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Speaker 1: It's not like Bernie Sanders was some Mexican activists Caesar

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Speaker 1: child is type from California or Texas. He was a white,

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Speaker 2: Voot from Futuro Media. It's Latino Usa. I'm Maria Ino Jossa.

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Speaker 3: I wish I could give you better news, but I

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Speaker 3: think you know the truth.

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Speaker 2: Senator Bernie Sanders dropped out of the Democratic race for

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Speaker 2: president on April eighth, for the second election cycle in

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Speaker 2: a row. He put up a surprising effort in the primaries, and.

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Speaker 3: While we are winning the support of so many young

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Speaker 3: people and working people throughout the country, I have concluded

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Speaker 3: that this battle for the Democratic nomination will not be.

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Speaker 4: Successful this time around.

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Speaker 2: His campaign had been written off before the voting had

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Speaker 2: even started. Sanders mounted an unlikely comeback, winning key early

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Speaker 2: states like New Hampshire.

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Speaker 3: Let me take this opportunity, so thank the people of

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Speaker 3: the Hampshire for a great victory tonight.

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Speaker 2: A self described democratic socialist, Sanders created a movement based

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Speaker 2: on his signature issues Medicare for all, raising the minimum wage,

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Speaker 2: and free college tuition.

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Speaker 5: We're not only going to defeat Trump.

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Speaker 3: We're going to transform the United States to America.

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Speaker 2: But by the time he dropped out, he was facing

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Speaker 2: an insurmountable lead by former Vice President Joe Biden. Sanders

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Speaker 2: won nine contests out of more than thirty primaries and

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Speaker 2: caucuses that have voted so far. And when he won,

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Speaker 2: Sanders won big, especially in places like Nevada and California.

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Speaker 3: And acclauding so three networks in the ap we have

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Speaker 2: An important part of his early success was the support

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Speaker 6: He won the support of some fifty five percent of

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Speaker 2: Reporter Gizelli Regatao has been following Latino voters in Pennsylvania

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Speaker 2: of the race. Giselli Regatao, Welcome to Latino USA.

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Speaker 6: Hi, Maria.

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Speaker 2: So I've always been fascinated by Pennsylvania because it is

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Speaker 2: But how is it that you, Guizelli, end up deciding

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Speaker 2: to focus on Latino voters in twenty twenty in Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 6: It's interesting, Maria, because Pennsylvania went for Trump in the

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Speaker 6: He won by less than one percent, which was about

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Speaker 6: forty thousand votes. And Latinos are growing a lot in

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Speaker 6: the state. There are more than four hundred thousand eligible

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Speaker 2: So you got a sense that the campaigns understood specifically

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a big state. So I decided to focus

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Speaker 6: They actually used to live in New York and they

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Speaker 5: I'm well, my title here is the director of facilities.

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Speaker 6: Daniel is head of maintenance at a charter high school

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Speaker 5: I do not mind Bernie, Bernie Sanders, the other candidates.

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Speaker 6: So I asked him what are the issues he cares about.

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Speaker 6: He told me he cares about health care, and he

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Speaker 5: In economic growth, you know, making sure we can get

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Speaker 6: That's an interesting thing I learned. The city of Reading,

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Speaker 2: So some people might say, what's going on with Pennsylvania

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Speaker 2: imagine that if Puerto Ricans were the largest Latino Latina

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, And actually, another voter I spoke with her family

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Speaker 7: So all of this the majority of everybody who lives

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Speaker 6: Is the manager of operations at a nonprofit in Bethlehem,

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Speaker 1: Hillary.

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Speaker 7: She's like, no, no, I was trying to think which

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Speaker 7: last election we're talking about town, Yes, I voted for Hillary.

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Speaker 6: Now, how about in the p I voted for Bernie Sanders.

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Speaker 8: Yes, who are you voting for? Now?

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Speaker 6: I have no idea. I was surprised. I thought she

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Speaker 7: I just at this point, it's like, who has the

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Speaker 2: So you were speaking with these two voters before a

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Speaker 6: Yes, because some of the voters I spoke with were

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Speaker 6: So after February this first caucus, Bernie came really strong.

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Speaker 3: And I imagine the results will be announced, And when

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Speaker 6: I spoke to Dahlia and at that point she told

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Speaker 9: You know, I'm still looking at things, but Bernie Camp

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Speaker 6: Daniel Natau, our other voter here, also got texts from

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Speaker 5: Yes, myself, I've gotten a text message. I guess my

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Speaker 5: phone number must be on some sort of a call list.

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Speaker 5: That definitely reached out to me. I haven't gotten from

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Speaker 2: I mean This is something that I heard a lot

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Speaker 2: the Bernie Sanders campaign was really developing a very strategic

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Speaker 2: with Latino and Latina voters. You know, many of these

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Speaker 6: Yes, and this is very new. We often talk about

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Speaker 6: Latinos don't vote as much as other groups, or vote

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Speaker 10: Often campaigns only contact people who score over seventy and

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Speaker 10: Latino voters on average have lower propensity scores.

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Speaker 6: So here's a community that is often poor. They might

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Speaker 6: Lisa says, in the rare occasions that they are contacted,

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Speaker 2: So, Gizelli, you know you're witnessing this as it's actually happening.

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Speaker 2: You're reporting on the ground in Pennsylvania. You're hearing from

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Speaker 2: Latino Latina voters that the only candidate that is actually

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Speaker 6: Yeah, very very intentional. Actually, Maria irished out to all

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Speaker 4: Latinos will be the most important electorate in the state

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Speaker 4: out by listening to this podcast, and they won't to

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: The first time that we did paid outreach to any

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Speaker 6: I think there were several factors, and it is true

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Speaker 9: It is definitely true that Bernie's path to victory required

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Speaker 6: But I actually asked that question to Lisa Garcia Vedoya

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Speaker 9: While it is true that the shelter in place orders

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Speaker 6: And then we all know what happened next.

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Speaker 3: And so today I am announcing the suspension of my campaign.

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Speaker 2: And of course that was huge news when Bernie Sanders

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Speaker 1: Like Bernie just got out today.

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Speaker 6: And he said he had a lot of work to

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Speaker 1: Have we worked for lots of organizations though that are

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Speaker 6: But looking back at the campaign, what's interesting is that

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Speaker 1: That what makes this story even more powerful is if

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Speaker 2: So now what are daily and Danielle saying about going

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Speaker 6: When I called Delia back after Bernie dropped out, I

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Speaker 7: For me, again, it was either or I'm not opposed

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Speaker 6: But she also thinks that the coronavirus pandemic has changed

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Speaker 7: I think it's a very different perspective post COVID nineteen. Personally,

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Speaker 6: The priorities she had back in January when I first

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Speaker 8: I would be say, leaning towards, you know, voting for

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Speaker 6: When I first interviewed Daniel, it was in February, and

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Speaker 8: I think all across the board, he's doing what he

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Speaker 2: So basically, what you've revealed is that Latino voters are

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so I actually talked to Chuck Roacha, the senior

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Speaker 1: Because they're just overwhelmingly more Latino Democrats. But the difference

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Speaker 8: Like it's the key to so many different things.

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Speaker 6: He said, winning big with the Latino vote is really

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Speaker 2: Essentially, what we're experiencing because of COVID nineteen, everything has

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Speaker 2: So in the age of social distancing, there is a

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Speaker 6: Yes, there are I think several parts to that answer.

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Speaker 6: I talked to Lisa Garciaya from yucy Berkeley about this,

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Speaker 9: That they are going to have to come up with

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Speaker 9: How do you educate voters about how to vote by mail?

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Speaker 6: Lisa also told me that mail in ballots are a

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Speaker 9: Latinos are the least likely folks to vote by mail,

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Speaker 6: She said, there will be issues with translation to make

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Speaker 2: So right at a time when there was a candidate

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, Latinos have often been ignored. I feel

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Speaker 6: I guess it will be up to the campaigns to

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Giselle for all of your reporting

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