WEBVTT - Thomas Henry Huxley

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production

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<v Speaker 1>of iHeartRadio. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Holly

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<v Speaker 1>Frye and I'm prayse A V.

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<v Speaker 2>Wilson. This is an.

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<v Speaker 1>Episode that we are recording while we are on a

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<v Speaker 1>visit to the Bahamas. We are in the studio at

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<v Speaker 1>Baha Mar So I wanted to do something that related

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<v Speaker 1>to marine biology. It is a little related to marine biology.

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<v Speaker 1>There is a lot more to the story of Thomas

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<v Speaker 1>Henry Huxley than the embarrassing scientific blunder in marine biology

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<v Speaker 1>that he made, although that is one of the most

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<v Speaker 1>famous events of his life, and he actually, in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 1>offers up a pretty good example of having a good

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<v Speaker 1>attitude about learning in public, about making a gaff and

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<v Speaker 1>then acknowledging errors and learning from them. He also is

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<v Speaker 1>sort of famously known by his nickname Darwin's Bulldog for

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<v Speaker 1>his very vocal support part of Darwin's work, and he

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<v Speaker 1>also just generally wanted to promote science and education, particularly

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<v Speaker 1>people that normally did not have access to those things.

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<v Speaker 1>He wrote late in his life quote, it is with

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<v Speaker 1>this intent that I have subordinated any reasonable or unreasonable

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<v Speaker 1>ambition for scientific fame, which I may have permitted myself

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<v Speaker 1>to entertain, to other ends, to the popularization of science,

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<v Speaker 1>to the development and organization of scientific education, to the

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<v Speaker 1>endless series of battles and skirmishes over evolution, and to

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<v Speaker 1>untiring opposition to that ecclesiastical spirit, that clericalism, which in England,

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<v Speaker 1>as everywhere else, and to whatever denomination it may belong,

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<v Speaker 1>is the deadly enemy of science. So he's pretty interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Heads up, there is so much documentation written about and

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<v Speaker 1>by Thomas Huxley that there's no way to cover it all.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you are a Thomas Huxley scholar, you may

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<v Speaker 1>be like you're leaving some stuff out.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no way not to just know that there is.

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<v Speaker 1>Also plenty that is edited out of his story here,

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<v Speaker 1>But also that means there is plenty that is readily

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<v Speaker 1>available and easy to access. If you look at our

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<v Speaker 1>show notes for today's episode, you will find plenty of

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<v Speaker 1>things that he wrote and people wrote about him. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>we just have to say, right out of the gate,

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<v Speaker 1>this man had spectacular sideburns. Thomas Henry Huxley was born

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<v Speaker 1>May fourth, eighteen twenty five and ealing England today.

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<v Speaker 2>That is part of London.

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<v Speaker 1>At the time, it was a village outside of London,

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<v Speaker 1>but the city eventually just absorbed it. It became part

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<v Speaker 1>of the greater city through urban expansion. His father, George,

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<v Speaker 1>was a schoolmaster who ran a small but respected school

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<v Speaker 1>for boys. George and his wife Rachel, had seven children,

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<v Speaker 1>and Thomas was the youngest. Only six of those children

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<v Speaker 1>lived past infancy, though Thomas was born in their home,

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<v Speaker 1>which was an apartment above a butcher's shop, and he

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<v Speaker 1>wrote a humorous story about his early childhood later in

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<v Speaker 1>his life, saying quote, I am not aware that any

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<v Speaker 1>portence preceded my arrival in this world, But in my

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<v Speaker 1>childhood I remember hearing a traditional account of the manner

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<v Speaker 1>in which I lost the chance of an endowment of

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<v Speaker 1>great practical value. The windows of my mother's room were

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<v Speaker 1>open in consequence of the unusual warmth of the weather.

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<v Speaker 1>For the same reason, probably a neighboring beehive had swarmed,

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<v Speaker 1>and the new colony, pitching on the windowsill, was making

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<v Speaker 1>its way into the room when the horrified nurse shut

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<v Speaker 1>down the sash. If that well meaning woman had only

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<v Speaker 1>abstained from her ill timed interference, the swarm might have

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<v Speaker 1>settled on my lips, and I should have been endowed

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<v Speaker 1>with that molefluous eloquence, which in this country leads far

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<v Speaker 1>more surely than worth capacity or honest work, to the

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<v Speaker 1>highest places in church and state. But the opportunity was lost,

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<v Speaker 1>and I have been obliged to content myself through life

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<v Speaker 1>with saying what I mean in the plainest of plain

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<v Speaker 1>language than which I suppose there is no habit more

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<v Speaker 1>ruinous to a man's prospects of advancement. Beyond that, he

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<v Speaker 1>wrote quote, I have next to nothing to say about

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<v Speaker 1>my childhood. I love him, and I know that was

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<v Speaker 1>a long story to read, but I wanted to include

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<v Speaker 1>it because it really sets you up for what they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to get from Thomas Huxley. He's a little of

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<v Speaker 1>self deprecating all the time, but he's also very simultaneously

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<v Speaker 1>able to kind of stick a little jab in at

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<v Speaker 1>what he thinks is the pompous nature of a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the institutions of English society. And also, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know why getting stung by bees would have made him

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<v Speaker 1>more eloquent, but I think it was that they would alight, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>they would alight onto his mouth and give him the

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<v Speaker 1>gift of speech, not that they would sting him, they

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<v Speaker 1>would make him buzz and buzz. Although Thomas grew up

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<v Speaker 1>in an educator's household, he only had two years of

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<v Speaker 1>formal schooling. He attended his father's school starting at age eight,

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<v Speaker 1>but the school closed in eighteen thirty seven and that

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<v Speaker 1>was the end of that. George moved out of education

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<v Speaker 1>and he moved into a career in banking. The family

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<v Speaker 1>did continue to struggle financially, and from the age of

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<v Speaker 1>ten on, Thomas's education was entirely self directed. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>like they could afford to send him to a school.

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<v Speaker 1>His father had amassed a significant library though, through his teaching,

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<v Speaker 1>so Thomas just decided he would sort of work his

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<v Speaker 1>way through that. He not only read books in English,

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<v Speaker 1>but he also taught himself French and German, so he

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<v Speaker 1>could read books written in those languages as well, including

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<v Speaker 1>the works of Descartes and Guerta. Although his father had

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<v Speaker 1>been a teacher, it was Rachel, his mother, who he

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<v Speaker 1>really credited with giving him the gift of natural intelligence.

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<v Speaker 1>He wrote of her quote, with no more education than

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<v Speaker 1>other women of the middle class in her day, she

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<v Speaker 1>had an excellent mental capacity. Her most distinguishing characteristic, however,

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<v Speaker 1>was rapidity of thought. If one ventured to suggest she

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<v Speaker 1>had not taken much time to arrive at any conclusion,

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<v Speaker 1>she would say, I cannot help it. Things flash across me.

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<v Speaker 1>That peculiarity has been passed on to me in full strength.

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<v Speaker 1>It has often stood me in good stead, it has

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes played me sad tricks, and it has always been

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<v Speaker 1>a danger. But after all, if my time were to

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<v Speaker 1>come over again, there is nothing I would less willingly

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<v Speaker 1>part with than my inheritance of mother. Wit Zelle Huxley

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<v Speaker 1>was raised in an Anglican family. By the time he

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<v Speaker 1>was a teenager, he was starting to question religion, and

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<v Speaker 1>is often described as having aligned with the dissenters of

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<v Speaker 1>nineteenth century England, who rebelled against the dogma of the

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<v Speaker 1>Church of England and sought their own path. Throughout his life,

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<v Speaker 1>Huxley moved farther and farther away from religion as he

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<v Speaker 1>examined its place in the human social structure and viewed

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<v Speaker 1>it from a progressively more scientific lens. When he was thirteen,

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<v Speaker 1>Huxley was apprenticed to John Charles Cook, a doctor who

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<v Speaker 1>was also his sister Ellen's husband. Encyclopedia Britannica described Cook

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<v Speaker 1>as a medical materialist, meaning someone who believes that all maladies,

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<v Speaker 1>including psychological ones, traced back to a physical problem, but

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<v Speaker 1>Holly didn't find much about Cook anywhere to really verify that.

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<v Speaker 1>Huxley didn't stay with Cook for long, though, and eventually

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<v Speaker 1>moved on to a different apprenticeship in London with a

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<v Speaker 1>doctor who served the city's poor. But Huxley acknowledged that

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<v Speaker 1>medicine in terms of actually treating patients had never been

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<v Speaker 1>a passion for him. He was really just interested in

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<v Speaker 1>physiology and was trying to find a way out of poverty. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's said that he was really very struck by the

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<v Speaker 1>horrible soircumstances that London's poor were living in, and that

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<v Speaker 1>part of his apprenticeship really impacted the way he thought

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<v Speaker 1>about education for the rest of his life and what.

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<v Speaker 2>He could do to help people.

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<v Speaker 1>Huxley described once going to an autopsy with his friends

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<v Speaker 1>as a boy drawn near because he was interested in physiology,

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<v Speaker 1>and he described what he called dissection poisoning, although in

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<v Speaker 1>this account where he talks about it, he says that

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't cut himself in any way like there was

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<v Speaker 1>no place for anything kind of dangerous to enter his

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<v Speaker 1>skin or his blood stream. But even so he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>get better. He continued to get sick, and he describes

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<v Speaker 1>having to go to the country to a farm to

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<v Speaker 1>get better, stating quote, I soon recovered, but for years

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<v Speaker 1>I suffered from occasional paroxysms of internal pain. And from

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<v Speaker 1>that time my constant friend hypochondriacal dyspepsia commenced his half

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<v Speaker 1>century of co tendancy of my flesh Lee Tabernacle. At

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<v Speaker 1>the age of seventeen, Huxley had acquired enough knowledge and

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<v Speaker 1>the ability to apply it that he was given a

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<v Speaker 1>scholarship to study medicine. This was through the charing Cross

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<v Speaker 1>Hospital at London University, and Huxley met this opportunity with enthusiasm.

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<v Speaker 1>He won a gold medal for his achievement in anatomy

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<v Speaker 1>and physiology from the school. Just after Huxley's graduation from

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<v Speaker 1>London University in eighteen forty five, he made his first

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<v Speaker 1>mark on the scientific world through his observations of hair

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<v Speaker 1>follicles under a microscope. He identified a layer between the

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<v Speaker 1>outer layer and the interior cuticle that gives hair its

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<v Speaker 1>strength by connecting keratin filaments, and that is now known

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<v Speaker 1>as Huxley's Layer. We will talk about Huxley's next somewhat

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<v Speaker 1>surprising career move after we pause for a sponsor break.

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<v Speaker 1>In eighteen forty six, Thomas Huxley joined the Royal Navy.

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<v Speaker 1>This was, by his account, something one of his friends

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<v Speaker 1>encouraged him to do so. He had graduated from medical school,

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<v Speaker 1>but he was still too young to become a member

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<v Speaker 1>of the College of Surgeons, and he needed some kind

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<v Speaker 1>of income, so his friends suggested that he write to

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<v Speaker 1>the Director General for the Medical Service of the Navy,

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<v Speaker 1>Sir William Burnett. And Huxley actually thought this was way

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<v Speaker 1>too forward, but he was desperate enough that he did

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<v Speaker 1>it anyway, and to his surprise, Burnett asked him to meet,

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<v Speaker 1>and after a brief interview, Huxley was in the Navy

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<v Speaker 1>because of his medical background. He was assigned first to

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<v Speaker 1>Haslar Hospital and then several months later to the HMS

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<v Speaker 1>Rattlesnake as the ship's assistant surgeon. The Rattlesnake had orders

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<v Speaker 1>to embark on a multi year mission to the South Pacific.

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<v Speaker 1>Huxley describes this time on this journey as exceptionally rough,

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<v Speaker 1>but he also he said it was really good for him,

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<v Speaker 1>stating quote, it was good for me to live under

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<v Speaker 1>sharp discipline, to be down on the realities of existence

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<v Speaker 1>by living on bare necessities, to find out how extremely

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<v Speaker 1>well worth living life seemed to be when one woke

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<v Speaker 1>up from a night's rest on a soft plank, with

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<v Speaker 1>the sky for canopy and cocoa, and weevily biscuit the

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<v Speaker 1>soul prospect for breakfast, and more especially to learn to

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<v Speaker 1>work for the sake of what I got for myself

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<v Speaker 1>out of it, even if it all went to the

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<v Speaker 1>bottom and I along with it. The Rattlesnake was on

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<v Speaker 1>a surveying mission, and in addition to fulfilling his daily

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<v Speaker 1>work duties, Huxley took on a side project. He studied

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<v Speaker 1>sea anemones and jellyfish throughout the voyage, and he compiled

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<v Speaker 1>his findings into a paper that he sent to the

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<v Speaker 1>Royal Society in eighteen forty nine.

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<v Speaker 2>That paper was titled on.

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<v Speaker 1>The Anatomy and the Affinities of the Family of the Medusa,

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<v Speaker 1>but he never heard anything back from the Society. Upon

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<v Speaker 1>his return to London in eighteen fifty he was very

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<v Speaker 1>surprised to learn that his paper had been received, published

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<v Speaker 1>and lauded by the scientific community. Huxley also came home

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<v Speaker 1>an engaged man. While he was on that journey, he

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<v Speaker 1>met a young woman while the ship was docked in Sydney, Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>Her name was Henrietta Ann Heathorne. The two of them

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<v Speaker 1>fell in love and they agreed to be married. But

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<v Speaker 1>when the ship left, it wasn't like Henrietta could just

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<v Speaker 1>go with them, so she agreed to wait for Thomas

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<v Speaker 1>in Sydney until the time came that they could be together.

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<v Speaker 1>In eighteen fifty one, because of his paper on anemones

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<v Speaker 1>and other critters, Huxley became a Fellow of the Royal Society.

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<v Speaker 1>He continued his naval career for a while, but he

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<v Speaker 1>was also always working on his own research projects. A

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<v Speaker 1>year after he became a fellow, he submitted a paper

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<v Speaker 1>on invertebrate animals, and he won a gold medal for it.

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<v Speaker 1>Huxley had a couple of factors leading him away from

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<v Speaker 1>his military career in the early eighteen fifties. For one,

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<v Speaker 1>he was feeling ready to transition into research being his

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<v Speaker 1>full time occupation. For another, there were arguments between the

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<v Speaker 1>Admiralty and the scientific community about whether the Navy should

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<v Speaker 1>pay for some of the printing costs of Huxley's work.

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<v Speaker 2>That was not out of the blue.

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<v Speaker 1>The military had made promises that they would support and

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<v Speaker 1>encourage officers doing scientific work, but after several years of

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<v Speaker 1>back and forth, the Navy, according to Huxley quote cut

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<v Speaker 1>short the discussion by ordering me to join a ship,

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<v Speaker 1>which thing I declined to do. So he was on

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<v Speaker 1>his own in London without a job, and if he

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<v Speaker 1>had been born into a wealthy family, this is the

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<v Speaker 1>point where he could have just set up his own

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<v Speaker 1>lab and dedicated himself to research while living off the

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<v Speaker 1>family fortune. A lot of people we've talked about on

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<v Speaker 1>the show have done just that, but Huxley needed a job,

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<v Speaker 1>and leaving the stability of the Navy was actually a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty risky move. But he didn't only want to fund

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<v Speaker 1>his research. He also wanted to make enough money that

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<v Speaker 1>he could send for Henrietta and bring her to London

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<v Speaker 1>so that they could start.

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<v Speaker 2>A life together.

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<v Speaker 1>Huxley had already made a name for himself, and because

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<v Speaker 1>of that name, he landed two jobs. One was as

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<v Speaker 1>a curator at the Museum of practical geography. The other

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<v Speaker 1>was a professor position at the Royal School of Mines,

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<v Speaker 1>where he was to teach paleontology and natural history. This

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<v Speaker 1>was not a job he actually wanted because he was

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<v Speaker 1>not an expert at paleontology, so he accepted the job provisionally.

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<v Speaker 1>He wrote that he told his new employer quote that

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<v Speaker 1>I did not care for fossils, and that I should

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<v Speaker 1>give up natural history as soon as I could get

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<v Speaker 1>a physiological post. But I held the office for thirty

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<v Speaker 1>one years, and a large part of my work has

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<v Speaker 1>been paleontological. Neither of Huxley's new positions was especially high paying,

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<v Speaker 1>but the two combined meant that he could finally send

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<v Speaker 1>for Henrietta, and they got married in eighteen fifty five. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they were, by all accounts, very very happy together. In

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<v Speaker 1>his thirties, Huxley committed himself fully to promoting the new

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<v Speaker 1>ideas arising in science, and this often meant that he

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<v Speaker 1>was at odds with the establishment, because so much of

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<v Speaker 1>thought and culture in Britain, Europe and the US was

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<v Speaker 1>built around biblical ideology, and a lot of the emerging

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<v Speaker 1>science was very counter to that. This was a period

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<v Speaker 1>of time when scientists were really focusing on the origin

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<v Speaker 1>of humans, which even today gets people riled up sometimes,

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<v Speaker 1>so you can imagine how contentious it could be for

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<v Speaker 1>an idea like evolution to be introduced in nineteenth century England.

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<v Speaker 1>But though Huxley was eager to understand where human life began,

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<v Speaker 1>that didn't mean that he supported all scientific ideas that

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<v Speaker 1>explored that topic. In eighteen oh nine, French naturalist Jean

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<v Speaker 1>Baptiste Lamarque had published a book titled Philosophy Zoologice. That

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<v Speaker 1>book built on work that Lamarck had been doing for years,

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<v Speaker 1>and it laid out the origin of life as having

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<v Speaker 1>been the result of spontaneous generation with regards to the

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<v Speaker 1>simplest forms of life, and then suggested that two drivers

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<v Speaker 1>led to more complex forms of life. One was what

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<v Speaker 1>he called the power of life, which he described as

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<v Speaker 1>a natural progression toward increased complexity. The other was an

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<v Speaker 1>environmental effect. The needs of an organism's environment would cause

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<v Speaker 1>them to adopt various behaviors for survival, and those behaviors

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<v Speaker 1>would change their bodies, and those changes would be inherited

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<v Speaker 1>by their offspring. The classic example that he used for

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<v Speaker 1>this was giraffes. He made the case that as they

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<v Speaker 1>stretched to reach high leaves in trees for food, their

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<v Speaker 1>necks elongated, and that that elongation made it into subsequent generations.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course that was incorrect, but it was the beginning

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<v Speaker 1>of scientific discourse about evolution, and writing several decades later

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<v Speaker 1>about it, thought that Lamark had some really interesting ideas,

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<v Speaker 1>but that he was not correct in his assessment, and

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<v Speaker 1>that he had made some leaps that were not really

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<v Speaker 1>supported by any kind of scientific evidence. He wrote, quote

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<v Speaker 1>Lamarck sagacious, as many of his views were mingled them

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<v Speaker 1>with so much that was crude and even absurd, as

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<v Speaker 1>to neutralize the benefit which his originality might have affected

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<v Speaker 1>had he been a more sober and cautious thinker. In

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen forty four, Robert Chambers published a book titled Vestiges

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<v Speaker 1>of the Natural History of Creation. No one knew that

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<v Speaker 1>it was Chambers who wrote it. The book was published anonymously,

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<v Speaker 1>and Chambers, who was a Scottish publisher, was not revealed

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<v Speaker 1>to be the author until forty years later. He had

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<v Speaker 1>withheld his name because he knew it would be controversial

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<v Speaker 1>and he didn't want the potential fearer to destroy his livelihood.

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<v Speaker 1>He was really correct to be worried about this. This

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<v Speaker 1>was not a case where he was scientists who had

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<v Speaker 1>discovered something so new that it would break people's understanding

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<v Speaker 1>of the world. He was parroting things that a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of other people had claimed and kind of combining them

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<v Speaker 1>into one scientific history of the world from the beginning

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<v Speaker 1>to the point where humans appeared.

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<v Speaker 2>And the work repeated a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Of things that the scientific community had already dismissed as

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<v Speaker 1>incorrect and in some cases even silly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was like he did no vetting.

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<v Speaker 1>He read the internet and said I did my research,

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<v Speaker 1>and he wrote one big paper about it, and then

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<v Speaker 1>everyone was like, oh my dude, that's not it.

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<v Speaker 2>No, nope.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh. Huxley's writing about this work is frequently described as scathing.

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<v Speaker 1>Scathing is the word almost everyone uses, and that is

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<v Speaker 1>really pretty accurate. He wrote, quote, we grudged no man

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<v Speaker 1>either the glory or the prophet to be obtained from Charlotteanery.

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<v Speaker 1>And we can hardly expect that those who are so

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<v Speaker 1>ignorant of science as to be misled by the vestiges

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<v Speaker 1>will read what we have to say upon the subject.

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<v Speaker 1>But a book like a weed acquire an importance by

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<v Speaker 1>neglect which it could have attained in no other mode.

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<v Speaker 1>And therefore it becomes our somewhat unpleasant duty to devote

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<v Speaker 1>a few of our pages to an examination of some

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<v Speaker 1>of the leading points of this once attractive and still

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<v Speaker 1>notorious work of fiction. Indeed, we feel the more called

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<v Speaker 1>upon to undertake this criticism at present, since, as we

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<v Speaker 1>shall see, the vestigiarian has bolstered up his case by

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<v Speaker 1>the use of names and authorities which were justifiable might

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<v Speaker 1>give a certain value to his statements. But then, in

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen fifty nine, Charles Darwin published On the Origin of Species,

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<v Speaker 1>which changed science forever, and it became a pivotal work

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<v Speaker 1>in Huxley's life and career. Unlike the Lamarck and Chambers

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<v Speaker 1>writing on evolution, Darwin's work captured Huxley's attention, and that

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<v Speaker 1>started before it was ever published. Darwin had brought the

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<v Speaker 1>work to Huxley for review before it went to print,

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<v Speaker 1>and Huxley had made an in depth study of the manuscript.

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<v Speaker 1>Andy felt that the reasoning and science of natural selection

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<v Speaker 1>as outlined in Darwin's work really stood up the reason

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<v Speaker 1>why Huxley got the nickname of Darwin's bulldog was because

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<v Speaker 1>he was comfortable embracing the conflict around this controversial writing

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<v Speaker 1>and just towing up with the detractors.

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<v Speaker 2>But Darwin was not Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like Darwin was like, I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>fight about this, and Huxley was like, oh, I will

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<v Speaker 1>bring it off. We are going to talk about some

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<v Speaker 1>of these debates after we hear from the sponsors that

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<v Speaker 1>keep stuff you missed in history class going. Huxley got

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<v Speaker 1>into a lot of public debates about Darwin's writing, and

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<v Speaker 1>the most famous of those was a formal debate staged

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<v Speaker 1>at Oxford University on June thirtieth, eighteen sixty. It has

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<v Speaker 1>actually come to be known as the Great Debate, and

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<v Speaker 1>this event was part of the ceremony to open the

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<v Speaker 1>new University Museum, and it pitted Huxley against Samuel Wilberforce,

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<v Speaker 1>who is the Bishop of Oxford. Wilberforce was a fellow

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<v Speaker 1>of the Royal Society in addition to being a leader

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<v Speaker 1>in the Anglican Church, so it wasn't like he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know about talking about science. He was a very strong

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<v Speaker 1>public speaker and he was there to defend creation as

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<v Speaker 1>it is portrayed in the Bible as the true origin

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<v Speaker 1>of man. There is actually no full detailed account of

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<v Speaker 1>how the debate played out that evening. I sure wish

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<v Speaker 1>there were, and I know I'm not the only one,

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<v Speaker 1>But there is a moment that has lived on in

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<v Speaker 1>accounts of the debate and has been told by many people.

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<v Speaker 1>It was written about by a lot of people that

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<v Speaker 1>were there. And this moment is one in which Wilberforce

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<v Speaker 1>tries to throw the theory of evolution in Huxley's face

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<v Speaker 1>by suggesting that if he believes this, that means he

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<v Speaker 1>has to acknowledge that one of his forebears must have

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<v Speaker 1>been an ape. And Huxley Famesley replied, quote, if then

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<v Speaker 1>the question is put to me whether I would rather

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<v Speaker 1>have a miserable ape for a grandfather, or a man

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<v Speaker 1>highly endowed by nature and possessed of great means of influence,

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<v Speaker 1>and yet employs these faculties and that influence for the

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<v Speaker 1>purpose of introducing ridicule into a grave scientific discussion. I

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<v Speaker 1>unhesitatingly affirm my preference for the ape. You'll see other

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<v Speaker 1>variations of that sentiment that are written a little bit differently,

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<v Speaker 1>because again we're getting them through everybody's secondhand accounts, but

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<v Speaker 1>they all say essentially the same thing, like they're very

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<v Speaker 1>pro ape. The room where that debate took place and

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<v Speaker 1>where Wilberforce is recognized as having kind of gotten the

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<v Speaker 1>SmackDown is known as the Huxley Room today, and it

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<v Speaker 1>houses more than one million insect specimens. Huxley's story and

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<v Speaker 1>his writing also offer up an opportunity to sort of

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<v Speaker 1>set the record straight regarding humanity's place and the order

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<v Speaker 1>of things and what Darwin did and didn't say about it.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of people who argue against the idea that

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<v Speaker 1>humanity and apes share a common ancestor kind of blame

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<v Speaker 1>that idea on Darwin, when it was really Huxley who

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<v Speaker 1>went hard on it. Darwin's writing on the origin of

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<v Speaker 1>species did not ever make the leap to saying anything

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<v Speaker 1>about the humans and this discussion of various species having

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<v Speaker 1>common ancestors. He literally puts off the question, including it

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<v Speaker 1>as an example of something that will likely be researched later.

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<v Speaker 1>He states quote in the distant future, I see open

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<v Speaker 1>fields for far more important researches. Psychology will be based

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<v Speaker 1>on a new foundation that of the necessary acquirement of

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<v Speaker 1>each mental power and capacity by gradation, light will be

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<v Speaker 1>thrown on the origin of man and his history.

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<v Speaker 2>He would eventually write.

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<v Speaker 1>About humankind's origins, but not for more than a decade

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<v Speaker 1>after the Origin of species. Yeah. At that point he

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of building on what Huxley was about to

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<v Speaker 1>put forward, because Huxley, unlike Darwin, was willing to jump

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<v Speaker 1>into the fray regarding humankind's evolution. Four years after Darwin's

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<v Speaker 1>book came out, Huxley published Evidence as to Man's place

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<v Speaker 1>in nature, and in it he makes the case that

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<v Speaker 1>humans and grade age should be in the same taxonomical class,

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<v Speaker 1>namely mammalia. He knew this was going to be difficult

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<v Speaker 1>for people to accept, and he addressed it in the work,

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<v Speaker 1>and he suggests in the writing that we pretend we

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<v Speaker 1>are from another planet and observing humans as a specimen

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<v Speaker 1>without our own baggage, to make all of these ideas

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<v Speaker 1>easier to accept. Writing quote, bearing this obvious course of

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<v Speaker 1>zoological reasoning in mind, let us endeavor for a moment

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<v Speaker 1>to disconnect our thinking selves from the mask of humanity.

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<v Speaker 1>Let us imagine ourselves scientific saturnians. If you will fairly

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<v Speaker 1>acquainted with such animals as now inhabit the Earth, and

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<v Speaker 1>employed in discussing the relations they bear to a new

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<v Speaker 1>and singular, erect and featherless biped which some enterprising traveler,

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<v Speaker 1>overcoming the difficulties of space and gravitation, has brought from

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<v Speaker 1>that distant planet for our inspection, well preserved, maybe in

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<v Speaker 1>a cask of rum, we should all at once agree

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<v Speaker 1>upon placing him among the mammalian vertebrates, and his lower jaw,

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<v Speaker 1>his molars, and his brain would leave no room for

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<v Speaker 1>doubting the systematic position of the new genus among those

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<v Speaker 1>mammals whose young are nourished during gestation by means of

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<v Speaker 1>a placenta, or what are called the placental mammals. So

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<v Speaker 1>he's basically like, just pretend you don't know you're a

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<v Speaker 1>human and you're looking at this very objectively, it's so

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<v Speaker 1>obvious they're connected. Although Huxley was promoting concepts that he

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<v Speaker 1>knew were going to cause a lot of controversy and disdain,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly from religious quarters, he viewed even that conflict as

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<v Speaker 1>a necessary step in moving humankind's understanding of the world forward.

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<v Speaker 2>In the late.

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<v Speaker 1>Eighteen fifties and early eighteen sixties, Huxley was examining the

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<v Speaker 1>silty deep sea mud from the floor of the Atlantic

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<v Speaker 1>Ocean when he noticed something that he thought might be important. Incidentally,

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<v Speaker 1>that mud sample was collected by the vessel HMS Cyclops

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<v Speaker 1>while it was surveying for the best route for the

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<v Speaker 1>Transatlantic telegraph cable. We talked about that on the show

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<v Speaker 1>all the way back in November of twenty sixteen, and

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<v Speaker 1>while the Cyclops was still at sea, the mud that

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<v Speaker 1>it gathered was examined under a microscope and it was

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<v Speaker 1>seen to be quote full of minute shells.

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<v Speaker 2>So by the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Huxley had it, there was already some speculation about it

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<v Speaker 1>having some kind of minuscule forms of life in it.

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<v Speaker 1>That was something that everybody involved was really excited about.

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<v Speaker 1>Huxley dubbed these cocoliths, and that was a name that stuck.

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<v Speaker 1>There was not a huge surge of research about them, though,

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<v Speaker 1>and they seemed to drop out of the consciousness of

0:26:58.760 --> 0:27:03.080
<v Speaker 1>the scientific community. But then in eighteen sixty eight Huxley

0:27:03.240 --> 0:27:05.879
<v Speaker 1>revisited the mud, which had been preserved in a jar

0:27:06.080 --> 0:27:08.840
<v Speaker 1>for more than a decade at that point, and at

0:27:08.880 --> 0:27:11.679
<v Speaker 1>that point it appeared that there might be a living

0:27:11.880 --> 0:27:16.080
<v Speaker 1>substance in the mud Huxley observed what he described as

0:27:16.160 --> 0:27:21.120
<v Speaker 1>quote innumerable lumps of a transparent gelatinous substance that had

0:27:21.160 --> 0:27:25.240
<v Speaker 1>not been there before. Then he examined these lumps, and

0:27:25.400 --> 0:27:28.560
<v Speaker 1>he found that they contained cocoliths as well as other

0:27:28.600 --> 0:27:33.159
<v Speaker 1>foreign bodies and granules. Through testing, he came to the

0:27:33.160 --> 0:27:36.080
<v Speaker 1>conclusion that he described in his paper about it, which

0:27:36.119 --> 0:27:39.399
<v Speaker 1>was titled on some organisms living at great depths in

0:27:39.440 --> 0:27:42.400
<v Speaker 1>the North Atlantic Ocean, and he described it this way.

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<v Speaker 1>Quote the granule heaps and the transparent gelatinous matter in

0:27:46.240 --> 0:27:51.080
<v Speaker 1>which they are embedded represent masses of protoplasm. Take away

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<v Speaker 1>the cysts which characterized the radiolaria, and a dead spherozoum

0:27:55.359 --> 0:27:58.080
<v Speaker 1>would very nearly resemble one of the masses of this

0:27:58.240 --> 0:28:00.960
<v Speaker 1>deep sea ersk climb, which which must I think be

0:28:01.080 --> 0:28:05.080
<v Speaker 1>regarded as a new form of those simple animated beings

0:28:05.280 --> 0:28:08.520
<v Speaker 1>which have recently been so well described by Heckel in

0:28:08.640 --> 0:28:12.960
<v Speaker 1>his monography der Moneran. I propose to confer upon this

0:28:13.160 --> 0:28:16.720
<v Speaker 1>new owner the generic name of Bathhibius, and to call

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<v Speaker 1>it after the eminent professor of zoology in the University

0:28:19.920 --> 0:28:21.000
<v Speaker 1>of Jena, B.

0:28:21.240 --> 0:28:21.919
<v Speaker 2>Hakeli I.

0:28:22.880 --> 0:28:25.480
<v Speaker 1>The scientist that he's talking about there, and for whom

0:28:25.480 --> 0:28:28.280
<v Speaker 1>he wanted to name this was Ernst Heckel, who was

0:28:28.720 --> 0:28:33.840
<v Speaker 1>very flattered by this situation. Bathhibius Heclei was entered into

0:28:33.840 --> 0:28:37.080
<v Speaker 1>the zoological record that same year, and it became the

0:28:37.119 --> 0:28:40.520
<v Speaker 1>source of a lot of scientific interest as researchers tried

0:28:40.560 --> 0:28:43.959
<v Speaker 1>to analyze its place in the understanding of the origin

0:28:44.000 --> 0:28:48.920
<v Speaker 1>of life. Additional samples were collected and similar findings were

0:28:48.960 --> 0:28:52.280
<v Speaker 1>made with them until the expedition of the HMS Challenger,

0:28:52.520 --> 0:28:56.719
<v Speaker 1>which began in eighteen seventy two. A chemist named Buchanan

0:28:56.880 --> 0:28:59.760
<v Speaker 1>was on board the ship, and he conducted some experiments

0:28:59.760 --> 0:29:02.840
<v Speaker 1>of his own on the four year voyage. He had

0:29:02.920 --> 0:29:06.640
<v Speaker 1>noticed that their samples that were kept in plane seawater

0:29:06.920 --> 0:29:11.640
<v Speaker 1>did not form globules like Huxley's samples had, but when

0:29:11.680 --> 0:29:15.320
<v Speaker 1>he added alcohol to the seawater, it spawned a precipitate.

0:29:15.800 --> 0:29:20.320
<v Speaker 1>What Huxley had found was not protoplasm spawning life. He

0:29:20.400 --> 0:29:24.480
<v Speaker 1>had just misidentified a chemical reaction of calcium sulfate or

0:29:24.520 --> 0:29:30.520
<v Speaker 1>gypsum combining with alcohol. Who when Huxley was informed of

0:29:30.560 --> 0:29:34.760
<v Speaker 1>this information, bless him, He did not get indignant, He

0:29:34.800 --> 0:29:37.160
<v Speaker 1>did not get in a big fight about it. He

0:29:37.200 --> 0:29:40.080
<v Speaker 1>wrote a letter to the editor of Nature for publication

0:29:40.600 --> 0:29:44.120
<v Speaker 1>in which he acknowledged his embarrassing error with very good humor,

0:29:44.200 --> 0:29:47.280
<v Speaker 1>stating quote, if you have read your Shakespeare, you would

0:29:47.280 --> 0:29:50.280
<v Speaker 1>know what it is to mean by eating a leak. Well,

0:29:50.360 --> 0:29:52.600
<v Speaker 1>every honest man has to do that now and then.

0:29:52.920 --> 0:29:55.960
<v Speaker 1>And I assure you that if eaten fairly and without grimaces,

0:29:56.320 --> 0:29:59.160
<v Speaker 1>the devouring of that herb has a very wholesome cooling

0:29:59.160 --> 0:30:03.200
<v Speaker 1>effect on the blood, particularly in people of sanguine temperament.

0:30:03.840 --> 0:30:07.400
<v Speaker 1>He also stated, my poor dear Bthhibius appears likely to

0:30:07.480 --> 0:30:11.120
<v Speaker 1>turn out to be a blunderubus. And he stated that

0:30:11.160 --> 0:30:14.200
<v Speaker 1>he intended to always set the record straight at every

0:30:14.240 --> 0:30:18.320
<v Speaker 1>opportunity if anyone was walking around with the misinformation that

0:30:18.400 --> 0:30:20.920
<v Speaker 1>he had promoted, and he did that he'd lived that

0:30:21.000 --> 0:30:24.680
<v Speaker 1>out the entirity of his life. While he was absolutely

0:30:24.720 --> 0:30:27.520
<v Speaker 1>willing to admit this error, what he would not do

0:30:27.760 --> 0:30:30.240
<v Speaker 1>was let other people use his gaff to try to

0:30:30.280 --> 0:30:35.160
<v Speaker 1>discredit science. George Douglas Campbell, the Duke of Argyle, was

0:30:35.400 --> 0:30:40.040
<v Speaker 1>particularly enthusiastic about using this mistake to claim that all

0:30:40.160 --> 0:30:45.480
<v Speaker 1>of the theory of evolution was ridiculous. Huxley responded by saying, quote,

0:30:45.520 --> 0:30:48.680
<v Speaker 1>the most considerable difference I note among men is not

0:30:48.880 --> 0:30:51.960
<v Speaker 1>in their readiness to fall into error, but in their

0:30:52.000 --> 0:30:57.840
<v Speaker 1>readiness to acknowledge these inevitable lapses. Thomas Huxley, who had

0:30:57.880 --> 0:31:01.960
<v Speaker 1>gained his vast knowledge through self directed study, believed very

0:31:02.000 --> 0:31:05.800
<v Speaker 1>deeply that education was for everyone, and he used his

0:31:05.880 --> 0:31:09.960
<v Speaker 1>position as he became a well recognized intellectual, to give

0:31:10.080 --> 0:31:13.360
<v Speaker 1>other people an opportunity for education, and in a way

0:31:13.680 --> 0:31:17.520
<v Speaker 1>that actually tried to decrease the divide between intellectuals and

0:31:17.720 --> 0:31:21.600
<v Speaker 1>average people. In the eighteen fifties, he started a project

0:31:21.680 --> 0:31:25.960
<v Speaker 1>called the Workingman Lectures, which sought to demystify science and

0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:29.200
<v Speaker 1>showed that it was for everyone. These were talks that

0:31:29.240 --> 0:31:31.520
<v Speaker 1>were open to anyone who wished to attend, and they

0:31:31.520 --> 0:31:35.400
<v Speaker 1>were particularly targeted to adults who, like him, did not

0:31:35.480 --> 0:31:38.480
<v Speaker 1>get a formal education in their youth. And he laid

0:31:38.520 --> 0:31:41.520
<v Speaker 1>out in really easy to understand terms the ideas that

0:31:41.600 --> 0:31:44.400
<v Speaker 1>were being bandied about by the Royal Society, and he

0:31:44.480 --> 0:31:47.280
<v Speaker 1>made clear to any attendees that science was really just

0:31:47.320 --> 0:31:51.640
<v Speaker 1>a matter of observing things, questioning them, and examining evidence.

0:31:52.360 --> 0:31:55.760
<v Speaker 1>His advocacy for education for all was really for all

0:31:55.920 --> 0:31:59.920
<v Speaker 1>not just for men, but also for women. In eighteen seventy,

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<v Speaker 1>he was one of the founders of the London School

0:32:02.920 --> 0:32:06.560
<v Speaker 1>of Medicine for Women. This effort was in conjunction with

0:32:06.680 --> 0:32:09.880
<v Speaker 1>names that have appeared on our show before, including Sofia,

0:32:10.000 --> 0:32:14.160
<v Speaker 1>Jex Blake and Elizabeth Blackwell, the doctor not the botanical

0:32:14.240 --> 0:32:17.560
<v Speaker 1>illustrator that we just talked about. They were also both

0:32:17.600 --> 0:32:21.080
<v Speaker 1>involved in the school's founding. Additionally, he helped put together

0:32:21.160 --> 0:32:24.800
<v Speaker 1>curricula for teachers to teach science so that educators in

0:32:24.920 --> 0:32:28.080
<v Speaker 1>small towns and more rural areas could benefit from the

0:32:28.120 --> 0:32:32.080
<v Speaker 1>same information that was readily available in the cities. At

0:32:32.120 --> 0:32:36.000
<v Speaker 1>the age of sixty eight, Huxley published Evolution and Ethics,

0:32:36.240 --> 0:32:38.440
<v Speaker 1>a book which sought to lay out ways that believing

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<v Speaker 1>in the information that science could show, rather than just

0:32:41.800 --> 0:32:44.960
<v Speaker 1>following religious faith, did not mean that morality was left

0:32:44.960 --> 0:32:48.600
<v Speaker 1>out of the equation. Huxley made the case that ethics

0:32:48.640 --> 0:32:51.160
<v Speaker 1>were a vital part of humankind's survival, and that if

0:32:51.160 --> 0:32:55.000
<v Speaker 1>everyone is treated ethically, both the individual and the larger

0:32:55.040 --> 0:32:57.760
<v Speaker 1>group are going to benefit and have a better outcome.

0:32:58.560 --> 0:33:02.040
<v Speaker 1>Huxley is also often credited with coining the term agnostic,

0:33:02.120 --> 0:33:04.360
<v Speaker 1>and he was definitely using it in his writing by

0:33:04.360 --> 0:33:08.800
<v Speaker 1>the eighteen sixties. Throughout his life he often wrote about

0:33:08.880 --> 0:33:12.160
<v Speaker 1>the unknowability of a supreme being and how justice with

0:33:12.280 --> 0:33:15.720
<v Speaker 1>science a person should look at available evidence when assessing

0:33:15.800 --> 0:33:19.720
<v Speaker 1>matters of morality. In an eighteen eighty nine essay titled

0:33:19.760 --> 0:33:23.560
<v Speaker 1>Agnosticism in Christianity, he wrote, quote, the extent of the

0:33:23.640 --> 0:33:26.520
<v Speaker 1>region of the uncertain, the number of the problems the

0:33:26.520 --> 0:33:30.000
<v Speaker 1>investigation of which ends in a verdict of not proven,

0:33:30.360 --> 0:33:33.800
<v Speaker 1>will vary according to the knowledge and the intellectual habits

0:33:33.840 --> 0:33:37.800
<v Speaker 1>of the individual agnostic. I do not very much care

0:33:37.880 --> 0:33:41.400
<v Speaker 1>to speak of anything as unknowable. What I am sure

0:33:41.440 --> 0:33:43.800
<v Speaker 1>about is that there are many topics about which I

0:33:43.960 --> 0:33:46.560
<v Speaker 1>know nothing, and which, so far as I can see,

0:33:46.800 --> 0:33:50.120
<v Speaker 1>are out of reach of my faculties. He had also

0:33:50.280 --> 0:33:53.880
<v Speaker 1>included a reference to a footnote after the word unknowable,

0:33:54.840 --> 0:33:58.800
<v Speaker 1>which is sort of charming. He says in that footnote quote,

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<v Speaker 1>I confess that long ago I once or twice made

0:34:01.880 --> 0:34:05.160
<v Speaker 1>this mistake, even to the waste of a capital you

0:34:06.040 --> 0:34:08.360
<v Speaker 1>uh and you know, said in eighteen ninety three. So

0:34:08.480 --> 0:34:12.359
<v Speaker 1>basically he went from the unknowable being a capitalized thing

0:34:12.760 --> 0:34:15.440
<v Speaker 1>as being you know, kind of a reference to some

0:34:15.480 --> 0:34:17.719
<v Speaker 1>sort of deity to be like, it doesn't even get

0:34:17.719 --> 0:34:22.000
<v Speaker 1>a capital letter for me anymore. The last dozen years

0:34:22.000 --> 0:34:25.800
<v Speaker 1>of Huxley's life included a series of challenges. His daughter

0:34:25.880 --> 0:34:29.600
<v Speaker 1>Marian started to have mental health issues. She's described as

0:34:29.640 --> 0:34:33.040
<v Speaker 1>having gone mad, although the specifics are not very clear.

0:34:34.000 --> 0:34:36.919
<v Speaker 1>This happened as Huxley was already stretched a bit thin

0:34:37.239 --> 0:34:41.080
<v Speaker 1>after touring North America giving lectures about the connections between

0:34:41.120 --> 0:34:45.239
<v Speaker 1>birds and dinosaurs, and he was still continuously engaged in

0:34:45.239 --> 0:34:48.680
<v Speaker 1>debates about science. He was basically living with a lot

0:34:48.760 --> 0:34:52.160
<v Speaker 1>of stress, and Marian's mental illness really seemed to have

0:34:52.280 --> 0:34:55.200
<v Speaker 1>kind of broken him. Yeah, he lived his life in

0:34:55.239 --> 0:34:58.319
<v Speaker 1>a constant online argument. Basically, everyone was always coming for

0:34:58.400 --> 0:35:01.320
<v Speaker 1>him because they knew he was the mouthpiece of evolution

0:35:01.480 --> 0:35:04.520
<v Speaker 1>and evolutionary science. He had been made President of the

0:35:04.600 --> 0:35:07.120
<v Speaker 1>Royal Society in eighteen eighty three, but he resigned that

0:35:07.200 --> 0:35:10.239
<v Speaker 1>post in eighteen eighty five as his family faced the

0:35:10.280 --> 0:35:12.960
<v Speaker 1>strain of what was going on with Marion. He also

0:35:13.040 --> 0:35:15.880
<v Speaker 1>stopped lecturing, and at that point the Prime Minister, in

0:35:15.960 --> 0:35:19.400
<v Speaker 1>recognition of Huxley's lifetime of work, gave him a state

0:35:19.440 --> 0:35:23.279
<v Speaker 1>pension of twelve hundred pounds a year. His health really

0:35:23.320 --> 0:35:25.800
<v Speaker 1>began to decline by the start of the eighteen nineties.

0:35:26.000 --> 0:35:28.360
<v Speaker 1>He had issues with his lungs in his heart, and

0:35:28.400 --> 0:35:30.760
<v Speaker 1>he moved to the seaside in Sussex in the hopes

0:35:30.800 --> 0:35:33.279
<v Speaker 1>that getting out of London would help. London was having

0:35:33.280 --> 0:35:36.440
<v Speaker 1>a very bad small problem at the time. Thomas Huxley

0:35:36.520 --> 0:35:39.600
<v Speaker 1>died of heart failure on June twenty ninth, eighteen ninety five.

0:35:40.440 --> 0:35:44.239
<v Speaker 1>In nineteen oh seven, Huxley's widow, Henrietta, published a book

0:35:44.280 --> 0:35:47.800
<v Speaker 1>of Thomas's writings that she had selected. It was titled

0:35:47.880 --> 0:35:52.359
<v Speaker 1>Aphorisms and Reflections. She wrote the preface to it, and

0:35:52.560 --> 0:35:58.200
<v Speaker 1>no doubt accidentally bolstered this misunderstanding about what Huxley had

0:35:58.200 --> 0:36:01.319
<v Speaker 1>actually said about the origin of man. But it's a

0:36:01.400 --> 0:36:02.719
<v Speaker 1>lovely tribute to him.

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<v Speaker 2>Quote.

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas Henry Huxley may come to be remembered by the

0:36:06.640 --> 0:36:10.000
<v Speaker 1>public merely as a man who held that we were

0:36:10.000 --> 0:36:14.160
<v Speaker 1>descended from the ape, or as the apostle of Darwinism,

0:36:14.560 --> 0:36:18.680
<v Speaker 1>or as the man who worsted Bishop Wilberforce at Oxford

0:36:19.480 --> 0:36:23.400
<v Speaker 1>to prevent such limitation and to afford more intimate and

0:36:23.480 --> 0:36:26.360
<v Speaker 1>valuable reasons for the remembrance of this man of science

0:36:26.480 --> 0:36:29.320
<v Speaker 1>and lover of his fellow men. I have gathered together

0:36:29.400 --> 0:36:33.640
<v Speaker 1>passages on widely differing themes. Some of the passages were

0:36:33.680 --> 0:36:37.279
<v Speaker 1>picked out for their philosophy, some for their moral guidances,

0:36:38.280 --> 0:36:42.279
<v Speaker 1>some for their scientific exposition of natural facts, or for

0:36:42.360 --> 0:36:45.920
<v Speaker 1>their insight into social questions. Others for their charms of

0:36:46.000 --> 0:36:50.120
<v Speaker 1>imagination are genial humor, and many not the least for

0:36:50.200 --> 0:36:54.360
<v Speaker 1>their pure beauty of lucid English writing. I hope that

0:36:54.400 --> 0:36:57.760
<v Speaker 1>these selections may attract the attention of the working man

0:36:57.960 --> 0:37:02.080
<v Speaker 1>who's caused my husband so ardently espoused, and to whom

0:37:02.160 --> 0:37:04.480
<v Speaker 1>he was the first to reveal, by his free lectures,

0:37:04.560 --> 0:37:08.480
<v Speaker 1>the loveliness of nature, the many rainbow colored rays of science,

0:37:08.920 --> 0:37:12.080
<v Speaker 1>and to show forth to his listeners how all these

0:37:12.120 --> 0:37:15.840
<v Speaker 1>glorious rays unite in the one, pure white light of

0:37:15.960 --> 0:37:20.680
<v Speaker 1>holy truth. They were both very good writers. Yeah, yeah,

0:37:20.760 --> 0:37:22.720
<v Speaker 1>I just feel like hanging out at their house listening

0:37:22.719 --> 0:37:24.000
<v Speaker 1>to them speak must have been terrific.

0:37:24.200 --> 0:37:24.680
<v Speaker 2>Well, and he.

0:37:24.719 --> 0:37:26.720
<v Speaker 1>Thought he was so bad at it because the bees

0:37:26.760 --> 0:37:30.680
<v Speaker 1>never visited. But he was a terrific writer. Just in

0:37:30.680 --> 0:37:35.200
<v Speaker 1>case you were wondering, writer, Aldus Huxley was Thomas Huxley's grandson.

0:37:35.480 --> 0:37:38.200
<v Speaker 1>In fact, several of his grandsons were quite impressive and

0:37:38.239 --> 0:37:43.440
<v Speaker 1>continued Huxley's legacy in science. His grandson Andrew Fielding Huxley

0:37:43.840 --> 0:37:47.040
<v Speaker 1>won the nineteen sixty three Nobel Prize in Physiology or

0:37:47.080 --> 0:37:51.400
<v Speaker 1>Medicine alongside Alan Lloyd Hodgkin and Sir John Carew eccles

0:37:51.480 --> 0:37:55.440
<v Speaker 1>quote for their discoveries concerning the ionic mechanisms involved in

0:37:55.560 --> 0:37:59.840
<v Speaker 1>excitation and inhibition in the peripheral and central portions of

0:38:00.080 --> 0:38:02.880
<v Speaker 1>the nerve cell membrane chip off the old Block. And

0:38:02.960 --> 0:38:07.440
<v Speaker 1>his grandson, Julian Sorel Huxley, was UNESCO's first director and

0:38:07.480 --> 0:38:10.080
<v Speaker 1>one of the founders of the World Wildlife Fund. So

0:38:10.400 --> 0:38:13.359
<v Speaker 1>quite a family to be a part of. Yeah, I

0:38:13.400 --> 0:38:15.760
<v Speaker 1>really like him, and boy do I love his writing.

0:38:16.040 --> 0:38:17.040
<v Speaker 2>He's so quotable.

0:38:17.840 --> 0:38:19.520
<v Speaker 1>I spent a lot of time just reading things he

0:38:19.560 --> 0:38:22.960
<v Speaker 1>wrote that really had no place in the podcast. Yeah,

0:38:23.040 --> 0:38:26.239
<v Speaker 1>you have some listener mail for us I do. This

0:38:26.560 --> 0:38:30.359
<v Speaker 1>is from our listener Melanie, who writes, Hi, First of all,

0:38:30.400 --> 0:38:33.120
<v Speaker 1>I love your podcast. My teenager recently asked me a

0:38:33.200 --> 0:38:35.279
<v Speaker 1>history question, and when I said I didn't know the

0:38:35.320 --> 0:38:36.920
<v Speaker 1>answer and we should look it up, he looked at

0:38:36.960 --> 0:38:38.799
<v Speaker 1>me and said, I thought you would have heard about

0:38:38.800 --> 0:38:41.440
<v Speaker 1>it in that podcast you listened to. I love to

0:38:41.440 --> 0:38:43.320
<v Speaker 1>talk about the things I learn at the dinner table.

0:38:43.600 --> 0:38:45.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure my kids love it as much as

0:38:45.520 --> 0:38:49.400
<v Speaker 1>I too, though. I am writing because recently you shared

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<v Speaker 1>a reader's email about kids and historical clothing, so I

0:38:52.719 --> 0:38:54.400
<v Speaker 1>thought it would be fun to share a few of

0:38:54.440 --> 0:38:58.279
<v Speaker 1>our family holiday card pictures. Back in twenty seventeen, I

0:38:58.400 --> 0:39:01.400
<v Speaker 1>decided I was bored with doing whatever everyone else was

0:39:01.440 --> 0:39:04.080
<v Speaker 1>doing for their cards and opted to use my theater

0:39:04.239 --> 0:39:07.880
<v Speaker 1>costuming background to be a little creative. Each year, I

0:39:07.960 --> 0:39:11.200
<v Speaker 1>choose an era and make historical clothing for my entire family.

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<v Speaker 1>I like to make the card look as close to

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<v Speaker 1>a card or photograph might have in the time it

0:39:16.480 --> 0:39:18.520
<v Speaker 1>is set, or as close to what I imagine they

0:39:18.520 --> 0:39:21.000
<v Speaker 1>would do if they had the technology to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>It has been a very fun journey. I'm sending you

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<v Speaker 1>my three favorite which were hard to choose, as well

0:39:25.840 --> 0:39:28.360
<v Speaker 1>as a picture of our frog for pet tax. We

0:39:28.440 --> 0:39:30.640
<v Speaker 1>have many pets, but I haven't heard anyone sharing a

0:39:30.680 --> 0:39:34.799
<v Speaker 1>frog yet. And Moss, named after Richard Ioaid's character from

0:39:34.800 --> 0:39:39.680
<v Speaker 1>The It Crowd, is adorable. Moss is adorable. These pictures

0:39:39.719 --> 0:39:41.960
<v Speaker 1>of her family are so stink and cute. The one

0:39:42.000 --> 0:39:43.879
<v Speaker 1>that I there were two that I really really love.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, they're all great. One though, is like nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>fifties where for everybody and it looks like they're essentially

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<v Speaker 1>on the first opening day of Disneyland. It's the cutest

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<v Speaker 1>thing you've ever seen in your life. Another is them

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<v Speaker 1>in Victorian bathing costs, which is also near and dear

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<v Speaker 1>to my heart. And then there's a third one where

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<v Speaker 1>they might have been hobbits. I'm not remembering because I

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<v Speaker 1>printed them out and I looked at them, but we

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<v Speaker 1>have since been on flights that made my brain break

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<v Speaker 1>and my print out came out like my printer just

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<v Speaker 1>had a fit. But that frog sure is cute. Moss

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<v Speaker 1>is real cute. I have not watched the It Crowd

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<v Speaker 1>me neither, but I like that frog, and you love frogs.

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<v Speaker 1>I just think they're precious.

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<v Speaker 2>They are.

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