1 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: What's going on. 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 2: I'm Peanut, just my guy Rome, and this is the 3 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 2: NFL Player Second Acts Podcast. 4 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: I actually called you Rome this time. I shouldn't. I 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: should have called you up. No, No, it's good. 6 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:15,239 Speaker 3: I'm romant. Thank you. 7 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 4: Can just keep it going this today. 8 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 2: This is the past that's gonna preside over my funeral 9 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 2: right here. 10 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: I like the past or outfits you got going on. 11 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: I am dressed. You know, we're in New York, so 12 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: you can't see like I'm walking the street. You can't 13 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 1: see his pants right now. I'm not gonna show him either. 14 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 4: So anyways, look, anywhere you listen to your podcast, at 15 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 4: first and foremost, we always want to thank you for 16 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 4: our listeners, our viewers. Tell a friend to tell a 17 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 4: friend to tell a friend. Give us a rating of 18 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 4: review five stars. I'm telling you, I'm not asking you 19 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,520 Speaker 4: five stars. And wherever you listen to your podcast, where 20 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 4: it's Apple Podcast or iHeart Music Radio, please give us 21 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 4: a link here follow let's do that. Peanut, who is 22 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 4: our guest today, an oldie but a goody. 23 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 2: I gotta read his resume because it's like fifteen years 24 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 2: worth of It's a lot. 25 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 1: It's a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot of Yeah, 26 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 1: let me just get to it. 27 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 2: Undrafted in two thousand and five, went to col went 28 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 2: to Carolina in five. He's made two Pro Bowls, was 29 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 2: the defensive MVP in twenty sixteen. Got him a car 30 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 2: out of that. 31 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 1: It's sure he pretty taxes on that. Okay. He was 32 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 1: the second team All throw in twenty sixteen. 33 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 2: Was the Buffalo Bill's Walter Payton Man of the Year 34 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 2: of recipient or nomine three times. His nickname is one 35 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 2: Man Game because he is heart and knows playing his 36 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 2: versatility and now he's doing amazing things with his foundation 37 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 2: through aces with the flag, football ladies and gentlemen. The 38 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 2: most interesting man in the world, Lorenzo. 39 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 3: Alexander appreciate that, fir Let's appreciate that. 40 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: I like the cow you got the I like the shirt. 41 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: I got that same shirt, the cow and everything. 42 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 5: It's a little customing, you know. I was in Buffalo 43 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 5: for a while. That's what New Area is. So I 44 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 5: got some people over there that kind of make me 45 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 5: one of a kind hat. So that's what I got 46 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 5: to realize. New Era is out of Buffalo. Yeah you 47 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 5: just turned forty. 48 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, I. 49 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: Was life man. 50 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 4: I saw your Instagram post too, and I just got 51 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 4: to be honest. Your birthday post to yourself a beautiful wife, 52 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 4: amazing family. 53 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: With the interception, Bro, you ain't had to do that. 54 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: You did not. First of all, it's a great break. 55 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: Great break came right in the middle, hesitate. I picked 56 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: that thing off. 57 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 2: The old man quarterback definitely was staring at down right 58 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 2: boom picked it off. 59 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 3: Was then you had to. 60 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 1: Drag the last yards. Then you spun on him. 61 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 5: To let me just I like really enjoyed playing those 62 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 5: type of games because I'm technically a big man at heart. 63 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 5: So when I came out, I was throwing the fifteen 64 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 5: pounds of detach get into that. Oh yeah, so we 65 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 5: can talk about that. So anytime I get to be 66 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 5: athletic and play dB, I'm going all out and giving 67 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,079 Speaker 5: you everything because Brian was my favorite player, yeah, as 68 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:02,079 Speaker 5: he was everybody else. 69 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 4: So, like you said, you went undrafted out of college 70 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 4: out of Cal. You were six to one, three hundred 71 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 4: and fifteen pounds over three hundred pounds coming out of Cale. 72 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: You you don't. 73 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 4: I didn't even realize you played defensive tackle. Looking up 74 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 4: your value and stuff, and so internally you know, you 75 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:21,679 Speaker 4: don't get drafted. You thought you were going to be 76 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,519 Speaker 4: a mid round guy. You don't get that call. Why 77 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 4: do you not stop? What says? 78 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 6: You know what? 79 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:28,679 Speaker 1: Because you can take it here. 80 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah? 81 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: Why do you not stop? 82 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 5: Initially you still say, well, I'm good, Right, they don't 83 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 5: know what they're talking about. So you know, you get 84 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 5: out there, you work out. You know, I was in Carolina, 85 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 5: as we mentioned, I had some good mentors down there. 86 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 5: I was down there with Julius Peppers, Bricks and Prison Buckner, 87 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 5: Mike Rutger. 88 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. So it's just a really good that's what I mean. 89 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, So that's one of the reasons why I picked 90 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 5: to go there as an undrafted guy. Let me learn 91 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 5: from these guys that was playing a four to three, 92 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 5: had just come off of maybe a Super Bowl berth 93 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 5: either that year the year prior, so, just a really 94 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 5: good organization. 95 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 3: And so get down there. 96 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 5: They had drafted another guy to Ellison and Jovon Hay 97 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 5: might have been the. 98 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 3: Other d lineman in our draft class. And you know, 99 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 3: you practicing and you can see that, you know, I 100 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 3: can do what. 101 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 5: They do, right, I can sit in here, maybe not 102 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 5: what Pep does, but yeah, yeah, maybe not what he 103 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 5: can do, but everybody else, Okay, I can see myself 104 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 5: in them and maybe playing, you know, and how they play. 105 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 5: And then you hear people are coaches talking, and then 106 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 5: you learn about some of the things that are out 107 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 5: of your control as a football player. A guy going 108 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 5: down another position, or we drafted this guy, so we 109 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 5: want to give him a shot. You're you're you're only 110 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 5: six to one. You know things I can't I can't change. 111 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 3: But you're a good football player. 112 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 5: And so going through some of that stuff being cut 113 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 5: being released, I guess ultimately I knew that I could 114 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 5: play because I was out there with those boys playing 115 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 5: and making plays. And then I also had my mom 116 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 5: and my uncle that were really the foundation, because at 117 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 5: one point after I got away from Carolina did think 118 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,919 Speaker 5: about quitting because that flying back and forth when you 119 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 5: are or sogent. 120 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: So we were East Coast guy. 121 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 5: If you go on like I was in Cali, right, 122 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 5: and then fly out to Baltimore, flyout to Minnesota just 123 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 5: for workout, and I get signed and I'm a col dude, 124 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 5: I'm like, man, I'm about to go yeah, my masters 125 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 5: or something. I'm not doing this. This is not my life. 126 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 5: So but they, you know, encouraged me to keep going. 127 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 5: And then I got actually got really lucky when I 128 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 5: got to Washington, had to work out with them, and 129 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 5: they actually chose another guy doing the workout, but he 130 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 5: pulled his hamstring and I got on that way and 131 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:34,799 Speaker 5: never looked back there ever since. 132 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 1: So what did you really learn? What did that teach you? 133 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 3: Though? 134 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: Going from from team, because I know we we literally 135 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:40,919 Speaker 1: talked about that. 136 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 2: I was like, man, he went from team to team 137 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,359 Speaker 2: and to go and living in this hotel. 138 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 4: It's really tough that four fifty fifth guy on the 139 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 4: rocks where it's like that. 140 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 1: But PETERA, No, I ran one forty. That was like 141 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: coming out. 142 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 4: You running, I got different coaches looking at you for 143 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 4: just a couple of minutes and you have to go 144 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 4: through this process over and over and over again. But 145 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 4: then yeah, but not only that, but didn't get told no, 146 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 4: right and so real as the whether like really, we're 147 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 4: on your mind, your your confidence because you got to 148 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 4: be confident to play ball, and so how does that 149 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 4: how do you continue to do that? 150 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 1: How do you continue to grind? 151 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 4: And also I also read a story that you you 152 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 4: kept a pair of cleats like did you really just. 153 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: Just in the bag all the time. 154 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 3: You just never know. 155 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 5: But but when I look back at I actually had 156 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 5: a boy that was we had a frat house, that's 157 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 5: what I called when I was in Washington, Burrow Toler. 158 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 5: He would come in, they would switch between him and 159 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 5: another guy off of the lineman every week. Yeah, he 160 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 5: would leave, then he'll come right back and he'd be 161 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 5: like we had like the third guy in our in 162 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 5: our apartment because we were sharing an apartment, you know, 163 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 5: trying to save money back then. So for me, it's 164 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 5: it's crazy. I look back, my journey as far as 165 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 5: being on that kind of circuit really wasn't that long. Yeah, 166 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 5: it have been like five weeks where I was like 167 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 5: really just coming off the couch to see if I 168 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 5: can get on the team. And I was able to 169 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 5: catch on with Washington, you know, you know, by God's grace. 170 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 5: But I think that's really what it was. I had 171 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 5: great mentorship at different every place that I was at, 172 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 5: you know, whether it was London Fletcher when I was 173 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 5: when I was in Washington, or Brinson Buckton when I 174 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 5: was in Carolina. Those guys really showed me what hard 175 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 5: work looked like. I was in I was in in 176 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 5: Baltimore for like three or four days and saw Ray 177 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 5: Lewis like up close personal, right, I'm like, oh, this 178 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 5: is why this dude is great. 179 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 3: This is work ethic, right, you get to get around greatness. 180 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 5: And so for me, it was a great learning experience 181 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 5: because I saw where I wasn't working, where my shortcomings were, 182 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 5: where I thought I was doing something, but like, man, 183 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 5: you ain't working if you want to be on this 184 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 5: level and hold down this type of job and you know, 185 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 5: deal with all the pressures. But it mainly came down 186 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 5: to me understanding I only can control what I can control, 187 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 5: and I can't worry about all the other stuff because 188 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 5: I used to get migraine headaches and be stressing and 189 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 5: over stuff that I can't even do nothing about. Right, 190 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 5: So I just had some real good wisdom for some 191 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 5: older guys kind of telling me how to you know, 192 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 5: let some of that stuff go as. 193 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 3: Best you can. 194 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. 195 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think the three of us we have 196 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 2: been truly blessed with having long careers. And I think 197 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 2: we all know that the NFL is it's you're here 198 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 2: today and you're gone tomorrow, and it's it's super quickly. 199 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 2: And I've had some great moments. I know you've had 200 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 2: some great moments. You have some great times. Fifteen years, 201 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 2: that's a long time, bro, Like, what was what was 202 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 2: one of your proudest moments of your career? 203 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 3: Wow? 204 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: Out of fifteen years, I. 205 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 5: Mean there's a ton I would say to Walter, Payton 206 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 5: is probably the one that stands out amongst the you 207 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 5: know the rest. 208 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: Because you get the signey on your jersey. 209 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 5: I never I never actually won the award. I'll tell 210 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 5: you a little funny story my last year. 211 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 3: You know. 212 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 5: No, typically they give it to guys on their way 213 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 5: out or later in the year, right, they want. 214 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:49,319 Speaker 3: To see some masturbation. 215 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 5: My my, my star was never as bright as some 216 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 5: other guys. I was kind of right there, always like 217 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 5: a high end, blue collar guy. 218 00:08:57,559 --> 00:08:59,559 Speaker 3: But we were at the I think it was in Miami. 219 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 5: Asked you in twenty nineteen, were sitting there they had 220 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 5: this was the first time they actually had acted. 221 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 3: Because you want it, right, I have. 222 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 5: One, Yeah, asked me like, hey, you know what would 223 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:11,199 Speaker 5: you say? Give you Let's talk about a couple of 224 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,439 Speaker 5: speeches where you're gonna be sitting. Make sure that you're 225 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 5: in your seat, right, and so you know, it's like 226 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:17,479 Speaker 5: two or three other guys. They're doing that with the finalists. 227 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:19,959 Speaker 5: And then they opened it up and said, this man 228 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 5: comes from humble beginnings, and me and my wife kind 229 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 5: of get ready to kind out so you can stand 230 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 5: up when they say your name. 231 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 3: Claius Campbell, I said, oh. 232 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 5: You know, just kind of just shut down inside. But 233 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 5: Clay's is a great guy as well. 234 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 3: There. 235 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 5: But that was kind of like funny as far as 236 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 5: me because I had been a nominee four times prior 237 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 5: to that. 238 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 3: That was my fifth time and I was retiring. It 239 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,079 Speaker 3: was the first round pick with no I think it 240 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 3: was the second round. 241 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 5: But Claire I never knew he was went to Miami, 242 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 5: but I didn't know Clayis was he was homeless when 243 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 5: he grew up. 244 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: Oh I didn't know that, right, Yeah, humble beginning. 245 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 3: It was like, oh man, that's real right there. 246 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:03,479 Speaker 1: I didn't have to deal with that. 247 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 5: Right, So it was just that that kind of stuff, 248 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 5: But that I think just being around those guys, I've 249 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:07,599 Speaker 5: gotten to know a lot of them, play with a 250 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 5: lot of guys. Thomas Davis is another guy played who 251 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 5: was actually the same draft class in Carolina. 252 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 3: Or same rookie class drafted. 253 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 5: So yeah, right, so just a lot of those different guys. 254 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 5: It's definitely not yeah, so just different guys like that 255 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 5: throughout my career. London that wanted one year as well, 256 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 5: Larry Fitzgerald. So I've been fortunate to play with a 257 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 5: lot of these dudes and get to know them and 258 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 5: who they are and how impactful they are in the 259 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 5: locker room and then more importantly in the community. And 260 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 5: coming from Oakland single mom, you know, my dad, my 261 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 5: uncle stepped in. So to be able to give back 262 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 5: to the community that way and be recognized by your teammates, 263 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 5: it was the coolest thing because every locker room I 264 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 5: was ever in, our teammates voted for that guy. So 265 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 5: recognized by them because they gonna tell you the truth 266 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 5: and you know, as far as you are what. 267 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:02,559 Speaker 3: You're doing, and so to be recognized by then, it 268 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 3: was really cool. 269 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. 270 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 2: The award has come a long way. Yeah, I know 271 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 2: sinces winning it when I want it. Back in thirteen, 272 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 2: I was a Bears nominee a couple of times. 273 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: And what they've tried to do with the award and 274 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: the money that they've. 275 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 3: Raised, Oh yeah, like they've they significant. 276 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:19,479 Speaker 1: It's significant. 277 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 2: It's significant from when I did it to when TT 278 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 2: when TD Thomas Davis when he wanted, like compared to 279 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 2: what it is right now, like they are doing some 280 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 2: amazing even just to. 281 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 4: Be nominated about your team is a significant amount of 282 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 4: money to your foundation. 283 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: And so they didn't used to do that. 284 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 5: It was like ten grand I think maybe early maybe 285 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 5: even when you wanted, they didn't even do They didn't 286 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 5: even do that. Like earlier on I would get like 287 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 5: a ten thousand dollars stipend, which is great money get 288 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 5: back at all the event. Yeah, and then by the 289 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 5: end it was like up to fifty thousand because you 290 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 5: were split it with the local nighted Way and then 291 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,319 Speaker 5: the greater would get five hundred thousand and his crazy. 292 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like life change, right of people. 293 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 2: And just so people know, like the player doesn't get 294 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 2: that money, that money goes toward the players foundation. 295 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: That's where to make sure we don't know. 296 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 4: So Lorenzo Man, so I didn't really recognize all of 297 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 4: the hoops and the things that you went through in 298 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 4: your career early right to get where you are, Like 299 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 4: I didn't realize you were d Lineman, a d tackle 300 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 4: I only recognized you when you were doing like the 301 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 4: Special Teams you were balling out in Washington, and then 302 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,319 Speaker 4: later on in Buffalo when you were really the starting outside. 303 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 1: I thought that was what who you were your whole career. 304 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:46,199 Speaker 4: I have to share this. As I looked up more 305 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 4: and more stuff on you. Is that so as you 306 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 4: started to trim down? All right, you're in Washington, Shanahan's 307 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 4: got you playing offensive line, tight end, fullback, and d lineman. 308 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 4: At times you're mostly a special teams guy, and they're like, okay, 309 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 4: we're going to three four, we need you to get down. 310 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 2: You're like, okay, whatever it takes. One man, gag, I 311 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:05,839 Speaker 2: got it right. Fred Smooth, by the way, give a 312 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:07,679 Speaker 2: shout to friend Smoke. He gave me that nickname. 313 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 4: One of the funniest, one of the funniest people I've 314 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 4: ever met in my life. I forget Friend Smooth's his 315 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 4: rap album he released one time, Oh my God, anyways, 316 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 4: but every Friend Smooth could do. 317 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: That's my boys. And then all of a sudden, but 318 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: one round you got on P ninety X. That is 319 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: the most taboo thing I've ever heard. But like, that's 320 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 1: what you did. 321 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 3: That was even I can't remember his name. 322 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 2: They had the dark hair due but the fact that 323 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 2: implemented some of that into like your workout to just 324 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 2: get down. 325 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, the cycling, Yeah, I mean I did some like 326 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 5: mm a kind of grappling because we had a guy 327 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 5: they used to do something. They had a gym and 328 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 5: guys with an Eddie Mason out in Virginia, and so 329 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:55,199 Speaker 5: I would do all those things. But to your point, 330 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 5: and actually started with Joe Gibbs. Man, you're talking about 331 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,679 Speaker 5: old school football coach and mostly young cats don't even 332 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 5: understand what football used to be like in the in 333 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 5: the early you know, nineties, two thousands, and Joe Gibbs 334 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 5: goes all the way back to setties. 335 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 3: You're right, So just a different mindset of dude. 336 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 5: And so like my hardest days were like probably with 337 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:17,959 Speaker 5: Joe Gibbs, and that's really what I think my foundation 338 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 5: football wise got said. As far as the league, you know, 339 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 5: Paddy practices on Fridays, hit him right in the chin, 340 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 5: live drills. I mean, it's just just different crazy yeah, 341 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 5: old school said, but during that time, it's really where 342 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 5: it came. Where I was on practice squad and I 343 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 5: tell people that was my hardest years because I literally 344 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 5: took every single rep that you possibly could take in practice, 345 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 5: so offensive look, defensive looks. 346 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 3: I did not come out. 347 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 5: I got what is this my man rock cart right, like, man, 348 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 5: this is how we work here. I'm like, man, this 349 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 5: is crazy, but that's really how they saw me, right, 350 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 5: how they saw Yeah, well he's a good golf. 351 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. 352 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 5: It really really showed them that I could multi dimensional. 353 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 5: I could play some offensive line and hold my own 354 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 5: with some of the starters, and then be on special team. 355 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 5: Even though I was big, I was coming down. I 356 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 5: could understand the concepts. I was always chasing Danny Smith around. 357 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 5: Hey man, put me on something, because you know, for 358 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 5: young guys and you get that special teams coach to 359 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 5: put you out there, show out you can at least 360 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 5: kind of maybe secure. He'll stand on the table for you. 361 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 5: So it started being in the wedge. And then I 362 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 5: remember one game, Oh yeah, I'll. 363 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 3: Tell you football. 364 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 2: So for for here, on kick return, you get like 365 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 2: the four biggest guys they would lot like this grid 366 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 2: the wall, and then if you were the I guess 367 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 2: on kickoff your job was just to run down, split 368 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 2: the wedge. 369 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 4: Hit the guy in the chin, right exactly. Sometime the 370 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 4: two would have so many on the wedge guys. 371 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 3: Right once in a while to come down to try 372 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 3: to stay. I couldn't wait for that guy, like you 373 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 3: don't see him, I don't see you. 374 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: I see you being buss Yeah, y'all was crazy. 375 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, so doing that and then eventually it's transition. I 376 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 5: was two ninety five running down on kickoff at the 377 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 5: three and running through. 378 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: The wedg definitely right, yeah, definitely hitting it. 379 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 5: So just see evolved over time, and so as they 380 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 5: saw me do multiple things, Shannon had eventually got there, 381 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 5: saw me covering on kicks and felt like I could 382 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 5: play in space. And so over those maybe three to 383 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 5: four years, I would just lose like ten to fifteen 384 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 5: pounds p ninety X. When I got married, I stopped drinking, 385 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 5: riding by just a ton of different things, cross training 386 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 5: that really helped me lose that weight incrementally over over 387 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 5: my last or my maybe my last three four years 388 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 5: in Washington. 389 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 4: All right, and you know, as you were going through 390 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 4: all of that, I want to get to one thing 391 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 4: that's kind of serious, and I thought it was very vital. 392 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: I'm a man of faith, and. 393 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 4: So could you maybe just share with the listeners and 394 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 4: the viewers. All right, how you spoke about when after 395 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 4: Sean Taylor's death, how it really changed you. It's like, 396 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 4: you know what, I'm at this point, I'm giving my life. 397 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 4: You really focused, and. 398 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 5: So we already had guys that were kind of working 399 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 5: on me. You know, you think about James Thrash and 400 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 5: Antoine Rando Leo, another body that's more my age, Kendrick Ghoston. 401 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 5: Just just a lot of good brothers, men of faith 402 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 5: that were not only talking in the locker room about it, 403 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 5: you know, in their bibles, but were living it out 404 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 5: when you would go out or go over to the 405 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 5: houses with their families. There's something different about them. U 406 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 5: passor Brett Fuller was our team chaplain had already kind 407 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 5: of been talking to me going to chapels, and when 408 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 5: Sean passed, I think that thing just kind of just 409 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 5: kicked me over the edge because we were the same 410 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 5: age and you look up, you know, when you playing ball, 411 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 5: you feel like, Okay, I'm invincible, can't nothing stop me 412 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 5: and do whatever I want to do. And that really, 413 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 5: I mean knocked everybody kind of back a little bit. 414 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 5: As far as you know, a guy that was here 415 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 5: one day and not there the next day. 416 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 3: You're great, right, great? Oh yeah great. 417 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 5: And it was actually as a man was making a 418 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 5: lot of strides from a maturity standpoint, had just had 419 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:04,199 Speaker 5: his daughter, my wife now is really close with, was 420 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 5: really close with his fiance Jackie, and just getting to 421 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 5: know their family a little bit. But just seeing that 422 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 5: that process and then he couldn't finish it right to 423 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 5: really become great on and off the field and become 424 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 5: the man that he wanted. 425 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 3: To be was just abruptly stopped. 426 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 5: And so you know, I already had that working for me, 427 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 5: and as far as like where I was leaning to 428 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 5: as far as people around me and not feeling out 429 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 5: playing ball, making money, but I was feeling empty and 430 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 5: I didn't know what that was. And just watching those 431 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 5: guys and then seeing Sean pass really pushed me towards 432 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 5: Christ and giving my life up and really trying to 433 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 5: pursue them every day since then, back in two thousand 434 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:46,120 Speaker 5: and eight, So you know, obviously that's a life walk. 435 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 5: You're never there, but definitely trying to continue to cultivate 436 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 5: myself right, love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, gentleness, faithfulness, discipline, 437 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 5: trying to make sure I am breathing living those things 438 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 5: every day, not only for myself, my wife and my kids, 439 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 5: and then my community. 440 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: I'm gonna hit that one more time. How many of 441 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:04,159 Speaker 1: those games, there's a lot of it. 442 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 3: Sometimes you forget a couple, hold on, hold. 443 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: On past them, missed. 444 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 3: I think you missed a couple. 445 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 5: Love, joy's, peace, patience, faithfulness, gentleness, and discipline, own mind. 446 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:25,439 Speaker 3: Think seven right, Yeah, okay, I'm good. I'm good, all right. 447 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 2: But like, but since so, I know when I retired 448 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 2: certain coaches or whatever, Like, hey, can you can you 449 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:40,439 Speaker 2: talk to a player? 450 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,360 Speaker 1: Talk to this player, just mentor ask them a couple 451 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: of questions. And I have I feel like we have 452 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: a wealth of knowledge about the game of football, and I. 453 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 2: Kind of know that's something you're doing right now, you know, 454 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 2: mentoring other other players because you have so much knowledge 455 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 2: about what you did right, what you did wrong, and 456 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 2: the people that helped you along that way when you 457 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 2: first started. So can you talk about how just kind 458 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 2: of what you're doing now and and and mentoring some 459 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 2: of these these athletes. 460 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 3: Yeah. 461 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 5: So the cool thing about when you play a long time, 462 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 5: you just play with a ton of guys, guys you 463 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 5: forget about man Man, I played with you like damn 464 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 5: man or you have at least, you know, one degree 465 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 5: of separational you have a connection point and so you know, 466 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 5: obviously the later on my career being that mental in 467 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 5: the locker room and helping guys, young guys come in 468 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 5: or even some venteran guys that sometimes trying to figure 469 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 5: out what life is all about was something that was 470 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,399 Speaker 5: always on my heart as far as serving, you know, 471 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 5: the men in our locker room. So transitioning out having 472 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 5: been part of the nfl PAS Executive Committee and sitting 473 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 5: on the board as a rep multiple times, it was 474 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,679 Speaker 5: like almost like a seamless transition to now work with 475 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 5: gods as they transition out and having built building a 476 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 5: relationship relationship with Tracy Perlman over the years being part 477 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 5: of the Man in a Year because that's one of 478 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 5: her initiatives that she works over as well. Had a 479 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:02,679 Speaker 5: couple of conversations and went to the to welcome legends. 480 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 5: Welcome like when you retired, they bring you in. Mine 481 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 5: was kind of weird because right after it was right 482 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 5: after COVID. It was supposed to being twenty twenty, but 483 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 5: it got pushed back. But one end was talking to 484 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 5: her and Laura, and it was like, man, you need 485 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 5: to be a community coordinator, Like yeah, cool, Because I 486 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 5: was always trying to see if I wanted to be 487 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 5: a PA player director, one of those guys that come 488 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 5: in to help you like figure out the business. But 489 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,639 Speaker 5: this really, you know, kind of fit what I wanted 490 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,679 Speaker 5: to do as far as having time with the family, 491 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 5: but more important to be able to impact the guys 492 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 5: because this is where a lot of guys struggle at. 493 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: And fall through the cracks. 494 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, And because it's hard. I mean it's hard for anybody. 495 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,439 Speaker 5: I mean most people go through transition, right, but you 496 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 5: can still maybe find a job that you were in 497 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 5: or it feels that you love to do. I mean, 498 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 5: it ain't nowhere else. You're gonna go play ball at 499 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 5: a high level. I mean, you can go out to 500 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 5: the park like I do on Thanksgiving, right, have a 501 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 5: couple of I INT's, you know, a couple of tds. 502 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 5: You know pick six is maybe hit a guy on accident, you. 503 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 3: Know what I mean. You can do that, but it 504 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,360 Speaker 3: ain't it ain't it ain't the same. Right you don't 505 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 3: have that. 506 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 5: You don't have the community, the locker room, that feel 507 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 5: and so being a part of a guy's journey and 508 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:12,679 Speaker 5: just really helping them understand that they are equipped to 509 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 5: do anything that they want to do in life. And 510 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 5: I think a lot of guys are stopped by fear 511 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 5: and anxiety and that gap of I don't know because 512 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 5: I haven't done it, not realizing that the game has 513 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,959 Speaker 5: cultivated a lot of things in them that are transferable 514 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 5: to anything you want to do. Just a lot of 515 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 5: guys just don't see it, right, And that's just how 516 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 5: we've been conditioned since we were whatever age you started 517 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 5: playing sports. That being accountable, being disciplined, being humble, or culturable, 518 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,679 Speaker 5: you know, excellent has been just around that sport and 519 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,199 Speaker 5: you haven't had to really applied in other areas. And 520 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,120 Speaker 5: so I went back and got my masters in life 521 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,120 Speaker 5: coaching to maybe help guys, you know, kind of see 522 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 5: some of that stuff a little bit differently because a 523 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 5: lot of us just reframing, helping them see it from 524 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 5: a different perspective, right, that you can still be impactful 525 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 5: in life because that's what you were on the football field. 526 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 5: You're part of a team, going out there doing your 527 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 5: job at a high level. Having camaraderie, you can build 528 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,679 Speaker 5: that in other spaces. It's gonna feel a little different, 529 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 5: it's gonna look different, but you can still serve and 530 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 5: have a purpose driven life in another area without ball Man. 531 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 4: That's beautiful, and we need more people like you saying 532 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 4: that to other guys as they're starting to transition. That's 533 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 4: we've done some of these other interviews the last couple 534 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:29,880 Speaker 4: of days, like same conversation, right, and it's all the time, 535 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 4: and there is no perfect answer for it either and 536 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 4: so and so it really figured this out. 537 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 1: Hearing it more and more about every different person or. 538 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 4: God makes me feel like, you know, I think we 539 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 4: really are serving more people and more people need to 540 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 4: continue to hear this because this is a true a 541 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 4: true feeling, a true statement, and it's understood by all 542 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,400 Speaker 4: of us, not just a few of us right who 543 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 4: actually struggle or go through certain things or might not 544 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 4: be figuring it all out. So I appreciate that we're 545 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 4: gonna take a short break and we'll be back in 546 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 4: a minute. And now I want to ask you another 547 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 4: thing about something you're very passionate about, and that's your 548 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 4: foundations with ACES and how you have partnered up with 549 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,920 Speaker 4: the NFL and the flag football and how big it's going. 550 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 4: I've seen the flag football league in my area here 551 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,400 Speaker 4: in Charlotte, North Carolina, and how it's blowing up. I'm 552 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 4: signing my son up. He's gonna play next year. Uh 553 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 4: so we're gonna see how this thing goes. 554 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 5: He's seven, Okay, man, you want to fly him out 555 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:25,640 Speaker 5: to Phoenix every weekend? 556 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 3: You know what I mean. He's always you don't get 557 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 3: coached up now coaching all Now. 558 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: That's what I want. 559 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 4: And so it's funny because you know, I'm always like, 560 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 4: all right, when am I gonna let him play? And 561 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 4: growing up, we were not told like flag football has 562 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,360 Speaker 4: any type of it was not play. 563 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was like it's not even All you're. 564 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 4: Doing is making himself And now seeing the benefits of 565 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 4: flag football, I want to let you talk about most 566 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,439 Speaker 4: of them, but I see it because you learn how 567 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 4: to play in space. 568 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of the things that. 569 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,199 Speaker 4: We do in practice every day, which is learn how 570 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 4: to play the game of football without the contact to 571 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 4: keep us healthy. It's another way to learn the angles, 572 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,360 Speaker 4: the way the ball moves plays, concepts. 573 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 3: Please jump said you just said everything you said, You're 574 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 3: gonna leave it for me. That's everything right, there's still. 575 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: A little bit of meat on that. 576 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 3: Yes, it's a great space to be in. I have 577 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 3: two boys. 578 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 5: I actually have a daughter as well as a freshman 579 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 5: that's playing high school flag football. 580 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 1: I hope my wife is that right? Because the sport 581 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:38,719 Speaker 1: now end on what state you're in. 582 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 5: It's a high school like ours is an Arizona Athletic Commission, 583 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,120 Speaker 5: and they have it in some nai schools have scholarships 584 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 5: already out. 585 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: There, some free money. 586 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, and so in a couple of years we hopefully 587 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,719 Speaker 3: some of these d ones, right, you know secs. Why 588 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 3: wouldn't they do? You know the women give you a 589 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 3: video game? Right? Yeah, So it's that's a growing sport. 590 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 5: So I I've loved being in it, understanding all of 591 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,959 Speaker 5: the ramification that comes from playing a collision sport like football. Right, 592 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 5: the concussions, especially when we played the first and even 593 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 5: probably towards the end of my career, because I was 594 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 5: already conditioned. You've running back out there after you've seen 595 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,880 Speaker 5: some black spots, it didn't matter smelling salts. No, I'm good, 596 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 5: don't come check me. Where's my helmet at? You know, 597 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 5: I'm about to go right back out there. 598 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 3: And so right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, right, yeah, 599 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:29,640 Speaker 3: all that stuff that you kind of you know, kind 600 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 3: of remember. So you can get back out there. 601 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 5: To be able to protect my son but still allow 602 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,120 Speaker 5: him to play a game that he saw me play, 603 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 5: as well as my daughter be coming to the locker room. 604 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 3: That's one thing people are gonna let your son play. 605 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 5: I say, yeah, I'm just gonna push it down the 606 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 5: road because I didn't pay until high school, so to 607 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 5: your point, and I think that's allowed me to play fifteen. 608 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 5: I don't know how many did you get in I 609 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 5: got thirteen, eleven. Yeah, I don't know if I could 610 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 5: have played. And I'm still mad at Joe Gibbs because 611 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 5: I think he took a couple of years off my 612 00:26:58,560 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 5: career early early. 613 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: That hard. 614 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 3: If I've had more football earlier year, right, I. 615 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 5: Don't know if I would have played fifteen, because it 616 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 5: it just gets hard on the back end. So but 617 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 5: just saving your body so that you don't have to 618 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 5: deal with some of it, even like the soft tissue 619 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 5: injuries in addition to the head or the concussions that 620 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 5: you want to kind of limit because football. I tell 621 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 5: my son all the time, he's nipping at me every day. 622 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,640 Speaker 5: He's thirteen, he's going into the seventh grade. 623 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 3: I want to play. I want to play. 624 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 5: I'm gonnalet him play next year, so he has a 625 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 5: little one year before high school, eighth grade. 626 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:31,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna give just to give him a little 627 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 3: feel for it, so you're not getting knocked around. But 628 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 3: it's a hard game. 629 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 5: It's not like I kind of like it. I'm gonna 630 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 5: get out there and play like baseball basketball. So I'm 631 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 5: trying to save me from himself because he really doesn't know, 632 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 5: and he can playing working out with me. 633 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 3: He's he's like, it's one hundred degrees. 634 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 5: I'm like, you're gonna be having helm and the shoulder 635 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 5: pass in this in another year, so you're not gonna 636 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 5: be complaining the right. 637 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 3: So just s get him to understand. 638 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 5: But the flag football has allowed him to kind of 639 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 5: play it, be a part of it, and then learn 640 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 5: all those concepts you was talking about. We're just gonna 641 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 5: be beneficial, you know, planning space, avoid of evading people, 642 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 5: trying to pull your flag, moving your feet, hand out, coordination, 643 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,159 Speaker 5: I mean, just all the things outside of the contact. 644 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 5: The only thing that's different, obviously is five on five 645 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 5: and so as a coach, I have to start teaching 646 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 5: principles of this is what it actually is gonna look like, right, 647 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,199 Speaker 5: versus five on five. But you can still do all 648 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,680 Speaker 5: the man on man and man and cover two concepts 649 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 5: and cover three concepts with five on five. 650 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 3: You just have to be a little creative. 651 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,399 Speaker 5: And so it's gotten him to understand, so it'll at 652 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:37,119 Speaker 5: least have some type of experience and knowledge of have 653 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 5: being out there, and so it's been beneficial. I mean, 654 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 5: and it's really grown and it's a lot of fun. 655 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 5: It's very competitive, but I think it's huge. 656 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 4: Football is the one sport that in America you can 657 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 4: start late and still be great. 658 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: At it if you got the size of the ability, 659 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 1: like we can find a spot. 660 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 5: Oh yeah yeah yeah, and the mentality right because it's 661 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 5: not as skillful as like baseball. 662 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 4: Shout out to your son. I saw my instagram hit 663 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 4: that opposite field home run to lead. 664 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 3: Yeah I appreciate that. Yeah yeah that's Cooperstown you know. 665 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, pretty big time as well. 666 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 4: So yeah, just gotta be cool as the father seeing 667 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 4: your son shining anything. 668 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 3: He's way better than I ever was just way better. 669 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: And uh, it's really cool. To. 670 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 4: You know, I started playing football in fourth grade, and 671 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 4: so you can guys, like you said, you started in 672 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 4: high school and you hear these stories and I didn't 673 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 4: know it because I started so young. He started eighth grade, 674 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 4: and you guys still played and played longer than I did. 675 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 4: So it's it's still you. It's more than one way 676 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 4: to skin a cat. So I think that's really cool. 677 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 4: Just continue to share that and encouraging more parents and families. 678 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 5: But if I don't want a championship, I probably wouldn't 679 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 5: have played fifteen. 680 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 3: I was chasing championship. Both of y'all got rings, don't y'all? 681 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 3: Are you missed? You missed it? 682 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 5: Oh? 683 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 3: I thought you Oh, I know you got one. I 684 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 3: know I thought you had one too, though, Look right, 685 00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 3: I don't have you know what I'm saying. Both I 686 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 3: didn't even I thought you want to? 687 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, I've never been to one. I 688 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 5: don't think I've ever been out of the first round 689 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 5: of playoffs, you know. So it's just a different grind 690 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:13,959 Speaker 5: over here. 691 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 1: You know. 692 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 6: Soon as you said that, I was like, I know, ys, 693 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 6: like every year must be nice? Yeahrew back there, it 694 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 6: got nice, Drew Drew want to give him a shot out. 695 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: He got that ring. He didn't even do nothing. He 696 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 1: didn't do nothing, he didn't make a tackle, nothing. 697 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, you gotta have him to come back do nothing. 698 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 1: I like it. I like that. The room was like, 699 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 1: all right, I got a fun question for you. You ready. 700 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: Do you remember your first NFL sack? 701 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, Seattle Seahawks two thousand and eight, that was hasfled 702 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 5: Back because I was with him. You know, he served 703 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 5: on the see too, so I used to always tell him, Ye, 704 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 5: he was my first set. 705 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: Okay, did you have a dance or did you like 706 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: with no celebration? 707 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 3: You know who was that? That gives still no, I 708 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 3: wouldn't give that was uh. But we had old school coaches, 709 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 3: so we. 710 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 5: Had oh you had him with Greg Williams. Yeah, and 711 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 5: then we had Greg Gloss. I don't know if you've 712 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 5: ever been around. Oh yeah, did you have in Chicago? Yeah, 713 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 5: rookie year, So you know what that's that's yeah. So 714 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 5: that's where I came and that's where I came from. 715 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 3: So I'm not doing nothing. 716 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, undrafted man, play man, I'm going right back to 717 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 5: the huddle, head down. 718 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 3: I didn't do nothing. Yeah, he had you worried in 719 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 3: practice over some stacks. 720 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 1: Man. 721 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 5: Gosh, that was yeah, well Greg would I didn't have 722 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 5: to deal with him as much, but he was insane. 723 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 5: Up down, y'all do the updowns, drill up down, run 724 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 5: and go get a can you and get the car? 725 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 3: Got do? Man? 726 00:31:58,800 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 5: What is this? 727 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 3: We had guy A C trying to die for that 728 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 3: we had. 729 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 1: It was three guys and co. 730 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, you got. 731 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: Right. 732 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 3: It was everybody wanted to do that. It was. 733 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: Man mad. 734 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 3: It was. 735 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 1: What was your welcome to the NFL? 736 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 3: Oh Man, welcome the NFL moment? Man? I don't I 737 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 3: don't know, I don't know. I don't know. That just 738 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 3: threw me all off right there reminiscing was that he 739 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 3: probably was my welcoming moment. Man. 740 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 5: That's craziness. Man over there, Man, that was that was insane. Man, 741 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 5: I don't know, I don't know. 742 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 1: I'll just call it that drill. 743 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 3: Did You'll have to do up down to yes to 744 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,480 Speaker 3: get in yes, so to be a part of it 745 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 3: right down like first. 746 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 1: So it's like forty up downs, he sudden, he said 747 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 1: the tone and so no. 748 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 4: But in two thousand and nine when we were the 749 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 4: Super Bowl, we were like bringing guys during playoffs just 750 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,800 Speaker 4: to like get us a good updown day. 751 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 1: Because individuals after that, we're bringing the cast off the street, 752 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: just like n see what they're gonna do. 753 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:24,960 Speaker 3: Bro, it's bad. It was. 754 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 2: I'm just glad I was not the only one that 755 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 2: had to do that. This wasn't just us, this is 756 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 2: now you had to get them to right. 757 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. You know what, as you remember that. 758 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 5: Big Leonard Davis Gerard having to play one technique and 759 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 5: talking about having good technique, trying to stay low on 760 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 5: both of them boys, low dipped the shoulder and the 761 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 5: double team and all you doing is just moving backwards. 762 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 5: That was probably my welcome the NFL moment that just 763 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 5: kind of popped on my head. Big both of them dude, 764 00:33:58,200 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 5: and they had Colombo out there. That was just a 765 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 5: different off of the line type of error when you 766 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 5: just had all them dudes from the team to take. 767 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 5: But yeah, but Leonard had to be like Phonnic Pounds 768 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 5: and just trying to hold a double team against them 769 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,799 Speaker 5: dudes and not have great technique and not be able 770 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 5: to do anything until they decide to let you go. 771 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 2: That was pretty uh got me in college. I was 772 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 2: about one hundred and eighty pounds. He just threw me 773 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 2: like great, just a big man, yeah, like scary, massive individual. 774 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 1: All right, Nope, nope, I got the I got I 775 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 1: got one. It's gonna be I guess, kind of serious 776 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 1: or make him think for you. 777 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, That's why I say, Okay, we like 778 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,279 Speaker 4: to ask, Sister, all of our guests, we asked them 779 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 4: about their Mount Rushmore. Who is their Mount Rushmore? Influence 780 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:46,880 Speaker 4: on your life, your experience through football, life, all of that. 781 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 4: You got four and you're free two of them already, 782 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 4: all right. 783 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:57,279 Speaker 5: But uh man, my uncle see yeah, I mean my 784 00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,799 Speaker 5: mom is there too, but as far as football, she's 785 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:00,399 Speaker 5: more life. 786 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 3: But my uncle, for sure. London Fletcher would be two. 787 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 1: Man, London. I know, I know the bile, but I 788 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: want to listeners let them know. 789 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 5: So obviously London is probably I mean he should be 790 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,719 Speaker 5: in the Hall of Fame by now, but one of 791 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,920 Speaker 5: the greatest linebackers ever played this game. I think he 792 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,759 Speaker 5: got sixteen years in, won a Super Bowl, went to 793 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 5: another one like. 794 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 4: Eight tho times, right, I mean he's the deepest covered 795 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 4: two linebacker I've ever seen. 796 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:34,839 Speaker 5: Yeah, just athletic, fast, strong, very intelligent, probably the only 797 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 5: player I think could have called the defense and then 798 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,399 Speaker 5: played at a high level and been very effective doing both. 799 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 3: Man of faith. 800 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,279 Speaker 5: And then when I was in Washington if you've never 801 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 5: played for Washington, our facility was in Ashburn. It's near Fairfact, Ashburn, 802 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 5: and then our stadium was in Landover, Maryland, and we 803 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,359 Speaker 5: used to stay in like PG County, So that's an 804 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 5: hour from Ashburn's for home games and then probably another 805 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,719 Speaker 5: thirty minute drive to our stadium on game days. And 806 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 5: he was one of the guys that I would ride 807 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 5: to the game with every week during the season. We 808 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,879 Speaker 5: used to have some real, some real conversations about life 809 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 5: and if you I mean he went to John. 810 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,360 Speaker 3: Carroll's a hooper, you know, transition to playing football. 811 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:21,000 Speaker 5: I mean he had some some some some family dynamics 812 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 5: that he just learned from and overcame and just learned 813 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 5: about that and how he became you know, you know 814 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 5: marriage and then marriage is his wife that he's with now, 815 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 5: developed his family. 816 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,200 Speaker 3: Just some real, just good. 817 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,239 Speaker 5: Life stuff that you learn about how to be a 818 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,720 Speaker 5: man within this craziness of the NFL. 819 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,399 Speaker 3: And so that's why you know London is is way 820 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,879 Speaker 3: up there, you know, he's pretty growth for too. Yeah, yeah, 821 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 3: I know I need to. I need to get with London. Man, 822 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,560 Speaker 3: he's you ain't gonna never beat me. So that's all right, 823 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:48,399 Speaker 3: I'm coming. I'm coming. 824 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,279 Speaker 5: I'm working silently right now on Phoenix. So so I'll 825 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,279 Speaker 5: be out there. I'm gonna come out there and let 826 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:53,440 Speaker 5: you know. 827 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,799 Speaker 1: Yeah we got so who. 828 00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 3: Wins all the time we had against each other? Okay, 829 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:01,360 Speaker 3: you he's scared of you. Scared. 830 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:07,759 Speaker 1: I'm probably he not that good though, Okay, but I 831 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:09,120 Speaker 1: still call Hi when I need a lesson. 832 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,799 Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, so yeah, but I'm working side. Who else 833 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 5: is up on that Mount Rushmore? I would say Danny Smith, 834 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,799 Speaker 5: special teams coach. He's with the Pittsburgh Steelers right now. 835 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:22,080 Speaker 5: He really gave me my first opportunity to play on 836 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,040 Speaker 5: teams and just taught me a lot of a ton 837 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,719 Speaker 5: of stuff. And then, man, I mean, this is so 838 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:32,480 Speaker 5: many other guys that's right there. I say Chris Samuels, 839 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:36,359 Speaker 5: probably Mike Sellers. Mike Sellers, another big bro full back, right, 840 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,919 Speaker 5: another special team demon. You know, he was two hundred 841 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,440 Speaker 5: and ninety five. His two ninety five looked different than mine. Know, 842 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 5: he was rocked up, solid, you know, looked like a 843 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:47,799 Speaker 5: little yeah, a little bodybuilder out there. 844 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,719 Speaker 3: So he probably be my fourth as far as it's teaching. 845 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,040 Speaker 5: Me again the game and then life and hanging out 846 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:54,719 Speaker 5: with him and growing up with him a little bit 847 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 5: in the league too. So those are probably my top 848 00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 5: four guys, and it's probably it's a ton of other 849 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,239 Speaker 5: guys that I probably left later my years. You had 850 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,920 Speaker 5: Leslie Fraser two, you know, Chicago, So I really enjoyed 851 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,080 Speaker 5: being around Leslie Fraser as far as you know, he's 852 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,480 Speaker 5: a man of faith as well, dude. Yeah, and it's working, 853 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,239 Speaker 5: you know, helped me cultivate my leadership and later in 854 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,400 Speaker 5: my career and what transition was gonna look like when 855 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,920 Speaker 5: I got done on top of just being just an 856 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 5: awesome dude and being around and playing football for. 857 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, man, we appreciate you coming on. You got 858 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:26,759 Speaker 1: in like hell of late. 859 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, I didn't want to cancel you man. You know, 860 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 5: if y'all didn't play bar be like man, I'll see 861 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 5: y'all later, man, So. 862 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,120 Speaker 1: I really appreciate. I know, flight delayed. You got in 863 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:39,520 Speaker 1: at three. 864 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,399 Speaker 2: We got the eight am, so yeah, you still came 865 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,200 Speaker 2: in and for y'all, we I think you're riding with 866 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:46,960 Speaker 2: us over We're going to fill it later on to 867 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:48,440 Speaker 2: go to films do some more stuff. 868 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,120 Speaker 1: So, yeah, we appreciate you always. 869 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:57,400 Speaker 3: I'm gonna go get something somewhere in here, right, I appreciate, 870 00:38:58,280 --> 00:38:59,080 Speaker 3: I appreciate you guys. 871 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 1: You drink that car, You're gonna be up now. Na. 872 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,799 Speaker 1: This is just something that is keep you right, all right, 873 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,320 Speaker 1: appreciate you. Hey, I'm Peanut. 874 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,520 Speaker 2: That's Rome, that's a This is an NFL Player Segments podcast, 875 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:14,279 Speaker 2: and we out