WEBVTT - Unshrinking Youth

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<v Speaker 1>Good morning, peepson. Welcome to WIKA app Daily with Meet

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<v Speaker 1>your Girl Danielle Moody. Prerecording from the Long Island Bunker. Folks,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really excited to bring you a little interview that

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<v Speaker 1>I did, and I say little because it was roughly

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<v Speaker 1>ten minutes um that I did with a young queer

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<v Speaker 1>person who is part of the It Gets Better campaign's

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<v Speaker 1>youth summit that happened earlier in November. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>for far too long, we have conversations right that are

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<v Speaker 1>talking about LGBTQ youth as opposed to actually speaking too

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<v Speaker 1>LBTQ youth. They have been used as political footballs. They

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<v Speaker 1>have been used for target practice by the far right.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't even want to call them the far right,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just Republicans, right, Like, if you are at this

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<v Speaker 1>day and age, if you're still wearing the label proudly

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<v Speaker 1>a Republican, then you are a homophobe, a transphobe, a racist,

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<v Speaker 1>a misogynist, because that's what the Republican Party stands for.

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<v Speaker 1>When we look around the nation right now, at the

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, folks, the swath of anti LGBTQ legislation, all

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<v Speaker 1>of which in very big ways are directed at LGBTQ

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<v Speaker 1>youth or their families. You look at the legislation that

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<v Speaker 1>was rolled out in Texas, which was an anti transpiece

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<v Speaker 1>of legislation that was going to criminalize right parents for

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<v Speaker 1>providing life affirming healthcare for their children. You look at

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<v Speaker 1>the policies that are rolled out in Florida and the

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<v Speaker 1>way that Lauren Bobert said that they should be nationalized

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<v Speaker 1>so that we can go back to an error where

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<v Speaker 1>we can't even utter the word gay, that we can't

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<v Speaker 1>even say LGBTQ. There were horrific stories of teachers needing

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<v Speaker 1>to take down They're safe space stickers in their classrooms

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<v Speaker 1>that were rainbows that identify them as a safe haven

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<v Speaker 1>four young people inside of that school, right, And we've

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<v Speaker 1>seen those removed. So, you know, I think that it

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<v Speaker 1>is really important for us to be in conversation with

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<v Speaker 1>youth about how they are being affected by what is

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<v Speaker 1>happening to them. So in a series of interviews that

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<v Speaker 1>I will do over the course of this week, I

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<v Speaker 1>will chat with two young people, one who is seventeen

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<v Speaker 1>years old who is coming up next, Riss Robinson, who

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<v Speaker 1>is a senior in high school at and living in Alabama,

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<v Speaker 1>and then another interview that I will have later in

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<v Speaker 1>the week with a fifteen year old non binary artist

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<v Speaker 1>and then the leader, the education coordinator for the It

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<v Speaker 1>Gets Better project to talk about why it Gets Better

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<v Speaker 1>and our and other organizations directed at youth are so

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<v Speaker 1>critical at this moment and this time, and I got

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<v Speaker 1>to tell you, you know, for those folks who don't

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<v Speaker 1>know my own personal coming out story, I came out

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<v Speaker 1>when initially when I was twelve, to my sister, and

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<v Speaker 1>I remember we were on a family vacation and we

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<v Speaker 1>were sitting on the rooftop of the hotel that we

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<v Speaker 1>were staying at, and I had been trying to work

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<v Speaker 1>up the courage to tell my sister at this time

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<v Speaker 1>that I thought that I was bisexual. And my sister,

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<v Speaker 1>for folks who don't know, is five years older than me.

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<v Speaker 1>So if I'm twelve, right, she's roughly seventeen eighteen, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>getting ready to turn eighteen years old. And thankfully, the

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<v Speaker 1>first person that I ever told, my sister, met my

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<v Speaker 1>fear and anxiety with nothing but love and compassion. I

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<v Speaker 1>remember coming out to her and I had tears in

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<v Speaker 1>my eyes and I said, I think that I'm bisexual.

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<v Speaker 1>I know definitely that I like girls, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>I also still like boys. And my sister looked at

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<v Speaker 1>me and she said, I have no idea why you're crying.

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<v Speaker 1>Half of my friends are by, and we had a

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<v Speaker 1>good laugh about that. That initial reaction to my truth

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<v Speaker 1>right would be the foundation for how over the course

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<v Speaker 1>of the next several years it wouldn't be for another

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<v Speaker 1>nine years that I would come out to my parents,

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<v Speaker 1>and this time say you know that I am a lesbian.

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<v Speaker 1>I would come out to friends, you know, new friends

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<v Speaker 1>and old friends, you know, in between that twelve year

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<v Speaker 1>old me and then you know, young adult me that

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<v Speaker 1>would finally come out to my parents. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>even when I came out to my parents, who were

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<v Speaker 1>so beside themselves, and the only reason why they were

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<v Speaker 1>beside themselves was because of the world that we live in,

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<v Speaker 1>not because they didn't love me, not because I came

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<v Speaker 1>from a religious family that was going to throw me

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<v Speaker 1>out of the house or you know, throw the Bible

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<v Speaker 1>at me or any of those things, but because my mother,

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<v Speaker 1>and I've written about this and spoken about it so

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<v Speaker 1>many times, said you're already a woman, and you're already black.

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<v Speaker 1>What else do you want against you? Right? And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in hindsight and even just you know, days later, I

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<v Speaker 1>recognize that my parents' reactions were ones that were coming

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<v Speaker 1>from fear. They just didn't want their daughter to experience

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<v Speaker 1>any more pain, any more sadness, loneliness, grief, depression because

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<v Speaker 1>of wanting to live an authentic and true life and

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<v Speaker 1>knowing that at that time this is society that we

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<v Speaker 1>were living in was not welcoming at all. So part

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<v Speaker 1>of me, as now a queer adult, when speaking with

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<v Speaker 1>these young people, part of me is just so in

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<v Speaker 1>awe of them, so in awe of their courage, their authenticity,

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<v Speaker 1>because again, you know, I wasn't out and queer in

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<v Speaker 1>elementary school or in high school. I think the average

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<v Speaker 1>age now young people coming out is around twelve and

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen years old. And I think about the uniformity, right,

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<v Speaker 1>just the assimilation that is expected of young people just

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<v Speaker 1>to fit in, and all the ways that we shrink

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<v Speaker 1>ourselves in order to fit into other people's ideas of

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<v Speaker 1>who we should be. So the fact that you can

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<v Speaker 1>be so young and so clear about who you are

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<v Speaker 1>and about how you want to show up in the world,

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<v Speaker 1>I think is so critical for us to understand that

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<v Speaker 1>when we listen to these politicians that are supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>be the adults in the room, that are telling young

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<v Speaker 1>people that are very clear about who they are, how

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<v Speaker 1>they want to identify what is inside of their heart,

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<v Speaker 1>and expressing to them that all they're looking for is

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<v Speaker 1>dignity and respect. All they're looking for is to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to live their lives openly and proudly without obstacle

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<v Speaker 1>or oppression. And how dare someone tell you that you

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<v Speaker 1>don't deserve that dignity or respect, that I'm not going

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<v Speaker 1>to respect your pronouns, that I'm not going to respect

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<v Speaker 1>your sexual orientation, right, Like, think about how fucking crazy

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<v Speaker 1>it is when these idiot politicians and you know, Republican

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<v Speaker 1>leaders come out and say and make jokes about pronouns

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<v Speaker 1>and make jokes about who people are and how they

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<v Speaker 1>show up. Who the fuck are you that gets to

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<v Speaker 1>decide how other people should be able to exist. If

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<v Speaker 1>you can be free to be a fucking bigot, right,

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<v Speaker 1>then other people should be free to live inside of

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<v Speaker 1>their own fucking skins. Right. So I say that to

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<v Speaker 1>say that it was really enjoyable speaking with these young people,

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<v Speaker 1>hearing their perspectives and understanding that I've spent and debticated

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<v Speaker 1>a large part of my career to fighting for justice

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<v Speaker 1>and equity for all people, but particularly BIPOP people, particularly black,

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<v Speaker 1>Indigenous people of color LGBTQ people, people who live at

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<v Speaker 1>the intersection of multiple identities. And to know that they

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<v Speaker 1>are still fighting, but fighting with a strength in their back,

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<v Speaker 1>with their heads held high, knowing definitively who they are

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<v Speaker 1>makes me so proud, makes me so proud, and makes

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<v Speaker 1>me feel like the work that I've done in my

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<v Speaker 1>life hasn't been in vain. So I really hope that

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<v Speaker 1>you all listen to these interviews and the conversations that

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<v Speaker 1>I've had, take these young people seriously and understand that

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<v Speaker 1>while they may be young, they know a lot more

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<v Speaker 1>than we give them credit for. So this is my

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<v Speaker 1>first interview with Riis Robinson, who attended It Gets Better

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<v Speaker 1>Youth Summit earlier this month. Folks, I'm really excited to

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<v Speaker 1>introduce you to a few young people that I have

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<v Speaker 1>the opportunity to speak with on woke f First up

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<v Speaker 1>is Aris Robinson, who is a black, non binary and

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<v Speaker 1>queer activists. Their biggest passion is dedicating their life and

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<v Speaker 1>fighting for liberation and accessibility in all areas. This led

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<v Speaker 1>them to be the president of their high school Gender

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<v Speaker 1>Sexuality Alliance and the group of young people that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to be speaking to all participated in the youth

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<v Speaker 1>summit for the It Gets Better Project. Aris, thank you

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<v Speaker 1>so much for making the time to join woke F

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<v Speaker 1>So first I just want to ask you, what was

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<v Speaker 1>your experience at the summit, Like, how was that? I

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<v Speaker 1>had an amazing experience at the sum It was my

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<v Speaker 1>first time in Los Angeles and I'm from the deep

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<v Speaker 1>South Migomery, Alabama, so going to the West Coast was

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<v Speaker 1>something totally new for me and a really exciting experience.

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<v Speaker 1>I got to meet so many people, especially the whole

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<v Speaker 1>It's Better team. They were so nice and affirming and

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<v Speaker 1>they made me feel welcome and any like room I

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<v Speaker 1>was in m I. It was very the whole space

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<v Speaker 1>was very sensory friendly, and as a neurodivergent person, that

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<v Speaker 1>made me feel even more welcome that I could um

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<v Speaker 1>like fidget and um color and not have to have

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<v Speaker 1>like my have to have my full attention on one thing,

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<v Speaker 1>but I could like relax and be my full self

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<v Speaker 1>in the space. I got to do my very first

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<v Speaker 1>in person interview and a photo shoot, and I got

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<v Speaker 1>to meet all of the other youth voices and they

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<v Speaker 1>were really I loved my new friends and they're really

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<v Speaker 1>great people to work with. A main saying, so tell

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<v Speaker 1>me what what are some of the things that you

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<v Speaker 1>discussed that you all were discussing at the youth Summit

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<v Speaker 1>and what was it like to be for the first

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<v Speaker 1>time I'm assuming surrounded by like minded young people who

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<v Speaker 1>were identify as queer or as allies. One of the

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<v Speaker 1>one of my favorite topics that we talked about was

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<v Speaker 1>queer Sex Said. It Says Better has a new Queer

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<v Speaker 1>Sex Said series and we got to watch it together

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<v Speaker 1>as a group and make this toolbox of different terms

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<v Speaker 1>and different things that industry could improve on. And I

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<v Speaker 1>really love being a part of that conversation because reproductive

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<v Speaker 1>justice is one of my biggest passions to activate for

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<v Speaker 1>advocate for. So being able to get my input on

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<v Speaker 1>consent and contraceptives and hearing other people's perspectives, especially from

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<v Speaker 1>different size of the world and like different opinions, it

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<v Speaker 1>really kind of opened my eyes to different perspect is

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<v Speaker 1>and being able to all come together and make this

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<v Speaker 1>one big toolbox that somebody could be used, may or

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<v Speaker 1>may not. But it was really exciting to be surrounded

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<v Speaker 1>by all these different people and talk about something that

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<v Speaker 1>I really like talking about. What do you think that

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<v Speaker 1>older people get wrong when they think about queer youth

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<v Speaker 1>and they're talking about queer youth. I think that in

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of ways, young queer people are being used

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<v Speaker 1>as the term that we use as a political football,

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<v Speaker 1>not being seen as real people, and just being seen

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<v Speaker 1>as statistics. So what do you think that older people

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<v Speaker 1>are getting wrong? I think older people, especially people who

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<v Speaker 1>are not in the not working constantly with lgbtqs, I

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<v Speaker 1>think they could humanize us a little bit. I think

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<v Speaker 1>they just kind of think we're just there and then

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<v Speaker 1>we see then we see us in articles about advocacy.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't see us as human they just see it's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>they're they're mad about this, they're mad about that, they're

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<v Speaker 1>mad about this, and said, but we're actually students, we

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<v Speaker 1>are athletes, we're friends, we're peers, and we're so much

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<v Speaker 1>more than just an activist. And I think when you

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<v Speaker 1>think when you think about Elsbe's youth as more than

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<v Speaker 1>a political pond, then I think, um, older, older adults

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<v Speaker 1>would realize that they have we have needs just like

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<v Speaker 1>everyone else, and we're not trying to be mad at

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<v Speaker 1>every little issue. It's just this world is not made

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<v Speaker 1>for us. And I think that once they realize, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>these people are struggling, then I think we can probably

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<v Speaker 1>move forward in some of the issues that we're still

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<v Speaker 1>fighting today. You know, you mentioned that you are live

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<v Speaker 1>in the Deep South. You are living in Alabama, and

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<v Speaker 1>oftentimes when we when we talk about the South, we

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<v Speaker 1>kind of blanket it with one image, one idea of

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<v Speaker 1>what is going on there, and so tell us a

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<v Speaker 1>bit about what it's like to be young, black and

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<v Speaker 1>queer in Alabama. Being in Alabama was not my choice.

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<v Speaker 1>I moved here. Um, I think seven years ago. M

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<v Speaker 1>I came into fifth I came here in fifth grade,

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<v Speaker 1>and now I'm in twelfth, twelfth grade. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>I've I'm more used, I'm more used to I'm more

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<v Speaker 1>a city person. Sorry, I'm a city person. So being

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<v Speaker 1>in such a slower lifestyle isn't isn't my personal thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that I'm not constantly getting harassed for my

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<v Speaker 1>race or my sexuality. I think that's one of the

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<v Speaker 1>bigger misconceptions that um, there are just people like shouting

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<v Speaker 1>at me or this insulting me wherever I go, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's not the truth. I've found such a beautiful queer

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<v Speaker 1>community here in Alabama, whether it be my school GSA

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<v Speaker 1>that I personally run and I make a space for

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<v Speaker 1>the queer youth to feel safe, or it be up

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<v Speaker 1>in Birmingham with the Magic City Acceptance Center that I

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<v Speaker 1>go to at least a couple a couple of days

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<v Speaker 1>a month to spend time with other queer youths. So

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<v Speaker 1>I think that another miscresception is that we don't have

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<v Speaker 1>these spaces, and I think it's important to know that

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<v Speaker 1>we do, and that for other queer people in Alabama

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<v Speaker 1>to know that these spaces exist so they can reach

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<v Speaker 1>out and try to get some help and find these

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<v Speaker 1>spaces that I have that also they can use. What

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<v Speaker 1>advice do you have or for other young people who

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<v Speaker 1>live in red states or who have not sought out

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<v Speaker 1>different centers or places that they can go to find

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<v Speaker 1>safe haven to find in community, what advice do you

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<v Speaker 1>have for them? I think my biggest advice would be

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<v Speaker 1>to reach out to online resources if that's available to

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<v Speaker 1>them I think most people try to find in person spaces,

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<v Speaker 1>but there are a lot of chat chat spaces, phone lines,

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<v Speaker 1>zoom communities that they all get together monthly weekly that

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<v Speaker 1>they can reach out to and have some some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of community, whether it be even though it's not in person,

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<v Speaker 1>it's still there for them. And I've found my um

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<v Speaker 1>Christian queer youth community online and it's it's queer and

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<v Speaker 1>there's all these different perspectives and they support me. And

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<v Speaker 1>even though it's not a place where I can go

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<v Speaker 1>in and sit down, it's still a place where I

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<v Speaker 1>feel accepted. And I think other queer youth can go

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<v Speaker 1>online and try to like research and find these spaces

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<v Speaker 1>to like to participate in. And one of the things

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<v Speaker 1>that I was reading in your bio and you just

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned is that you are you do do Christian advocacy

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<v Speaker 1>as a queer person. Can you also explain that and

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the work that you do in this space,

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<v Speaker 1>in the religious space as well as in the queer space,

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<v Speaker 1>and how they intersect. I think a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>try to separate queerness and Christianity or any type of

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<v Speaker 1>Abrahamic religion when it comes to all the BTQ people,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think that people kind of group it into evangelism,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's not that's not the whole of Christianity. I

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<v Speaker 1>personally believe in like a liberation theology where we can

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<v Speaker 1>where I connect stories from the Bible and kind of

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<v Speaker 1>interpret it as a social justice story. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's one of the things that's helped me to see

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<v Speaker 1>Christianity in a better life when in a time where

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<v Speaker 1>Christianity wasn't my favorite thing in the world and people

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<v Speaker 1>were telling me, oh, this is a thing, Oh you

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<v Speaker 1>can't do this, you can't do that. And I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like having my own relationship with a higher like a

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<v Speaker 1>higher power as one of the things that helped me personally.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't think that queer people should shy away

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<v Speaker 1>from religion, but find out what works for them and

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<v Speaker 1>also know that they you don't have to believe in

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<v Speaker 1>what other people say. You should believe in and kind

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<v Speaker 1>of seek out your own truth in a way. If

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<v Speaker 1>you had one message to give to people to help

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<v Speaker 1>them better understand the state of queer youth right now,

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<v Speaker 1>what would it be. I think queer youth right now

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<v Speaker 1>are still fighting. I don't think even though even though

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<v Speaker 1>we do, we are humans. We are still activists and

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<v Speaker 1>we're both and we have feelings and we have to

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<v Speaker 1>advocate just to exist in a space. But we also

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<v Speaker 1>have to get good. You have to keep up our

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<v Speaker 1>grades and socialize and apply for colleges like I'm doing

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<v Speaker 1>right now. So I think people should know that they

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<v Speaker 1>should encourage us and be in solidariated with us and

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<v Speaker 1>check out our mental health because there are a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of things going on in the world right now that

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<v Speaker 1>are not that are horrific and traumatizing, and we need

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<v Speaker 1>that support system from everybody else who's insolidary and allying

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<v Speaker 1>with us. Ris, thank you so much for taking the

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<v Speaker 1>time to join Woke app. Thank you for the advocacy

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<v Speaker 1>that you're doing in your own life, in your school

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<v Speaker 1>and creating space for young queer people. I really appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for having me on your podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>That is it for me today, dear friends on woke app.

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<v Speaker 1>As always, power to the people and to all of people. Power,

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<v Speaker 1>get woke and stay woke as fuck.