1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Most six Podcast. I am Bucky Brooks, 3 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: and I'm really excited because sitting in for DJ today 4 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: is one of my favorite, one of my buds, Bruce Fellman, Uh, 5 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 1: the guy who knows all things about college football. And 6 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a fun discussion because we're gonna talk 7 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: about what is going on in the current landscape and 8 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: what and how it will impact, I guess the future 9 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: of the college game, but also how they eventually impact 10 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: the pro game going forward. How you doing, Bruce, I'm 11 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: doing great. Bugs. Good to see you. Good to be on. 12 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 1: I know, I got big shoes to fill, so I 13 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: will do the best. No, No, she was on that 14 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: big You're a big name, like you have everything like 15 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: my bookshelf, I still got came mutiny and all that 16 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: other stuff. So like you're you're the headliner of this one. 17 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:50,239 Speaker 1: I mean, look, I I gotta hit you with this 18 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: out the gate because um, you know the college game 19 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: so well, Uh, just what has been I guess the 20 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: the after effects of the USC U c l A 21 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:04,479 Speaker 1: announcement USC and U c l A announcing that they're 22 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,759 Speaker 1: going to join the Big ten. They packed twelve seemingly 23 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: falling apart. And what do we make of college football 24 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: in the landscape right now? Well, I think lucky you 25 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: can get a little in the weeds of it. So 26 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: some of it is, like, you know, I'm hearing from 27 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: regents in the California system about they are really ticked 28 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: off that cal is getting left behind the u c 29 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: A Is moving because they're connected, right, So how did 30 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 1: that happen? And so there's that, you know, there's stuff 31 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: like that. Um, I think there's also stuff about the 32 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 1: practical side on the field, depending on who you talked to. 33 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 1: You talked to coaches who coached the university like University 34 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: of Hawaii, and they will be like, man, it's one 35 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 1: thing to do a trip to play Notre Dame and 36 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 1: fly east once a year. It's another thing to do 37 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: like multi time zone trips four times a year. That 38 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: can be draining players. And you know, I had this 39 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: conversation with Norm Chow who was the head coach at Hawaii, 40 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: and he was talking about he had a back to 41 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: back where they were long trips when he was the 42 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: head coach of Why And he said one of his 43 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: UH one of his family members who was visiting the 44 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: team was like, man, your guys look just dead in 45 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 1: the pre game, and he was like, we got shut 46 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 1: out because we would have probably lost that game bad anyway, 47 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: but we could have lost the hundreds of nothing and 48 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: that kind of thing. But then, you know, I've had 49 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: this conversation with Chip Kelly at U c l A. 50 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: Obviously he knows the NFL model, where as you know, 51 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: you lived it where you're gonna be traveling once. Now 52 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: it's different for growing men as opposed to college students. 53 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: But you know, as he put it, their trip to 54 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: Nebraska isn't actually that much longer. It's like a couple 55 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: hundred miles longer than the flight to UH Seattle would 56 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: be if they're playing Washington. I think the challenging part 57 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 1: really is going to be the other sports more so 58 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: than football. I don't think it's gonna be a season 59 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: where the Pack twelve is gonna make USC or U 60 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: c l A do multiple like one season that they 61 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 1: would have to play Maryland and the Saints, they have 62 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: to travel to Kent State or Rutgers or Ohio State. 63 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: I think they'd probably do one of those for each 64 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: one year and then they try to balance as best 65 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 1: they could. To me, that is gonna be a challenge. 66 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: But again, you see like practices in the morning all 67 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 1: the time anyway, So I think, you know, Kelly has 68 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: studied this a lot, and he's like, well, to combat 69 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 1: changing time zones, you really don't change your body schedule 70 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: in that you just kind of work it the same way, 71 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:20,799 Speaker 1: and then your players don't have as big of an adjustment. 72 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: So I think there's that piece, And then there's all 73 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 1: the wild speculation that is going on about what does 74 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: the Big twelve do? Did they try to poach the 75 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 1: leftovers from the Pack twelve? How desirable is any of them? 76 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: I mean, the thing that I didn't really realize Bucky 77 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: until I was, you know, really became a sideline reporter 78 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: for Fox five or six years ago, was the ratings component. 79 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: I knew about it, but I didn't really you know, 80 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: as good as successful as like Oklahoma State has been 81 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: over the last you know, ten twelve years, they don't 82 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: do very big TV numbers. You know, maybe they do 83 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: when they play Bedlam against our tribal Oklahoma, but if 84 00:03:55,960 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: it's not Oklahoma, like you go back and look for example, UM, 85 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: mid October last year, Oklahoma State had a really good year. 86 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: They played West Virginia. The number is a you know, 87 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: it's a really really low number. Same Saturday. Look at 88 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: TCU Texas Tech, which are like, you know, middle of 89 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: the road at that point in big twelve schools, and 90 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: again really low TV numbers even in a you know, 91 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: in in a desirable time slot. And I think for 92 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 1: the people who are going to make these deals and 93 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: try to you know, see what the what's financially feasible, 94 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: I think that's the part where it's just I don't 95 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: know how much leverage either side happen. Yeah, it's um, 96 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 1: it's so crazy to watch. I mean, obviously you and 97 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 1: I are a little more old school, and I just 98 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: remember Pack twelve and I think about, uh, growing up 99 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: in North Carolina and watching on the East coast is 100 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: the three thirty Pack twelve games and watching all of 101 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 1: those ribbalies and watching whatever the sunset descending over the 102 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 1: Rose Bowl or the Coliseum, and just how different it is. 103 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 1: But then to think about USC Matt snow but Ohio 104 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: State in a regular season game, To think about U 105 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: c l A playing Michigan or any one of those teams. 106 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: Um it has that Rose Bowl nostalgia, but it's now 107 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: a regular conference game. And so from the Big ten standpoint, 108 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 1: I can see how big that would be. You have 109 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: these big matchups and you have all of that kind 110 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,239 Speaker 1: of going. But you know, I just think it leaves 111 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: the PAC twelve. And then when I think about the pact, 112 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: will what is left of the packed twell, like, why 113 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 1: would it be an attractive option? Because I think recently, 114 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,359 Speaker 1: maybe as recent as yesterday, the Big twelve Impact twelve 115 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 1: they were having discussions, but that fell apart. So where 116 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 1: does the PAC twelve go now? I I think they've 117 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 1: got to sit there and look at their options and go, Okay, 118 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: what kind of because they're in a TV negotiation window 119 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 1: that I think ends like the first week of August, 120 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 1: so that's not that far off. You know USC especially 121 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 1: but certainly U C. L A. It's obviously l A 122 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: is a huge TV market, and unlike you know, New York, 123 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: which is the biggest TV market in the country. When 124 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: the pact, when the Big tenses, it has you know, 125 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,919 Speaker 1: the New York because it has Rutgers. It doesn't, it 126 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: really doesn't. But USC, as you know, living here is 127 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: a big part of Los Angeles, and U c l 128 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: A Is as well, Sota more than but especially USC, 129 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: and so you take them out of it, you know, Bucky, 130 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: I would ask you this in a given year, but 131 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: this time of year, if you said, if I said 132 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: to you, what are the twenty five most intriguing or 133 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 1: compelling matchup is going to be going into the year, 134 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: and you take USC and U c l A out 135 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: of it, especially USC, I don't know, short of maybe 136 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: Oregon in Utah, I don't know what game in the 137 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 1: in the pack twelve you'd set up. Yeah, that's something 138 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 1: people out who are not die hards of that fan 139 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: base we're gonna want to watch. I mean, Arizona has 140 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 1: been horrific for a long time. I think Jed Fish 141 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,359 Speaker 1: has them going in the right direction, but they're so 142 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 1: they've been so bad. Arizona State has been pretty pretty 143 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 1: average at best, Utah has been good, Colorado has been 144 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: mostly really bad, and you need to look at the North. 145 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: Stanford used to be really good, but they backslid so 146 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: far in like the last three years. Oregon, I mean, 147 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Washington, you know, it's really kind of backslid 148 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: as well. And then you look at Cow has been, 149 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: you know, not even as good as Arizona State, Oregon State, 150 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: Washington State. I think it's hard for people to hang 151 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: their hats on that. So it's really Oregon. And I 152 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: was surprised Bucky to go back to the Big Ten 153 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: news with UCLA and USC that Oregon really wasn't going 154 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: to be a factor in that. But then the more 155 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 1: people you talked to her in the inside the Big 156 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: Ten didn't really want them. And I don't think us 157 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: l A is going to miss him either. I mean, 158 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: I'm sorry USC is not gonna miss him because I 159 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: think they were okay with you know what, Oregon was 160 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: recruiting and pulled some players that we wanted. It's gonna 161 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: be harder for them to do that if they're on 162 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: a less viable, less attractive conference situation. Yeah, no, it's 163 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a big thing. It's a very 164 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: um challenging thing for again, because they have made significant 165 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: eros in Southern Cal And one of the things that 166 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: you could tell uh Southern Cal appearances, Hey, you can 167 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: see your kid play at least twice a year maybe 168 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: down in Southern Caale It's really easy. But now you 169 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: take that out of the mix, it just makes it 170 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: a more challenging and difficult thing. And also, um without 171 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: being disrespectful, if the PAC twelve is no longer seen 172 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: as a power five and it becomes more of a 173 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: group of five field or look to it, it kind 174 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: of opens up some of the other schools out here 175 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: to kind of start recruiting against them. So before your 176 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: San Jose States and your San Diego States and those 177 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 1: things like, they always had to maybe settle for players 178 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: that were maybe a notch below. Well, now you take 179 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: away the PACT twelve mystique over Oregon, Oregan State, Washington 180 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: and some of these tools. Now it's kind of open season, 181 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: and so it changes the dynamic, It changes the way 182 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: things are viewed, and it certainly would change the kind 183 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:57,839 Speaker 1: of players that may go to those places if they 184 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: don't kind of find a way to remain relevant and 185 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 1: to kind of remain a cut above some of the 186 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: other conferences. Right. I remember when Leech got to Washington 187 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: State and a lot of times they would battle at 188 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 1: the bottom tier of the pack twell, so it would 189 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: be Oregon State, maybe one of the Arizona schools, and 190 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: that you know, hopefully for them, not Utah, and that's 191 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: what they were battling, but they could probably pull away 192 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: from the Mountain West schools certainly, you know San Diego State, 193 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: Utah State, UM, you know those Colorado State. I don't know. 194 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: If you take a kid anywhere from where we are 195 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,839 Speaker 1: south and that kid has San Diego State, which is 196 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: going into a new stadium right and UM has had 197 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: a lot of success, not just under Brety Hope, but 198 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: under Rocky Long and even before. And it has good 199 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: football history. And now you're talking about what you said 200 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: that kids family can see them play. I don't know, 201 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: not just six times a year, because you know those 202 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: are the home games, but then maybe some other, you know, 203 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: closer games. If you take the l A schools out. 204 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: If if it's the equivalent of do I go to Pullman, 205 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: do I go to court Ballast or you know, or 206 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: do I even go to Colorado to play football in 207 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: the Pack ten if that's what it is, or do 208 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 1: I stay closer to home in San Diego State. I 209 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,319 Speaker 1: think that's gonna make San Diego States certainly have a 210 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: you know, if Santigo State doesn't get roped into what 211 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: is the Pac ten Pack twelve which I think could 212 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: be a possibility because then at least it gives the 213 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 1: Pack twelve a Southern California presence. Um. I think that's 214 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: an interesting situation to you know. Subplot to this is 215 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 1: is how this works for San Diego State, whether it stays, 216 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: it doesn't get to move up, but it stays in 217 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 1: the Mountain West and then it has a more attractive 218 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: positioning to recruits, or if it gets bumped up a 219 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 1: little bit to the to whatever it becomes the Pack twelve. 220 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: I think that I in a lot of ways, I 221 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: think this is a win win for the Aztecs. Yo. 222 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: I think it's a major thing for the Aztecs. I 223 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:00,080 Speaker 1: think the Aztecs are feasting on the opportunity to know, 224 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: uh maybe have a bigger recruiting base because when you 225 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: think about San Diego State and what they've been able 226 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 1: to do is like they've been very successful. Um, they 227 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: have a new stadium that everyone is going to be 228 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: able to want, the school, this picturesque and all the 229 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: scenery and all those other things. The only thing they 230 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:19,319 Speaker 1: needed is like just more attention and them if they 231 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: can get better players and compete and you don't have 232 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 1: the Pack twelve that you're necessarily competing against. Yes, wide opening, 233 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 1: we could have uh some of those fun those fun days, 234 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:30,319 Speaker 1: like those fun days where Marshall Falk and all those 235 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: guys were back there and it was kind of like 236 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:33,680 Speaker 1: the wild wild West and they were lightening up school boys. 237 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: This has been a really good program for a long time, 238 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: and so I'm just curious. But if we think about 239 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 1: the packs, well, naturally, the next thing is, well, what 240 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 1: is going to happen with the A C C Being 241 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: a a SEC fan haven't played in North Carolina. My 242 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: thing is like, well, they have to get Notre Dame. 243 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: If they don't get Notre Dame, to a SEC falls apart. 244 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:55,679 Speaker 1: So what do you think is going to happen there 245 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: when it comes to a CEC and Notre Dame. I 246 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 1: think the Notre Dame is his guy obviously got the 247 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: most leverage of all the people who are not affiliated 248 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: with the two power leagues right now, and I say 249 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,439 Speaker 1: two Power, I think it is the big ten in 250 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,959 Speaker 1: the SEC. Certainly they have the big TV money, they 251 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: have the most desirable um brands. Notre Dame to me, 252 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 1: feels like it would be more likely to me, I'm 253 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: not saying this has been anything imminent. I just think 254 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: they end up going into a league. I think it's 255 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: more stable and there will be a lot more money 256 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 1: for Notre Dame on a TV deal in the Big Tent. 257 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: I really think, you know, right now, I think the 258 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: A c C members are making somewhere in the low 259 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:43,599 Speaker 1: thirty millions per school, which is I don't know, that 260 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 1: might be a third of what the Big Tent is 261 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 1: gonna get next time, you know, and that's before Notre 262 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: Dame is in there, so God, Notre Dame is probably 263 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: even richer than that. So Notre Dame geographically probably is 264 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: a better fit certainly, you know, with there in Chicago. 265 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: A lot of these are you know, Chicago area, and 266 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: a lot of drives for them. And I'm not saying 267 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: you can't make some of those drives, but it's just 268 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: I just feel like it it's probably more of a 269 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: fit for the Big Ten. And then you take the 270 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: additional piece of this where there's this grant of rights 271 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: that's locked in for A c C schools, but Notre 272 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: Dame doesn't. Notre Dame doesn't have that component as it 273 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: relates to football, so it's not likely prohibitive for them 274 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: to get out. From my understanding, how much you would 275 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: costs them to separate. I know Notre Dame loves use 276 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 1: of its independence. I think at some point they will 277 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: look and say, you know, just there's too many factors 278 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: pushing us in the direction of we can't afford to 279 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: not join the big time going forward. I think that's 280 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 1: what will Okay, so let's look at it this way. 281 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: That that that that hurtsmal heart that Notre Dame has 282 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: played every sport except football in the a c C, 283 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 1: they've done all these things. I know football there's a 284 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: big driving force, but I think from a football playing standpoint, 285 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 1: it probably hurts them to go into the big in 286 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,959 Speaker 1: in terms of like they're all a national title or nothing, 287 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:05,839 Speaker 1: and so in terms of like the ability to get 288 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: into the playoffs and those things. I think it's probably 289 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 1: a more difficult road if they go to the big 290 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: ten as opposed to going to the a SEC. Because 291 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: was it doing the COVID year where they kind of 292 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: played in Yeah, in the a CEC, did they win 293 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: a dead year or were they what happened there was 294 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: Trevor got hurt. So DJ played and DJ played reasonably 295 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: well against them, But I think that so much of 296 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: what happened to Notre Dame in that was, like you remember, 297 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: in the window of that it was all like, hey, 298 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: we are doing the best we can to keep this thing, 299 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: but it was like, you know, it just to me. 300 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: I think so much of it was like such an 301 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: aberration that particular season. You know, they ended up um, 302 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: you know, having like I think Clemson had their issues. 303 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: They ended up losing the room. Was it the Rose 304 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 1: Bowl they went to. I'm trying, I'm looking back at 305 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: this which one Clemson, No, like Notre Dame. Yeah, they 306 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: played Alabama in the Rose Bowl. That's what it was. 307 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: I forgot that it was actually the Rose Bowl, right, 308 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: So yeah, but it was so they got wiped out 309 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: by Clemson in the a c C Title title game rematch. 310 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 1: That's right, That's what happened. They beat him up in 311 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: Notre Dame in overtime, they come back and have to 312 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: redo it and the Clemson beast him. Because yeah, And 313 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: the reason why when I said Rose Bowl it didn't 314 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 1: sound right is because that was the year that the 315 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: Rose Bowl wasn't here because they couldn't play it. So 316 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: the Rose Bowl was technically in Jerry Jones Stadium, Texas. Yes, 317 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: that's what it was. It was in Texas because yeah, okay, 318 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: um yeah. So so with the Notre Dame thing, I 319 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: just think they have a chance to be a legitimate power, 320 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: like and if they jump into the Big Ten, now 321 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: they really got a compete on how your state is 322 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: gonna be good? Michigan State is bound in bad Michigan. 323 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: Oh the saying it would be great in terms of 324 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: their rivalry thing, but a good Notre Dame team could 325 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: end up being a seven and four or seven and 326 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: five team just based on how the conference is waited. Um, 327 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: you still got James Franklin and Penn State. I think 328 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: there there is that Whereas still as much as they 329 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: don't love this term, there's just a lot of quote 330 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: basketball schools in the A c C. Look, Maria Christaball 331 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: is recruiting very well at his alma mater now and 332 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: maybe who knows if Mike norvellill get it going, who 333 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: knows if Dion will be getting it going in tallahas 334 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: or the state used to be really good, they're not now, 335 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: Like I think you're our rivals one of your like 336 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 1: NC State is good this year. I think they'll be 337 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: really good are It pains me? But they I mean, 338 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: when I say your rival, do you immediately go to 339 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: Duke or do you go to do what? Like where's 340 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: your head taken? Uh? Well, because I grew up in rabbi, 341 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: my head always goes to NC State. But I think 342 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: most people would the basketball thing would always make it 343 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: where Duke is the rival. And you know, NC State 344 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:07,880 Speaker 1: is such a such a weird thing, right because like 345 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 1: for all of the stuff that has happened for NC State, um, 346 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,399 Speaker 1: they haven't won a basketball like a national title in 347 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 1: basketball since Jimmy V. They had one, I don't think 348 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 1: in a CEC basketball title since seven. And even as 349 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: good as their football has been Dick Sheridan and now 350 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 1: um on a Dave Dorn, they still haven't gained what 351 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: I would call that national acclaim. They've had good players 352 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: or whatever, but they just haven't been able to kind 353 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 1: of like resonate on the national scene as a team 354 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: that is like a top team team despite having a 355 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 1: lot of NFL talent that come through. Yeah, by the way, Bucky, 356 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you a compliment in directly, Um, as 357 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 1: we were talking about this, I was thinking one of 358 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: the most lopside of games I've ever seen. I was 359 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,919 Speaker 1: in I was in that area for something that was 360 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:55,679 Speaker 1: like North Carolina was playing Duke and Julius. This was 361 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 1: Julius Peppers against them, and it could have been like 362 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: ninety was like, I wonder if he was on that team, 363 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: And then I went back and looked, Oh no, no, 364 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: it's almost my age. Yeah no, no, no no. So 365 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: here's what's happened to the funny thing about the Duke 366 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: North Carolina thing is my freshman year nine. Nine was 367 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: Steve Spurrier's last year, right, Yeah, that's Ben Bennett Duke. 368 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,679 Speaker 1: Duke won the A C C. Yeah, Ben Bennett was 369 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,160 Speaker 1: a quarter back then, right, I think so Clark Stohound 370 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: was the wide receiver and those things. And so with 371 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: Steve Spurrier's last hurrah and Steve Spurrier doing Steve Spurrier stuff, 372 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: we played them always. The last game was traditional the 373 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 1: game they beat us and go get the victory built, 374 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: and rather than shake hands, they run to the auxiliary 375 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:40,679 Speaker 1: score board and take a team picture. And I remember 376 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: Coach Brown after that saying at the end of the game, 377 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: like going into the locker rooms, like would never lose 378 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: to him again, and so that started to run where man, 379 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: it was like eighteen of twenty or whatever where Carolina 380 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 1: just owned the robbery and it all started from the 381 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: Spurrier things. So what you saw was like Carolina and 382 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: for Earnest like just making sure that they always not 383 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:04,120 Speaker 1: duke around, which is funny. But back to NC State, 384 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: because I think it's funny that NC State has been 385 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:10,159 Speaker 1: able to not only get like NFL talent, like I 386 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 1: feel like they they've dominated when it comes to recruiting 387 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: defensive alignement, but their quarterback they got this year. It 388 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: pains me say he's a good and he's a good quarterback. Leary, Yeah, 389 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 1: do you remember, like you remember seeing him at a 390 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,679 Speaker 1: ladle let he was in high school. I don't like 391 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: it's so crazy because he was kind of nondescript. I 392 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: do remember him coming down and I remember to go 393 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 1: from Jersey to NC State. It's still kind of a 394 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: weird thing. Like, man, you like, how do you benefits 395 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 1: stayed from Jersey? Like that doesn't kind of but back 396 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: in the day, there used to be a pipeline Jersey 397 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: to NC State when Dick Sheridan was there, and I 398 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: was like well maybe they found a way to reconnect 399 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 1: that recruiting ship. But now I don't remember, but I 400 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: will say this man, look, he he's a killing and 401 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: getting around him at a Leader leven this summer. The 402 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 1: more I'm around him, the more I'm like, oh, he 403 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,400 Speaker 1: he has the goods in terms of like the questions 404 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: that he asked and the way that he carries himself. 405 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: He has some stuff that I think people are gonna 406 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: find real intriguing. So we're talking about Bryce Young and 407 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: people are talking about c J. Stroud. He's a guy 408 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: that I think you need to watch because to me, 409 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: he has that stuff where he could explode his final 410 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: season and he said, yeah he the ball. I remembered 411 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: it was because he did not I went so nice 412 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: saying he didn't look like much, but I just meant 413 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: he wasn't very tall, but like the ball really pumped 414 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 1: out of his hands there at that camp, like who 415 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: is he? And then you remember thinking he could be 416 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: committed ense he stay at the time and thinking well, 417 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: this is the one who up getting up by like 418 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: somebody bigger, somebody has more, you know, quarterback, you know 419 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: trying and it's not obviously Russell Wilson, you know, went 420 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: there and they've had quarterbacks would come through there, but 421 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: I just remember thinking, people, will he stay with them? 422 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: And then so we were supposed to do their ball 423 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: gaming AND's u c l A last year my TV 424 00:20:56,280 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 1: crew and the linebacker group obviously, um, you know Peyton 425 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: Wilson was a stud, but he missed almost all last year. 426 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: You know, they have three who you know, hesitant because 427 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,640 Speaker 1: I don't know how you want to categorize will Anderson's linebacker, 428 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 1: defensive end or whatever. But short of Alabama, I would 429 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 1: say they have the best linebacking corps probably in the country. 430 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: And you know, obviously they lost Icky, they lost a 431 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: couple of good running backs, but they should be man. 432 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be shocked if they won the A C 433 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: C and didn't shocking if they made a playoff because 434 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: your quarterback, Yeah, they have a good quarterback. They have 435 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: a good D D line and we've seen the recipe 436 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,360 Speaker 1: is normally you have to have an A level quarterback 437 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: and if you've got a really strong defense, particularly upfront, 438 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: where you can get to the quarterback without listening, like yeah, 439 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: that's that's that's the recipe. Um if they're explosive enough 440 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 1: on offense because I think the thing is, um, when 441 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 1: we talk about those teams in the playoffs, that has 442 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 1: to have an explosive element where they can put points 443 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: up on the board in a hurry. They some interesting thing. 444 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: But when it comes down to quarterback play, and this 445 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: year to me is fascinating because the quarterbacks in the 446 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: college football landscape, I think there are time because I'm 447 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: sure Mario crystal Ball feels good about the quarterback that 448 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:15,880 Speaker 1: he asked, young guy tier Brandyke. Yeah, like Tyler bran 449 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: Dyke can make plays. I mean we talked, we talked 450 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: about everyone's gonna talk about young and strou Those teams 451 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: are always gonna be in the conversation. Um, I mean, 452 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: just really good quarterbacks. And it's so different to talk 453 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 1: about college football this year compared to last year because 454 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 1: last year there were so many unknowns at the position. 455 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: This year, I feel like they're more brand names, but 456 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 1: I still feel like there's still gonna be some unheralded 457 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: guys that kind of pop up. Well, let's get I 458 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: would love to hear you know you you and you 459 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: talk about three particular guys in this and they're actually 460 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,160 Speaker 1: kind of guys from who are playing in your area, 461 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 1: not maybe we necessarily from your So one is Brendan 462 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: Armstrong and Virginia. He threw for a ton of guards. 463 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: He's got I feel like he's got some gun slinger 464 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,439 Speaker 1: in him, like there's a little bit of edge in 465 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: Virginia is a school that I don't know if when 466 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: I say we, I mean like a lot of college 467 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,679 Speaker 1: fool and media probably didn't talk about enough put up 468 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 1: big numbers. I don't feel like people had a great 469 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: handle on exactly what's when that Tony Elliott goes there 470 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,879 Speaker 1: was the CLEMSONOSI did a terrific job there. Should we 471 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: be paying more attention to him? The other two Grayson 472 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: mccaullach Coastal Carolina, great numbers in from a efficiency race, 473 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 1: you know, standpoint at Coastal Carolina. They have a funky 474 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: offense and he shines, and I don't know if he 475 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 1: is is he consistently accurate enough to be a big 476 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: time NFL quarterback? I'd be curious what you guys think 477 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 1: of that. Uh, you know, and he's actually from I 478 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 1: think the same area as I remember talking to Sam 479 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: how it last summer. I think they're from the same area, 480 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: worked out together. And the third guy is that wait 481 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 1: for us, and that's Sam Hartman, who was really good, 482 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,879 Speaker 1: also a very funky system. We know they do the 483 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 1: slow mash and he doesn't tont of you know, there's 484 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 1: a ton of different stuff going on with that. Those 485 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: are three guys who I think are all elite college quarterbacks. 486 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 1: My guess is Brennan were in Strong were probably the 487 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: most attractive of the Yeah, and if i'll prospect, which 488 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: you know, how you see those guys. You know, I 489 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,160 Speaker 1: think there's a lot of intrigue over the Virginia quarterback 490 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,199 Speaker 1: because of what Tony Yelli can do and how he 491 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 1: can unlock him in terms of letting him, uh throw 492 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: it all around the yard. And when you think about 493 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 1: Tony Eelli and the quarterbacks have come through the way 494 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: that Clemson has been able to kind of get those 495 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 1: guys up and running with I would call easy completions. Yeah, 496 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: they're talented, but it's also been a game that's very 497 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: easy for them. I think he'll benefit from that. And 498 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,120 Speaker 1: you're right, on a national scale, most people don't talk 499 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 1: about Virginia. For me, having played in the A C 500 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 1: C and remembering, look, there's a time when Virginia was 501 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: number one Virginia when I was in school, like Hermon 502 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 1: Moore and Seawn Moore, all those guys, and then after that, 503 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: like they had Terry Kirby and all those guys, Like 504 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 1: there was a run where Virginia was like a big 505 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,199 Speaker 1: time team. And so we have seen it happen. And 506 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised to see Tony Elliott be able 507 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: to get a go point immediately because you have a quarterback, 508 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 1: and if you have a quarterback, they always have skill guys, 509 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 1: and so it's always been a matter of can they 510 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 1: get that part going. So I think he is one 511 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 1: of those guys where in the last couple of years 512 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: where we're seen the Joe Burrows and the Kenney pictus 513 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: of the world kind of like that, and he Pickett 514 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 1: did it, um Zack Wilson did it in the pandemic 515 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 1: year from me like, yeah, I don't know who it is, 516 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: you know, it could be one of those two guys 517 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: like Leary already kind of blew up. It's just we 518 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 1: in the media haven't you know, recognized it enough. I 519 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: don't know if like Keaton Slovis at Pitt. I don't 520 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 1: know if J. T. Daniels reunited with Graham Harrow at 521 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: West Virginia. Now if it's like like there's a lot 522 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: to get it, like that backyard brawl game. It's like 523 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 1: the two USC quarterbacks playing playing each other against you know, 524 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 1: West Virginia pitt. I'm excited. It's an early season game, 525 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 1: you know, Like I think Will Levis is gonna be 526 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,400 Speaker 1: fun to watch. You know, he had yeah big, he's strong. 527 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: Did a breakdown him like you know, a couple of 528 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: weeks back. But he's got the big arm and he's physical. 529 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 1: And just the second year, it's like a second offensive coordinator. 530 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: And in two years at Kentucky and I don't know 531 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 1: if they have a receiver form. So yeah, but you know, 532 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: like it's funny about Kentucky, right like Kentucky. Um, there's 533 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: always the buzz about about the kid. And I think Kentucky, 534 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,360 Speaker 1: he quietly is putting out these pros that you look 535 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 1: at me like, oh, I didn't know he played a 536 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 1: Kentucky Oh he oh. And and so um Steves has 537 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 1: done a really good job of getting this program, uh 538 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,360 Speaker 1: to the point where they're beyond competitive, but they're kind 539 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: of knocking on the door to kind of get into 540 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: the conversation as one of the heavyweights in the SEC 541 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 1: because it consistency. But you are right, I do want 542 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 1: if they have a pass catcher, someone that can come 543 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: in and just give them the steady production. Because they 544 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 1: have a great quarterback and not have the playmakers, it 545 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: can't impact them. And I think about Sam how losing 546 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 1: his players in North Carolina on the perimeter certainly impacted 547 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 1: his ability to do he did the previous year, So 548 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 1: we'll see if that has a similar effect. And going 549 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 1: going back to McCall, because you brought him up from 550 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: coast to Carolina, I think he's an interesting case study 551 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: in terms of the offense and evaluated is being able 552 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,719 Speaker 1: to use their imagination because the offense is really what 553 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: I would call a modernized triple option offense. I think 554 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: they've done a really good job of doing those things 555 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,199 Speaker 1: that put defenders and conflict and whether you call it 556 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: r P O S or regular option stuff, they do 557 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: a lot of things that allow the quarterback to be aggressive. Uh, 558 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 1: as a quick decision maker, can you, as an evaluator 559 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 1: look at McCall and said, you know what, I think 560 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,679 Speaker 1: there's a path for him to have success at a 561 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 1: high level in the league, but we might have to 562 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 1: tweak some of the things that he's doing. But that offense, 563 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 1: I mean, we've seen that offense has given people problems 564 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: for years, and he's been a big part of like 565 00:27:55,880 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 1: there kind of emergence, uh in that league. I'm interested 566 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 1: when you have like and I don't want to compare him, 567 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,159 Speaker 1: Like the only reason I'm bringing this name up is 568 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 1: just because he was just a Lamar Jackson was a 569 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: generational talent at Louis O and won the Heisman, and 570 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 1: it's like, you know whatever, like how he fits. Like 571 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 1: obviously the Ravens have done a really good job, and 572 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: I think they've done also a good job. Like I 573 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: love Tyler Huntley coming out. I'm not saying I thought 574 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: he was gonna but he's art. If you ask me 575 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,640 Speaker 1: who's the toughest quarterback you've ever been around, I'm saying him. 576 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,880 Speaker 1: And he's not even like it's not tough in terms 577 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:34,439 Speaker 1: of like he's not a big pound, but he was 578 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: really good and so they plugged him in, as you know, 579 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: here's the guy who's gonna be the understudy kind of thing. 580 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: It's not like we're taking Matt Parkley over there and say, oh, yeah, 581 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: we're gonna go from Lamar and Matt can get us 582 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: out of a game, but we're not gonna do the 583 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: same stuff. I don't know if anybody in the NFL 584 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: looks at and says, all right, this guy is so 585 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: talented that we're gonna major in what they did there 586 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: to translate, as opposed to, like you said, we're gonna 587 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 1: tweak some things that he does, which I think probably 588 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 1: is realistic, as opposed to we're gonn tweet some things 589 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 1: that we do to to to because we love him 590 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 1: so much, you know, and I could be wrong. Maybe 591 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: you know, maybe he will. Yeah, I think to me, man, 592 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: I think I think the league is going to that. 593 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: I think the way the college game is training, because 594 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 1: so many guys are getting on the field early, and 595 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: because so many offenses are are showing you that you 596 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 1: can play with different style athletes at the position, I 597 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 1: think you're seeing more NFL teams you that look no, 598 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 1: I mean, look, you know Jalen Hurts in Philadelphia and 599 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: the way that they basically took Oklahoma's offense have just 600 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 1: made it their own. Because when I look at the 601 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: Eagles play they're running parts of Lincoln Riley's run game. 602 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: I'm seeing counter gt with bubble screens and fly sweeps 603 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 1: and misdirection where he's doing the same things that he 604 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: was tasked with doing at Oklahoma. And I think the 605 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 1: great play calls in the National Football League are willing 606 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: to do that. They're willing to take the talent and say, Okay, 607 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 1: here's what he does really well. I'm a finder way 608 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 1: to put him in a say, where he's always playing 609 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: to his strengths while he learns how to play maybe 610 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: traditional quarterback in a year or two. I think that's 611 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 1: the modern way. I think that's the way that it 612 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 1: has to be if you're gonna play with so many 613 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 1: of these quarterbacks that we're seeing that are great athletes, 614 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 1: but they're doing it maybe non traditional systems. Yeah, and 615 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 1: I even think, like I did one NFL game as 616 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 1: a sideline reporter. It was, um, Josh Allen's rookie year. 617 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 1: You know, Josh Allen was running all over the place, right, 618 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 1: And so I give day Ball a lot of credit. 619 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 1: I mean some of the stuff they did now you 620 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: has like maybe you want to call it like a 621 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: get out of jail free card. Once they got, you know, 622 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 1: digs out there because he's such a right so that 623 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 1: I think that creates another like it. I feel like 624 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 1: we're in the media would like end up just saying, Okay, 625 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 1: this is the o c this is the offense, and 626 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 1: you just kind of forget how good Like what a 627 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: difference some of these guys are viewers, and the dynamic 628 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 1: it changes, And I think we're so used to just like, Okay, 629 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 1: this is what they do, this is their off pens, 630 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: as opposed to like, well, because this guy's drawing so 631 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: much attention, this opens up all this other stuff, you know, 632 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 1: and so it's just I don't know, it's kind of 633 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 1: fascinating to watch, how as you know you know better 634 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 1: than me. How just when you have such special talent 635 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 1: out there, you you gotta take advantage of it. Like 636 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 1: I'm I will I become more of an Eagles fan 637 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: because Jalen Hurts is there. Not because I think Jalen Hurts, 638 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 1: you know, but I just think he is. It's fun 639 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 1: to see somebody who was so successful in college and 640 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: was such a strong personality. Aybody's ever run around strong 641 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:40,719 Speaker 1: personality coaches kid times ten and you know, you know, 642 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: like he's somebody I pull for, and I was like, 643 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 1: I'm glad they're doing what they're doing there because I 644 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 1: think five years ago, maybe unless it's maybe Andyry, but 645 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: five years ago, ten years ago, like the NFL doesn't 646 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: recognize it and they just too rigid, and maybe that 647 00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: guy doesn't flourish. I think you're right. I think Jalen 648 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 1: Hurst doing that. I think with Baltimore has done doubling 649 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: down on the athletic quarterback Lamar Jackson and Tyler Huntley 650 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:11,959 Speaker 1: being able to say, hey man, this is our system. 651 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: We're going to run a very collegiate like system with 652 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 1: the quarterback heavily involved in the run game, and we're 653 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 1: going to make sure that everyone in the quarterback room 654 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 1: can run exactly the same thing. We haven't seen that, 655 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 1: and so uh it has been fun to see different 656 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 1: styles on Sunday because normally that's just a Saturday game, 657 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 1: like the college football game is one where you can 658 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 1: tune in and watch triple option and power spread and 659 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 1: maybe a traditional old school like a Stanford and someone 660 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 1: that is doing something completely off the wall, like you 661 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 1: talked about Wake Forest or Coast to Carolina. I think 662 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 1: that's why a lot of us are really college football 663 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 1: fans because the contrasting styles make for good matchups and 664 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 1: compelling matches when we see some of these games being 665 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 1: in the regular season but also in the postseason. Yeah, 666 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: I mean I just as a as a as a 667 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: brand of both. But the thing that I'm always taken 668 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 1: by when I see NFL, it's just like the raw 669 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 1: physicality and sometimes you see, especially defensive players, it's just 670 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 1: jaw dropping, you know, somebody's on the sideline for college games, Um, 671 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 1: it's just so you go to Alabama game. I remember 672 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 1: being there one spring when a Sean Robinson was there 673 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 1: and I was like, this looks like a thirty year 674 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: old man, you know, like because really look like it. 675 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 1: It's just like and that was you know, he was 676 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 1: on the same team with Derrick Henry was a running 677 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 1: back there. You know, he just kind of looked at 678 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 1: these I think, um, maybe it was a year after C. J. 679 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 1: Mosley left, but I was just like, this is a 680 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 1: different team and like, you know, because saving built it 681 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: like an NFL operation, but like most college teams are 682 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 1: not like that, and so I think it's you know 683 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 1: that I think that's one of the things that's so 684 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 1: fun about it is there's just so many different flavors 685 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 1: you get in college and it's good to see some 686 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 1: of it. I'm not saying all of it, but it's 687 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,080 Speaker 1: good to see some of it. Is kind of finding 688 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 1: a path in the NFL. I'm so glad that you 689 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 1: brought up the Saving thing and how Saving runs his 690 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 1: thing like an NFL team. The next thing that I 691 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: was gonna ask you, maybe the final thing that was 692 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:12,480 Speaker 1: gonna ask you, is, Um, this phenomenon of hiring a 693 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: general manager to oversee the football operation. I just saw 694 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 1: Auburn hired a friend of mine, Drew Fabriana, to be 695 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 1: their general manager. Um, what is behind this trend and 696 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 1: how do you expect it to continue to kind of 697 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,239 Speaker 1: permeate and filter through college football? Bucky. One of the 698 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 1: hardest things right now in college football. I think if 699 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 1: you talked to any coach and they were honest about it, 700 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,760 Speaker 1: would be roster management. Coaches, as you know, are super 701 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:46,240 Speaker 1: heavy as control freaks, and they look at what there. 702 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,799 Speaker 1: You know, you go into any um team room where 703 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 1: the staff meets, and there will be there'll be name 704 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 1: plates on the board and they'll be you know, highway 705 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,799 Speaker 1: the kids, kids name, and the class that they're in 706 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 1: is usually the I neated by different color color plates, 707 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: you know, and it can vary school to school. One 708 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:09,920 Speaker 1: school the seniors maybe green, another school that the freshman 709 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 1: maybe green. But part of that is how are we 710 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,360 Speaker 1: managing what we're gonna have two years from now, because 711 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,920 Speaker 1: they usually have a good feel for Okay, these offensive 712 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 1: linemen who are freshmen, we probably missed, you know, either 713 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 1: the player um physically is not developing, or they're not 714 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:27,840 Speaker 1: committed to it, or maybe they just found out the 715 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,360 Speaker 1: kid just count. You know. I can't really process the 716 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,759 Speaker 1: way they hope, but whatever it is, they are trying 717 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,400 Speaker 1: to manage their five and they're looking at it two 718 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 1: years out. And I think the hardest thing now because 719 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 1: of the portal. You know, you take Georgia Tech for example, 720 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,839 Speaker 1: Jeff Collins, who was a Nick Saban disciple. Yeah, over 721 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 1: Paul Johnson. It's a funky transition because of Paul Johnson 722 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,279 Speaker 1: triple option offense. That's not what Jeff Collins run. So 723 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,279 Speaker 1: obviously it's not going to be seamless. He had recruited 724 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,960 Speaker 1: one of the most talented players in the country, and 725 00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,160 Speaker 1: that kid, Jamar Gibbs, was terrific for two years year 726 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,319 Speaker 1: Georgia Tech was awful, but he was really good. And 727 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,319 Speaker 1: then he transferred to Alabama. You know, how do you 728 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,719 Speaker 1: manage that where all of a sudden, it's like, you know, 729 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 1: he's a running back, so you hope you're gonna get 730 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 1: you know, like more than three years out of him. 731 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,480 Speaker 1: But at the same time, because so many players in 732 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,400 Speaker 1: the portal, you're constantly having to recruit guys on your roster, 733 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 1: and I think to know who's out there. I mean, 734 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 1: I talked to one of the coaches at Florida State 735 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,840 Speaker 1: on Friday and we were talking about UM the players 736 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 1: on their defense, and one of the players who came 737 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,600 Speaker 1: in for them played at Albany State. Albany State, not 738 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:38,000 Speaker 1: the one you know that that in Georgia, Albany State, 739 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,480 Speaker 1: the one that almost never has any college football players 740 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,879 Speaker 1: in New York. They had a really good UM edge 741 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,360 Speaker 1: rusher who played for the same guy that was a 742 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,479 Speaker 1: position coach for Aaron Donald at pitt And that kid 743 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 1: was a big became a big free agent because he 744 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 1: was transferred out of out of the off the Great 745 00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 1: Danes program to go somewhere big in Florida State. On him, 746 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,600 Speaker 1: And I think so the challenges who is on your radar? 747 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,040 Speaker 1: You know, and then you find out when their names 748 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 1: going the portal. They don't say, hey, this player was 749 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,360 Speaker 1: a nightmare in the locker room, or this player you 750 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,160 Speaker 1: know is on all sorts of medication and may not 751 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 1: be you know, you may have a lot of challenges 752 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,759 Speaker 1: with him emotionally, or you know, this player was on 753 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,279 Speaker 1: lists all the time. You don't know why they're in 754 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 1: the portal. You don't know how maybe the player. Maybe 755 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 1: the player just really just needed to change the scenery 756 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,719 Speaker 1: and he can flourish at a new stop. But I 757 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:41,279 Speaker 1: think for the general management general manager role, especially when 758 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 1: you're talking about like your buddy coming from the NFL, 759 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 1: so I think he has done a lot of the due, 760 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,799 Speaker 1: diligent stuff that knows Okay, yeah, this kid might be 761 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,600 Speaker 1: really athletic, but how is he gonna fit when we 762 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,759 Speaker 1: get him like characterized? What are the challenge Like, I 763 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 1: think those are the questions. I mean, would he work 764 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,959 Speaker 1: in the NFL for twenty right? So, so he's well 765 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,360 Speaker 1: versed in that and that makes him an asset. Sometimes 766 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 1: the general managers aren't guys who came from the NFL 767 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,280 Speaker 1: so they may not look at it through the same prism. 768 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,719 Speaker 1: They may look at it through you know, here's our 769 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,839 Speaker 1: coordinating visits. You know, some general managers, like I know 770 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,959 Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley made an interesting higher in the last month. 771 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,919 Speaker 1: He hired Dave Emeric, who was Mike Leech's right hand 772 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 1: man from the time he got to took over a 773 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:27,600 Speaker 1: Texas Tech and Dave Emeric was very involved in Mike 774 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:33,520 Speaker 1: and leeches um staffing hires and would people on Leeches radar, Hey, 775 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,440 Speaker 1: this is the guy I think we should hire as 776 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,520 Speaker 1: a new cornerbacks coach, or this is the guy as 777 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:41,640 Speaker 1: the d line guy, this guy so on what school 778 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,439 Speaker 1: and who the person is. But sometimes some of these 779 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,200 Speaker 1: gms are very involved in that they can be in 780 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:52,160 Speaker 1: loved book like and is huge for how they are 781 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,399 Speaker 1: going for because it is so much harder now than 782 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,440 Speaker 1: it was just a year ago. Yeah, I think it's 783 00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,560 Speaker 1: It's fascinating and it's one of those things where I'm 784 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,240 Speaker 1: really at it because there are a lot of guys 785 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,080 Speaker 1: that I spent years and years on the road with 786 00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,600 Speaker 1: that are getting opportunities. I think it's a unique position. 787 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,080 Speaker 1: But I think if done the right way, I think 788 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,880 Speaker 1: you can tie together where you have in NFL like 789 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,360 Speaker 1: operation that really encompasses all the things that you have 790 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,839 Speaker 1: to do in college. I think the one thing that 791 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,480 Speaker 1: I think you have to do in college is you 792 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:26,239 Speaker 1: almost have to have two things working simultaneously. You have 793 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,840 Speaker 1: to have a great what I would call player development 794 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:34,160 Speaker 1: skill development program where your weight room, your coaches that 795 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,680 Speaker 1: are dedicated to really working on the skills to build 796 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,399 Speaker 1: your players up, your young guys that come in. All 797 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,840 Speaker 1: of that is working on one hand, and then I 798 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,799 Speaker 1: think you have to have the other part, which is 799 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,680 Speaker 1: almost like operating like NFL free agency, where you're in 800 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,600 Speaker 1: the portal and you have a clear understanding of what 801 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 1: the roster needs and you're able to go and find 802 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:59,480 Speaker 1: players that fit that immediate need. And the challenge in 803 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,479 Speaker 1: the FAIL has always been when it comes to looking 804 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,440 Speaker 1: at free agency is not only how do people culturally 805 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 1: fit in terms of the locker room, but scheme fit? 806 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,560 Speaker 1: Does this player fit our scheme? I think if the 807 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,240 Speaker 1: general manager at the collegiate level is able to clearly 808 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,399 Speaker 1: understand this is how we play or how we want 809 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,440 Speaker 1: to play, cannot then go find players in the portal 810 00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:23,879 Speaker 1: that fit exactly how we want to play, so now 811 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,520 Speaker 1: when they come in they can jump right on the 812 00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,440 Speaker 1: field and have a seamless transition. The general managers who 813 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,480 Speaker 1: are able to live in both of those worlds, I 814 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,000 Speaker 1: think are the ones that will be worth their way 815 00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,120 Speaker 1: to go. And I think their teams that they're in 816 00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,200 Speaker 1: charge of are the ones that are gonna win and 817 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,560 Speaker 1: win at a high level. Yeah, I think it's interesting 818 00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,960 Speaker 1: how people use the portal. Like I would look at 819 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,400 Speaker 1: like Washington State coaching transition. There the defensive coordinator becomes 820 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,440 Speaker 1: a head coach. What he did do is higher two coordinators, 821 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,120 Speaker 1: one Eric Morris, who was a leached guy but had 822 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:57,600 Speaker 1: been the head coach at Incarnate Word. Eric Morris broad 823 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,799 Speaker 1: his quarterback Cam Cameron Ward, who at a phenomenal last year, 824 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,080 Speaker 1: and they think, like, you know, he's gonna push Caleb 825 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,240 Speaker 1: Williams to be arguably the best quarterback in the packtroll. 826 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,719 Speaker 1: So he knows the system already, the coaches work, and 827 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,359 Speaker 1: obviously there's gonna be a big difference to go from 828 00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,920 Speaker 1: I think in the Southland Conference in FCS to the 829 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,560 Speaker 1: Pack twelve. But he also got his receiver with him 830 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,120 Speaker 1: was a good slot receiver and a good fit and 831 00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,080 Speaker 1: a good return guy. And then on defense they have 832 00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,799 Speaker 1: the defensive corna came from Nevada where he had two 833 00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,280 Speaker 1: really good players, a linebacker especially, so they know the system. 834 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,960 Speaker 1: But I think what they have done is they've said, 835 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:34,520 Speaker 1: you know what, we're gonna take players. I think they 836 00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,480 Speaker 1: have an offensive lineman from like FCS or maybe even 837 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,879 Speaker 1: Division two they took and they're like, Okay, we're gonna 838 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:44,000 Speaker 1: put a premium on because the head coach there, uh 839 00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,399 Speaker 1: Dig Dickert, has coached at all three, you know, all 840 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,160 Speaker 1: levels of college up on his feeling is you know, 841 00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,799 Speaker 1: I don't think there's a huge difference between as much 842 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,440 Speaker 1: of a difference as people think there is in the 843 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,600 Speaker 1: level of football. Now. There's a difference obviously between like 844 00:41:55,920 --> 00:42:00,160 Speaker 1: FCS and Alabama, But if you look at some if 845 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:04,280 Speaker 1: they played a lot, they're probably accountable, they're probably reliable, 846 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,440 Speaker 1: They probably you know, have some toughness to him, as 847 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,040 Speaker 1: opposed to, oh, this guy was a highly rated kid 848 00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:12,480 Speaker 1: out of high school. He's not really played though, you know, anywhere. 849 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,600 Speaker 1: And also you're like, oh, we're projecting to see how 850 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,600 Speaker 1: he's gonna fit. Maybe there's a reason why he wasn't playing, 851 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,279 Speaker 1: whereas all right, this guy was a starter and he's 852 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,320 Speaker 1: an All Conference player two years at the very least, 853 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,920 Speaker 1: he can be in our rotation and being a contributor. 854 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:26,960 Speaker 1: He may not, he may not be an NFL prospect, 855 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,959 Speaker 1: but he can be better than what we had because 856 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,320 Speaker 1: we can rely on them. And I think, so there's 857 00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,480 Speaker 1: that part. But then there's the other part, which is 858 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,000 Speaker 1: from the NFL. Is if you're looking at like high 859 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,600 Speaker 1: school line prospects and you're not at the top twenty 860 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:45,359 Speaker 1: five program, you're looking to project hundred and thirty five 861 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,279 Speaker 1: pound kids, say, all right, what's gonna look like in 862 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,879 Speaker 1: three years? Is it worth us to think that kid 863 00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,040 Speaker 1: can be too ninety? Or you know what, maybe that 864 00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,359 Speaker 1: kid is never gonna, you know, commit to it like 865 00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,839 Speaker 1: we need to. And I think those are the those 866 00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:59,880 Speaker 1: are gonna be the harder questions because right now, I 867 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,080 Speaker 1: think with the way the portal is, I don't know 868 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:08,080 Speaker 1: how patient people are going to be to develop. Yeah, 869 00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,400 Speaker 1: And the other thing with that, as you close it 870 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,799 Speaker 1: out is not only do you have the patience, but 871 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,239 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a situation where you're like Georgia Tech, 872 00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,080 Speaker 1: where you have a guy that you get up and 873 00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,040 Speaker 1: running you finally get him to the point where he's 874 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,400 Speaker 1: good enough, and then the biggest school comes in and 875 00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,360 Speaker 1: swoops swoops in and takes him. That has to be 876 00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,120 Speaker 1: the frustrating part. And so I think there's where some 877 00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,920 Speaker 1: of the reluctance will happen, because you pour everything into 878 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,200 Speaker 1: a player, you development, and you get them really up 879 00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,320 Speaker 1: to the level where now you're like, man, we have 880 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:36,960 Speaker 1: them for two more years. He's gonna be a great 881 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,000 Speaker 1: player for us. And then someone else is like, oh great, 882 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:41,440 Speaker 1: we'll take it from him and get him to the 883 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,839 Speaker 1: next level. That's the challenge, and I'm sure that's gonna 884 00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,920 Speaker 1: lead to a lot of frustration from some coaches, and 885 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:48,399 Speaker 1: it may leave something to be like, you know what, 886 00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,560 Speaker 1: we just may live in the transfer porter, which kind 887 00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,399 Speaker 1: of sucks for the high schoolers, but uh, the way 888 00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,359 Speaker 1: the money is flying off the shelves when it comes 889 00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,520 Speaker 1: to the college game, you kind of have to do 890 00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,600 Speaker 1: what you have to do when it comes to that. Yeah, 891 00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,000 Speaker 1: I mean, like on that end, Bucky, I moved the 892 00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:03,960 Speaker 1: Freaks list that we do every year, and I've been 893 00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:07,560 Speaker 1: doing it for I don't know, coming up on twenty years. 894 00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:10,640 Speaker 1: I mean like almost mid August because from talking to 895 00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,680 Speaker 1: coaches who are at like the group of five level, 896 00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,640 Speaker 1: there are guys who are hesitant to give me, you know, 897 00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,640 Speaker 1: the real thing other guys because if I do it 898 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:23,680 Speaker 1: in the spring, they know those guys are gonna get poached. Yeah. 899 00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:28,000 Speaker 1: I had this conversation with um I say, Jeff Trailer. 900 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:29,759 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say Jeff Trailer from U T. S A. 901 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,799 Speaker 1: I'm like, you really have a cornerback who's six four 902 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:35,800 Speaker 1: and runs four three two and has like arms that 903 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,759 Speaker 1: are like nineties six inches long. Well they didn't quite 904 00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,920 Speaker 1: that long, but like you look at the measurables of 905 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,640 Speaker 1: what that kid had, You're like, why is he not 906 00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:48,680 Speaker 1: in the big twelve at least or in the SEC? 907 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,040 Speaker 1: And if the school say, hey, you know what, I 908 00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,600 Speaker 1: know that staff, those two staffs were committed to you 909 00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:56,520 Speaker 1: and did a good job developing you. But wouldn't you 910 00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,160 Speaker 1: rather play in Austin and run out, you know and 911 00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,960 Speaker 1: when the burn orange and be on the stage. Yeah? Yeah, 912 00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:04,920 Speaker 1: that makes it hard, man, It makes it hard. And 913 00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,320 Speaker 1: I do understand, like why you kind of want to 914 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,600 Speaker 1: keep things private and you don't want to see it. Uh, 915 00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,040 Speaker 1: It's fascinating. And this was fascinating. Man. I love I 916 00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:14,960 Speaker 1: love college football, so I love anytime I get an 917 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,640 Speaker 1: opportunity to pick your brain for an hour. Uh, it's great. 918 00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,600 Speaker 1: Thanks so much, man, Uh for coming on. Bruce Fellman 919 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:24,160 Speaker 1: from The Athletic Freaksists coming out. Yeah it's coming out 920 00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:30,560 Speaker 1: mid August. Yeah weeks or so cool man, thanks so 921 00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:32,279 Speaker 1: much for going on. We're gonna have to get you 922 00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,719 Speaker 1: on again. With my partner DJs on it, we can 923 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:36,480 Speaker 1: ask you a bunch of different questions about what's going 924 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,960 Speaker 1: on in college football. I appreciate looking forward to it. 925 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,480 Speaker 1: Thanks Buck. All right, man, Hey, that's it, Uh for 926 00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,520 Speaker 1: the podcast today. Guys, make sure you tune in Thursday. 927 00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,800 Speaker 1: We got another episode brewing. We'll talk to you. So 928 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:05,800 Speaker 1: I went to he