1 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha. I'm welcome to stuff 2 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: I've never told your protection of I Heart Radio. So 3 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:25,959 Speaker 1: today's date is January nineteen. Yeah, there's some nerves, some 4 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: holding of the breath right now. So yeah, I've been 5 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: watching very closely as some of the protests that was 6 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 1: supposed to happen over the weekend and some is actually 7 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: held up. And there's been some protests from the armed 8 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: groups of people, and it's not just right wing groups 9 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: that look like many groups of people. But in Georgia 10 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 1: there were like a total of five people protesting at 11 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: the capitol, so that was kind of funny. Well, I 12 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: am a very vivid dreamer, as you know. I know 13 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: people hate hearing about dream but I dreamt we were 14 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: trying to record something and there was this like very 15 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: loud whirring sound and it kept interrupting us, and I 16 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: was getting angry and angrier, and I woke up and 17 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:14,119 Speaker 1: there was a helicopter outside my window and it was low. 18 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 1: It was low enough that I thought, is it gonna 19 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: try to freaking land in the street? And it was 20 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: just hovering there, and my heart was racing, racing, racing, racing. 21 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: Eventually it flew away, but it was like hours of 22 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: it just sort of hovering around and I couldn't figure 23 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: out what was going on. But yeah, things are a 24 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,759 Speaker 1: little tense. Yeah, just a little bit, just a little bit, 25 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 1: just a little bit. I didn't want to ask you. 26 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: I know we've discussed several times, like what we wanted 27 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,279 Speaker 1: to be or not wanted to be. What is something 28 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: you wanted to be when you grew up? Oh? No, 29 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: So I am the girl that never really knew what 30 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: to say because I didn't know, not even until in college, 31 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: what I really wanted to do. So when I first 32 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: I was able to speak English, which was I think 33 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: six years old because I had to Korean previously, they 34 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: asked me that question on a local radio station as 35 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: a kindergartener actually, and my answer was to be a 36 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 1: haircutter as an beautician, because my aunt at the time 37 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: I really loved was a hairstylist essentially, and I was like, 38 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: I can do that. And then I grew up understanding 39 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: that I'm not very good at cute see design stuff 40 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 1: in general, so I didn't do that. And then when 41 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: I was growing up, I was like, I'm going to 42 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: be a singer, which by the way I can kind 43 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: of sing, but definitely not a singer. And then I'm like, 44 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: maybe I could be an actress because I'm a great liar. 45 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: I was a really good liar. But now that obviously 46 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: did not happen. None of those things were to come 47 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: to pass, and my acting skills are not as impressive 48 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: as I would love it to be. But yeah, so 49 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: I really had a hard time trying to be anything. 50 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,239 Speaker 1: But so it wasn't until college that I really that 51 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: I cared about people. So I realized I wanted to 52 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: be a social worker. But man, going down that road 53 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: was really hard. What about you? So I went through 54 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: a series of very wild like I want to be 55 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: a storm chaser, I want to be a marine biologist, 56 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:20,239 Speaker 1: the actress, but consistently like those were kind of almost 57 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 1: I would get enamored after I saw a movie or 58 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: something and I wanted to be that thing for a 59 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: brief but really strong couple of months, and they would 60 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:29,639 Speaker 1: move on. But in third grade, we had like what 61 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 1: do you want to be when you grow up? Day? 62 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: And I showed up with a image of the bowl 63 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: of virus and said, I want to be the person 64 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: who cures this virus. And I wanted to be a 65 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: surgeon and doctor, and I like had in my head 66 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: even until like this was from all the way up 67 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: into high school. I was convinced that's what I wanted 68 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: to be, and then I kind of got like turned 69 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: away by my surgeon mentor. But I wanted to bring 70 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: this up today because we were talking about about a 71 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: month ago there was this big kerfuffle around a Wall 72 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: Street Journal editorial in which Joseph Epstein argued very demeaningly 73 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: that Dr Jill Biden should drop the doctor. He wrote, 74 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 1: Madam first lady, Mrs Biden, Jill kiddo, a bit of 75 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 1: advice on what may seem like a small but I 76 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: think is a not unimportant matter. Any chance he might 77 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: drop the doctor before your name, Doctor Jill Biden sounds 78 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: and feels fraudulent, not to say a touch comic. The 79 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 1: whole thing was pretty offensive in a lot of ways. Basically, 80 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 1: he was suggesting only medical professionals should use doctor. I mean, 81 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 1: of course, a lot of people weighed in, including Miriam 82 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: Webster I think would after him at one point, which 83 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: we love to see. And it's definitely that kiddo makes 84 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 1: me want to plunge someone in the face, just put 85 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 1: that out there. But hard to imagine he would have 86 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 1: said that about a man very hard right. And yeah, 87 00:04:56,080 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 1: as you might imagine, the backlash was enormous, as that 88 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 1: should have been. But even so, the Wall Street Journal 89 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: just dismissed it as identity politics and the whole thing 90 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: relatively minor issue. They stood firm and saying they were 91 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: going to keep that opinion because they needed the better discourse, 92 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 1: like they wanted to have an open discussion as off, 93 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 1: like this is not about politics, this is you really 94 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,799 Speaker 1: insulting a woman who went through this level of education 95 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 1: to earn that title as hats. And of course right 96 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: wing personalities agreed with up at peace, the right wing 97 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: personalities meaning sexist misogynists, pigs, yes, and you know, not 98 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 1: all of them weighting, but a lot of big names did, 99 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 1: and they were like a whale, of course. And there's 100 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: actually some relevant research here. One study found that women 101 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 1: with doctorates are substantially less likely to be introduced as 102 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 1: doctors when compared to their male counterparts. It found that 103 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 1: when men introduced other men, they used the title doctor 104 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 1: se of the time, but if they were introducing women, 105 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 1: they only used at two percent of the time. On 106 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 1: top of this, women are far less likely to be 107 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:09,359 Speaker 1: credited in academic papers as compared to men, are not 108 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: paid at the same rate, and rates of academic papers 109 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: submitted by women during the pandemic has gone down by 110 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: about fifty percent. But this is while the reader's submission 111 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 1: for men has gone up by about the same rate. Right, 112 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: And there's also a clear sexist ideal of what a 113 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 1: first lady should be and do, obviously, mainly that she 114 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: should be ornamental, quiet, and look pretty an extension of 115 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 1: her husband as in like she just decorates the tree 116 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: every now and again. Right, And of course Dr Jill 117 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: Biden threatens this whole idea. And uh, she is the 118 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: first first lady, as we talked about before, keeping her 119 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 1: job while in the White House, and we have to 120 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 1: say kudos who also has a very stern stance when 121 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:53,799 Speaker 1: it comes to education. So especially after having um bye bye, 122 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: just to say that to her being a part of 123 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: the administration and ruining what many educators to feel like 124 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 1: should have been happening for support of our United States 125 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: education system. Really excited to see what Dr Biden will 126 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: do since this is actually her forte and bring some 127 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: good things in I also love that they chastise her 128 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: for her education and her degree, while we love that 129 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: Pence calls his wife mother and we're all okay with that, 130 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: right and just to say, like, there is this view 131 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: of what the first ladies should be, like the ornamental view. 132 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean like Michelle obombit died amazing things, 133 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: so like Clinton doesn't do amazing things like but it's 134 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: just this view that that's what you should be. You 135 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: should stay in your lane. Essentially, educators. Yeah, they've also 136 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: spoken out about how this this article demeaned their profession 137 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: and community colleges, which is really classist in a lot 138 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: of ways. Right wingers have called her education doctorate, which 139 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: is an e d dot D instead of a PhD, 140 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: as quote something of a joke in the academic world, 141 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: a degree that quote only deeply unimpressive people feel confers 142 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: the honorific of doctor, like screw you, just get out 143 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: of here. They claim her dissertation is quote barely fit 144 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: for a middle school social studies classroom, and justin f 145 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: y I it's one hundred and thirty seven pages along 146 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: with eighty pages of references, and in appendix um she 147 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: spent thirty years in the field and has two master's degrees, 148 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: and I think she was thirteen years she was working 149 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: on getting this. I haven't read the paper. I'll put 150 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: that out there, but it just feels so sexist and condescending, 151 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: like what what what things to say? Oh and the 152 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 1: all things to actually do an article on it in 153 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: a major newspaper out like, really, this is what you 154 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: want to spend your time on that you want to 155 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: be an ass hat and be condescending as hell. Look 156 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: this is me lessening my carshwords. So after all of this, 157 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 1: there was an outpoor support for women who are doctors 158 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 1: on Twitter and women doctors adding the doctor to their 159 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: Twitter profile just because as they should, as I will 160 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: never allow a guest or anyone on here that has 161 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,079 Speaker 1: are their doctors not be called doctors because I feel 162 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: like you've learned that ship, you are probably wear that 163 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: ship and should be called by that. And Kamala Harris 164 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: and Michelle Obama came to our defense. Of course, Michelle 165 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: Obama wrote quote, right now, we're seeing what also happens 166 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: to so many professional women, whether their titles are doctor, ms, mrs, 167 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: or even first lady. All too often our accomplishments are 168 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 1: met with skepticism, even derision. We're doubted by those who 169 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,079 Speaker 1: choose the weakness of ridicule over the strength of respect, 170 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:37,319 Speaker 1: and yet somehow their words can stick. After decades of work, 171 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: were forced to prove ourselves all over again. Miss her. Yeah, 172 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 1: I mean that's a great quote, and it's part of 173 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: a much larger quote. The whole thing is worth reading. 174 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: So if you want to find that, we thought we'd 175 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: end on it because she could say it better than 176 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: we ever happened. But yeah, we would love to hear 177 00:09:56,160 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: from you listeners. Any doctors in the house is anyone 178 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:02,839 Speaker 1: where we love to hear from all of you. E 179 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: p and emails at Stuff Media and mom Stuff at 180 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,079 Speaker 1: i heeart media dot com. You can find us on 181 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,439 Speaker 1: Twitter at mom Stuff podcast or on Instagram at Stuff 182 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: I've Never Told You. 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