's like and
Speaker 1: he's signed, you know, I mean obviously your rock Nation
Speaker 1: as well. But it's like he's almost like Betty's such
Speaker 1: a big J fan. He's like, I don't feel like
Speaker 1: I ever feel accomplished until I get that song. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel the same way. Like you notice, man, Like
Speaker 1: when I write my raps, I always pretend like he's
Speaker 1: is getting ready to grade me. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: What's your favorite J album? That's tough, man, That's tough
Speaker 1: obviously a reasonable doubt for me, it's reasonable doubt. That's
Speaker 1: just because that was my introduction. Yeah, I mean so,
Speaker 1: I think that his most slept on album though, And
Speaker 1: I think people don't give this album enough love because
Speaker 1: there's some bullshit on it. It's Blueprint too. I love
Speaker 1: Blueprint too. That song Meet the Parents, He's like one
Speaker 1: of the best storytelling songs of all time. Like, whenever
Speaker 1: I like tell people like I'm like, yo, go to
Speaker 1: fucking Blueprint too, press play on Meet the Parents and
Speaker 1: like listen to it five times in a row. It's
Speaker 1: like a Quentin Tarantino movie on wax. Yeah he's different, man,
Speaker 1: I hope has been different. He's been different, bro. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I hope's that dude. Man. Yeah, he's literally the blueprint.
Speaker 1: That's why it made so much sense to cause out
Speaker 1: in that because he's literally the blueprint for the epitome
Speaker 1: of what a rap life should look like. Somebody that
Speaker 1: came up in the streets and turned to rap, turn
Speaker 1: into a mold. The way, the business, the everything man,
Speaker 1: every aspect of his life. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: He's literally the epitome of what all of us should
Speaker 1: be aspiring to be. We'll look see you next Wednesday,
Speaker 1: coming soon, Belly, Go fuck with him, and we're gonna
Speaker 1: get some weed from you soon too,