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Speaker 1: If you want to have fun, go watch his uh

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Speaker 1: nineties six yard walk off pick six and overtime against Tulane.

429
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Speaker 1: I mean, you see how athletic that kid is. But

430
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Speaker 1: Nick Bolton from Missouri, We've talked about Davis from Kentucky. J.

431
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Speaker 1: Bro Cox from l s U, Pete Warner and Baron

432
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Speaker 1: Browning from Ohio State, Chas Surat from from North Carolina.

433
00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,840
Speaker 1: All those guys are modern day linebackers to deal with

434
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Speaker 1: these tight ends and and and athletic backs out of

435
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Speaker 1: the backfield. So that to me is it's a really

436
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Speaker 1: really good group off the ball guys. Banks, TJ. Always

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Speaker 1: appreciate your terrific insight. Thank you. Next question comes from

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Speaker 1: Karen Gurrigan with the Boston Harold in New England. Obviously,

439
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Speaker 1: the big question mark has to do with quarterback. Everything

440
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Speaker 1: starts there. I was just wondering, from your perspective, Um,

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Speaker 1: who do you see as the best quarterback fit for

442
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Speaker 1: the Patriots in this drafts. It's a great question. Um.

443
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Speaker 1: You know, the hard thing about the Patriots is you've

444
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Speaker 1: just gone watching the Patriots team played twenty years with

445
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Speaker 1: one style of quarterback and you watch him in a

446
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Speaker 1: totally different direction with Cam coming in there. So I

447
00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:11,399
Speaker 1: don't know what direction that that coach Belichick wants to go,

448
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Speaker 1: you know, does he does he want to try and

449
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Speaker 1: uh do a little bit more of a new school,

450
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Speaker 1: really mobile athletic quarterback where he can do some some

451
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Speaker 1: quarterback run stuff and then hopefully you get some way

452
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Speaker 1: that's just you know a little bit healthier than where

453
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Speaker 1: Cam was with with his arm and being a little

454
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Speaker 1: bit more consistent as a passer. I could see Bill

455
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Speaker 1: Belichick having an affinity and a lot of fun with

456
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Speaker 1: a guy like Trey Lance. Um, you know, and Trey

457
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Speaker 1: is gonna need some time. The only thing that would be,

458
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Speaker 1: you know, would would hold me back on that is

459
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Speaker 1: I don't know if he's gonna be ready to do

460
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Speaker 1: that right away. You have to be patient with him.

461
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Speaker 1: But when you talk to the folks at North Dakota State,

462
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Speaker 1: this kid is incredibly intelligent, which we know the Patriots

463
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Speaker 1: have always paced placed a premium on um. He can

464
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Speaker 1: he can direct fronts, he can do all the stuff

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Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage you need to do. UM.

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Speaker 1: He's a fantastic athlete and runner. He's got a power

467
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Speaker 1: arm that fits you know, in the weather in that

468
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Speaker 1: division later in the year, he can play through that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, gosh, these guys been up in the Dakotas,

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Speaker 1: so I grew up in Minnesota, so this the weather

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Speaker 1: thing would be, would be very comfortable there. And I

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Speaker 1: just think, you know, all the character stuff I've gotten

473
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,960
Speaker 1: has been off the charts, so all those things line

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Speaker 1: up with what Belichick has traditionally, you know, wanted on

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Speaker 1: the team. It's just um, you know, I think we're

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Speaker 1: all guessing a little bit on what direction he wants

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Speaker 1: to take the offense. How far up a move would

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Speaker 1: they have to make to fifteen or will he be

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Speaker 1: at fifteen in your view. You know what, I think

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Speaker 1: we'll know more as we kind of um see the

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Speaker 1: dust settle on some of these veterans and some of

482
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Speaker 1: the movement that could take place there. Um. But you know,

483
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Speaker 1: to me, I've kind of looked at Trey Lance and

484
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Speaker 1: I've looked at eight to the Carolina Panthers is a

485
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Speaker 1: really good fit for him. But you know, if we

486
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Speaker 1: see you know, we'll see what the Jets do. But

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Speaker 1: if for some reason, you know, the Jets decided to

488
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Speaker 1: stick with Sam Donald, that takes a quarterback out of

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Speaker 1: their spot. You know, I saw, I saw the reports

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Speaker 1: from More the other day about the the Eagles being

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Speaker 1: out of the quarterback business. So um, you know, maybe

492
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Speaker 1: they wouldn't have to go all the way up that high.

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Speaker 1: If some of these quarterbacks start to drop, we'll see

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Speaker 1: what Atlanta does it for if they stick with Matt Ryan, Um,

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Speaker 1: then we could start to see these guys drop. You know,

496
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Speaker 1: I think we're all assuming that all four of these

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks are going to go on the top ten and

498
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Speaker 1: maybe even five, you know, with Mac Jones having some

499
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Speaker 1: love around the league. But it just takes one or

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Speaker 1: two of these teams to find other options and um,

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Speaker 1: and then the Patriots wouldn't have to go up quite

502
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Speaker 1: as far. Next question comes from Mark Wicker. It was

503
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Speaker 1: interesting on Vera Tucker from USC and wanted to know

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Speaker 1: how he has progressed in your mind as as his

505
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Speaker 1: evaluation process is gone, and what's the advisability generally have

506
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Speaker 1: taken the guard in the first round. Well, I don't

507
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Speaker 1: think the Indianapolis has any regrets. Obviously, Quentin Nelson's, you know,

508
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Speaker 1: a special player. But I think there's a lot of value. Um.

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Speaker 1: I think when you look at the way, um the

510
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Speaker 1: ball is coming out, in the way the games played

511
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Speaker 1: right now, being firm up the middle. We've always talked

512
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Speaker 1: about it with the Saints with Drew Brees over all

513
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Speaker 1: those years. You know the value of having a firm

514
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Speaker 1: pocket and and to me that that is a big deal.

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Speaker 1: And Vera Tucker, I think I think he's one of

516
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 1: the cleaner players in the whole draft. You know, he

517
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Speaker 1: played left tackle and played at darn Well this year.

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Speaker 1: I think if you wanted to, he could he could

519
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,880
Speaker 1: hold up fine out there. Um. But I think he's

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Speaker 1: got a chance to be a perennial All Pro as

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Speaker 1: a guard. Um. He plays with you know, instincts and awareness.

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Speaker 1: He's strong to anchor down. Um, he always is under control.

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Speaker 1: He really did a good job working up to the

524
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Speaker 1: second level this year. Um, he can bend everything you

525
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Speaker 1: hear about him as he's highly intelligent, great character. He's

526
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Speaker 1: my fifteenth player in the draft, and when I do

527
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Speaker 1: my update, he might even move up a little bit.

528
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Speaker 1: I just think to me, if you're asking who are

529
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Speaker 1: you know safe picks that are just gonna be day

530
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Speaker 1: one starters and and fill a role for the next decade,

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Speaker 1: I think this kid's got that type of ability and

532
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Speaker 1: and uh and makeup. So I really think he's worth

533
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Speaker 1: a pick in the top fifteen, and I think teams

534
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Speaker 1: around the NFL really value this kid. Next question comes

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Speaker 1: from Jennifer Lee Chan Hey DJ. Last year, there are

536
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Speaker 1: a lot of left tackles that were kind of plug

537
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Speaker 1: and play guys who played at a very high level.

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Speaker 1: Compared to this year's class, where are they and who's

539
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Speaker 1: the top guy? Yeah, that's a great question to me.

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Speaker 1: When I look at last year's group, I think it's

541
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Speaker 1: it's better than this year's group. Um, there might be

542
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Speaker 1: some difference of opinion there, but you know, I had

543
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Speaker 1: McKay becked in last year. I had a huge grade

544
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Speaker 1: on him. You look at Jeddrick Will's um, and then

545
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Speaker 1: you look at worfs Um and then I had Georgia

546
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Speaker 1: kid was my fourth one, but um who went to

547
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Speaker 1: the Giants. So to me, when I stack up this class,

548
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Speaker 1: I actually have Rashawn Slater as the top tackle in

549
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Speaker 1: the draft. And he, now I just mentioned a little

550
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 1: bit earlier, his arms came in at thirty three today,

551
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 1: which is it's not great, but it's to me, it's

552
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 1: good enough that he can hold up a tackle. UM

553
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,919
Speaker 1: and he's just such a clean, clean player on tape.

554
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 1: You know, you go back and watch him at Northwestern

555
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: against Chase Young and twenty nineteen and he more than

556
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,679
Speaker 1: held his own. His ability to recover and rework his

557
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 1: hands in that game was really good. He can bend um.

558
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 1: He's he's one of the better guys. And even comparing

559
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Speaker 1: him to the group last year, if you look at

560
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 1: just the ability to climb up to the second level

561
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 1: in the run game and what he can do with

562
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Speaker 1: his athleticism, I'd say he does that better than even

563
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Speaker 1: the tackles in last year's draft. Um, but he would

564
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Speaker 1: be my top one this year. Uh, Pene Sewel is

565
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: right there behind him. They're very close. You know. Sewel

566
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Speaker 1: is just he's a massive dude who's really it's interesting

567
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 1: because he's very explosive when you watch him in Oregon

568
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 1: in uh in twenty nineteen, he's explosive, but he still

569
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Speaker 1: needs to add some strength. Um. So in other words,

570
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 1: you see him just just drive off the ball, You'll see, man,

571
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 1: he's quick. Um, he's dynamic with with how quick he

572
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Speaker 1: can get out of his stance. He covers up speed

573
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 1: rushers no problem. Um. But in past protection sometimes you'll

574
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Speaker 1: see guys kind of tug and pull him and move

575
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: him around a little bit, which just needs to get

576
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: a little bit stronger. But I mean he was playing

577
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Speaker 1: as you know, he's a young kid um at that

578
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: point in time. So, um, he's got a lot of upside.

579
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 1: But if I was going to look at it from

580
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 1: last year, I would take Beckton, Wills and Worf's um

581
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: over you know, the top two guys in this year's

582
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 1: draft class. But I think all five of those guys

583
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: are are really good players. And uh, last year I

584
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: had worse as the number three guide he ended up

585
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: playing better than everybody else. So, UM, that speaks to

586
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Speaker 1: U just how good that group was last year. Next

587
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:36,479
Speaker 1: question comes from Olivia Atlandis with the Jets. Hi, Daniel,

588
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time. I really appreciate it. Um.

589
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 1: I know you've talked a little bit about the draft already,

590
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 1: but specifically pertaining to the New York Jets. Um, this

591
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: is a kind of a two part question here. What

592
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 1: stands out to you about the auctions that the Jets

593
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Speaker 1: have at the top of the draft and um, more specifically,

594
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Speaker 1: what areas can Joe Douglas attack in this draft with

595
00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: five picks in those first three rounds? Yeah, I mean

596
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Speaker 1: they are, Olivia, It's gonna be fun. I know Joe

597
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: is gonna have a lot of fun with this draft

598
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: because I mean he's got he has got an arsenal

599
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 1: of way of weapons to use here to try and

600
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: get this roster in better shape. And um, you know

601
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: it starts with the number two pick in and starts

602
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: with the evaluation of Sam Donald and what they want

603
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: to do with that at that spot. Um. You know,

604
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 1: I went I went through and just kind of broke

605
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 1: this down the other day because I wanted to see

606
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 1: you know what it looked like. And and so if

607
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Speaker 1: you're the Jets with that pick, which is gonna be

608
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: the biggest decision that that Joe Douglas will make as

609
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 1: a general manager for that team is you've got to

610
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: stay with Sam and you've got the you've got the

611
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: draft a quarterback plan. So the stay with Sam. If

612
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: you want to look at it financially, Sam's I think

613
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: four point eight this year, which let's just round that

614
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: up to five million. You've got twenty million would be

615
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 1: the fifth year option. You've got thirty million would be

616
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: if you franchised him the following year. So the Jets

617
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: have Sam under control there for those three years at

618
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: eighteen point three per year, which is a pretty reasonable number.

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00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: You know, he's taken to context the number we just

620
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: saw yesterday. Um. But if if they decided to trade Sam,

621
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Speaker 1: um you go and draft somebody with which I would

622
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: would say would be Zack Wilson. You're looking at four

623
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: years of control before you get to that fifty fifth

624
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: year option at eight point seven million per year, so

625
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: you're gonna save ten million per year on average. You're

626
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: gonna get an extra year of control. Um. So that's

627
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: the financial difference then with Sam. Obviously you still you

628
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Speaker 1: get the number to pick, which you could pick or

629
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: or trade off and get more picks. Um. But if

630
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: you decide to go with the Wilson route, you're gonna

631
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: get that savings and money and you're gonna get whatever

632
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: you get for Sam Donald um as well, which I

633
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: think could be pretty interesting. When you look at the

634
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: team's picking eight, nine, and twelve, When you look at Carolina,

635
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: you look at Denver, you look at San Francisco, I

636
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: think all three of those teams could make sense as

637
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: as trade partners for Sam Donald if they decided to

638
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: go that route. UM. And I know people say, well,

639
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: there's no way they're trading you know, twelve pick for Sam. No.

640
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: But I think there's a way you could work something

641
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: out there where you attach Sam with another pick. Um.

642
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: You know, to me, I'd be trying to figure out

643
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: a way where you can do Sam and pick thirty

644
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: four and see if that would would do it to

645
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: get all the way back up there in the top eight,

646
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: nine or twelve position and now you're the Jets. You're

647
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: you're dancing up there with with those picks. So those

648
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: are the two options they can make there in terms

649
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: of the other areas of the roster that they can address. Olivia.

650
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: I look at edge Rush, I look at corner Um

651
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: and I think, just you know, haven't been around Joe

652
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: Um and you saw it last year with McKay beck.

653
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: Then he's always going to place a premium on the

654
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: offensive line. So I think you continue to invest along

655
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: that offensive line to help out whoever's quarterback, whether it's

656
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: Sam or whether you draft a guy. Next question comes

657
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: from less bonent. You were talking about the differences in

658
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: this draft. Uh, with all the things that we don't

659
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: know looking at all that stuff, you know, the lack

660
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: of medicals, the lack of measurements that you can trust,

661
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: the some guys didn't play. Uh, you know, you weren't

662
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: were able to two nose around on campuses and find

663
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 1: out stuff about players the way you normally would. What's

664
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: the biggest thing and talking to scouts and personnel people

665
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: this year, what's the biggest obstacle to being able to

666
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: evaluate as well as you would normally? Oh, that's I

667
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: mean to me, Um, I think the missed opportunities at practice. Uh,

668
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: from just a purely scouting standpoint, because there's so many

669
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: things you can pick up at practice. You know, not

670
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: only you know what they're doing and just the practice,

671
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: but I want to see how guys work, how they interact.

672
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: You know. I always go back to Andy Reid and

673
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: his emphasis he always placed on guys with energy. Um.

674
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: And It's one thing to have a coach tell you

675
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: that a guy, you know, guy's passionate, he likes football.

676
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: You write that in your Notebook's another thing to go

677
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: out there at practice and see a guy bouncing around

678
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: and leading every drill and and kind of getting his

679
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: teammates going. Those are the pieces of information that we

680
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: just didn't get a chance to get this year. So that,

681
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: to me is is really a big challenge. And then

682
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: I know, uh, you know, from a general manager level,

683
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: there's you know, they're always gonna have issues when they

684
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: don't have all the medical information that they would like. Um. So,

685
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: you know, the way I understand it, on the medical stuff,

686
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: it sounds like a hundred and fifty players are gonna

687
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: go to Indie for physicals sometime in April. The rest

688
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: of these guys are gonna be doing physicals, you know, locally,

689
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: and then you know kind of like teledoct type stuff.

690
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: So that's different than getting your your own doctors all

691
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: looking at all these guys, and then if you have

692
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: any issues or any questions, or maybe it's a non

693
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: combine guy, you can fly that guy in for one

694
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: of your visits and and get your another look at him.

695
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: So there's always gonna be some gms that are just

696
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: gonna be a little bit restless and a a little uncomfortable

697
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: on the medical front. Next question comes from Andrew Mason. Hey, Daniel,

698
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: thanks for doing is UM. In terms of the cornerbacks

699
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: you talk about how one again in the first couple

700
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: of rounds. Within those guys in the first two rounds,

701
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: is there a kind of a point of separation, say

702
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: between Farley and certain and then that next year starting

703
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: with J. C. Horn. Are they pretty balanced in terms

704
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: of where they stand going through the first two rounds?

705
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: You know, I think as we get closer to the

706
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: draft and based off you know what I heard today

707
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: from Northwestern and what what you saw the time there

708
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: that was posted by um oh gosh, why is his

709
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: name gonna escape me right now? Newsome by Greg Newsom

710
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: from Northwestern, I think we're gonna see four guys kind

711
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: of separate from the pack. So you're gonna have Farley,

712
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: You're gonna have certain those are gonna be the top two.

713
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: I think there's a little bit of a gap between

714
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: those guys, and then you get to J. C. Horne

715
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: and I think Greg Newsome's kind of quickly closing that

716
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: space with jac Horn to the fact where I wouldn't

717
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: be shocked if Newsom ended up, you know, going ahead

718
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: of him. So I think it's those four guys, and

719
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: to me, there's a little bit of a drop off.

720
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: You have some more questions on the guys after that

721
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: big four. Next question comes from Joe Rudder. Yeah, Hi, Daniel.

722
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 1: With the Steelers at twenty four, looking at running back,

723
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: do you think there's any way Harris drops to them there?

724
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,240
Speaker 1: And if not, what offensive lineman are you looking lastibly

725
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: for them? Yeah? I mean I wouldn't just be limited

726
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: to Harris. I I'm getting ready to update my list

727
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,720
Speaker 1: the next time I updated, I'm probably gonna have Javonte

728
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: Williams from North Carolina over Harris, and he is he

729
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 1: is a really good player to me, he'd be a

730
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: great fit with Pittsburgh. I wouldn't have any problems. I

731
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 1: know people kind of look at the running back thing

732
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 1: one way or the other. Um, when you're picking down

733
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: there in the bottom of the first round, you've got

734
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 1: a chance to get impact player like like Javonte Williams

735
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: from North Carolina. UM, to me, I think that'd be

736
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 1: a heck of a pick. He's just like Nick Chubb

737
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: and when you when you watch him, you see it

738
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: when you talk to the coaches at North Carolina that

739
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 1: have been you know, I have some coaches there that

740
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: have come from Georgia and they say that the similarity

741
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: is eerie. Just they're all business physical. Um, great leaders,

742
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: catch the ball out of the backfield, can do a

743
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 1: lot of different things. So yeah, I wouldn't just limit

744
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: it to him. So, uh, there's some good options there

745
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: at the running back position. Then you were talking about

746
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: tackles or what we're looking at for the other position. Yeah, tackle,

747
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: I mean you know center, tackle, Yeah, I mean interior

748
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: offensive line wise, it's not a great it's not a

749
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: great group in terms of the high end guys. If

750
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: you wanted to, UM, take a little bit of a

751
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: risk Landon Dickerson from Alabama, if he didn't tear his

752
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 1: a c L towards the end of the year. UM,

753
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: and didn't have some other injury issues during his time

754
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: at Florida State. I think he'd be I mean he

755
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: almost just perfect stealer. I mean he's he is physical

756
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: and nasty. Um, he's fun to watch just he's quick.

757
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: He's a taller guy six six six pounds. But we've

758
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: seen the Steelers coming off a pretty good run here

759
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: with a tall center, so he'd be he'd be a

760
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,760
Speaker 1: great fit, provided he could be okay with the medical stuff.

761
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: Next question comes from Kelsey Conway with the Falcons. This

762
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: question is about the Falcons if they happen to trade

763
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: back um and give up that number four spot for

764
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: someone who wants a cornerback. Um, who would be some

765
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: of the players given Terry Fonto coming down and saying

766
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: that they're gonna do best player available um in his

767
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: first strapped likely and uh, just one other question. Ken

768
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: Slater or Penney steel side and side and play guard. Um, Yeah, no,

769
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: for sure, for sure Slater from Northwestern can slide and

770
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 1: side and play guard. I think he's got five position flexibility.

771
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,720
Speaker 1: Some teams even like him as a center. Um. Panay Sewell,

772
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: I mean I think you're just gonna you're gonna park

773
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: him at tackle. UM, I think you'd probably probably wasting

774
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 1: him to slide him inside. He's he's better suited to

775
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,760
Speaker 1: slide out there or stay out there at left tackle. UM.

776
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: In terms of trading back, yeah, I mean I would

777
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 1: think they'll have our opportunities to trade back if teams

778
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,280
Speaker 1: want to come up for quarterbacks and then you start

779
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: looking at, you know, best available player. UM. Interesting thing

780
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: is you've got all these wide receivers that are so

781
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 1: highly rated, but that doesn't really make sense right now

782
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: for where for where Atlanta is. You know, I I'd

783
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: probably keep an eye on somebody like mice Micah Parsons

784
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: to just be a impact defensive player. UM. Or you

785
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 1: could get one of those two corners we've we've talked

786
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: about who would be a big time talented guys to

787
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,240
Speaker 1: add uh to a young secondary's got some good pieces.

788
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 1: So uh, those are probably the the areas that I

789
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: would look UM if they were to slide back a

790
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: little bit. But I mean when you look at the

791
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,879
Speaker 1: way the board shakes out, if you want to try

792
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 1: and find an edge rusher, which is a need, you

793
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 1: could make a strong case they could trade back twice. UM,

794
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 1: you know, trade back once for the team's coming up

795
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 1: for the quarterbacks, and you might have somebody coming up

796
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: for an offensive lineman. H you could probably trade back

797
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: and get into the teams and then you could find

798
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: your way to you know, Quitty Pay from Michigan, Jalen

799
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,959
Speaker 1: Phillips from Miami. Uh, you know, one of those types

800
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,879
Speaker 1: of players maybe even stay right there get the edge.

801
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: Rusher Ogilari from Georgia. So to me that there might

802
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: be a double trade down opportunity for them. Next question

803
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: comes from Ryan Dunlevy with the New York Post with

804
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: the guys who set out this season. Uh, he's Greg Risso,

805
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: the biggest guy who hurt himself by doing it, and

806
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,720
Speaker 1: or some other guys who might have either their stock

807
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,280
Speaker 1: went up or down by not playing the here Well,

808
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't I don't know if we can

809
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 1: even say until we, you know, get to the draft

810
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 1: and see what happens. Like Rousseau has some really good tape.

811
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: You know, he only had one year of it. But

812
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: you're talking about somebody who's six seventh, you know, two

813
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: sixty pounds, who's got fifteen and a half sacks in

814
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: the A C C. Like he's got some he's got

815
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: some accomplishments to to work off of here. You know,

816
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,919
Speaker 1: I don't see how he falls out of the top

817
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: fifteen in any In any case, we'll see how we tests.

818
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: If he tests well, he might be right back up there.

819
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: But I thought if he would have played, you had

820
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: a chance to see him, and he was fresh in

821
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: everybody's mind, and he had another double digit sack here

822
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: in that conference, then I think he would say, okay,

823
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: this could be a top five pick um because you

824
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 1: couldn't ignore it so um that maybe you could say

825
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: that drops him down a little bit. But like a

826
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: guy like Caleb Farley opted out, and I still think

827
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: he's he's now say a lock. But if he runs

828
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: like we expect him to run, I believe he'll be

829
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: a top ten pick. I think for the guys that uh,

830
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,240
Speaker 1: you know that opted out or that missed seasons, um,

831
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: you know, with some of the guys at the lower level,

832
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,439
Speaker 1: that they just didn't have a fall season, I think

833
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: it maybe impacted them a little bit more. You know,

834
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 1: there's a corner Paulson Adibo from Stanford who had kind

835
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: of an up and down twenty nineteen inconsistent um and

836
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: then didn't get a chance to play this year, so

837
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 1: that that would have been an opportunity for him. I

838
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: think he's probably a you know, third fourth round pick.

839
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: Maybe he could have vaulted himself up with a big

840
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: gear this year. You know, Spencer Brown from Northern Iowa

841
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: as a big offensive tackle. They didn't have a season,

842
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 1: so he's raw. He needed you know, he needed more reps,

843
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: but really athletic. He what got a chance to go

844
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:02,919
Speaker 1: to the Senior Bowl was a little bit uneven there,

845
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: but man, that would have been nice for him to

846
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: just have thirteen games to go play to get better.

847
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 1: So to me, it almost impacted those guys more than

848
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 1: it did some of these top tier guys. I mean,

849
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:14,359
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase is going to go on the top ten

850
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:18,240
Speaker 1: and he didn't play snap. Next question comes from Jeff Mosher.

851
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 1: I want to ask you about UM process, not prospects.

852
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 1: You work for three NFL teams. You know a lot

853
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: of people in the industry. Obviously UM gms always talked

854
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 1: about taking the best player on the board, having the

855
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,720
Speaker 1: board set uh in advance. Do you find that it's harder,

856
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,240
Speaker 1: whether it's people you work for or or heard stories

857
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: heard for GMS to really truly stick to their board

858
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: all the time in every round. And and also can

859
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 1: you talk about the process that teams used for distinguishing,

860
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: you know, rankings, whether it's numerical letters, and how when

861
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: you get into those later rounds and you have different

862
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: players of different positions that it might all be in

863
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 1: the same kind of talent cluster, how they're separated. Sure, no,

864
00:40:58,600 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: that's a good question. You get to see a j

865
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: um look. To me, the biggest thing is you've got

866
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 1: to have those decisions made beforehand. Like I I never

867
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 1: understood you know, some teams when you're on the clock

868
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: and you're trying to scramble around and you're like, oh,

869
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: you know, what do you think We've got this guy

870
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: and we've got that guy in the first round, what

871
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: do you know what coaches like this guy? Like when

872
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 1: I was in Baltimore with with Ozzy Newsome and and

873
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: Phil Savage and Eric to Costa, they they had the

874
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 1: top one fifty. It was printed out on a piece

875
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: of paper that they had and it was literally paint

876
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 1: by numbers. So the guy gets picked across him off

877
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,240
Speaker 1: the list and you're you're gonna be picking at two

878
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 1: and we're gonna take the highest guy that was on

879
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: that list. The debate was over all that discussion had

880
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: taken place. There's no chaos, there's no drama. All that

881
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: stuff has been hashed out, and you know exactly what

882
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: you're gonna do. And that's why, Um, you know people

883
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: always say, you know, is it best player available or

884
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: do you go by need? It's a little bit of

885
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 1: a mixture. And I'll just say that because, um, you

886
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: have your draft board that was, you know, horizontally where

887
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 1: you have all the positions listed. Well, I might have

888
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 1: you know, like the grading scale we had. So say

889
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: I have a six seventh grade on Battle from Alabama

890
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 1: the receiver, where then I have a six seventh grade

891
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: on Farley from Virginia Tech the corner. So at that

892
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: point in time, you know what, we we need a

893
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 1: corner more than we need a receiver. We've got the

894
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: same gradding guy, so we're gonna slot the corner above

895
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: the receiver. Um. So that's how you kind of break

896
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: some ties. There may be more need based. When you

897
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 1: get yourself in trouble is when you have a linebacker

898
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: that you've got, you know, a high grade on a

899
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 1: six seven and you say but we needed the you know,

900
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 1: we needed a receiver, we needed a you know, a

901
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: tackle who's at a six three level. Like, don't don't

902
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: leap frog guys over their talent level. That's when you

903
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: get in trouble real quick. Though, Why do you think

904
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: some gms, and we hear stories about all the time,

905
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: why do you think they have difficulty doing just what

906
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: you said about sticking to that than taking the best

907
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: player available there. Well, I think sometimes you can get, um,

908
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: you can have some blinders on a little bit and

909
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: get a little bit narrowly focused in short term um

910
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 1: and think, you know, gosh, we've got a game in

911
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 1: a few months, and I don't know who's gonna you know,

912
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: who's gonna be our left guard. And this guy's right here,

913
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: let's this guy feels that immediate problem right now. So

914
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 1: then I don't have to worry about that anymore. Well,

915
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: in fact, you've got other rounds in this draft, You've

916
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 1: got other options, you know, through other avenues to try

917
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 1: and get players, and you're never gonna be able to

918
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: fill every single spot. So the last thing you want

919
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: to do is make concessions and sacrifice great players for

920
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:39,919
Speaker 1: good players. Um, And you end up with the team

921
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,320
Speaker 1: with no difference makers. So um, that that is is

922
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: kind of the challenge. But I give teams, you know,

923
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 1: credit that that don't fall into that trap. I just

924
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: go again. I go back to the Baltimore time when

925
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 1: I was there and Terrell Suggs was the rookie of

926
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: the year, didn't start a game. You know, we had

927
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 1: we had really good edge rushers, and he came in

928
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: on third down. Um, the draft Todd Heap when they

929
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 1: already had sharp Uh didn't you know? It's just you

930
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 1: draft huh jamal Lewis when you when you already had

931
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 1: Priest Homes. I mean, on and on and on. You

932
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: go through a million of those examples to take the

933
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: best player. Eventually at all it all sorts itself out,

934
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, you don't want

935
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: to have, you know, left a bunch of great players

936
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 1: out there for the rest of the league, so you

937
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 1: can get somebody that could start a left guard. Next

938
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: one comes from Eric De'll with the Broncos. Hey, dj U,

939
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: if Denver doesn't go corner at nine, what are some

940
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: other who are some other guys you think they could

941
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 1: select there? Or if they trade down a few spots. Yeah.

942
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 1: I mean, look, they the receiver groups loaded, so you

943
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: know that wouldn't make as much sense, even though there'll

944
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: be some really good options there uh for them at

945
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: that point in time. Um, you know, it would be fun.

946
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: It'd be fun to watch what Vic could do, uh

947
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 1: with Mica Parsons out of Penn State, just because you

948
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: can do so many different things and and Vic could

949
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 1: be creative with him. Um, you know his ability to

950
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: just you know, really week to week you could change

951
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: his role and how you want to use Sam. And

952
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:01,399
Speaker 1: I think he's got a chance to be a really

953
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: good rusher two if you even just wanted to cut

954
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: him loosen, let him do some of that stuff. So, um,

955
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: that would be one that would kind of be interesting there. Um.

956
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 1: You know, I think everybody just kind of looks at

957
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 1: the corner position and just looks like an obvious an

958
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: obvious spot there where they're picking the talent that will

959
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 1: be there. Um, that that makes an awful lot of sense.

960
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I think they need a defensive tackle, but

961
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anybody worth taking up that high

962
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: next to When comes from Dan horde Hey, DJ Dan Horden, Cincinnati,

963
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,280
Speaker 1: you are a bit of an outlier in ranking Slater

964
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 1: over Sewell, But you do say that Sewell has the

965
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 1: most upside of those guys. What is his ceiling and

966
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: what is his floor? And if either of those guys

967
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 1: available at number five, should Cincinnati pounce? Yeah, I think

968
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 1: either one of them would be great. Uh would fit

969
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: really well in there. And look, I I have Slater

970
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 1: over Seul. I think he's more consistent. I think I

971
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: know um exactly where he is. But you mentioned that

972
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: Sewel's got more upside. He's just bigger, UM, He's a

973
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: more powerful guy. UM. And when you look at kind

974
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 1: of the makeup of the offensive line there in Cincinnati,

975
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 1: I think you can make an argument for Seoul ahead

976
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: a Slater just just because of that UM. In terms

977
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: of his upside. No, I think he's got a chance

978
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: to be a really, really good player. I I've been

979
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 1: around you know, I've been spoiled. I've been around Jonathan Ogden,

980
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 1: I've been around Joe Thomas, I've been around Jason Peters.

981
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: I don't I don't put him in that group. I

982
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: don't think he's you know, has a chance to get

983
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: to that level. Even he's a really young kid. Um,

984
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,479
Speaker 1: but I think he's got a chance to to grow

985
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 1: into being a Both these guys I think got a

986
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: chance to be, you know, perennial Pro Bowl players. Um

987
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: and Slater might end up having to kick inside. So

988
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,240
Speaker 1: that's a that's a great debate to have inside the building.

989
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 1: I just know when I put my list together and

990
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: you kind of put the positives and the negatives down.

991
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 1: With Slater, I just don't there's not much negative to

992
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: put down on the paper. I just don't see anything,

993
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: uh that that really concerns me. I think he's just

994
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,879
Speaker 1: gonna be a really really good player. Next one come

995
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: from Jim Wyatt with the Titans. Hey, Daniel, what is

996
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: your appreciate your time, but what is your best case

997
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: scenario first two rounds of the draft for the Titans

998
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: who obviously need help on the edge and potentially a

999
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: receiver in defensive line. And before you'll set me free,

1000
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: you could just kind of give me your quick expect

1001
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 1: taste for Darrenton Evans in year two after not seeing

1002
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: him much. Since you're an app stake guy, yeah, we're

1003
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 1: both celebrating app States going to the basketballttorney uh yesterday.

1004
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: Now Darrnton's explosive man. I'm excited for him just to

1005
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: stay healthy and get an opportunity because I think he

1006
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: really compliments Derek Henry Well. Um, you know, get him

1007
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,879
Speaker 1: to the perimeter, one cut and go you know, big

1008
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: times uice. So I'm hopeful that he gets a chance

1009
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: to stay healthy and have a good year for the Titans.

1010
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: When when you're looking at edge rushers. Um, Again, I

1011
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: talked about it a little bit earlier, you know, Jim,

1012
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: it's just a it's a it's an interesting group because

1013
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: there's some flaws with these guys, um, but uh, you know,

1014
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 1: there's there's also a lot to like. To me, I'm

1015
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: higher on on him than than some others. I really

1016
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: like Ronnie Perkins from Oklahoma, and uh, you know, I

1017
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: have him in kind of the thirties on my list.

1018
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: But um, I would have no problem if he went,

1019
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: you know, late in the first round because he's he

1020
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,919
Speaker 1: just plays his butt off. Man. He's he can play

1021
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: with his hand down or you can stand him up.

1022
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: He's got speed to power. He's got some some ankle

1023
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:27,320
Speaker 1: stiffness there, but real violent hands. He plays with great leverage.

1024
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 1: He can hold the point of attack, which is is

1025
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 1: a big deal there, as you know. So you add

1026
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 1: to that when you talk to the folks at Oklahoma,

1027
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: they talked about he's a leader of the whole football team.

1028
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 1: He was the alpha of the alpha's even as a

1029
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: freshman when he was there at Oklahoma, when they had

1030
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: Kenneth Murray, who was you know, lauded for his leadership.

1031
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 1: They said, this kid took on a leadership role when

1032
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: he was there when he was young. So, um, he'd

1033
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: be one right there. I mentioned Ojilari earlier from Georgia.

1034
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: I think both those guys give you some edge rush

1035
00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 1: and I think that's probably about where they factor in. Um,

1036
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 1: so those would be some interesting guys. And when you

1037
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: look at receivers, if you want to go in the

1038
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: second round and look at some whiteouts, you know, let's

1039
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: assume that they lose Corey Davis. So if you wanted

1040
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: to find another big receiver that could kind of function

1041
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: in that role, I think you've got Terris Marshall from

1042
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: l s U who's around that range. You've got Rashad

1043
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: Bateman from Minnesota. Both those guys give you some of

1044
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,479
Speaker 1: that size, uh, that ability to play above the rim,

1045
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 1: uh down the field and UH and give you some

1046
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 1: run after catch as well. I think both those guys

1047
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: are really good players. Next question comes from Jeff Noap

1048
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: with Nola dot Com. Um, so in your ladies, make

1049
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:38,800
Speaker 1: you change it up a bit, and the state's grabbing

1050
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:42,240
Speaker 1: mac Jones at number Um, I'm scarce if you could elaborate,

1051
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: But on the reasoning there, is it because of Max

1052
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: Jones the player or anything he's provides specifically, or is

1053
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: it more just the current situation and grabbing the best

1054
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 1: quarterback available and beyond that, if they didn't go quarterback

1055
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: in the first round. What's your read on what some

1056
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 1: potential targets might be. Yeah, that's that's a good question

1057
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: you out to me. I think Mac Jones, if you

1058
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: could cherry pick one spot for him for him to

1059
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: be really successful, it would be New Orleans. I just

1060
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 1: think he fits in. We've seen this offense function like

1061
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 1: that with quick decision making um, accuracy um being the

1062
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,320
Speaker 1: hallmarks of of what we've seen with Drew over the

1063
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 1: years and and those successful offenses. So um, that to

1064
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: me would be a great spot for him. Now, we'll

1065
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:24,240
Speaker 1: see what they do in the offseason. They've got to decide,

1066
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: you know, what they want to do with the position,

1067
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:27,800
Speaker 1: with the options they have in the veteran market, including

1068
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 1: Jamis so um, that could determine which way they go.

1069
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 1: But just from a fit for for a player and

1070
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: a team, I thought he'd fit there. So that's why

1071
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: I put him there. And if you look for other

1072
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 1: options maybe outside the first round, you know, I've kind

1073
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 1: of you kind of mentioned to give you some different names, um,

1074
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: you know, kind of in the back. This would be

1075
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,359
Speaker 1: more towards the back of the draft. Um. But to me,

1076
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 1: like I would love to see a little bit of

1077
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: a connection there was somebody like Ian Book from Notre

1078
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: Dame with Sean Payton. Just because he's tough, he's he's

1079
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: able to create, he can play, you know, on schedule,

1080
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 1: a little off schedule. He's not a perfect player. That's

1081
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: why he's not you know, I'm not talking about him

1082
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 1: up in the top rounds, but somebody later on that

1083
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: you've got a chance to develop and do some good

1084
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: things with who's kind of highly intelligent, highly competitive and

1085
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: fits kind of what Sean Payton has always valued. That

1086
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 1: would be somebody be kind of a Day three target

1087
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 1: for me at the position. Next question comes from E. J.

1088
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: Smith with a Philadelphia Enquirer, Hey, Daniel, you mentioned earlier

1089
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: how important GPS tracking is this season just because, um,

1090
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 1: you know, there's there's less testing available. Have you seen

1091
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: teams that were maybe slow to come around to it

1092
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:36,919
Speaker 1: in the past using it more? And um, also, what's

1093
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 1: it been like using that more this year? Yeah? You know,

1094
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: I wish I had access to all of it. I

1095
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 1: can tell you that much. You would make my job

1096
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 1: a heck of a lot easier. Um, teams, you know,

1097
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 1: not every team has all the information. Some teams have

1098
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 1: it for some conferences and not others. Some teams don't

1099
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,320
Speaker 1: have hardly any of it. Some teams have everything. So um,

1100
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 1: it's kind of like shrouded in mystery a little bit

1101
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: in terms of how they're able to access it. But um, yeah,

1102
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: it's incredibly valuable, and to the point where if you're

1103
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:10,439
Speaker 1: talking about players and I will have a conversation and say, well,

1104
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: I'll be you know, I like this guy, but I'll

1105
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,839
Speaker 1: be curious to see what he runs, And you get back, well,

1106
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 1: I don't care what he runs. I know he's in

1107
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: the ninety percentile of all running backs based off of

1108
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,800
Speaker 1: his top five GPS numbers from the fall and it's like, well, geez,

1109
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: that's a nice piece of information that would uh, that

1110
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 1: would really be helpful. Um, And I don't know that

1111
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 1: everybody has all of it, so I think teams are

1112
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: at different levels with it. I know one thing, if

1113
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: if I was running a team, I'd move heaven and

1114
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: earth to try and make sure I had access to

1115
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 1: all of that information, because I don't think there's anything

1116
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 1: more valuable than knowing in game pads on you know,

1117
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: legit numbers that you can quantify. And as we go forward,

1118
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: and I've said this before, once we get to the

1119
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,320
Speaker 1: point we've have five to ten years worth of data

1120
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,320
Speaker 1: that we can use for context, I think it becomes

1121
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 1: even more important. So, um, it's definitely, it's definitely here.

1122
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 1: Now we're behind soccer um, definitely behind European soccer um,

1123
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: but the the NFL IS is trying to catch up

1124
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 1: as fast as possible. Next question comes from John Shipley

1125
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 1: with the Urban Meyer in Jacksonville. He's a symbol of

1126
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 1: the front office and coach and staff that has a

1127
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 1: lot of people who was, you know, recently in the

1128
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 1: college ranks. How much do you think that can help

1129
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 1: with the evaluation process considering how different this year is. Yeah, you,

1130
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: like everybody always goes back to Jimmy Johnson and the

1131
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: success that he had in those drafts with the Dallas

1132
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 1: Cowboys because he knew those kids haven't recruited him and

1133
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: having coached a bunch of them and coached against a

1134
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: bunch of them, Um, it was a big value there.

1135
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,240
Speaker 1: So I think that he's definitely gonna know the kids

1136
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:43,800
Speaker 1: for sure, um, And I think that can be helped

1137
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 1: for for that whole coaching staff. I would say the

1138
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,720
Speaker 1: only thing that can uh, you just got a caution

1139
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 1: against is maybe what you remember, not not allowing what

1140
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: you remember of a seventeen year old junior in high

1141
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 1: school at the cloud what you saw of a twenty

1142
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: two year old junior in college. So, um, that's where

1143
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: you just gotta be careful of it. You don't stay

1144
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: attached to, uh, to what you saw a kid. We

1145
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: we see it all the time with in free agency

1146
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: where teams will stay attached to their draft grades and

1147
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 1: you're like, man, you just paid this guy a lot

1148
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:12,839
Speaker 1: of money, as you know what, and you you had

1149
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:14,360
Speaker 1: big grades on him come out of college. But he

1150
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 1: had been that player in the NFL you overpaid him,

1151
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 1: So that, to me is the only challenge is just

1152
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 1: not to be not to be married to some preconceived

1153
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: thoughts you might have had on these guys as younger kids.

1154
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 1: Next one comes from Adam Kilgore with the Washington Post.

1155
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 1: You've talked a few times about this sort of irregularities

1156
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 1: of the last year and how it's affected, uh, certain

1157
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:38,280
Speaker 1: kids or prospects. Um, what's the kind of the class

1158
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 1: of player, kind of player who's gonna be hurt most

1159
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: by the process, you know, from the fall to now? Um,

1160
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:46,959
Speaker 1: you know just what type of kid you just feel

1161
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 1: kind of bad for? Uh right now? You know I

1162
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 1: touched on it a little bit, but to me, it's

1163
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 1: the kid that was the fringe, late round, priority free

1164
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:02,919
Speaker 1: agent type player that would have gone to the East

1165
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 1: West Shrine game and we would have been down there,

1166
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: the whole NFL would have been there. And every year

1167
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:12,320
Speaker 1: I always pull out, um, you know, probably ten guys

1168
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 1: out of that game that that I'm like, okay, man,

1169
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:15,839
Speaker 1: I need to really go study this kid. I didn't

1170
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 1: know much about him before we got down here, but

1171
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:20,720
Speaker 1: he popped. And we'll see some of those kids. Usually

1172
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 1: we'll see three to five of them get promoted to

1173
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, and then we get see him go

1174
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 1: up against even better players, and you see guys that

1175
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 1: kind of you know, come come through, come through, and

1176
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: and really vault themselves up a couple rounds because you

1177
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 1: just didn't hit a chance to to see them. So that,

1178
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:39,399
Speaker 1: to me is is a great example. Like to me,

1179
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 1: look at a guy like Quinn Miners, that the offensive

1180
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 1: lineman from Wisconsin Whitewater, who doesn't have a season this year.

1181
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 1: His tape is, you know, he's playing lower level of competition,

1182
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: even it's a great Division three program, but his tape

1183
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 1: is is okay, it's good, it's not great. But he

1184
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 1: spends this whole year. He goes in trains with Duke

1185
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 1: manny Weather in Dallas and works like a madman, changes

1186
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 1: his whole body. Um Duke cleans up some stuff he

1187
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 1: was doing technique wise, and they they talked to Jim

1188
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: Naggy and convinced Jim Nagy to invite him to the

1189
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. So he this kid probably was a you know,

1190
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 1: a fringe like fifth sixth round type pick. He he

1191
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 1: gets the invitation to go to the Senior Bowl, completely

1192
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 1: dominates the whole week of practice. He's gonna go on

1193
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 1: Day two. Now, I wouldn't be shocked if he went

1194
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 1: in the second round. Um, because he took advantage of

1195
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 1: that that All Star opportunity after missing the whole season. Well,

1196
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 1: there's other kids we would assume, maybe not to that level,

1197
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 1: but guys who didn't get that invitation, Guys who didn't

1198
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 1: get a chance to play in the other All Star

1199
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:41,359
Speaker 1: Games and uh and didn't get a chance to show

1200
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 1: what they've done for the last year. So those are

1201
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 1: the guys I feel bad for. And some of these

1202
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: NFL teams are gonna are gonna invite guys in after

1203
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:51,479
Speaker 1: after the draft is Ricky free agents, and they're gonna

1204
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: find some hidden gems throughout the league this year. I'd

1205
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 1: really believe that. Well there you go. I still have

1206
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,760
Speaker 1: my voice. Good to know, did not lose my voice.

1207
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 1: A lot of waters were consumed. They're in the they're

1208
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 1: in the conference call. But it was a lot of fun.

1209
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:07,320
Speaker 1: I love talking about these players, love talking about these teams,

1210
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 1: and as free agencies getting ready to crank up, all

1211
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: these needs are gonna change and it's gonna gonna be

1212
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: a blast. So I appreciate you guys hanging with us today,

1213
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 1: We've got all your needs covered here on Move the

1214
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 1: Sticks as we move forward. Remember you can check that

1215
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,720
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1216
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: video content. And uh, we've got the TV show as

1217
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 1: well on Thursday, so be on the lookout for that

1218
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Speaker 1: as well on the network. That's gonna go for us today.

1219
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