WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Big Picture Bye Week 0:00:04.600 --> 0:00:10.200 This he is Talking Cowboys Screaming live on Dallas Cowboys 0:00:10.200 --> 0:00:18.919 dot Com and the official Dallas Cowboys as play No 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:24.400 your hosts, Mickey's Fagnola, Brian brought us, Taylor Stern and 0:00:25.000 --> 0:00:30.040 Rob Phillips. Welcome everyone to another edition of Talking Cowboys. 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:34.839 Always happy to be here, live from the SUBC Mortgage Studio. 0:00:34.920 --> 0:00:37.159 And it is the bye week, but it is the 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:40.400 Dallas Cowboys and there is news to be talked about. 0:00:40.840 --> 0:00:42.680 So before we get to all of that, how are 0:00:42.680 --> 0:00:44.480 you guys doing, Mickey? You look great in your gold? 0:00:44.760 --> 0:00:49.520 Thank you go Tigers was the reason they were showing 0:00:49.560 --> 0:00:53.960 cowboy highlights. Their h Rogers named Offensive Player of the week, 0:00:54.040 --> 0:00:56.800 and yeah, the NFC he was how many times it 0:00:56.920 --> 0:01:01.520 was the Cowboys defense? Now done that twice, girly one 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:04.880 two in a row. Nothing happened in Denver, right, Anderson 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:06.640 and one of those guys didn't get named did they 0:01:06.720 --> 0:01:08.959 had to be proud of Now Anderson might go to 0:01:09.000 --> 0:01:11.840 a Pro Bowl, though he'll be able to highlights we 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:15.600 see exactly, So maybe Brady through for four hundred yards 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:18.679 at point. Yeah, probably, that's a good point. You never know. 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:22.680 These these quarterbacks, they're able to just do magic sometimes 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:25.520 just trying to keep up with the current thanks events, yep, 0:01:25.920 --> 0:01:28.679 I appreciate it, makey because some current events we have 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:32.360 going here. It is now expected that Nolan Carroll will 0:01:32.400 --> 0:01:35.280 be released from the Dallas Cowboys. Of course, he was 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:38.520 a free agent signing for the team in this spring 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:42.200 after they had a lot of defensive guys go with 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:46.119 different contracts things like that. So Nolan Carroll released, It's 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:49.000 nothing has officially been said yet. You know, the salt 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:52.160 expected to be. He was not out at practice when 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:56.280 it was available about an hour ago, so they just 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:59.920 finished what's wrong about him? I was wrong about Nolan Carroll? 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:02.120 Why were you wrong? I felt no, only Carroll could 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:03.840 come in and give you some of the similar play 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:06.760 that you got with Brandon Carr. But did you expect Nolan, 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:09.840 I mean Nolan Carroll to have this injury. No, but 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:12.480 that's still not the he you know, you look at 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:16.880 the Giants game was not an issue the but the 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:20.400 the Denver game was an issue even before he got hurt. Yeah, 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:23.320 and so to me, that's that's bad on my part 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:27.720 to miss evaluate a player that you know, you saw 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:31.160 some things, some traits with him that were better than 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:32.960 what you saw with Carr. I liked this ability to 0:02:33.000 --> 0:02:35.000 fight for the football. I think we saw some of 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:37.920 that in training camp when he battled Dez. I saw 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:40.520 some separation where he was you know, he wasn't as 0:02:40.520 --> 0:02:42.880 good as where he needed to be. I thought Nolan 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:45.080 Carroll would play better for this football team. I can 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:48.080 understand what the scouts saw in him. And you know, 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:49.760 because I saw this a lot of the similar things 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:51.440 on the film. I love the fact that when you 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:53.440 know that he played the Giants, he was very competitive 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:56.040 against Odell Beckham. You know, I felt like, hey, if 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:57.840 you can match up with people in the division. I 0:02:57.880 --> 0:03:00.280 mean I watched all his games that he played against 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:03.880 opponents within the division, and it didn't give me any pause. 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:06.680 Sometimes you watch a guy and then all of a sudden, 0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:10.560 you're guy going, well, he can't help you because and 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:14.000 I was wrong about him, because again he wasn't up 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:17.919 to the task. The injury didn't help. But looking now 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:20.560 at it, though, playing all these young kids, that's fine. 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:22.240 If you want to play a Woozier, you want to 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:25.440 play Lewis and if they in fact do release no 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:27.840 only Carroll, you said he wasn't on the field if 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:30.280 they bring somebody up off the practice squad, or they 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:33.680 signed somebody else, you know, another position, you know, if 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:36.360 it's white, whoever, you know, that's that's fine with me too. 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:38.920 I hear what you're saying, Bran, and I think sometimes 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:41.040 you are a little hard on yourself. No, it's true, 0:03:41.080 --> 0:03:44.200 but it's my job to evaluate these players. And when 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:46.560 you don't do it the correct way, and you paint 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:50.279 a picture to somebody out there, whether it's Talking Cowboys 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:53.560 or or Dallas Cowboys dot Com, you have to be 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:56.320 you know, what you see is what you say. And 0:03:56.320 --> 0:03:58.760 then and I did. I thought, no, only Carroll would 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:02.760 help this football team on the same level with Brandon Carr. 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:05.120 Maybe maybe a little bit better. But he just wasn't. 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:07.800 And if yah, that's the move they make, that's the 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:11.680 move they make. Good points. But did Jordan Lewis, Mickey 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:15.840 rob did? He played better than everyone expected as a rookie, 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:20.040 especially dealing with some hamstring injury in training camp. You know, 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:24.920 I thought now Orland Carroll was a bridge to getting 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:28.200 to the young guys, because now they signed him before 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:30.720 they even had the young guys, right, so they did that. 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:33.480 It kind of covered herself going into the draft that 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:36.000 they didn't have to see looks like Alfred Morris. Boy, 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:39.560 we just need you know, we just need a cornerback. 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:43.160 And then when they drafted all those guys, I said, Okay, 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:46.720 they got a veteran guy. Here's got some experience. That'll 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:50.440 buy time for Woozier, by time for Lewis, maybe by 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:56.400 time for Brown, Marquez White, Anthony Brown, and you know, 0:04:56.560 --> 0:05:01.600 he just he never stood out to me. And then 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:06.159 the young guys got hurt, so it bought him more time. 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:10.200 Right now they're healthy and it's like, well, you know, 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:12.919 they've shown they can play, and if they're gonna play 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:16.760 as well as a veteran guy, then play the young guys. Now. 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:20.400 The downside to all this is it costs some money 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:23.400 against the salary cap. He did pay him some signing bonus. 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:26.480 He can, since he's a vested veteran, take his base 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:30.880 salary for the year, which I assume it's probably close 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:34.599 to a seven seven hundred, six hundred thousand. Yeah, and 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:37.159 he only played how many games won before he got hurt? 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:41.760 Two games. I can't even remember. You got hurt. Hurt 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:44.679 in the second game, so two games. So yeah, so 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:48.200 it becomes an expensive bridge. But you know, if you're 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:50.560 gonna go forward with the young guys, then you know, 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:54.480 go forward. And now you've created a roster spot for 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:58.520 you know what Brian said, possibly Marquez White or maybe 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:02.400 you need something else. Um, maybe they're I don't know 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:05.080 what else they'd be looking for. I think they're in 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:07.760 a position back. Maybe the way Jordan Lewis has played, 0:06:07.760 --> 0:06:09.200 you've got to get him on the field and you 0:06:09.279 --> 0:06:10.880 got to play him a lot of snaps. He's been 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:14.760 arguably their most productive corner the last couple of weeks. 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:17.080 What he's done. The thing that kind of surprised me 0:06:17.080 --> 0:06:19.960 because Mickey mentioned the money involved, is Okay, you'd rather 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:22.760 have been Wickery than Nolan Carroll, A healthy Nolan Carroll. 0:06:22.800 --> 0:06:24.760 That's the decision they made. We haven't seen a lot 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:28.080 from Ben Wickery to say, yeah, really how he's played, 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:32.160 but that's the decision they made. I agree, like, if 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:34.320 these guys had been healthy in camp, this might have 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:39.039 been accelerated. Yeah, you know, I think to me that 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:42.680 if the fact that they kept Ben Wickery over him 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:45.159 tells you what you need to know right there, You 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:46.960 know that they felt like they'd been Wickery if they 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:49.440 had to have a veteran player that they were more 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:51.760 willing to keep him around, and if they want to 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:55.479 play him, then that's where they're gonna go. But I 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:58.120 was flat wrong about Nolan Carroll. I really was. And 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:00.480 that and that's and that's that's the thing. You never 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:02.960 remember the ones you hit. You remember the ones you 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:05.400 were wrong about, you know, thinking what he was. So 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:08.000 it is what it is, and you know, you move on. 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:10.280 Like Mickey says, it costs you money. I think he 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:13.000 was a three year, ten million dollar thing. The guarantees 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:16.040 and stuff like that, so uh yeah, it's never easy 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:18.320 to go that route, but they're going to go that route. Yeah, 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:22.000 I think it was a was a three million dollar guarantee. 0:07:22.120 --> 0:07:25.520 It was. It was Mottle pricing more than I expected, 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:28.520 a little pricing. He had three million guaranteed. And when 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:31.840 you think about Cedric Thornton as well that they let go. Well, 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:33.559 that's what I was just going to get into, Robin, 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:36.640 since it is a bye week show, and yes we 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:38.480 do have some news. We'll get to Shaun Lee at 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:42.000 practice soon, but Rob, I'll start with you first. Now 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:43.720 that we're five weeks in and we're seeing that the 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:47.000 Cowboys are two and three and the deficiencies that we're 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:51.080 seeing on defense, should the Cowboys front office staff re 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:55.880 look at how they approach free agency? You know, they 0:07:56.320 --> 0:07:59.440 in terms of what they approach it very conservatively, you know, 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:02.360 doing these bridge type players. I mean, you just named 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:04.120 a great one and I thought it's such a good 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:06.200 point to bring up Cedric Thornton. You know, a guy 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:08.840 that they really went after the year before, offered him 0:08:08.880 --> 0:08:11.800 a big time contract. Benson Mayowa has been another one 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:14.200 that they've gone after. It was a restricted one. Yeah, yeah, 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:18.560 he maan a great example. I'm sorry when you said 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:21.880 a great one, you meant great example, great example. Sorry, yeah, yeah, 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:23.920 I was hoping you didn't mean a great no. No, 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:26.920 no, no no, good catch, goodt But Rob, I mean, you know, 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:29.400 they let so many of these guys go, and of 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:32.520 course we're seeing them have success at other teams, totally 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:36.240 different personnel, different schemes. But should they re look at this? 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:38.880 And you know, are they relying too heavily on the 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:42.560 draft process? Um? I see, if you talk to Stephen Jones, 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:45.240 what he'll tell you is it's it's he's more a 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:47.920 believer now than ever before that it's a young man's game, 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:49.600 and I think Will McClay has had a lot to 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:51.600 do with that. They try to build through the draft. 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:53.439 Like you said, I think that's the right way to go, 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:56.520 especially when you have a lot of Pro Bowl, all 0:08:56.559 --> 0:08:58.920 Pro type guys that you have to resign. You have 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:01.560 to figure that into account. With Zack Martin, they've got 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:05.360 to eventually pay him. Guys like that, So, yeah, bridge 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:08.560 type players. They're trying to spend their money wisely and 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:11.760 not overpay it. You know, Cedric Thornton wasn't a large contract. 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:14.440 It was about an eighteen million dollar deal a year 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:16.840 or two ago. Well, I think that's a prime example 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:20.200 of why you don't spend well in Yeah, Mayo was 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:22.040 like a nine million dollars. They haven't spent a ton 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:24.920 of money. It's just always risking free agency because there's 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:27.000 always a reason why guys are available on the market. 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:30.320 But they've tried to be smart with it and build 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:32.439 primarily through the draft, and I think that's the way 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:35.600 to do it. It's just not an exact science. And 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:38.280 I think that the Thornton signing to me was really 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:42.000 confusing that it didn't work out, because when you watched 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:45.120 him play against Dallas. He was pretty successful. Yeah, he 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:48.640 was especially stopping the Cowboys running game. He was a 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:51.640 good player in Philly. So you know, I trust this 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:53.880 front office. It's just sometimes these free agent deals don't 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:56.280 always work out. Would you like to spend more money? 0:09:56.320 --> 0:09:58.480 Is that what you're saying? Well, no, I'm just saying, 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:00.640 you know, should they have spent more money with the 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:02.760 guys that they had already had here instead of letting 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:05.319 them go? Now, I know you mean, like keep Terrell 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:09.880 Terrell McClean already had like those types of guys. I'm 0:10:09.920 --> 0:10:12.400 not saying go after the big hot shots on the market. 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:15.600 I'm saying, you know, yes, they had already had Thornton 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:17.640 and McClean was a good guy, and you know, we're 0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:21.360 seeing him what he's doing up with Washington Redskins. But 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:23.040 and they might have said, hey, we're going to pick 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:24.959 him off because we've seen what he's done two times 0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:29.760 a year. Yeah, or keep keep Mark Clayborn or or 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:32.200 Ron Leary. You know that's a huge one. But you 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:34.800 have a budget, you do, and you know it's just 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:37.480 not a matter of going to the store and shopping 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:39.480 and buying what you want. But I think her point 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:42.440 is though, would you you would rather have Terrell McClean 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:45.800 paid as opposed to Cedric Thornton. Well, yeah, after you 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:48.160 found out what Cedric Thornton was. No, but that's what 0:10:48.240 --> 0:10:51.439 you didn't know what Terrell McClean. That's that's the right. Yeah, 0:10:51.520 --> 0:10:54.559 that's that's the evaluation. And I think that she's talking 0:10:54.600 --> 0:10:57.800 about is they seem to have had more success or 0:10:57.840 --> 0:11:00.200 maybe not. They've traded for some guys they traded, you know, 0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:03.240 but you look at David Irvin. You know, you traded 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:06.840 for Bryce Butler, you traded for Matt Castle. Yeah, see, 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:10.360 but that that was out of you had to have, yeah, quarterback. Yeah, 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:13.000 but they seem to have a better look of trading 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:16.040 for a guy and having it work out than they 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:19.720 do having the guy to go out and sign as 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:22.040 that free agent. But you just said that you thought 0:11:22.080 --> 0:11:24.800 that Nolan Carroll could be as good, if not better, than, 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:27.760 Brandon car would you. Yeah, they have kept Brandon Carr. 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:30.200 Would that have been within there? Well? Yeah, that Brandon 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:32.520 cart Bean. Yeah, I mean they could have, they could 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:34.960 have offered him. I mean, to me, I would have. 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:38.360 I thought the guy that played better was was actually 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:40.840 uh Mo Claiborne. You know, if you look at just 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:44.640 who played better. But you know, but but the steadiness 0:11:44.720 --> 0:11:48.720 and the reliability of Car is impressive. There's nothing wrong 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:51.400 with that at all. So I think you bring up 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:53.880 a point though, in terms of when you're scouting these guys, 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:57.800 it's always you know, you're you're you're playing it less risky, 0:11:57.840 --> 0:11:59.520 but just to stick with the guys that you know, 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:03.560 instead of like bringing back at Terrell, McLean, bringing back 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:06.440 a Car or whoever, instead of you kind of taking 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:08.120 a chance on a guy that you've watched on film 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:09.840 but you haven't been around him. You don't really know 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:12.720 for sure if they fit into your scheme until you 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:15.199 really get them here. But like you said, I mean 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:19.400 Thornton was a signing before McLean really broke out, So yeah, 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:22.280 there's a budget involved, and they'd really I like what 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:24.240 they did in the secondary just trying to get young. 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:26.640 Barry Church got a huge contract that they just weren't 0:12:26.679 --> 0:12:28.720 going to I mean some of these guys that resigned 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:33.520 Mo Yeah, I mean they're just there was some salary 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:35.320 there that they just weren't going to match and couldn't 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:37.240 match because they've got to they've got to address other 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:39.720 things well, and absolutely, I mean they did make an 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:42.480 effort to keep Terrence Williams. Obviously he got kind of 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:45.840 a lower Yeah, they both expected. I think they were 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:47.760 preparing for him to leave. I think we all were 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:50.120 preparing for him to maybe get between seven and eight 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:52.800 million dollars. And then all of a sudden, you look 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:56.800 at all that, Mickey, No, then all these receivers, why, 0:12:56.800 --> 0:12:59.280 well they were We know you and you might be right, 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:01.840 because what's happen is what's happened is we saw a 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:04.920 lot of receivers. We saw a lot of receivers get 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:07.080 one year deals. If you look at guys I believe 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:09.120 gar Song got a one year deal, you look at 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:11.760 what happened Prior got a one year deal. So you 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:16.000 had some receivers. Teams just did not want to pay receivers. 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:18.959 And again that's you talk about mis evaluation. That's a 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:22.240 mis evaluation right there. You know they felt like that 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:24.720 that you know, not they we all felt like that 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:26.719 maybe that some of these receivers were going to get 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:31.280 paid and the league didn't pay him overall. Remember Laarn Robinson. Yeah, 0:13:31.320 --> 0:13:35.040 well that was my example. You know, Big Year wound 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:38.720 up getting way overpaid, right and left this team, but 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:41.880 it didn't happen and they got They got Terence back 0:13:41.880 --> 0:13:44.920 on a bargain. Good Brocko Sweller. He might be the 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:49.760 best free agency regency deal out there. Yes, yeah, so 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:52.360 just a thought, you know, just because you look here, 0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:55.240 we're five weeks in the different things that people are 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:57.360 discussing with the d line. I think you bring up 0:13:57.360 --> 0:14:00.640 a good name Mickey and McClane and other guys. You know, 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:03.440 Jack Crawford was a productive guy. He's now out on 0:14:03.559 --> 0:14:06.400 IR for the Falcons. But it was just a big 0:14:06.480 --> 0:14:08.840 year for free agency for the Dallas Cowboys with so 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:11.120 many contracts up. What do you think they played better 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:17.560 run defense last year? Why? Yeah, can you point to 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:24.280 a couple of things? Why did you think it was 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:26.000 because of McClean? Is that where you're no, I'm just 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:29.640 I'm just curious. Think I think Shawn Lee played sixteen games. 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:31.960 We can start right there. That helps. Yeah, you're down 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:37.000 two games with him already. True, Um, you had Hitchens 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:41.600 for sixteen games. Yeah, and you know and don't tell me, Okay, 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:44.200 well Hitchens was there last Okay, that was the first 0:14:44.240 --> 0:14:48.360 time back in what six weeks? Seven weeks? Terrell McLean 0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:50.880 was a good player for him against I think so 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:56.320 uh and the better They kind of looked like Stephen 0:14:56.400 --> 0:14:59.280 Pia was going to be a guy. And then his 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:04.600 knee at up right, he wasn't a sufficient replacement at 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:08.960 the nose tackle spot. Um was the secondary better? I 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:13.000 mean just about tackling linebacker. I mean you talked about 0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:15.800 the two lineback So I'll give you the one that 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:18.960 I think if they were going to spend money on, 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:23.440 and they didn't, it was Bury Church. And from what 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:26.360 I understand, they've been trying to replace Barry Church for 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:30.960 years and you know what, they haven't replaced Barry Church 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:34.600 right now. We'll see what happens going forward here after 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:37.520 this buy. But I think he had a lot to 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:41.480 do with helping in that running game and then the 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:46.760 physicality make yeah, make the combination of not him. Two 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:50.400 of your top linebackers are out. Sure you're playing a 0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:55.920 handicaped linebacker, sure h and a compromise linebacker. Compromise, Yeah, 0:15:55.920 --> 0:16:01.560 handicaps a bad word. Sorry, you know, and you're you 0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:04.720 couldn't get settled up front right with the with the 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:08.720 one technique guy, And here we are, and so one 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:13.360 technique probably been more of a problem than the left guard. Yes, 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:17.800 I think so. I mean the left guard hasn't been perfect, right, 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:23.200 but finding somebody to plug that spot on a consistent basis. 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:26.040 They've been rotating guys in there, you know, and they 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:29.320 had two people, right Cedric Thornton was supposed to be 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:33.080 that guy. Well he wasn't. They get Steven Pie and 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:35.280 it looked like he was that guy, and then the 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:41.880 knee acts up. Now you're down to David David Irving 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:44.400 and maybe that's gonna help, and maybe that's his spot, 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:47.760 you know. I mean, he played awfully well first time out. 0:16:48.320 --> 0:16:50.640 Now we'll see what happens after people say, oh, look 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:53.440 what he did. He I think he gives you a 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:54.960 little bit more as a pass rush. I don't know 0:16:54.960 --> 0:16:57.560 about the run playing ability unless we get some more 0:16:57.840 --> 0:17:01.080 penetration plays, right, or if he could just hold things 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:03.040 up whole thing. That's kind of what you want on 0:17:03.160 --> 0:17:06.640 that spot, right. I don't think MALIEK. Collins has played 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:08.879 as well. I don't think so either. See, that's another 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:11.119 That's one of the ones I was kind of because 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:13.960 I thought that he and I. If you talk about 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:17.240 all the linebackers Burry Church, that's three players. The two 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:21.080 linebackers and Barry Church get it good job. I don't 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:23.359 think the two inside guys have played as well. And 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:27.520 that's what I'm saying when you talk about Terrell McClain 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:30.639 and and then Collins together and what they were doing 0:17:31.680 --> 0:17:33.760 that gave you a pretty good inside right there. Well, 0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:36.639 I mean, how much does that help Malik to have 0:17:36.720 --> 0:17:38.240 that guy next to him? Kind of like when we 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:41.159 talk about Left Guard and how it impacts Travis Frederick. 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:43.720 I mean, or does it help Malik to have Sean 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:46.280 Lee behind you? That that could be that could very 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:48.359 well be it. 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