WEBVTT - Rerun: Eureka! Archimedes!

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to tech Stuff, a production of I Heart Radios

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<v Speaker 1>research and writing of new episodes. So today we're actually

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<v Speaker 1>going to listen to a tech Stuff classic episode. This

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<v Speaker 1>classic episode is a true oldie but goody originally published

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<v Speaker 1>back on June two thousand eleven. It features my original

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<v Speaker 1>co host, Chris Palette, the voice of tech Stuff back

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<v Speaker 1>in those days. And the episode is titled Eureka ar Comedes.

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<v Speaker 1>And so this episode is all about the wonderful philosopher

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<v Speaker 1>inventor Archimedes and what he did and maybe didn't do.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's listen in we are going to concentrate on a genius,

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<v Speaker 1>mathematical genius and inventor, one of the one of the greats. Really, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we are. And in the past we have talked about

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<v Speaker 1>many fascinating people in tech. Uh, most of whom lived

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<v Speaker 1>in the twenty and twenty one centuries. Today, we're going

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<v Speaker 1>back a bit farther, Yeah, to the point of of

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<v Speaker 1>two seven BC would be the the year that this

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<v Speaker 1>fellow was born. And we are talking about Archimedes, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>the developer of the t R S A D. I'm kidding.

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<v Speaker 1>He's definitely a precursor to that. Um. Yes, we're not

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<v Speaker 1>talking Texas instruments, we're talking Greek ones. So Archimedes was

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<v Speaker 1>a mathematician, he was an astronomer, he was an engineer

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<v Speaker 1>and inventor. Very clever fellow. I guess that would probably

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<v Speaker 1>be an understatement. Oh yes, one of the fathers of calculus,

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<v Speaker 1>not not the calculus that we used today, but precursor again. Uh, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we've talked about it a lot in in the past

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<v Speaker 1>two We've talked about the principle of simultaneous discovery, where

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<v Speaker 1>people more than one person comes up with the same idea.

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<v Speaker 1>We've also talked about how people to have discoveries build

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<v Speaker 1>on other people's work. And Archimedes was definitely a founder

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<v Speaker 1>of many many of our technologies. Yeah, you would call

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<v Speaker 1>him the father of integral calculus, not not the same

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<v Speaker 1>thing as new calculus um, which is of course much

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<v Speaker 1>later on. So and and Chris has already made mention

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<v Speaker 1>of one of the famous quotes attributed to Archimedes, which is,

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<v Speaker 1>give me a place to stand, and I will move

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<v Speaker 1>the earth. And it sounds like something that a megalomaniacal

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<v Speaker 1>supervillain would say, But in this case, Archimedes is talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the discoveries he made and what we would call

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<v Speaker 1>basic mechanical structures now, things like pulleys and levers. In

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<v Speaker 1>that case, we're talking specifically about leavers. But Archimedes really

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<v Speaker 1>was interested in the relationship of pulleys leavers and how

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<v Speaker 1>they could be used to do work, and he spent

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<v Speaker 1>quite a bit of time perfecting that, so much so

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<v Speaker 1>that there are certain inventions that are are associated with

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<v Speaker 1>him that are related in some form to simple machines,

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<v Speaker 1>although not all of those inventions are necessarily straight from

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<v Speaker 1>uh from archimedes brain. But we're gonna talk a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit about some of the things that he did do,

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<v Speaker 1>and then some of the things that are attributed to

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<v Speaker 1>him that perhaps he did not do or perhaps just

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<v Speaker 1>didn't work. There's one in Petaler. That's pretty famous due

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<v Speaker 1>to a MythBusters episode that we'll get to. It's one

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<v Speaker 1>of my favorites actually. Now Archimedes Archimedes, his dad was

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<v Speaker 1>an astronomer, so he was growing up and he was

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<v Speaker 1>exposed to the sciences. Um, he was probably taught by

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<v Speaker 1>followers of you lid and uh he was. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>what we know of him is mostly from stuff that

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<v Speaker 1>was written well after his death, and because of that

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<v Speaker 1>we can't be completely certain about the details of his life.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, there's still some confusion about exactly when he died.

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<v Speaker 1>It was sometime around two dred twelve or two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>eleven b C. He was born in two eight seven

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<v Speaker 1>b C. Remember we count backwards right, probably confused the

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<v Speaker 1>heck out of them at the time. What are we

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<v Speaker 1>coming down to? So yeah, so, so he died around

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<v Speaker 1>two twelve to eleven b C. And you might ask, well,

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<v Speaker 1>how did Archimedes die? How did Archimedes die? Violently? Unfortunately

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<v Speaker 1>it was during a sacking of Syracuse, which is that

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<v Speaker 1>was archimedes home. He lived in Syracuse in Sicily and

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<v Speaker 1>at the time was an independent Greek city state before

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<v Speaker 1>it was you know, physically uprooted and moved to New York. Yes, no, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>not exactly what happened. Um Now, now the original original

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<v Speaker 1>Syracuse so so in the Romans were in a war

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<v Speaker 1>with It was a Roman Carthin Carthaginian war. Says, Carthage

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<v Speaker 1>and Rome are in a war with each other. In

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<v Speaker 1>Syracuse got pulled into the middle of that, despite attempts

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of, sort of not do that, but various

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<v Speaker 1>rulers of Syracuse ended up siding with either Rome or

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<v Speaker 1>Carthage during the the the whole conflict, and at one

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<v Speaker 1>point in the war, Rome besieged Syracuse and during the attack,

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<v Speaker 1>a Roman soldier came upon Archimedes, and although there were

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<v Speaker 1>specific orders to spare the life of Archimedes, the Roman

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<v Speaker 1>soldier killed him, apparently not knowing the identity of the

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<v Speaker 1>man he put to the sword. So Archimedes was. He

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<v Speaker 1>was valued by both sides. He was recognized as a genius,

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<v Speaker 1>and neither side wanted this genius to be destroyed. But

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<v Speaker 1>as an unfortunate side effect of war, sometimes accidents happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Now why was why did people consider him a genius? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>one was that he was making incredible contributions to mathematics.

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<v Speaker 1>He had found really interesting relationships between things like the

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<v Speaker 1>volume of the sphere and the surface area of cylinders,

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<v Speaker 1>and found out interesting ways to to kind of explain

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<v Speaker 1>those relationships, including a very close approximation of pie. Um pie.

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<v Speaker 1>We've lost him, haven't had breakfast yet. Um. So he

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<v Speaker 1>was definitely valued for his intelligence, but beyond that, he

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<v Speaker 1>also was this great inventor. In fact, during the war,

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<v Speaker 1>during the siege on Syracuse, he came up with an

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<v Speaker 1>invention known as the iron hand that played a big

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<v Speaker 1>part in the defense of the city. Did you come

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<v Speaker 1>across the iron hand? Actually, I did not come across

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<v Speaker 1>the iron hand. This is different from the iron fist. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess the one is used for defense. The other

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<v Speaker 1>one you rule with that. It was also sometimes called

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<v Speaker 1>our media's claw. Um. It's a it's a brilliant, brilliant

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<v Speaker 1>defense mechanism for that time. It would not work today.

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<v Speaker 1>But here's what here's what it was. So Syracuse was

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<v Speaker 1>um right up against the ocean, like essentially there was

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a slight cliff, and then you had a

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<v Speaker 1>city wall that that was I think twenty seven kilometers

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<v Speaker 1>long back when it stood. It doesn't stand anymore. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>but it you know, then you it was essentially right

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<v Speaker 1>up against the ocean. So one of the possible avenues

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<v Speaker 1>of attack was an attack by sea, which is what

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<v Speaker 1>one of the venues that Rome was interested in. So uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the leader of Syracuse came to our communes and said,

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<v Speaker 1>I need a way to protect us while from these

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<v Speaker 1>attacks from the from the ocean. So what our communees

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<v Speaker 1>came up with was an enormous lever that you would

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<v Speaker 1>mount on the sides of the city walls. Are actually

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<v Speaker 1>on the top of the city walls. So you have

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<v Speaker 1>this huge lever that that extends out over the ocean. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>from the end of the lever, you have a rope

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<v Speaker 1>that drops down and on the end of the rope

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<v Speaker 1>is a grappling hook. Now on the other end, the

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<v Speaker 1>short end of the lever, you put huge lead weights

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<v Speaker 1>and you first put them near the pivot point so

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<v Speaker 1>that the weight of the long part of the lever

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<v Speaker 1>keeps it level. All right. What you try to do

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<v Speaker 1>is you try and catch the bow of a ship,

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<v Speaker 1>a Roman ship with that grappling hook. Once you do,

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<v Speaker 1>you slide those weights back from the the the fulcrum

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<v Speaker 1>there to the very end of the short arm of

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<v Speaker 1>the lever. Now that weight is enough to push that

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<v Speaker 1>end of the lever down, meaning the long arm of

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<v Speaker 1>the lever goes up. That's the arm that, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>is attached to the rope and the grappling hook. So

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<v Speaker 1>you literally pull the end of the Roman ship out

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<v Speaker 1>of the water. You then use the lever to shake

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<v Speaker 1>the Roman ship and eventually the grappling hook breaks off

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<v Speaker 1>of it, making the Roman ship fall again, either smashing

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<v Speaker 1>against the water or the rocks on the base of

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<v Speaker 1>the cliffs. That's brilliant, but extremely complicated. It seems like

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<v Speaker 1>trying to to build the leaver. Yeah, however, was incredibly effective. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's so effective that Rome abandoned their sea based attacks.

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<v Speaker 1>They instead of instead of attacking Syracuse by see, what

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<v Speaker 1>they did was they set up a blockade further out

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<v Speaker 1>in the ocean where they're not going to get hit

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<v Speaker 1>by a grappling hook from the shore, and then they

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<v Speaker 1>ended up attacking by land and eventually sacked Syracuse. So

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<v Speaker 1>while the victory was a a a good one, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean it was, it was definitely a lauded victory, but

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<v Speaker 1>it was short lived because all they did was they

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<v Speaker 1>changed tactics, and unfortunately the the iron hand was not

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<v Speaker 1>as good at defending against land based attacks good at all. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>there were other theoretical weapons that some people say actually

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<v Speaker 1>were built and used against the Romans during this very

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<v Speaker 1>same siege. And uh, one of the one I was

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<v Speaker 1>talking about with MythBusters was the the Archimedes death ray.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh right, you know what I'm talking about here, right right,

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<v Speaker 1>How he theoretically was able to uh set fire to

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<v Speaker 1>the sales, to the sales or actual ships from a distance.

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<v Speaker 1>The idea being that he designed a device that would

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<v Speaker 1>reflect and concentrate light from the sun and direct it

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<v Speaker 1>at ships, and it would be so intense that it

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<v Speaker 1>would be hot enough to to set fire to at

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<v Speaker 1>least the sales of the ship, if not the actual

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<v Speaker 1>ships themselves. Uh and and and at least some of

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<v Speaker 1>the reports, it was said that he used shields and

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<v Speaker 1>he just polished the surface of the metal shields and

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<v Speaker 1>arrayed them in a in a shape that would direct

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<v Speaker 1>the light kind of very concentrated way. So you have

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<v Speaker 1>all these different shields that are tilted just so so

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<v Speaker 1>that the light that they reflect all hits the same spot,

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<v Speaker 1>sort of like the the devices that you used to

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<v Speaker 1>cook a hot dog or something like that, that you

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<v Speaker 1>used to use a camp. You know, you have your

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<v Speaker 1>your mirror and you stick your food there, and you

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<v Speaker 1>know the sunlight reflects off the inside of the mirror

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<v Speaker 1>and except much much larger and stuff I used to fire. Yeah. Anyway, No,

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<v Speaker 1>that that actually isn't so far fetched in a way.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he really was interested in catoptrics, which I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know was a word, So I'm trying to use

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<v Speaker 1>it and build it into my vocabulary that I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what it is, so please tell me. Yes, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I actually got that word from Britannica's profile on Archimedes. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>It is the part of optics that works with the

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<v Speaker 1>reflection of light from mirrors from different types. They could

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<v Speaker 1>be flat or curved mirrors, but catoptrics is is that,

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<v Speaker 1>uh study, And he was particularly interested in it, So

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't like it was out of character for him

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<v Speaker 1>to be interested in something like that. But apparently it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't so much work well. On the MythBusters episode that

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<v Speaker 1>they made, um, the MythBusters used they they actually tried

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<v Speaker 1>to build one themselves and it didn't really work so well.

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<v Speaker 1>And then they they set out a challenge to various

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<v Speaker 1>groups to try and build UM a working ar Comedes

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<v Speaker 1>death ray, and they found some success, something where it

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<v Speaker 1>was warm enough where it could in theory set fire

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<v Speaker 1>to maybe the sales, but it would it took time,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, you had to worry about it being

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<v Speaker 1>the right time of day for you to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to do this, and it would really depend on the

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<v Speaker 1>ship being very uh well complicit in the burning process,

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<v Speaker 1>in the sense of if the ship's moving around a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>then you have to be able to move the race

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<v Speaker 1>so that it stays on the same general area in

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<v Speaker 1>order to keep increasing that temperature until it reaches the

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<v Speaker 1>burning point. And if the ship's moving, then you may

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<v Speaker 1>not be able to train in the ray on that

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<v Speaker 1>on that moving target fast enough to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>UM to actually get the temperature hot enough to for

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<v Speaker 1>stuff to burn. So it's even if it were an

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<v Speaker 1>actual weapon, it was not necessarily an effective one, not

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<v Speaker 1>like the not like the the the lever that he

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<v Speaker 1>had designed, which was demonstrably effective, effective enough to make

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<v Speaker 1>the Romans change their tactics. Now, there are also other

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<v Speaker 1>interesting inventions that we attribute to our commutees one of

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<v Speaker 1>which is uh that that he probably did make were planetariums.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yes, they were also called spheres at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>the Archimedes spears, and it was if you don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what a planetarium is, a planetarium is essentially a geocentric

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<v Speaker 1>model of what the h the stars and position of

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<v Speaker 1>planets in the Sun and the moon, what what it

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<v Speaker 1>looks like from the perspective of Earth. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a it's an earth based view of the the galaxies

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<v Speaker 1>around us, the universe essentially. And so Archimedes had apparently

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<v Speaker 1>built one of these possibly that used interesting little gears

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<v Speaker 1>to mimic the motion of the planets and stars and

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<v Speaker 1>constellations to keep everything aligned properly and making the move

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<v Speaker 1>the way they actually do through the sky. And uh,

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<v Speaker 1>he built a couple of these apparently, although both of

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<v Speaker 1>them have been lost. There were other devices that have

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<v Speaker 1>been recovered since then from shipwrecks and things like that

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<v Speaker 1>that may either be an actual example of the spheres

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<v Speaker 1>that Archimedes himself built, or maybe built on the same

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<v Speaker 1>principles that Archimedes used when building his. But that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>one of the things where we have we've heard the

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<v Speaker 1>record of him building these things, and he certainly had

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<v Speaker 1>the intelligence necessary to be able to design such a thing,

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<v Speaker 1>we just don't have the physical proof of it. Um. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a treatise that he apparently wrote called the

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<v Speaker 1>sand Reckoner that had to do with um astronomy and

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<v Speaker 1>his astronomical thought. He actually had had been able to

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<v Speaker 1>uh sort of using his tools of his time, he

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<v Speaker 1>was able to get an eye a reasonable idea of

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<v Speaker 1>the diameter of the sun, um, you know, through his

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<v Speaker 1>uh using instruments to observe this. And this is of

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<v Speaker 1>course along before people that we sort of associate with

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<v Speaker 1>um astronomy, you know, modern astronomy, people like Galileo UM.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. There he was really sort of in a

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<v Speaker 1>groundbreaking category in this regard, but all there were others

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<v Speaker 1>who who worked with these principles to um. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>his work went into uh several others as well, but UM,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's sort of disappeared for a while. Ile

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<v Speaker 1>Um and they were the kinds of things too that

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<v Speaker 1>stood out. People like Plutarch the um you know, who

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<v Speaker 1>wrote quite a bit about the famous people of his time,

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<v Speaker 1>categorized archimedes work UM and he's you know, these things

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<v Speaker 1>were well enough documented that he was able to pull

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<v Speaker 1>this out. You know, Chris has a lot more to

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<v Speaker 1>say about Archimedes, but honestly it's all Greek to me.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're going to take a quick break. I'd like

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about another real quick legendary Archimedes moment. Okay, um,

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<v Speaker 1>this would be another great quote. Doesn't have to do

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<v Speaker 1>with the bathtub, Yes it does. It has to do

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<v Speaker 1>with the bathtub. So this is again a possibly apocryphal story.

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<v Speaker 1>So in other words, this this may not be true.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, I think a lot of historians put this

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<v Speaker 1>in the realm of legend for for many reasons, one

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<v Speaker 1>of which is that the solution Archimedes came up with

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<v Speaker 1>was actually not as not as difficult to to get

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<v Speaker 1>to as you would imagine. So in other words, it

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<v Speaker 1>seems like it's too easy an answer for Archimedes is

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<v Speaker 1>almost the argument here. But the the situation was that

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<v Speaker 1>you had the King of Syracuse who had commissioned a

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<v Speaker 1>a golden crown, and this golden crown was made, but

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<v Speaker 1>the king was suspicious of the golden crown. He thought

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<v Speaker 1>that perhaps the person who made it actually used silver

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<v Speaker 1>to make the crown, and then coded it with gold

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<v Speaker 1>in order to to cheat the king out of money,

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<v Speaker 1>essentially because silver was less precious than gold, and therefore

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<v Speaker 1>by using gold silver in the crown, he could make

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<v Speaker 1>it for for less money than it would cost him

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<v Speaker 1>to gather all the materials, and thus have a higher profit. So,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you figure out if it weighs the right

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<v Speaker 1>amount for a crown of that general size? Um, how

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<v Speaker 1>do you figure out whether or not silver was used? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>silver doesn't weigh as much as gold does, so, in

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<v Speaker 1>other in other words, in order to make a silver

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<v Speaker 1>crown that would weigh the same amount as a gold crown,

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<v Speaker 1>you would have to add more silver. Right. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you had a cube of silver and a cube of

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<v Speaker 1>gold that were the exact same size, right, the gold

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<v Speaker 1>would weigh more. Yes, So in order to make the

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<v Speaker 1>cube's weigh the same, you would have to have a

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<v Speaker 1>bigger cube of silver, right. So that was that was

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<v Speaker 1>what Archimedes came up with. He came up with this

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<v Speaker 1>idea of well, if I use the amount of gold

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<v Speaker 1>that it takes to create the weight of this crown,

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<v Speaker 1>just let's say this crown weighs let's just say ten pounds, Okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So for the argument's sake, this crown weighed ten pounds.

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<v Speaker 1>So what our community said, well, what if I get

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<v Speaker 1>ten pounds of gold, and then I use some way

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<v Speaker 1>to determine the mass of that gold, and then I

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<v Speaker 1>use that same measurement for the crown. If the measurements

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<v Speaker 1>the same, then we can come to the conclusion that

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<v Speaker 1>the gold that is gold in the crown. If the

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<v Speaker 1>if it's different, then we can say that maybe there's

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<v Speaker 1>a different material in here. So what he did was

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<v Speaker 1>he took a bath. Yes he did. So this all

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<v Speaker 1>has to do with the displacement of water by putting

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<v Speaker 1>the the And again we're just using this this measurement

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<v Speaker 1>out of for for simplicity's sake, putting ten pounds of

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<v Speaker 1>gold in the bath, he sees how much water is displaced,

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<v Speaker 1>how far that water is displaced in the bath, and

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<v Speaker 1>then putting the crown in there, he can see how

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<v Speaker 1>much water is displaced from there, and the the amount

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<v Speaker 1>is different than he knows that the two materials are

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<v Speaker 1>not the same. And supposedly he became so excited by

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<v Speaker 1>this discovery that he ran out of his home. Starkers,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not a joke. That's part of the legend. Know

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<v Speaker 1>that that part is not what's cracking up starkers nick.

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<v Speaker 1>He was naked as a blue jay running down the

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<v Speaker 1>road turning into my uh my kin folk here. Um

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<v Speaker 1>so anyway, yeah, completely nude, running down the street and

0:20:11.119 --> 0:20:17.080
<v Speaker 1>screams out Eureka, which means I have found it also

0:20:17.240 --> 0:20:22.440
<v Speaker 1>is a quirky dramatic comedy on the Sci Fi Network,

0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:26.879
<v Speaker 1>Yes it is. Anyway, so Eureka. That's that's where we

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<v Speaker 1>get that when when you have someone who makes a

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<v Speaker 1>discovering screams at Eureka, they are essentially paying homage to

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<v Speaker 1>our comedies. Which again, since this is a potentially apocryphal story,

0:20:38.640 --> 0:20:42.040
<v Speaker 1>we might just be paying homage to a legend. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>apparently that the bathtub part is what's probably apocryphal, but

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<v Speaker 1>the crown part apparently is true. Um they do. They

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<v Speaker 1>do seem to feel, or at least Britannic Ads seems

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<v Speaker 1>to feel that that that he was asked to determine

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<v Speaker 1>whether or not the crown is actually gold apparently really

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<v Speaker 1>did happen. Yeah, And you know you would want somebody

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<v Speaker 1>like Archimedes to do this because he was thinking scientifically

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<v Speaker 1>in this case, and the reason you might say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>why don't they just scratched the crown and see if

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<v Speaker 1>they're silver and bite it like your coin. Right, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the problem here was that the crown was considered to

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<v Speaker 1>be almost a holy relic. It was because the kings

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<v Speaker 1>of the Greeks were they would trace their lineage back

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<v Speaker 1>to gods, and so you couldn't destroy the crown in

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<v Speaker 1>any way because that was an affront to the gods.

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<v Speaker 1>So he had to find a non destructive way to

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<v Speaker 1>test this without you know, without actually causing any sort

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<v Speaker 1>of damage to the crown, which markes it way more difficult. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we have another object that is attributed to Archimedes,

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<v Speaker 1>although it's very possible that it actually predates his lifetime

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<v Speaker 1>and it's just that he observed it and then was

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<v Speaker 1>able to apply it elsewhere, which is the Archimedes screw. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, well, how could it not be archimedes invention?

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<v Speaker 1>It has his name right there in the name. Well, yeah,

0:22:11.960 --> 0:22:16.919
<v Speaker 1>McDonald's isn't named for somebody named McDonald, So you know

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<v Speaker 1>there's a name. A name is is tricky thing sometimes,

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<v Speaker 1>but yes, he did. He did observe the principle that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the hydrostatic principle using using the screw to

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<v Speaker 1>raise water, which sounds counterintuitive at first until you realize

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<v Speaker 1>how this is implemented. It's actually a screw that is,

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<v Speaker 1>in general, the screw is encased in a tube and

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<v Speaker 1>then you lay it in a at an angle whereof

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<v Speaker 1>you know, one end is raised at the top and

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<v Speaker 1>the other end goes into the water. So you've got

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<v Speaker 1>one end that that descends into the water and you

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<v Speaker 1>have one end that's above the water level. You start

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<v Speaker 1>turning that screw and what it does is it scoops

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<v Speaker 1>the water and the water travels up the screw just

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<v Speaker 1>because of the principle of the screw as you turn

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<v Speaker 1>it within this tube. Now there's you know, you might

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<v Speaker 1>have some leakage issues where some of the water leaks

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<v Speaker 1>back down to the next level down. But as as

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<v Speaker 1>soon as you start turning that screw with a nice clip,

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<v Speaker 1>eventually the water starts coming to the surface, and the

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<v Speaker 1>the speed that you turn the screw will counteract the

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<v Speaker 1>leaking problem. And since it's just leaking to the next

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<v Speaker 1>level down, it essentially becomes a non issue. Once you

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<v Speaker 1>get to a certain speed and you can actually lift

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<v Speaker 1>water out of out of a body of water that way,

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<v Speaker 1>and this was often used in our Coimedes time to

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<v Speaker 1>pull water from say a lake and put it into

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<v Speaker 1>an irrigation system. The Greeks and Romans were both very

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<v Speaker 1>big on irrigation. Yes, indeed, um, yeah, Actually, that reminds

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<v Speaker 1>me of there's an infant toy that has three or

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<v Speaker 1>four little plastic balls and there's a screw inside. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you push down and it's encased, as you said,

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<v Speaker 1>in it and not in a tube. It's actually sort

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<v Speaker 1>of a it's not conical, but it does get narrower

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<v Speaker 1>at the top than it is at the bottom. And

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<v Speaker 1>when you press down on the plunger in the center,

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<v Speaker 1>it makes the screw turn and the faster you push it,

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<v Speaker 1>the higher the balls climb up the screw until you

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<v Speaker 1>stop and then they spin back down. I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not hydro static. There's no water, and it's the same. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the same kind of thing, and you can sort

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<v Speaker 1>of if you've seen that, that's you can sort of

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<v Speaker 1>imagine that because it's you don't often see an Archimedes

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<v Speaker 1>screw in practice, although you you can see them in practice.

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<v Speaker 1>If you were to go to certain hydro electric plants.

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<v Speaker 1>They would be used in practice in reverse because then

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<v Speaker 1>what you do is you turn the If you happen

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<v Speaker 1>to pour water on the top of the screw, it

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<v Speaker 1>will make the screw turn. So you know, turning the

0:24:47.000 --> 0:24:48.719
<v Speaker 1>screw will bring water to the top. But if you

0:24:48.880 --> 0:24:51.320
<v Speaker 1>pour water on the top of the screw, it makes

0:24:51.359 --> 0:24:54.040
<v Speaker 1>the screw turn, so it's the reverse action. Well, that

0:24:54.080 --> 0:24:57.680
<v Speaker 1>means if you are able to position the screw so

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<v Speaker 1>that a flow of water is constant the top of it,

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<v Speaker 1>then the screw will keep turning. You can make that

0:25:02.880 --> 0:25:06.400
<v Speaker 1>screw to work. You can have that screw uh use,

0:25:06.560 --> 0:25:08.920
<v Speaker 1>you can use it to drive a generator, an electric generator,

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<v Speaker 1>and thus you can create electricity from water. That's just

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<v Speaker 1>one way. I mean there are turbines as well. I mean,

0:25:13.800 --> 0:25:17.720
<v Speaker 1>it's not the only method of using water to drive

0:25:17.760 --> 0:25:20.679
<v Speaker 1>an electric generator, but it is one way. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>was actually thinking of the Tesla turbine when you mentioned that,

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<v Speaker 1>um which is also a fascinating thing. We have an

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<v Speaker 1>article on the website about that. As a matter of fact. Yeah,

0:25:30.080 --> 0:25:32.960
<v Speaker 1>it's not using the same exact principle, but it's also

0:25:33.320 --> 0:25:36.400
<v Speaker 1>a way of using water or to uh to turn

0:25:36.440 --> 0:25:39.280
<v Speaker 1>a turbine. That's not you know something what I would

0:25:39.280 --> 0:25:42.160
<v Speaker 1>think of is typical. But anyway, I digress, and we

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<v Speaker 1>again we should point out, I mean, we've mentioned it

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of times, but it bears repeating that they

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<v Speaker 1>the actual our commedees screw. There are at least some

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<v Speaker 1>indications that this was being used in Egypt, uh, well

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<v Speaker 1>before Our Comedies ever had his name attached to it. Yeah,

0:25:59.600 --> 0:26:02.920
<v Speaker 1>completely by chance. Um. A few months ago, I was

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<v Speaker 1>reading the uh, the Biography of Cleopatra by Stacy Schiff.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very popular there for a while, UM, and I

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't really read a lot about ancient Egypt. But he

0:26:13.800 --> 0:26:17.760
<v Speaker 1>our Comedies was actually in contact with uh, some of

0:26:17.840 --> 0:26:22.760
<v Speaker 1>the scientists in Alexandria, which at that time Alexandria in

0:26:22.800 --> 0:26:26.159
<v Speaker 1>Egypt was probably the world center of learning, or at

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<v Speaker 1>least one of the top uh centers of scholarship, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>And he apparently was was in contact with them and

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<v Speaker 1>had spent some time in Egypt before he went to Syracuse. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>So it is not at all unlikely, um that he

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have you know that that he would have had

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<v Speaker 1>contact with those uh, those scientists over there and gotten

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<v Speaker 1>some some cool ideas, you know, and he also was

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<v Speaker 1>attributed with the creation of a game. Really did you

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<v Speaker 1>hear about stone machion or stomachion? I have heard of it,

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<v Speaker 1>but I didn't realize this was this was related to Archimedes.

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<v Speaker 1>It's attributed to him. It's a it's a game that

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<v Speaker 1>you play with these different shapes. It's almost like having

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<v Speaker 1>a puzzle in a way, like these shapes if you

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<v Speaker 1>if you put them all together in one way, it

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<v Speaker 1>will create essentially a square. But the idea is to

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<v Speaker 1>use those shapes to create other recognizable shapes. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>really an exercise and creativity like seeing seeing the potential

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<v Speaker 1>of geometry to build um shapes that are more organic,

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<v Speaker 1>so things like use them to build a tree or

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<v Speaker 1>the example I saw was an elephant um, which is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of it's just kind of interesting. Is the idea

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<v Speaker 1>that you have to use all the shapes in the

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<v Speaker 1>group to create a recognizable object, an interesting object. And

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<v Speaker 1>uh so that's also attributed to Archimedes. But again this

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<v Speaker 1>is another one of those attributions that we can't be

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<v Speaker 1>completely serve is accurate. It's just one of those another

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<v Speaker 1>another interesting thing of something that Archimedes may have had

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<v Speaker 1>a hand in We'll be back with this classic episode

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<v Speaker 1>about Archimedes in just a moment after this quick break.

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<v Speaker 1>So shapes actually, yeah right, speaking of shapes. Um, you

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<v Speaker 1>know he was he was involved with many He published

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of his work, and there there is an

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<v Speaker 1>indication that he may have had other work that he

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<v Speaker 1>either didn't publish or that was later lost. Again, there's

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<v Speaker 1>been a lot of time that has passed now since

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<v Speaker 1>he is he has left us. But um, one of

0:28:46.360 --> 0:28:51.400
<v Speaker 1>the things we do know that he was fascinated with shapes. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>He was able to, uh, to figure out the surface

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<v Speaker 1>area of a spear fear of radius R. You remember

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<v Speaker 1>this back from your mathematics classes. I have a vague

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<v Speaker 1>memory of it. Yeah, yeah, S equals for pie r squared. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and the volume is two thirds of the cylinder in

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<v Speaker 1>which it is inscribed V equals four thirds pie r cubed.

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<v Speaker 1>I have not had to know those those formula and

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<v Speaker 1>so long, but they came back to me as soon

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<v Speaker 1>as I saw that. And apparently, uh, he was so

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<v Speaker 1>excited about this that this is actually, uh, what his

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<v Speaker 1>tomb was marked with. Yes, Marcus Tullius Cicero found his tomb,

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<v Speaker 1>which had been overgrown with uh greenery, let's say, and

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<v Speaker 1>um probably about a hundred and fifty years or so

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<v Speaker 1>after he died, and found that his uh, his tomb

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<v Speaker 1>had been inscribed with a a sphere or had been

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<v Speaker 1>marked with a sphere inscribed in a cylinder. And that's uh.

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<v Speaker 1>I just think that's fascinating. I mean, going back to

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<v Speaker 1>what I learned about geometry and um uh calculus, I

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<v Speaker 1>think of people who came much later than that, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in general, but our comedes really had a

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<v Speaker 1>huge influence on many many other people. Of course, his

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<v Speaker 1>writings were known to UH to the Arabic world. A

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<v Speaker 1>lot of a lot of scientists and mathematicians from that

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<v Speaker 1>era in in later centuries were able to take his

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<v Speaker 1>work and build upon it UM and it's just uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just cool stuff. He also did a lot with

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<v Speaker 1>with mathematics as it was, you know, working on place

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<v Speaker 1>value systems UM. And there's lots and lots of different things.

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<v Speaker 1>He wasn't He wasn't a he was I would say polymathic.

0:30:51.080 --> 0:30:55.480
<v Speaker 1>You know, somebody who is his UM well, has has

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<v Speaker 1>knowledge in multiple areas, very knowledgeable about a variety of

0:30:59.200 --> 0:31:02.000
<v Speaker 1>mathematical and science topics, and we'll probably talk about other

0:31:02.080 --> 0:31:06.280
<v Speaker 1>individuals who fall into that category as well. UM for example,

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<v Speaker 1>I eventually we're gonna have to do a full profile

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<v Speaker 1>on Leonardo da Vinci because but that's another famous poly

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<v Speaker 1>math from from history that that you know, really was

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<v Speaker 1>instrumental in the whole idea of of invention, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>really embracing that part of genius. I hope you guys

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