1 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk. 2 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 2: Hi. 3 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 3: Everyone, Welcome to Mother Knows Death. Today, we're going to 4 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 3: talk about some news stories we've been following on Mother 5 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 3: Knows Death with our new guest to the show, our friend, 6 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 3: Scott Duffy. Scott is a retired FBI Supervisory Special Agent 7 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 3: who supervised the Violent Crimes Task Force squad that investigated 8 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 3: gang violence, banking, commercial robberies, and juvenile sex trafficking. He 9 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 3: was also a municipal police officer in Pennsylvania for six years. 10 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 3: Scott is currently a director for Wilmington University's Criminal Justice 11 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 3: Institute in Delaware, and you may have seen him as 12 00:00:55,520 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 3: a crime analyst on Fox, CNN and News Nation. Hi Scott, 13 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 3: Welcome to the show. 14 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 1: Hello Nicole, Thanks for having me. Hi, Maria, Hello, are 15 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 1: you a couple of weeks? 16 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 3: I know, I am so excited to talk to you 17 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 3: because that whole Nancy Guthrie interview came out today, but 18 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 3: we'll get into that a little bit later. I don't 19 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 3: even know if you've got a chance to watch it. Yeah, 20 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 3: but we want to ask you some questions just about 21 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 3: what it's like being in the FBI, because I think 22 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 3: most of us know people that are cops, but we 23 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 3: don't really know a lot of FBI agents in real life. 24 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 3: And I have questions too, so like, how do you 25 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 3: get into it? So you used you were a cop 26 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 3: right at some point? 27 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was a police officer for almost six years 28 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: before I became an FBI agent, which you do not 29 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: have to go through that track. I did so many 30 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,639 Speaker 1: different tracks to get into the FBI. 31 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 3: And was that when you were a police officer. Did 32 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 3: you think that that's what you wanted to do or 33 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 3: did you kind of get the idea once you were 34 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 3: already working. 35 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, and Nicole, I had an FBI agent I think 36 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: came into my class when I was fourth or fifth grade, 37 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: and then we had police officers from the town that 38 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: I grew up, Nowalk, Connecticut, and so also living next 39 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: to a Nowalk police officer, I really got to see 40 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:22,359 Speaker 1: that that was something I want to do. And that 41 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: was really early in life. So it's it's been on 42 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: my mind to do one or both for as long 43 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: as I can remember. 44 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 2: So, when you were a police officer, did they recruit 45 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 2: you or did you just kind of stumble into it 46 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 2: on your own? 47 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: Did. I definitely stumbled into it. It's an into the 48 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: department that I ended up joining. So I started off 49 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: in a Catholic seminary. Yeah, and hence, you know, I 50 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: think we'll get into a little bit later of my 51 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: connection to task, but the I was in the seminary 52 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: and the knowing that I wanted to be a police 53 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 1: officer and then trying to deal with that split role 54 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: if you want to this calling so to speak. And 55 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,799 Speaker 1: so after a couple of years that I realized, Okay, no, 56 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: I definitely want to go into the law enforcement track. 57 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: And so I was just applying, applying to any department 58 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: that had an opening and would offer me an interview. 59 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: In Lower Marion is where I ended up and the 60 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: just fantastic partnership. 61 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 2: So how does that work? 62 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 3: Do you have to when you go there's obviously lots 63 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 3: of different branches of it that you could go into. 64 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 3: Do you decide what you like and then go into it, 65 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 3: or do you start working there and then say, oh, 66 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 3: I would rather work in this particular field because you 67 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 3: have narcotics and you have some of the stuff that 68 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 3: you were doing with the sex trafficking, Like, how did 69 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 3: you fall into that? Exact track. 70 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I would say both in local law enforcement 71 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: as well as will definite in the FBI. And it's 72 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: interesting as you're asking that, because I was just at 73 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: a career day at a local high school here, so 74 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: and the kids were fantastic asking what led you into 75 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 1: and where what can I do when I get in there, 76 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: because there's a lot of forensic young students, young forensic 77 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,919 Speaker 1: minded students and that don't want to go to the 78 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: track of a special agent but want to get into 79 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 1: the forensic aspect. And I was like, well, the FBI 80 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: is a place to be with regards to so many 81 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 1: different avenues of our labs. So you get into the 82 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: FBI and pretty much and the NBI does recruiting, so 83 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: they're looking for specialized individuals as well. But then I 84 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: went through the diversified program. The diversified program, I'll just 85 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: give you like an example. They're the CPA track, there's 86 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 1: the JD the lawyer track. There are specific forensic tracks, 87 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: language tracks that they are recruiting looking for, and then 88 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: you can go in that track. So under the diversified program, 89 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: pretty much what gets you into the FBI. You have 90 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 1: to have a bachelor's and It might have changed because 91 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: it changes, it tries to adapt to getting recruitments. It 92 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 1: was five years work and experience at the time that 93 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: I was going through. Then it dropped at three. It 94 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: might be two, and ultimately that's two years working full 95 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: time in anything. It doesn't have to be in any 96 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 1: particular type of work. It's a diversified program, and ultimately 97 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: they're looking for leadership, integrity, things that are going to 98 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: help you excel in case management because you really are 99 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: as a case manager a case agent, you're really leading 100 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: that case on your own without a whole lot of help, 101 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: and even as as a young agent. So you graduate 102 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: from the FBI Academy down in Quantico, you then get 103 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 1: assigned to one of fifty six field offices in the 104 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 1: United States, and depending on that field office, small or larger, 105 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: whatever have you. You know, the special agent charge is 106 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: going to have those young recruits. Hey, you're going to 107 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: do X amount of time and a violent crime violent 108 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: crimes against children's squad. It could be a counter terrorism squad, 109 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: it could be a white collar squad, a whole bunch 110 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: of different types of squads and you're just getting your 111 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 1: feet wet. And then typically it's you might have a 112 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 1: supervisor that's vouching for you say hey, I want this 113 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: kid and so forth, and then that's where you may start. 114 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: Rarely does someone get to raise their hand and say hey, 115 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: I want to do this first, unless there's a dire 116 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: need and nobody else's wanted to go into that, that 117 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: new agent's probably going to get that spot, and then 118 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: pretty much which the way it works is, hey, you 119 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 1: work something, you work it till you feel like you're 120 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: pretty good at it, and then you either stay with 121 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: it or you're like, no, I want to try that squad, 122 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: and then you wait for an opening. And the way 123 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: the FBI is with regards to people being promoted and 124 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: moving about the United States into different programs, that a 125 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: spot could open up pretty quick. 126 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 2: Do you feel that the high school students had a 127 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 2: realistic idea of what that might look like instead of 128 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:32,119 Speaker 2: what they see on TV? 129 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: No, I think they're ready to you know, hey, can 130 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: I join the FBI tomorrow? And do do I need 131 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: to go to college? And I, you know, I watch 132 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: this on TV, so I think I'm qualified. Right, It's 133 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: all the above, But I having and I love going 134 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: to the high schools and to some colleges and especially 135 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: in my university of Wilmington University to talk to my 136 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: own students about the FBI, but I would relatively say yes, 137 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: depending on the age group that they know what they're 138 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: getting into. I tell them, I said, don't get out 139 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: of the media and go go right to our website 140 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: and you're going to see all the different things that 141 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: we do. We have a great publicity unit and they 142 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: make sure the work of the agent is marketed well, 143 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: publicized well. And I think you know, you can look 144 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: at something you say I want to do that, I 145 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: want to be a poligipher. I never did. I never 146 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: went down that road because there were so many other 147 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: things that you want to do and you can't do 148 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: them all. So I just made some and I was 149 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: in a good office. I was at Wilmington, Delaware my 150 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,079 Speaker 1: whole career and it really allowed me to do a 151 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: lot of different types of cases. 152 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 2: Did they offer internships for kids that are interested. 153 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:58,839 Speaker 1: So there's the honors program, it's an honors internship. It's changed. 154 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: I will say, BI dot gov takes you right there. 155 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: But the internship typically is you have to apply well 156 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: in advance, and I'm pretty sure it starts the summer 157 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: between your junior and your senior year in college. Then 158 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: they make an exception that if you're going right into 159 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: a master's program, that it could be I believe your uh, 160 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 1: your summer between your senior year graduation and then of 161 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: course going right into a to a master's program. With that, 162 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: you go to d C and it's a very small 163 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: number that's selected, and it's a paid internship. You get 164 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: to see everything about the bureau right at the at 165 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: the heart of where everything goes through, and that is 166 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 1: an FBI h Q, which is also close to Quantico 167 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: and the lab there in Quantico and and so yes, 168 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: they that's that's that's the internship that everybody wants to 169 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,199 Speaker 1: get into because it's paid and it's right in the 170 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: middle of everything. They'll then then take those students who 171 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: are intern and depending on where they are going to college, 172 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: they could continue that internship throughout their school year. You know, 173 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: pick a office that's close to the college that you're in. 174 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: And then it really with regards to the non paid internships, 175 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: it all depends on the division. So you may have 176 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: a large office that says, yeah, we need you, you know, 177 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 1: and and an intern will go through the same top 178 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 1: secret clearance background that every other employee goes through. And 179 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: that's why, that's why you have to apply well in 180 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: advance so they can get the backgrounds. 181 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 2: Done and they're getting really hands on experience there. They're 182 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 2: seeing the same things that the agents are seeing. 183 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, it is as if you're an agent or support. 184 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 1: And when I say support, we have so many different 185 00:10:55,280 --> 00:11:00,040 Speaker 1: levels of support from analysts to surveillance specialists, photographers for 186 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: forensic cyber experts. You know, we're not agents, and they're 187 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: both agents and non agents. But because we have agents 188 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: that will become experts in those fields. But the intern 189 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: really gets to be a part of everything. They could 190 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: even go out to a crime scene if they so choose. 191 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 1: It's if that follows into what they are looking to do, 192 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: especially if they want to continue on their careers into 193 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: the FBI as opposed to being an intern into something else. 194 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 3: Well, what's lifestyle Likelake? What is Scott like when he's 195 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 3: not when he's not an FBI agent? What I mean 196 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 3: is like, you know, you see the worst crimes ever, 197 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 3: You're taking this home with you. Are you able to 198 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 3: just go home and be your own person? Are you 199 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 3: always kind of on call. Do you have to leave 200 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 3: and take trips all the time, and like, how does 201 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 3: that work? 202 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'll give you from my side. And then 203 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: it all depends what you're doing. So you could be 204 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 1: in a small office and I don't want to pick 205 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: on a part of the United States, and all of 206 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:11,679 Speaker 1: a sudden it just so happens that they're the busiest. 207 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: But let's just say, you know, you could go into 208 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: the Midwest, the upper Northwest, Southeast, whatever have you, where 209 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: you know, you have your known big offices. You're LA, 210 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 1: You're in New York City, You're Washington, d C. You 211 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: go up to Boston, you go you know, through Philadelphia 212 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: to Baltimore, then you go down to Miami, you're Chicago. 213 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 1: Rate all your big offices, they are busy, they are 214 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: staffed and always doing something. And then of course you 215 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 1: have your small offices. We have what is called resident agencies. 216 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: I happen to be a part of one in Wilmington, 217 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 1: which is a small office, a standalone office and a 218 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: squad that belongs to the larger headquarters, which to me 219 00:12:56,520 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 1: was Baltimore. So I joined the Bureau before I was married. 220 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: So I was an FBI agent for about five years 221 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: before I got married met my wife. We dated a 222 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: couple of years and I was traveling. I was going overseas, 223 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 1: so I went to Dubai, the Republic of Georgia, to 224 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: Tel Aviv on different assignments, and as well as training 225 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: and then being in the drug world, the fugitive world, 226 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: and the gang world, those were probably the majority of 227 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: the types of cases that I worked back then ninety 228 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: seven twenty eighteen years of my career, you were allowed 229 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 1: to travel with your case. In other words, let's just 230 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 1: say a local law enforcement and detective, they're working within 231 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 1: their jurisdiction, and then they have to go out to 232 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: find a witness or somebody outside their jurisdiction, but not 233 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: just next door, next town, next city, but maybe a 234 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: couple of states away. The department may not have the 235 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 1: funds or the resources to pay for that travel, and 236 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:16,079 Speaker 1: so a detective might have to reach out to a detective, 237 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: try to work, you know, relationship, and say would you 238 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: do this for me? And that happens a lot, and 239 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: then the FBI that happens as well. But we have 240 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: pretty much have the option that hey, your funding is there, 241 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: this is your case, even though it may be a 242 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: small part like going to just interview a witness, go 243 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: interview that witness, and so you go out and you're 244 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: really you get to truly have a good feel of 245 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: what your case is about, what you want to ask, 246 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: as opposed to pointing it off to somebody else and 247 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: hoping that they ask the right questions and the questions 248 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: you want answered. So in that regard, there could be 249 00:14:56,400 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: extensive travel. And then haven't even discussed the legal at 250 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: that shape program, which is you're going overseas and you're 251 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: spending a minimum of three years, and so you could 252 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: be overseas with or without your family. When I say that, 253 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: if you have a family, you could be going to 254 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: what it's like a hazardous zone, a dangerous zone, wartime zone. 255 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: They don't want your family going with you, and so 256 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: thereby you will travel there, you'll be there without your family. 257 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: And there are the FBI, I believe is a truly 258 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: family friendly place to work, and so they try to 259 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: make accommodations. Hey, we're going to pay for certain travels. 260 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: Do you get back and forth every couple of months. 261 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: But for the most part, it is family friendly, meaning 262 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 1: there's flex scheduling. You talk to a supervisor supervisors or 263 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: afforded that ability to say I know what you're doing, 264 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: I know what needs to be done, and you go 265 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: and say, hey, I want to coach my kid's little league, 266 00:15:57,520 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: I want to do this, I want to do that, 267 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: and ultimate if if if it allows, then then it 268 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: will be allowed. So it's it really depends on the 269 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: work and what you're what case you're working, because you 270 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: could be out there in a long surveillance, tied up 271 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: in a van without any outside contact, or in a car, 272 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: and it could be, Hey, you got a twelve hour 273 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: surveillance and you're doing it so and and then let's 274 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: just say they're all nights and and then you're sleeping 275 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: during the day. So there and every family member knows. 276 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 1: My wife knew what she was getting into. Hey, you 277 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: got to go do what you got to do. And 278 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: sometimes you disappear for a week or a couple of weeks, 279 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: or in the case of Israel, I went for three 280 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: months when my kids were well below five, four kids 281 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: below five. 282 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 3: Wow, that's that's really interesting. 283 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 2: When you're when you were dating her, were you up 284 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 2: front I work for the FBI, because I feel like 285 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 2: in some cases that might be unbelievable. 286 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think so it is for me. Yes, hey, 287 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: it's your work for the FBI. You show your badge, 288 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: write your creds. I was looking to see if I 289 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 1: had my creds on the table to do the old 290 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 1: and yeah, hey that's uh if that's a way in 291 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:17,439 Speaker 1: uh to score date, surely. And with my wife and 292 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: I both her boss and my boss or her colleague 293 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:25,360 Speaker 1: and my colleague were married, and so we got introduced 294 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: on a blind date. And yeah, the FBI stories can play, 295 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: and they probably played a bit into my our first date. 296 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: I'm sure she's like, okay, whatever. 297 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 3: I love that. It's it's the secret to marriage because 298 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 3: you know, I'm married to a fireman and he's not 299 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 3: home a whole lot, and it makes it it makes 300 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 3: it real exciting and like it's not the same thing 301 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:53,479 Speaker 3: over and over again. Yeah, yeah, I think that that's 302 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 3: that's good. Let's talk about We know that you teach 303 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 3: law enforcement officers all the time, but you got a 304 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 3: phone call one day that you needed to teach an 305 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 3: actor how to be an FBI agent kind of, so 306 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:07,919 Speaker 3: talk about that. 307 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, So that and that and that was an exciting 308 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: it's something at a left field. It's not something you 309 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:23,120 Speaker 1: expect for, plan for, uh, or even try for. So yes, 310 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: a good old friend of mine who was a one 311 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: of my trainers in the police department, he calls me, 312 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: or he sends me a text, and he goes, hey, 313 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: give me a call. I want to see if you're 314 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: available to work a show, an HBO show. And so 315 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: I just thought it was a prank or a joke, 316 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:48,679 Speaker 1: so I didn't really respond. And then he sends me 317 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 1: another text. So I give him a call and I said, 318 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,479 Speaker 1: what's up, Jack, And he goes, hey, I got a 319 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: buddy of mine who's looking for a Catholic priest who 320 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: became an FBI agent. Do you And I told him 321 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 1: about SHO and I said, well, I was in the seminary, 322 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 1: but I didn't get ordained. You have to be ordained 323 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,120 Speaker 1: in order to to be and he goes, no, you're 324 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: the closest thing. So call him. So I called him 325 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: and uh uh, And he was a chief of police 326 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: also tasked to this task show. And so he goes, listen, uh, 327 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:26,360 Speaker 1: Jack is a mutual front of ours. And so you 328 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: your name came up and Brad Brian brad Inglesby the 329 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 1: writer creator mayvastown task for HBO and of course a 330 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: host of other movies that he's done. I knew of 331 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 1: his name, of course, the mayor of East Town, and 332 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: so I, you know, I was I was nervous. I 333 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 1: wasn't prepared. This was not something I had ever thought 334 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 1: of landing right before me. So so what did I do? 335 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 2: I do? 336 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,679 Speaker 1: What a good at BiH does? I go ahead? And 337 00:19:54,720 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: I make sure that I know everything about Brad his family. 338 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 1: I really got into his family dynamic, you know, his 339 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: you know, you got to make sure, hey, I don't 340 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 1: want to be caught, you know, without being able to 341 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:13,919 Speaker 1: answer the right questions. And so watch movies that I 342 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: had not seen, and so that way I kind of 343 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: knew where he was going. So we met pretty quick 344 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,400 Speaker 1: at a dinner. He was very clear to say I'm 345 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: picking up the tab. I said, okay, that's that's good. 346 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: That's good first start. And so we met at a 347 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: local restaurant and what what And I I think he 348 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: missed his calling and being antbi agent because he came prepared, uh, 349 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: like any writer, right pen and paper, and he was 350 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: he was writing right off the bat and the questions 351 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: he asked the detail, the nuances of just life before 352 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: we even got into what I did. Is ANTBI agent. 353 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 1: He really you could tell he is a character builder 354 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 1: in his stuff. And we just hit it off. So 355 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: I said, okay, was this an interview for a job? 356 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 1: But what and he's just looking. He goes, you're hired. 357 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: Do you want it? You sleep on it? Nope, I 358 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: don't need to sleep on it. Yeah, so it was 359 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: that that was a great partnership. 360 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 2: What was it like working with Mark Ruffalo? 361 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: You know, having seen many of Mark's things, and then 362 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 1: of course I was a big Martha Plimpton fan too, uh, 363 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 1: because she was playing the supervisor for Mark Ruffalo, so 364 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 1: you know, ultimately she played the position that I was 365 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: that I retired as a supervisory senior resident agent and 366 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:48,160 Speaker 1: then Mark Ruffalo being the task force let's just call 367 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 1: her the coordinator, where he's running the task force as 368 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: the FBI agent, which I did for so many years. 369 00:21:54,000 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: So he isn't just like Brad an Astute, a student 370 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:06,880 Speaker 1: who just studies you. You don't realize how much somebody 371 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:11,120 Speaker 1: is watching you, picking up on your mannerisms, how you 372 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 1: say something. So he generally and I think this show 373 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: unlike other shows, ATBI shows, et cetera. They really wanted 374 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 1: to hit the nail on the head with characters, the 375 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:30,239 Speaker 1: right characters, a true person to the persona of an 376 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: FBI agent who is struggling in life. And then of 377 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: course to of course there are things that hey, we 378 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,880 Speaker 1: understand what you're saying, Scott, but that's not the road 379 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: we're going down. It's just not going to be entertaining, 380 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: so right you have to then say yeah, absolutely so 381 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,199 Speaker 1: they have to have that license to say thanks for 382 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: your information, but we're going to do it this way. 383 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: Mark is a gem. He's a true, genuine human being 384 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 1: who you really get to know on a personal level. 385 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: He's so caring just about people. And uh, he was like, Hey, 386 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: I want to I want to know what makes you tick. 387 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: I want to know your family dynamic. I want to 388 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 1: know when you get home, what do you do. I 389 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: want to know how do you get people to talk 390 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 1: to you? And uh, and I've seen a few times 391 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: that he's, you know, been interviewed and he talks about 392 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 1: empathy and empathy is is I believe a core value 393 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 1: for an FBI agent because we're talking to people every 394 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: day and that's that's part of the business of getting 395 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: information and then trying to see can it, you know, 396 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: go somewhere where you need it to go. With regards 397 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: to building a case, because often unlike local law enforcement, 398 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 1: where they are called right, they're called to the people's 399 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 1: worst moments, worse days and so and and then begins 400 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 1: an investigation. While in the FBI we do that too, 401 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:10,400 Speaker 1: but more so we develop cases that no one else 402 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 1: is looking at, and we try to proactively go build cases, 403 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: for example in the drug world, to go after somebody 404 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 1: who who you believe to be looking to hire somebody 405 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 1: for a murder and be able to be proactive and 406 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,919 Speaker 1: prevent that as opposed to just waiting for somebody to 407 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: call you. 408 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 3: Do you ever get scared working or trying to catch 409 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,160 Speaker 3: these criminals that are doing these horrible things, like that 410 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 3: they know who you're, your face and and is that 411 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:49,120 Speaker 3: ever an issue for FBI agents just just that they 412 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 3: might come back for you one day? 413 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 2: You know? 414 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: I sometimes I think I'm a little crazy when I say, no, 415 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,479 Speaker 1: I wasn't scared. I was scared. There are moments that 416 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 1: you're scared, you're and scared may be the wrong word, 417 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,919 Speaker 1: and there's a sense of fear, and that fear is 418 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 1: I got to really be on my game. For example, 419 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,959 Speaker 1: we're going to execute a search warrant. I don't know 420 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,239 Speaker 1: who or what's behind that door. I've done everything in 421 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: my power to know who in what's behind that door. 422 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: Hopefully I are a team of surveillance people have done 423 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: enough to say here's the pattern of this individual, and 424 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:31,919 Speaker 1: this is when we're going to do it. That's the 425 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 1: safest time for all the people who are going to 426 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 1: be entering that door. So there is that blood pressure 427 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: is going up, your heart rate is going up. You're 428 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: in a line of one, two, three, four five, which 429 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: is typical, and you're you're you're thinking, Okay, what what's 430 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,439 Speaker 1: going to happen when we get inside. I can't I 431 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: can't worry. I got to turn every corner. So it 432 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: is fast moving and you really have to be on 433 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: your game in that moment. And then each and every 434 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 1: time it's secured. Everybody's good. Now let's begin that slow, 435 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:12,400 Speaker 1: methodical search, right bringing the search team. Then you begin 436 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 1: for the second one, and you never want to let 437 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 1: your guard down to where after you've done it ninety times, 438 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 1: one hundred times, two hundred times and you're like, this 439 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,359 Speaker 1: is just like the last one, because that's when you 440 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: could potentially get hurt and of course hurt those on 441 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: your team. Those are the moments that, yes, they make 442 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: you think twice, is am I going to go home 443 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:37,400 Speaker 1: after this? 444 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 2: Right? 445 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:42,919 Speaker 1: So when they say firefighters cops that they may not 446 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 1: return home, that's a real thought that is on your mind, 447 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,160 Speaker 1: but it's not pervading to the point and you don't 448 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: want it to. You do everything in your power to 449 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 1: fight that. That's where I do believe in the mental 450 00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: health aspects of those who are first responders, that there's 451 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 1: a lot more and I'm glad to see it happening 452 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 1: where hey, it is up to the leaders, the bosses, 453 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: the supervisors to take notice and help your crew. So 454 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: I don't think of all the people I've arrested that 455 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: I feared them retaliating against me or my family. It's 456 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: a possibility, it's always a thought. I think that heightened 457 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 1: awareness that I have that kind of creeps into my 458 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 1: everyday life, even now, eight years retire. You do lose sleep, 459 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 1: but you do learn to adapt, if that makes sense. 460 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 2: That's something that I don't think we think of often. 461 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 2: I'd never thought of it at all until one of 462 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 2: our friends bought a house previously owned by a judge, 463 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 2: and that woman had died and hadn't lived there in 464 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 2: ten years. And our friend only lived in the house 465 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 2: a couple of years and said people were showing up 466 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 2: all of the time, people she sentenced to prison, their 467 00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 2: family members, etc. To the point where they had to 468 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 2: sell that and move. And I just never even thought 469 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 2: about stuff like that. 470 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I know, especially I believe it was a 471 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: federal judge a couple of years back, who was somebody 472 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,680 Speaker 1: that I believe if she was or you might have 473 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: even been on the peripheral of a case. Ultimately she survived, 474 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: but I believe her husband and her son, I don't 475 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 1: remember both were. I know they were both shot. I 476 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 1: know if her son was killed. And then of course 477 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 1: it's like things like that that say, okay, judges, regardless 478 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: of a federal, state or local, that they're doing things 479 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: on a regular basis and they should not be retaliated 480 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: against it. And so we started to see those threats 481 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 1: come on board, I would say, especially in the last 482 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 1: fifteen plus years. I knew when I got into the 483 00:28:54,560 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 1: FBI late nineties ninety seven that Back then, it was hey, 484 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: you could scrub your name and address pro a Google 485 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 1: search and you just submitted a form and it got 486 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: sent off from your department on a department letter ahead, 487 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 1: and then your name and address would be scrubbed. Not today, 488 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 1: right that there might be extreme circumstances, and there must 489 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 1: be a lot that's taken for I could see for 490 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: an undercover agent, but then that rare circumstance, you know, 491 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: you can't do anything online because then it's just like 492 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 1: you starting all over again. In that regard, Yes, you 493 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: could find anybody, and a lot of personal information beyond 494 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 1: the address you know, is out there, and so I 495 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: never really feared a retaliation. I've worked some pretty violent crews. 496 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 1: I've heard some violent people mentioned things like we'll go 497 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: find him, not knowing if it's me or somebody in 498 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: my career. But I think for the most part, it's 499 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 1: just I was always hyper aware, not taking for granted 500 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: when I'm coming and going off duty, but also not 501 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 1: getting to the point that you know I'm going, you know, 502 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: getting a helicopter and scaling down to get into my 503 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 1: chimney or something like that, like did they see me? No, 504 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 1: I I didn't get to that point telling that regard yeah, 505 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 1: just being hyper vigilant, I did work a threat case. 506 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 1: It was a really good threat case in the sense 507 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 1: that this person really probably had the intention of wanting 508 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 1: to do harm to a judge who was also very 509 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 1: a judge I knew had been before quite a bit 510 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 1: of times, and so I really kind of took it 511 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 1: to heart too that when I got assigned to the 512 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: case that I was like, Judge, I'm going to do 513 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 1: everything in my power to find this person and make 514 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: sure that this person can't be a threat to you. 515 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: And ended up being a successful case outcome prosecution. But 516 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 1: you know then, it's what happens after their sentence is done. 517 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 1: You don't know because you lose track. You don't know 518 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 1: what their mental health state is. 519 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 2: This episode is brought to you by the Grossroom. Guys, 520 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 2: we are. 521 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 3: Having an event with our friend Scott that is on 522 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 3: the show today and we are doing a fundraiser at 523 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 3: the Center for Forensic Science Research and Education. Scott is 524 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 3: going to be there along with our other friend Joe jackalone, 525 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 3: so it's going to be a ton of fun. 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So as of the day we're recording this, 534 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 2: Savannah Guthrie has just released her exclusive interview with Today 535 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 2: and part of that interview she had discussed for a 536 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 2: moment where she spoke with her brother and they thought 537 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 2: she could possibly be the reason for her mother's abduction, 538 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 2: and others have criticized them online for a segment they 539 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 2: filmed over a decade ago showing her mother's bedroom and 540 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 2: how they basically gave them easy access and insight into 541 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 2: their life. What are your thoughts on that? 542 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, so, and I've offered a lot of commentary on 543 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 1: Nancy Guthrie, and I've also seen a lot of commentary, 544 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 1: a lot of what and as you could see in 545 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: your professional lives with regards to covering things like this 546 00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:03,959 Speaker 1: that I think there's any one scenario could stick because 547 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: there are so many anomaies. So it's not your typical course. 548 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 1: So with that being said, how do you how do 549 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: you reverse going back? We were living in a life 550 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 1: of our lives are online. We can all be found 551 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:27,720 Speaker 1: online and then of course found where you're living, and 552 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 1: so things like doing a news story of a family 553 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 1: like Savannah did with her mom. And I've seen a 554 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: few of those clips in a restaurant and the local restaurant, 555 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 1: and of course in our house. And you would never 556 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 1: imagine that because there are shows everywhere, right, there are 557 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 1: shows everywhere where they especially in the world where everything 558 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 1: is almost like a documentary and etc. We're filming from 559 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 1: our houses and people are looking and they're like, h 560 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 1: there's something in there that I like, and can I 561 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 1: find where that is? There are people like that that 562 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 1: have always been around. But to change your life or too. 563 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 1: I can't blame her, and and I hope she doesn't. 564 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,879 Speaker 1: And and that to me, every victim that I've come 565 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,840 Speaker 1: across who says I could have done something different, I 566 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,239 Speaker 1: do my best to say, don't blame yourself. There are 567 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 1: people out there that you cannot protect and should not 568 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 1: worry about trying to protect. So her mom, her, whatever 569 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 1: story you want to cover, and happens to be in 570 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:44,360 Speaker 1: a house. Okay, In that regard, I could see somebody 571 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,279 Speaker 1: in a fraud aspect taken advantage. This is where I 572 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 1: believe with regard and I saw something about she believed 573 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:54,319 Speaker 1: that least two of the letters might be true. I 574 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,400 Speaker 1: believe they are bogus, and I stand to be corrected 575 00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,879 Speaker 1: when when the truth comes out, because you know, we're 576 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 1: speaking from public knowledge as opposed to what law enforcement knows. However, 577 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,359 Speaker 1: I can see there's plenty of people out there who 578 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,880 Speaker 1: are willing to pounce on you and take every dime 579 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: you've ever made based upon a vulnerable moment. And so 580 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 1: thereby she's gone, she's missing. Everybody is just tuned in, 581 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,759 Speaker 1: and not to mention, every fraudster out there say I 582 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,800 Speaker 1: can take advantage of this, and they have no thought 583 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:41,399 Speaker 1: whatsoever for the victimhood of the family, the victimization, and 584 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 1: they exploit it. They love exploiting it. And we just 585 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 1: see so much out there with regards to this. So 586 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 1: that's why I could see them going back and using 587 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 1: things on anybody to say I know things, I was there, 588 00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:00,480 Speaker 1: I kidnapped your mother. I know you know. They might 589 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 1: be using past tape so I would say that's the 590 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 1: life you live. And Nancy, her mother knows that right, 591 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 1: and she's a willing participant in what should have been 592 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 1: just a fantastic piece of family history for all to see. 593 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 1: And so I'm believing though that the culprit or group 594 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 1: of people, I do think it's more than one. However, 595 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,839 Speaker 1: this person I think is a little more attached. I 596 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 1: think there is knowledge of the home, right targeted versus 597 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,319 Speaker 1: random to somebody who comes up in the darkens I'm 598 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 1: going to hit that house. I do believe there was 599 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:49,239 Speaker 1: some recognizance, there was some surveillance, there was some intel, 600 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,960 Speaker 1: and then of course you go back and do your 601 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 1: online searches to see if you can gather any more information. 602 00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,239 Speaker 1: I know there. I don't know if they it exhausted everybody, 603 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 1: but I would venture to say somebody had a connection 604 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 1: to that home in recent time. That could be within 605 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,800 Speaker 1: the year. I don't think you're going to go further past. 606 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:18,840 Speaker 1: Somebody was already idealizing something and then got into the home, 607 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 1: perhaps before legitimately, and and and then it's like, okay, wow, 608 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,440 Speaker 1: now now I know I have my sights on something. 609 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 1: I you know, I'm on the fence with regards to 610 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 1: was this a kidnapping gone bad? Possible? It's absolutely possible. 611 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,880 Speaker 1: Or was this something that I want something inside that 612 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:54,400 Speaker 1: house and it went bad? And and and even I 613 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,520 Speaker 1: questioned myself on that because home invasions take place in 614 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:02,560 Speaker 1: my world all the time, and they don't make the news. 615 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 1: And so people are shot, people are hurt, and that's 616 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,839 Speaker 1: that they went in there for an object, whether it 617 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:15,040 Speaker 1: be money, drugs, some valuable very rarely to go in 618 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 1: there with the intention of hurting somebody because that and boom. 619 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,719 Speaker 1: But people get hurt as a result of the transaction 620 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,640 Speaker 1: of a weapon that's inside the house, of a weapon 621 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:30,759 Speaker 1: that's brought into that house. So in seeing that the 622 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,120 Speaker 1: victim is always there, the victim is always left behind. 623 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:41,120 Speaker 1: And so that's why I could see was misgu three 624 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:47,120 Speaker 1: a target of a kidnapping and what was the reason. 625 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:51,120 Speaker 1: The motive for that kidnapping remains to be seen. And 626 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,480 Speaker 1: of course the letters come out. I believe those letters 627 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,399 Speaker 1: just from dealing in so much fraud, the urgency, etc. 628 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:04,879 Speaker 1: I just I just don't see it where you've done 629 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:10,080 Speaker 1: all this to target a fairly high profile individual. If 630 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:15,000 Speaker 1: if Savannah was the target, let's go after the mom 631 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,960 Speaker 1: to get to the money or perhaps her own whatever. 632 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:23,680 Speaker 1: I don't know what her financial finances are, and and 633 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:28,919 Speaker 1: so thereby it just it just didn't work out that way. 634 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:34,120 Speaker 1: And now you're left with, as we have seen with 635 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:40,000 Speaker 1: kidnappings and kidnappings for ransom, that people have died, and 636 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,520 Speaker 1: they have died tragically, whether they fought their way through 637 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,719 Speaker 1: it and it wasn't part of their the plan of 638 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 1: the kidnapper, I'm just going to return this loved one 639 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:55,520 Speaker 1: back to you in exchange for money. So that's why 640 00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:59,920 Speaker 1: it makes sense in regards that she was kidnapped for rants, 641 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:04,760 Speaker 1: and then maybe the ransom never got off the ground, 642 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:09,120 Speaker 1: never really played itself out because something very tragic and 643 00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:13,720 Speaker 1: very bad happened to her at the onset. That's strong 644 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:21,919 Speaker 1: possibility in my mind, and that why take her? Why 645 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:27,360 Speaker 1: not just leave her? The possibility is they either wanted 646 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,600 Speaker 1: to continue to play out that kidnapping ransom it just 647 00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,319 Speaker 1: didn't work out when they got to their whatever their 648 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:41,239 Speaker 1: secondary point was, or there's too much evidence that they 649 00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,560 Speaker 1: believe they would have left behind, and so it was 650 00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,360 Speaker 1: easier for them to take missus Guthrie. All those things 651 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:53,439 Speaker 1: that I imagine every investigator playing through this. Of course, 652 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,160 Speaker 1: the investigators who are inside get to see what that 653 00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:00,640 Speaker 1: crime scene looks like. Do we even know if there 654 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,640 Speaker 1: was because I've heard conflicting statements A fourth entry. 655 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,200 Speaker 3: So she did. I don't know if you got a 656 00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,279 Speaker 3: chance to see that part of the interview that she 657 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,719 Speaker 3: did with I guess it was her first one right 658 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:20,080 Speaker 3: ray with Hote copy today. Yeah, So she said specifically 659 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,759 Speaker 3: that she went all the way back from when she 660 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,040 Speaker 3: was got the phone call in New York City the 661 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,040 Speaker 3: whole day and she said that her sister called her 662 00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,680 Speaker 3: and said the mom was missing, and they had went 663 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,960 Speaker 3: to the house and the back door was wide open, 664 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,880 Speaker 3: and there was blood on the porch, and there was 665 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,200 Speaker 3: you know, like you have denial at first that it's 666 00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,680 Speaker 3: really happening. So she said, at first they were they thought, 667 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,360 Speaker 3: let's call the hospital and see if she had a 668 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,239 Speaker 3: medical emergency in the middle of the night, and they 669 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,640 Speaker 3: just took her and it like it looked like she 670 00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:53,759 Speaker 3: was taken, and and nobody tried to even close up 671 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,600 Speaker 3: the house. She didn't have she had her pajamason, she'd 672 00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:03,040 Speaker 3: have shoes on or anything. So I mean they had 673 00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,520 Speaker 3: to have broken at that door, right, I mean to 674 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:06,680 Speaker 3: leave it open like that? 675 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,480 Speaker 1: Well, so that would be the question, because I did 676 00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:13,040 Speaker 1: see and and of course having I have purposely broken 677 00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,799 Speaker 1: down doors to get into homes, and it's a beholden 678 00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:19,160 Speaker 1: to me that if there's not an adult left in 679 00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:23,640 Speaker 1: that home, that I have to pay, and we have 680 00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,200 Speaker 1: funding for it to make sure that that house is secure. 681 00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:31,360 Speaker 1: So I board up the house. Door broken or window broken, 682 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,640 Speaker 1: I make sure I call out a locksmith or whoever 683 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:39,399 Speaker 1: contractor come out and fix that. So I've seen enough 684 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,680 Speaker 1: pictures and I get what is being said. The door 685 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:48,040 Speaker 1: was wide open, but was the door broken? Was the 686 00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:54,520 Speaker 1: lock broken? I can definitely see, and this could go 687 00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:58,320 Speaker 1: to the single aspect, a single person. So the door's 688 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:03,279 Speaker 1: wide open, because now I am removing. And I was 689 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,880 Speaker 1: always very careful to talk about Hey, she she we 690 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,040 Speaker 1: hope he's eternal. I hope she's alive. I hope to 691 00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:16,880 Speaker 1: this day she is alive. But you know, as as inwardly, 692 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:22,680 Speaker 1: I'm thinking the worst. And so if the doors propped open, 693 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,400 Speaker 1: I could see that being okay, we have to remove 694 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:30,840 Speaker 1: missus Guthrie. And and so, like anything else, you're removing 695 00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,680 Speaker 1: an object from your house, a piece of furniture in 696 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,560 Speaker 1: or out, you prop open the door. And so thereby, 697 00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,600 Speaker 1: if somebody felt they'd had to prop open a door, 698 00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,080 Speaker 1: however that may look, you prop open that door to 699 00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:52,760 Speaker 1: remove if that being that missus Guthrie, and so I 700 00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,560 Speaker 1: do you know if she talked about any type of damage, 701 00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,279 Speaker 1: because if if it was a door propped open, which 702 00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,760 Speaker 1: if my door is propped open, I'm thinking something is awrise, 703 00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:06,520 Speaker 1: something is wrong. But if there's no broken door, no 704 00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:10,040 Speaker 1: broken window in that door to reach in and open 705 00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,480 Speaker 1: up a lock or something else, and that door was 706 00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:17,000 Speaker 1: able to be secured, then yes, it's telling that the 707 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,640 Speaker 1: doors wide open, and so you know, and of course 708 00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:24,000 Speaker 1: that's most likely the exit point. But what was the 709 00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:28,120 Speaker 1: entry point? And if there's no nothing that was broken, 710 00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:32,600 Speaker 1: I would be hard pressed to believe that she leaves 711 00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:39,000 Speaker 1: her doors unlocked or windows unlocked. And so that's what 712 00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,840 Speaker 1: would bring me back to, especially at that time a 713 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:47,560 Speaker 1: night that somebody was familiar with something, whether having a 714 00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,960 Speaker 1: key especially, that would go back to somebody had a 715 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,200 Speaker 1: connection to the house employment wise and was able to 716 00:44:54,600 --> 00:45:00,520 Speaker 1: ascertain a key. And then of course the end, the 717 00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:07,000 Speaker 1: exit is always going to be typically quicker than the entrance. 718 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:08,719 Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is there's a lot 719 00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,520 Speaker 1: of time spent going into the house. I want to 720 00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:17,600 Speaker 1: make sure I get in undetected. Even if I'm going 721 00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,200 Speaker 1: to come in roaring with guns and break down a door, 722 00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,200 Speaker 1: there's a lot of planning that goes into that to 723 00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:24,960 Speaker 1: make sure which door am I going to go? Is 724 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:26,919 Speaker 1: that door? I want to make sure that door doesn't 725 00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,080 Speaker 1: have some steel bar, because then it's going to be 726 00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:31,520 Speaker 1: feutile for me, and I'm going to look like an 727 00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,680 Speaker 1: idiot when when I go to break something and I 728 00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:39,600 Speaker 1: can't break it. So but now that I've done the act, 729 00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,399 Speaker 1: that is I've committed my crime. And whether they went 730 00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:47,640 Speaker 1: in there with the intention of removing her safely, soundly, 731 00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:53,000 Speaker 1: and then of course to return her once there was ransom, 732 00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:57,800 Speaker 1: they would want to do that as safely and expeditiously 733 00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,759 Speaker 1: if things went bad or they intended to go in 734 00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:07,000 Speaker 1: there to cause great physical harm to her. You are 735 00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:11,040 Speaker 1: now the action has taken place, and you now want 736 00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,400 Speaker 1: to get out. And so that's why I could see 737 00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,479 Speaker 1: it's happened. We need to get out of here, and 738 00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,040 Speaker 1: we're not sure if the police are coming. We're not, 739 00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,319 Speaker 1: and not only that, you're not just coming in on 740 00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:27,799 Speaker 1: your own, as we saw the nest doorbell of that 741 00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:31,880 Speaker 1: individual kind of kind of nonchalantly playing around with the camera. 742 00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:40,600 Speaker 1: You now have committed a crime, and so you want 743 00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:45,400 Speaker 1: to get out and get away without leaving anything known behind. 744 00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:50,440 Speaker 1: And now you're taking missus Guthrie with you just for 745 00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:56,400 Speaker 1: the sake of saying dead or alive alive you have 746 00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,719 Speaker 1: to worry about that. You know, is she going to 747 00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,000 Speaker 1: be screaming, she gonna be yelling for help, is a neighbor, 748 00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:06,680 Speaker 1: and then if she's deceased or unconscious, your job is 749 00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:08,959 Speaker 1: I need to get out of here, and I can't 750 00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:13,399 Speaker 1: be connected to this crime. So your your plan has 751 00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:17,480 Speaker 1: changed to the point that your tunnel vision is become 752 00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:22,400 Speaker 1: very tunnel and you're looking to get out as as 753 00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:26,440 Speaker 1: quick as possible so I can see once you're out, 754 00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,719 Speaker 1: you're out. Don't worry about the door or anything else. 755 00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,759 Speaker 2: I am confused because the doorbell footage we saw, I 756 00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,759 Speaker 2: believe was from the front door and the blood was there, 757 00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,560 Speaker 2: But then they're saying the back door was open, So 758 00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,280 Speaker 2: I'm and I don't think they there were any reports 759 00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:44,200 Speaker 2: that we know of yet of the front door having 760 00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:47,880 Speaker 2: any damage. So I'm wondering if that guy took the 761 00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,200 Speaker 2: camera off and was having a hard time getting in 762 00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,440 Speaker 2: and then went around back and then ended up taking 763 00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,000 Speaker 2: her still out the front door, because of where the 764 00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,280 Speaker 2: blood ended up being. It's just it's a confusing picture overall. 765 00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:02,200 Speaker 1: It is it doesn't there and that's where, you know, 766 00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:08,719 Speaker 1: as we try to make guestimates of the scene, because 767 00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,040 Speaker 1: there are certain things and I don't even know if 768 00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,319 Speaker 1: they know them as opposed to keeping them close to 769 00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:18,640 Speaker 1: the vest. So it's pretty easy right to say there's 770 00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,720 Speaker 1: fourth entry a door, a door was compromised, a window 771 00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:26,439 Speaker 1: was broken, and that's how entry was made. I've seen 772 00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,680 Speaker 1: pictures of the you know, especially in the FBI, going 773 00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,400 Speaker 1: back up to the rooftop. Is it possible there was 774 00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:36,719 Speaker 1: a rooftop entry. I don't know, ventilation or whatnot. Would 775 00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,560 Speaker 1: there be access into the home through the rooftop. I 776 00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:46,920 Speaker 1: just don't know. However, until somebody in law enforcement says 777 00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:51,040 Speaker 1: that the time stamp of that individual who we see 778 00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:57,399 Speaker 1: on that nest door bell camera was this time, and 779 00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:02,400 Speaker 1: thereby they believe, oh that is is most likely the 780 00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:06,160 Speaker 1: first time an individual is arriving to commit this, and 781 00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:10,719 Speaker 1: we know at least a home invasion. It seemed to 782 00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:15,600 Speaker 1: me watching this individual that they were not scared. They 783 00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,400 Speaker 1: did not seem to have any sense of urgency to 784 00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:22,759 Speaker 1: their footstep. They now noticed they are on camera. So 785 00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:26,720 Speaker 1: if this was the first time arriving from a car 786 00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:31,239 Speaker 1: van from the street to the house, you go to 787 00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:36,200 Speaker 1: the front door and you notice that camera, and just 788 00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,520 Speaker 1: like mine, when mine goes off, you'll see the little 789 00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:43,040 Speaker 1: red dots. So there's some indication to the person who's approaching. 790 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,239 Speaker 1: First of all, it looks like a camera. Second of all, 791 00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:50,560 Speaker 1: there's some sort of illumination that a person should if 792 00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,440 Speaker 1: they don't belong there, be freaked out. I'm about to 793 00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:58,759 Speaker 1: commit a crime, I know, unmasked. But where does this 794 00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:02,880 Speaker 1: camera footage go is where I get into I feel 795 00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,160 Speaker 1: like they already had prior knowledge to what that where 796 00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,080 Speaker 1: that camera footage goes. So that tells me a couple 797 00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:15,520 Speaker 1: of things that that is a person who has already 798 00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:22,560 Speaker 1: committed the crime or with himself or others. Right, and 799 00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:24,640 Speaker 1: and so now they're just kind of circling the house, 800 00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:27,200 Speaker 1: covering their tracks, and they're like, you know what, I 801 00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:31,239 Speaker 1: see a camera, Let me go get it. I'm not 802 00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,640 Speaker 1: scared where it's going because I've already been inside the 803 00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:39,240 Speaker 1: house and I've already secured the house. For my sake, 804 00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,839 Speaker 1: I know that it's not gonna alert Mims Guthrie, it's 805 00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:47,040 Speaker 1: not gonna alert her phone. So thereby I feel comfortable 806 00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,439 Speaker 1: and I'll do my best to get that camera off. 807 00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:56,400 Speaker 1: That's one I feel that's plausible unless they have a 808 00:50:56,440 --> 00:51:00,719 Speaker 1: timestamp that says otherwise, And so they're this person is 809 00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:07,840 Speaker 1: just clearing, clearing their tracks, as opposed to making coming, 810 00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:12,359 Speaker 1: getting rid of that doorbell camera and then making their 811 00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:16,040 Speaker 1: way into the back of the house and then going 812 00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:19,799 Speaker 1: out the same door. Then why, like you said, why 813 00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:24,920 Speaker 1: the blood on the front Is it possible that she 814 00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,560 Speaker 1: was out earlier in the day, had a nosebleed or 815 00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:32,920 Speaker 1: some other normal You know, if you were to come 816 00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:36,240 Speaker 1: to my house all of a sudden, I disappear things 817 00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,000 Speaker 1: that I might not have cleaned up may look like 818 00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:44,000 Speaker 1: that's part of a crime scene. So it's I'm not 819 00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:49,040 Speaker 1: entirely so that the blood leaving or the blood on 820 00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,840 Speaker 1: the front steps was from that moment. 821 00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:53,480 Speaker 2: Scott. 822 00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,959 Speaker 3: I'm so happy to hear you say this because I've 823 00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,920 Speaker 3: been saying this the whole time that hell, and I 824 00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:04,600 Speaker 3: don't know because I don't work in CSI forensics, right, 825 00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:08,440 Speaker 3: but how do they know that that blood was even related? 826 00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,600 Speaker 3: She had these senile echamosis they're called on her arms, 827 00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:15,440 Speaker 3: which are those large bruises that you see on elderly people, 828 00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:18,960 Speaker 3: And that occurs when you get older because you lose 829 00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:23,279 Speaker 3: a lot of the subcutaneous fat, which is almost like 830 00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,840 Speaker 3: insulation that protects your blood vessels. So if you just 831 00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:32,000 Speaker 3: bang your arm against the countertop, those things can bleed 832 00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,680 Speaker 3: profusely just and she's on blood thinners too, so that 833 00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:39,000 Speaker 3: would just not even be uncommon for a little old 834 00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:42,040 Speaker 3: lady to have a bleed like that. Who knows, like 835 00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:45,279 Speaker 3: she could have totally did that the day before. I 836 00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,040 Speaker 3: don't know. If there's a way that they could tell 837 00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,759 Speaker 3: the age of the blood on the porch. 838 00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:53,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would. And if I don't even remember, so 839 00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,320 Speaker 1: write it. It's Saturday night at this Sunday, right, because 840 00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:01,839 Speaker 1: she does not show up for her church service, So 841 00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:07,000 Speaker 1: we're thinking middle of the nights or early early Sunday morning, 842 00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:13,880 Speaker 1: and then law enforcement arrives late at late morning early afternoon. 843 00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,000 Speaker 3: If uh, yeah, I think it was. It wasn't until 844 00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:18,840 Speaker 3: ten or eleven in the morning. 845 00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:24,280 Speaker 1: So so I, you know, not a blood expert myself 846 00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,560 Speaker 1: by any means, but yes, I can look at the blood. 847 00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:30,080 Speaker 1: I will treat it in a manner that okay, that 848 00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:33,120 Speaker 1: I'm going to collect that after I do everything else 849 00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:37,120 Speaker 1: I need to do it. But I don't. I would say, 850 00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:43,040 Speaker 1: what what is that? And why do we think And 851 00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:47,239 Speaker 1: maybe perhaps surveillance or a law enforcement not even indicating 852 00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,560 Speaker 1: it's were indicating right, simply because somebody had said, oh, 853 00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:52,799 Speaker 1: there's blood on the front porch, that must be when 854 00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:58,520 Speaker 1: where she was removed from. And and yet knowing now 855 00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,440 Speaker 1: more that at the back or is propped open, most 856 00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:05,200 Speaker 1: likely that is the exit point, I would also imagine 857 00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:10,200 Speaker 1: that's the entry point. I'm just not sure. And so 858 00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:14,760 Speaker 1: why would if she is being removed from the house 859 00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:19,280 Speaker 1: forcibly and she is bleeding, why come to the front steps. 860 00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:24,440 Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense to me. So I could believe 861 00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:29,560 Speaker 1: that that that blood is earlier that day or earlier 862 00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:33,839 Speaker 1: that week, and she didn't feel the need to clean 863 00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,799 Speaker 1: it up. It was, It's blood, It's something she goes 864 00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,719 Speaker 1: through on a regular basis, like anybody else who it's 865 00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:43,719 Speaker 1: a bloody nose or something. Unless it's on my indoor, 866 00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,560 Speaker 1: you know, within the interior of my house, I'm probably 867 00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:51,240 Speaker 1: not going to go out and spray it off with water. 868 00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:52,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. 869 00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:56,160 Speaker 3: I mean there's been multiple times that I look at 870 00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:59,240 Speaker 3: my dad, for example, and say, like, oh, your arm's bleeding. 871 00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,040 Speaker 3: You didn't even know, you know what I mean, Like, 872 00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,120 Speaker 3: that's just what happens when you get older, because it 873 00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:06,360 Speaker 3: doesn't hurt if you had caught your arm like that, 874 00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:09,760 Speaker 3: you know, Well, thanks so much for being here today. 875 00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:13,719 Speaker 3: It was awesome, and it was really awesome to hear 876 00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,239 Speaker 3: about your career and just a little bit behind the 877 00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:19,919 Speaker 3: scenes of what goes on in an FBI agent's life. 878 00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,839 Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's it's so much different than most 879 00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:26,520 Speaker 3: people deal with and as the only reference we have 880 00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:30,319 Speaker 3: is TV, you know, and we know I know, as 881 00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:32,560 Speaker 3: far as for autopsy and stuff, it's terrible. 882 00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:35,319 Speaker 2: I think if you were consulting more, we'd have a 883 00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,839 Speaker 2: lot better picture of what's going on. I just told 884 00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,759 Speaker 2: Joe Jack alone when he was on to watch this 885 00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,600 Speaker 2: new show on HBO called DTF Saint Louis, because you 886 00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:46,640 Speaker 2: would just crack up laughing at the crime lab they 887 00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:49,520 Speaker 2: have there, it's so ridiculous and intentus. 888 00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:53,799 Speaker 1: But I started watching it is amazing, And of course, 889 00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:55,920 Speaker 1: you know, and I'm sure Joe's the same way. If 890 00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:58,400 Speaker 1: we look at these, you know, you're kind of forgetting 891 00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:00,879 Speaker 1: there's a storyline to it. You're supposed to have fun 892 00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,399 Speaker 1: with it. It's entertainment. I'm like, I'm not so sure 893 00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:04,759 Speaker 1: that would happen that way. 894 00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:08,480 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's totally ridiculous. But you're going to be 895 00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,759 Speaker 2: joining us on April eleventh for a lecture for a fundraiser, 896 00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:13,759 Speaker 2: So can you give any hints to what your lecture 897 00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:14,520 Speaker 2: is going to be about? 898 00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going you know, as I'm coming up to 899 00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,600 Speaker 1: the to the deadline here, I'm thinking of a couple. 900 00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:19,839 Speaker 2: Right. 901 00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:24,600 Speaker 1: So, I've had some interesting cases with regards to where's 902 00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:29,319 Speaker 1: their forensic connection, And of course forensics now covers a 903 00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,960 Speaker 1: wide variety not only your your your blood, you're out, 904 00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:36,840 Speaker 1: you know your alcohol level, your you know your tox toxicology, 905 00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:40,680 Speaker 1: everything with regards to the body, but but of course 906 00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:45,239 Speaker 1: also with regards to cyber digital, digital forensics. And so 907 00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:49,080 Speaker 1: so there are two cases that I'm looking at and 908 00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:53,960 Speaker 1: and I won't give them away, so you'll have to 909 00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:59,440 Speaker 1: buy a ticket and come to April. I believe mine 910 00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:08,160 Speaker 1: April eleventh, eleven. Yeah, so the both cases one being 911 00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:15,480 Speaker 1: unsolved homicide which did Aaron Netflix and so I still 912 00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:20,320 Speaker 1: take it with me to this day. And you know, 913 00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:23,680 Speaker 1: as any investigator who has a cold case and they 914 00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:26,240 Speaker 1: retire and have to leave it behind for somebody else. 915 00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:30,520 Speaker 1: And then there's another case that I really dove into 916 00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:37,160 Speaker 1: with the University of Delaware Police Department that was a 917 00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:43,400 Speaker 1: harassment case that could have been much much worse if 918 00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,320 Speaker 1: not an active shooter case. And I just think through 919 00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:52,600 Speaker 1: great collaboration, a lot of the forensics behind the scene 920 00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:59,160 Speaker 1: in the cyber world, the digital format I believe helped 921 00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:05,120 Speaker 1: solve the case and ultimately I think bring a good 922 00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:08,600 Speaker 1: resolution to where there was no harm. So that's why 923 00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:09,880 Speaker 1: I'm bouncing back between two. 924 00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:12,000 Speaker 2: That's the weight I know. 925 00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:15,720 Speaker 3: I really love that I hear a lot about these cases, 926 00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:18,680 Speaker 3: like things I didn't know that they could look on 927 00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:23,240 Speaker 3: your car and get digital information from the systems in 928 00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:23,960 Speaker 3: your car. 929 00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,320 Speaker 1: Correct the on Star or the Yeah, I don't even 930 00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,720 Speaker 1: know if it's on Star anymore. But I would say 931 00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:33,160 Speaker 1: any modern car is like a phone. It you know, 932 00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,320 Speaker 1: you may have people after watching this going in and 933 00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:38,480 Speaker 1: ripping out things, connecting all disconnecting all the wires in 934 00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:42,920 Speaker 1: their car. But it's amazing the distance, the rpns, the 935 00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:48,680 Speaker 1: how fast the timing. Everything is recorded on the computer. 936 00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,200 Speaker 3: But if you put they were like one of them 937 00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:53,960 Speaker 3: I was listening to said that if you plug your 938 00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,640 Speaker 3: phone into your car, like it could grab data off 939 00:58:56,640 --> 00:59:01,360 Speaker 3: your phone and stuff. It's just like things you don't Yeah, 940 00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:03,439 Speaker 3: not that I'm doing anything, Scott. 941 00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:08,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, but it is it. It's good for law enforcement, 942 00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:13,840 Speaker 1: it's good for solving crime. But you know, when when 943 00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:17,720 Speaker 1: when you really think about it, it is we have 944 00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:21,600 Speaker 1: given so much of our personal lives away. And I'll 945 00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:24,720 Speaker 1: say it as a as a sort of a joke, 946 00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:27,760 Speaker 1: but you know, my mom got rest her soul. She 947 00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,960 Speaker 1: she passed away last summer, beautiful age of eighty eight. 948 00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:34,600 Speaker 1: And she had her mental faculties right up to the end. 949 00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:38,920 Speaker 1: But she and then she would she would travel from 950 00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:43,920 Speaker 1: Connecticut to Pennsylvania to visit us, right up till she decided, 951 00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:46,520 Speaker 1: I'm not going over the George Washington Bridge anymore. She 952 00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:49,440 Speaker 1: just said, no more bridges for me. But she would 953 00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:51,360 Speaker 1: not get an easy pass on like mom. It is 954 00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:54,800 Speaker 1: the easiest thing on earth. You will bypass every line 955 00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:59,200 Speaker 1: or every you know, no more crowded lanes. No, the 956 00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,720 Speaker 1: government is and they'll know how fast I was going. 957 01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:06,160 Speaker 1: And I'm like, yes, that's true. They can determine that, 958 01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:09,240 Speaker 1: but don't worry about it. They're not. They're not looking 959 01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:11,960 Speaker 1: for it. But just for that sake, you wouldn't get 960 01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:16,480 Speaker 1: an easy pass easy pass. Those alone can gather so 961 01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:17,240 Speaker 1: much information. 962 01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:24,960 Speaker 2: Everyone's probably freaking out. Listen, well, thank you so much. 963 01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:27,240 Speaker 2: We can't wait to see you very soon. 964 01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:28,760 Speaker 1: Yes, looking forward to it. 965 01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:36,120 Speaker 3: Awesome, awesome, all right, have a good day. Thanks, thank 966 01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:39,720 Speaker 3: you for listening to Mother Knows Death. As a reminder, 967 01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:43,720 Speaker 3: my training is as a pathologists assistant. I have a 968 01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:48,040 Speaker 3: master's level education and specialize in anatomy and pathology education. 969 01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:51,400 Speaker 3: I am not a doctor and I have not diagnosed 970 01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:55,120 Speaker 3: or treated anyone dead or alive without the assistance of 971 01:00:55,160 --> 01:01:00,400 Speaker 3: a licensed medical doctor. This show, my website, and social 972 01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:03,920 Speaker 3: media accounts are designed to educate and inform people based 973 01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:07,880 Speaker 3: on my experience working in pathology, so they can make 974 01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:12,760 Speaker 3: healthier decisions regarding their life and well being. Always remember 975 01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:15,880 Speaker 3: that science is changing every day and the opinions expressed 976 01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:18,560 Speaker 3: in this episode are based on my knowledge of those 977 01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:22,400 Speaker 3: subjects at the time of publication. If you are having 978 01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:26,400 Speaker 3: a medical problem, have a medical question, or having a 979 01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:30,760 Speaker 3: medical emergency, please contact your physician or visit an urgent 980 01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:35,800 Speaker 3: care center, emergency room, or hospital. Please rate, review, and 981 01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:40,400 Speaker 3: subscribe to Mother Knows Death on Apple, Spotify, YouTube, or 982 01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:41,920 Speaker 3: anywhere you get podcasts. 983 01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:50,240 Speaker 2: Thanks