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Speaker 3: Oh my god, I feel so bad for him, Like,
Speaker 3: I know, such a sad story.
Speaker 1: I mean, I quite respect your on dates people going
Speaker 1: that deep.
Speaker 3: He gets extra brainy points in his random because that
Speaker 3: was awful. That's like nightmare of stuff.
Speaker 2: I'm a savage. Are you bored of modern dating?
Speaker 1: Meeting the same people from the same apps in the
Speaker 1: same bar You've only chosen because it's close to your
Speaker 1: house and you can make your usual quick getaway. It's
Speaker 1: time to change the narrative on how we find love.
Speaker 1: It's time to start looking for love in all the
Speaker 1: wrong places. I'm going on a wild dating adventure, only
Speaker 1: picking people who are the total opposite of my type.
Speaker 1: And after twenty eight of these dates in two months.
Speaker 2: Will I find that special someone?
Speaker 1: Or well, this experiment proved that I should just give
Speaker 1: up on dating altogether.
Speaker 2: It's time to find out.
Speaker 1: I'm Grace Campbell and this is twenty eight dates later.
Speaker 2: Hi, Hi rods.
Speaker 3: Okay, Grace, I'm excited about today's date. Did he energize
Speaker 3: you at all? Because this guy sitting into DMS this.
Speaker 1: Rose is the modern day meet you it's the modern
Speaker 1: day bumping into someone in a corridor. Yeah, now, listen,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. Yeah, Like, I've had a lot
Speaker 1: of men, not to brag, like, slide into my DMS,
Speaker 1: which is an art form. By the way, I've actually
Speaker 1: dated a few guys with into my DMS and it's gone.
Speaker 1: One of the worst relationships I've had began from somebody
Speaker 1: sliding into my DMS. So it's given me a bit
Speaker 1: of trauma, right, And I worry about men who's sideing
Speaker 1: to my DMS because I feel that they have a
Speaker 1: sort of warped idea of what is going to be
Speaker 1: like going on a date with me, and then it
Speaker 1: just gets a bit confused. So I was a bit
Speaker 1: worried about this, if I'm going to be honest.
Speaker 3: So I actually before we started this, I was like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, a guy's sitting into a DMS like
Speaker 3: this is how so many of my relationships happened. But
Speaker 3: then no one you're saying that, I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: mine didn't last either, Yeah, so maybe that isn't a
Speaker 3: good thing.
Speaker 1: The one thing I'll say, right, and this is what
Speaker 1: I have realized, is that men who like slide into
Speaker 1: your dms. They are doing that with so many women,
Speaker 1: Like it's not just you that they're doing that with.
Speaker 1: That's a tactic that they're not all of them, right.
Speaker 1: But one guy I dated who's sitting into my DMS
Speaker 1: I then later realized that literally, and I only realized
Speaker 1: this from looking at who else he was following on
Speaker 1: Instagram every week when we were dating. Is he would
Speaker 1: always be following your girls and always be stiding into
Speaker 1: their dms. So I think it's it's a bit of
Speaker 1: a some men, it's you know, it's their form of
Speaker 1: being a player, and that's what it bit gets my
Speaker 1: back up. But i'd actually met this guy before, we'd
Speaker 1: met on the Canal and Hackney on like a really
Speaker 1: sunny day last year, and then he followed me on
Speaker 1: Instagram and never messaged me, and then messaged me like
Speaker 1: seven months later being like do you want to go
Speaker 1: for a drink?
Speaker 3: And like, Grace, you know that you're saying, low's a
Speaker 3: guy signing two dms. Has anyone famous ever slid into dms?
Speaker 1: No, And I will say way less people slided into
Speaker 1: my dms now. It used it was like it was
Speaker 1: like a year ago.
Speaker 3: That's because they don't want to be part of your
Speaker 3: comedy show. No, I think it is that.
Speaker 1: I think there was a really peak moment for me
Speaker 1: when no one really famous. A few comedians have slidden
Speaker 1: to my dms, like sort of mildly known comedians.
Speaker 3: But you know, ck, you look really.
Speaker 4: Nice to like. And also you did have like eight
Speaker 4: people here trying to get you ready, which I thought
Speaker 4: was a bit weird.
Speaker 2: Okay, so if you if you had to be played
Speaker 2: in the movie where anyone who would have been joy?
Speaker 3: Oh, that's really true.
Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, that's really true. True, that's really true.
Speaker 1: Actually, when I met him last summer, I hadn't quite
Speaker 1: recalled how posh she was, Like he was really posh,
Speaker 1: which it wasn't an it at all, because he was.
Speaker 2: He had good chat, but his voice was quite posh.
Speaker 3: I like his accent.
Speaker 2: No, he's posh. But he was good looking.
Speaker 1: He looked he did look like Joseph Gordon Levitt, like
Speaker 1: that is actually what he looks like.
Speaker 3: I'm actually googling him right now because I can't.
Speaker 2: He was in Ten Things I Hate About You Love Him?
Speaker 3: Yeah, did he look like him?
Speaker 2: He looked like him.
Speaker 3: You know, he's one of those actors that like, I
Speaker 3: love him in movies and afterwards I'm like, I'm in
Speaker 3: love with him.
Speaker 1: No, I know, because he's so cute, he's so nice,
Speaker 1: he's so nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Great.
Speaker 3: I actually think your accent is pastial than his. It's
Speaker 3: definitely noting from all your Irish listeners right now, and
Speaker 3: they're like, I know, because that's the thing, but I
Speaker 3: don't actually for someone from London like I'm posh, definitely,
Speaker 3: but I don't have like he spoke like that.
Speaker 2: It's more of a sort of BBC accent.
Speaker 3: Okay, expecting when the clip I was expecting like the
Speaker 3: Crown right, No he doesn't. Okay, well you know what
Speaker 3: I wasn't on a date with King Charles. Can I
Speaker 3: just say instantly I like him?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: He was good vibes, He was good vibes. We actually
Speaker 1: had fun, like it was a really fun date.
Speaker 2: He had great chat.
Speaker 1: He sat down and the first thing he said was
Speaker 1: you look amazing, and I was like, that's so funny
Speaker 1: because it's like you're trying really hard. Yeah, that's nice
Speaker 1: to Also, he follows me on Instagram.
Speaker 2: Obviously.
Speaker 1: On my Instagram, I do all these things where I
Speaker 1: talk about things that give people the it and get
Speaker 1: people's like some bit their things. And he said that
Speaker 1: he'd like thought about coming and basically encompassing like all
Speaker 1: of the biggest ins. So he was like he wanted
Speaker 1: to come and like wear all different things that he
Speaker 1: was like, I didn't want to put you off. So
Speaker 1: now I'm trying to be like the opposite of a nick.
Speaker 4: Well, it's also you know, a lot is to go
Speaker 4: on a date with a girl, but beforehand, so you know,
Speaker 4: she puts like fifty it's up and you're walking through
Speaker 4: a mind for on the date, making sure you don't
Speaker 4: mention all the stupid shit she's the night before also
Speaker 4: was thinking about compiling like seven of them and just
Speaker 4: wearing whatever. Yeah, that would have been really drink at
Speaker 4: the bar and at one point come on to people like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, I can't leave you're hair. I just
Speaker 4: to say thank you so much. Saved my life, your massive,
Speaker 4: massive dick. You're the best person. If I thought best lot.
Speaker 3: You know what, that's kind of night.
Speaker 2: He seemed a bit nervous.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I actually think that that shows that he's able
Speaker 3: to make fun of himself, that he follows you that
Speaker 3: he was going to make fun of your whole acting,
Speaker 3: but then was like, Okay, she might actually think I'm
Speaker 3: being serious.
Speaker 2: And yeah.
Speaker 3: It's like, if I was going on a date with someone,
Speaker 3: I would stop them on social media, Like how much
Speaker 3: research do you usually do on guys before?
Speaker 1: If I can find their social media, then I will
Speaker 1: stalk them heavily. But sometimes when you match someone on
Speaker 1: a dating app, you don't have their social media before
Speaker 1: you meet them, and I don't really want to ask
Speaker 1: because my fear is if I stalk someone too much
Speaker 1: before I meet them and they give me the egg,
Speaker 1: then I'm not going to go on the date.
Speaker 2: That's happened to me in the past.
Speaker 3: What's the deepest dive you've done?
Speaker 1: Oh, I would just go really really far back on
Speaker 1: the instagrams.
Speaker 3: You wouldn't check out like LinkedIn, Facebook, Twitter, Like you
Speaker 3: learn a lot for someone's Twitter.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 1: I just don't ever think to do that because I
Speaker 1: forget that, like people have LinkedIn because I don't have
Speaker 1: a job.
Speaker 3: And like you know, if you've ever done a deep
Speaker 3: dive or you follow them on social media, as you said,
Speaker 3: you've gone back really far on Instagram, Like on a date,
Speaker 3: will you let them know or like will you be
Speaker 3: like a surprise and they tell you that they have
Speaker 3: a dog named Daisy.
Speaker 1: I don't know if if we followed each other on
Speaker 1: Instagram already, then I'd be like, oh, yeah, I saw
Speaker 1: your dog on Instagram. But if we haven't, then I
Speaker 1: probably would not.
Speaker 2: Say to be honest, yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: And you know one thing I've never seen on your
Speaker 3: profile what so like anytime you've been in a relationship,
Speaker 3: you've come out of a relationship, gone into one, you
Speaker 3: never really posted it on social media, Like you never
Speaker 3: make it into official or anythink.
Speaker 2: No I would.
Speaker 1: I don't think I would ever post my boyfriend on
Speaker 1: the internet and my partner.
Speaker 3: Does it give you the ick?
Speaker 1: It just feels a bit like intense, And I feel
Speaker 1: like I would post it maybe on my like close
Speaker 1: friends or on like a personal Instagram, But it just
Speaker 1: feels intense, like all these people who follow me I
Speaker 1: who don't know me, like knowing about my relationship.
Speaker 2: Like I just don't like that idea. Wow, I feel
Speaker 2: like you're quite like private about your relationship.
Speaker 3: I am, Yeah, but like before, like I would have
Speaker 3: posted about boyfriends. Yeah, And I kind of learned the
Speaker 3: hard way that like then you're giving people.
Speaker 1: A right to have an opinion one, and then once
Speaker 1: you have that, it's almost like it's not your relationship.
Speaker 3: When break up you're going through a breakup, you're also
Speaker 3: going through like everybody knowing.
Speaker 1: And having theories about it and deciding like I just been.
Speaker 3: Boring breakup, nothing geese happened, Okay.
Speaker 1: I know, and they're making up all of these Honestly,
Speaker 1: I've seen it with so many people that go through
Speaker 1: like public breakups, and it's just like I would just
Speaker 1: rather not.
Speaker 3: So how long have you been single?
Speaker 1: For?
Speaker 4: About twenty six years now? Really, I've had a lot
Speaker 4: of fun with a lot of girls. Neverbody found one
Speaker 4: that I really want to settle down with, like yet
Speaker 4: may have already met her. Not too sure. You are
Speaker 4: really funny, really really funny. But no, Yeah, I mean
Speaker 4: I had rationships in school and at sixth form. But
Speaker 4: I say, since I have sixth form, yeah, only like
Speaker 4: long term buddies.
Speaker 2: Sewhere Yeah of course yeah buddies right? Okay, But is
Speaker 2: that is that because?
Speaker 1: Is that because like is it just a mutual thing
Speaker 1: or if you have girls like wanting it to be more?
Speaker 4: No, I've had a lot of girls told me to
Speaker 4: love me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I'm at an age now where whoever I
Speaker 1: get with NEX is going to have a significant X.
Speaker 3: They're going to be divorced.
Speaker 2: No, I know exactly.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, but even I've got like a significant X,
Speaker 1: and it's like there's no purity like anymore when you
Speaker 1: meet someone, they've always got someone else that's going to
Speaker 1: be like a bit of a soft spot in your relationship.
Speaker 2: So that's nice, but it's funny when men are.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I've had so many girls like really wanting
Speaker 1: to be serious with me, and I'm just like, nope,
Speaker 1: not found the one.
Speaker 2: That's when I'm not a grow up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does give that kind of complex that he's
Speaker 3: just like everything's revolving around him, like nothing's wrong with him.
Speaker 3: It's everyone else.
Speaker 1: But also it sounds like not necessarily him. But you know,
Speaker 1: when people are like that, it's a bit like, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: why are you misleading so many people into thinking you're
Speaker 1: going to be in a relationship with them?
Speaker 3: Okay, great, Sorry, I do think we're sending We're actually
Speaker 3: saying like he forgets because you're going on twenty eight
Speaker 3: days to find the one. So it's like yeah.
Speaker 1: So there was this weird moment, right, I brought Eddie
Speaker 1: my dog on the day, and he just wasn't really
Speaker 1: acknowledging her or looking at her, and so I called
Speaker 1: him out for it.
Speaker 2: I don't think you liked that.
Speaker 4: I don't like dogs. I don't do oh, I don't
Speaker 4: like dogs, know, are you joking? I had a bit
Speaker 4: there was a whole thing when I was younger, we
Speaker 4: had a dog and it all went went it's up
Speaker 4: potentially I I left a washing basket on the hob
Speaker 4: and the house went up and the dog was in
Speaker 4: the house just like that was bad. I got back,
Speaker 4: I saw that there was like smoke coming for the window,
Speaker 4: so like ran inside like whole places of fire, like
Speaker 4: grabbed grabbed him like right out of the door, like
Speaker 4: passed out fire fire and grabbed me. Took me to
Speaker 4: the hospital. Obviously dog was long dead. So since then,
Speaker 4: never been a fan. But you that's a reasonable reason
Speaker 4: to not like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's also it's not that you're not a fan.
Speaker 2: It's not normatized.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's just not saying like
Speaker 4: when I look at when I look at your dogs.
Speaker 3: And laugh, whoa, oh my god, number one. Can I
Speaker 3: just say that's such a like he's no, look, I'm
Speaker 3: not a psychologist, but like he definitely has allowed it
Speaker 3: like that. That's like a very traumatic thing to go through.
Speaker 1: That's so traumatic. Can you imagine killing your family dog?
Speaker 3: Yeah? And also I know he's like, oh I look
Speaker 3: at dogs, and I'm like, oh no. But it's like
Speaker 3: if you had a really bad experience with men, you
Speaker 3: might be like, oh, I never want a date. I
Speaker 3: don't want to like, do you get me?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think it's definitely not because actually, after a while
Speaker 1: spending time with him, we actually hung out for like
Speaker 1: the whole evening. Yeah, he actually liked the dog and
Speaker 1: then was like cuddling the dog at the end. But
Speaker 1: I think just had, like you said, been so traumatized
Speaker 1: by this experience that he couldn't even look at dogs
Speaker 1: because he would be reminded of it.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. You kind of want to give him
Speaker 3: a hug, don't you.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, And I felt like that's such
Speaker 1: a sad story.
Speaker 3: And I was like, wow, such a sad story.
Speaker 1: I mean, I quite respect you on dates people going
Speaker 1: that deep and like telling stories like that. I sort
Speaker 1: of appreciated it because I was like, oh, you're not
Speaker 1: just giving me surface level stuff, do you know what
Speaker 1: I mean?
Speaker 3: No? And it gives context because if he just turned
Speaker 3: around into and said no, I'm just not into them,
Speaker 3: you'd be like, Okay, that's a bit of a red flag.
Speaker 3: But now these given context, you're actually like, I can
Speaker 3: understand why you're not cuddling my dog right now. I
Speaker 3: feel so bad for him. He gets extra band points
Speaker 3: in this round because that is awful.
Speaker 4: So is this whole podcast dates to try and maybe
Speaker 4: get your limit better flirting?
Speaker 1: No, it's not because I've never had any desire to
Speaker 1: be going to flying.
Speaker 4: That's good. Everyone wants they can't help.
Speaker 3: Do not like flying? No, I think I think it's
Speaker 3: so it's.
Speaker 1: Like I hate small tool nice absolutely.
Speaker 4: I think the best flirting is when like it doesn't
Speaker 4: the girl doesn't think it's flirting.
Speaker 3: You know, you don't.
Speaker 4: You don't, you don't acknowledge it's flirting. It's just a
Speaker 4: subtle I think it's more about like small body language
Speaker 4: and grace. Please put your top back on. Okay, I
Speaker 4: to hear that's really appropriate.
Speaker 3: You know what I've never thought about, like what is
Speaker 3: flourishing before but like he said it right there, it
Speaker 3: kind of is like half what you say, but your body.
Speaker 2: Language it is. And that's why a lot of flirting
Speaker 2: is eye contact.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm really bad at flirting because I think my
Speaker 3: style of flirting is like almost ripping the piss out
Speaker 3: of people. And I also find it really awkward to
Speaker 3: keep eye contact. So I say, people go away, and
Speaker 3: they go, she's a fucking bitch, she hates me, and
Speaker 3: I like them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is.
Speaker 1: It's so much about your physical language, like I think,
Speaker 1: because I could say something that's not flirty, but then
Speaker 1: if I said it in a certain tone and look
Speaker 1: to you in a certain way, it would be obvious
Speaker 1: that I'm flirting with you.
Speaker 3: And also like you know, putting your hand on their
Speaker 3: shoulder kind of like laughing and like making contact with
Speaker 3: them while you're talking. That is, Yeah, that's flirting, to
Speaker 3: be honest.
Speaker 1: My main tip for flirting on a day if it's
Speaker 1: just like all about how you look at them, Like
Speaker 1: I just feel like when I'm on a day and
Speaker 1: I like want to get with the person and like
Speaker 1: I'm attracted to them, I would just make a very
Speaker 1: specific type of eye contact to them, which is like,
Speaker 1: I want to have sex with you with my eyes.
Speaker 3: So I have a question, though, have you ever been
Speaker 3: around someone that they're so good looking and you like
Speaker 3: them so much that you can flir properly?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 2: When I was younger, definitely.
Speaker 3: It hasn't happened since you were in I don't.
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, yeah, when I was in my early twenties,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Like, I went on a date with a guy like
Speaker 1: not long ago, and he was so fair, and I
Speaker 1: remember being like, oh my god, like I was obviously
Speaker 1: him and I was like, oh my god, like I
Speaker 1: actually can't believe I'm oppositely someone this hot.
Speaker 2: But I was still capable of flying. But I was like,
Speaker 2: I kept.
Speaker 1: Being like sort of checking to see if he was blind,
Speaker 1: think holding off? Wait can you see that flying into
Speaker 1: your face? So we were deciding what to have next
Speaker 1: to drink, and while I was getting up to go
Speaker 1: and get them, he left a little note on the recording.
Speaker 4: So Grace is at the bar. So I thought, I
Speaker 4: take this time to just deeply from the it's going
Speaker 4: pretty well. She's great, and she has come back.
Speaker 2: I was gonna shot, Oh, he's so cute.
Speaker 3: He's very cute. I like him.
Speaker 2: That's really cute.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like you know what, obviously we've we've run
Speaker 3: through like him and there hasn't really been any red
Speaker 3: flags ranting that you.
Speaker 2: Know there was. There was nothing that bothered me. No,
Speaker 2: not even the dead dog. That wasn't his fault.
Speaker 3: He just seems like super honest, really nice. Obviously. I
Speaker 3: know you said the accent was a bit whatever, but
Speaker 3: like Grace, it's not a big deal in fairness if
Speaker 3: coming over from Ireland, like that's a bit. That's an
Speaker 3: attractive accent, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3: It's h m it is Hugh Grant.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're doing on Saturday night.
Speaker 2: Why ask me out?
Speaker 4: No, there's a there's for this event on Saturday.
Speaker 2: I'm around, I've got a gig at five.
Speaker 3: Where's the gig?
Speaker 4: Really?
Speaker 2: Really, Grace, Grace, I know my mum says I have
Speaker 2: a real issue. I yawn all the time. It's a
Speaker 2: nerve thing. I yawn when I'm like.
Speaker 3: Nerv Even talking about yawning though, it makes me want
Speaker 3: toy on, like hearing you y on.
Speaker 1: So before a gig, I yawn like unbelievable amounts I
Speaker 1: have to even on on dates date, so you're quite
Speaker 1: a lot because but it's not because I'm tired, it's
Speaker 1: because I'm anxious.
Speaker 2: It's really weird. It's it's just a nerve thing.
Speaker 3: Do you ever yawn in the middle of a gig.
Speaker 1: No, I never yearned when I'm on stage because I'm
Speaker 1: being like pumped with adrenaline beforehand.
Speaker 2: I will yawn so much.
Speaker 3: Grace, that's just your tactic for putting him back in
Speaker 3: the box. You didn't want to boli him after the dogs,
Speaker 3: he said, I'll just give a little yawn just so
Speaker 3: he doesn't.
Speaker 2: Get to know. It's more that it's more a nerve thing.
Speaker 1: And I think I did say that it's not you,
Speaker 1: it's it's me being nervous. But yeah, the event he
Speaker 1: was throwing was a rave on that Saturday, and I
Speaker 1: didn't end up going because I'm not really in my
Speaker 1: raving era at the moment.
Speaker 3: You know what, though, it was going so well until
Speaker 3: the rave, so.
Speaker 2: Well, you were like, you're gonna get married.
Speaker 3: And then oh, oh my god, I'm like, I really
Speaker 3: like him. I actually think he just seems like such
Speaker 3: a nice guy. But the fact that he's twenty six
Speaker 3: and he's still into raving questionable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was throwing a rave. He was throwing a
Speaker 1: rage questionable. So I didn't go to the rave, and
Speaker 1: he did message me that day saying are you coming
Speaker 1: to the rave?
Speaker 2: And I was like, no, I'm really sorry.
Speaker 1: I'm not coming because I haven't got a dog sitter,
Speaker 1: because I'm an adult with a dog.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I.
Speaker 2: Would see him again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I actually think he should see him again.
Speaker 2: And I think as well.
Speaker 1: Like one of the things that I liked about this
Speaker 1: scenario is that it wasn't like from a dating app.
Speaker 1: It was like a bit more organic where we'd already
Speaker 1: met and then he'd messaged me on Instagram. I prefer
Speaker 1: situations like that because as already we've already gotten over
Speaker 1: the sort of like weird shit. And I respect people
Speaker 1: for siding into my dms. It used to happen so
Speaker 1: much more, and it happens way less now, I think,
Speaker 1: because maybe I'm a bit more intimidating than I used
Speaker 1: to be.
Speaker 4: It.
Speaker 2: But I used to get so many men's signing into
Speaker 2: my dms.
Speaker 3: Can I just say, and this is something I didn't
Speaker 3: mention the start. He clearly has been talking about you
Speaker 3: for the last year to his friends, his family, his
Speaker 3: cousin's being like this girl Grace I met, I really
Speaker 3: like her. He's clearly had eyes with you, which is
Speaker 3: actually kind of like I just think that's that's really
Speaker 3: like adhering about him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's cute. Good for him.
Speaker 3: You have been her best so far. Congratulations you win
Speaker 3: nothing but possibly a second date.
Speaker 2: Because you went absolutely nothing.
Speaker 1: Maybe you'll maybe you'll meet me again if I'm feeling generous.
Speaker 2: Next time. On twenty eight dates later, I can't go
Speaker 2: out of someone who is badly dressed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fucking non branded trainers, ill fitting jeans, a fucking
Speaker 1: T shirt with the Rolling Stones logo on it describing
Speaker 1: what I'm wearing right now.
Speaker 2: Oh does he aroub me? I'm a savage?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, can grab me? Twenty eight Dates Later
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