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Speaker 1: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. And I don't understand why everyone's

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Speaker 1: freaking out. This loss didn't help me. I'm not feeling

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Speaker 4: Are you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: And the touchdown of that night, my god, was an

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Speaker 5: incredible catch by Garrett Wilson.

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Speaker 4: Would be nice if you know the Patriots had a

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Speaker 4: player that can make that Garrett Wilson catch.

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Speaker 5: Wow, he spins. It's like in a different place, dark

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Speaker 6: On Tuesdays is it's dark dark.

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Speaker 1: He did do the vanilla nut tap, there's no doubt.

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Speaker 1: But but he did do. But I think he was

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Speaker 3: Him, because he was if you did that in this

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Speaker 5: Problem only if Paul went to that someone did that

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Speaker 4: H we want to start talking about football game?

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Speaker 5: Ready to do that yet? So you just hold on.

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Wednesday here

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Speaker 1: at ji Letts Stadium, getting ready for the Dallas Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: How about them Cowboys?

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Speaker 5: Huh?

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Speaker 6: Not so great last weekend?

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Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, that's so great. But according to Bill, they're

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Speaker 1: pretty great.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he gave ran down the whole roster, he started

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Speaker 6: Max Man losing last week.

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Speaker 8: I think it's all bad for us too.

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Speaker 1: He thinks, Well, we were talking about that.

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Speaker 5: That's that's I don't think a lot of people think

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Speaker 8: A row like that, especially I mean cars.

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Speaker 5: I think they're looking ahead in San Francisco next week. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: it's telling you there's a chance trap game.

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Speaker 6: I'm not saying, but I'm saying, I don't know you.

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Speaker 6: Have you felt any I mean feel like Evan and

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Speaker 6: I actually I don't speak for Evan might speak, but

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Speaker 6: I'm feeling he's still dark.

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Speaker 1: Opposite I feel like we're.

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Speaker 4: Both feeling we've turned the page.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, both of us are feeling a little Patriots positivity

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Speaker 6: about this game. And why is.

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Speaker 4: That I'm taking I'm taking the Patriots. I like the

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Speaker 6: I think I like what they're kind of putting. I

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Speaker 6: I you know, I know people complain sometimes Tuesday show

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Speaker 6: eyed optimist. I'm not sure. I just I was looking

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Speaker 6: I think there's gonna be a tight game. I think

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Speaker 6: we have to make our picks, like, and you haven't

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Speaker 1: Kind of possible. Well, I mean, at least we know

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Speaker 6: That's half the battle, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So the Cowboys offense will be able to.

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Speaker 4: That's true that I don't really know if that's a problem.

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Speaker 5: So he's still in a dark place.

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Speaker 4: I get And sometimes I just said I'm taking the

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Speaker 5: In terms of health, I don't, you know, I don't

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Speaker 3: Wait till the report comes out.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, we'll see who's out there.

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Speaker 5: And I know Bill loves to give us all that information.

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Speaker 6: With Godshaw too, he's.

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Speaker 4: That's the big key to me. If Godshaw is not

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Speaker 4: It's a huge it's a huge fat She's real. This

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Speaker 5: But you didn't even like the way he's been playing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but they got nothing else. They got no other

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Speaker 4: a game like this, like obviously, if you're in a

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Speaker 4: nose position. But the reason why I like the Patriots,

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Speaker 4: Mike was saying that it's because of the I think

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Speaker 4: it's because of the Cowboys. Yeah, they have publicly proclaimed

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Speaker 4: Mike McCarthy said in the offseason that they fired Kellen

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Speaker 4: plays per game. They both run seventy plus plays per game.

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Speaker 4: The Cowboys only had eight possessions last week against the Cardinals,

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Speaker 4: the Patriots get into a game with Dallas that's twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 4: So why can't the Patriots win that game?

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Speaker 1: Why? Why does why does McCarthy want to do that? Like?

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Speaker 1: Why couldn't turn bet?

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Speaker 4: I couldn't tell you. It is so the Patriots need

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Speaker 4: football like that's how the Patriots need to win football games.

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Speaker 4: Dallas has Dak Prescott with the star studded offensive line

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Speaker 5: That's McCarthy is a run first coach. That's what he

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and that to me, if I'm the Patriots, I

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Speaker 4: run the football and let's play seventeen fourteen, and I'll

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Speaker 4: take my chances because if Dallas comes out and spreads

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Speaker 4: the field and lets Dak cook, the Patriots aren't going

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Speaker 4: to score with them. But if they play the type

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Speaker 4: of the season, I don't see why they can't win

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Speaker 4: a game that's low scoring. That's that's how they win.

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Speaker 5: Well, I certainly would agree if it's low scoring, that's

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Speaker 5: the Patriots sweet spot.

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Speaker 4: Like some probably somewhere under that twenty four is really

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Speaker 5: Preferably, if the Patriots score first and have the lead throughout,

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Speaker 4: But if the Patriots can get to twenty to twenty

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Speaker 4: all sincerity, Dallas is not going to purposely throw to

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Speaker 1: Do you think they like?

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Speaker 6: they could they potentially just switch it up and say, look,

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Speaker 6: they've got no cornerback depth, let's just try to spread

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Speaker 4: That would be giving McCarthy a lot of credit that

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Speaker 4: I'm not willing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I think dan Quinn's a great defensive coach.

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Speaker 4: I think they have a really good defense. I think

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Speaker 4: Cardinals did last week. I watching their film with Mike

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Speaker 1: Okay with all of this, I.

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Speaker 4: Mean, they're winning, so you know, I would say yes,

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Speaker 5: Did you do much work on their defense?

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Speaker 4: No, he read it. He read it fourteen times, but

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Speaker 6: They had really big two really yeah, and one of

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Speaker 4: Similar. So there was one zone read where Josh Dobbs

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Speaker 4: like that's not happening. But a lot of what you

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Speaker 5: So they had runs of twenty six, forty four, and

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Speaker 5: They did's some mixing and matching too. They and I

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Speaker 4: They didn't play much last time.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, because he can't play.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so Jordan Lewis was there, nickel and then Bland

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Speaker 5: To me, adds up to the anatomy of an overlooked opponent, right,

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Speaker 5: You know, you know, Micah Posin's trying to get like

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Speaker 5: to a typical Cowboys team that's not paying attention because they,

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Speaker 8: And to that point, though, like I would feel much

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Speaker 3: And I just I'm not convinced yet.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think there's any way they look past

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Speaker 6: It's the Patriots.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's after coming off that loss last year.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's I just think they're looking. They think they're

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Speaker 1: But they don't want to lose two in a row.

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Speaker 5: No, of course they don't want to.

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Speaker 4: I don't think that they're not going to be locked in, Like,

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Speaker 4: That's not why I'm taking the Patriots. I just like

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Speaker 4: But I look at this a lot like the Philly game,

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Speaker 1: And usually when there's one guy that you know, like

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I just wonder front Lawrence and well,

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Speaker 5: I think they're a really good defense. Now, I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I don't have much confidence that the Patriots will be

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Speaker 1: No, but they had to take that baby step. They

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Speaker 5: They scored thirteen points.

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Speaker 5: I don't think Dallas is going to be like in

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Speaker 8: And to that point, like they might have not turned

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Speaker 6: And yeah, that just three penalties on the second possession

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Speaker 4: That was like, I mean that one Yeah, that one

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Speaker 4: positive into Fred's point of these little baby steps. Okay,

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Speaker 4: so now you've checked run blocking off, like, you clean

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Speaker 4: This week you were able to run some more play

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I would agree with all of that. Show absolutely

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they've got to do you know, they've

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Speaker 5: Now you could argue and say, well, it doesn't really

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Speaker 5: I thought the first game, despite the mistakes, that to

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Speaker 6: But that's kind of what I'm holding out hope for still.

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Speaker 6: you beat a playoff time when you boil it down?

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Speaker 5: Though you're right, it's just can you put up I

441
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Speaker 5: do I do share your enthusiasm in your faith in

442
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Speaker 5: that it will get better, whereas I never felt that

443
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Speaker 5: last year. I think that they have a well orchestrated plan,

444
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Speaker 5: let's put it that way. I don't know if the

445
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Speaker 5: players are good enough to execute. I think Evan said

446
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Speaker 5: that yesterday about the chunk plays. Everybody's saying, wow, you know,

447
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Speaker 5: they got to try to get it downfield. I don't

448
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Speaker 5: know if they have the pieces to do that. But

449
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Speaker 5: I do know that Philip Bryant will have more Pharaoh

450
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Speaker 5: Brown touchdowns, more examples of plays like that in different

451
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Speaker 5: ways periodically, just like Josh McDaniels did two years ago.

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Speaker 1: What bothers me most about this game coming up is,

453
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Speaker 1: I think you're gonna have to score points. I don't

454
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Speaker 1: think you're gonna win it with less than twenty points.

455
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Speaker 1: And I in week four, I still don't know who

456
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Speaker 1: our reliable receivers are. Who are the guys that you

457
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Speaker 1: can count on. I think you can count on Hunter

458
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Speaker 1: Henry to do what he does.

459
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Speaker 5: And you know that's really kind of it.

460
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Speaker 1: Yeah, in terms of you know, in the passing game,

461
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Speaker 1: who are the guys everybody that Matt can rely on?

462
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Speaker 1: And no one's emerged yet.

463
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Speaker 8: No, you guy's not seen like a little bit from

464
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Speaker 8: Kendrick starting to.

465
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Speaker 4: He's not consistent.

466
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Speaker 1: It's not consistent enough. Yeah.

467
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Speaker 4: Yeah, their receiving corps has played at like one of

468
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Speaker 4: the worst in the league two or three weeks. I

469
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Speaker 4: mean they they make no plays on the ball, like

470
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Speaker 4: no plays I can and I understand that sometimes you know,

471
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Speaker 4: the throw could be a little bit better here or there.

472
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Speaker 4: But every week you go and you watch these other teams,

473
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Speaker 4: and these receivers are are making catches outside their frame

474
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Speaker 4: for the quarterback, right, They're making these contested catches, catching

475
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Speaker 4: back shoulders, catching balls over their heads. They don't make

476
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Speaker 4: those types of plays down the field for the quarterback here,

477
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Speaker 4: let alone get open against man coverage like that would

478
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Speaker 4: obviously be the most important thing, the most stable thing

479
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Speaker 4: that you can do week in and week out. But

480
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Speaker 4: they're not even making plays on the ball. Yeah.

481
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Speaker 6: I would have liked to see Parker week one though,

482
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Speaker 6: because I think he might have had some opportunities. I mean,

483
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Speaker 6: that's his thing, like he can do that. You know,

484
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Speaker 6: he hasn't done it. No, I know, it's been two games.

485
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Speaker 6: You know it's and everything guys are saying is right,

486
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Speaker 6: But you know, again, sample size three games in. You know,

487
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Speaker 6: you've had some bodies moving around too, So I mean,

488
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Speaker 6: I'm I know what it is, but I know that

489
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Speaker 6: that's something that they have in the bag with Parker

490
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Speaker 6: and some of the downfields.

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Speaker 5: I don't know for sure, but I think that they

492
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Speaker 5: feel like Parker is that that number one guy. I

493
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Speaker 5: think that's a.

494
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Speaker 6: Mistake, yeah, because I would, Oh, we've been saying that

495
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Speaker 6: for two years, right.

496
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Speaker 5: I mean I think that there are times where, you know,

497
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Speaker 5: every once in a while, he'll go out and he'll

498
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Speaker 5: catch six or seven and two or three of them

499
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Speaker 5: will be exactly the way you're talking about, and you'd

500
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Speaker 5: be like, wow, there's some plays. Yeah, you know, like

501
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Speaker 5: five for one to twenty five against Baltimore last year

502
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Speaker 5: with like two or three really nice contested catch is

503
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Speaker 5: near the sideline. But then you know, the next three

504
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Speaker 5: games it's nothing. And I think it's kind of similar

505
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Speaker 5: with Kendrick Bourne. Like the first game he catches two

506
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Speaker 5: beautiful touchdowns and you're like, oh, okay, the next game

507
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Speaker 5: he's a bit player, and then the next game, you know,

508
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Speaker 5: they didn't really throw the ball. I'm not blaming Born

509
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Speaker 5: for that. You know, we threw the ball twenty nine times.

510
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Speaker 5: But he's been kind of quiet.

511
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Speaker 1: But I find myself like kind of resting my hope

512
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Speaker 1: on two rookies and a guy who's always hurt and

513
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Speaker 1: tort You.

514
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Speaker 4: Know, Parker is interesting to me. I wonder you know

515
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Speaker 4: now he's this is the story with him, Like he

516
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Speaker 4: had a good training camp. I thought he was great

517
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Speaker 4: in Green Bay. Like he made some really good plays

518
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Speaker 4: in the joint practices. Yeah yeah, and then he gets

519
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Speaker 4: hurt and and it's off the rails, like he d

520
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Speaker 4: throw that Mac threw to him on third down on

521
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Speaker 4: the little corner route, Like that effort's not good enough,

522
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Speaker 4: Like he got the throw could have been a little

523
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Speaker 4: bit better. Sure, But like I just said it, like

524
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Speaker 4: every once in a while, like someone's got to make

525
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Speaker 4: a play on the ball for the quarterback.

526
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Speaker 5: And they'll hit some of these. They'll they'll like that

527
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Speaker 5: was an example, the one to Dug.

528
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Speaker 1: Get a flag.

529
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Speaker 5: Well oh yeah, yeah, well again they should have gotten

530
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Speaker 5: a flag, Douglas one. But I think that they'll they'll

531
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Speaker 5: hit some of these eventually. They're not going to go

532
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Speaker 5: the whole year without being able to get any any

533
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Speaker 5: product production down the.

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Speaker 6: Field, but just some consistency. I think, to Fred's point,

535
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Speaker 6: like can we just get somebody who you know, just

536
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Speaker 6: starts to stack a few games together where good game,

537
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Speaker 6: good game, good game not And sometimes I wonder if

538
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Speaker 6: it's related to the way they approach things with their

539
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Speaker 6: game plan of you know, and which I don't really

540
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Speaker 6: like sometimes, like I feel like guys want to get

541
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Speaker 6: in there and have consistency and know what kind of

542
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Speaker 6: opportunities they're going to get and not be like, oh,

543
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Speaker 6: I'm out of the game plan this week. I'm not

544
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Speaker 6: as invested if I get, you know, my seven snaps

545
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Speaker 6: and I want to play a lot.

546
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Speaker 5: I think that bothers born a little bit. Yeah, how

547
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Speaker 5: how he's sort of yo yo is back and forth

548
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Speaker 5: with usage.

549
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Speaker 4: I agree, yeah, yeah, all right.

550
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Speaker 1: A five to five PATS five hundred is the A

551
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Speaker 1: Sticket hotline web radio at patriot dot com is the

552
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Speaker 1: excuse me wow email address. Let's go to the fort

553
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Speaker 1: over there. H Tyler's don't know, he's just listening what

554
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Speaker 1: I like to listen.

555
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Speaker 7: He said he has bad service that can't listen to show.

556
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Speaker 1: So you just wanted to call one of our lives.

557
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Speaker 1: We're here to serve. Todd's in North Carolina.

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Speaker 9: What's up time, I guess since Tyler's doing that, I'll

559
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Speaker 9: make this really quick. I saw some stuff on the

560
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Speaker 9: sideline where Bill Coach Bill was talking. Head Coach Bill

561
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Speaker 9: was talking to Mac the fair time, and then a

562
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Speaker 9: couple of times I saw Brian talking to him, and

563
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Speaker 9: then all of a sudden, head coach Bill comes up

564
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Speaker 9: and talks to him again. It almost seems like to

565
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Speaker 9: me that our head coach, you know, mister Belichick, wants

566
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Speaker 9: the ophense to play not to lose instead of playing

567
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Speaker 9: to win. And I'm worried about that because if you

568
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Speaker 9: that approach, I don't think is feasible. And you guys

569
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Speaker 9: want people to step up and you know, take the

570
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Speaker 9: roles and you know, get to build the confidence. I

571
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Speaker 9: don't think it'll.

572
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Speaker 10: Work if they have that approach.

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Speaker 9: So did I see things wrong or you know, what

574
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Speaker 9: do you guys?

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Speaker 1: I think in the last game they were definitely playing

576
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Speaker 1: not to lose. They were playing very conservative.

577
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Speaker 5: But I'm also going off of history, and I don't

578
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Speaker 5: know about Laska. I don't know that whole. The only

579
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Speaker 5: thing I saw was he told Mac good job. I

580
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Speaker 5: know on one of the players. I think he ran

581
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Speaker 5: and then there was a time out and he went

582
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Speaker 5: over and I think he lifted up his headset and

583
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Speaker 5: said good job, and then they moved somewhere else. So

584
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Speaker 5: I don't know, I'm not reading into that, but I

585
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Speaker 5: think this happened last year. You know, when Mac was

586
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Speaker 5: turning the ball over a lot early in the year.

587
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Speaker 5: Then he got hurt, and the hatchetman, Mike Lombardi came

588
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Speaker 5: out and told you how it's going to be out

589
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Speaker 5: of the league and lose his job if he continues

590
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Speaker 5: to turn the ball over. And when he came back,

591
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Speaker 5: he no longer was throwing the ball all over the

592
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Speaker 5: yard the way he was the first three weeks, which

593
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Speaker 5: was great statistically because he was no longer turning the

594
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Speaker 5: ball over. But I don't think the offense ever looked

595
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Speaker 5: as really aside from maybe one night in Minnesota, I

596
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Speaker 5: don't think the offense ever looked as dangerous as it

597
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Speaker 5: did against Baltimore.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, he does lead the league in deep

599
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Speaker 4: pass attempts, so you can cry, so you can say

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Speaker 4: that they're conservative and get I get the general the

601
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Speaker 4: general take, but when you throw the ball in three weeks,

602
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Speaker 4: you throw the ball twenty plus yards sixteen times and

603
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Speaker 4: lead the league in deep passes.

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Speaker 5: That's a fair thing.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know if that's like really necessarily conservative.

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Speaker 5: I don't think that's necessarily I think that they're more

607
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Speaker 5: concerned with not turning the ball over than anything else.

608
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Speaker 5: But that is certainly a counterpoint to that mentality. Yeah,

609
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Speaker 5: you can't lead the league in deep passes and then say, well,

610
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Speaker 5: you know, I mean, I would argue that deep passes

611
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Speaker 5: aren't necessarily dangerous passes, if that makes any sense, but

612
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Speaker 5: they shouldn't be. Yeah. Now, I would also say, to

613
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Speaker 5: combat my own argument that I thought he threw a

614
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Speaker 5: number of passes that were not like wide open the

615
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Speaker 5: other day. Oh yeah, and he completed some of them.

616
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Speaker 5: Some of them got knocked down and some of them

617
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Speaker 5: got completed. So he wasn't necessarily, you know, going out

618
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Speaker 5: of his way to be too safe with the ball.

619
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Speaker 5: So we'll see it. It was, like Fred said, it

620
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Speaker 5: was one game, we'll see if it continues to be

621
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Speaker 5: a trend.

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Speaker 4: I think when you know, we were sitting there in

623
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Speaker 4: the second half in the press box and you just

624
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Speaker 4: you felt like there was that mentality that Zack Wilson's

625
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 4: not scoring two touchdowns against us, right Like, we're just

626
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Speaker 4: keep punting. We're up ten points and there's no way

627
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Speaker 4: in hell the quarterback on the other side is scoring

628
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Speaker 4: fourteen against our defense and in a quarter and a half,

629
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Speaker 4: it's just not happening.

630
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Speaker 5: So they could still be playing and the town in.

631
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Speaker 4: Some ways, like you can't blame them for it now.

632
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Speaker 4: It almost burned them, right like, And that was what

633
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Speaker 4: I was kind of going after yesterday. But at the

634
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Speaker 4: same time, like, I can't really blame them for thinking.

635
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Speaker 6: That it's It's not a strategy that's going to work

636
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Speaker 6: against a lot of teams in the league. I mean

637
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Speaker 6: maybe one that might that might be the only that

638
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Speaker 6: might be.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to Edward in Myrtle Beach. What's up Edward? Hey?

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Speaker 11: It was going on, guys, how were you good?

641
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Speaker 10: Hey?

642
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Speaker 11: I think this this game on Sunday against the Cowboys,

643
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Speaker 11: and I'll be quick and take your answer off the air.

644
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Speaker 11: I think this game against the Cowboys could be really

645
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Speaker 11: a turnaround game. I mean, you get to two and two,

646
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Speaker 11: you find a way to win that game, and then

647
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Speaker 11: you got the Saints at home, who knows what's going

648
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Speaker 11: on with with car And then you got the Raiders

649
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Speaker 11: on the road. Yeah, if they get this game against

650
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Speaker 11: the Cowboys, they're two and two, they might have a

651
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Speaker 11: legitimate chance they get to four and two. I mean,

652
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Speaker 11: not to you know, get aheadad of ourselves, but way good.

653
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Speaker 5: Yeah, those are coin flip games. I totally agree. You

654
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Speaker 5: have an opportunity to go where the other team is

655
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Speaker 5: not discernibly better than you the way you know it

656
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Speaker 5: has been the first four weeks, So I agree. But

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Speaker 5: I would put those games in the coin flippy.

658
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Speaker 4: If we came into this season and with the schedule

659
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Speaker 4: of being what it was, and obviously pre Rogers injury,

660
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Speaker 4: if I had told you in in August that they'd

661
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Speaker 4: be two and two after the first four of the games.

662
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Speaker 5: Sign up, that's what a lot of the locals thought.

663
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Speaker 1: I thought.

664
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Speaker 5: I thought it was kind of wishful thinking. But I

665
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Speaker 5: also didn't know that Rogers.

666
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Speaker 4: Was going to get hurt, right, so that one, obviously,

667
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Speaker 4: you know, is a break. But if they be Dallas

668
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Speaker 4: and now they're two and two coming out of the

669
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Speaker 4: first four, you gave yourself a chance.

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Speaker 5: I would have said one and three, and I would

671
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Speaker 5: have said they'll find a way to win one of

672
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Speaker 5: those games that the other team is going to be

673
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Speaker 5: favored in now two and two is finding a way

674
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Speaker 5: to win one of those games that the other teams playing.

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Speaker 1: But don't you think that Before the Jets game, people

676
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Speaker 1: were like, you have to beat the Jets because you're

677
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Speaker 1: not going to be able to beat Dallas. But that's changed,

678
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Speaker 1: that's changed.

679
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Speaker 5: Yeah, the Jets was a must win. I mean yeah,

680
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Speaker 5: I think I totally do Fred's mentality. I totally everybody

681
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Speaker 5: was saying in that Well, I don't know why it's changed. Yeah,

682
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 5: Fred's right. Everybody has said that, and I.

683
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Speaker 6: Think it's worth just saying like ahead of time that

684
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Speaker 6: you know, I don't think that the Cowboys are, you know,

685
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 6: this great juggernaut or anything like this, but this is

686
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 6: still a game that these Patriots haven't been won.

687
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Speaker 1: And five, the Cowboys don't really have that big home

688
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: advantage home field advantage now. They their record at home

689
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Speaker 1: is not great.

690
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Speaker 6: I just think, like you got it, like you said,

691
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Speaker 6: baby steps, but this is just not a game that

692
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 6: they've won the last couple of years. So to get

693
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 6: this win, it's not going to mean hey we're back, baby,

694
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Speaker 6: but I think it could really go a long way

695
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 6: to say hey we we can start to beat these

696
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Speaker 6: teams that are good.

697
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Speaker 1: You have to see the game, how the.

698
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Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I mean that's fair too. But I also

699
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 6: think just even like last week was you just got

700
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Speaker 6: to beat the Jets, It's like I'll just I'll take

701
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Speaker 6: a win over a good team. However it looks, you know,

702
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Speaker 6: because they just haven't been able to win those games

703
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 6: in any of that fashion. Yeah, other than like the

704
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Speaker 6: Bills win game, you know, like that one, all right,

705
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 6: there you go, that's a you know, asterisk kind of

706
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 6: game of well we have to talk about the weather.

707
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Speaker 6: But I don't think there'll be anything like that in

708
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Speaker 6: this game. I mean it should be pretty straight up.

709
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Speaker 4: I mean, they definitely have a pretty distinct talent disadvantage

710
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 4: in this game. And that's sort of like the one thing,

711
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 4: like there's a chance to get Boat Rays, Like there's

712
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 4: a chance that Dallas is just they have a lot

713
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Speaker 4: more talent than the Patriots, especially on offense, but even defensively,

714
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Speaker 4: Like Michael Parsons is the best player in the game,

715
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Speaker 4: and he's a cowboy, So there's a chance that the

716
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Speaker 4: talent gap is too much. But I just think that

717
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 4: the coaching app in this particular matchup. I actually think

718
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Speaker 4: that they'll allow couch them. I think they have an

719
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Speaker 4: advantage there.

720
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Speaker 3: You know what.

721
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Speaker 6: Actually, one more thing I wanted to just bring up

722
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Speaker 6: that I remember was interesting to me. So Schottenheimer's their

723
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Speaker 6: offensive coordinator. And I remember a clip from Eric Mangini

724
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Speaker 6: when he went to the Jets and he hired Schottenheimer

725
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Speaker 6: as his offensive coordinator, and I remember him talking about

726
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Speaker 6: specifically liking Schottenheimer against the Patriots defense because and this

727
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Speaker 6: is of course going back to two thousand and six,

728
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Speaker 6: so I mean it's a while, but specifically like the

729
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 6: amount of pre snap motion and the amount of communication

730
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Speaker 6: that Schottenheimer's offense forced upon the Patriots defense. And I

731
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Speaker 6: remember maybe you've heard this term. This is something I know.

732
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 6: The Patriots defense is rule based, and he said every

733
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Speaker 6: time they move, every time we shift, there's eleven communications

734
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Speaker 6: that have to happen. So if we move two or

735
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Speaker 6: three times, there's thirty three communications. And that was part

736
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Speaker 6: of it fed into twenty ten two with the Browns

737
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Speaker 6: when he was able to beat the Patriots as well.

738
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Speaker 6: So I just I thought it was kind of interesting

739
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Speaker 6: in terms of Schottenheimer. Can you even to kick around

740
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Speaker 6: if you're an offensive cordinator, you can work forever, I guess.

741
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,719
Speaker 6: But it was something that Mangini, someone from inside the system,

742
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 6: kind of liked against the Patriots defense. For whatever it's worth.

743
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Speaker 4: At this point, I haven't done much of that. Yeah,

744
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 4: through three weeks, because I think this is McCarthy's offense.

745
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 4: I don't think this is Schottenheimer's offense.

746
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 6: That's fair and.

747
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 4: So Shotenheimer is is a West Coast guy. He's a

748
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Speaker 4: Shanahan Tree coach.

749
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Speaker 6: Yeah, the twenty second in motion.

750
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. I mean, maybe, like I agree

751
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Speaker 4: that there are ways that they could change their their

752
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 4: stripes and that would hurt the Patriots maybe, but not

753
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Speaker 4: based off of the things I've seen in the first

754
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Speaker 4: three weeks.

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Speaker 1: Ethan's in Kentucky. What's up? Ethan? Hey?

756
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Speaker 10: Guys, what's going on?

757
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Speaker 6: Ethan?

758
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Speaker 9: Hey?

759
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Speaker 12: I got a couple of skiing questions for of and

760
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Speaker 12: I'll try to make it.

761
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Speaker 13: Shorter than what it sounds like in my head.

762
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Speaker 12: But I was wondering as far as on the zone

763
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Speaker 12: or gamble team. So what does Bill o'bron predominantly?

764
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Speaker 10: What does he ran this year?

765
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Speaker 4: Wait? Sorry?

766
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Speaker 1: What was that? There was Zodor gap scheme.

767
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Speaker 4: So they were pretty balanced the first two weeks, but

768
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Speaker 4: they were predominantly gap last week, which I don't think

769
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Speaker 4: was a mistake or acquainted.

770
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Speaker 12: A second part of this and then I'll take it

771
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Speaker 12: off there as far as like the correlation between when

772
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Speaker 12: the zone or when we're in the gun is the

773
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Speaker 12: zone under center of gas game like I'll say that.

774
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Speaker 12: I say this a coach in Western.

775
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Speaker 13: Stick you and the Tony Franklin system's kind of taken

776
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Speaker 13: over like the spread office, and it seems like predominantly

777
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Speaker 13: which I know as a lot of different levels predominantly

778
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Speaker 13: though in the gun single back stuff, it's always going

779
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Speaker 13: to be zoned, and I was wondering, like if we

780
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Speaker 13: have any tales like that or is it pretty much

781
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Speaker 13: mixed up?

782
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a fair question. Yeah. So they run a

783
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Speaker 4: lot of inside zone from the gun because they run

784
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 4: a lot of RPO with it, so they'll run a

785
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Speaker 4: lot of inside zone, But they also run a lot

786
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 4: of trap right, like influenced trap. So I don't know,

787
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 4: it's a little bit of both, but I would say

788
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 4: last week they definitely got back to let's get downhill,

789
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 4: Let's get man on a man. Uh, double teams in

790
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Speaker 4: the middle of the line. Obviously the full back was

791
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Speaker 4: part of the of the equation. Again, you know, like

792
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Speaker 4: a lot more of that type of stuff against the Jets,

793
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Speaker 4: which I think is not a mistake. I think that

794
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 4: that will probably continue. But you know, in terms of

795
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 4: the gun, they have not been a very good gun

796
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 4: run team. Whether that's because of the backs or because

797
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 4: of the blocking or because of both, they haven't really

798
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Speaker 4: been very productive running the football out of the gun.

799
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Speaker 12: So it scares me about Dallas is you know, if

800
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Speaker 12: we are if we do have that tail sign that

801
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Speaker 12: weren't the gun and ins on of his own, like

802
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 12: a lot of stuff we do to try to stop,

803
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Speaker 12: which again I know it's a lot different like double

804
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 12: on the one technique, a lot of a lot of

805
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 12: stun and I know Dallas gets pretty creative.

806
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 13: Upfront, which would make it harder to get those doubles

807
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 13: to backers.

808
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Speaker 4: Yeah. No, they they they slant their line a ton

809
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,919
Speaker 4: like That's that's what Dallas does. They they slant their line,

810
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 4: so they're they're trying to knife guys into gaps and

811
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 4: get up the field, and so that's what you know,

812
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 4: to combat that. Uh, the Cardinals used a lot of

813
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 4: misdirection or a lot of pin poll really to kind

814
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 4: of like fold the line, so invite them up the

815
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 4: field and then pull them through. And that was really effective.

816
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 4: So I think that this is another week where you

817
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 4: want to try to get some some gap schemes going,

818
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 4: try to get some downhill polars and things like that

819
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 4: and and let them get up the field, you know,

820
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 4: maybe basically invite them. But that guy knows his ball.

821
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Speaker 4: That was good.

822
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Speaker 5: Back to the Cardinals and you said they used a

823
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 5: lot of pin and pull. I did a little did

824
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Speaker 5: a little research on that guy. Their offensive Rember.

825
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Speaker 4: I was like offensive, that makes me.

826
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Speaker 5: Less but yeah, right, I was gonna say dan Zig.

827
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Speaker 6: Like the band.

828
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Speaker 5: Yeah, So I don't know, it was something like that.

829
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Speaker 5: I haven't looked it up.

830
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Speaker 4: Yesterday Dan dan Petsing Petsing Pets, But yeah, there. Their

831
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Speaker 4: run game is Cardinals run game is fun. They do

832
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Speaker 4: a lot of different things.

833
00:35:58,160 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 3: Uh.

834
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Speaker 4: They they gashed them on a on a z Own wineback,

835
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 4: which is like one of my favorite plays, and they

836
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 4: got him on a lot of different things that they

837
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 4: were good.

838
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Speaker 5: So I just looked up to and Fred you mentioned

839
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Speaker 5: the home home field thing for Dallas and You're not

840
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 5: the first person in this building that has said that

841
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 5: to me this week. And I'm just curious, like what

842
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 5: we're basing that on. Like, they've been very good at

843
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 5: home lately. I believe they're on an eight game or

844
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 5: nine I think a nine game winning streak at home,

845
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 5: and they're fourteen and three like in the last seventeen

846
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Speaker 5: home games.

847
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Speaker 1: Like overall, if you look at their record at at

848
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 1: and T's But.

849
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Speaker 5: I'm just talking about the team that's playing right now,

850
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 5: Like overall, the Patriots are like one hundred and twenty

851
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 5: games over five hundred at Jillette Stadium, right, But this

852
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 5: team isn't. This team has had a real hard time

853
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 5: winning at home.

854
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: That's correct.

855
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 5: So you know, like Tom Brady never lost at Jillette Stadium,

856
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 5: but Mac Jones is having a hard time winning yet,

857
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 5: that's true. So the current team for the Cowboys is

858
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 5: like on a nine game winning streak at home.

859
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 4: Okay, don't you think that that stuff is always just

860
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 4: like good luck of the draw who playing like the

861
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 4: divisional game.

862
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 5: It certainly can be. Yeah, I mean.

863
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 4: Obviously if you look at it over like the course

864
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 4: of five ten years, maybe that's different.

865
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 5: But but last year they beat Cincinnati at home. Right now, again,

866
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 5: luck of the draw. They caught him early, Yeah, before

867
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 5: they had gotten their their footing.

868
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Speaker 1: Last time Patriots were there, they beat the Cowboys. Yeah,

869
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 1: Dean Lewis right for Lewis game correcting that.

870
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Speaker 5: But that's my point.

871
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a while ago.

872
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 5: Who played quarterback for Dallas Antonio Romo. It wasn't Dak

873
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 5: Prescott because that would be the starter you see in

874
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:38,919
Speaker 5: the starter generally gets hurt.

875
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 4: Wait eight years isn't that like eight years ago? Now,

876
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:43,439
Speaker 4: like that was a long time ago.

877
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,720
Speaker 5: Now they did not have their starting quarterback in that game.

878
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Speaker 4: Oh, I was like, well, Dak was like in like

879
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 4: middle school or something.

880
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 5: So I was just I mean, I don't know if

881
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 5: it was Romo hurt. Romo must have been hurt because

882
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 5: he didn't.

883
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 1: Play, framing him writes in with all due respect to

884
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: Evan Lazarre, belittling the Cowboy his offense is like thinking

885
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 1: on a kid with zits at his face. The Cowboys

886
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 1: two years ago scored thirty four points and through for

887
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Speaker 1: more than five hundred year.

888
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 4: It's a different offensive coordinator, that's my point.

889
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: And this Patriots offense in twenty twenty three works just

890
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: as well as the train services in Boston. Stay on

891
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: planet Earth, Evan.

892
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 4: It's a different offensive coordinator. I said that at the

893
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 4: beginning of the day. You know what I hate like

894
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 4: people not people don't listen. Yeah, hey, Kellen Moore is

895
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 4: not there anymore. Kellen Moore, as Mike McCarthy told you,

896
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 4: wants to light up the scoreboard. He's a former quarterback.

897
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Speaker 4: He's thirty five years old.

898
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Speaker 5: By the way, the worst out outing that Charters Savann

899
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 5: is twenty eight.

900
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Speaker 4: They are as he's a spread gun. Let's rip it

901
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 4: and grip it and rip it offensive coordinator. Now they

902
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 4: like to run the ball and they're not as good.

903
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 5: That would have been Brandon Whedon for those of you wondering, oh, who.

904
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Speaker 6: Is like twenty seven? When he got drafted in Yes,

905
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Speaker 6: through f one hundred and eighty seven yards and a pick.

906
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 6: Whatever happened like this is like just popped into my head.

907
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 6: What happened in their tight end that they have that

908
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 6: was pretty good?

909
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 5: Houston, where do you go? I didn't even realize signed

910
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 5: they have Jake Ferguson.

911
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 6: Mary Cooper to then yeah he was good, uh in

912
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 6: that game in our game and not in the nineteen

913
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Speaker 6: game or.

914
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 5: Oh in the twenty one game.

915
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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I think that's a big part of it.

916
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 4: They don't have like Michael Gallup is you know, because

917
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,720
Speaker 4: Brandon Cooks has been hurt, like getting out of the lineup.

918
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 4: He's probably gonna play on Sunday. But I don't think

919
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 4: he's really like.

920
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 5: Climent, but he's like a secondary guy.

921
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 4: He's like the favorite, but I don't think he's really

922
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 4: found his footing in Dallas yet either. So Gallip will

923
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 4: once again, I'll have a great like DeVante Parker sideline

924
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 4: contested grab right, but he's not really a consistent guy either.

925
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 4: So outside of Lamb, like they are kind of searching

926
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Speaker 4: for some secondary receiver options.

927
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Speaker 5: This is on deck because if he does that, he

928
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 5: just says, I'm just gonna make sure that I do

929
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 5: CD Lamb. Then that's not gonna work well for them.

930
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 5: That's not a good formula against the Patriots. But you know,

931
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Speaker 5: Gallup had seven for ninety two the other day. I

932
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Speaker 5: think if he does a little of that, yeah, that's

933
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Speaker 5: where you make your hay against the Patriots.

934
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

935
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Speaker 4: Well, so the first the matchup, along with Callen Moore changing,

936
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Speaker 4: they had Cooper and they had Lamb, so that Patriots

937
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 4: doubled Cooper, and I think they put Gilmour on Cooper

938
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Speaker 4: if I remember correctly in that game.

939
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Speaker 5: And I know that Jalen Mills was covering and Jalen

940
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Speaker 5: Mills over.

941
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 4: Right, Jalen Mills like single coverage on Ceede Lamb the

942
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 4: entire game and was beaten like a drum. So that's

943
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Speaker 4: it's a different offense than it was in twenty twenty one,

944
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 4: different coordinator, different personnel. I mean, I know it might set, yeah,

945
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 4: like I know it's still Dak, but it's mindset.

946
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: It's different junior from Canton. Is it just me? Or

947
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: have our tackles this year thoroughly outplayed our interior line.

948
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Speaker 1: If so, that doesn't see my ideal considering the interior

949
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: is the only part of the line Bill seems to

950
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Speaker 1: take seriously. On a positive note, Christian Gonzalez continues to

951
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: impress not sure what the route is called, but when

952
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: Garrett Wilson faked slit near the goal line it broke out.

953
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: Gonzo barely flinched and stuck with him the whole play

954
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: without touching it. I can't remember any corner we've had

955
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,800
Speaker 1: since Reeves, who makes that play without holding a little

956
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,479
Speaker 1: It's hard to believe that this was only his third game.

957
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 5: Cracked that whip Steph Gilmore. The tackles haven't been any better.

958
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 5: I mean, Trent Brown was really good on Sunday, but

959
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 5: the tackles haven't been consistently better. It's like that, what

960
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 5: was your stats for the right tackle last week? Eight

961
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 5: eight hurries to O show.

962
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 4: It's actually six hurries and two quarterback kids. I do

963
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 4: eight pressures.

964
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 6: I do really want to those strange, like, what was

965
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 6: that related to Linger? Is this the kind of thing?

966
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 6: I was kind of pissed too, because I I I was, uh, well,

967
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 6: I wasn't pissed. I was frustrated because they I heard

968
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:52,240
Speaker 6: a teas on Felger Mass yesterday.

969
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: Let me pull back on that a little bit.

970
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 6: I heard a teas on Felberg and Mass like and

971
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 6: the one player that Greg Biard thinks should be benched,

972
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 6: and I was like, oh, I want to hear who

973
00:41:58,600 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 6: this was, and I didn't. I missed it.

974
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 5: So I was like it was it, Okay, that's big

975
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 5: market te right there. Because I normally, as you know,

976
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 5: don't care. But when they said that, I was like

977
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 5: Oh no, I was interested in that too.

978
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 1: Well.

979
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 6: I mean it's you know, I don't I mean, I

980
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 6: don't really need confirmation of of what I see. Like,

981
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 6: you know, I I've done this long enough that I have.

982
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 5: Confidence in it.

983
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 6: But it's always, you know, you see the game I

984
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 6: think certain ways, and that's like, you know, you come

985
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 6: away from watching it again and that's like the one

986
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 6: thing is like, god damn freaking cold, Strange is struggling,

987
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 6: you know, And thought David Andrews on him today was

988
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:34,280
Speaker 6: kind of telling.

989
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:35,760
Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, I worked really hard.

990
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, And yesterday they had and Clem talked a little

991
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 6: bit about him of you know, there's one thing about practicing,

992
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 6: but there's another about like playing and getting into game shape. Yeah,

993
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 6: they're kind of laying that's. Yeah, they're laying that groundwork.

994
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 6: So I just I wonder if he's gonna, you know,

995
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 6: if they're gonna say, hey, let's sit him down and

996
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 6: let him get healthy.

997
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: You know.

998
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 6: I really hope it's not just like you're okay, but

999
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 6: we just can't play you right now. That would be

1000
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 6: really uh.

1001
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 4: I just don't know where he plays on the line,

1002
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:01,320
Speaker 4: Like I think center.

1003
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 5: That's what Greg.

1004
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 6: Greg said that was a possible another place you could go, right,

1005
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 6: I mean, there's nowhere else to go, no one.

1006
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 5: I could just imagine Greg and Evan in a room

1007
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 5: together talking about the base. And he's a little too tall,

1008
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 5: like you know, he's he's got a higher base. His

1009
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 5: strength is like in his mid set guard. He's a

1010
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 5: little bit too so like grip strength.

1011
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 4: His anchors.

1012
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 5: Yes, you guys want to.

1013
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 4: I don't want to. I don't want to get into like.

1014
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 5: Greg say the same You say the same thing, but

1015
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 5: you both exactly lots.

1016
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 4: So I read Greg on his his like you know,

1017
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 4: breakdown of the game or whatever, and I agreed one

1018
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 4: hundred percent with everything he said about cold strange. And

1019
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 4: he said that Mafy at least, you know, is going

1020
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 4: to get pushed back into the pockets like he can't move.

1021
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 4: But at least he's not going to be you know right.

1022
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 6: He might not be athletic enough, I think at least,

1023
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 6: but just blown he walked back into the fire.

1024
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 4: Right, he's going to be sturdy. When somebody tries to

1025
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 4: power he looks like a mailbox.

1026
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1027
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: Well, the thing about Cole is like, if you've got

1028
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 1: a strength disadvantage to begin with, and a bad knee.

1029
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, and you can't anchor again.

1030
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 4: But his problem is pad level, Like he plays too

1031
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 4: high for a guard. Ye, you know guards, they got

1032
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 4: to sit down, Like you got to have really good

1033
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 4: flexibility to be able to bend and sit down in

1034
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 4: your chair and like and absorb contact. And he plays

1035
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 4: too tall in his stance and so he's just on

1036
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 4: skates whenever guys get get into his body and he

1037
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 4: can't drop his anchor and center is probably like the

1038
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 4: best for his body type is probably the best spot.

1039
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 4: Like he has technically the measurables to play tackle, but

1040
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 4: you can't really make that true. That's a huge transition.

1041
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 4: That's like more of an off season.

1042
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 5: Yeah thing he said that yesterday too, Like you wouldn't

1043
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,879
Speaker 5: be able to do it during the season, but down

1044
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 5: the road and maybe next year. You know, that's David

1045
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 5: Andrews defense. I mean, Jake Andrews hasn't been over.

1046
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is a cold Strange's situation is getting dicey,

1047
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 4: like when we're we don't really throw the word bust

1048
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 4: around here too often. We try not to, I feel like,

1049
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 4: but you know that we're trending towards a position where

1050
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 4: It's like for the betterment of the team, like they

1051
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 4: might need to roll over.

1052
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 5: We don't throw when they're still on it, No problem,

1053
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 5: no problem, bust.

1054
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 4: We Mafi might be the better player for this team.

1055
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 4: It's you know, and I'm not saying that Cole Strange

1056
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,800
Speaker 4: cannot have an is not gonna have an NFL future

1057
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 4: or anything like that, but for their issues and like

1058
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 4: what they need to shore up, like he might be

1059
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 4: the better option for this football team.

1060
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,799
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Speaker 3: Yes, I was on the first episode and then boot

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Speaker 15: Tom Brady was the fourth quarterback on the New England

1091
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 15: Patriots depth chart. Can you name the quarterback just ahead

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Speaker 15: of him? At number three?

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Speaker 3: Good question?

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Speaker 15: Were you even alive then?

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00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 3: I was born?

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00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 15: As question two? A linebacker out of Notre Dame who

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00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 15: was part of the Boston Patriots from nineteen sixty two

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00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 15: to nineteen sixty eight until he was traded to Miami

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Speaker 15: for the nineteen sixty nine season. Which player was this

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Speaker 15: that sound better? I worded that a little better?

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Speaker 3: Great?

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Speaker 1: All right?

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Speaker 15: Question three? Who was the Patriots first overall pick of

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00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 15: the nineteen eighty two NFL Draft?

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00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 3: Were you alive then?

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00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 15: Oh?

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Speaker 2: I was not.

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00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 15: I know some people think I might have been, but

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00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 15: I was not. All right, let's get into it. Faith

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00:47:56,080 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 15: is our communications service, our digital services cour coordinator. Yes,

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00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 15: and she also does some part time work for New

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00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 15: England's other football team, the Boston Renegades.

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00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:07,919
Speaker 3: Yes.

1114
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 15: And was your role with them? Exactly?

1115
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 3: I'm their director of content.

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00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,439
Speaker 15: There you go, charge of everything, there you go. And

1117
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 15: in her free time, she got inspired with this role

1118
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 15: to start her own podcast called The Playmaker's Perspective. So

1119
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:24,240
Speaker 15: we're going to talk about a show within a show.

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Speaker 15: In the show within a show, absolutely, so Faith, tell

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00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 15: me about it. What's this about? When you started?

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00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 3: Yes? So honestly, I was inspired by Unfiltered. I used

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00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 3: to help Matt in the booth with the audio and

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00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 3: so just kind of sitting and listening to everybody talk

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Speaker 3: about the NFL, talk about the Patriots was kind of

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00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,760
Speaker 3: inspiring to me. And I just know through the Boston

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00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 3: Renegades and women in my network in general, that a

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00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 3: lot of women would want a seat at a table

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00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 3: like this to talk about the league, to talk about

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00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 3: the NFL, And so yeah, the idea kind of came

1131
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 3: from that, just wanting to kind of make that table

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00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,439
Speaker 3: for women around football to kind of talk talk about

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00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 3: the game. Our mission statement is just to give women

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00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 3: football players and others involved in the game an outlet

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00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 3: to share their thoughts on the NFL through their unique

1136
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 3: perspective as players and women around football. Our little tagline

1137
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 3: is live the game, Talk the game, Elevate the game.

1138
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 3: But yeah, we started right before the season kind of

1139
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 3: got going. We did like a preview episode. I do

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00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,879
Speaker 3: it with a running back on the Boston Renegades, Katie Falkowski.

1141
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 3: She's amazing, She is awesome at what she does on

1142
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 3: the football field and off the field. She's just a

1143
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 3: super amazing personality and she's brought so much energy to

1144
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 3: the podcast. So we did like a little preview of

1145
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 3: like who we are, what our goal was then did

1146
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 3: like a preseason recap and then yeah, we've been rolling

1147
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 3: once a week. We post on Wednesdays and.

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Speaker 15: It's on Spotify and Apple, so this is easily accessible.

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00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 3: Yes, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and we're on Instagram.

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00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 15: There you go, so follow that. You also get a

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00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 15: bunch of Renegade players to join the podcast, right, you

1152
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 15: got the quarterback? I don't remember her name off top

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00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:00,320
Speaker 15: of my hand.

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00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 3: Yes, so we so far we've gotten Erica Adams, she's

1155
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 3: a defensive back on the Renegades, and Ash Beckham, who

1156
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 3: is an offensive lineman on the Boston Renegades. We do

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00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 3: have a lot of other players lined up. We're hoping

1158
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 3: to get women also that aren't just football players, but

1159
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 3: sports reporters, coaches, scouts, like anything anyone that's involved in

1160
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 3: football we want to have on the podcast. But yeah,

1161
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 3: hoping to get lots of Renegades players on there.

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00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 15: And how I don't want to disrespect how many consecutive

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00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 15: championships has it been for them?

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00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 3: So they just won their fifth straight?

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Speaker 15: Okay, guy, it's a fun league. Check it out. Patriots

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00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,720
Speaker 15: have done a lot of collapse with them and as

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Speaker 15: I know, you guys started the podcast mostly doing Renegade

1168
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 15: stuff and now it's going towards more NFL content. It's

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Speaker 15: the off season for the Renegades.

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Speaker 3: Correct, yees, So it's the off season for the Renegade.

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00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 3: So we are one NFL our Segments include things like

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Speaker 3: League round Up, just kind of news that's happening in

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Speaker 3: the league. We do predictions every week. I actually do.

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Speaker 3: Gotta have faith prediction.

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Speaker 15: Right, we have that coming for the end of this

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Speaker 15: little segment.

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Speaker 3: Oh good, good, And so we kind of talk about

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00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 3: how we did the previous week, but also you know

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00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 3: what game made us stop and watch this week? A

1180
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 3: playmaker of the week. And then I do a little

1181
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 3: photographer's perspective on just some content around the league. I

1182
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 3: talked a lot about Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey this past.

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00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 15: Week, all the topic around every outlet, of course.

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00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 3: But yeah, so we we are fully NFL podcast right now.

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00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 3: As the off season comes and the Renegade season actually

1186
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 3: starts up, we probably will transition a little bit, but

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00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:31,839
Speaker 3: we'll cross that bridge when we get there.

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00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 15: I mean, that's always fun. So Faith, Yes, what are

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00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:41,760
Speaker 15: your predictions for the Thursday night game and the Pats game? Okay,

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00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 15: and what's your tag again, what is it?

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00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:44,439
Speaker 3: Gotta have faith?

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Speaker 15: Gotta have faith? The gotta have faith picks for the

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00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 15: Thursday night game and the Pats game.

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00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 3: So for the Pats game, I picked the Patriots twenty

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00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:54,839
Speaker 3: three to Cowboys twenty.

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00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:55,280
Speaker 15: Okay, close.

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Speaker 3: So the whole point of the gotta have faith is

1198
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 3: basically the only thing that's really riding on it is

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00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 3: you gotta have faith. You really got to just believe

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Speaker 3: that something can work out here, even though it probably won't.

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00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 3: I was currently one for two. I did pick the Lions.

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Speaker 15: Being the dead. I was there when you picked that.

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00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:18,240
Speaker 3: Yes, that was the one that I got right, But yeah,

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00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 3: that's that's my prediction. I feel like the Patriots can

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Speaker 3: pull it out, I really do.

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Speaker 15: And who you got for Packers Lions? I think that's

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00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 15: the game. I was literally I'm going, I'm sure Packers

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00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 15: Lions this Thursday.

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Speaker 3: You know what. I'm still high on the Lions. I

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00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 3: feel like they're gonna pull it off.

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Speaker 15: Okay, They've had a couple of close games.

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00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:38,359
Speaker 3: They have and I feel like, you know, they're kind

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00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 3: of hitting their stride. It is Packers Lions to confirm,

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00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:43,959
Speaker 3: but I think they'll pull it off.

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00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 15: Okay, So what else can we talk about? We who are?

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00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 3: Who is?

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Speaker 15: Who's your dream guest for the show?

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00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:58,359
Speaker 3: Dream guest? Oh my gosh, that's a great question. Well,

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00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 3: the quarterback for the Boston Renigades else and k Hill

1220
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 3: definitely excited to have her on. She's she is the

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00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 3: Tom Brady of women's professional football. Tom Brady's actually the

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00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 3: Alison Kate Hill of men's professional football. But very excited

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00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 3: to have her on in the future. She is a

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00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:17,399
Speaker 3: personal trainer. It's a trainer in her day to day job,

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00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 3: and so she's super busy. But we'll definitely have her

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Speaker 3: on if I was shooting for the moon. The president

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00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,839
Speaker 3: of the Las Vegas Raiders, I mean, she's absolute queen.

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00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:29,959
Speaker 3: I've met her when we went out to Vegas last

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00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 3: year and she's just amazing. So having her own be awesome.

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00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 15: We got we got to get some some connections together.

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00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 3: I know, we'll see we're just starting, we're just getting.

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00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 15: Rolling, and we got get Douce on it too.

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00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 3: Obviously, of course we'll have you on there too.

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00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 15: I'm down. I'm down. I don't know if I have

1235
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 15: a fun tagline like keep the Faith though for my prediction.

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00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 15: All right, guys, so faith thank you for joining Playmaker's

1237
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:56,800
Speaker 15: Perspective available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts.

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00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,800
Speaker 3: Yes, and at Playmaker's Perspective on Instagram.

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00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 15: So guys, give that a fall, give it a listen to,

1240
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 15: and send your trivia answers into webra dot Patriots dot

1241
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 15: com for a chance to win the Patriots on filtered

1242
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 15: t shirt. You got to get rid of them so

1243
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:10,399
Speaker 15: we can get some.

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00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 3: New updated on one.

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Speaker 15: All right, let's get back to the show.

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Speaker 16: When someone accidentally threw away the school play costumes, no

1247
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 16: replacements were shipped with FedEx and with picture proof of delivery,

1248
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:28,720
Speaker 16: everyone could focus on the perfect opening night FedEx where

1249
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 16: now it's next for residential delivery only.

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00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 5: And now great moments in.

1251
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 15: History.

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00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,439
Speaker 17: He said that there's an episode of Breaking Bad, which

1253
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 17: I know you were a big fan of, yeah, which

1254
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 17: had a cork sniffing incident in it, and they were

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00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 17: scolding you for not remembering that fact, and you conveniently

1256
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 17: didn't read their email when they wrote into the show

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Speaker 17: about it.

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00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 1: So we're sourcing our source now is a fictional television No,

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Speaker 1: I'm saying that you you do you don't play both side.

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Speaker 6: You don't play it fairly.

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00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 17: Here the guy writes it and offering alternative evidence, and

1262
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 17: you refuse to read it again.

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Speaker 1: Your evidence is a fictional television show.

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00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:06,840
Speaker 4: That's not my evidence.

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00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 5: I'm just saying it is.

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00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 1: I'm sticking up to just use it, mister brown Cave.

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Speaker 5: I'm not using it as evidence.

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Speaker 17: I'm saying I'm sticking up for the guy who wrote

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Speaker 17: in and was saying that you should have remembered that.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I should have. I don't know. There was like

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00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 1: nine seasons, so I don't know. All I know is

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00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 1: that it's settled now. No, it's not. It courts. You know,

1273
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 1: I was thinking that you should change your fundraiser from

1274
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 1: a wine tasted to an ass taste. Wow, that was rude.

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00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 1: That's another great moment from all right back here in

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00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 1: Patriots on filtered eight five five PATS five hundred eight

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Speaker 1: at web radio, at Patriots dot com as the email address.

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00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 1: We gave away some T shirts during the halftime show.

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00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:53,399
Speaker 5: I love the trivia question.

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00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, well we're gonna read them. In two thousand, Tom

1281
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 1: Brady was the fourth quarterback on the New England Patriots

1282
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 1: Depth Show. Can you name the quarterback just ahead of

1283
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 1: him at number three?

1284
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:04,760
Speaker 5: Michael Bishop?

1285
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:09,359
Speaker 1: That's correct, and the winner was Mike in I think

1286
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 1: South Brunswick, New Jersey.

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00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:12,760
Speaker 6: Michael Bishop wrote SBNJ.

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00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 4: Did Michael Bishop answer his own question? Said his name

1289
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:16,399
Speaker 4: is Mike?

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00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, it could be a linebacker out of Notre Dame.

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00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 1: Which player was part of the Boston Patriots nineteen sixty

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00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 1: two to sixty eight until traded to Miami for the

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00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty nine season.

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00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 5: My guess is it's Nick Bonacani.

1295
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 1: And your guess is correct.

1296
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 6: But I would loved him on inside the NFL.

1297
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: When it was Ernest Chavez.

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00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 5: Way before my time, when it was what oh, the

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00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 5: winner was.

1300
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:44,399
Speaker 1: The winner Winter Winner? Chicken? Denn job uh. Finally, who

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Speaker 1: was the Patriots first overall pick of the nineteen eighty

1302
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:49,800
Speaker 1: two NFL draft?

1303
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 5: Paul Afore Kenneth Simms.

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00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 1: Kenneth Simms is correct, SAMs. Ryan Dobson got that one right. Okay,

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00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:01,800
Speaker 1: So Ryan, get rid of some of those T shirts.

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00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 5: They're all excels good stuff.

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Speaker 6: You're getting an excel by the way, speaking of inside

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00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 6: the NFL, have you guys watched that at all?

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Speaker 1: It's on?

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Speaker 6: Is it the upn What do I call that? Thirteen?

1311
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 6: Is it upn C?

1313
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Speaker 5: W C w which one is it?

1314
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Speaker 1: Man?

1315
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 6: Is that show going Downhill? Like that was my favorite

1316
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 6: show growing up? That's all there was, you know, right,

1317
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 6: and but you had like the NFL Films package, you

1318
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 6: have the highlights of every game. And then I'm watching

1319
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 6: it last night and I'm like, it's Chris Long, Channing Crowder,

1320
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 6: they got what the old safety from the Steelers is

1321
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 6: the host, but just no chemistry.

1322
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 5: They've all got no was it?

1323
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 6: He's on ESPN all the time, Ryan Clark, there was

1324
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,439
Speaker 6: one other guy, but they just had no chemistry. They're

1325
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 6: all kind of dressed like in their own separate, specific ways,

1326
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 6: and I was just like, this is not what I

1327
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 6: remember growing up. They should be my favorite show, but

1328
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 6: not anymore.

1329
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was a good show.

1330
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:54,479
Speaker 6: Loved it every week.

1331
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 4: That nothing's as good as he used to be.

1332
00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 1: No, well, back then the word a lot of all

1333
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:03,479
Speaker 1: it is. If you wanted like a highlight package show,

1334
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 1: that was it.

1335
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 6: It was that and Berman on Sunday Night. You know

1336
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 6: you watch Chris Burman original Primetime Prime Time was excellent

1337
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 6: with Berman and Jackson. I still love hearing him on

1338
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 6: the TV, like you know, when you just really get

1339
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 6: I love it. It just brings me back to my youth,

1340
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 6: Like like anytime I can watch him doing his little highlights,

1341
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 6: I think, what Monday night before football he gets a

1342
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 6: little segment. Now, yeah, well he enjoyed it, and you

1343
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 6: could tell, yeah, some personality to That's why, Like.

1344
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: When Romo first started, I thought he was a breath

1345
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 1: of fresh air because like he seemed like he was

1346
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 1: having fun and he was really into it. And now

1347
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem that way.

1348
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 5: I thought it was decent.

1349
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 4: The other day I didn't listen to Obviously we were

1350
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 4: at the game, so I didn't hear the whole thing,

1351
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 4: but some of his like the things that he says,

1352
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 4: I just I don't know. I'm not like he blamed

1353
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 4: like the the Unders throw on Pop Douglas. He was

1354
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:51,919
Speaker 4: like Pop Douglas ran the wrong route.

1355
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 5: Well there was a question on that. That's why I

1356
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 5: asked you that yesterday. How he was He was wondering

1357
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 5: if he was where Max thought he was going to be.

1358
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 4: But like how like if you're Romo and you're watching

1359
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 4: that play live and he has the telestrater thing next

1360
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 4: to him that shows him the all twenty two, like instantly,

1361
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 4: I just don't know how you could watch that play

1362
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 4: and be like he ran like because I had all

1363
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 4: these people in my mentions, like I watched it live,

1364
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 4: we watch it from the press box, and I was like,

1365
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 4: I mean, Bob Douglas is like a couple of yards

1366
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 4: behind the defender. He understood, and he underthrows the ball.

1367
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 4: I don't know what you know, And everybody he ran

1368
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 4: the wrong round because like Romo said that he ran

1369
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:25,439
Speaker 4: the wrong route on TV.

1370
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Speaker 5: I thought some of the things he said more so

1371
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 5: on Zach Wilson though, like a lot of times those

1372
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 5: guys just go out there and they just tell you

1373
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 5: how hard it is, and you know, give him a break,

1374
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 5: and he wasn't. He was like, these are just average

1375
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 5: routine plays that any NFL player should be able to make,

1376
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 5: and he can't make them. He refuses to go to

1377
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 5: the bolt, look at the coverage, and do what he's

1378
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 5: supposed to do, right. He was pretty critical. I almost

1379
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 5: felt bad, Oh, I felt bad.

1380
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 6: It was hard.

1381
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 5: I felt bad for Zach Wilson at points in the

1382
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 5: game because he was so overmatched, you know.

1383
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 6: Like he just doesn't have a chance.

1384
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 5: I mean, it's all his own fault.

1385
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 1: Deep has some gripes with US Deep Deep piece from

1386
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 1: Seattle says he loves the show after moving to the

1387
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 1: US from India twenty five years ago. I've moved around

1388
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 1: a lot, and your show has given me a certain

1389
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 1: sense of centering and belonging during that time. So thank you.

1390
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 1: You're the absolute best. That said, you're insane. Bill bashing

1391
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 1: over the last year has become tedious that in giving

1392
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 1: Mac Jones a pass at most times, Paul is the

1393
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 1: only exception, albeit partially. Twenty to thirty two teams have

1394
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 1: o line gaps, thirty two out of thirty two teams

1395
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 1: have injuries. Less than ten teams feel absolutely great about

1396
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 1: all their weapons. However, the better teams with above average

1397
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 1: quarterbacks win despite gaps and injuries and weaknesses in position groups.

1398
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 1: I am not talking about the elite quarterbacks, but the

1399
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 1: quarterbacks ranked eight to sixteen can be effective with weaknesses

1400
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 1: around them. The main problem is that Mac Jones is

1401
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 1: a bottom ten quarterback and you all keep grading him

1402
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 1: in an ever lower curve every week. Mac okay against

1403
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 1: the Jets, really with a fifty percent completion record, Please,

1404
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 1: for the love of all things good in life, take

1405
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 1: your collective heads out of the you know where and

1406
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 1: stop insulting your listener's intelligence. The team's woes are sixty

1407
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 1: percent attributed to Mac, fifteen percent to coaching, and twenty

1408
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 1: five percent to player skills. Also Evan a couple of

1409
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 1: timid observations for you. One, it's okay to critique Bill,

1410
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 1: but maybe have some self awareness before you get go

1411
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 1: on a ten minute tirade on teaching him how to scheme.

1412
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 1: And two, this isn't the anti Bellum South or the

1413
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 1: British raj You don't have to add mister every time

1414
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 1: you mentioned the owner, just Robert or Kraft will suffice.

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01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 4: Hey, man, he's the one that signed. I'm as respectful

1416
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 4: to that.

1417
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 1: I don't ever hear you calling Bill mister Belichick. All

1418
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 1: that said, you are all great, contribute to my sanity

1419
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 1: among everything else that is going on in life. Keep

1420
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 1: up the good work.

1421
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 4: But keep of the good work. After that entire email,

1422
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 4: what's his name? I forgot deep, Deep, I'm going to

1423
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 4: invite you to watch some film with me of Mac

1424
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 4: Jones whenever you want. This is an open invitation, and

1425
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 4: we can break down the film together and let's see

1426
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:24,959
Speaker 4: if your opinion on him changes in terms of what's

1427
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 4: at more. I'd fallow about the offense.

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01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 5: I think it's do a great job, deep good email.

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01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 4: But I'm that serious, like I'm not trying to come

1430
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 4: at him or anything like.

1431
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 5: No, I will say this about that email. I thought

1432
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 5: it was going to go in a much different direction

1433
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 5: than it did. Yeah, but listen to Bill stuff. We

1434
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 5: get it, we can we put a new disclaimer at

1435
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 5: the beginning of the show. We understand that we've won

1436
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 5: six Super Bowls and more, had more success than any

1437
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 5: of us would have ever dreamed of, and we all

1438
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:57,680
Speaker 5: widely considered Bill Belichick to be the greatest coach of

1439
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 5: all time. But at the same time, you want us to,

1440
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:05,200
Speaker 5: you know, criticize the quarterback, but you don't let us

1441
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 5: criticize the coach. I get it, one has a much

1442
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 5: better resume than the other, but they all should be

1443
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 5: allowed to be criticized, right.

1444
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 6: I don't know. I I just I feel our conversations

1445
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 6: on MAC have been fair, and you know, I feel

1446
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 6: like we don't go overboard when you know he plays

1447
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 6: something bad. Like you know, I think we all agree

1448
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 6: he's an average quarterback. So there's gonna be bad stuff

1449
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 6: and there's.

1450
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 5: Gonna be good stuff.

1451
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 6: So he's accurate, but he thinks, he stinks he thinks

1452
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:32,240
Speaker 6: he's a below average quarterback.

1453
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:35,040
Speaker 1: He thinks he's a bottom ten quarterback.

1454
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 6: That's and that's and that's his opinion, and that's great.

1455
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 6: You know for us that this is our job and

1456
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 6: we watch him all the time all through the year.

1457
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 6: That's my opinion that he's an average quarterback and that

1458
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 6: he's not really bringing them down. He's also not raising them.

1459
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 1: Right, I mean, ultimately deep could be right. We just

1460
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 1: don't know. I think it's fair to say the jury's

1461
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 1: still out on mac Jones.

1462
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 4: I also think it's fair to say, I'm sorry to

1463
01:03:56,600 --> 01:04:00,240
Speaker 4: cut you off, like with Bill one, Like, how many

1464
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 4: more years do we have to give it before we

1465
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 4: can critique him?

1466
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 11: Right?

1467
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 1: I think we're coming to the.

1468
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, it spent five years since they won the Super

1469
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 4: Bowl in twenty eighteen, Like, at some point we have

1470
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 4: to And this really started in nineteen with Bill, Like

1471
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 4: in the offense and the lack of weapons and the

1472
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 4: lack of support around the quarterback. It's why the quarterbacks

1473
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 4: you had one of the reasons why he left. And

1474
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:26,440
Speaker 4: I would also just say, like, no, I don't everybody

1475
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:29,080
Speaker 4: knows I don't know more than Bill Belichick about football

1476
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 4: and myself included especially. But the point is is, I

1477
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 4: don't really think his track record with offensive football is

1478
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 4: all that great outside of Brady, Like, I don't think

1479
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:40,600
Speaker 4: that his track record with it is all that great.

1480
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:43,439
Speaker 5: I don't personally. That's the parts that like, I don't

1481
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 5: ever feel comfortable like, well, how could you set up

1482
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:50,360
Speaker 5: that play exus nosewise? Like what about it?

1483
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 6: No?

1484
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 5: I mean, I've never been in that situation, but I

1485
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 5: do feel comfortable sort of opining on whether or not

1486
01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 5: I feel the way he sets up a team or

1487
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 5: tries to bill the team is best in this day

1488
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 5: and age. And that's where I would question some of

1489
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 5: the stuff Evan just said, you know, his offensive football.

1490
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 5: I think he still thinks what he's doing, you know,

1491
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 5: Like I think I think he's thrilled with a win

1492
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 5: like Sunday. I look at a win like Sunday and said,

1493
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 5: you can't do that thirteen times? You might be able

1494
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 5: to do that.

1495
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 4: He said that after the game. He said, We're not

1496
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 4: going to win very many games scoring fifteen.

1497
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:27,200
Speaker 5: I know he says it, but I don't think he

1498
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:31,440
Speaker 5: believes it. What he does doesn't show you that he believes.

1499
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:33,720
Speaker 6: That what was Deep's breakdown? I mean, is it? Mac

1500
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 6: was fifty percent? Bill was fifteen.

1501
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 1: Mac is sixty five.

1502
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 5: And I didn't even add it up to add el

1503
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:42,440
Speaker 5: real quick with these things. Did it actually add up

1504
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:45,720
Speaker 5: to one hundred? Because I'm famous. I'm famous for havings

1505
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 5: that don't equal one hundred when I'm done.

1506
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 6: Skill of player a chunk?

1507
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 1: Well?

1508
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 5: See? Could that stuck out to me? He mentioned the

1509
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 5: skill of play.

1510
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:56,520
Speaker 1: And talent, But I want to reiterate was coaching?

1511
01:05:56,680 --> 01:06:00,040
Speaker 5: Can I reiterate that I really liked that email. I

1512
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 5: tend to like the emails that are critical of us

1513
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 5: more than anything else, as long as they're fair, like

1514
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 5: the one that criticized Evan before for suggesting that the

1515
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:11,960
Speaker 5: Dolphins the Cowboys have never been good on offense, which

1516
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 5: is not what he said. But the skill of the

1517
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:20,160
Speaker 5: players to me is Bill. Yeah, he separated those two.

1518
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:22,000
Speaker 5: Was Bill was like ten percent, The skill of the

1519
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:27,240
Speaker 5: players was twenty five. Bill acquires the players, that's all

1520
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 5: part of Bill and then rolls them out there, you know,

1521
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 5: And that's where I would like. I don't criticize Bill

1522
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 5: because of his game plan on Sunday or what he

1523
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 5: did on defense. I criticize Bill because there are opportunities

1524
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:41,720
Speaker 5: to improve the things that we think need to be improved,

1525
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:42,440
Speaker 5: and he doesn't do it.

1526
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:45,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I don't And I won't even like venture

1527
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:48,000
Speaker 6: to say what his philosophy is about team building because

1528
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:50,040
Speaker 6: you know, look, they took a wide receiver in the

1529
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:51,919
Speaker 6: first round. They took a running back in the first round.

1530
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:53,720
Speaker 6: They've taken a tackle in the first round. All of

1531
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:56,440
Speaker 6: these things they've done, which had they hit, they'd be

1532
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:58,160
Speaker 6: in a different place right now. But they I mean,

1533
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:00,280
Speaker 6: I like, we can't sit here and talk about Cole

1534
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 6: Strange having a terrible start to year two, whether it's

1535
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:05,959
Speaker 6: because of the injuries or whatever, and not say why

1536
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 6: did we draft to guard in the first round when

1537
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:09,160
Speaker 6: our offense.

1538
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:12,919
Speaker 1: Is so Bill was as good a personnel guy as

1539
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 1: he was a coach. They never lose.

1540
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:19,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's two thousand and seven. Like when he had

1541
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 5: when he actually had more talent than everybody else, they

1542
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:27,880
Speaker 5: were thirty seconds from going undefeated. That's how good a

1543
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:28,560
Speaker 5: coach he is.

1544
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:31,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, I just don't know what the disconnect is, like

1545
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 6: why like why why do they have to be different?

1546
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:36,000
Speaker 6: You know, like why can you sit there and look

1547
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:38,800
Speaker 6: at a player, and you've seen a million different NFL

1548
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:40,919
Speaker 6: players over the course of your career. You studied them,

1549
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:44,280
Speaker 6: you know everything there is content to know about every position,

1550
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:47,840
Speaker 6: and then the misses have just been so consistently bad.

1551
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 6: And that's like that, and that's really all it is

1552
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:52,440
Speaker 6: for me with my criticism of Bill is that the

1553
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:54,480
Speaker 6: drafts have not been good enough. And that's why you

1554
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:56,640
Speaker 6: are where you are. You have not developed any star

1555
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:59,560
Speaker 6: players in the last four years, and you're still sitting

1556
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:01,480
Speaker 6: kind of in neutral because you don't have players that

1557
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 6: can change the game. You got a couple Jude on,

1558
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:05,720
Speaker 6: you know, like you've found little bits and pieces, but

1559
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 6: they haven't found the next Gronk. They haven't found, you know,

1560
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:11,720
Speaker 6: the next Nate Soldier for that matter, like just a

1561
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 6: solid tackle who's going to be out there, doesn't need

1562
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:16,960
Speaker 6: to be a world beater, and that's it. That's everything.

1563
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:22,360
Speaker 5: The players that he has found offensively like that, generational players.

1564
01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:26,920
Speaker 5: It's obviously one hundred and ninety ninth overall Gronk, who

1565
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:28,840
Speaker 5: everybody in the league would have loved to have had.

1566
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:31,719
Speaker 5: He never would have been around in the second round

1567
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:34,519
Speaker 5: if he didn't have the back problem. It's coming out,

1568
01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 5: you know, Welker diamond in the rough, Edelman diamond in

1569
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:42,759
Speaker 5: the rough. You know, it's and I give him credit

1570
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:46,479
Speaker 5: for development in that in that regard and identifying skills

1571
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:48,800
Speaker 5: that translate to what he wants to do. I give

1572
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:50,439
Speaker 5: him one thousand percent credit for that.

1573
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:53,960
Speaker 1: But don't forget Steve Nis.

1574
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:59,400
Speaker 5: What you know when you draft Nikhil Harry, that's a

1575
01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:02,639
Speaker 5: little bit differ. You know, there's there's stakes involved there,

1576
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:07,320
Speaker 5: like if if Julian Edelman, like there are way more

1577
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:11,240
Speaker 5: guys that you've long since forgotten about that he tried

1578
01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 5: to make out of Julian Edelman.

1579
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:13,080
Speaker 6: We know that.

1580
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:15,160
Speaker 5: Okay, I don't have to give you my I love

1581
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:15,800
Speaker 5: to give you the run.

1582
01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:17,479
Speaker 6: They're good, They're always good.

1583
01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:20,840
Speaker 5: I won't do it. But there's no pressure there, there's

1584
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 5: no there's no stakes involved, there's nothing. You know, if

1585
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:26,080
Speaker 5: it does. If this doesn't work, it's not you know,

1586
01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 5: it's a it's an undrafted free agent, it's a sixth

1587
01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 5: to seventh round pick, doesn't matter. But if you miss

1588
01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:34,000
Speaker 5: on Nikhil Harry, it matters. Exactly the reason why.

1589
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:35,200
Speaker 1: You just said, it sets you back.

1590
01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 5: You should you should have a tackle that is part

1591
01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:39,759
Speaker 5: of your your your core. You should have a running

1592
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:41,680
Speaker 5: back who's part of your core. You should have a

1593
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:44,120
Speaker 5: wide receiver that's part of your core. And you should

1594
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:46,040
Speaker 5: have a guard now that's part of your core. And

1595
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 5: I'm not sure you have any.

1596
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:51,120
Speaker 1: Of them, Ramote and Tampa. I really appreciate the format

1597
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:56,240
Speaker 1: of PU. You talk about all the topics hot through sleeper, sleepers.

1598
01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:59,120
Speaker 1: You have a large panel, but everyone speaks when they

1599
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:01,599
Speaker 1: want to, and everyone speaks during the show. You also

1600
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 1: don't repeat. You also don't repeat or drag out maybe

1601
01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:07,600
Speaker 1: a little topics, which I love. I love listening for

1602
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:10,960
Speaker 1: those reasons. My question is why are talk radio shows

1603
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:13,400
Speaker 1: set up the way they are and not more like PU.

1604
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:16,439
Speaker 1: I hate how they all clamor to talk, repeat the

1605
01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:19,840
Speaker 1: same topic each hour, and pretty much have the same

1606
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:22,880
Speaker 1: agenda every day. Am I in the minority that find

1607
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:26,439
Speaker 1: their format frustrating? We're in a podcast era. We don't

1608
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:29,240
Speaker 1: need the hot topics repeated when we can play them

1609
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:29,799
Speaker 1: on demand.

1610
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:33,240
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't know, ahead, I mean, I don't

1611
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:34,800
Speaker 6: listen to a lot of other podcasts, so I'm not

1612
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:37,040
Speaker 6: really sure you know. I mean, I listen to radio shows,

1613
01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:38,000
Speaker 6: but I don't know.

1614
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:40,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, the radio shows that he's talking about are designed

1615
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 1: for basically people who are only listening for twenty minutes, right.

1616
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:46,080
Speaker 5: I was going to say that that's why they repeat

1617
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:48,120
Speaker 5: a lot of them. They repeat a lot of topics.

1618
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 5: They also have to take a lot of commercial breaks

1619
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:51,760
Speaker 5: that we don't. We take one in the middle of

1620
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:57,640
Speaker 5: the show, much to Hearty's dismay. But they you know,

1621
01:10:58,040 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 5: if they talk about something from two to three, the

1622
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:04,599
Speaker 5: people that are in the car are from five to six,

1623
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:07,599
Speaker 5: are not the same people. So that's why they sort

1624
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:09,479
Speaker 5: of reset. And Felger says that all the time, you know,

1625
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:13,080
Speaker 5: just reset, you know, And it is a lot if

1626
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:14,760
Speaker 5: you happen to listen to the whole show, it's a

1627
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:17,960
Speaker 5: lot of repetition. And I get you a point because

1628
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:21,559
Speaker 5: you're listening on a podcast, so you hear whatever you

1629
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:24,639
Speaker 5: want to hear, you know, and you know, playing back,

1630
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 5: but people are listening live, so they're kind of replaying

1631
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:30,000
Speaker 5: the the hits, so to speak.

1632
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 6: You've got to get the sound bites, you you got

1633
01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:32,880
Speaker 6: to do all that.

1634
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:35,000
Speaker 8: A lot of people take themselves too seriously too, not

1635
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:36,439
Speaker 8: necessarily like local radio.

1636
01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:39,320
Speaker 5: But that's why I think Felgrims never been accused of

1637
01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:40,719
Speaker 5: it's taking themselves too seriously.

1638
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:44,200
Speaker 8: But there are like a lot of like the Beat

1639
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:45,800
Speaker 8: Writer podcasts like.

1640
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:49,800
Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, that's like kind of like they have to

1641
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 6: do it too.

1642
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:52,160
Speaker 5: Why Alex and I so well?

1643
01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:55,000
Speaker 6: But how many podcasts two are about one team?

1644
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:55,160
Speaker 1: You know?

1645
01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:57,800
Speaker 6: I mean, like Alex said, yeah, the beat Writers. But

1646
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:00,599
Speaker 6: this is like you guys have been when this for

1647
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:03,360
Speaker 6: twenty what four years now? Like you guys have the

1648
01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:09,280
Speaker 6: chemistry that goes back, but I mean working together, you know,

1649
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:11,200
Speaker 6: like I don't I don't know what this show would

1650
01:12:11,240 --> 01:12:13,680
Speaker 6: be without, you know, you guys and your relationship as

1651
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:15,840
Speaker 6: kind of the anchor and you know, your silly fights

1652
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:17,880
Speaker 6: that you get into and you know, like that's just

1653
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:20,360
Speaker 6: something that you can't Hey, here's the two new Boston

1654
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:22,640
Speaker 6: Herald writers for the Patriots. They got a new podcast, Like.

1655
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:25,240
Speaker 5: Let's step that up. You know, we've we've stepped away

1656
01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 5: from that a little bit lately. Have you noticed that?

1657
01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:29,840
Speaker 1: Well, that one you know, back in the day when

1658
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:31,800
Speaker 1: I thought the team was pretty good with Brady, you

1659
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:33,320
Speaker 1: guys didn't. So we fought.

1660
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:39,800
Speaker 5: So also, and the trap away from that that you

1661
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 5: don't think the team's very good.

1662
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:43,519
Speaker 6: But I also think it's fun too that, like, you know,

1663
01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:45,879
Speaker 6: when Andy comes back in and you know, there's listeners

1664
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:47,840
Speaker 6: who remember him, and it's you know, it's almost like

1665
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:51,360
Speaker 6: a sitcom where a character comes back into that show absolutely,

1666
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:54,960
Speaker 6: you know, in the Cramer clap, you know.

1667
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:58,880
Speaker 5: Love them, love him, hate them whatever. Glenn Ordway, Okay,

1668
01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:01,680
Speaker 5: when I when he first asked me to be on

1669
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:05,320
Speaker 5: the Big Show one hundred years ago, and that's exactly

1670
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:07,320
Speaker 5: what he used to talk about. He goes, every day

1671
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:12,479
Speaker 5: is a different episode, and you know, you're gonna find

1672
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:15,840
Speaker 5: whatever your personality is is gonna get accentuated, and then

1673
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:19,640
Speaker 5: we're gonna explode it to something much bigger than it is,

1674
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:21,559
Speaker 5: and you're gonna play a character. You're gonna play a role.

1675
01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 5: And he said, I never want you to ever say

1676
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:27,519
Speaker 5: something or do something that you don't believe, but we're

1677
01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:31,160
Speaker 5: gonna accentuate your quirks and that's gonna be a big thing.

1678
01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:34,400
Speaker 5: And I think that that's right about this in general.

1679
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:36,519
Speaker 5: You know, and obviously Mike and Tony are the two

1680
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:40,720
Speaker 5: psychopaths that find fault and everything, right. I know them

1681
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:44,280
Speaker 5: both pretty well away from the radio, and especially Tony

1682
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:48,600
Speaker 5: is really nothing like his on air personality, nothing like it.

1683
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:49,719
Speaker 5: It just sort of gets.

1684
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:51,640
Speaker 6: Blown as he gets squeaky and raspy, like just in this.

1685
01:13:52,040 --> 01:13:53,160
Speaker 5: The voice, the voice is real.

1686
01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:59,559
Speaker 1: The voice is Chris and Colorado. I'm not sure about

1687
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:01,640
Speaker 1: your other emailer, But where do we sign up to

1688
01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:02,599
Speaker 1: watch film with Evan?

1689
01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:04,280
Speaker 15: I think we should auction?

1690
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:10,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, little I could be Patriots. Where do I to lose?

1691
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:11,920
Speaker 1: You have to watch film?

1692
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:13,320
Speaker 5: But where do I send a check? And you not

1693
01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:17,599
Speaker 5: have to do that? Yeah, exactly, Fred and I will

1694
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:18,000
Speaker 5: do that.

1695
01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:21,280
Speaker 1: I'd also like to recommend watching j T O'Sullivan's break

1696
01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:24,160
Speaker 1: down of Mac against the Jets on the QB School.

1697
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:26,719
Speaker 1: This is the most objective show out there except Paul

1698
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:30,960
Speaker 1: Starks negativity for Fred's hobarts kidding you guys are great.

1699
01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:32,639
Speaker 5: That's another great email.

1700
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:35,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, the JT. The JT thing was great. You know,

1701
01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:37,640
Speaker 6: it was really focusing on those thirty second start in

1702
01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:39,599
Speaker 6: a row. Mack was better than most people thought. Well,

1703
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:42,400
Speaker 6: he broke down those third, third down throws and we.

1704
01:14:42,479 --> 01:14:44,240
Speaker 5: Got to get to the point where every all fifteen

1705
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:45,760
Speaker 5: passes that he completed.

1706
01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:48,840
Speaker 1: Instead of like, oh here's a stat that you know

1707
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:51,840
Speaker 1: he's as good as Aaron Rodgers is, you know.

1708
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:54,639
Speaker 6: Yeah, I would say the most interesting thing to me though,

1709
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:58,080
Speaker 6: was he broke down the the incompletion of Juju up

1710
01:14:58,080 --> 01:14:59,679
Speaker 6: the sideline. I'm not sure if that was the first

1711
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:02,040
Speaker 6: or secon can third down at the end, but it

1712
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:04,040
Speaker 6: was really for him. More credit to the Jets for

1713
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:06,280
Speaker 6: really just playing it really well, not really leaving them.

1714
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:10,280
Speaker 5: And that was the disguised, disguised coverage they showed. They

1715
01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:12,400
Speaker 5: showed one and the jumped into you kind of did

1716
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:13,240
Speaker 5: a flare out, you know.

1717
01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:16,120
Speaker 6: So I look, anytime someone wants to do one of

1718
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:18,680
Speaker 6: those things, I'll watch it, and you know, I'm jto

1719
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:19,880
Speaker 6: Selvon's been doing a great job.

1720
01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:23,360
Speaker 1: Franklin and Baltimore has a response to deep oh boy.

1721
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 1: I'm not the biggest fan of Mac myself, but I

1722
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:28,320
Speaker 1: honestly don't know how any fan can look at the

1723
01:15:28,360 --> 01:15:31,600
Speaker 1: pass catchers, see them game in and game out, be

1724
01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:34,920
Speaker 1: bereft of talent, and yet put the otus on Mac

1725
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:37,520
Speaker 1: as if he was the one who personally picked those players.

1726
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:40,080
Speaker 1: If you believe that Bill the GM, the person who

1727
01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:44,200
Speaker 1: constructed the offensive roster, is above report reproach, then just

1728
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 1: say it. The rest of us. However, don't view Bill's

1729
01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:50,960
Speaker 1: mishandling of the wide receivers as bashing, but rather a

1730
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:55,479
Speaker 1: legitimate criticism of his possibly outdated perspective towards the position.

1731
01:15:56,840 --> 01:15:58,960
Speaker 5: That's kind of how I feel. Yeah, like I don't

1732
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:04,320
Speaker 5: feel like we bash anybody with the Patriots, do you.

1733
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:09,280
Speaker 1: Know Andrew and Louisiana. So Mac is sicking blame. I

1734
01:16:09,320 --> 01:16:11,879
Speaker 1: remember when Bill used to get credit for coaching players

1735
01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:15,320
Speaker 1: up and developing talent. Interesting when the players not playing

1736
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:18,600
Speaker 1: up to expectation, it's all the players fall. Sounds like

1737
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:19,759
Speaker 1: a separate category.

1738
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:20,759
Speaker 5: Told you that was a good email.

1739
01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:23,400
Speaker 1: He mentioned, I'll come back to teflon Bill.

1740
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:26,960
Speaker 5: I told you that inspire more email, that deep scent.

1741
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:29,360
Speaker 5: That's how you know it's good cause you get people

1742
01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:32,799
Speaker 5: that come back and they weigh in either to support

1743
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:34,200
Speaker 5: or to come back.

1744
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:36,040
Speaker 6: You know what keeps it keeps playing in my head.

1745
01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:37,680
Speaker 6: It was something that Bill said. I think it was

1746
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:39,160
Speaker 6: the end of last year when we're in that phase

1747
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:41,000
Speaker 6: of like can you just admit Max the starter or not?

1748
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:43,320
Speaker 6: And he said Mac can play in this league. And

1749
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:45,599
Speaker 6: I still just like, that's that's what I feel too,

1750
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:47,720
Speaker 6: Like he can play in this league. I just don't

1751
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:49,360
Speaker 6: know if he can put it all together and be

1752
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:51,719
Speaker 6: like a really good winning quarter but he can play.

1753
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:57,120
Speaker 5: Waiting to see a consistent level where I say something

1754
01:16:57,200 --> 01:16:58,719
Speaker 5: happened today because of Mac.

1755
01:16:59,200 --> 01:16:59,760
Speaker 6: Well that's I.

1756
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:02,800
Speaker 8: Remember sitting in the Training Camp show last year and

1757
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:04,679
Speaker 8: saying that this is the year we're going to find

1758
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:06,559
Speaker 8: out if Mac is a quarterback that can win you

1759
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:08,479
Speaker 8: a game or if he is a quarterback that loses

1760
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:12,160
Speaker 8: you a game. And he's still in like Kirk Cousins.

1761
01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:14,160
Speaker 5: Like like, I don't have very many like right down

1762
01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:16,439
Speaker 5: the middle. And you guys know, I'm a little probably

1763
01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:19,599
Speaker 5: more critical of Mac than you guys are, But I

1764
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:21,840
Speaker 5: don't have a laundry list of games where I said

1765
01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:25,000
Speaker 5: they lost that game because of Mac. I don't think

1766
01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:27,759
Speaker 5: that's true. I don't think that they've lost any maybe

1767
01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:31,880
Speaker 5: because of Mac, But I don't have any that they

1768
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:34,479
Speaker 5: won because of him either. Yeah, And I think that

1769
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:35,679
Speaker 5: sort of puts.

1770
01:17:35,479 --> 01:17:37,120
Speaker 4: You in quarterback purgatory.

1771
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:41,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like I think that the Cincinnati Bengals with Marvin

1772
01:17:42,040 --> 01:17:46,200
Speaker 5: Lewis and Andy Dalton had a lot of talent, and

1773
01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:49,240
Speaker 5: Dalton played well at times the first three or four

1774
01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:51,280
Speaker 5: years of his career. They won a couple of divisions.

1775
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:52,920
Speaker 5: They went to the playoffs three or four years in

1776
01:17:52,920 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 5: a row, and they couldn't win when they got there

1777
01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:58,599
Speaker 5: because the quarterback was just sort of along for the ride.

1778
01:17:59,160 --> 01:18:02,720
Speaker 5: He wasn't terrible. Andy Dalton in Cincinnati wasn't terrible, but

1779
01:18:02,760 --> 01:18:06,760
Speaker 5: he wasn't good enough either. And I hope that this

1780
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:07,720
Speaker 5: guy's better than that.

1781
01:18:08,439 --> 01:18:12,880
Speaker 1: But we'll see, Uh guess what we'll see now Evan's back.

1782
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:26,400
Speaker 18: Has has returned, has turned all right?

1783
01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:27,759
Speaker 1: Is yours?

1784
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:34,439
Speaker 4: I'm taking the Patriots Devon at practice. Lock it in,

1785
01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:41,320
Speaker 4: lock it up, lock it, lock it in, everybody, perfect

1786
01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:45,360
Speaker 4: attendance for the Patriots. So cold, strange out there, Devon

1787
01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:50,639
Speaker 4: Godshaw out there, Jonathan Jones out there, pads pads on Wednesday.

1788
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:53,680
Speaker 1: Okay, well then that's that's even a bigger uh you know,

1789
01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:54,559
Speaker 1: fact that.

1790
01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:58,080
Speaker 4: We'll see has a as the head coach likes to say, well,

1791
01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:00,160
Speaker 4: we'll give you the injury report when we need to

1792
01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:02,960
Speaker 4: give you the injury repard. So around four o'clock, we'll

1793
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:05,840
Speaker 4: see who participated as much as we'll make sure that

1794
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:10,280
Speaker 4: we get whatever. But good news. I think it looks

1795
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 4: like Godshow at least avoided a major injury.

1796
01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:15,120
Speaker 6: I'm just I'm just hoping this isn't one of those. Yeah,

1797
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:16,800
Speaker 6: he was there for stretching, but then as soon as

1798
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:18,719
Speaker 6: stretching was over it media goes away.

1799
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:21,320
Speaker 5: I think he'll be limited. I think you'll list him

1800
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:24,120
Speaker 5: as limited, no doubt. But it's a good sign. I

1801
01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:26,840
Speaker 5: know a lot of people had had posted that, you know,

1802
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:30,240
Speaker 5: around the time the equality stuff, and then you know,

1803
01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:33,240
Speaker 5: they eventually put a quality on on injury reserve. They

1804
01:19:33,240 --> 01:19:36,240
Speaker 5: said that they felt like he avoided anything major.

1805
01:19:36,360 --> 01:19:39,120
Speaker 6: So yeah, there's a new ninety four out there too,

1806
01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:41,639
Speaker 6: so chances yeah, he's.

1807
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:43,320
Speaker 4: A many many.

1808
01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:45,280
Speaker 3: Many another Jones.

1809
01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 4: The defensive tackle, another Jones.

1810
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:50,440
Speaker 6: But upper field penetrate.

1811
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:54,240
Speaker 4: Upper fields and upper fields the last week or two, yeah,

1812
01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:55,360
Speaker 4: all last week too.

1813
01:19:57,439 --> 01:20:00,240
Speaker 1: Usual media contingent, yep, yep.

1814
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:03,240
Speaker 4: Usual media contingent. Always a little bit more numbers on

1815
01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:05,559
Speaker 4: Wednesday because you got the quarterback and you got Bill

1816
01:20:05,680 --> 01:20:09,040
Speaker 4: so a lot of people come down on Wednesdays, you know,

1817
01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:11,559
Speaker 4: turn the page to the next opponent, that sort of thing.

1818
01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:14,880
Speaker 4: So nice, nice contingent out there. Weathers still holding up,

1819
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:16,439
Speaker 4: so no rain.

1820
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:21,680
Speaker 1: Just curious of the usual media contingent. How many are

1821
01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:22,600
Speaker 1: going to Germany?

1822
01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:25,960
Speaker 4: Oh, I haven't take a poll. I haven't taken a

1823
01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:27,479
Speaker 4: pole yet, but I will. I'll get back to you,

1824
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:31,120
Speaker 4: but you get back out there, ask everybody. I'll do that.

1825
01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:34,320
Speaker 6: I think I talked to Mark and I think he's yeah.

1826
01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:34,880
Speaker 3: They're there.

1827
01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:38,680
Speaker 4: I've heard some yeses and some nose already, but not

1828
01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:39,880
Speaker 4: enough to draw.

1829
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:44,519
Speaker 1: It ain't cheap to get over there now, just I wouldn't.

1830
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:47,599
Speaker 6: I feel like ten people covering the past a lot

1831
01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:50,080
Speaker 6: of Thunderdome, They're going to make them fight for it, right,

1832
01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:51,200
Speaker 6: Karen Karen.

1833
01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:56,920
Speaker 4: And then all the the people that do everything. I

1834
01:20:56,920 --> 01:21:00,799
Speaker 4: don't know what to call those producers, but general general assignment,

1835
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:02,440
Speaker 4: That's what I'm talking about.

1836
01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:04,600
Speaker 5: Those people, Yeah, Capital jan journalists.

1837
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:09,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just not curious. How was the mood of

1838
01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:11,800
Speaker 1: the team coming off their first win of the year.

1839
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:18,719
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, you know they were there sounds they were normal,

1840
01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:22,360
Speaker 4: Like I don't think that, Yeah, they were. I'm trying

1841
01:21:22,360 --> 01:21:23,800
Speaker 4: to think of the name of the song that It

1842
01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:25,840
Speaker 4: isn't the lyric that I'm thinking right now because I

1843
01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:28,280
Speaker 4: don't want to say the lyric, but it you know,

1844
01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:30,880
Speaker 4: they were there were some dancing and some some rapping

1845
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:34,080
Speaker 4: going on, some singing, along going on during stretching.

1846
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:36,400
Speaker 6: Song, how's it go?

1847
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:38,120
Speaker 4: Smoke weed every day?

1848
01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:41,000
Speaker 5: Smoke every day?

1849
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:45,480
Speaker 6: That one can't the next episode?

1850
01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:48,640
Speaker 1: Do you think to get ready for the Cowboys, they

1851
01:21:48,720 --> 01:21:51,360
Speaker 1: might go indoors at some point this this week.

1852
01:21:51,479 --> 01:21:56,000
Speaker 4: That's a good question. Maybe maybe Friday, if they're going

1853
01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:57,960
Speaker 4: to pick a day to go inside.

1854
01:21:58,439 --> 01:22:01,160
Speaker 1: Just for kicks, Yeah, just to crank up the music.

1855
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:06,000
Speaker 4: Usually Fridays would be that day. From my experience, it's possible.

1856
01:22:06,120 --> 01:22:09,960
Speaker 1: Okay, good question. Uh. Kyle and Pembroke, in response to

1857
01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:12,799
Speaker 1: Deep Build a GM, screwed Mac over by letting Myers

1858
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:15,200
Speaker 1: go and replacing him with Juju. If we ad Meyers,

1859
01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:18,479
Speaker 1: the Patriots are two and one in the eminem connection

1860
01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:21,120
Speaker 1: Mac and Myers is heading this team to a playoff

1861
01:22:21,160 --> 01:22:24,320
Speaker 1: birth so ps, I'd pay a lot to do film

1862
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:25,280
Speaker 1: breakdown with Evan.

1863
01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:27,519
Speaker 5: Oh, since you've been gone?

1864
01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:29,280
Speaker 1: Another song by the.

1865
01:22:29,240 --> 01:22:31,519
Speaker 6: Way, Yeah, yeah, yeah, A lot of people they want

1866
01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:33,840
Speaker 6: to sign up in the experience.

1867
01:22:33,439 --> 01:22:36,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, well, we do the audio breakdowns of

1868
01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:39,439
Speaker 4: MAC every single week, So I take about twenty minutes

1869
01:22:39,479 --> 01:22:41,720
Speaker 4: of MAC film and break it down so you're not

1870
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:44,120
Speaker 4: I'm not live, but you can like walk you know,

1871
01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:45,160
Speaker 4: walk it through.

1872
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:48,679
Speaker 5: With set up. Yeah, I'm sorry, Webbex.

1873
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:54,400
Speaker 6: I was just gonna say, I'm really just really availability, Stacy.

1874
01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:56,840
Speaker 6: Can you only have to make the offensive coordinator available

1875
01:22:56,880 --> 01:22:59,360
Speaker 6: every week? I'm just kind of mad at myself for

1876
01:22:59,439 --> 01:23:02,800
Speaker 6: my Jacoby Myers me to take of the spring, you know,

1877
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:04,600
Speaker 6: when he left, and I'm like, I'm like, how was

1878
01:23:04,640 --> 01:23:06,519
Speaker 6: I not apoplectic about that?

1879
01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:08,439
Speaker 5: I try to tell you all the time. I know

1880
01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:10,720
Speaker 5: you're right, Paul, That's not what I'm going to tell

1881
01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:13,759
Speaker 5: you all the time. But you know, just because I'm crazy,

1882
01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:15,920
Speaker 5: you know me, I'm wrong.

1883
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:18,920
Speaker 1: You know, you know, like in politics when the president

1884
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:23,200
Speaker 1: does the State of the UNI and then whatever party.

1885
01:23:22,640 --> 01:23:24,520
Speaker 5: Gives a bottle.

1886
01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:26,800
Speaker 1: So when Bill O'Brien does his thing, we should have

1887
01:23:26,840 --> 01:23:28,600
Speaker 1: the Evan rebuttal afterwards.

1888
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:31,200
Speaker 4: No, let me tell you what you did wrong. But

1889
01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:34,559
Speaker 4: I to that point. We actually did have a comment

1890
01:23:34,720 --> 01:23:37,559
Speaker 4: on YouTube. I don't remember who the commenter's name was

1891
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:41,160
Speaker 4: that call us out on that, and I'm like, deeps email,

1892
01:23:41,439 --> 01:23:43,400
Speaker 4: I agree completely with that criticism.

1893
01:23:43,439 --> 01:23:44,280
Speaker 1: We were me.

1894
01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:46,599
Speaker 4: I will speak for myself. I don't aswee for you guys.

1895
01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:49,080
Speaker 4: I totally thought Juju was going to be a better

1896
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:51,639
Speaker 4: option for them than Jacobe Myers thought it was going

1897
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:54,040
Speaker 4: to be an upgrade, and that it's not even just

1898
01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:57,160
Speaker 4: not been an upgrade. It's been a complete disaster kind

1899
01:23:57,200 --> 01:23:57,599
Speaker 4: of so far.

1900
01:23:57,680 --> 01:23:59,960
Speaker 1: This is one where I think, I think, I think

1901
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:01,920
Speaker 1: I kind of sided with Myers on that one.

1902
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:03,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, you did, you were with me?

1903
01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:06,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, because we, like mister Myers, we wanted to hit well,

1904
01:24:06,840 --> 01:24:07,200
Speaker 1: you know what.

1905
01:24:07,240 --> 01:24:09,640
Speaker 5: That might have been part of it too. Maybe I

1906
01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:11,400
Speaker 5: was I was biased, totally.

1907
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:15,360
Speaker 4: I totally undersold what what Paul mentioned yesterday, which I

1908
01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:18,120
Speaker 4: thought was a really good point of just like how

1909
01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:21,880
Speaker 4: much space Kansas City's offense opens up, so that like

1910
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:24,320
Speaker 4: when he was catching the ball in Kansas City.

1911
01:24:24,520 --> 01:24:26,920
Speaker 6: And theat is totally different, right.

1912
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:29,439
Speaker 4: Like the Yaka setup is so different than like when

1913
01:24:29,439 --> 01:24:31,320
Speaker 4: he catches the ball here and there's there's a guy

1914
01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:33,760
Speaker 4: on top of him. Already in Kansas City, there was

1915
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:35,800
Speaker 4: all of this open space for him to just run

1916
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:40,160
Speaker 4: with the football, and that that hasn't translated here.

1917
01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:42,320
Speaker 5: You know, he just has his only other really good

1918
01:24:42,439 --> 01:24:45,280
Speaker 5: year in the NFL was opposite Antonio Brown and the

1919
01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:47,320
Speaker 5: height of Antonio Brown's powers.

1920
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:48,759
Speaker 6: And it's like and you're just talking about the field

1921
01:24:48,760 --> 01:24:51,760
Speaker 6: stuff which is completely applicable. But I'm just like, we

1922
01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:54,800
Speaker 6: love Jacoby Myers. He's a receiver that we developed here

1923
01:24:54,920 --> 01:24:57,080
Speaker 6: as a guy in the inside who made big plays,

1924
01:24:57,080 --> 01:24:58,040
Speaker 6: Like how do we let him go?

1925
01:24:58,120 --> 01:25:00,160
Speaker 8: I think there's really something to be said to for

1926
01:25:00,240 --> 01:25:02,240
Speaker 8: like kind of setting a tone of this is an

1927
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:05,839
Speaker 8: undrafted guy that we developed and now we're rewarding because

1928
01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:11,040
Speaker 8: if you like that.

1929
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:12,920
Speaker 1: I thought he was a little bit of a malcontent

1930
01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:14,920
Speaker 1: and he was part of the Gang of five, and

1931
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:17,559
Speaker 1: I don't think they wanted to give him the money,

1932
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:19,719
Speaker 1: but I think it was a mistake.

1933
01:25:20,680 --> 01:25:24,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it was a mistake. And I also like,

1934
01:25:25,479 --> 01:25:29,000
Speaker 5: I just I didn't really I didn't really get the

1935
01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:32,040
Speaker 5: whole thing if you wanted to bring him in, if

1936
01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:33,840
Speaker 5: you want to bring Juju in, because you said all

1937
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:37,280
Speaker 5: the things that were on the pros, right, more yak,

1938
01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:40,479
Speaker 5: more playmaking ability, maybe an ability to make a guy miss,

1939
01:25:40,479 --> 01:25:42,479
Speaker 5: whereas Jacoby didn't have a lot of that in this game,

1940
01:25:42,479 --> 01:25:45,680
Speaker 5: and I agree he didn't. Why like it had to

1941
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:47,920
Speaker 5: be won for one. That's the part that I really

1942
01:25:47,960 --> 01:25:51,800
Speaker 5: bristled at all off season. It was Mike Kasiki for

1943
01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:55,320
Speaker 5: John hu Smith, it was Juju Smith, Schuster for for

1944
01:25:55,479 --> 01:25:59,519
Speaker 5: Jacoby Myers. It was at the time James Robinson for

1945
01:26:01,720 --> 01:26:05,040
Speaker 5: Damien Harris, and I said, okay, yeah, you can make

1946
01:26:05,080 --> 01:26:07,320
Speaker 5: an argument. You can make an argument that in all

1947
01:26:07,320 --> 01:26:09,680
Speaker 5: of those cases you got a little bit better. But

1948
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:12,479
Speaker 5: really you're talking about six and a half dozen, it's

1949
01:26:12,520 --> 01:26:16,840
Speaker 5: not really much different. And I would say I loved

1950
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:19,800
Speaker 5: what Jacobe Myers did. I thought that he clearly fit

1951
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:22,120
Speaker 5: in why not bring Juju in? In addition to that.

1952
01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:25,559
Speaker 4: He investing too much in the offense, Paul.

1953
01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:27,880
Speaker 5: That's where I got really frustrated. Now, there was a

1954
01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:29,360
Speaker 5: lot of other things I said at the time. We

1955
01:26:29,400 --> 01:26:30,960
Speaker 5: don't have to get back to him now about the

1956
01:26:31,080 --> 01:26:33,360
Speaker 5: yak and they both averaged twelve or catch. I don't

1957
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:35,240
Speaker 5: really care how that comes about. It was a twelve

1958
01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:36,599
Speaker 5: yard game. You know.

1959
01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:39,920
Speaker 8: I stand by my TikTok boy comments I made back then.

1960
01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:46,880
Speaker 1: Let's go back to the ace ticket Hut Johnson, Louisiana.

1961
01:26:46,920 --> 01:26:47,240
Speaker 1: What's up?

1962
01:26:47,280 --> 01:26:52,120
Speaker 5: John got to make it the jeap talk by you.

1963
01:26:52,160 --> 01:26:56,560
Speaker 12: Joke yesterday talked about the.

1964
01:26:59,400 --> 01:26:59,880
Speaker 5: Better than now.

1965
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:03,680
Speaker 10: I know even like and I know they have.

1966
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:10,880
Speaker 4: A little bit he said, you said Cardinals, right, yeah, yeah, Cardinals, Yeah,

1967
01:27:11,120 --> 01:27:13,840
Speaker 4: uh yeah, they they were feisty. I mean, I don't know.

1968
01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:16,559
Speaker 4: I only watched one one game of theirs really closely,

1969
01:27:16,640 --> 01:27:18,400
Speaker 4: so I don't know what the first two games really

1970
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:18,840
Speaker 4: looked like.

1971
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:21,040
Speaker 5: They were pretty good in the first on the second

1972
01:27:21,040 --> 01:27:22,920
Speaker 5: game against the Giants.

1973
01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:24,040
Speaker 4: The one thing that really stood out and we'll see,

1974
01:27:24,120 --> 01:27:26,800
Speaker 4: like you know, they were playing in their dome in Arizona,

1975
01:27:27,160 --> 01:27:28,680
Speaker 4: Like I would like to see what it's like on

1976
01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:30,920
Speaker 4: a fast track for this Patriots offense. But I thought

1977
01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:32,920
Speaker 4: even the Cardinals had a lot more team speed than

1978
01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:36,439
Speaker 4: the Patriots did offensively, you know, they and they when

1979
01:27:36,439 --> 01:27:39,120
Speaker 4: you kind of look at their personnel like Hollywood Brown,

1980
01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:43,400
Speaker 4: Rondell Moore, like they do, they they have guys that

1981
01:27:43,439 --> 01:27:45,400
Speaker 4: can run on that team. And that was one thing

1982
01:27:45,439 --> 01:27:47,800
Speaker 4: that I think really stood out to me watching them

1983
01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:50,360
Speaker 4: on film was was how fast they were a lot

1984
01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:51,080
Speaker 4: faster than I thought.

1985
01:27:51,080 --> 01:27:52,000
Speaker 6: It's funny how that works.

1986
01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:55,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you want fast, if you want team speed,

1987
01:27:55,479 --> 01:27:56,360
Speaker 1: get fast players.

1988
01:27:56,360 --> 01:27:58,880
Speaker 6: So what was the quote, Yeah, that was the quote.

1989
01:27:59,040 --> 01:28:01,040
Speaker 1: If you want to be tough, get tough players.

1990
01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:03,160
Speaker 5: I have a hot girlfriend. I'm going to start dating

1991
01:28:03,200 --> 01:28:03,719
Speaker 5: hot girls.

1992
01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:06,479
Speaker 6: Back next week. Week five is yeah, you could be

1993
01:28:06,520 --> 01:28:07,160
Speaker 6: back next week.

1994
01:28:07,240 --> 01:28:09,400
Speaker 4: I think I think you will be.

1995
01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:17,040
Speaker 1: Let's go to Nate in Northeastern Pennsylvania, ingod.

1996
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:21,000
Speaker 10: I have a quick observation. I'm hoping to get your

1997
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:23,080
Speaker 10: take on. I don't know if it's right or wrong either,

1998
01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:25,360
Speaker 10: so Evan, you steel free to chime in. But over

1999
01:28:25,400 --> 01:28:29,000
Speaker 10: the last three games, it's on offensive play calling. Over

2000
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:31,680
Speaker 10: the last three games, I've been pretty satisfied with with

2001
01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:34,240
Speaker 10: Bill O'Brien, and a lot of it stuffy schemed up.

2002
01:28:34,280 --> 01:28:37,679
Speaker 10: But I've gotten the vibe that a lot of times

2003
01:28:37,720 --> 01:28:40,040
Speaker 10: on like second or third down and let's just say

2004
01:28:40,120 --> 01:28:44,320
Speaker 10: six yards the past play goes for like four yards

2005
01:28:44,439 --> 01:28:46,960
Speaker 10: or five yards, it seems like they're scheming up a

2006
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:49,240
Speaker 10: lot of stuff that's just short of the sticks. Is

2007
01:28:49,280 --> 01:28:53,920
Speaker 10: it just me or do you guys see that as well?

2008
01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:57,080
Speaker 4: Honestly, I thought last week it was the opposite that

2009
01:28:57,120 --> 01:28:59,200
Speaker 4: they were scheming, especially in the second half of that

2010
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:01,280
Speaker 4: they were right on third down in the first half

2011
01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:04,240
Speaker 4: they were six for ten. The second half I thought

2012
01:29:04,280 --> 01:29:05,840
Speaker 4: that they were I mean, there was all the deep

2013
01:29:05,880 --> 01:29:07,920
Speaker 4: balls to juju and stuff like that that they were

2014
01:29:07,960 --> 01:29:10,320
Speaker 4: trying to do on on third and medium, which so

2015
01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:14,040
Speaker 4: I don't necessarily think that it that it has anything

2016
01:29:14,080 --> 01:29:15,240
Speaker 4: to do with play designer.

2017
01:29:15,080 --> 01:29:17,160
Speaker 6: Park Parker passed the sticks on that big one of

2018
01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:17,960
Speaker 6: the left sideline.

2019
01:29:17,960 --> 01:29:21,759
Speaker 5: I mean, this is totally anecdotal, but I can think

2020
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:27,240
Speaker 5: of the Tom Brady offense often being predicated on throw

2021
01:29:27,360 --> 01:29:29,960
Speaker 5: short of the sticks and relying on Wes Welker and

2022
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:32,960
Speaker 5: Julian Edelman. They run for the first down James White,

2023
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:36,240
Speaker 5: a lot of their third down success is not necessarily

2024
01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:38,320
Speaker 5: throwing it beyond the sticks.

2025
01:29:38,680 --> 01:29:42,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, football outsiders used to used to track it. They

2026
01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:46,599
Speaker 4: called it Alex after Alex Smith. Alex Smith was always

2027
01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:49,000
Speaker 4: short of the sticks. But you know, ri ip to

2028
01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:51,920
Speaker 4: football outsiders, they're they're going through some so they I

2029
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:54,360
Speaker 4: don't know if that stat is readily available anymore, but

2030
01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:59,240
Speaker 4: usually the Patriots were actually pretty good about throwing past

2031
01:29:59,240 --> 01:30:01,320
Speaker 4: the sticks tip to the rest of the league. So

2032
01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:04,360
Speaker 4: I don't know what it's act quite quite right now.

2033
01:30:04,439 --> 01:30:06,640
Speaker 10: Yeah, maybe I'm still just reeling from last week with

2034
01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:09,080
Speaker 10: the Dolphins and how many tents bring the sticks out

2035
01:30:09,120 --> 01:30:12,439
Speaker 10: to measure. But I just didn't see very much yards

2036
01:30:12,479 --> 01:30:15,719
Speaker 10: after contact on some of those short plays. But again,

2037
01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:17,799
Speaker 10: I'm kind of lumping all three games together.

2038
01:30:17,880 --> 01:30:22,560
Speaker 1: Thank guys, all right, Thanks Nate, Eric is in Amherstburg.

2039
01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:25,320
Speaker 5: What's up, Eric, Bill Township.

2040
01:30:25,439 --> 01:30:27,680
Speaker 19: Hey, guys, I'm going to make this really quick, but

2041
01:30:27,880 --> 01:30:29,360
Speaker 19: I have a little bit of a bone to pick.

2042
01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:32,520
Speaker 4: With Dus because finally somebody.

2043
01:30:33,960 --> 01:30:37,559
Speaker 19: Right, so you said that only like, oh, what wide

2044
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:39,479
Speaker 19: receiver can make a difference on this offense.

2045
01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:41,639
Speaker 10: It's not just one wide receiver.

2046
01:30:42,120 --> 01:30:47,559
Speaker 19: It's the accumulation from twenty eighteen till now, Sony Juju,

2047
01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:51,280
Speaker 19: all the type one, all these guys that Bill just

2048
01:30:51,400 --> 01:30:54,680
Speaker 19: can't draft. He's bringing in guys to replace guys like

2049
01:30:54,760 --> 01:30:58,200
Speaker 19: you guys were saying, it's not working out and it

2050
01:30:58,360 --> 01:31:02,360
Speaker 19: is completely bare. And if you want to go, just

2051
01:31:02,439 --> 01:31:05,400
Speaker 19: with this off season, because I'm sick of you guys

2052
01:31:05,400 --> 01:31:08,320
Speaker 19: talking about Gonzo and how great he is. He could

2053
01:31:08,360 --> 01:31:12,719
Speaker 19: be delon standers and in this day and age, it's nothing.

2054
01:31:12,760 --> 01:31:13,479
Speaker 10: It means nothing.

2055
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:18,280
Speaker 19: You sign or bring in Zay Flowers, bringing Hopkins, that's

2056
01:31:18,320 --> 01:31:22,320
Speaker 19: one move. Eliminate Gonzo and does that change your offense?

2057
01:31:22,360 --> 01:31:23,640
Speaker 9: Does that make you more competitive?

2058
01:31:24,400 --> 01:31:25,040
Speaker 11: I think it does.

2059
01:31:25,080 --> 01:31:27,599
Speaker 19: I don't think Gonzo makes the difference on keeping us

2060
01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:28,519
Speaker 19: competitive in the game.

2061
01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:31,519
Speaker 1: How a great day, guys, all right? I disagree a

2062
01:31:31,560 --> 01:31:33,479
Speaker 1: little bit. I mean in terms of scoring a lot

2063
01:31:33,479 --> 01:31:36,360
Speaker 1: of points. Obviously, no, you need you need pass catches.

2064
01:31:36,400 --> 01:31:39,280
Speaker 1: But I think the defense is what is keeping them

2065
01:31:39,280 --> 01:31:42,559
Speaker 1: competitive right now, and he's a big part of the defense.

2066
01:31:42,640 --> 01:31:44,400
Speaker 4: I would also just say, like why not both like

2067
01:31:44,439 --> 01:31:46,800
Speaker 4: you he mentioned the Hopkins, like they could have signed

2068
01:31:46,840 --> 01:31:49,960
Speaker 4: Hopkins and drafted Christian Gonzales in the first round, So

2069
01:31:50,040 --> 01:31:52,040
Speaker 4: I like that. That's the piece of it to me.

2070
01:31:52,160 --> 01:31:56,320
Speaker 4: That doesn't really Yes, you can't have Zay Flowers and

2071
01:31:56,400 --> 01:31:58,280
Speaker 4: Christian Gonzales, you had to pick one or the other

2072
01:31:58,280 --> 01:32:00,439
Speaker 4: there in the first round. But you could have had

2073
01:32:00,520 --> 01:32:04,320
Speaker 4: Christian Gonzalez and let's say, you know, Josh Downs, you

2074
01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:07,240
Speaker 4: know who's had a pretty good start in Indianapolis, so

2075
01:32:07,400 --> 01:32:09,439
Speaker 4: like you could have It doesn't have to be one

2076
01:32:09,439 --> 01:32:11,240
Speaker 4: into the other. It might not have been Zey Flowers,

2077
01:32:11,280 --> 01:32:12,439
Speaker 4: but it could have been somebody else.

2078
01:32:12,680 --> 01:32:14,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I agree with I mean, I don't know,

2079
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:16,000
Speaker 6: always call me out, but you know, my point was

2080
01:32:16,040 --> 01:32:18,320
Speaker 6: more just that they weren't they didn't ignore it, like

2081
01:32:18,320 --> 01:32:20,200
Speaker 6: they drafted a wide receiver in the first round. Like

2082
01:32:20,240 --> 01:32:21,960
Speaker 6: it's not like they just are like we're never touching

2083
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:24,280
Speaker 6: a wide receiver. I agree with everything he said.

2084
01:32:24,360 --> 01:32:26,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was one of those that was one of

2085
01:32:26,080 --> 01:32:28,000
Speaker 5: those coming at you with things that I've heard you

2086
01:32:28,040 --> 01:32:31,240
Speaker 5: say many times. Yes, yeah, the draft. The Gonzales thing

2087
01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:34,680
Speaker 5: to me is interesting, and I listen. I was on

2088
01:32:34,720 --> 01:32:37,000
Speaker 5: Gonzales before they drafted him. He was a guy that

2089
01:32:37,040 --> 01:32:39,720
Speaker 5: I identified as one of two or three guys that

2090
01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:43,080
Speaker 5: really it hopes that they got. So I'm thrilled. No,

2091
01:32:43,720 --> 01:32:45,639
Speaker 5: I'm thrilled with the way he's playing. I'm not trying

2092
01:32:45,680 --> 01:32:47,840
Speaker 5: to tell you that I didn't want him, because I did.

2093
01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:52,800
Speaker 5: But I do sort of understand the argument of you're

2094
01:32:52,840 --> 01:32:55,879
Speaker 5: falling short because of you're missing some pieces on offense.

2095
01:32:56,280 --> 01:32:58,280
Speaker 5: So just because you hit on the first round pick

2096
01:32:58,320 --> 01:33:01,280
Speaker 5: doesn't I'm fine with it. I'm like, I'm just giving

2097
01:33:01,320 --> 01:33:04,960
Speaker 5: you the devil's advocates, like did you lose a couple

2098
01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:07,240
Speaker 5: of games because you couldn't protect your quarterback? But so

2099
01:33:07,280 --> 01:33:09,719
Speaker 5: maybe if you took it. You know the gripe about

2100
01:33:09,880 --> 01:33:12,840
Speaker 5: the day two picks, like absolutely know you could go

2101
01:33:12,920 --> 01:33:16,280
Speaker 5: there too, and has looked great in flashes, but he

2102
01:33:16,280 --> 01:33:17,000
Speaker 5: doesn't play.

2103
01:33:18,479 --> 01:33:20,719
Speaker 4: Does right? And neither does they both play ten snaps

2104
01:33:20,720 --> 01:33:25,000
Speaker 4: a game right? So like the criticism isn't of Gonzales.

2105
01:33:25,080 --> 01:33:26,800
Speaker 4: I know you're not saying you.

2106
01:33:26,800 --> 01:33:30,160
Speaker 5: Can't state that strongly enough. The criticism is not of Gonzales,

2107
01:33:30,200 --> 01:33:31,840
Speaker 5: who I just wrote an ode to.

2108
01:33:33,320 --> 01:33:34,760
Speaker 6: Where would we be without him right now?

2109
01:33:36,520 --> 01:33:36,720
Speaker 1: You know?

2110
01:33:37,360 --> 01:33:39,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's well, that's another.

2111
01:33:39,240 --> 01:33:42,000
Speaker 4: That's the one that really, like obviously really kills them

2112
01:33:42,040 --> 01:33:45,240
Speaker 4: because in their eyes, they're not going to invest another

2113
01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:48,280
Speaker 4: top fifty pick in a receiver because they just did

2114
01:33:48,320 --> 01:33:51,839
Speaker 4: that last year. And that's how that's how they've explained

2115
01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:54,040
Speaker 4: it in the past, like when they went in nineteen

2116
01:33:54,080 --> 01:33:56,040
Speaker 4: they took nick kill Harry in the first round, and

2117
01:33:56,040 --> 01:33:58,439
Speaker 4: then in twenty twenty they I think they took Trey

2118
01:33:58,479 --> 01:34:01,200
Speaker 4: Nixon in the seventh that was maybe that year, but

2119
01:34:01,280 --> 01:34:05,880
Speaker 4: they didn't take a receiver, and everybody was like, like,

2120
01:34:05,920 --> 01:34:07,640
Speaker 4: how did you not take a receiver? Like that's like,

2121
01:34:07,720 --> 01:34:10,400
Speaker 4: it's such a big issue. And his response was, we

2122
01:34:10,479 --> 01:34:13,240
Speaker 4: traded for SNeW and we drafted Nikhil Harry, so we

2123
01:34:13,280 --> 01:34:15,840
Speaker 4: had already invested a first in a second round pick

2124
01:34:16,200 --> 01:34:19,320
Speaker 4: at the receiver position. So we're not gonna we've used

2125
01:34:19,320 --> 01:34:22,240
Speaker 4: too much capital on receivers. Whereas other teams, you know,

2126
01:34:22,280 --> 01:34:24,880
Speaker 4: I've mentioned Philly in the past, they just kept trying.

2127
01:34:25,160 --> 01:34:28,080
Speaker 4: They they just kept drafting them and it worked out.

2128
01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:29,000
Speaker 19: Uh.

2129
01:34:29,160 --> 01:34:31,920
Speaker 1: Still in Seattle, people that are calling for Mac to

2130
01:34:31,960 --> 01:34:34,799
Speaker 1: be retooled with high end weapons are forgetting the fact

2131
01:34:35,040 --> 01:34:37,160
Speaker 1: that you have to make this guy the highest paid

2132
01:34:37,200 --> 01:34:40,679
Speaker 1: player on your franchise's history soon on top of equipping

2133
01:34:40,760 --> 01:34:43,280
Speaker 1: him with players that have to carry him. That doesn't

2134
01:34:43,280 --> 01:34:45,400
Speaker 1: make sense to me, So I can see how it

2135
01:34:45,439 --> 01:34:48,720
Speaker 1: wouldn't make sense to Robert Craft in most gms.

2136
01:34:48,760 --> 01:34:52,559
Speaker 5: Then you don't want to win like you're you're content

2137
01:34:52,640 --> 01:34:55,200
Speaker 5: with this, I mean, you have to spend money at some.

2138
01:34:55,200 --> 01:34:59,880
Speaker 6: Point, right, Yep, did a tough decision. What's I mean?

2139
01:35:00,280 --> 01:35:02,200
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm not telling you you have to do

2140
01:35:02,240 --> 01:35:04,160
Speaker 5: it to Mac Jones, but I'm saying the guy is right,

2141
01:35:04,200 --> 01:35:09,280
Speaker 5: the email is right. Eventually, soon your quarterback is going

2142
01:35:09,320 --> 01:35:10,960
Speaker 5: to be your highest paid player that you've ever had

2143
01:35:10,960 --> 01:35:13,080
Speaker 5: in your team. That's going to happen sooner or later

2144
01:35:13,120 --> 01:35:16,680
Speaker 5: three years, Okay, whether it's Mac or somebody else, like,

2145
01:35:16,720 --> 01:35:20,320
Speaker 5: at some point that's going to happen. Are you willing

2146
01:35:20,400 --> 01:35:23,519
Speaker 5: to you know, not necessarily the highest guy, but are

2147
01:35:23,560 --> 01:35:26,920
Speaker 5: you willing to augment that with high paid guys around him?

2148
01:35:27,240 --> 01:35:29,479
Speaker 5: And if you're not, you're going to struggle.

2149
01:35:29,520 --> 01:35:29,960
Speaker 1: I know, that.

2150
01:35:30,080 --> 01:35:31,720
Speaker 6: And then the hard thing too is like watching you know,

2151
01:35:31,760 --> 01:35:33,759
Speaker 6: some of Dallas's games with the Giants and just watching

2152
01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:35,720
Speaker 6: Daniel Jones and like this is you know, it's just

2153
01:35:35,760 --> 01:35:37,600
Speaker 6: such a hard thing. Like I get why they did it,

2154
01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:39,640
Speaker 6: but like, you don't want to be that team that

2155
01:35:39,800 --> 01:35:42,479
Speaker 6: has to pay the average quarterback with the hope that

2156
01:35:42,760 --> 01:35:44,840
Speaker 6: he's going to suddenly get to a level that you

2157
01:35:44,920 --> 01:35:47,479
Speaker 6: have not seen and you're paying him for things that

2158
01:35:47,520 --> 01:35:49,840
Speaker 6: you haven't seen yet. You know, you're giving him a

2159
01:35:49,960 --> 01:35:51,880
Speaker 6: top of then you know, top of the team kind

2160
01:35:51,880 --> 01:35:52,880
Speaker 6: of contract.

2161
01:35:52,479 --> 01:35:54,040
Speaker 5: And I won't kill him if they don't do that

2162
01:35:54,080 --> 01:35:56,360
Speaker 5: for mac Jones. That's the reason you said.

2163
01:35:56,400 --> 01:35:58,320
Speaker 4: That's why I think the fifth year option is a

2164
01:35:58,320 --> 01:35:59,679
Speaker 4: no brainer for mac Jones.

2165
01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:01,920
Speaker 5: It's only like twenty million, yeah, and.

2166
01:36:01,920 --> 01:36:03,760
Speaker 4: So that way there you still have the fifth year

2167
01:36:03,760 --> 01:36:06,360
Speaker 4: of team control, but you're not paying the forty million.

2168
01:36:06,360 --> 01:36:08,640
Speaker 4: That's what that's the problem the Giants. That was the

2169
01:36:08,680 --> 01:36:11,880
Speaker 4: mistake the Giants made the Giants be And granted it

2170
01:36:11,880 --> 01:36:13,880
Speaker 4: was based off of Daniel Jones's first two years in

2171
01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:15,880
Speaker 4: the league, so I understand why they didn't want to

2172
01:36:16,160 --> 01:36:18,639
Speaker 4: pick up the option. But they didn't pick up the option,

2173
01:36:18,880 --> 01:36:20,919
Speaker 4: so then he became a free agent a year earlier,

2174
01:36:21,040 --> 01:36:22,720
Speaker 4: and so then they had no choice but to pay him.

2175
01:36:23,439 --> 01:36:26,040
Speaker 5: They only got four years of affordability instead of five.

2176
01:36:26,320 --> 01:36:27,360
Speaker 5: You should get five.

2177
01:36:27,160 --> 01:36:30,160
Speaker 4: Because technically you can pick up the fifth year option,

2178
01:36:30,640 --> 01:36:33,640
Speaker 4: and then in year six you could franchise him. And

2179
01:36:33,680 --> 01:36:35,680
Speaker 4: now you're still kicking the can down the road of

2180
01:36:35,720 --> 01:36:38,120
Speaker 4: giving him the ninety million dollars guarantee.

2181
01:36:39,200 --> 01:36:42,240
Speaker 1: So Richard New York City loved the show. I think

2182
01:36:42,320 --> 01:36:45,320
Speaker 1: what the caller who criticized the Gonzo pick does not

2183
01:36:45,400 --> 01:36:48,519
Speaker 1: realize is that you need a lockdown corner in the NFL.

2184
01:36:48,880 --> 01:36:52,080
Speaker 1: As Fred said previously a while ago, a lockdown corner

2185
01:36:52,160 --> 01:36:54,559
Speaker 1: opens things up and helps you in this league. That's

2186
01:36:54,920 --> 01:36:55,280
Speaker 1: for sure.

2187
01:36:55,360 --> 01:36:56,040
Speaker 6: It's one of the three.

2188
01:36:56,080 --> 01:36:56,519
Speaker 1: They're rare.

2189
01:36:56,600 --> 01:36:59,639
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's they're rare. The corner, a pass rusher, a receiver,

2190
01:36:59,720 --> 01:37:01,840
Speaker 6: cour back. I mean those are you know, the big

2191
01:37:01,880 --> 01:37:04,639
Speaker 6: four and left tackle maybe, but you know they didn't

2192
01:37:04,680 --> 01:37:05,960
Speaker 6: have that guy, and I mean, I don't know what

2193
01:37:05,960 --> 01:37:07,800
Speaker 6: things would look like right now when you got all

2194
01:37:07,840 --> 01:37:10,240
Speaker 6: the Joneses are on the sideline. You had no Gonzales,

2195
01:37:10,240 --> 01:37:13,519
Speaker 6: so you would have been starting Sean Wade and Miles Bryant.

2196
01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:16,120
Speaker 6: Last week, like you know, I mean, I you know,

2197
01:37:16,200 --> 01:37:19,320
Speaker 6: respect that that people prefer the receiver, and I understand why,

2198
01:37:19,360 --> 01:37:21,240
Speaker 6: but I think given where Gonzo was supposed to go

2199
01:37:21,320 --> 01:37:23,639
Speaker 6: and where you got him, it was a no brainer.

2200
01:37:23,720 --> 01:37:25,559
Speaker 6: And it didn't fill And I think, you know the

2201
01:37:25,560 --> 01:37:28,760
Speaker 6: point a hit in the second a hit in the

2202
01:37:28,760 --> 01:37:29,280
Speaker 6: second round.

2203
01:37:29,320 --> 01:37:31,760
Speaker 5: But I thought there were there were alignment and skill

2204
01:37:31,840 --> 01:37:34,160
Speaker 5: position guys to be had that but it's just.

2205
01:37:34,040 --> 01:37:36,559
Speaker 6: Like, it's so frustrating because you have a sixth round

2206
01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:40,080
Speaker 6: pick that is clearly the most athletic receiver you got.

2207
01:37:40,080 --> 01:37:41,960
Speaker 6: What would it look like if instead of Jake Andrews,

2208
01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:44,000
Speaker 6: who God knows when he's ever going to get in

2209
01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:46,200
Speaker 6: the lineup, if you if you got one of those

2210
01:37:46,240 --> 01:37:48,439
Speaker 6: earlier guys like D three, that's what it looks like

2211
01:37:49,400 --> 01:37:51,000
Speaker 6: at the sixth round. What would it look like in

2212
01:37:51,040 --> 01:37:51,439
Speaker 6: the third.

2213
01:37:51,400 --> 01:37:54,840
Speaker 5: We're talking about the fourth round? Dwan Jones right names

2214
01:37:54,840 --> 01:37:56,680
Speaker 5: the fourth round, we're talking about moving him to the

2215
01:37:56,760 --> 01:37:57,120
Speaker 5: left side.

2216
01:37:57,160 --> 01:38:01,360
Speaker 4: Now, yeah, I know he's a player, conclin he was

2217
01:38:01,400 --> 01:38:04,240
Speaker 4: great at Ohio State. Dwan Jones Like that was an

2218
01:38:04,320 --> 01:38:06,479
Speaker 4: off the field like personality trait.

2219
01:38:07,080 --> 01:38:10,439
Speaker 5: But that's like second I mean, you know, the second

2220
01:38:10,520 --> 01:38:13,800
Speaker 5: or third day, like, no, I hear you. That's when

2221
01:38:13,800 --> 01:38:14,559
Speaker 5: you roll the dice on.

2222
01:38:14,560 --> 01:38:18,479
Speaker 1: It shutters in Manchester, UK. I thought Douglas's game looked

2223
01:38:18,520 --> 01:38:21,280
Speaker 1: off a bit last weekend, and I'm just wondering if

2224
01:38:21,320 --> 01:38:24,240
Speaker 1: others thought that too, and if it's from the knock

2225
01:38:24,240 --> 01:38:26,799
Speaker 1: of his confidence after Bill benched him against the Fins.

2226
01:38:27,320 --> 01:38:30,759
Speaker 1: I hope I'm wrong, but I got and Bill's stubborn

2227
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:33,840
Speaker 1: ways affected more than one game. And thanks duds for

2228
01:38:33,880 --> 01:38:35,799
Speaker 1: the Patriots propaganda support.

2229
01:38:37,400 --> 01:38:38,800
Speaker 6: I don't know, I didn't see enough of them to

2230
01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:40,360
Speaker 6: really make that observation.

2231
01:38:40,680 --> 01:38:42,240
Speaker 5: I don't know his game well enough to know if

2232
01:38:42,240 --> 01:38:43,680
Speaker 5: he was off last week, let's put it on.

2233
01:38:43,840 --> 01:38:45,599
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously they didn't connect on the deep ball,

2234
01:38:45,680 --> 01:38:48,040
Speaker 4: so if you're going just based off of like the targets,

2235
01:38:48,080 --> 01:38:50,080
Speaker 4: I guess like that. But I thought the route that

2236
01:38:50,160 --> 01:38:52,880
Speaker 4: he ran on third down, that Mac made a great

2237
01:38:52,880 --> 01:38:54,640
Speaker 4: throw to throw it, you know, drop it over the

2238
01:38:54,640 --> 01:38:57,040
Speaker 4: first level and before I thought that was a really

2239
01:38:57,040 --> 01:38:59,439
Speaker 4: good route. I mean, if you like watch it, he

2240
01:38:59,439 --> 01:39:02,080
Speaker 4: he really does a nice job of pushing vertical up

2241
01:39:02,080 --> 01:39:03,960
Speaker 4: the field to get the safety to you know, have

2242
01:39:04,040 --> 01:39:07,000
Speaker 4: to bail out and then break like he's a dynamic

2243
01:39:07,040 --> 01:39:09,400
Speaker 4: route runner. They just they got to figure out a

2244
01:39:09,439 --> 01:39:13,240
Speaker 4: way to get him involved with while living with the

2245
01:39:13,280 --> 01:39:15,120
Speaker 4: growing pains of a rookie receives.

2246
01:39:15,160 --> 01:39:17,040
Speaker 5: My only concerns with him or size. I think he

2247
01:39:17,040 --> 01:39:18,840
Speaker 5: can play. I think he has ability to play.

2248
01:39:18,880 --> 01:39:19,519
Speaker 6: Canny hold up?

2249
01:39:19,560 --> 01:39:20,240
Speaker 5: Can he hold up?

2250
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Speaker 1: Sulman? What's your assessment Ben on the linebackers so far?

2251
01:39:24,120 --> 01:39:26,280
Speaker 1: I feel like I haven't heard any of their names

2252
01:39:26,320 --> 01:39:29,200
Speaker 1: stand out. Bentley to Vi Wilson, and to an extent,

2253
01:39:29,720 --> 01:39:32,679
Speaker 1: see to have been quiet. But what are all your thoughts?

2254
01:39:33,400 --> 01:39:35,559
Speaker 6: I think Bentley was bad last week, he was good

2255
01:39:35,560 --> 01:39:38,200
Speaker 6: this week. Tova has been what he's what he is,

2256
01:39:39,280 --> 01:39:41,320
Speaker 6: and mac Wilson is barely playing right now.

2257
01:39:41,400 --> 01:39:44,559
Speaker 1: And do you include Jennings as a linebacker well.

2258
01:39:44,520 --> 01:39:45,479
Speaker 5: For this game? Sure?

2259
01:39:45,640 --> 01:39:47,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, sure, And I mean I'd love to see more

2260
01:39:47,280 --> 01:39:48,640
Speaker 6: of him. I just I don't I don't know how

2261
01:39:48,760 --> 01:39:50,040
Speaker 6: much he can really move the needle.

2262
01:39:51,680 --> 01:39:56,679
Speaker 5: Like Bentley and Tavai struggled against Miami speed, Yeah, they

2263
01:39:56,960 --> 01:40:01,280
Speaker 5: are much more present against the Jets physicality that's kind

2264
01:40:01,280 --> 01:40:03,519
Speaker 5: of lends itself to them. And I think Jennings played

2265
01:40:03,760 --> 01:40:04,599
Speaker 5: for the same reason.

2266
01:40:05,080 --> 01:40:08,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, but Bentley was awesome against the Jets.

2267
01:40:08,640 --> 01:40:09,320
Speaker 5: That's his game.

2268
01:40:10,120 --> 01:40:12,439
Speaker 4: That's why that's why I like them against Dallas is

2269
01:40:12,439 --> 01:40:14,200
Speaker 4: because I think that he can play that way. Like

2270
01:40:14,240 --> 01:40:16,400
Speaker 4: if you're going to play in a pham booth against

2271
01:40:16,439 --> 01:40:17,960
Speaker 4: Jewan Bentley and run.

2272
01:40:17,800 --> 01:40:18,400
Speaker 15: It right out of it.

2273
01:40:18,439 --> 01:40:21,360
Speaker 5: They're different caliber players, that's all. I mean. That's how

2274
01:40:21,479 --> 01:40:23,120
Speaker 5: Dallas has to caliber players.

2275
01:40:23,160 --> 01:40:25,960
Speaker 6: I mean, but you know, twenty six snaps last week.

2276
01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:28,559
Speaker 6: I just he's a really interesting player to me of

2277
01:40:28,600 --> 01:40:30,800
Speaker 6: how the league's gonna view him this offseason and how

2278
01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:33,320
Speaker 6: the Patriots are going to view him this offseason. He

2279
01:40:33,400 --> 01:40:35,559
Speaker 6: certainly looks athletic out there running around, but.

2280
01:40:35,680 --> 01:40:37,720
Speaker 5: I think he's fine. I think he's I think he's

2281
01:40:37,720 --> 01:40:39,679
Speaker 5: a role player that he does in that role.

2282
01:40:40,160 --> 01:40:44,720
Speaker 4: I feel for Kyle Duger in that respect because I

2283
01:40:44,720 --> 01:40:46,760
Speaker 4: don't think it's on purpose. I know people like where

2284
01:40:46,760 --> 01:40:48,920
Speaker 4: the tinfoil at on on these types of things and

2285
01:40:48,960 --> 01:40:51,599
Speaker 4: say that, but they had to. They have to replace

2286
01:40:51,600 --> 01:40:53,840
Speaker 4: Devin mccordy. He has to be a part of that,

2287
01:40:54,360 --> 01:40:57,599
Speaker 4: and he's moving further and further away from the ball,

2288
01:40:57,880 --> 01:40:59,559
Speaker 4: So like all of those plays on the ball that

2289
01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:01,560
Speaker 4: he made last year are now. I'll go in to

2290
01:41:01,600 --> 01:41:04,400
Speaker 4: Jabriel Peppers, who happens to not be a free agency.

2291
01:41:04,040 --> 01:41:07,040
Speaker 5: At full disclosure. In general terms, I'm one of those

2292
01:41:07,080 --> 01:41:10,320
Speaker 5: tinfoil hat guys. I agree with Evan what he just

2293
01:41:10,360 --> 01:41:12,800
Speaker 5: said about Dugger. I don't think this one is is that.

2294
01:41:13,360 --> 01:41:16,559
Speaker 5: I think this is out of necessity. Clearly they're not

2295
01:41:16,680 --> 01:41:19,400
Speaker 5: thrilled with with Adrian Phillips and Jalen Mills because they

2296
01:41:19,400 --> 01:41:22,520
Speaker 5: haven't played a whole lot. So it's Dougger, it's Pepper's.

2297
01:41:22,600 --> 01:41:24,679
Speaker 6: You know, it's a little more this week.

2298
01:41:25,640 --> 01:41:27,920
Speaker 5: But you're right about it. But I don't. I don't

2299
01:41:27,920 --> 01:41:31,439
Speaker 5: feel like it was some kind of orchestrated attempt to

2300
01:41:31,479 --> 01:41:33,120
Speaker 5: get I think you could make an argument with what

2301
01:41:33,160 --> 01:41:35,559
Speaker 5: they did with the tackles last year. I had the

2302
01:41:35,600 --> 01:41:40,080
Speaker 5: tinfoil hat on for that, and clearly so did Trent Brown.

2303
01:41:42,439 --> 01:41:45,639
Speaker 5: But I don't. I don't look at this that way.

2304
01:41:45,720 --> 01:41:49,120
Speaker 5: I think that Dugger is probably not going to have

2305
01:41:49,120 --> 01:41:51,720
Speaker 5: the stats that he did last year anyway. I mean,

2306
01:41:51,720 --> 01:41:54,000
Speaker 5: the ball found him a lot last year. You know,

2307
01:41:54,240 --> 01:41:57,320
Speaker 5: like a fumble, remember the fumble that Hopkins had against

2308
01:41:57,360 --> 01:41:59,760
Speaker 5: Arizona when he's like carrying it like this and you

2309
01:41:59,880 --> 01:42:02,439
Speaker 5: just dropped it and then Duger picks it up and

2310
01:42:02,479 --> 01:42:05,000
Speaker 5: runs it in for a touchdown like those, he's that's

2311
01:42:05,240 --> 01:42:07,280
Speaker 5: not likely to happen two years in a row. And

2312
01:42:07,360 --> 01:42:10,479
Speaker 5: now you couple the fact that he's been sort of

2313
01:42:10,479 --> 01:42:12,479
Speaker 5: single high a little bit, which never.

2314
01:42:12,479 --> 01:42:15,360
Speaker 6: Was Now it must be so hard for other teams,

2315
01:42:15,439 --> 01:42:18,280
Speaker 6: especially on defense, to project how the Patriots players would

2316
01:42:18,280 --> 01:42:20,400
Speaker 6: fit into their scheme, because you know, if you're gonna

2317
01:42:20,520 --> 01:42:22,840
Speaker 6: sign to a big deal and you like his his

2318
01:42:22,880 --> 01:42:26,760
Speaker 6: pass rush ability, he's never been a three down defensive

2319
01:42:26,760 --> 01:42:29,080
Speaker 6: player going back to college, he's always just kind of

2320
01:42:29,080 --> 01:42:31,040
Speaker 6: been a pass rusher. And you know, how much do

2321
01:42:31,160 --> 01:42:33,800
Speaker 6: other teams really value that role for if we're going

2322
01:42:33,880 --> 01:42:36,600
Speaker 6: to pay a defensive end outside linebacker, we want to

2323
01:42:36,600 --> 01:42:37,960
Speaker 6: make sure he's gonna be playing.

2324
01:42:38,040 --> 01:42:39,720
Speaker 5: I don't know. I don't know how much, but I

2325
01:42:39,760 --> 01:42:41,680
Speaker 5: think every team has those kinds of players. I just

2326
01:42:41,720 --> 01:42:42,840
Speaker 5: don't know how much you pay for that.

2327
01:42:43,640 --> 01:42:43,760
Speaker 3: Right.

2328
01:42:44,000 --> 01:42:48,040
Speaker 5: He's not Von Miller. You know who's gonna command big

2329
01:42:48,080 --> 01:42:51,280
Speaker 5: money as a situational pass rusher, But I don't know,

2330
01:42:51,360 --> 01:42:52,320
Speaker 5: could it be Leonard Floyd.

2331
01:42:52,760 --> 01:42:56,519
Speaker 4: It's just really hard to see him as anything more

2332
01:42:56,560 --> 01:43:00,360
Speaker 4: than a situational pass rusher because he's, like you said,

2333
01:43:00,400 --> 01:43:02,639
Speaker 4: like you didn't even do that in college like at Michigan,

2334
01:43:02,640 --> 01:43:06,439
Speaker 4: he was a rotational guy too, and it's really hard

2335
01:43:06,479 --> 01:43:09,800
Speaker 4: to like shake that reputation around the league. Like a

2336
01:43:09,800 --> 01:43:12,439
Speaker 4: lot of times teams do go back to their college

2337
01:43:13,120 --> 01:43:15,680
Speaker 4: evaluation of players and they're like, this is what we

2338
01:43:15,680 --> 01:43:17,559
Speaker 4: thought of him coming out. It's sort of what he's

2339
01:43:17,600 --> 01:43:19,960
Speaker 4: been in the league. Like we don't we view him

2340
01:43:19,960 --> 01:43:22,679
Speaker 4: as a third down guy, and that's it.

2341
01:43:23,280 --> 01:43:27,000
Speaker 5: I'd be very surprised if he leaves because of a

2342
01:43:27,040 --> 01:43:31,120
Speaker 5: big money deal. Yeah, you know, I for all the

2343
01:43:31,160 --> 01:43:33,719
Speaker 5: reasons you guys just said. I think if he leaves,

2344
01:43:33,760 --> 01:43:36,719
Speaker 5: it's gonna because the Patriots clearly didn't really want him.

2345
01:43:36,560 --> 01:43:39,000
Speaker 6: And they just think they could get a third down

2346
01:43:39,040 --> 01:43:44,000
Speaker 6: pass rush outside guy who's got some traits.

2347
01:43:42,160 --> 01:43:45,840
Speaker 1: That uh email says, what happens when Thornton comes back?

2348
01:43:46,120 --> 01:43:48,479
Speaker 1: Does he help the Patriots pass game more because he's

2349
01:43:48,520 --> 01:43:50,320
Speaker 1: our deep threat hopefully?

2350
01:43:50,920 --> 01:43:53,720
Speaker 6: I mean that would be the optimistic against hope that yeah,

2351
01:43:53,760 --> 01:43:55,080
Speaker 6: he's gonna bring an elementary.

2352
01:43:54,800 --> 01:43:57,200
Speaker 4: I'm ready to get hurt again by Taekwon Thorton.

2353
01:43:57,479 --> 01:43:59,400
Speaker 5: You're gonna you're gonna put yourself on the game.

2354
01:43:59,439 --> 01:44:01,840
Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm going to be vulnerable, Paul, and I'm

2355
01:44:01,840 --> 01:44:04,360
Speaker 4: going to put myself out there again because I'm proud

2356
01:44:04,400 --> 01:44:07,200
Speaker 4: of you there. They don't have very many guys that

2357
01:44:07,240 --> 01:44:10,840
Speaker 4: can separate, like whatever way you want to call that,

2358
01:44:11,080 --> 01:44:14,640
Speaker 4: like you know, route running speed with Taekwon's.

2359
01:44:14,360 --> 01:44:16,479
Speaker 5: Jody's going to come back and like in the fifth game,

2360
01:44:16,520 --> 01:44:18,360
Speaker 5: he's going to get hurt again. He's going to be like,

2361
01:44:19,040 --> 01:44:22,759
Speaker 5: we are never ever ever getting back together.

2362
01:44:22,920 --> 01:44:25,560
Speaker 4: Oh I do it every time with him. I'm infatuated

2363
01:44:25,720 --> 01:44:28,200
Speaker 4: by the skill set and the player has just not

2364
01:44:29,120 --> 01:44:32,360
Speaker 4: consistently been able to put it together. But when you

2365
01:44:32,360 --> 01:44:34,639
Speaker 4: see those flashes, man, like even the catch he got

2366
01:44:34,680 --> 01:44:37,639
Speaker 4: hurt on and joint practices against the Packers, ran right

2367
01:44:37,640 --> 01:44:40,479
Speaker 4: by everybody, and you know he got hurt laying out

2368
01:44:40,520 --> 01:44:42,320
Speaker 4: for the pass and practice.

2369
01:44:43,320 --> 01:44:46,519
Speaker 1: Let's see. Phil writes in if Strange is out in city,

2370
01:44:46,640 --> 01:44:49,599
Speaker 1: so is healthy? Is he an option at left guard?

2371
01:44:49,640 --> 01:44:51,599
Speaker 1: And if so, does he look better than Mafi?

2372
01:44:51,960 --> 01:44:53,400
Speaker 6: I was thinking a little bit about that. I know,

2373
01:44:53,640 --> 01:44:55,639
Speaker 6: no so play. You know that was where he played

2374
01:44:55,720 --> 01:44:56,919
Speaker 6: last year in college.

2375
01:44:58,720 --> 01:44:59,080
Speaker 5: I don't know.

2376
01:44:59,120 --> 01:45:02,280
Speaker 6: It's a good question on him at tackle. And that's

2377
01:45:02,280 --> 01:45:03,800
Speaker 6: it because it kind of seemed like it although they

2378
01:45:03,840 --> 01:45:04,400
Speaker 6: give them.

2379
01:45:04,200 --> 01:45:05,320
Speaker 4: Did they give played guard?

2380
01:45:05,360 --> 01:45:07,960
Speaker 6: And we want we want right you got in there,

2381
01:45:08,040 --> 01:45:11,360
Speaker 6: so maybe maybe. I mean I would keep an eye

2382
01:45:11,400 --> 01:45:15,320
Speaker 6: on both Mafi and and him as you know, potential guys,

2383
01:45:15,400 --> 01:45:17,080
Speaker 6: especially with them when you was a free agent. I mean,

2384
01:45:17,160 --> 01:45:18,680
Speaker 6: is it crazy to think that next year those are

2385
01:45:18,720 --> 01:45:19,639
Speaker 6: your two starting guards?

2386
01:45:19,720 --> 01:45:23,080
Speaker 5: Nope, And I would applaud them for that if you

2387
01:45:23,479 --> 01:45:25,559
Speaker 5: as long as they can play, Yeah, I would, because

2388
01:45:25,760 --> 01:45:28,519
Speaker 5: that's what Mike. But that's what you do. You draft

2389
01:45:28,560 --> 01:45:31,880
Speaker 5: guys to replace the guys that you think you might lose. Yeah,

2390
01:45:31,920 --> 01:45:33,880
Speaker 5: that's what they used to do when they were really rolling.

2391
01:45:34,200 --> 01:45:35,080
Speaker 4: I would pay Big Mic.

2392
01:45:35,120 --> 01:45:37,000
Speaker 6: I think that's gonna be a fun off season debate

2393
01:45:37,040 --> 01:45:37,760
Speaker 6: about Big Mic.

2394
01:45:37,840 --> 01:45:40,639
Speaker 4: I mean, you have a like you have seventy five

2395
01:45:40,760 --> 01:45:43,479
Speaker 4: million dollars in cap space, Like where else are you

2396
01:45:43,520 --> 01:45:44,200
Speaker 4: going to spend it?

2397
01:45:44,439 --> 01:45:46,439
Speaker 6: Receive a kid? We gonna need to receive guy.

2398
01:45:46,560 --> 01:45:48,559
Speaker 4: So there's twenty million, like you know, like.

2399
01:45:48,520 --> 01:45:49,719
Speaker 6: We need more than one receiver.

2400
01:45:49,840 --> 01:45:50,640
Speaker 1: That's not gonna do it.

2401
01:45:50,720 --> 01:45:53,760
Speaker 4: Guys like how many, Like it's seventy five million to

2402
01:45:53,800 --> 01:45:56,280
Speaker 4: get to that number. And they spend to the cap.

2403
01:45:56,320 --> 01:45:57,840
Speaker 4: Like we can talk about the cash and all that,

2404
01:45:57,880 --> 01:46:00,639
Speaker 4: but like they spend to the cap every year mostly

2405
01:46:01,080 --> 01:46:04,200
Speaker 4: U mostly how else are you gonna get there, like

2406
01:46:04,240 --> 01:46:06,519
Speaker 4: without without paying some of these guys, right, you know,

2407
01:46:06,720 --> 01:46:09,559
Speaker 4: Like it's just you're gonna gonna be forty million under

2408
01:46:09,600 --> 01:46:11,439
Speaker 4: the cap, like I mean, but.

2409
01:46:11,360 --> 01:46:14,360
Speaker 1: You still have to bring back some people, probably.

2410
01:46:14,120 --> 01:46:19,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, Mike and Duggart, I think both. There's no reason

2411
01:46:19,520 --> 01:46:22,840
Speaker 4: from a cap standpoint, like, so there, those two guys

2412
01:46:22,840 --> 01:46:26,240
Speaker 4: are gonna cause probably ten million each at most.

2413
01:46:26,640 --> 01:46:28,759
Speaker 5: I would say, I think Dougger's gonna get some money.

2414
01:46:30,040 --> 01:46:33,040
Speaker 4: So you're there, you go. You spent You spent twenty

2415
01:46:33,080 --> 01:46:35,840
Speaker 4: percent of your your eighty million dollars in cap space

2416
01:46:35,880 --> 01:46:36,799
Speaker 4: on two on those two.

2417
01:46:36,640 --> 01:46:39,519
Speaker 1: Guys, Christian and North Carolina. Look what happens when the

2418
01:46:39,520 --> 01:46:43,120
Speaker 1: star player you paid has to show up in a

2419
01:46:43,160 --> 01:46:47,960
Speaker 1: moment when you need uh need him to. He's talking

2420
01:46:48,000 --> 01:46:51,080
Speaker 1: about Judon. Imagine if we had that on the offense,

2421
01:46:51,560 --> 01:46:54,320
Speaker 1: we might be able to convert crucial third downs and

2422
01:46:54,400 --> 01:46:56,880
Speaker 1: close out games or even better, come back and win.

2423
01:46:57,520 --> 01:46:59,639
Speaker 1: Feel bad for this defense. It's going to get old

2424
01:46:59,720 --> 01:47:01,760
Speaker 1: quick for them.

2425
01:47:01,800 --> 01:47:05,200
Speaker 6: Like, oh, like I got you tedious of having to yeah,

2426
01:47:05,720 --> 01:47:06,879
Speaker 6: hould the ford every game.

2427
01:47:06,720 --> 01:47:08,320
Speaker 4: When I was watching we were watching.

2428
01:47:08,080 --> 01:47:11,760
Speaker 1: The game, speaking of that, the Jets, they're ready to implode.

2429
01:47:11,680 --> 01:47:14,519
Speaker 6: This Patriots broken other dam right right?

2430
01:47:14,840 --> 01:47:17,280
Speaker 5: Good job.

2431
01:47:17,479 --> 01:47:19,960
Speaker 4: Is it weird to you guys that Aaron Rodgers is

2432
01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:22,519
Speaker 4: going on Pat McAfee and talking to grow up and

2433
01:47:22,560 --> 01:47:24,760
Speaker 4: talking about his own team, like.

2434
01:47:25,160 --> 01:47:27,360
Speaker 5: Very strange, right, It's like he's above.

2435
01:47:27,080 --> 01:47:29,840
Speaker 4: It, but he's under contract, like he's still a Joe

2436
01:47:30,080 --> 01:47:30,639
Speaker 4: and he's.

2437
01:47:30,479 --> 01:47:32,599
Speaker 5: Going on he's going to be the quarterback next year.

2438
01:47:32,720 --> 01:47:33,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's very odd.

2439
01:47:34,800 --> 01:47:40,720
Speaker 1: It's weird. Let's see Rob in San Diego via Connecticut.

2440
01:47:41,200 --> 01:47:43,800
Speaker 1: This might be a summation of the ongoing live discussion

2441
01:47:43,840 --> 01:47:46,960
Speaker 1: regarding Gonzo in wide receiver draft picks. I think that

2442
01:47:47,040 --> 01:47:49,360
Speaker 1: people are trying to say defense is just not as

2443
01:47:49,360 --> 01:47:52,920
Speaker 1: important in twenty thirty twenty twenty three do many factors,

2444
01:47:53,000 --> 01:47:56,520
Speaker 1: ranging from offensive schemes to change in rules. The outdated

2445
01:47:56,560 --> 01:48:01,160
Speaker 1: perspective of Bill is how he chooses to allocate resources.

2446
01:48:01,439 --> 01:48:04,280
Speaker 1: He isn't doing anything different in twenty twenty three than

2447
01:48:04,320 --> 01:48:06,799
Speaker 1: he did in twenty sixteen, two thousand and eight or prior.

2448
01:48:07,200 --> 01:48:10,439
Speaker 1: That's the problem. He no longer has the goat, and

2449
01:48:10,479 --> 01:48:13,360
Speaker 1: the league has changed. Put a statue on the may

2450
01:48:13,600 --> 01:48:16,280
Speaker 1: on the man outside Jolette the day he leaves. But

2451
01:48:16,360 --> 01:48:18,840
Speaker 1: I think we are watching the career arc of many

2452
01:48:18,920 --> 01:48:24,879
Speaker 1: excellent pass coaches who ended with a series of mediocre seasons.

2453
01:48:25,000 --> 01:48:26,599
Speaker 4: Common common take.

2454
01:48:26,520 --> 01:48:31,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, when's the last Well, I guess Bill Walsh he

2455
01:48:31,400 --> 01:48:34,040
Speaker 1: went out on top, right, Yeah, he went out on top.

2456
01:48:34,080 --> 01:48:36,519
Speaker 1: But coaches don't never normally like win it and say

2457
01:48:36,800 --> 01:48:37,720
Speaker 1: I'm done.

2458
01:48:38,200 --> 01:48:40,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, markin Levy, that was John Madden did.

2459
01:48:41,120 --> 01:48:42,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think he did.

2460
01:48:42,720 --> 01:48:45,080
Speaker 5: He but he was early, right, I mean yeah, yeah,

2461
01:48:45,240 --> 01:48:47,800
Speaker 5: he has like the best winning percentage of all time,

2462
01:48:47,880 --> 01:48:51,840
Speaker 5: I believe still. Yeah, but that's percentages partly because that's

2463
01:48:51,840 --> 01:48:53,040
Speaker 5: why I just said best winning.

2464
01:48:52,880 --> 01:48:55,240
Speaker 1: Percent I think like when you're a coach, that's what

2465
01:48:55,280 --> 01:48:58,280
Speaker 1: you are. Like, you can't imagine yourself doing anything else.

2466
01:48:58,479 --> 01:49:01,320
Speaker 8: Yeah, if you're still coaching at that age, like what else,

2467
01:49:01,439 --> 01:49:03,679
Speaker 8: you'd probably die like a minute after you retire.

2468
01:49:03,720 --> 01:49:04,160
Speaker 3: Anyways.

2469
01:49:04,280 --> 01:49:08,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, like the Chuck Knowles, Tom Landry's, those types. They

2470
01:49:08,640 --> 01:49:13,360
Speaker 5: had greatness, they slowly deteriorated once the quarterback, and then

2471
01:49:13,400 --> 01:49:16,280
Speaker 5: they had like four or five mediocre to bad seasons

2472
01:49:17,000 --> 01:49:18,639
Speaker 5: right the same way.

2473
01:49:18,720 --> 01:49:20,560
Speaker 6: It's funny my grand you know, my grandfather coached a

2474
01:49:20,640 --> 01:49:23,240
Speaker 6: Tuss coach track until he died. He was like I

2475
01:49:23,280 --> 01:49:25,439
Speaker 6: think seventy one and.

2476
01:49:25,360 --> 01:49:28,280
Speaker 5: Then when Bill Rogers was no longer winning marathons, but

2477
01:49:28,400 --> 01:49:30,280
Speaker 5: he never wanted to keep it going, couldn't win it

2478
01:49:30,320 --> 01:49:30,920
Speaker 5: without But.

2479
01:49:30,880 --> 01:49:32,600
Speaker 6: It was I remember my dad saying he continued to

2480
01:49:32,600 --> 01:49:34,360
Speaker 6: win till the end. But but I remember my dad

2481
01:49:34,400 --> 01:49:36,680
Speaker 6: telling me that, like, you just don't get these kids there.

2482
01:49:36,720 --> 01:49:38,360
Speaker 6: You know, it's like in the seventies, like their long

2483
01:49:38,400 --> 01:49:39,599
Speaker 6: hair hippies.

2484
01:49:39,840 --> 01:49:42,520
Speaker 4: He'd get all fired up, like he just couldn't hippies, couldn't.

2485
01:49:42,200 --> 01:49:43,519
Speaker 6: Connect with the players anymore.

2486
01:49:43,600 --> 01:49:47,480
Speaker 1: Right, Uh, Claire, hello everywhere.

2487
01:49:48,479 --> 01:49:50,880
Speaker 5: I had a wonderful time podcast last week.

2488
01:49:50,920 --> 01:49:51,639
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I.

2489
01:49:51,600 --> 01:49:53,040
Speaker 4: Did, fabru Brown.

2490
01:49:54,720 --> 01:49:55,479
Speaker 15: I read Brown.

2491
01:49:56,479 --> 01:49:59,920
Speaker 1: Perhaps, she says, just perhaps the Jets are sticky with

2492
01:50:00,040 --> 01:50:03,360
Speaker 1: Wilson to fail enough to drop the top quarterback next year,

2493
01:50:03,600 --> 01:50:06,320
Speaker 1: to put behind Rogers for one year in twenty twenty

2494
01:50:06,400 --> 01:50:09,200
Speaker 1: four and then take over the year after. Just the thought.

2495
01:50:09,479 --> 01:50:11,639
Speaker 5: Quietly, so it wouldn't be the dumbest thing now.

2496
01:50:11,560 --> 01:50:16,000
Speaker 1: No, I mean, so Sala and Douglas now have their

2497
01:50:16,439 --> 01:50:20,080
Speaker 1: way of taking without taking, they sticking with a quarterback.

2498
01:50:20,400 --> 01:50:23,000
Speaker 5: Well, and plus it's not going to be in different

2499
01:50:23,000 --> 01:50:26,200
Speaker 5: with Trevor Simeon. But right, if you go to Woody

2500
01:50:26,280 --> 01:50:30,320
Speaker 5: Johnson and say, listen, wis screwed. Like you can't get

2501
01:50:30,360 --> 01:50:32,800
Speaker 5: anybody in. We can't get anybody in right now, right

2502
01:50:33,600 --> 01:50:35,800
Speaker 5: So we're gonna win three or four games. We're not

2503
01:50:35,840 --> 01:50:38,479
Speaker 5: going to do much better than that, but it's going

2504
01:50:38,560 --> 01:50:42,760
Speaker 5: to put us in a position to get Caleble somebody, somebody,

2505
01:50:43,280 --> 01:50:45,639
Speaker 5: and we'll have Aaron Rodgers next year. So we're gonna

2506
01:50:45,640 --> 01:50:49,960
Speaker 5: win immediately. Because if you can keep that team reasonably intact,

2507
01:50:50,040 --> 01:50:50,600
Speaker 5: you're gonna win that.

2508
01:50:50,680 --> 01:50:52,840
Speaker 6: And you've got a quarterback for ten years. I mean,

2509
01:50:52,880 --> 01:50:55,120
Speaker 6: I lose along the way. I think this mac thing

2510
01:50:55,120 --> 01:50:58,240
Speaker 6: has changed my philosophy a little bit. Like I just like,

2511
01:50:58,360 --> 01:51:00,439
Speaker 6: to me, it's like it's kind of a no brainer

2512
01:51:00,520 --> 01:51:02,760
Speaker 6: to just do that. Maybe that's because I feel kind

2513
01:51:02,800 --> 01:51:04,679
Speaker 6: of like the Patriots have burned too with the last

2514
01:51:04,720 --> 01:51:08,680
Speaker 6: three seasons for just s's and giggles, you know. But

2515
01:51:08,840 --> 01:51:10,920
Speaker 6: like if you get Caleb Williams, like you know what

2516
01:51:11,000 --> 01:51:13,400
Speaker 6: I mean, you have a guy that you can I

2517
01:51:13,520 --> 01:51:14,920
Speaker 6: just play with and win.

2518
01:51:15,360 --> 01:51:19,560
Speaker 4: Caleb Williams is a special prospect. Some people are like

2519
01:51:19,560 --> 01:51:21,200
Speaker 4: putting him in the Hall of Fame already, and I'm not,

2520
01:51:21,360 --> 01:51:24,400
Speaker 4: like I don't know about that, but he's a special prospect.

2521
01:51:24,439 --> 01:51:27,400
Speaker 4: But like but like, end of the day, is it

2522
01:51:28,040 --> 01:51:30,960
Speaker 4: unless you've improved the supporting cast, Like how much better

2523
01:51:31,080 --> 01:51:36,120
Speaker 4: is it truly going to be? Unless he's like generationally good, right, like.

2524
01:51:36,280 --> 01:51:38,840
Speaker 6: For the Patriots? Yeah, yeah, yeah, like.

2525
01:51:38,920 --> 01:51:41,760
Speaker 4: You know, and I still that's why I still go

2526
01:51:42,400 --> 01:51:46,040
Speaker 4: and say that supporting Mac is the best path forward

2527
01:51:46,080 --> 01:51:50,800
Speaker 4: for the Patriots, like building around him and making him

2528
01:51:50,880 --> 01:51:52,920
Speaker 4: you know, like he likes to say, he likes to say,

2529
01:51:53,000 --> 01:51:54,640
Speaker 4: I want to be a point guard, Like I just

2530
01:51:54,720 --> 01:51:57,280
Speaker 4: want to distribute the ball to the open guy, Like

2531
01:51:57,360 --> 01:51:59,320
Speaker 4: I don't want to you know, have to do five

2532
01:51:59,400 --> 01:52:03,080
Speaker 4: hundred yards, right, And if that, to me, is still

2533
01:52:03,120 --> 01:52:05,640
Speaker 4: the better route for this team. But like if you're

2534
01:52:05,720 --> 01:52:07,800
Speaker 4: the team, like the Jets that are gonna lose anyways, then.

2535
01:52:07,720 --> 01:52:08,920
Speaker 6: That's what I mean. It's like and you know, and

2536
01:52:08,920 --> 01:52:10,719
Speaker 6: what are they gonna what are they gonna pick seventh?

2537
01:52:10,840 --> 01:52:13,519
Speaker 6: You know, like they're gonna like the Patriots, No, the Jets,

2538
01:52:13,520 --> 01:52:14,639
Speaker 6: you know, like like they.

2539
01:52:14,560 --> 01:52:16,680
Speaker 5: Would have they would have to like really bottom up,

2540
01:52:16,680 --> 01:52:18,639
Speaker 5: like last year they won seven games with that.

2541
01:52:18,800 --> 01:52:21,200
Speaker 6: Just go for it, you know, like what's the difference.

2542
01:52:23,040 --> 01:52:24,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, he won five, He went five and four, though

2543
01:52:24,800 --> 01:52:27,160
Speaker 5: Mike White won one game, Okay, something. I thought it

2544
01:52:27,240 --> 01:52:30,880
Speaker 5: was Flacco one. Uh, Flacco won at least one, maybe two.

2545
01:52:31,040 --> 01:52:32,519
Speaker 6: But if you're just so sick of that the Jets,

2546
01:52:32,520 --> 01:52:34,800
Speaker 6: you've been doing this forever, like you have a chance

2547
01:52:34,840 --> 01:52:36,600
Speaker 6: to maybe like, yeah, you kind of screw it up

2548
01:52:36,600 --> 01:52:38,720
Speaker 6: this year, but then you could be set for the

2549
01:52:38,720 --> 01:52:40,400
Speaker 6: next few. You got everything else in place.

2550
01:52:40,640 --> 01:52:42,880
Speaker 5: I think Mike White went one in three, Flacco went

2551
01:52:42,920 --> 01:52:49,599
Speaker 5: one in three, and then yeah, see if my py charts,

2552
01:52:49,600 --> 01:52:51,639
Speaker 5: that didn't add up to one hundred year, so I stopped.

2553
01:52:52,479 --> 01:52:55,400
Speaker 4: You have to like it has to be Calla Williams. Yeah, yeah,

2554
01:52:55,439 --> 01:52:57,840
Speaker 4: because like all these other quarterbacks are just like they're

2555
01:52:57,880 --> 01:53:00,280
Speaker 4: they're good prospects, don't get their first round guy, but

2556
01:53:00,360 --> 01:53:03,080
Speaker 4: like them like Zach Wilson was the first round guy

2557
01:53:03,080 --> 01:53:04,599
Speaker 4: that like you know what I mean, Like it just

2558
01:53:05,240 --> 01:53:07,599
Speaker 4: the cale Williams is the only one that's like generally

2559
01:53:07,760 --> 01:53:09,320
Speaker 4: racial prospect level.

2560
01:53:09,160 --> 01:53:11,400
Speaker 6: Once you get past third overall, there's some kind of

2561
01:53:11,479 --> 01:53:14,080
Speaker 6: projection involved, you know, and there's certainly talented guys there,

2562
01:53:14,080 --> 01:53:16,799
Speaker 6: but I would say, like the hit rate just rapidly drops,

2563
01:53:16,800 --> 01:53:19,280
Speaker 6: and you know, unless you just happen to stink beyond

2564
01:53:19,320 --> 01:53:21,160
Speaker 6: all belief. The one year that one of these guys

2565
01:53:21,240 --> 01:53:21,920
Speaker 6: is coming out.

2566
01:53:22,240 --> 01:53:24,960
Speaker 5: And that's the hard thing is identifying the guy. Like

2567
01:53:25,080 --> 01:53:27,000
Speaker 5: I did a little of this because I'm going in

2568
01:53:27,040 --> 01:53:29,639
Speaker 5: to talk to my boys on my show, and one

2569
01:53:29,640 --> 01:53:32,160
Speaker 5: of my boys big thing is, now, why would you

2570
01:53:32,240 --> 01:53:33,960
Speaker 5: have to do that? Why would you all these guys

2571
01:53:33,960 --> 01:53:35,679
Speaker 5: they all stink, They all stink. Why are you gonna

2572
01:53:35,800 --> 01:53:37,160
Speaker 5: You're gonna trade up in the top ten? You can

2573
01:53:37,160 --> 01:53:40,000
Speaker 5: take a guy who stinks like okay, because that would

2574
01:53:40,000 --> 01:53:43,120
Speaker 5: be because because this is why, Michael, because Michael me

2575
01:53:43,720 --> 01:53:48,200
Speaker 5: a very like, very rudimentary listing of quarterbacks, Okay, practicing,

2576
01:53:48,720 --> 01:53:51,320
Speaker 5: just just gonna give you, and this is not necessarily

2577
01:53:51,360 --> 01:53:55,439
Speaker 5: anyone but Patrick was, Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow,

2578
01:53:55,600 --> 01:53:59,080
Speaker 5: Justin Herbert Lamar Jackson, Aaron Rodgers, Jalen Hurts to A

2579
01:53:59,520 --> 01:54:03,439
Speaker 5: Dak pre Scott Russell, Wilson, Deshaun Watson, Matthew Stafford, Jerry Goff,

2580
01:54:03,640 --> 01:54:07,960
Speaker 5: Trevor Lawrence. Okay, did I miss some? I mean, I

2581
01:54:08,040 --> 01:54:11,200
Speaker 5: know I've read really fast, but I'm not telling you

2582
01:54:11,280 --> 01:54:14,880
Speaker 5: this is the top fifteen. I'm not top at the order,

2583
01:54:15,360 --> 01:54:17,639
Speaker 5: but that's about what the best quarterbacks are right now

2584
01:54:17,640 --> 01:54:21,639
Speaker 5: in football, right Okay, Out of that group, they're all

2585
01:54:21,640 --> 01:54:24,840
Speaker 5: first round picks except for Jalen Hurts, Dak Prescott, and

2586
01:54:24,880 --> 01:54:28,160
Speaker 5: Russell Wilson. I included Russell Wilson based on his career,

2587
01:54:28,200 --> 01:54:30,240
Speaker 5: not what he is right now, right, Okay, But I

2588
01:54:30,280 --> 01:54:33,360
Speaker 5: recognize that throughout his career he was a top ten quarterback,

2589
01:54:33,600 --> 01:54:36,480
Speaker 5: so I'm going to include him out of the interest

2590
01:54:36,480 --> 01:54:39,480
Speaker 5: of fairness. He was a third round pick, Dak fourth round,

2591
01:54:39,560 --> 01:54:42,080
Speaker 5: Jalen Hurts second round. All the rest of those guys

2592
01:54:42,080 --> 01:54:45,560
Speaker 5: are first round picks. So I know that there's a

2593
01:54:45,600 --> 01:54:49,680
Speaker 5: million busts. I know that Zach Wilson shouldn't be in

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01:54:49,680 --> 01:54:52,120
Speaker 5: the league, right. I know that I know Justin Fields

2595
01:54:52,200 --> 01:54:56,440
Speaker 5: is a disaster, right Lance, Trey Lance is hurt. But

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01:54:56,560 --> 01:54:58,440
Speaker 5: if you want to get one of these guys, you

2597
01:54:58,560 --> 01:54:59,960
Speaker 5: have to pick him in the first round. If you

2598
01:55:00,080 --> 01:55:01,880
Speaker 5: want a guy, you just have got to hope you

2599
01:55:01,880 --> 01:55:06,360
Speaker 5: get it right. It's not easy. Like Felger is Adam Rosen,

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01:55:06,640 --> 01:55:12,240
Speaker 5: He's Adaman's Josh Josh Sam good broadcaster, Josh bad quarterback.

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01:55:13,840 --> 01:55:16,720
Speaker 1: Uh sweet kid says which running back gives you the

2602
01:55:16,720 --> 01:55:17,920
Speaker 1: best chance to win this game?

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01:55:18,000 --> 01:55:21,560
Speaker 6: Zeke or Madre I Zeke based on what last week,

2604
01:55:21,560 --> 01:55:22,800
Speaker 6: then he's got some motivation.

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01:55:22,960 --> 01:55:26,880
Speaker 1: If it's not more, we got bigger problems because he's

2606
01:55:26,920 --> 01:55:28,440
Speaker 1: he should be your best running back.

2607
01:55:28,480 --> 01:55:29,880
Speaker 5: But what if? What if Elliott's better?

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01:55:29,920 --> 01:55:30,240
Speaker 1: Who do you?

2609
01:55:30,360 --> 01:55:30,440
Speaker 5: Are?

2610
01:55:30,440 --> 01:55:32,480
Speaker 1: You not better? Right now?

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01:55:33,640 --> 01:55:35,800
Speaker 5: I agree with you, but I don't really like I

2612
01:55:35,840 --> 01:55:37,440
Speaker 5: think they're doing it. What difference does that make if

2613
01:55:37,440 --> 01:55:38,800
Speaker 5: one guy is good and the other guy is not?

2614
01:55:38,840 --> 01:55:39,360
Speaker 5: Who cares?

2615
01:55:39,480 --> 01:55:41,480
Speaker 4: I think that this game is definitely If.

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01:55:41,320 --> 01:55:43,960
Speaker 1: Our best running back right now is Zeke Elliott, we

2617
01:55:44,040 --> 01:55:46,040
Speaker 1: got problems, okay.

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01:55:46,080 --> 01:55:46,920
Speaker 6: And I think we can.

2619
01:55:52,160 --> 01:55:56,360
Speaker 4: Forever Zeke's guy. If Zeke's decisiveness that he showed in

2620
01:55:56,400 --> 01:55:59,800
Speaker 4: the game against Jets is what he's gonna be, then

2621
01:56:00,160 --> 01:56:03,040
Speaker 4: the way that the Cardinals ran on the Cowboys, I

2622
01:56:03,080 --> 01:56:05,520
Speaker 4: would didn't seek. I think is probably your best bet.

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01:56:05,680 --> 01:56:07,160
Speaker 6: They're doing a thing for him too. I think they're

2624
01:56:07,160 --> 01:56:08,080
Speaker 6: a little little honored.

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01:56:08,080 --> 01:56:10,360
Speaker 4: I do think he will be motivated. Yeah, for sure.

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01:56:10,840 --> 01:56:11,120
Speaker 3: Uh.

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01:56:12,920 --> 01:56:16,080
Speaker 1: James Pettigrew, the most interesting Papers fans in the world, says,

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01:56:16,120 --> 01:56:18,560
Speaker 1: I'm with Evan and Mike. I think I feel like

2629
01:56:18,600 --> 01:56:21,560
Speaker 1: there might be some bones of this team. Whilst our

2630
01:56:21,640 --> 01:56:24,520
Speaker 1: offense sucks, I feel like our defense makes us a

2631
01:56:24,560 --> 01:56:26,160
Speaker 1: difficult out. Yeah.

2632
01:56:26,200 --> 01:56:28,720
Speaker 5: Oh, I would. I would largely agree with that. I

2633
01:56:28,720 --> 01:56:31,520
Speaker 5: don't think agrees with me and Mike, but I don't

2634
01:56:31,520 --> 01:56:35,720
Speaker 5: think they're an easy team to play. I just want

2635
01:56:35,760 --> 01:56:37,440
Speaker 5: I just want them to surprise me. I haven't been

2636
01:56:37,480 --> 01:56:39,360
Speaker 5: surprised in so long. I haven't seen you know what

2637
01:56:39,440 --> 01:56:39,720
Speaker 5: I mean?

2638
01:56:40,040 --> 01:56:41,960
Speaker 6: Like every game, I feel like I'm like, yep, that's

2639
01:56:42,000 --> 01:56:42,960
Speaker 6: about right, you know, Like.

2640
01:56:42,880 --> 01:56:45,280
Speaker 5: I don't know, Glee on your face is just priceless.

2641
01:56:45,320 --> 01:56:47,240
Speaker 6: I'm not Glee. It's not Glee, No, it's I just

2642
01:56:47,280 --> 01:56:48,440
Speaker 6: want to be the desires.

2643
01:56:48,760 --> 01:56:50,920
Speaker 5: I want to wake up on Christmas morning and get everything.

2644
01:56:50,920 --> 01:56:52,840
Speaker 6: I want to want that BB gun and I don't

2645
01:56:52,840 --> 01:56:54,280
Speaker 6: want Dad to hide it in the corner. I want

2646
01:56:54,280 --> 01:56:56,000
Speaker 6: to when I unwrap my presence. And I don't have

2647
01:56:56,000 --> 01:56:57,240
Speaker 6: any surprises.

2648
01:56:56,920 --> 01:56:59,080
Speaker 1: Kyle with Pembroke, I know Gilmour is a stud of

2649
01:56:59,080 --> 01:57:02,520
Speaker 1: a quarterback. However, I noticed he's been vulnerable against quicker

2650
01:57:02,600 --> 01:57:05,120
Speaker 1: ride receivers as he's gotten older. Do you think we

2651
01:57:05,160 --> 01:57:07,720
Speaker 1: could use Pop Douglas as a mismatch.

2652
01:57:07,960 --> 01:57:09,560
Speaker 5: Should have pressed him. I don't think he's going to

2653
01:57:09,600 --> 01:57:12,040
Speaker 5: be covering to Mario Doug Gilmore.

2654
01:57:12,160 --> 01:57:16,080
Speaker 4: Gilmore is a definitely still a starting caliber corner, but

2655
01:57:16,160 --> 01:57:19,520
Speaker 4: he's he has lost a step. I will agree with that.

2656
01:57:20,120 --> 01:57:20,640
Speaker 4: I don't know.

2657
01:57:20,680 --> 01:57:22,120
Speaker 5: He's not going to put him on a little slot

2658
01:57:22,160 --> 01:57:24,920
Speaker 5: guy that's never been his game the height of his power.

2659
01:57:25,440 --> 01:57:27,640
Speaker 6: Say that about me. I'm the best cornerback in the game.

2660
01:57:27,720 --> 01:57:30,120
Speaker 4: Still, I think he's still really good.

2661
01:57:30,440 --> 01:57:32,760
Speaker 5: Christian can quiet chiming from the other side.

2662
01:57:32,760 --> 01:57:34,080
Speaker 4: I remember watching him every day.

2663
01:57:34,440 --> 01:57:36,320
Speaker 6: Who's more quiet? Who's going to say more in the game?

2664
01:57:36,400 --> 01:57:38,160
Speaker 5: Is that over under can get an over under? That

2665
01:57:38,200 --> 01:57:41,760
Speaker 5: one should off, should them up them up?

2666
01:57:42,160 --> 01:57:45,160
Speaker 4: I would actually think that, like in all seriousness fascinating.

2667
01:57:45,240 --> 01:57:47,840
Speaker 4: They would never let us make up Christian Gonzales because

2668
01:57:47,840 --> 01:57:51,320
Speaker 4: he's a rookie, but like micing up Christian Gonzalez just

2669
01:57:51,360 --> 01:57:54,320
Speaker 4: to hear the silence like might actually be pretty cool.

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01:57:54,440 --> 01:57:56,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I think it'd be great if you

2671
01:57:56,240 --> 01:57:58,760
Speaker 5: if you miked him up and then it was like your.

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01:57:58,600 --> 01:58:05,960
Speaker 3: Mother, it turns out, but just like just like.

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01:58:06,200 --> 01:58:10,760
Speaker 1: You have you feature him miked up and you have

2674
01:58:10,840 --> 01:58:13,520
Speaker 1: the song, the sound of silence in the background.

2675
01:58:13,440 --> 01:58:16,520
Speaker 4: Just like the I just need the sound of his feet,

2676
01:58:16,680 --> 01:58:19,720
Speaker 4: you know, like like just like and just him would

2677
01:58:19,760 --> 01:58:19,960
Speaker 4: be like.

2678
01:58:19,960 --> 01:58:28,600
Speaker 20: A drums would like great, all right, that's gonna be

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01:58:28,600 --> 01:58:31,080
Speaker 20: it for this edition of Patriots Unfiltered.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back tomorrow with picks and everything else.

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Speaker 5: Two words market correction.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we'll put the hay in the barn tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Right now, it's John Rook in the playbook that's coming

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Speaker 1: up next. We'll see you tomorrow. Oh final, Bob's read

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