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Speaker 1: to the podcast We're Off and Running, Baby. But before

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Speaker 1: Every time you see a highlight of him in training camp,

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Speaker 1: he looks awesome. He is awesome. He was my number

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Speaker 1: one guy just based on watching the three of them,

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Speaker 1: because his upside. Marvin Harrison's upside is not that it

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean Marvin Harrison won't be the best of the group,

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Speaker 1: but I think most people you talked to thought either

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Speaker 1: one two Malik Harrison or Harrison Malik. And then there

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Speaker 1: was a little gap, and again little gaps difference of

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Speaker 1: like I take this guy in the top five and

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Speaker 1: this guy's probably more somewhere like ten to fifteen on

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Speaker 1: a typical year value scale. In Rome, Rome's really good.

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Speaker 1: I like him a lot, like he's gonna be solid

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. But Malik's ceiling is just that was

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Speaker 1: the thing with like Odell, you knew right away, like

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Speaker 1: his high end is so freaking high because the explosion,

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Speaker 1: the willingness, the ball skills. But can't Daniel Jones get

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Speaker 1: him the ball? If I told you Malik Neighbors was

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Speaker 1: with Kyler, You're like, shit, there could be some serious

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Speaker 1: fireworks here or some bombs. Just go deep, baby, right

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Speaker 1: you put Malik Nighbors, It's like what happened with DK

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Speaker 1: DK got drafted. It's like, who's this guy that runs

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Speaker 1: really fast and a super jacked Oh, he's just going

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Speaker 1: And this at the time when Russell was good with

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Speaker 1: and what happened they were awesome. So I just don't

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Speaker 1: love the fit because best case scenario, Daniel Jones a

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Speaker 1: poor man's Alex Smith. Alex never thrived with guys like that.

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Speaker 1: And the difference is like even Tyreek Hill, you could

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Speaker 1: obviously Tyreek blew up really when they kind of went

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Speaker 1: from Mahomes or Alex to Mahomes. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you saw that picture of the viral video. I was

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Speaker 1: just scrolling the other night and saw it and I

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Speaker 1: just scrolled right by Alex's leg. Did's just talk about

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Speaker 1: a crazy story when he almost lost his leg and

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Speaker 1: they had that they were gonna amputate it and his

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Speaker 1: wife talked him out of it. Anyone that hasn't seen

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Speaker 1: that thirty for thirty. If you want a good cry,

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Speaker 1: that's that's a good watch. But that leg, man, it's

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Speaker 1: it's remarkable what modern medicine can do to keep something

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Speaker 1: on because that does not look like a lower leg.

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Speaker 1: It really does. Even Tiger Wood's leg went viral like

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Speaker 1: a couple weeks ago, it doesn't look nearly like that.

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Speaker 1: And it doesn't look great. It doesn't look good. You

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Speaker 1: really sometimes take a step back and have some gratitude.

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Speaker 1: Just man.

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Speaker 1: Mail Bag made an account to ask you this question.

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Speaker 1: Following tools Deal, you went pretty hard. You are shorting

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Speaker 1: the Fins the next three or four years. My question

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Speaker 1: is are you shorting the Jags in the same way.

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Speaker 1: Two has been objectively better than Trevor. The Jags are

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Speaker 1: equally dysfunctioned in the last twenty years. You could argue

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Speaker 1: Trevor won a playoff game. I would argue Staley choked

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Speaker 1: that playoff game. I agree though Trevor played pretty good,

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Speaker 1: but the guys were wide open. I just wonder if

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Speaker 1: you view them as the same potential wise, both guys

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Speaker 1: who will never be in the top five in their

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Speaker 1: own conference and have a quarterback in their division who

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Speaker 1: is clearly much better if you wanted to to take

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Speaker 1: thirty something MILLI year, I feel Trevor should have given

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Speaker 1: the exact same treatment. I didn't love either deal. I

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Speaker 1: thought the Jags were crazy, and I don't like the

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Speaker 1: Jags that much either, but I'm not I don't take

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Speaker 1: the Jags add seriously to begin with. Like to me,

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Speaker 1: they are clearly the third best team in that division,

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Speaker 1: and if Callahan and those guys in Tennessee can just

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Speaker 1: turn Will Levis into a top fifteen quarterback. Like who

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Speaker 1: to say the Jacks couldn't be last. So I'm not

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Speaker 1: high on the Jacks. I don't act like the Jags

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Speaker 1: or some serious operation. My thing with Tua is, like

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Speaker 1: you said, objectively the stats. Yeah, you're just going to

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Speaker 1: pull up the stats and they look oh good. You're like,

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Speaker 1: this is just the numbers. If you just let the

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Speaker 1: stat sheet his box scores, go to wiki and see

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Speaker 1: the year by year, you're like, oh, he's the last

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Speaker 1: couple of years. I know that's a guy. As Tommy

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Speaker 1: Lasorda once famously said that if you have a big

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Speaker 1: game and you're the Bengals, you're the Chiefs, you're the Ravens,

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Speaker 1: you're the Bills, you want to send a limo to

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Speaker 1: his hotel to pick him up, to make sure he's

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Speaker 1: on the sideline when the kickoff starts, because you can't

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Speaker 1: wait to play him. I'm not talking about October tenth, which,

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Speaker 1: like I said, games in the NFL matter. That's why

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Speaker 1: they make the playoffs because they win a lot of

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Speaker 1: games September in October when it starts getting cold and

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Speaker 1: it starts getting windy and it starts getting rainy, and

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Speaker 1: I'm one of the big boys. I'm licking my lips.

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Speaker 1: And that's not me being a hater. That's actually what

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Speaker 1: has happened. We just saw it. How do you ever

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Speaker 1: forget what happened last year? The Bills were six and six,

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Speaker 1: the Dolphins were cruising and the dust settled. They had

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Speaker 1: lost the division. Bills are hosting playoff games. Dolphins get

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Speaker 1: didn't even have a snowballs chances in Alaska. I mean,

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Speaker 1: let alone, hell, it was never gonna work. You'd be like,

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Speaker 1: what this snope? I don't even know what I meant

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Speaker 1: by Alaska. But you get my point that they got embarrassed.

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Speaker 1: They got embarrassed, and it's hard for me to take

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Speaker 1: two as seriously once you start getting paid a lot.

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Speaker 1: When I see him in a game against the other

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Speaker 1: top quarterbacks, that's my thing with brock perty Like, I've

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Speaker 1: seen him against other good competition. Obviously he's had bad games,

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Speaker 1: but I've also seen him answer the bell. I have

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Speaker 1: not seen to answer the bell. Hey, John, just listen

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Speaker 1: to your comments on US athletes moving on from American

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Speaker 1: football into other sports like rugby. Fun fact, the USA

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Speaker 1: won the Olympic gold medal in the nineteen twenty and

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Speaker 1: nineteen twenty four. My dad is from New Zealand and

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Speaker 1: I grew up watching and playing rugby. I played in

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Speaker 1: the under nineteen Las Vegas sevens. This guy could play

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Speaker 1: a little. I agree with your take, and we have

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Speaker 1: seen some athletes like carl And Aisles move from springing

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Speaker 1: football to rugby with success. If the US had a

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Speaker 1: more established rugby pipeline and could monetize the sport better,

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Speaker 1: the USA could become a powerhouse in the sport in

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Speaker 1: short order. Here's my question. The Major League Rugby has

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Speaker 1: made some progress, but at times looks like a second

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Speaker 1: rate XFLAFL. How would the Major League Rugby become like

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Speaker 1: the NFL on a social and business level. I think

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Speaker 1: it's very, very difficult for sports to just become popular

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four in America. So rugby is definitely

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Speaker 1: more kind of a niche thing than soccer. But you

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Speaker 1: have seen the way we emphasize soccer. We claim to try,

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Speaker 1: but we don't care nearly enough as these other countries,

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Speaker 1: which it's a way oflife. It's a waylife like if

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Speaker 1: you go to the South and you meet a good athlete.

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Speaker 1: At eight, nine, ten, twelve years old, they're thinking about

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Speaker 1: probably more likely playing in the SEC football and making

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Speaker 1: it to the NFL, and maybe if they're good, maybe basketball,

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Speaker 1: but it's it's an American sport. Or if you went

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Speaker 1: to Brazil or Spain or England, obviously soccer would be

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Speaker 1: a huge thing, and then there'd be a percentage of

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Speaker 1: people that you know, tennis or rugby. It's about priorities

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Speaker 1: and our priorities. Just as long as football round will

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Speaker 1: never be rugby, it just won't. And I'd say the

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Speaker 1: same thing with soccer. We just will never care enough

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Speaker 1: even remotely, partly because the best league in the world,

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Speaker 1: even though the world when it comes to ability to

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Speaker 1: consume stuff is easier than ever, Like if I want

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Speaker 1: to watch Manchester United, or I want to watch the

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Speaker 1: Japanese Baseball League, like I can get access to anything

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Speaker 1: when it's not in your homeland, and you see people

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Speaker 1: that like, hey, like I'm from Davis, California, where when

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Speaker 1: I was a kid, it was a big deal for

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Speaker 1: my dad, who went to UC Davis, that Ken O'Brien

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Speaker 1: was drafted in the first round of the Jets, or

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Speaker 1: when I was coming up in high school that Dustin

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Speaker 1: Pedroia was going to the big leagues or Nick Watney

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Speaker 1: was going to be a PGA Tour golfer. So the relatability,

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Speaker 1: like if you grow up in a certain area, it's

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Speaker 1: like Wayne Rooney is from twenty minutes away where I

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Speaker 1: grew up. I think that's an underrated element of sports

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Speaker 1: with the youth, right were you, like, Hey, DJ Williams

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Speaker 1: went to Miami from DALYs Al. I remember that being

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Speaker 1: a big, big deal when I was like a freshman

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Speaker 1: or sophomore in high school, played high school football. And

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Speaker 1: when you can relate to people around you, it helps you.

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Speaker 1: I mean, and I think part of you know, dreaming

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Speaker 1: about this. I was watching the Roger Federer documentary and

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Speaker 1: he was like a ball boy in tennis and just

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Speaker 1: loved tennis and he could kind of see these guys

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Speaker 1: and it probably it definitely did. He talk about it

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Speaker 1: helped inspire him to want to be there one day.

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Speaker 1: And it's hard for rugby, even if you watch the championships,

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Speaker 1: like it's we don't have anything to relate if you're

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Speaker 1: a fifteen year old kid, so it's easier to go.

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Speaker 1: I want to be Patrick Mahomes or Nick Bosa or

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Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson or Steph Curry or hell, you know, even

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Speaker 1: Scotty Scheffler. Like if you're from Texas, right, you're more

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Speaker 1: likely to be like, yeah, you know, Rice and d

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Speaker 1: Schambeau lives here, Scotti Scheffler lives here. If you love football,

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Speaker 1: this is where Kyler Murray's from. Baker Mayfield, Drew Brees.

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Speaker 1: I think that's an underrated element that impacts people because

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Speaker 1: it impacted me as a kid. It impacted the way

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Speaker 1: my family and friends talked about sports. Even when I

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Speaker 1: moved to Philly. It was a big sense of pride

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Speaker 1: someone from Philly. What's a big thing with Saquon going

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Speaker 1: to the Eagles, Not that they're stealing from the Giants,

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Speaker 1: but that it's like the hometown kit. It was like

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Speaker 1: that with Shady McCoy, Pennsylvania guy. It resonates with people,

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Speaker 1: and it really impacts younger people. How wild is it?

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Speaker 1: The guys like two and Lawrence are signing four and

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Speaker 1: five year deals. Were two hundred and fifteen two hundred

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Speaker 1: and seventy five million dollars and one combined playoff win.

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Speaker 1: While Roethlisberger played eighteen years when two super Bowls and

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Speaker 1: his career earnings sits around two hundred and seventy million.

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Speaker 5: Did Roethlisberger win two Super Bowls?

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure he won one? My blanket right now,

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Speaker 1: he went to I guess Cower. I guess Cower one

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Speaker 1: one and Tomlin won one. Let me just it's been

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Speaker 1: a while, big Ben Roethlisberger. I guess you're right because

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Speaker 1: Krad definitely has one and Tomlin has the one. I

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Speaker 1: guess they lost one to two against the Packers, so

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Speaker 1: they beat the Cardinals. How many super Bowls this guy have? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're right too, I knew that. Just it's crazy. It's

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Speaker 1: a long time separation since he won the Super Bowls.

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Speaker 1: Good call a little brain feart there Cower and Tomlin

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Speaker 1: and sits around two hundred and seventy million in career earnings.

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Speaker 1: It's just kind of strange to me how these teams

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Speaker 1: don't gamble a bit more on the cycling through these

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Speaker 1: mid tier quarterbacks like Tua to save money via the draft.

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Speaker 1: Will allow these guys to go in the open market

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Speaker 1: to get a real feel on what they're actually worth.

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Speaker 1: Big fan Steeler fans gonna be pissed. I know you guys.

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Speaker 1: You guys got six.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 1: I think the problem is, let's use they are two

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Speaker 1: separate examples. One, I think the Jags are betting on

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Speaker 1: the com that he's going to be better than the

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Speaker 1: guy we've seen, and then that deal will feel cheap

641
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Speaker 1: if he's awesome this year, which to me is too

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Speaker 1: big of a risk to do at that amount of money.

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Speaker 1: But they clearly like the guy his work ethic. He's

644
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Speaker 1: not as talented as the hype had made him out

645
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Speaker 1: to be, like we see the elite talents. Doesn't move

646
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Speaker 1: like Lamar, doesn't throw it like Josh or Patrick what

647
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Speaker 1: he's got a solid arm. I wouldn't call him mister

648
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: make plays with his feet. I wouldn't call him mister

649
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Speaker 1: never turns the ball over? Like what are his defining attributes?

650
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Speaker 1: Where Tua is just slow and steady and dominates in

651
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Speaker 1: good weather against average to below competition and play better

652
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Speaker 1: competition late bad weather, got no shot. And again it

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Speaker 1: sounds like I'm being really critical, like I'm I've seen

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Speaker 1: this guy interviewed, like I think he's a really good person,

655
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Speaker 1: Like it's not like he'd be easy to root against

656
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Speaker 1: if he was a bad guy, and I'm not rooting

657
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Speaker 1: against him, but when you put all your ships in

658
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Speaker 1: the middle of the table on that version of a player,

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Speaker 1: I don't see the upside there in the conference. There

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Speaker 1: in I would understand it more if the Dolphins were

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Speaker 1: in the NFC.

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Speaker 6: They're like, we could win a couple playoff games, and

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Speaker 6: maybe they'd be right if we get the Niners or

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Speaker 6: the Rams or the Lions and a Dome, as long

665
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Speaker 6: as we avoid going to Green Bay Dallas, like we're

666
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Speaker 6: not gonna play in crazy weather games.

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Speaker 1: Actually they played the Chiefs. Brett Beach told me it's

668
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Speaker 1: the coldest game he's ever been a part of. The

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Speaker 1: guy's been in the league for twenty years, so it

670
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: was fucking freezing. You couldn't feel any body part the

671
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Speaker 1: moment you walked out the tunnel in pregame warmups, they

672
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Speaker 1: knew that the game won. Oh yeah, I ain't doing

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Speaker 1: this here. He didn't say that. I did question for

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Speaker 1: the mailbag. By the way, I just saw you proposed

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Speaker 1: to your girlfriend. Congrats, Thank you, buddy. My question is

676
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Speaker 1: about bad NFL ownership. We see so many teams switch

677
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Speaker 1: head coaches every two to three years. Allah. My Raiders.

678
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 1: I saw to day that you know, one big thing

679
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: in Raiderland is once a Raider, always a Raider, and

680
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Speaker 1: whether you get cut, whether you get traded, whether you

681
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Speaker 1: get fired. As a coach, John Gruden, who coached the

682
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Speaker 1: Raiders not once but twice, and they're it's hard to

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Speaker 1: call it a rivalry. Definitely with Andy Reid because the

684
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Speaker 1: Chiefs are winning Super Bowls and I think Patrick Mahomes

685
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Speaker 1: like ten and two against them, But historically it is

686
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Speaker 1: a rivalry. John Gruden was at Chiefs practice, decked out

687
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Speaker 1: in chief gear, hanging with the coaches. Obviously him and

688
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 1: Andy go back thirty years, but still that's a tough

689
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Speaker 1: little stretch. The Raiders had to host the Chiefs at

690
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Speaker 1: their building, which my buddy Greg Poppo is a longtime

691
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 1: voice of the Raiders said, Al Davis turned over in

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Speaker 1: his grave five hundred times over that one, and then

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs won it in the building, and now they're

694
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Speaker 1: hosting his coach, Sean Gruden. No, granted, I don't blame John.

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Speaker 1: John was fired by Mark Davis, which was a little

696
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Speaker 1: out of Mark Davis's control, a ton of public pressure,

697
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Speaker 1: but still a little weird. It's a little weird. We

698
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Speaker 1: see so many. I know you have to fire a

699
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Speaker 1: guy if he's not doing well, but it seems like

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Speaker 1: every team who's successful has a coach they stuck out

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Speaker 1: with even through tough times, like Dan Campbell. How many

702
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Speaker 1: coaches do you think actually deserve to get fired. I

703
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: think here's the hard problem. Dan Campbell didn't really have

704
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: tough times. I mean, he inherited an awful team and

705
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Speaker 1: they were terrible his first year. In the second year,

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Speaker 1: they won nine to eight and ended Roger's career in

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Speaker 1: Green Bay. So by the end of year two, what

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Speaker 1: the Lions finished that second half of the season, like

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Speaker 1: seven and two or something like that, they were really

710
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Speaker 1: good down the stretch. So I think coaches are a

711
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Speaker 1: little bit like relationships. And as someone who's about to

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Speaker 1: get married later in life, you know, I'll be forty

713
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Speaker 1: in October. Is you date a lot of people and

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Speaker 1: I would say, in my experience, you know relatively quickly,

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Speaker 1: like I'm not getting married to this girl, but got

716
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Speaker 1: nothing else going on. I like her, she's fun, but

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Speaker 1: you know right away. It's not usually one of those

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Speaker 1: things where you go, well, let's just see if this

719
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Speaker 1: can work. Now. Sometimes that happens. But for the most part,

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Speaker 1: I think you kind of know early we got something

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Speaker 1: special or we don't, and it's less about you know,

722
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 1: in relationships, it's about a couple of specific things. But

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Speaker 1: with a football coach, I think you can have a

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Speaker 1: rough first year and go, we got something this is

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Speaker 1: this is a dude like, this is someone we want

726
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Speaker 1: to And then then there are guys that make you

727
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Speaker 1: question themselves. And obviously it's to bottom line business. Winning

728
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Speaker 1: and losing is how these guys are judged. But I

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Speaker 1: think early on for some guys, you know, okay, it's

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Speaker 1: hard for me. Use the Raiders as an example, Josh

731
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Speaker 1: McDaniel was fucking terrible. We all knew it. We all

732
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Speaker 1: saw it. You didn't need to be Mark Davis or

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Speaker 1: DeVante Adams to know like, you gotta fire that guy.

734
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Speaker 1: So I can't give Obviously, you don't usually want to

735
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Speaker 1: fire a coach after a year and a half, but

736
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Speaker 1: it was clear this ain't gonna work. And these are

737
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Speaker 1: extreme cases. But you know, the Giants have fired some guys. Now,

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Speaker 1: if you want to be critical of it, it's hard

739
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Speaker 1: for me to be critical of Mark Davis for hiring

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Speaker 1: Josh Usually guys get second chances. There was a long gap.

741
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Speaker 1: I would have hired him too if I was Mark,

742
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Speaker 1: So I think that was the right move, And I

743
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Speaker 1: also think the right move was firing him.

744
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Speaker 4: Now.

745
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Speaker 1: If you want to be critical, let's use the Giants

746
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Speaker 1: for an example, like, what in what world did you

747
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 1: think Pat Schumer was going to be good? Joe Judge

748
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: is one of the craziest hires in the history of

749
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Speaker 1: the league. The forty nine ers, Jim tom Sula, Chip Kelly,

750
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: who mailed it in three years previously, what did you

751
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: think the outcomes were going to be? But you know

752
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: you gotta fire him, You have to fire him. It's

753
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: sometimes that's where the relationship analogy kind of breaks. That

754
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Speaker 1: if no one's cheating on each other and you're not

755
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:01,919
Speaker 1: screaming at each other, it's easy to kind of ride

756
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 1: it out for a while, where in football it's you

757
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: gotta draw a line in the sand. And usually sooner

758
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Speaker 1: than later, I hear what you're saying, and logically it

759
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. But I think most of

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Speaker 1: these teams that fire coaches quickly, how often are they wrong?

761
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Speaker 1: Like how often you're like, ah, he didn't deserve that,

762
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Speaker 1: Like Arthur Smith last year with the with the Atlanta Falcons.

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Speaker 1: I think he's a good coordinator. We had three straight

764
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Speaker 1: years win seven games, and last year was tough to watch.

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Speaker 1: So even if you liked the guy, which I think

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Speaker 1: clearly they did, and he's gonna be very successful coordinator,

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Speaker 1: I think in Pittsburgh or wherever he ends up moving

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Speaker 1: forward just the rest of his career. But you're just

769
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Speaker 1: like you're supposed to ride it out. That's where I

770
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: think it's hard. It's easy when you get Urban Meyer,

771
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Speaker 1: like what is this clown show? Or Jim tom Sula.

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00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: Those ones are no brainers. I think it gets more

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Speaker 1: difficult when you kind of like the guy, like let's

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Speaker 1: assume the Giants, like I like Joe Judge, but I

775
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: can't be running quarterback sneaks on third and nine pinned

776
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,720
Speaker 1: into my own goal line like that. Can't have That's

777
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 1: that's that's embarrassing the brand. And you can embarrass the

778
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: brand in the NFL or any company several different ways,

779
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,919
Speaker 1: right by doing a bad job and then by doing

780
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: things like that where it's like, this is an embarrassment

781
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Speaker 1: to my consumer. And I think I think it's a

782
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Speaker 1: good thing because this happens more and more now now

783
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 1: Davis that lasts like ten years was kind of rare

784
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Speaker 1: firing dudes left and right in this modern day. A

785
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: lot of teams wouldn't do it forever in pro sports

786
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: because it was very expensive to do in these teams

787
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 1: in like eighties and nineties. Way more people would have

788
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Speaker 1: been fired in pro sports over the last fifty years

789
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Speaker 1: if the money was all like the last ten but

790
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Speaker 1: a lot of it was like, yeah, I'm not paying

791
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Speaker 1: this guy at the time a couple of million dollars

792
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: for two years to go away. I don't want to

793
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: just waste my money. Now it's a line item, trust me.

794
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: I'm looking at getting someone to come play for my wedding.

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Speaker 5: I was thinking, Yah, maybe maybe I don't think of

796
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Speaker 5: you know, dabble into somewhat of a big name wedding

797
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Speaker 5: is going to be in Nashville. How much would it

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Speaker 5: cost to get you know, I'm not looking for Garth

799
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Speaker 5: Brooks or Morgan Walling there, but you know, someone with

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Speaker 5: some albums, someone that everyone would know. And I started

801
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Speaker 5: making some calls, you get some numbers back, You're like,

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Speaker 5: holy shit, I'd play more of.

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Speaker 1: These if I was these guys. But it's like anything.

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00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: As money changes, so does everything. So I think that

805
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: has led to the world we live in where guys

806
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: get canned fast. But I don't remember many guys getting

807
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: canned in football that didn't deserve it. I really can't.

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00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,879
Speaker 1: Let's just think the last couple of years, right, who

809
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 1: got fired Washington, Ron Rivera, I mean, no brainer, Atlanta,

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00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 1: no brainer, the Tennessee thing. I would not be in

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Speaker 1: the business of firing Mike Vrabel, but clearly that thing

812
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: was out of whack. And I think best thing for

813
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: Mike Rabel is to go away. But that's one of

814
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: the rare ones where he's gonna get another head coaching job.

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00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: Something was off that I can't pretend to have all

816
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Speaker 1: the details. And Mike, you've heard him in some interviews,

817
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: he's kind of he's good with his words about it.

818
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 1: But I think maybe one day when he gets another job,

819
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 1: he'll probably talk a little shit, which I'm excited for.

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Speaker 1: You know, the Belichick thing, it was just it was time.

821
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: It was definitely time. So I think you see some

822
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Speaker 1: of these firings, most of the time are are pretty justified.

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Speaker 1: John Ian here, longtime listener, love the pod. I have

824
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Speaker 1: a mailback question regarding the off season Hard Knocks. Do

825
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Speaker 1: you think fewer teams will be willing to participate in

826
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Speaker 1: the future. If they do, do you expect them to

827
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Speaker 1: be less transparent as the Giants showed a lot on

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Speaker 1: the first iteration of the show. Although the Giants didn't

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Speaker 1: reveal their plans, I believe they did show enough that

830
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: made them look bad and potentially put off a lot

831
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Speaker 1: of free agents. Regarding the handling of Saquon, I was

832
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: talking someone in the league the other day and he

833
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:37,280
Speaker 1: brought up the point that said the Giants wouldn't have allowed,

834
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Speaker 1: even for like theatrical buzz, to let the NFL films

835
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 1: create stuff that's out of order, to just create more drama.

836
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Speaker 1: So you have to take it at face value that

837
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Speaker 1: if the Giants are allowing it, it is happening in

838
00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: the sequence that it's happening. There was a scene I

839
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Speaker 1: think on Saturday or Sunday before free agency was starting

840
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: on the Monday, and in that scene, it's just Dayball

841
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: and Joe Shane. Now, if this conversation happened three weeks previously,

842
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: it would not be as weird. But when it was

843
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: happening the day or two before free agency, and Joe

844
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: Shane was like, so, Dave's who you like? What are

845
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 1: you thinking? O? Line over running backs and d Line

846
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: over mckinn's this guy and that guy. You're like, wait,

847
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 1: they're having this conversation the day before free agency starts.

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Speaker 1: I only have experience in one organization. There is no

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Speaker 1: chance did Howie has ever had that conversation the day

850
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 1: before free agency started. That conversation with any well run

851
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: organization would be like, listen, so we've narrowed it down

852
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 1: to these four guys for offensive line. If we resigned Saquon,

853
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 1: then we can't make the burn trade. If we don't

854
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 1: resign Saquon, then hopefully we can execute the Burns trade.

855
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 1: We're trying to get Tyrod. That's your number one guy, right,

856
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: And it was not communicated like that in that room.

857
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: And again I'm allowing the potential chance that it was

858
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: done for cinematic reasons, But why would the giants have

859
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: okayed that they'd be like this, You can't put this

860
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: stuff out of order. It makes us look like idiots.

861
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: So if I have to assume the giants are okaying it,

862
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: because that's the way it happened, that's insane. So what

863
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: are you thinking? Like O line, they're talking like me

864
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: and you would be over a couple beers at the bar. Yeah,

865
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: I think we need like this tight end and let's

866
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: hope to get a running back and see if Morgan will. Yeah,

867
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: we'll see how that goes. It's obviously you don't know,

868
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 1: but the way, just how kind of cavalier and loose

869
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 1: they were about it. Nothing specific, especially because it was

870
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,320
Speaker 1: gonna be aired well after, so it wasn't like gonna

871
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,800
Speaker 1: give their secrets away that they wanted those couple offensive

872
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: linemen and what they were willing to trade for burns.

873
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: But just the way, I'll never forget the way he

874
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 1: looks at day Ball AND's.

875
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:13,800
Speaker 4: Like, ah, what are you thinking?

876
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: I'd be like, tonight, Maria, what do you what do

877
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: you want for dinner? Man? What are you thinking? Do

878
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: you want to get Chinese or maybe Mexican, I don't know, cheeseburger.

879
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: This is this is a pretty big deal. It's a

880
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,720
Speaker 1: pretty how do you not have it? Specifically? And maybe

881
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:33,439
Speaker 1: they just did that for the cameras, but I can't

882
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: even imagine they would. I don't know. Maybe if that

883
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: was fake, then they fooled me. They fooled me. I

884
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: thought that part was crazy. I think it's gonna be very,

885
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 1: very difficult to get anyone to ever agree with that

886
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: that was so good in terms of the entertainment value

887
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: for us, because I kept thinking, I can't believe they're

888
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 1: showing this. I can't believe they're showing this. Everyone shows

889
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: the draft room or calling Malik neighbors like that, that's

890
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: not that weird. But the level of conversations between Shane,

891
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 1: the coaching staff and his scouts with the owner, we've

892
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 1: never seen at the levels in which we saw, and

893
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 1: that conversation with Dave Ball was an eye opener for

894
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,720
Speaker 1: people around the league because it embarrassed them. And listen,

895
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: I think Joe Shane seems like a really good guy

896
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 1: and seems like someone you'd want to be friends with,

897
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: have a beer with, hang out with this family. Like

898
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: seem like really good people. Clearly, he's smart, successful guy,

899
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 1: but it does feel a little bit like he's over

900
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 1: his head at being the lead dog because his skill set,

901
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 1: like there's a hard part about being a scout coming up,

902
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 1: the skill set of doing everything the job. You're managing

903
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 1: a two hundred and fifty million dollars payroll. Think about that.

904
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:00,839
Speaker 1: Your job is a GM, and I know you don't

905
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: write up the specific contracts, but you are choosing how

906
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: to allocate the funds. A lot of people that become

907
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 1: CEOs have some sort of either financial or marketing background

908
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: that specifically impacts the product where you scout, which is

909
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: extremely important. But unless you are taught in depth on

910
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: how to manage the negotiations, who the hell teaches you

911
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: how to negotiate. I never negotiated till I got really

912
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: into radio, and even early on I had an agent,

913
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,800
Speaker 1: which I did not need. It's like a eighty thousand

914
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: dollars contract. Given it someone ten percent was one of

915
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 1: the worst business decisions I've ever made. But like when

916
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: I deal with Colin even before the volume started, like

917
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: it's good to work on those skills and you have

918
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 1: to work on them and you feel more confident. You

919
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: got to just be prepared. You never negotiate, and all

920
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 1: of a sudden, now you're negotiating and the information it

921
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 1: could I would completely understand being overwhelmed. And that's why

922
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 1: a lot of gms do get overwhelmed because you're dealing

923
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: with something you're not comfortable dealing with. Now, some teams

924
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 1: allow that guy to do a lot of that stuff, right, Like,

925
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 1: ultimately Casario with Belichick was doing a lot of things

926
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 1: that you needed to do when he was going to

927
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 1: become the GM. Take it off Bill's plate, But that's

928
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 1: because he was a coach, right, let a lot to

929
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 1: else to do if you're the GM, Like that's you're

930
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 1: not outsourcing a lot of stuff in terms of like

931
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 1: you want to do the negotiation. And it just feels

932
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: like him and Brandon Brown, it's felt like they were

933
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 1: just over their head and it was I think the

934
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: way the league views it as pretty embarrassing. Now, if

935
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 1: you win games, none of that matters. None of it matters.

936
00:52:55,680 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: But in recent memory, what would push toward Yeah, they're

937
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 1: gonna start winning games. They've really struggled for a long

938
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: time now. They had the one year where they had

939
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: an incredible season, they won nine games. So I think

940
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: I've said this before. I'm not rooting for anyone to

941
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 1: lose their job, but it's pretty clear if they're not

942
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: good and Saquon is freaking awesome in their division and

943
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 1: the Eagles win eleven games and win the division and

944
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: are in the playoffs. We saw the owner, how's it

945
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 1: gonna be happy? I don't blame them. Put yourself in

946
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 1: his shoes, like, okay, listen, I understand running backs. This

947
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 1: guy's our best player. If he went to the Bears.

948
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,240
Speaker 1: It's why Joe Shane was hoping to go to the Bears.

949
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 1: Go to the Bears, go to the Vikings, go to

950
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:48,359
Speaker 1: the Texans. He went to the Eagles, the best run

951
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: team in his division. To me, he could not go

952
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 1: to the Eagles or the Cowboys, or you got problems

953
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 1: because if he's successful in one of those two places

954
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: and you're not, you are done. I don't know how

955
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 1: else anyone could see it any other way. When you

956
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 1: watch the owner like this is I'm not making up

957
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 1: this opinion. I'm just watching the owner, and you go,

958
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 1: that's clearly how he's acting. I mean, he's said he

959
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:15,359
Speaker 1: said he wouldn't be able to sleep at night if

960
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 1: he went to Philly. I don't blame him. Is his

961
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: star player who they drafted number two overall. Who's listen,

962
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 1: He's not Walter Payton or Barry Sanders, but clearly, when

963
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 1: he's healthy, he's a high end player. And the Eagles,

964
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:35,840
Speaker 1: who are well Run won him the volume