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Speaker 1: Like for Nicoleo Topitch, it's a lot of like these

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Speaker 1: Both of them just clean in off the back rim.

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Speaker 1: Like that's gonna be the big thing for him. If

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Speaker 1: Nicole topic can hit those wide open catch and shoot threes,

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Speaker 1: it will allow him to also play off the ball,

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Speaker 1: and then obviously there's defensive question mark with him as well.

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Speaker 1: But I really enjoyed watching him and Ryan Nemhard today.

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Speaker 1: One thing before we get out of here, Bronnie James.

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Speaker 1: I have talked a lot about Bronnie over the course

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Speaker 1: he just has this obvious NBA role, which is he's

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Speaker 1: a very good athlete at the guard position with good size,

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Speaker 1: strength and athleticism. You saw him Stonewall Cooper flag on

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Speaker 1: a post up a couple times today, right, like just

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Speaker 1: defending with that size and strength, he plays bigger than

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Speaker 1: he actually is. And then to play as a off

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Speaker 1: ball guard, meaning yeah, if the ball gets swung to

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Speaker 1: you in second side action, sure whatever, you can run

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Speaker 1: a ball screen, but he's primarily going to be catching,

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Speaker 1: like with an advantage taking catch and shoot threes, driving

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Speaker 1: clothes out. That was always what I saw Bronnie's career as.

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Speaker 1: And then there was a quote and it was I

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Speaker 1: want to say it was after last season. I think

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Speaker 1: it was after last season. It was several months ago,

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Speaker 1: but someone asked Bronnie, like, what do you view as

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Speaker 1: your role as an NBA player, And he straight up

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Speaker 1: came out and said, like, I want to be an

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Speaker 1: on ball guard. And I was immediately concerned because I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I just don't see him as even close to ready

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Speaker 1: for that yet. And it was abundantly clear last year.

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Speaker 1: It's still clear today. You saw him today, like throwing

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Speaker 1: pocket pass as a touch early where the big man

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Speaker 1: just hasn't really gotten into a position where he can

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Speaker 1: or fourth pocket pass where he didn't see the low

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Speaker 1: man and so he threw the pocket pass like kind

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Speaker 1: of as an over the top pass, and it just

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Speaker 1: got picked off. And like he missed a skip to

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Speaker 1: the right side, he took a floater and a ball

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Speaker 1: screen where the defender was draped on his backside, and

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Speaker 1: it's like he just didn't even see that the defender

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Speaker 1: was behind him. And again this does not mean I

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Speaker 1: don't think Bronnie can be an NBA player. I like,

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Speaker 1: I truly believe, with his work ethic, with the resources

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Speaker 1: that he has, with the natural athleticism that he has,

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Speaker 1: that he can, by the end of his rookie contract,

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Speaker 1: become a guy who can play bench guard minutes in

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Speaker 1: the NBA, defending and playing up with an advantage. I

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Speaker 1: do believe, I truly believe he has that role available

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Speaker 1: to him as an NBA player. I think he is

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Speaker 1: miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles,

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Speaker 1: miles and years and years and years and years and

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Speaker 1: years away from being a guy who can like be

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Speaker 1: the offensive initiator for an NBA offense. And I do

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Speaker 1: think it'll be a crossroads for him in his careers

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Speaker 1: whether or not he's willing to accept that reality and

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Speaker 1: make that adjustment. We talked about Ryan Demhart earlier, and like,

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Speaker 1: Ryan's not going to be some like he doesn't have

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Speaker 1: the unbelievable traits to be like a high volume guy

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Speaker 1: for like a starting unit for a serious NBA team,

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Speaker 1: But I'm talking about him as a potential backup guard

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Speaker 1: in the NBA for a team like the Dallas Mavericks.

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Speaker 1: The gap between how competent Ryan Nemhard looked initiating offense

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Speaker 1: in Bronnie James was a chasm. The gap between Cooper

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Speaker 1: flag initiating offense, handling ball pressure, spraying the ball out

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Speaker 1: in Bronnie James was a chasm. And Cooper's barely starting

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Speaker 1: to begin that part of his of his repetition as

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Speaker 1: a on ball guy, like he was starting to do

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Speaker 1: towards the end of the year at Duke Right, Like

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Speaker 1: he's just a natural ad it. Ryan DeMar has been

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Speaker 1: doing it his entire life. Bronnie is not close to

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Speaker 1: that type of player as a natural player. His natural

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Speaker 1: gifts lie in what he can do defensively, what he

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Speaker 1: can do as an athlete, and what he can do

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Speaker 1: off ball as a guard. And for the record, like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know why people are under the impression that

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Speaker 1: you can't get buckets or score the basketball playing as

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Speaker 1: an off ball player. There are entire archetypes of players

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Speaker 1: that do this. Cam Johnson, Mike Porter Junior. We've been

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Speaker 1: talking about those guys over the course of the last

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks. You don't think that you can score

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Speaker 1: the Aaron Nee Smith what some of the stuff he

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Speaker 1: did for Indiana this year. You don't think you can

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Speaker 1: score the basketball or like put up shots as an

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Speaker 1: off ball player. If he gets really good at knocking down,

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Speaker 1: catch and shoot threes, he speeds up his release, gets

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Speaker 1: a little bit more lyft on it, and adds like

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Speaker 1: a bunch of on ball skills as like a closeout attacker,

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Speaker 1: Like he had a little step back jump shot over

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Speaker 1: Cooper Flagg. I like that move driving a close out

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Speaker 1: for him. One of the things with playing with an

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Speaker 1: advantage is it simplifies the reads. Right, So like if

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Speaker 1: you're playing against a loaded up defense and the big

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Speaker 1: comes up to the level or is in a higher

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Speaker 1: drop and the strong because you're attacking from the strong side,

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Speaker 1: the defense is loaded up, there's so much more you

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Speaker 1: have to interpret. That's why he didn't see the back

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Speaker 1: pressure on the floater. That's why he didn't see the

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Speaker 1: skip pass on that turnover on the pocket pass, right.

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Speaker 1: It's because there's just so much congestion and there's so

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Speaker 1: many things you have to interpret in those moments. When

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Speaker 1: you're attacking with an advantage, the defense is loosened, you're

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Speaker 1: attacking from the weak side, you're attacking in space, all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, your ability to interpret that becomes a

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Speaker 1: lot easier. And that's where I still think there is

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Speaker 1: scoring potential for him there. I'm not saying that Brownie

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Speaker 1: can't average double figures in the NBA one day. I'm

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Speaker 1: just saying I don't see him as a primary on

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Speaker 1: ball shot creator, and I do think part of his

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Speaker 1: development is going to be accepting that reality and building

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Speaker 1: out quick decision making a lot of like like like

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Speaker 1: a lot of just attacking with an advantage, meaning like

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Speaker 1: a lot of like King of the Court stuff where

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Speaker 1: you're playing one on one against the guy sprinting at you.

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Speaker 1: Those are the areas where he can build out potential

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Speaker 1: as a score I just don't see him as being

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Speaker 1: a primary on ball weapon in the NBA. All right, guys,

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Speaker 1: that is all we have for tonight is always We

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Speaker 1: sincerely appreciate you guys for supporting us and supporting the show.

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Speaker 1: We have Yovann coming on tomorrow morning to do a

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Speaker 1: bunch of Lakers stuff, so we'll talk Lakers there. Adam

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Speaker 1: Mars from DMVR, my good friend is coming on the

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Speaker 1: show tomorrow in the evening. For those of you guys

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Speaker 1: the win. That's gonna be fun. And then obviously Saturday night,

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Speaker 1: to Dylan Harper. I'm hoping that he plays at some

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Speaker 1: point this weekend or VJ Edgecomb as well. Hopefully we

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Speaker 1: at that point, but we've got a Jampac weekend. Again,

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