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Speaker 1: Oh really, the wild jake's are having sex with your turkeys,

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Speaker 1: confirmed case of what we would call highly pathogenic avian influenza,

425
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Speaker 1: you know, blue wing teal, I think if I remember right,

426
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 1: and it was like, you know that that stuff kind

427
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 1: of happens. But when the snow geese got back to

428
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 1: South Dakota this year, it was like holy cow, something's changed.

429
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Speaker 1: So I figured I should probably do a duck report

430
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 1: on it, which this wasn't the duck report we had

431
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 1: originally planned to do, but it's it's relevant for sure.

432
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 1: So how how Dr Rami described how the highly pathogenic

433
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Speaker 1: avian influenza works is, typically there's avian influenza in all

434
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 1: wild birds, but it's what they would call low path

435
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,360
Speaker 1: it's you know, not causing symptoms or sickness, any kind

436
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 1: of actual disease. They just kind of all kind of

437
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 1: have a pool of virus as always working through the population.

438
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 1: Every now and then, what happens is avian influenza will

439
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 1: pour over from the wild birds into a domestic bird population,

440
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: but it's not highly pathogenic when it does that. Now,

441
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 1: once it gets into these domestic birds, that's where it

442
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 1: can become highly pathogenic. That's where you get kind of

443
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 1: the you know, the news articles and headlines every so

444
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 1: often of all these poultry and domestic birds getting killed off. Historically,

445
00:26:56,040 --> 00:27:00,199
Speaker 1: what once it becomes highly pathogenic and domestic population, it

446
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 1: just stays in domestic populations until it never really worked

447
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: its way back into wild birds. And during that outbreak

448
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 1: in North America, we had our first positive North American

449
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: wild bird cases and they had ninety eight of them.

450
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: This outbreak puts that to shame. It's not like anything

451
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 1: we've ever had before. It is uncharted waters for sure.

452
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: For example, this outbreak, we have over forty species that

453
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: have been infected. The positive tests are in the thousands,

454
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 1: but frankly like they've kind of quit testing all the reports.

455
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: For example, South Dakota is right now sitting at I

456
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: think forty eight positive tests, but I've on one rocky

457
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 1: bank on the side of a lake counted like forty

458
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: three dead birds myself. So it's hard to know. You know,

459
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: wild birds are hard. You can't really quantifying year as

460
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: easily because they die all over the place and they're

461
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: all spread out. They're not concentrated. But it's running through

462
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 1: the wild population and it's pretty intense. Are they are?

463
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: Is there any way that folks can Are they worried

464
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Speaker 1: about it moving to folks the way that you know,

465
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: I mean, the same way that that COVID nineteen right

466
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: jump from an animal host to a human host. Is

467
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 1: that a concern? Yeah? It is. There has been times

468
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 1: since two thousand three where bird flu does jump into humans.

469
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Speaker 1: Um I think there's it's around eight hundred sixty human

470
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:45,239
Speaker 1: infections and half of those are fatal. So like, if

471
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: it does jump the kind of animal human species barrier,

472
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,959
Speaker 1: it can be real bad news. So they're definitely worried

473
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: about it now. You know, typically you have to have

474
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Speaker 1: a lot of exposure to the virus to see it

475
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: umped that barrier. Um you know, when it has jumped

476
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: the barrier in the past, it's domestic, right, it's poultry.

477
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: But the U s d A does have a bunch

478
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Speaker 1: of recommendations out on how to handle wild birds and

479
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: kind of how to proceed with this going through. There's

480
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: two reasons for that, one being they don't want you

481
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,959
Speaker 1: to transfer it to other bird populations and also they

482
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: don't want you to go get sick. So they are

483
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: they talking about wild birds you just final laying around

484
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: dead in your yard or they mean like wild birds

485
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: that you get when you're all hunting. Both, Yeah, just

486
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: wild birds in general. You shouldn't be eating or drinking

487
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: when you're in contact with them. You shouldn't have the

488
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: carcasses around other birds. Use dedicated tools for cleaning those birds,

489
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: and make sure they don't get near poultry or your pets.

490
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: Are you supposed to put on like an ninety five masks?

491
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: I didn't see anything like that, just when you finally

492
00:29:55,640 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 1: got the burn all your damn masks. Like, what I

493
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 1: want to do is make a big quilt hold on, Sean.

494
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: You can't be like breathing too much around them, but

495
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: you can still eat them. Yeah, that's that's what I'm

496
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: gonna Because they're talking about having a dedicated pair of

497
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: shoes that you wear while cleaning birds and eat the bird.

498
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: Then what have that? A dedicated like you know, jacket,

499
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: dedicated kitchen for cooking the birds, So presumably you're cooking

500
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: it out of the meat Sean, Yes, and yeah, you

501
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: know they recommend you cook it too hundred sixty degrees,

502
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: which is hard to fathom eating snow goose has been

503
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: cooked that that long. But the shoes thing is about

504
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 1: the feces, right, That's where a lot of bread comes from,

505
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: is fecal matter. And what's this that about? What's this

506
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: where the Minnesota Border Animal Health banned exhibitions of poultry? Yeah,

507
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: what is an exhibition of poultry? Well, they mean like

508
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: even stuff like fairs or sale barns or stuff like that.

509
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: But they all, yes, yeah, and there's a lot of

510
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: states doing it. Even up until you know, April fifteen,

511
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: they were hoping that the Pacific Flyway was in the clear.

512
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: But now it's like Idaho and Utah and Wyoming, everything's

513
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: getting it. It's it's pretty much everywhere. It's rampant at

514
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: this point. So they're trying to keep domestic populations from

515
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: moving around too much and being you know, sold and moved,

516
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: keep your honest as turkeys from having sex with the

517
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: wild ones. Yeah, he's really Yehan, he's rethinking now having

518
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: his turkeys and chickens walking around on his kitchen count. So, Sean,

519
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: when I you know, when I said that, when I

520
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: was teeing this up, I said tens of thousands of

521
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: duck deaths. And I was only saying that because of

522
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: seeing pictures on social media and other places where it's

523
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: like pictures of shorelines covered in dead ducks. But my

524
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 1: number was probably my numbers probably exaggerated, right, Like, it's

525
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: probably not what I'm what I was saying, Well, I

526
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: don't know, because you just can't really get a tab

527
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: on how many wild birds are dying from it. You know,

528
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: I personally have seen hundreds of dead birds um scattered

529
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: around our local lakes here. You know, they had a

530
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: lake in Illinois that had two hundred some dead birds. Okay,

531
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Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot of birds out there that

532
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: no one's counted up right exactly. You know, they just

533
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: they don't have the personnel to go test and sample

534
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: all these birds. And then when you get what when

535
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: there is an avian influenza outbreak, how long does it?

536
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: How long does it play out? Do you believe that

537
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: this will still be a conversation people are having next

538
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: you know, when duck seasons start a start back up

539
00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: next October or will it have run its course by then? Yeah,

540
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: I don't know. The outbreak was seven months. Um, you know,

541
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: we're three months into this one, but really it didn't

542
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: get going until un till March. So yeah, it's hard.

543
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: It's hard to know. Definitely, the spring migration was kind

544
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: of how this spread so quickly because it timed out

545
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: perfect where right as it entered the North American population

546
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: was right as the spring migration was starting, So it's

547
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: perfect storm of timing versus outbreak was over the winter,

548
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: so it was so spring migration just meaning that there's

549
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: a lot of birds on the move, carrying and passing

550
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: along to other populations of birds. Yes, yep, Hey Sean,

551
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: is there anything that you can, you know, observe behaviorally

552
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: or in physical appearance to tell whether a bird's got influenza?

553
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, yeah, definitely. One of the symptoms I've seen

554
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: a lot um around here is like a bobbing head.

555
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: They'll kind of be sitting there and just almost like

556
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 1: someone nodding off on a warm day. They're just their

557
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: head is sitting there, flopping side to side, or they'll

558
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: be flapping their wings real goofy and slow. Definitely seeing

559
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: a lot of them just not scared of people. They

560
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: just sit there right in front of you and don't

561
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: don't move as far as you know. Anytime you see

562
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 1: that or dead birds in general. The one thing that

563
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: Dr Amy had said is like, please report it, whether

564
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: it's too if you're on private land, like to the

565
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: person that owns or manages the land, if you're on

566
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: public to whatever agency it would be, because most places

567
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: have a protocol for how they're supposed to handle that,

568
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 1: whether it's you know, through the U. S d A,

569
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: or Fish and Wildlife Service, whatever it may be. UM

570
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:04,280
Speaker 1: and the other thing is there now recommending takedown bird feeders,

571
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: which makes a lot of sense. Yeah, talking to everybody

572
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: on my block through the war on bird because all

573
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:15,720
Speaker 1: the time, man, uh, do you think Sean, is anybody

574
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: guessing that this could have population level impacts on waterfall

575
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: species or is it too early to say? Yeah, they're

576
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: hoping not. It's too early to say, but they definitely

577
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: are paying more attension to it now than they've ever

578
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: had to before. You know, before it was a purely

579
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: domestic poultry problem, and now you're really seeing easy to

580
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 1: observe wild bird impacts. So they're they're worried, but not

581
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: to the point of maybe like you would be with

582
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: c w D. Got you well, I mean, we'll keep

583
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: us posted. Yeah, what's your next duct report on? I

584
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,399
Speaker 1: think I'll now finally get to the the GPS tracking one,

585
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: the odometer one. Oh, like how many miles the duck

586
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: puts on? Mm hmmm yeap oh man, that's kind of

587
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: a Now you got me all worried about ducks. Well,

588
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think wild turkeys jumping jumping

589
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: in and hanging out with Janice's pet turkeys then walking

590
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 1: around in the kitchen's probably not ideal, Sean, are you

591
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: recommending that that just take out the whole flock, domestic

592
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: and wild. At this point you need to not don't

593
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 1: whatever you do, don't exhibit them. Yeah, don't take them

594
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: to the fair. No exhibitions, thanks man. Yep, all right,

595
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,479
Speaker 1: so you ready, Cam, you don't want to talk about

596
00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: turkeys to everybody about tell everybody about and do her?

597
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: Man like what what led to? What led to it

598
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: was people saying like, yeah, I'd write a book someday.

599
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 1: Uh not really, I don't know. I mean I think, uh,

600
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: Jim Shocky has a um person. He's worked with Greg

601
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: Gusts Show, and he knew this book agent, I'm pretty

602
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,280
Speaker 1: sure the book agent that Jim and Eva had used before.

603
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: And they've been trying to get ahold of me. And

604
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: I usually never call back anybody, and so anyway, this one,

605
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: it's just like a little rulier this. I don't know why.

606
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: I just like, I'm not good with any business. And

607
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: uh so finally I talked to this book agent esther,

608
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 1: and she was super fired up, and it's just like you,

609
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: I think you should do this, this would be huge

610
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: this and that, and I was like whatever, I mean,

611
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: I don't, I'm good if I don't, good if I do,

612
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: not that big a deal. And so then we said

613
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 1: we'll see what the publishers think, and so then everybody's

614
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: fired up. So we just did it. And but you

615
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: had to do like you had to start collecting your thoughts. Yeah,

616
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 1: um yeah, I mean it's it's mostly just uh, the

617
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 1: book I think in general shares um. It doesn't matter

618
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 1: how you come up, what your upbringing is. If you

619
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 1: follow your passion, whatever that is, you can have whatever

620
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: success you dream of, essentially, and so it's it's that's

621
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: the story. And I thought that might be useful to

622
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: share to two have other people, maybe impact other people.

623
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: So I thought, okay, let's do it if you had to.

624
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 1: If you're gonna take that line of thinking and look

625
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 1: at your own, um, your own upbringing and decisions you

626
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: may have when you're young, do you look at Are

627
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 1: you like surprised you landed where you are? Oh? Yeah, yeah, no,

628
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: I mean that's I had no you know. I what

629
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: I say is I'd never let anybody down because nobody

630
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: expected anything of me. So it's not like I'm like,

631
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: oh you you let me down or you had all

632
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: this uh you know, you tell like I tell my kids,

633
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 1: you got so much potential. Nobody ever said I had

634
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: potential to do anything, you know, So, um, I wasn't

635
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: not living up to it. So yeah, I mean I

636
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: I figured what I did coming out of high school,

637
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: tried to play football. Um, wasn't really that into. I

638
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 1: went to school on and off for a few years

639
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: after high school. But then I thought, well, I'll get

640
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 1: a job setting chokers. And it's like back home, that's

641
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: what people did. You worked in the woods, and I

642
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 1: liked being in the woods stokers. Yeah. It's just you know,

643
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,479
Speaker 1: were working on a logging site. So guys go down

644
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: there off the landing, they set chokers on the on

645
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 1: the logs, and the followers come in. They follow the

646
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 1: trees and then you set a choker on. It gets

647
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 1: drug up to the landing and and cleaned up and

648
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 1: then it's like half inch three quarter inch cable. Yeah. Yeah,

649
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:54,240
Speaker 1: you're just dragging it around. It's usually pretty steep country

650
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 1: because that's timber country. And back home, that paid pretty good.

651
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: I mean it started like thirteen bucks hour, So I'm like, god,

652
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: I could you know thirteen bucks an hour? I'm good

653
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 1: to go. That'd be awesome. And so I thought I

654
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: was gonna get a job logging, and the same day

655
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: I was offered the job logging for s A logging was. Um,

656
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: I got this job at uh just the City of Eugene,

657
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 1: working summer help and just working picking up dead animals.

658
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: Basically they got hit. They people would call in a

659
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: dead dog or a possum or something deer got hit

660
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,399
Speaker 1: and I'd go pick it up. And if I wasn't

661
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 1: doing that, I'd weedied along the bike path. And so

662
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, you know, working for the city, that's

663
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: always a good, good career. So that's what I was

664
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: gonna do. It's safe, right, secure, you know, it's like

665
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 1: people like me that was like, this is as good

666
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,919
Speaker 1: as it's going to get. So that was my goal.

667
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 1: So if you'd go on path at least resistance, that

668
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 1: was where you would wound up. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah,

669
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 1: I guess. So, I mean, but you like, well, I

670
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: want to get a smart stuff. But this is jumping

671
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 1: ahead a little bit. But you for you've at this

672
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: point established like well, you have a very established career

673
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: um as a bow hunter, as an endurance athlete, like

674
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: you're like a well known figure. You do a lot

675
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 1: of media projects, right, you have a lot of sponsorships

676
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: with people. But you kept you kept a regular job

677
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: for a long time. I still have it. You still

678
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:28,399
Speaker 1: have the regular job. I'm I'm superintendent at the Water

679
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: and Power company, So you still have your day job.

680
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 1: I knew you did, but I didn't know you still did. No, Yeah,

681
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: I used what are you waiting for PTO today to

682
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: come here? That's funny because I think if you type

683
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,479
Speaker 1: in like I'm trying to think what the Google search

684
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: would have to start with, but it will auto Phil

685
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: Does cam Haynes still have a real job because because

686
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: people are always wondering, like if every time I hear that,

687
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: I get surprised all over again. Yeah I do. I

688
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: go to work every day except today. I use vacation seriously.

689
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: Yeah to me, um hunting, Like I said, I'm I'm

690
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: not good at business. I don't care about business. Um,

691
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: I have value, so I'm I'm not stupid, so I

692
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: take advantage of the value I have. But hunting to

693
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 1: me means more than any business. So if I don't

694
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 1: have to rely on it, I can just tell whoever

695
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: I want I'm not doing that, and you're not telling

696
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,879
Speaker 1: me how I'm gonna hunt what I'm where, I'm gonna hunt,

697
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do. I'll do what I want because

698
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: if it all goes away, I have this job. Yeah.

699
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: But here's what one of the things that surprises me

700
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: is like you do a lot of races and stuff,

701
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: and these are time consuming things, and the training is

702
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: time consuming. Yeah, the training is hard. Yeah. Yeah. So

703
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I I don't get much sleep. I get up,

704
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: um to train for a two mile race. I want

705
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: to run a marathon a day. I want to be

706
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: able to do that for know, weeks at a time

707
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 1: and get in those miles. To do that, I have

708
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: to get up before work. I'll try to get in

709
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: at least ten or thirteen in the morning, run at lunch,

710
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: and then whatever the balance is to get that twenty

711
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 1: six after work. And so I'll just I work it around, um,

712
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: basically in my life. And you know, I still want

713
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: to hang out with the family in the evening, so

714
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: I do that, they go to bed, then I'll get

715
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 1: those miles in, or I get up early before work

716
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: and get those miles in. So the found you know,

717
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: I'm still away from work all day, but I still

718
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: eat dinner and watch a little TV and then go

719
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: back to training. What's time to get up in the morning.

720
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: It depends on what my goal is. I mean if

721
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: some sometimes I want to do a marathon before work,

722
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:48,839
Speaker 1: and if I do that, that will be like two

723
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: or two or two thirty and then I have to

724
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:57,879
Speaker 1: be at work at seven. Jeez, Yeah it's not I mean,

725
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 1: I don't instead of calling that book and I call

726
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: it bout tired. Yeah, that would be a good name.

727
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: But what are you worried about? I want to get

728
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: back into your biography. Are you worried like with all

729
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: the emerging with all the emerging research about like long

730
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: term effects of like chronic sleep, chronic lack of sleep,

731
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: you can worry. No, No, I mean people say that

732
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,439
Speaker 1: about knees and about you know. What I would say

733
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 1: is tomorrow is not guaranteed. So why would I be

734
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: worried about if I'm sixties, seventy or eighty years old

735
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: when I might be dead tomorrow. How old are you

736
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: and how long have you been doing this kind of regimen? Um?

737
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: I ran my first marathon when I was thirty two,

738
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: so I plenty of yeah, decades. Yeah, do you see

739
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: or do you not even think this way? Like, do

740
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: you see like that lifestyle coming to an end at

741
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: some point? Are you just gonna keep going until you

742
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: drop dead? I mean, I'll keep going. I don't. I

743
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:05,399
Speaker 1: feel I just did uh a mountain marathon. I got

744
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 1: fourth Um, So I mean I'm not I'm banged up

745
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: just because I'm old and they've got a lot of miles.

746
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 1: But I still feel pretty good. Yeah, it's and it's

747
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 1: something you enjoy and you just want to keep doing it.

748
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: It's I like pushing myself. I mean, I like, I

749
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: don't feel running for me has been a way for

750
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: me to say, uh, just to just I'm putting in

751
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: work and so I feel like I can't be in

752
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: the mountains every day. I can't hunt every day. I

753
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: count scout every day, but I can put in work

754
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 1: every day, and I feel like running is like I

755
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 1: can go to bed no one, Okay, I did, I did.

756
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 1: I moved the needle in the right direction today. So

757
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: that's that's what running does. I want to back up

758
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: from it, though, Uh, at what age did you start hunting?

759
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: And at what ages you start bowl hunting? Um? I

760
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: started hunting up fifteen. I killed my first deer, a

761
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: spike mule deer when I was fifteen, with a rifle,

762
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:04,240
Speaker 1: and my stepdad got me into it. I didn't. I didn't.

763
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: We didn't get along because he wasn't my dad never

764
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 1: really liked him. Um he's still around. Yeah, he's still around. Yeah,

765
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: and he wants to cut that part out. But no, no,

766
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: no, no no, he's that's hey. I talked about it in

767
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,919
Speaker 1: the book. I mean I hated him. It's just nothing

768
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: he could have done about it because it wasn't your dad.

769
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: That's pretty much. He wasn't My dad was all it took.

770
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: And then it was like then, you know, he had

771
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 1: a hard job too, so he would come home. He

772
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: was a roller operator um on the construction, you know,

773
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:40,720
Speaker 1: and hot, miserable work. It comes home. Here's this kid

774
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 1: who doesn't like him, so I'd always have it. It

775
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: wasn't a great situation. So but and I give him

776
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 1: a lot of credit because he did take me hunting,

777
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 1: even though I'm sure he didn't want to. It took

778
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: me and my brother hunting, and that kind of started it.

779
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 1: And I killed the spike buck and then I you know,

780
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: team I'm like, hey, I got some positive feedback that

781
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: I killed a buck. And it's like, as a kid,

782
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 1: that feels good to get some you know. And I

783
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 1: was like, man, this is I like this. I like,

784
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, I like kind of like the challenge

785
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,439
Speaker 1: of it. It seemed it was hard, but I got

786
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: it done. I got positive affirmation. So then that just

787
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 1: kind of progressed. And then my buddy Roy got me.

788
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 1: You know, I was eighteen, I think, and he he

789
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 1: was year ahead of me in school. He was nineteen.

790
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: He was he had a trap line and all this.

791
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 1: He was like always known in our little school. Was like,

792
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 1: it's like the authority on hunting because he just I

793
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: was always out there trapping and doing things. And so

794
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: he said, hey, we played football together and we weren't

795
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: best friends, and uh he said you need to start

796
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 1: bow hunting. And he goes, there's way less people, way

797
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 1: more animals. It's awesome. And I'm like, oh, that sounds

798
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: that sounds sweet. So I started bow hunting and then, um,

799
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:58,280
Speaker 1: I have never rifle hunted since. Is that right? Really?

800
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 1: That was it the ages that that was twenty by

801
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 1: the time I bought my first bow tag. So you

802
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 1: felt like it was a thing you had to be

803
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: that you're just gonna that's it, You're gonna hunt with

804
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 1: the bow. That was Yeah, I just didn't have I

805
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: don't know why I didn't have any interest in rifle.

806
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 1: I still went with people. I still took my little brother.

807
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: I have a little brothers ten years younger than me,

808
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: Like his first three deer, I took him and he

809
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,959
Speaker 1: killed with the rifle. Um, you know my kids, they've

810
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: all rifle hunted. I just it's I've always just been

811
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: a bow hunter. And it's like I go on a

812
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 1: lot of hunts where it's any weapon and uh, you

813
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 1: know the most high pressure one that most people kind

814
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: of falter on if they say they're bow hunters, but

815
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 1: then it's a sheep hunt. Um, it's like, you know,

816
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: that's it's bow or nothing. I'll eat the tag. So

817
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: it's just that's what I doline. What do you think

818
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: it is about bow hunt? Because I think that there's

819
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 1: you're obviously not the only one that sort of identifies

820
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 1: that way, And he was playing a people that do

821
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 1: a lot of both, me included. You know, I like

822
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: to mix it up. And when his rifle season, I

823
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 1: hunt with the boat with a rifle. But I mean,

824
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: do you have any like thoughts on like what is

825
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 1: it about like the bow hunting that really just hooks

826
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 1: people where they're like, yeah, I don't even have an

827
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 1: interest to go hunt with a rifle anymore. Um man,

828
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I'm I've always once I started,

829
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 1: it was just like and then Roy was the same

830
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: way who got me started? You know, he's not talked

831
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,359
Speaker 1: about him in the book. He died in He Fell

832
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 1: sheep hunting and uh, we're just bow hunters. That was it.

833
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,839
Speaker 1: I mean people now they'll they'll meet me that might

834
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 1: not know me, and it's like, so you're the bow

835
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: hunter and it's like that's all I ever wanted to

836
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: be mm hms it. I mean, how many animals have

837
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 1: you killed with a rifle? Like before you started, be

838
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: like three or four deer? That's aft to when I

839
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: started bow hunting. Because I couldn't afford elk tags or

840
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:03,439
Speaker 1: twenty bucks, so a deer tag was I think nine

841
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 1: fifty or ten fifty, so I could get a blacktail

842
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: deer tag, but the elk tags were too much, So

843
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:11,800
Speaker 1: I just deer hunt and I killed I killed a

844
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: buck every year. Did you what was the what was

845
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: the first ball? You were shooting? A Golden Eagles super

846
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 1: Hawk turbocam from He didn't come in on re curves

847
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 1: and stuff. No, Bohner's Discount warehouse. Yeah. Have you ever

848
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 1: thought about tipping back into traditional archery? Um? No, I

849
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: mean I messed around with him, but Roy actually he

850
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 1: went back. He had target panic so bad with his compound.

851
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: Is that the best hunter I've ever been around, best

852
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: woodman's woodsman I've ever been around. But he had target

853
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 1: panics so bad. He went to recurve and he he

854
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 1: said he didn't think it was that much of a disadvantage.

855
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 1: He said, it seemed it's easier in some ways because

856
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 1: it's like more instinct and you don't have to think,

857
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: you don't have to level up and full drop, you know,

858
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 1: anchor the same every time, and you know, kiss her

859
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: button and all this. You just shoot and he killed

860
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:08,839
Speaker 1: never nothing, never changed. His success stayed exactly the same.

861
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 1: He killed no matter what. And I'd always say he

862
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 1: could if you said, hey, you got to use this

863
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: to go kill, you know. He moved to Alaska about

864
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: uh in ninety three, I think, And I said he

865
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: could go and get it done with whatever you told

866
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 1: him the weapon was. You're holding the pen, yeah, holding

867
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: the pin. Yeah, I mean it wouldn't matter. He's just

868
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: would figure out a way to get it done. Uh,

869
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 1: he's the guy that he he fell she putting what

870
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: was the what were the circumstances there? Um, So there's

871
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: this mountain range well right out of was Sola, which

872
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: is where he lived. His wife still lives. But you

873
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 1: can see Pioneer Peak and it's so that's the that's

874
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,240
Speaker 1: the tag. It's it's it's a cluting a lake tag.

875
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: And I put in four in two thousand and eight

876
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 1: because as a non resident, if you go for the

877
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: late hunt, which is October one to the tenth, it's

878
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 1: a terrible hunt. But sheep hunting, I've never I've never

879
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: sheep hunted. So he said, hey, put it for this

880
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 1: tag you have chance of getting is a nonresident. So

881
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,879
Speaker 1: I put in one time, got it and he goes,

882
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: it's it's hard, it's dangerous, it's you don't know what

883
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 1: the weather is gonna be. We might still have the

884
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 1: guiding requirement though. Yeah, he was. He got signed off.

885
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 1: He was an assistant guide and he could guide me

886
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 1: you could hang out to go. So we went on

887
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: that hunt two thousand and eight and I killed a

888
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 1: ram and the hunt says any sheep, and uh so

889
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: I killed just like probably a four and a half

890
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 1: year old ram. Wasn't anything. It's my first sheep. So

891
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 1: that is the same hunt he drew into and he'd

892
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 1: killed nine dollar sheep with his boo. So he but

893
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: he killed rams up there too. He knew. He was like,

894
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 1: I said, we've we've done that hunt. We've been in

895
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 1: country like that a lot. But he was up there

896
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 1: sheep hunting and um just had done the stock. He

897
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: actually missed this ram and he was going to head

898
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: back up the hill to find a camp on spot.

899
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: A little flash bought up maybe towards the top of

900
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 1: the ridge, and something happened. A rock rolled or he

901
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: stepped back and fell off and seven feet and died. Man.

902
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 1: So then all of a sudden, you just get a

903
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 1: call one day his we changed subject. Yeah, No, I

904
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 1: was in Colorado deer hunting and uh my wife called

905
00:53:51,800 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 1: m and said, uh, you know, Roy had an accident,

906
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:04,399
Speaker 1: called Jill. So I said, okay, So I called jail

907
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 1: and I said, hey, what's up? And she just said

908
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: Roy's not coming home. He fell mm hm oh man.

909
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 1: So yeah, um, but so it's hard just because uh

910
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 1: it's it's hard every time I talked about it. But um,

911
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: we came up together high school, same you know, kids

912
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: in our class. He was like making this name for

913
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 1: himself and Alaska just just just a stud and it's

914
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 1: finally all happening, and I got you and it was

915
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: I imagine too. Man. The fact that it was like that,

916
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,240
Speaker 1: what it was like hunting that held you guys together,

917
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 1: and then to have that be the thing that ends

918
00:54:56,760 --> 00:55:02,359
Speaker 1: up taking his life is just a whole different experience, right. Yeah.

919
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 1: I mean, we knew what we love to do. We

920
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 1: always wanted the biggest adventure. We knew there's risks, just

921
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 1: we knew that was always it was always there. But

922
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:26,800
Speaker 1: we loved going for the biggest, most epic trips, the

923
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 1: biggest the brown bear, grizzly bear, doll sheep. Uh, we

924
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 1: love Kodiak, Prince of Wales, we killed you know, we

925
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 1: did Big black Bear there all the time. We just

926
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 1: loved I mean I I hunted Alaska probably thirty times

927
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 1: with them because we just loved that adventure. And uh,

928
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 1: you know, We're not dumb. We know that ship happens.

929
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 1: People die all the time, especially up there, and that

930
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:57,720
Speaker 1: I know just from I read a lot and uh

931
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 1: mostly adventure and hunting. But anybody who's spends a lot

932
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:06,839
Speaker 1: of time in the mountains, a lot of them die.

933
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:11,439
Speaker 1: I mean in that that country, a lot of them die.

934
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:17,879
Speaker 1: You can't have big adventure and no risk. Yeah, so

935
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 1: uh yeah, it was just hard because Roy was he

936
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 1: was he was the only one. You know, people talk

937
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 1: about haters and you know, you kill I kill a

938
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 1: spike bowl and people are saying, oh I heard he

939
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 1: shot at the rifle, I kill a five point Oh

940
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 1: I heard he shot at the crossbow. Roy is the

941
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 1: only one who always believed in me. So when he died,

942
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 1: I was like, fuck sucked. Mm hmm. Was he on

943
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:51,439
Speaker 1: your mind a lot working on this book, Yeah, because

944
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 1: it gets because it has a lot of personal history

945
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 1: in it. Yeah. I mean I wouldn't I wouldn't be here,

946
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be talking to you if it wasn't for Roy.

947
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 1: He's starting with Bohun. When you're going for like the

948
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:13,919
Speaker 1: biggest adventure or the biggest what what do you hope

949
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 1: to like experience in that experience, like what is what

950
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: is that? What are you reaching for in that um challenge?

951
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 1: Just that being on the edge and you don't know,

952
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 1: you don't know what's gonna happen. And you know his

953
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 1: last year we hunted together. We went out and in

954
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 1: this one area I went up in July. Actually, you

955
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 1: can start killing brown bear and uh in this area

956
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 1: there's so many brown bear there hammering the moose and

957
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 1: you can kill two brown bear and uh three black bear.

958
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 1: And so I'm like Roy was working for Jonah Stewart

959
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 1: at that time. Called Jonah and I said can I said,

960
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 1: did I do I read this right? You can kill

961
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 1: two brown bear? He's like, yeah, I said, in three

962
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 1: black bear? He said yeah. I said, well, I said,

963
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 1: can I can I get to brown bear? What do

964
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: I have to pay to get too? Brown bear opportunities?

965
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: And so we went up there and it's like the

966
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: first one stalked in and uh, this this boar was

967
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 1: kind of in the it's along the water there. So

968
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 1: he was laying down and I got in un soil

969
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 1: creek bed. The window was good and I got forty

970
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 1: yards from him and he got up and he's looking

971
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 1: at me and that's what we live for. Forty yards

972
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 1: and what's gonna what are you gonna do? Can you

973
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 1: make that shot? So I pulled back, you know, frontal

974
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,919
Speaker 1: just pin wheeled him. Couldn't have been it was maybe

975
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 1: an inch to the right, but smoked him. That's what

976
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 1: we live for. Do you do you think that's something

977
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 1: like you always had in you or did you find

978
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 1: that through the craving for that through hunting? Um, I

979
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 1: don't know if you really know you have it, if

980
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 1: you have it until you actually started getting those challenges. So,

981
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 1: like I said, I didn't have I was hunting blacktailed deer,

982
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 1: you know. I walked from my house and up into

983
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 1: the Logan country and then then we started. We went

984
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 1: to the Three Sisters Wilderness and couldn't find Elk, and

985
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 1: so I said, hey, I think my my uncle had

986
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 1: been to the Eagle Cap Wilderns before, which is over

987
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 1: against largest wilderness, me and Rover and there, And I said,

988
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 1: I think my uncle had been there before. They may

989
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 1: be hunted back in there. And we couldn't find Elk

990
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 1: and the Three Sisters which is Cascades, and so I

991
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 1: called him and I said, I said, hey, do you

992
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 1: know any place to elk hunt in the Eagle Cap

993
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 1: and he said, uh, he said, yeah, he goes. You

994
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 1: go to this up this road the firewatch tower. You

995
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 1: go up there's this tree and I was just like,

996
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 1: I didn't know. So we get up there and we're

997
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 1: just like what this is a thirty thirty miles by

998
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 1: sixty mile wilderness and we're looked up here and by

999
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 1: this tree and we're just like so, no, not a

1000
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 1: map one, but anyway that so then we're like, well,

1001
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 1: that got to start to start in the wilderness. So

1002
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 1: then it's like, so we looked at the map of

1003
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 1: the wilderness, like how can we get as far away

1004
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 1: from anybody as possible? So you go to the middle

1005
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: of wilderness boom right there. And so that's where we

1006
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 1: wanted to go, the biggest adventure in our little I mean,

1007
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 1: that was an eight hour drive for us. We didn't

1008
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 1: have gas money where I had to sell a thirty thirty.

1009
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 1: His grandpa gave him to get gas money to go

1010
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 1: over there. But we were living and that so at

1011
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 1: that time that was it. And then it was like,

1012
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 1: well he moved to Alaska and it's like cool, Now

1013
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 1: what could we do? Oh, Kody akaio and that's that's

1014
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 1: pretty crazy. Get dropped off on Kodiak in November and

1015
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 1: hunt deer and how much this you know, deer tax

1016
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 1: on d sixty eight bucks and we could do this

1017
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 1: and that. So then it just progresses and then all

1018
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you're hunting brown bear. So I don't

1019
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 1: know if it's I don't know if it was in me.

1020
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 1: It took took time to find out. How did you, uh,

1021
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 1: what was your initial introduction to like the endurance world,

1022
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 1: I mean not not haunting based stuff, but like just

1023
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 1: competitive right. I didn't really have any I mean, I

1024
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 1: you know, I did. I do the ten k back

1025
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:34,479
Speaker 1: home the Beauty to beaut and Eugene every fourth of July.

1026
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 1: And so then I did a half marathon out in Coburg,

1027
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 1: which is the town outside of Eugene, and uh, that

1028
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 1: seemed like a long thirteen point one miles and I

1029
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 1: was like, God, I wonder if I could do a marathon.

1030
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 1: So on two thousand two or three, I ran in

1031
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 1: along the Columbia River there Hood the Dallas to Hood

1032
01:01:56,280 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 1: River was the Gorge Marathon, and I got third and

1033
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, you know, the Eagle Cap is thirty miles.

1034
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 1: By sixty miles, Roy had moved to Alaska, so I

1035
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 1: was hunting by myself. If I could talk somebody and

1036
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 1: to go, and they would go one time and they're

1037
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 1: like this sucks, I'm not going back, so I would

1038
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:20,959
Speaker 1: be by myself. But I'm like, man, if I could run,

1039
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 1: if I can run twenty six miles, I can get

1040
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 1: out of the wilderness and a couple of hours if

1041
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:30,959
Speaker 1: I have to. So then that huge wilderness didn't seem

1042
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:34,920
Speaker 1: that big, and then that progress progressed up. My first

1043
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 1: fifty k in two thousand five, and I was running

1044
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 1: this fifty k and I'm like, god, this is crazy it.

1045
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:43,960
Speaker 1: You know, it's thirty miles in the mountains and nobody

1046
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 1: ever does this. And I see these runners coming up

1047
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 1: coming there. I'm getting about a mile from the finish.

1048
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:51,240
Speaker 1: They're running back towards me. And I get to the finish,

1049
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:55,720
Speaker 1: I'm exhausted, you know, hurt. And I said, I said,

1050
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 1: I saw these guys, these four guys running back back

1051
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 1: up the trail. And they said, oh yeah, they're getting

1052
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 1: ready for Western States. And I said, what's the Western States?

1053
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 1: And they go the Western States one, and I said,

1054
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 1: A hundred miles. I said, they go, yeah, they're running

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Speaker 1: the course twice today to prepare And I'm like what.

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01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 1: So I thought that I had done the most craziest

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01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 1: thing ever and their training doing it twice. So I'm

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01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:25,439
Speaker 1: like this Western States. So I did the Big Horn

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01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:29,480
Speaker 1: one on my first hundred in in um In, Wyoming.

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Speaker 1: It's a hard hundred. It took me twenty nine hours,

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01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 1: is terrible. The next year I did the Western States,

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Speaker 1: the race they're preparing for, and there the goal was

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Speaker 1: let's get let's break twenty four hours, you get the

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Speaker 1: silver buckle. So I did it in one, so I

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01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:46,880
Speaker 1: got my buckle. So that was It's kind of just

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01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 1: like hunting is like an evolution. And then I was like,

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Speaker 1: I want to narrow one on that race, the one.

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Speaker 1: So you spent how many hours? Which one Western? The one?

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01:03:56,680 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 1: If you break twenty four one and out of those

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01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 1: this might seem like a dumpt question, but out of

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01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 1: those hours, how many of those hours are you actually

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01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 1: on the move? Like did you stop at all? So

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01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 1: you never you never stopped and took like a twenty

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01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 1: minute power nap? No, no, I mean you. So now

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01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 1: I've done a two hundred and thirty eight mile race,

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01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 1: and even in those um the best of the best

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01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 1: two nights is hard that third night people the best

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01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 1: of the best can go two nights and finish. Took

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Speaker 1: me for that race took me seventy eight hours and

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01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 1: I slept two hours. So you want you want to

1081
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 1: go through with no sleep. You want to always move.

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01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 1: Your body will reset in a you know a girl

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01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 1: who I trained with who's one of the best of

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01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 1: the world, she's done this before, and I did this

1085
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 1: in that race. But you'll like doze off for a minute.

1086
01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:59,440
Speaker 1: Your body resets. It's almost like a control of the

1087
01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:02,560
Speaker 1: lete for your computer. And you wait. Like I was

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01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 1: with my brother and I was like, he was pacing me,

1089
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 1: and I nodded off and I came back and I

1090
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:10,240
Speaker 1: was like, I said, you know, how long was I sleep?

1091
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:13,480
Speaker 1: He's like a minute. I'm like, let's go. And so

1092
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:19,400
Speaker 1: it's weird. And this was while you're running, no stopped, stopped,

1093
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 1: And I was like, you're saying he was pacing you,

1094
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 1: and so almost sounded yeah, that's got some version of

1095
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:32,480
Speaker 1: that has to happen. You sort of like lose your

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01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:34,920
Speaker 1: lucidity now and then for a minute. Yeah, probably. I mean,

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01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:39,560
Speaker 1: if we're there, let's talk about hallucinations when you're going nothing. Ever,

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01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 1: Courtney does Courtney who had trained was she does? She

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01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:47,440
Speaker 1: has a T shirt that she made with a leopard

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01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:49,720
Speaker 1: in a hammock because she was running and saw this

1101
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 1: leopard in a hammock. But yeah, so yeah, anyway, so

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Speaker 1: you go, so you go that long without but but

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01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 1: when you if you take that one minute, thing in

1104
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:06,800
Speaker 1: your body resets. Why not why not capitalize on that

1105
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 1: and do a bunch of resets? Or is that not

1106
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:12,480
Speaker 1: how it works? Some It doesn't always work. It doesn't

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01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:16,800
Speaker 1: always work. I mean, um, if you can get like,

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01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:19,960
Speaker 1: if you can get an hour, say after that second night,

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01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 1: that's a that's a lot. An hour would be a lot.

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01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:27,040
Speaker 1: Sometimes though, you you pop right back and you're like, man,

1111
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 1: it seemed like I would sleep for hours, but you weren't.

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01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 1: You can't do that for you know, you're like tricking

1113
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:36,320
Speaker 1: your body. But pretty soon your body is like, okay,

1114
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:41,640
Speaker 1: we're done. What's your version of recovering from those races?

1115
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 1: Like do you go home and milkshake and lay on

1116
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 1: the couch or takes it takes a wy for your body?

1117
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:53,040
Speaker 1: I mean it takes You're not I mean for a

1118
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 1: month for sure, I can tell my legs or but

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01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 1: do you are you continuing to run afterwards or do

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Speaker 1: you give yourself a period of time off? Yeah, I'd

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01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:07,760
Speaker 1: say a few days after two. Yeah does that tear

1122
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 1: your feet up? Yeah? You're all bloody and yeah, definitely.

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Speaker 1: Bears of running shoes you go through in a year,

1124
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:18,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what what shoe do

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Speaker 1: you wear from one of those? Um well, I've been

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01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:23,840
Speaker 1: sponsored by under Armor up until this year, so I've

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01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:26,880
Speaker 1: been wearing under Armor. In this last race, I wore

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Speaker 1: new Balance. So but so what I found out is

1129
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:34,560
Speaker 1: my feet don't get torn up what they used to

1130
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:38,320
Speaker 1: because now that a secret is you like put vastly

1131
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 1: in all over your toes and then put your socks on,

1132
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 1: and then put your shoe on, and what what your

1133
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:48,080
Speaker 1: toes rubbing together and getting dirt and grime and stuff

1134
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:50,240
Speaker 1: in there. That's just causing blisters for the most part.

1135
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:53,680
Speaker 1: So that I like, I just did that marathon, which

1136
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:56,120
Speaker 1: is no big deal. But I mean I didn't have

1137
01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 1: one spot on my feet, you know, so in the

1138
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:01,280
Speaker 1: last hundred I did, I didn't really have anything, because

1139
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:05,240
Speaker 1: I did that, So they gotta just be like shoe

1140
01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:07,440
Speaker 1: leather by now, right. Yeah, I mean I trained with

1141
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:10,520
Speaker 1: no socks, just running shoes and just too tough and

1142
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:14,120
Speaker 1: on my feet. Yeah. So but you're see your feet

1143
01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:16,880
Speaker 1: still are pretty sensitive and they're taking you know, in

1144
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:22,759
Speaker 1: a marathon it's steps, so you know, it's they're getting pounded.

1145
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:24,559
Speaker 1: Do you have anything that's like starting to wear out

1146
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:29,320
Speaker 1: as far as knees and ankles or like, I don't

1147
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:33,280
Speaker 1: put any energy into that. Yeah, I mean I feel

1148
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:36,040
Speaker 1: it takes me a little bit too your warmed up.

1149
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean relatively speaking. You know, I got

1150
01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:43,599
Speaker 1: I got some I'm banged up a little bit, but

1151
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:50,559
Speaker 1: I mean I can still run. Chronic pain, um, not

1152
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:54,559
Speaker 1: right now, but but running pains in the mind, Yeah,

1153
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:59,200
Speaker 1: I know. I don't. You've avoided like major injury and

1154
01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Yeah. Never, So, I mean part of it,

1155
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:06,519
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's genetic. I have good, good joints. Um.

1156
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:09,599
Speaker 1: I eat. You know, I don't drink um, haven't drank

1157
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:14,040
Speaker 1: for a while. Uh. I eat pretty clean wild game. Um.

1158
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:16,760
Speaker 1: So I you know, other than the sleep, I do

1159
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 1: a lot of I do the hot tub, cold tub.

1160
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:22,000
Speaker 1: I do massage, So I mean, my body is pretty good,

1161
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:24,120
Speaker 1: pretty fit. You know, one thing I wonder when I

1162
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 1: look at the race and you do in the endurance stuff,

1163
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:32,439
Speaker 1: is when you um, I guess it might be hard

1164
01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 1: to answer it because you've been doing it so long,

1165
01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:35,760
Speaker 1: But when you look at just like the nuts and

1166
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:39,599
Speaker 1: bolts hunting stuff right like you're just hunting, do you

1167
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:45,800
Speaker 1: feel that that that that the endurance world translates in

1168
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:50,160
Speaker 1: any kind of direct way? So do you start thinking

1169
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:53,559
Speaker 1: of distances just very differently, and like getting up at

1170
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:55,479
Speaker 1: a certain time to get into a certain place, you

1171
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:58,160
Speaker 1: just started thinking of like it's not an issue, not distances,

1172
01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:04,720
Speaker 1: but but challenges. I don't I used to have the

1173
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:07,040
Speaker 1: same challenge as everybody else. I like, I gotta get

1174
01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:10,200
Speaker 1: all the way up over this ridge. When you've done

1175
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:14,320
Speaker 1: two hundred miles, You're not worth a ridge is no

1176
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:16,120
Speaker 1: big deal, you know what I mean. So it's like

1177
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:18,840
Speaker 1: it's just like you look at things differently. So when

1178
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:22,720
Speaker 1: you look at things differently, you internalize them differently. So

1179
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:25,599
Speaker 1: if you get up over the ridge and a lot

1180
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:27,840
Speaker 1: of times, you know your nervous system can only stand

1181
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:31,680
Speaker 1: so much stimulus, So you think about this ridge and

1182
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:34,640
Speaker 1: climbing up that's kind of you're making your nervous system fire, like,

1183
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:36,519
Speaker 1: oh my god, I gotta do this, you know, body

1184
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:39,240
Speaker 1: language type stuff. And so by the time you get

1185
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:41,280
Speaker 1: over there, maybe you work in. Maybe it's the end

1186
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:43,759
Speaker 1: of the day, maybe you've had haven't had enough calories

1187
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 1: in your nervous systems and thinking about all this challenge

1188
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:48,120
Speaker 1: and you've gotta get back to the truck. So you're

1189
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:51,519
Speaker 1: thinking about that, and then you get that opportunity, you

1190
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:55,040
Speaker 1: can't be at your best. To me, I don't put

1191
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:57,800
Speaker 1: any energy into getting over the ridge, worried about getting

1192
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:01,919
Speaker 1: back nothing. So when I my nervous system isn't getting taxed.

1193
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:05,920
Speaker 1: It's all dedicated to making the perfect shot when that happens.

1194
01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 1: When you say your nervous system, just mean your mental state. Yeah,

1195
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:16,200
Speaker 1: it's like, so it's your body. Um, I don't. I

1196
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 1: think like athletes, that's why they try to stay so calm,

1197
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 1: like before the Olympics or a fighter, you know, before

1198
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:28,000
Speaker 1: a fight, because just being wound up, you're not at

1199
01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:32,080
Speaker 1: your best because you're nervous system can only operate optimally

1200
01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:33,800
Speaker 1: for a certain amount of time, and then then you

1201
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:36,320
Speaker 1: get tired. So it's say, for example, like in an

1202
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:39,599
Speaker 1: endurance race, if you don't have sunglasses on and your

1203
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:42,840
Speaker 1: squinting at the at the end of a long run,

1204
01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:45,639
Speaker 1: that can make a difference wear on you. You want

1205
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:47,439
Speaker 1: to have all you want to have sunscreen, you wanna

1206
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:50,240
Speaker 1: have sunglasses. You want to be as comfortable and relaxed

1207
01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:53,240
Speaker 1: as possible, because then you put more energy into whatever

1208
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:56,200
Speaker 1: endeavor you're doing. Hunting is no different. So if I'm

1209
01:11:56,200 --> 01:11:59,880
Speaker 1: not thinking about all these distractions and challenges, all my

1210
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:03,479
Speaker 1: energy and and focuses on what I'm there to do

1211
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 1: is just kill. Yeah. So it's maybe I'm not explaining

1212
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:12,599
Speaker 1: it right, but I mean you're explaining it perfectly well.

1213
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:15,880
Speaker 1: Like your your mind can think your body into stress

1214
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 1: and then you have physical signs that stress that take energy.

1215
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:26,320
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, physical it's like impediments, you know. And it's uh, yeah,

1216
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:28,960
Speaker 1: so you're not What I always say to is like,

1217
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 1: if the hunt on that hunt at that time is

1218
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:36,000
Speaker 1: the hardest thing you've done, there's no way you could

1219
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:38,360
Speaker 1: expect to be at your best. That can't be the hardest.

1220
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 1: That's the hardest thing you've done. There's no way you're

1221
01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:44,360
Speaker 1: gonna build. You might make the shot you probably won't,

1222
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:47,000
Speaker 1: you know, go ahead. I was gonna say. That's what

1223
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:50,200
Speaker 1: got me into starting to actually run more and more

1224
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:53,360
Speaker 1: consecutive days, because I realized that even though I was

1225
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 1: getting great running shape, I'm like, when I go on

1226
01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:58,640
Speaker 1: a lot of times, it's like a one week backcountry

1227
01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:01,360
Speaker 1: al and that's gonna be my Cavell hunt most likely,

1228
01:13:01,479 --> 01:13:03,240
Speaker 1: like the one hunt I really want to do, just

1229
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:05,160
Speaker 1: live it out of the backpack and go bow hunting.

1230
01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:09,559
Speaker 1: But that's seven days in a row of going ridge

1231
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:12,920
Speaker 1: after ridge after ridge after ridge and on. And so

1232
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:16,000
Speaker 1: I started thinking like, well, I gotta train that way too,

1233
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:18,240
Speaker 1: And so I started like, Okay, you might not do

1234
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:20,840
Speaker 1: ten miles every day, but I should like at least

1235
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:23,760
Speaker 1: go every day so that my body is just like

1236
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:26,080
Speaker 1: when it gets there, it's like, oh yeah, this isn't

1237
01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 1: a big deal to just My goal is always like

1238
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:32,080
Speaker 1: I just want to stroll the mountains comfortably for many

1239
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:34,200
Speaker 1: days in a row, you know. And if I feel like,

1240
01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:35,439
Speaker 1: if I can get to the end of the week

1241
01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:38,080
Speaker 1: and be like, ah, I still feel like I could

1242
01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:41,160
Speaker 1: go another day, then I did. I probably did well.

1243
01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:44,400
Speaker 1: And I didn't like like you're saying, like be halfway through,

1244
01:13:44,439 --> 01:13:48,840
Speaker 1: just like, oh my god, another ridge. Most people are

1245
01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:52,280
Speaker 1: give a good effort the first day or two, and

1246
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:56,759
Speaker 1: then it's like, to get the wind right, you should

1247
01:13:56,760 --> 01:13:58,920
Speaker 1: go all the way around the top. They get here

1248
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:01,160
Speaker 1: and they're like, that's probably good enough. The winds kind

1249
01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:03,519
Speaker 1: of cording, but it's gonna go over. So you kind

1250
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:06,360
Speaker 1: of take these little shortcuts because you're just because you're tired,

1251
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:09,840
Speaker 1: just because you're like, I don't even if you're not

1252
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:14,000
Speaker 1: admitting to yourself you're tired, you're looking for shortcuts. So

1253
01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:16,680
Speaker 1: to me, I'm like, I need to get all the

1254
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:18,240
Speaker 1: way to the backside of the ridge and come all

1255
01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 1: the way to the top. That's just how you have

1256
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:22,599
Speaker 1: to do it. I don't. It's not it doesn't even

1257
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:26,160
Speaker 1: do any good to think about some other shortcut. So

1258
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:31,040
Speaker 1: and really, on a long hunt, the way I look

1259
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:33,799
Speaker 1: at it is by day ten and I've killed bowls

1260
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:38,280
Speaker 1: on nine and you know, way way deep into the hunt. Um,

1261
01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:40,479
Speaker 1: you should be better than you were on day one

1262
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:43,240
Speaker 1: because you're more in tune with mounts. You're a little

1263
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:45,679
Speaker 1: should be a little tougher because you're like, it's hard

1264
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:48,360
Speaker 1: to be tough all the time in the regular world.

1265
01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:51,599
Speaker 1: We get have you can get take a drink whenever

1266
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:53,720
Speaker 1: you want. In the mountains, you're like, should I'm out

1267
01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:57,479
Speaker 1: of water? I gotta whatever? So um, But by day

1268
01:14:57,560 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 1: ten you should be tougher. You should know the an

1269
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,439
Speaker 1: most should know the train. You should know kind of

1270
01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:06,240
Speaker 1: have this thing patterned and then so you have more

1271
01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:10,320
Speaker 1: experience in that setting of when you're hunting, and you

1272
01:15:10,360 --> 01:15:12,640
Speaker 1: should be so you should be better than you were

1273
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 1: on day one instead of worse. You know, if you

1274
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:20,639
Speaker 1: go in and you're physically you're still with all those

1275
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:23,880
Speaker 1: other factors, you should be better. Do you think that

1276
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:29,240
Speaker 1: everybody has the capability to like, uh, you know, to

1277
01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:32,120
Speaker 1: improve their mental state somewhat? Or do you find people

1278
01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:36,200
Speaker 1: that just are never gonna learn to deal with these

1279
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:41,840
Speaker 1: these like stressors or like the nervous system override. I know,

1280
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:45,599
Speaker 1: I think I think people are capable of a lot

1281
01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:49,559
Speaker 1: more than what they think. I think they they they

1282
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:53,200
Speaker 1: give up mentally. Their body doesn't need to give up,

1283
01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:57,599
Speaker 1: so if they could. You know, what I've learned in

1284
01:15:57,720 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 1: training with these people, you know, like Courting or these Olympians,

1285
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:05,720
Speaker 1: is that the body and even what I've done in

1286
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:07,479
Speaker 1: my training, even though I'm not at that level, but

1287
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 1: the day after day after day. What I say is

1288
01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:12,519
Speaker 1: your body gives that you ask of it. If you don't,

1289
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:14,400
Speaker 1: if you don't ask much, it's not going to give

1290
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:16,320
Speaker 1: you much if you ask a lot, or to give

1291
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:20,040
Speaker 1: you a lot. So with that comes confidence, and I think, yeah,

1292
01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:25,680
Speaker 1: it everybody is capable of I'm not gonna say greatness,

1293
01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:30,439
Speaker 1: but man, when you're talking hunting, they're capable of doing some.

1294
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:33,400
Speaker 1: You're capably getting it done on a hunt, for sure,

1295
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:36,479
Speaker 1: like more than you might think you can. When you're

1296
01:16:36,520 --> 01:16:39,320
Speaker 1: talking about that nervous like you you're you're talking about

1297
01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 1: the nervous system. Um. That's a thing that I struggle with,

1298
01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:49,240
Speaker 1: uh as I find that super high wind, cold temperatures,

1299
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:52,040
Speaker 1: you know, when it gets like you know, blow tan

1300
01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:58,440
Speaker 1: or blow zero, becomes harder to concentrate. Problems seem bigger problems,

1301
01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:00,960
Speaker 1: things that you wouldn't normally think of, seems like a

1302
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:03,559
Speaker 1: big deal. Setting your tent up all of a sudden

1303
01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:09,360
Speaker 1: seems like yeah, because like everything requires a bunch of thought,

1304
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:12,880
Speaker 1: you know, and I've often pictured like if you just

1305
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:14,880
Speaker 1: get through that. The thing I'm always trying to tell

1306
01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:17,840
Speaker 1: my kids is like just in certain situations, And I

1307
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:20,840
Speaker 1: don't put them in like stressful situations, but in situations

1308
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:24,160
Speaker 1: to them as young people find stressful, try to be

1309
01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:28,879
Speaker 1: like just calm down, like don't get like even like

1310
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:31,080
Speaker 1: like a bee lands on their drink or something like

1311
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:35,000
Speaker 1: just don't do that. You don't get jumpy like that,

1312
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:37,200
Speaker 1: Like people don't want to be around jumpie people like

1313
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:42,360
Speaker 1: just down. Nobody likes that. But then at the same time,

1314
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:46,759
Speaker 1: I realized, like I'll even find like cold weather, high winds.

1315
01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:51,439
Speaker 1: I'm breathing differently, Yeah, humans, it's not you're thinking differently,

1316
01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:56,880
Speaker 1: definitely thinking differently. Yeah, yeah. You realize like why why

1317
01:17:56,880 --> 01:18:01,320
Speaker 1: am I it's windy and it's called old? Why am

1318
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:04,360
Speaker 1: I contracting all my muscles right now? Like this has

1319
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:05,880
Speaker 1: nothing to do with wind and cold. But I like

1320
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:09,639
Speaker 1: catch myself realized, you're like your jaw, my teeth are clinched,

1321
01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:15,559
Speaker 1: and I'm actually like flexed, muttering curse words to yourself.

1322
01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:18,800
Speaker 1: That's because you just need more fat on your body.

1323
01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:23,120
Speaker 1: You need the wind of the wind is still the wind,

1324
01:18:24,479 --> 01:18:27,519
Speaker 1: like a high, deafening wind makes me like That's the

1325
01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:31,559
Speaker 1: one thing Steve complains about consistently is wind. He doesn't

1326
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:35,240
Speaker 1: complain a lot. But wind makes the wind does a thing.

1327
01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:38,479
Speaker 1: My body react to it like it like it like

1328
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:40,320
Speaker 1: like I said, it makes me like clench my teeth

1329
01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:43,960
Speaker 1: high wind cam. Have you gotten to the point like

1330
01:18:44,200 --> 01:18:48,080
Speaker 1: for me on like a bad country hunt, like tough terrain,

1331
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:53,719
Speaker 1: it's always easier to like maintain that like positive outlook

1332
01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:56,759
Speaker 1: when there's someone else around, maybe a couple other people around.

1333
01:18:57,439 --> 01:18:59,760
Speaker 1: Like if you gotten to the point where you can

1334
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:02,720
Speaker 1: just stay tough when you're by yourself or do you

1335
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:06,479
Speaker 1: still find it easier with other people? No? I mean

1336
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:10,160
Speaker 1: I like to be by myself definitely, because with somebody

1337
01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:12,360
Speaker 1: else you have to a lot of times you have

1338
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:14,599
Speaker 1: to motivate them, you have to check out, and it's

1339
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:19,880
Speaker 1: like this whole thing. Um, And sometimes I don't. I mean,

1340
01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 1: I would prefer to be by myself. Um. Roy had

1341
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:25,400
Speaker 1: the same mindset. One thing about Roy is that he

1342
01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:28,920
Speaker 1: was always in a good mood. It didn't matter what

1343
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:33,040
Speaker 1: the situation, was, always confident. And it's like I remember

1344
01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:36,559
Speaker 1: when I killed that dollar sheep with him, I screwed

1345
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:38,240
Speaker 1: up on the shot. I actually hit the doll sheep

1346
01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:41,760
Speaker 1: in the ankle like front like cut its wrist basically

1347
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:44,040
Speaker 1: and I get back up to him and I was

1348
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:47,760
Speaker 1: just like, oh my god, and he goes, uh he

1349
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:51,880
Speaker 1: was a nice shot. I said, yeah he I said, well,

1350
01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:56,760
Speaker 1: he goes, well it's bleeding. He goes, We'll get it,

1351
01:19:57,520 --> 01:19:59,840
Speaker 1: I know, because it might be a week from now.

1352
01:20:01,360 --> 01:20:05,120
Speaker 1: And so it was always whatever, we're just gonna get

1353
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:07,800
Speaker 1: it done, is whatever. It didn't matter. It was never

1354
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:10,520
Speaker 1: we weren't going to get it done. And so that

1355
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:13,720
Speaker 1: that's hard to find in another person. You know. They

1356
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:15,800
Speaker 1: say a hunting partner's hard to find than a wife.

1357
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:19,639
Speaker 1: And it's like having somebody with the same mindset. If

1358
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:21,479
Speaker 1: you have this mindset, well you'll do whatever is take

1359
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:24,479
Speaker 1: find somebody that it's hard to do. I went through

1360
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:29,000
Speaker 1: a lot of people, and um, so if you can

1361
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:33,760
Speaker 1: have that on your own, then that's simplifies. Yeah, definitely better.

1362
01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:38,880
Speaker 1: That was my one takeaway that really stuck me. Stuck

1363
01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:42,920
Speaker 1: with me from backcountry bow hunting. I probably read that.

1364
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:44,760
Speaker 1: I think I came to Montan the first time hunt

1365
01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:47,679
Speaker 1: with a buddy and like oh six or oh seven,

1366
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:49,599
Speaker 1: and I think that's right when that book came out, right,

1367
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:52,760
Speaker 1: So I must have had a year or two after that,

1368
01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:56,400
Speaker 1: and when I came back at oh nine, and we're

1369
01:20:56,439 --> 01:20:59,200
Speaker 1: doing a fair amount of hunting like that, working out

1370
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:01,559
Speaker 1: of our backpacks already. So like a lot of stuff

1371
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:04,280
Speaker 1: in the book I was like familiar with, but the

1372
01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:06,679
Speaker 1: one thing that stuck with me was about hunting partners

1373
01:21:07,160 --> 01:21:08,880
Speaker 1: I can't know. And I was gonna bring the book,

1374
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:10,960
Speaker 1: but I realized I gave it to that dude. I

1375
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:12,960
Speaker 1: never got it back, So now I'm stuck here. I

1376
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:15,920
Speaker 1: can't get my book signed. But like in there somewhere,

1377
01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:20,080
Speaker 1: you're you talk about having to like make decisions about

1378
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:22,800
Speaker 1: who you're gonna hunt with because some people want to

1379
01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:25,479
Speaker 1: have more of a good time and they're gonna weigh

1380
01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:29,720
Speaker 1: that against like hunting hard and being successful. And I

1381
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:32,120
Speaker 1: remember thinking about the guy that I was hunting with

1382
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:35,200
Speaker 1: at that time and be like, you know, he likes

1383
01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:38,000
Speaker 1: that first thing a lot and like like and and

1384
01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:40,639
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with that. If that's your style of hunting, great,

1385
01:21:41,160 --> 01:21:42,960
Speaker 1: But I had that drive at that time where I

1386
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:45,800
Speaker 1: was like, you know, next time we hunt together, I

1387
01:21:45,880 --> 01:21:48,160
Speaker 1: might just take off for a few days if that's okay,

1388
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:51,040
Speaker 1: you know, And uh, but yeah, that really that was

1389
01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:53,439
Speaker 1: influential and an impact in me because I was like,

1390
01:21:53,479 --> 01:21:55,639
Speaker 1: you know, you're just gonna have to maybe go hunt

1391
01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:59,559
Speaker 1: by yourself. Yeah, and that's uh. It is like I said,

1392
01:21:59,600 --> 01:22:01,479
Speaker 1: getting some me on the exact same page of you

1393
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:05,040
Speaker 1: as you is difficult. But if you're at that that

1394
01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:09,160
Speaker 1: because it's like for us, it didn't matter how miserable

1395
01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:13,200
Speaker 1: we were, it had nothing to do. The very first

1396
01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:15,519
Speaker 1: time we were in the Ego Cap Wilderness, I did

1397
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:18,679
Speaker 1: kill a spike bowl on that hunt, but it got

1398
01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:21,200
Speaker 1: down in the Grand which is down off the mountain.

1399
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:23,680
Speaker 1: It was eight degrees and we were up there and

1400
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:26,320
Speaker 1: I had I talked about this in that book, but

1401
01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:28,840
Speaker 1: I had like the sleeping bag with the pheasants on

1402
01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:31,880
Speaker 1: the flannel on the inside line, and I was like,

1403
01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:34,519
Speaker 1: had the these wool pants that were too big for

1404
01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 1: me that I got an Action surplus, you know, a

1405
01:22:36,240 --> 01:22:39,519
Speaker 1: military supply, and I had. I was sleeping with my

1406
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:42,960
Speaker 1: boots on everything. It's so cold, and I'm like, I

1407
01:22:43,080 --> 01:22:47,479
Speaker 1: go destroy. I said, are you having fun? And he goes,

1408
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:52,080
Speaker 1: he goes, no, But once we kill something and we

1409
01:22:52,160 --> 01:22:54,439
Speaker 1: get home and we get to tell everybody about this trip,

1410
01:22:54,479 --> 01:22:57,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna have fun. And he goes, We're not always

1411
01:22:57,080 --> 01:22:59,080
Speaker 1: gonna have fun on a hunt, and I was just

1412
01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:01,800
Speaker 1: like that was like the first time because I was

1413
01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:05,360
Speaker 1: my first wilderness. Is like, it's not always gonna be fun,

1414
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:08,880
Speaker 1: but what's your goal? Is your goal to be comfortable

1415
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:12,080
Speaker 1: and have fun or is your goal to kill? And

1416
01:23:12,120 --> 01:23:14,439
Speaker 1: so then it was like ever since then, which was

1417
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:20,360
Speaker 1: you know, early nineties, is like comfort means nothing there

1418
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:24,280
Speaker 1: to kill? That's it? Have you when was the time

1419
01:23:24,320 --> 01:23:26,880
Speaker 1: when you didn't live up to your own ideal? Right?

1420
01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:30,320
Speaker 1: Like yeah, you kind of haunted by sometimes and you're like,

1421
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:32,760
Speaker 1: ship man, I didn't do the thing I said people

1422
01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:39,880
Speaker 1: ought to do. Um m hmm. Probably let's see. It

1423
01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:44,520
Speaker 1: would have to be something about you know, discipline, uh

1424
01:23:44,840 --> 01:23:48,240
Speaker 1: about you know I made I've made a lot of

1425
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:52,280
Speaker 1: mistakes coming up about I'm a lot better now about

1426
01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:57,479
Speaker 1: being disciplined with the shot with my sometimes as an

1427
01:23:57,800 --> 01:23:59,960
Speaker 1: as a new not a new bow hunter because I've

1428
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:01,840
Speaker 1: and doing it for thirty seven years now, so it's

1429
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:03,439
Speaker 1: been a while since I've been a new bow hunter.

1430
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:09,000
Speaker 1: But you take the the first decent shot instead of

1431
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:12,040
Speaker 1: high percentage shot, you know what I mean. It's like

1432
01:24:12,360 --> 01:24:15,439
Speaker 1: when when I first hunt, it was gonna be like

1433
01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:17,400
Speaker 1: I might I don't know if I'm gonna get how

1434
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:19,040
Speaker 1: many shots I'm gonna get? This might be the best

1435
01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:24,280
Speaker 1: I get. And so just being disciplined and waiting, you know,

1436
01:24:25,080 --> 01:24:28,759
Speaker 1: for ELK, it's pretty I'm I'm hardly ever it's quartering

1437
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:31,920
Speaker 1: away or broadside, I'm hardly ever forcing stuff. I just

1438
01:24:32,120 --> 01:24:34,920
Speaker 1: after I say this, I just forced one on on

1439
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:37,080
Speaker 1: my Arizona Hut last year and killed the bull. But

1440
01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:41,280
Speaker 1: it's it's like being disciplined when you've been thinking about

1441
01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:44,599
Speaker 1: this thing for maybe your whole life. It's if it's

1442
01:24:44,720 --> 01:24:47,559
Speaker 1: like your tag words, you know, five tags and you

1443
01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:50,280
Speaker 1: get to hunt the buffer zone. So you've been probably

1444
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:52,560
Speaker 1: thinking about this for a long time and then that

1445
01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:55,720
Speaker 1: that crunch time is there. Being disciplined right then is

1446
01:24:55,880 --> 01:25:00,800
Speaker 1: very difficult and I've let myself down. Um so you're

1447
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:03,400
Speaker 1: talking about by taking shots, not by not taking shots.

1448
01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:07,360
Speaker 1: Taking shots, I'm always always too aggressive um or air

1449
01:25:07,479 --> 01:25:10,439
Speaker 1: on the two aggressive side as opposed to too passive.

1450
01:25:10,920 --> 01:25:14,719
Speaker 1: So it's just forcing shots. Yeah, so I've I'm a looted.

1451
01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:24,040
Speaker 1: I mean last bowl I missed two thousand nine. So

1452
01:25:24,120 --> 01:25:28,800
Speaker 1: it's like I'm pretty pretty disciplined on the shot. Wow,

1453
01:25:28,920 --> 01:25:34,800
Speaker 1: that's impressive. I have missed one since then yeah, that's

1454
01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:38,160
Speaker 1: really counting. That's counting your shots and trying to you know,

1455
01:25:38,240 --> 01:25:40,600
Speaker 1: it's uh, yeah, I mean I have had to have

1456
01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:44,880
Speaker 1: some follow up shots more than one arrows. But yeah,

1457
01:25:45,439 --> 01:25:48,280
Speaker 1: do you uh and describe your book to people? Is

1458
01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:53,040
Speaker 1: it more do you picture it more like um? Do

1459
01:25:53,080 --> 01:25:56,519
Speaker 1: you picture it more like people would read it to

1460
01:25:56,680 --> 01:26:01,080
Speaker 1: inform how they live their life? Or do you picture

1461
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:04,880
Speaker 1: people reading it just to hear like a good story

1462
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:07,479
Speaker 1: about an American life? You know? Oh no, no it's not.

1463
01:26:08,120 --> 01:26:12,120
Speaker 1: It's hopefully to help people to be because so if

1464
01:26:12,120 --> 01:26:15,000
Speaker 1: you look at it's like, you know, divorced parents, My

1465
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:17,240
Speaker 1: dad was an alcoholic. I stepped out as an alcoholic.

1466
01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:22,720
Speaker 1: Um uh, moved out or lived on my own when

1467
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:29,040
Speaker 1: I seventeen, no expectations. So it's just like you can

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01:26:29,960 --> 01:26:33,000
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, none of that ship matters, It doesn't matter,

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01:26:34,160 --> 01:26:36,960
Speaker 1: none of them. Everybody has these challenges. It's just how

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01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:40,240
Speaker 1: you overcome and how you set yourself up, um or

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01:26:40,280 --> 01:26:43,479
Speaker 1: how you look at your perspective. It's like and so

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01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:48,839
Speaker 1: I hope that my story will help people like dream big,

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01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:52,519
Speaker 1: you know, achieve more type you know's I had that

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01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:54,840
Speaker 1: in that old back country book and it's true. It's

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01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:58,240
Speaker 1: just like I don't know, I don't I don't want

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01:26:58,240 --> 01:27:00,560
Speaker 1: people to play it safe. I want people to Uh no,

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01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:03,400
Speaker 1: you know this is this is a circumstance I'm in now.

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01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:06,360
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean that's gonna affect where I'm going. So

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01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:10,280
Speaker 1: that's hopefully it does that. M hm. I mean I

1480
01:27:10,280 --> 01:27:13,280
Speaker 1: appreciate you guys having me here and getting this opportunity.

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01:27:13,320 --> 01:27:16,080
Speaker 1: I mean, uh, we were trying to work on this

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01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:20,200
Speaker 1: years ago and never happened. Rihanna helped me make this

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01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:23,400
Speaker 1: happen this time. And um, so I I you know,

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01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:26,400
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan. I'm a big fan of meat.

1485
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:29,720
Speaker 1: Eat what you've built here, your guys rolling all this.

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01:27:30,160 --> 01:27:33,800
Speaker 1: Um you coming up as a from Michigan, coming out

1487
01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:37,760
Speaker 1: west and and making your market's it's inspiring to me.

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01:27:37,840 --> 01:27:41,320
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm honored to be here. I appreciate And uh,

1489
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:44,360
Speaker 1: I think that doing a book is something to celebrate.

1490
01:27:44,360 --> 01:27:47,760
Speaker 1: So I'm glad you're here for that rather than something else.

1491
01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:52,479
Speaker 1: And um, you did the audio version. Yeah, it's terrible.

1492
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:55,320
Speaker 1: I heard a snippet that that you didn't like that

1493
01:27:55,360 --> 01:27:59,760
Speaker 1: process so hard. God, I did not realize how hard

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01:27:59,840 --> 01:28:02,640
Speaker 1: that is going to be I didn't know read. You know,

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01:28:02,640 --> 01:28:04,360
Speaker 1: there's another thing. You're going into a room and read

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01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:08,120
Speaker 1: the damn book. Yeah, and God have an energy. And

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01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:10,280
Speaker 1: you know I didn't. I didn't realize how many words

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01:28:10,280 --> 01:28:13,519
Speaker 1: I skip when I read, you know, oh, you know,

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01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:16,720
Speaker 1: like when you're actually reading something you're not reading like

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01:28:17,320 --> 01:28:20,160
Speaker 1: and I'm like, they said, yeah, back on the next

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01:28:20,200 --> 01:28:23,280
Speaker 1: that line, whatever you missed whatever word, And I'm like,

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01:28:23,360 --> 01:28:27,559
Speaker 1: what I didn't. I didn't know I've missed skip over words?

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01:28:27,640 --> 01:28:29,320
Speaker 1: You know what they call that? Because by I have

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01:28:29,439 --> 01:28:32,120
Speaker 1: we have a young boy who's learning to read. Those

1505
01:28:32,120 --> 01:28:34,719
Speaker 1: are memory words. Oh really, and it was so funny,

1506
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:40,400
Speaker 1: is uh he as assigned memory words. It's funny because

1507
01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:42,759
Speaker 1: you'll see these words that like everybody knows, like oh

1508
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:45,960
Speaker 1: and yeah, but to have him encounter it and have

1509
01:28:46,120 --> 01:28:48,759
Speaker 1: to every time my kid is the same. I'm glad

1510
01:28:48,840 --> 01:28:56,120
Speaker 1: that you don't even you don't even need to say it,

1511
01:28:56,240 --> 01:28:59,200
Speaker 1: just it's and why are you read? Discovering and all

1512
01:28:59,200 --> 01:29:04,800
Speaker 1: the time and just never mind network. But is that

1513
01:29:04,960 --> 01:29:08,800
Speaker 1: is that like translating you speed reading? Like when you

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01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:11,160
Speaker 1: know when people read to themselves, like being able to

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01:29:11,160 --> 01:29:16,599
Speaker 1: speed read and then having to verbalize the brain yeah, yeah,

1516
01:29:16,640 --> 01:29:19,200
Speaker 1: because I read fast. To myself, I read fast. I

1517
01:29:19,200 --> 01:29:22,200
Speaker 1: can get through a book very quickly. But reading it,

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01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:24,559
Speaker 1: I was just like, oh my god, was there ever

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01:29:24,640 --> 01:29:27,040
Speaker 1: the option for someone else to do the reading? I

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01:29:27,080 --> 01:29:31,040
Speaker 1: can't do it. It's never as good, it's never as good.

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01:29:32,360 --> 01:29:35,400
Speaker 1: Just it's just horrible. Man. So you insisted on doing it? Yeah?

1522
01:29:35,560 --> 01:29:38,280
Speaker 1: Did they ask you to do it? Um? I just

1523
01:29:38,320 --> 01:29:40,479
Speaker 1: said I was going to do it. Yeah. I just

1524
01:29:40,479 --> 01:29:44,200
Speaker 1: said because I just know, like with Goggins, Um, he

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01:29:44,280 --> 01:29:46,840
Speaker 1: had somebody else. He did like this in between the

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01:29:46,920 --> 01:29:49,840
Speaker 1: chapters type thing, but he had somebody else read it,

1527
01:29:50,160 --> 01:29:53,920
Speaker 1: and hearing somebody else, I would love to have heard

1528
01:29:54,040 --> 01:29:58,080
Speaker 1: him say what he was, you know, what he's going through.

1529
01:29:58,600 --> 01:30:01,360
Speaker 1: But so, I mean at that time, and I've listened

1530
01:30:01,400 --> 01:30:03,920
Speaker 1: to other books too, I think trying to think who's

1531
01:30:04,040 --> 01:30:06,719
Speaker 1: who else is? But it's always better when the author

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01:30:06,760 --> 01:30:10,600
Speaker 1: does it. I think. Yeah, but the finished product, and

1533
01:30:10,720 --> 01:30:13,040
Speaker 1: you're selling it real strong to listeners with the finished

1534
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:15,559
Speaker 1: product's cool, right, I mean you're happy with it? The audio?

1535
01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:20,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I guess. I mean it's cool because because

1536
01:30:20,080 --> 01:30:24,000
Speaker 1: Joe does a forward and Goggins does what's called the afterword,

1537
01:30:24,200 --> 01:30:26,680
Speaker 1: So that's cool that Joe read is forward. Yeah he

1538
01:30:26,720 --> 01:30:29,200
Speaker 1: did on the audio. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he killed it.

1539
01:30:29,360 --> 01:30:31,280
Speaker 1: Well it's great. Yeah, he's so good at that stuff.

1540
01:30:31,320 --> 01:30:34,439
Speaker 1: But he's so you know is you know, he's very

1541
01:30:34,479 --> 01:30:37,240
Speaker 1: supportive of his friends and just for him. You know,

1542
01:30:37,360 --> 01:30:40,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I said, I go, you doing the forward

1543
01:30:40,280 --> 01:30:43,719
Speaker 1: probably just on the advance probably made me two dollars.

1544
01:30:44,680 --> 01:30:47,560
Speaker 1: I mean, there's like, oh well Joe, Joe Rogan is

1545
01:30:47,560 --> 01:30:50,000
Speaker 1: gonna read the forward. They're like, oh yeah, okay, well

1546
01:30:52,680 --> 01:30:56,200
Speaker 1: what can you do two bucks for us? I saw

1547
01:30:56,240 --> 01:30:58,360
Speaker 1: you had a six book deal or something, right, don't

1548
01:30:58,640 --> 01:31:00,320
Speaker 1: don't you have to pump out some more book? Yeah,

1549
01:31:00,360 --> 01:31:01,920
Speaker 1: we had a big We had a big you know,

1550
01:31:01,960 --> 01:31:03,720
Speaker 1: it seems like more we we have a lot, like

1551
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:07,000
Speaker 1: we have a lot of books lined up. Um, all

1552
01:31:07,040 --> 01:31:10,479
Speaker 1: those books come along there, bro, I was gonna say,

1553
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:13,960
Speaker 1: we asked that question. Look over at we did that.

1554
01:31:14,120 --> 01:31:17,439
Speaker 1: We got a book. We got a um we got

1555
01:31:17,479 --> 01:31:19,800
Speaker 1: like an activity book for kids we're doing that's like

1556
01:31:19,840 --> 01:31:22,479
Speaker 1: a book about raising outdoor kids. We got activity book

1557
01:31:22,520 --> 01:31:24,960
Speaker 1: for kids are doing. We got kind of like a

1558
01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:27,240
Speaker 1: we're gonna we haven't really got rolling on it, but

1559
01:31:27,240 --> 01:31:29,760
Speaker 1: we're gonna do a sort of like um Atlas of

1560
01:31:29,800 --> 01:31:33,200
Speaker 1: the American outdoorsman like ship you ought to go look

1561
01:31:33,240 --> 01:31:38,439
Speaker 1: at that's gonna yeah, and it's like everywhere what I

1562
01:31:38,479 --> 01:31:39,840
Speaker 1: want to do one part, If I want to have

1563
01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:43,400
Speaker 1: everywhere every mountain man died and got malled by a bear,

1564
01:31:43,840 --> 01:31:45,840
Speaker 1: we got shot, you won't have to travel far for

1565
01:31:45,960 --> 01:31:47,880
Speaker 1: some of those, so you can go and be like,

1566
01:31:47,920 --> 01:31:49,760
Speaker 1: to the best of our knowledge, if you want to

1567
01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:52,200
Speaker 1: stand where Hugh Glass got mauled by a grizzly, I'd

1568
01:31:52,200 --> 01:31:55,840
Speaker 1: go stand right about here. So um and then we

1569
01:31:55,920 --> 01:31:58,800
Speaker 1: got an outdoor cooking cookbook. Yah. He's been working on

1570
01:31:58,840 --> 01:32:03,439
Speaker 1: that with us too, mostly Brodie again. Yeah, that's good.

1571
01:32:03,800 --> 01:32:06,160
Speaker 1: But now I like man. I like books, Man, I

1572
01:32:06,240 --> 01:32:10,080
Speaker 1: like them a lot. Uh So this obviously everywhere everywhere

1573
01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:12,280
Speaker 1: books are sold in the audio book is ere you

1574
01:32:12,320 --> 01:32:13,559
Speaker 1: go to listen on books. So if you go on

1575
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:17,000
Speaker 1: your phone, assuming you gotta help, you get a lot

1576
01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:18,960
Speaker 1: of you gotta who's in Here's got to Android. If

1577
01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:21,240
Speaker 1: you got an iPhone, right, you just go to the

1578
01:32:21,320 --> 01:32:24,760
Speaker 1: native books app. It's orange, looks like a book, click

1579
01:32:24,880 --> 01:32:28,559
Speaker 1: that type in endor pop should I guess? So? Yeah?

1580
01:32:29,120 --> 01:32:33,360
Speaker 1: Trust me? Okay, I know the audio books selling a

1581
01:32:33,400 --> 01:32:36,200
Speaker 1: lot more than it's like the audio book is. They're

1582
01:32:36,200 --> 01:32:39,120
Speaker 1: pretty happy with how how good it's selling already. That's great.

1583
01:32:39,160 --> 01:32:42,439
Speaker 1: That's great man. So again everywhere books are sold audio

1584
01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:45,640
Speaker 1: version print versions kind of. It's it's a very attractive

1585
01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:49,160
Speaker 1: large format print version. It's got a tone of photographs

1586
01:32:49,160 --> 01:32:54,120
Speaker 1: in it. Um, you know, I'd recommend this one over

1587
01:32:54,120 --> 01:32:55,559
Speaker 1: the audio. I don't know. It's it's like like I said,

1588
01:32:55,560 --> 01:33:00,719
Speaker 1: it's a beautifully done large somewhat large format book. Uh.

1589
01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:06,120
Speaker 1: Endure How to Work Hard, outlast, and Keep Hammering by

1590
01:33:06,200 --> 01:33:12,640
Speaker 1: Cameron Haynes, Forward by Joe Rogan, available now. Um, if

1591
01:33:12,680 --> 01:33:16,960
Speaker 1: you wish you could run farther or shoot straighter, Yeah,

1592
01:33:17,800 --> 01:33:21,080
Speaker 1: this book is for you. And and who of us

1593
01:33:21,120 --> 01:33:24,639
Speaker 1: does that not apply to? So appreciate you. Coming on, Oh, everybody,

1594
01:33:24,640 --> 01:33:29,000
Speaker 1: stay tuned. Uh, Cam's gonna join us for Cam's gonna

1595
01:33:29,080 --> 01:33:30,600
Speaker 1: join us for a round of trivia. We gotta go

1596
01:33:30,640 --> 01:33:34,120
Speaker 1: find trivia our trivia man Spencer new Heart And just

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01:33:34,200 --> 01:33:36,280
Speaker 1: check on your next the next thing that pops up

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01:33:36,280 --> 01:33:39,280
Speaker 1: on the download list and you'll hear media or trivia

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01:33:39,439 --> 01:34:01,240
Speaker 1: game on Suckers. Thanks can Eve