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Friday Friday, 9 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: another addition of the Fifth Hour with Ben Maller, because hey, 10 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:47,919 Speaker 1: four hours a night in the overnight or not enough. 11 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:51,239 Speaker 1: We thank you for finding the podcast, subscribing to the podcast, 12 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: telling friends about the podcast. We do this eight days 13 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: a week in a spinoff of the Overnight Show. An 14 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: overnight show, so every Friday we try to catch up 15 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: with someone that we like or someone that we know, 16 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 1: and it's a chance to do something we don't normally 17 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: do in the overnight. We don't normally do that, we 18 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: don't have an opportunity to have people come and hang 19 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: out with us. We're on the middle of the night. 20 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: Management wants us to do a show around calls and 21 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: and hot takes and so that's what we do. So 22 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: this is a chance to get out of our Norman 23 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:28,559 Speaker 1: this week. I am excited. Now. I am a baseball guy. 24 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: I'm a baseball guy, and I remember as a kid 25 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: watching baseball. This is the guy we have on today. 26 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: Is a person that I watched as a kid. He 27 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 1: was at the end of his career, but is someone 28 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: that is in a very small, very small group of 29 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: people in the history of the modern world that has 30 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: had a medical procedure named after them. And I am 31 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: referring to Tommy John. Now, if you're of a certain age, 32 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: you know who Tommy John is. But if you're younger, 33 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: you're like, I know Tommy John, Tommy John surgery. Yeah, 34 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: he's the guy that was patient zero for Tommy John surgery. Obviously, 35 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,359 Speaker 1: and that has become the norm if you have an 36 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: arm injury. Tommy John surgery is just a routine procedure. 37 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 1: But it wasn't. It was an exploratory procedure when Tommy 38 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: John was pitching. Played twenty six years in the big leagues, 39 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: a lot of years with the Yankees. Pitched mostly with 40 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: the Yankees, the White Sox, and the Dodgers, along with 41 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:32,839 Speaker 1: some other stops along the way and when games he's 42 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: not being in the Hall of him I'm actually gonna 43 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: make my pitch here because wins twenty six years. People 44 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 1: say that's not enough, but I will make my pitch 45 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: to Tommy the man himself. Why. I think he's got 46 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: a strong case to get in for the Veterans Committee 47 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: for the Hall of Fame. And we'll obviously get to 48 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: the medical procedure as well. So I am excited to 49 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: talk to a baseball legend of my youth, someone I 50 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: grew up watching. I was watching this Weekend Baseball and 51 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: Tommy John would change teams. Mel Allen was in twib notes. 52 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: We'll talk about Tommy John is on the move, and 53 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 1: we are joined by the man, the myth, the legend himself, 54 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: the great Tommy John, joining us here on the fifth 55 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 1: Hour with Ben Mallory. Tommy, welcome, and let's start with this. 56 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: How have you been What have you been up to 57 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: here recently? How long is the show? Do you have 58 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: enough time? Oh? We have endless amounts of time. Tommy, 59 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: please come on, this is a podcast. We can go forever. Okay, December, 60 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: I contracted COVID and my wife the same thing. We 61 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: both had COVID and I fell out of bed, hit 62 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: my head on the end table, on the on the nightstand, 63 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: cut my head open, Take me to the hospital, patch 64 00:03:54,560 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 1: me up. Three days later I fall again. They I've 65 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: been to the hospital. This this happened five times. And 66 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: you know, as I'm getting, as I'm getting over COVID 67 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:20,239 Speaker 1: and all that, um, I contracted a thing called gian 68 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: Barre syndrome. And if you look it up, gian Barre 69 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 1: syndrome paralyzes your lower extremities. Wow, you've had a tough 70 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 1: time here recently. And then um, well it's just you know, 71 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 1: but I'm over it now. And despite what Dr Fauci says, 72 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 1: I'm not going to get vaccinated because I've got all 73 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 1: the antibodies and in my body. And my wife had 74 00:04:54,279 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 1: COVID also, and she had pneumonia with her. But you know, so, 75 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: so what was it? I mean, tell me, iously, you're 76 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: you're a little older now, you you play a long 77 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,799 Speaker 1: time in the big leads. How how bad was your 78 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: experience with COVID or obviously you said you had a 79 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 1: lot of side effects. You filled down a lot. I mean, 80 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: how you've been sick before. I'm sure at other point 81 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 1: in your life, like, how does this rank among other 82 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 1: illnesses that you had? Well, let me put it to 83 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 1: you this way. I came within a phone call of dying. Wow. 84 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: My wife. My wife called the hospital out here and said, 85 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: you gotta he's gotta have because they worked attacking the problem, 86 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: you know. Oh well, yeah, he's okay, so send him home. 87 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: To send him home. They finally said, you know, look 88 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 1: if we can't keep him here, so we're gonna send 89 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: him to a nursing home in Banning. Wow. And my 90 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: wife gets on the phone and shell calls a doctor 91 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: at usc Keeck Medical Center and gave him all my 92 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: all my information and she and he said, whoa, he's 93 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: got a blood clot someplace. So they sent a in 94 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: an ambulance for me from Indio to check, which is 95 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 1: about hour and minute drive. I get in, They take 96 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: me right into the operating room. They put a capital 97 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: uh through my growing into my lungs and I had 98 00:06:55,160 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: two huge blood clots on both lobes of my my line, 99 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: upper and lower. Wow. And once they broke it up, 100 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, my breathing came back and I 101 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: so I had this lady that is my wife. She 102 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: saved my life because if I would have listened to 103 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: the hospital here in tom Springs, I probably would be 104 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: dead right now. Wow, I mean you weren't kidding, Tommy. 105 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: You were not kidding when you when you said you 106 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: had a lot to say. That is uh, that is 107 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: an amazing roller coaster. I did not I got when 108 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: I was very excited, you know, I'm I'm really I 109 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: was looking forward this. I did not expect that. I 110 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: had no idea that any of this happened to you. 111 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: I feel so terrible that you had to go through that, Tommy. 112 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: That's horrible man. But you know, um, like I said, 113 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: Cheryl and I both have the handad bodies in our system, 114 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: and so um yeah, all the all the craft that's 115 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: going on now, I just I shake my head and 116 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, it can't be that tough. It really can. Well, um, 117 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: it's always tough to transition. I I I know, I 118 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: want to talk baseball talk. I don't know, you know, 119 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: I mean, is that okay? Alright? Alright? Um, I guess. 120 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: I mean you've been through a lot of medical stuff 121 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: here recently. How much how much baseball do you still 122 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: watch these days? And you played like almost thirty years 123 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: in the big leagues. None I watched none. Yeah, and 124 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: why is that? It's not the game that I played? Yeah, 125 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: and you play You've got all these computer geniuses and 126 00:08:55,920 --> 00:09:00,839 Speaker 1: the analytics and all this. I would have a manager 127 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:05,079 Speaker 1: or a pitching coach call one pitch for me and 128 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: make me throw it. I'd walk off the mound, throw 129 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: my glove at him and say see you later. I'll 130 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: pitch the way I want to pitch, the way I 131 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: feel I have to pitch, not the way some numbers 132 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: said that. You know, yeah, at plus who was it? 133 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: Um might have been last year how to shut out? 134 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 1: And he got two out in the seventh inning and 135 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: they pulled him out of the game. You would have 136 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: put you you would have tried to pull me out 137 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: of the game with a shutout and two outs in 138 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 1: the seventh inning. There would have been a fist fight 139 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: on the mountain. Yeah, and you but you know, it's 140 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: just it's not played the same way. Yeah. And what 141 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: about when did the You'd be the perfect guy to 142 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 1: ask to because you played in the sixties and the 143 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: seventies and the eighties, when would the when did the 144 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: hundred pitch thing become the barometer where if you get 145 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 1: around a hundred pitches, you gotta get out of the game. 146 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,199 Speaker 1: You can't be in the game anyway. Was that around 147 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: in your days or did that start you know, started 148 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: a little a little after me, okay, And I don't 149 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 1: know why. Maybe they looked at the number of pitches 150 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: that the guys threw and when they started to fall 151 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 1: you know, when they're pitching abilla, they started to fall off, 152 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: and it was around the hundred pitch mark. I but 153 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 1: you know how to get out of that now it's 154 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: through the hundred pitches. Yeah, I threw a baseball off 155 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: the mound to a catcher every day I was on 156 00:10:53,480 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: the field. I didn't pitch the night threw And the 157 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: more you throw like that, the more you your I 158 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: get stronger. Yeah, what's the most get stronger? How do 159 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:14,959 Speaker 1: you how do you get your arms? It's not lifting weights, 160 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: it's not doing bands, it's not doing towel drills, it's 161 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: not doing all this. It's throwing a baseball. Yeah, what's 162 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:26,599 Speaker 1: the most time? What's the most pitches? You know? I 163 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: don't know, they didn't really, I guess keep pitch counts. 164 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: Earlier in your career, I would think, but what's the 165 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 1: most pitches you were called throwing roughly like a ballpark 166 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: figure in it. Wow, that's it's like double what they 167 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 1: more than double what they do the days. And what 168 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:50,199 Speaker 1: about now you pitch twenty six years in the big 169 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: things and so now the big thing. And I loved 170 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: your I agree with you on analyst. I'm not totally 171 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,559 Speaker 1: against analysts, but I think there has to be field 172 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: of the game that has to be part of it. 173 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: And it's got two are to analytics. But when you 174 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: would get through the third time through the order, like 175 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,079 Speaker 1: you know, that's that's always the big thing these days 176 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: with the people freak out when you go through the 177 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: third time through, Like what was your mindset back in 178 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: those days, because now it's like people start losing their 179 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 1: mind when you have to get to that third time 180 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: through the order. No, I'll knew what I threw these guys. Um. 181 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: I had a manager back with the White Sox. His 182 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:31,559 Speaker 1: name was Eddie Stanky. He knew nothing about pitching, nothing, 183 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 1: but he called me in I I pitched the game 184 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: against the Yankees. He called me into the office the 185 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: next day and he said, young man, sit down here, 186 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: and I went, oh god, what did I do? He said, 187 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: let's go over last night's game. Okay, what do you 188 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: first hit? Or what do you do? Uh? Grounded the 189 00:12:55,840 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 1: short stop. What was the count? Uh? Uh? And I 190 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 1: couldn't get four or five innings and I couldn't go. 191 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: He said, Okay, we're gonna do this again. You should 192 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: be able to go through first hitter to your last 193 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: hitter and go. The count was three and two and 194 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: and that showed me there that I can face you 195 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 1: four times. And just because I'm facing you four times 196 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that you've got a better chance to hit 197 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: hit me. It's if I make good pitches, it's going 198 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 1: to be the same. You're gonna have a hard time 199 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: hitting me. Yeah, but if I make mistakes. If I 200 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: make mistakes, then whether it's the first time or the 201 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: fifth time or whatever, you're going to hit the ball hard. Yeah. 202 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: And it's always that guessing game, right. I mean, you, 203 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: as the picture have the advantage because you know the 204 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: hitter doesn't know what's coming you. You know what you're 205 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 1: gonna pitch, so you have the you know. And the 206 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:11,679 Speaker 1: thing that I did is I I um, if I 207 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: got you out and I got you on sinkers and 208 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: your your third time up and I hadn't thrown you 209 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: a curveball yet. Why would I throw you a curveball 210 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: If I'm getting you out with sinkers away? You have 211 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: not adjusted to my pitches. You know, pitching is adjustment. 212 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: You throw a sinker away and the right hander goes 213 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: out there and maybe doesn't hit it, but goes after 214 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: it blowing away. Okay, now you gotta get him back 215 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: off that, so you gotta throw something up and end 216 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: middle end curveball in you know you you you gotta 217 00:14:55,960 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: keep him away from the outside corner. And uh, it's 218 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: just it's just keeping track of what you of what 219 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: you're doing. You know, you faced the guy two times 220 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: you go slinker. You're throwing in fifteen pitches all slinkers, 221 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: and now you go out and you throw him a 222 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: got off a curveball. It's probably gonna take it because 223 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: he hasn't seen it. So why would you throw him curveball? 224 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: First pitch, second pitch? You throw it where you got 225 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: two strikes. So yeah, yeah, for sure, I'm right. I'm 226 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: right there with you. I mean, you know better than 227 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: any but you did it. You lived the life for 228 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: for all those years and and and since you've retired, 229 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: you know, back in the eighties. Now it's gone completely 230 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: the opposite where they like they have this defeatist attitude 231 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: with pictures where if you get to a hundred pitchers, 232 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: you gotta take you out of the game, and if 233 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: you can't go third times through the lineup. Be sure 234 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: to catch live editions of The Ben Miller Show weekdays 235 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: at two am. But isn't it more of an issue Tommy, 236 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: where it's like the the pictures today when they're coming 237 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: up in high school and in college and the minor leagues, 238 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: they're they're taught this, like this is what they know, 239 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: right you were You were not taught this? You Yeah, well, 240 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: you're absolutely like they're they're taught three times through, they're done. 241 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: So when you lower the bar of expectations, you will 242 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: pitch to those expectations. Yeah, for sure. Um, and now 243 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: some of the other things, and you say, don't watch 244 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: baseball anymore. It's a different game. But I know you're 245 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: aware that they added a a ghost runner. They're gonna 246 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: get rid of it next year, they say, but they've 247 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: the last two years here they've had a ghost runner 248 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: in extra inning stuffy that just a runner magically appears 249 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: at second base when you get to the tenth inning. 250 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: It's very, very bizarre. And what was the reasoning on that, Well, 251 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: they didn't want the games to go They thought the 252 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: games are going too long long, and they said they 253 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: you know, they used how is that, I think I'm 254 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 1: part called more strikes. Yeah, the strike zone, Yo, strike one, 255 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 1: strike two, ye, strike three, You're gone, let's go boom 256 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 1: next guy. But they've got the strike zone so tight. Uh, 257 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,880 Speaker 1: it's just you know, and then they then they want 258 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: the games to go along quicker. Well that's hard to do, yeah, 259 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,120 Speaker 1: but it's it's almost like they want both things though, 260 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: because they want, you know, for television, for the for television, 261 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: they need to sell commercial times, so they need the 262 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 1: games to go a certain amount of time. But then 263 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,479 Speaker 1: they also say, well, it's like the pace of the 264 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: game and all that. But I'm right there. You know, 265 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: obviously you're biased time because you're pitched as a strike. 266 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: You want the bigger strikes. But I agree. I think 267 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: one of the biggest problems with baseball is every hitter 268 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: now you get paid to walk. That's as big as thing. 269 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:00,880 Speaker 1: You know, home runs and what the read true outcomes 270 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:04,400 Speaker 1: to baseball? Home run, walk, strike out for hitters these days, 271 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: that's the analytical crowd and and nobody. And the other 272 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,439 Speaker 1: thing is nobody ever chokes up on the bat, Tommy. 273 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: This this drives me insane. When you have you know, 274 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: runner on third base and you know, two outs, runner 275 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 1: onund segment whatever, they don't just choke up trying to 276 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:19,439 Speaker 1: get a base in. They're still trying to hit the 277 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: ball to the upper deck. It drives me nut to drive. Yeah, 278 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: you're absolutely correct, Yeah, it's it's frustrating. Um So, now 279 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: you you came up with Cleveland, correct. I mean I 280 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: think of you as a Dodger and a Yankee, you 281 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: know when I was, you know, a kid, but you 282 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 1: you can't play with the Yankees. You mentioned the White 283 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 1: Sox the Cleveland Indians last week and asked they will 284 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 1: no longer be the Cleveland Indians. They're changing their name 285 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 1: to the Cleveland Guardians. As someone that came up with 286 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 1: the Cleveland Indians, Tommy, what was your reaction to that news. 287 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 1: I just this whole thing is is so screwed up. 288 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 1: Uh M. A Indian is an Indian. There's nothing racial 289 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 1: about it. That's what they are. They're in India. You 290 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:16,360 Speaker 1: know a guide born in India. He's an Indian. Yeah, 291 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: you're an Indian. Uh, You're you have Native American blood 292 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:25,120 Speaker 1: in you. You're an Indian. It doesn't mean that you're 293 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 1: going to scalp somebody for peace's sake. But I think 294 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: I think he's got to get his head out of it. 295 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: But too, I'm not a big fan Rob Manford. You 296 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 1: the community, I'm right there with you. I'm right he's done. Boy, 297 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: We've I've sent a lot of nights Tommy on the 298 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 1: overnight ranting and raving about Rob Manford the commissioner of 299 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:54,479 Speaker 1: of Baseball. So yeah, but I don't see it changing anytime. 300 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: A lot of stuff going on right now. It just 301 00:19:56,440 --> 00:20:00,200 Speaker 1: is yeah, wild, But I think we're on the the 302 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:01,880 Speaker 1: same page on some of that. So when when I 303 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: was when I was younger, you remember you played with 304 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: the Yankees, uh and in the Dodgers. As I said, 305 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: when I was a kid, and you played for the 306 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: Yankees in the eighties and the seventies with with George 307 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: Steinbrenner as the owner, I heard amazing tales as a 308 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 1: kid about you know how crazy George Steinbrenner was as 309 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 1: an owner. How wild he was when you were playing 310 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 1: for the Yankees. You do you have a really good 311 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:27,159 Speaker 1: story about George Steinbrenner. Is that all media hype and 312 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 1: it's not true the way it's portrayed and the way 313 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 1: I read it as a kid. Nope, it's true. So 314 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 1: really what it was the Bronze When I was where 315 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 1: it was, I uh oh. We were in Fort Lauderdale 316 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: with the Yankees trained in Fort Lauderdale and Hank Steinbrenner, 317 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 1: Hank ran George's horse farm up in o'calla Lada. Hank 318 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: was out are saying, these salaries are so high there, 319 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: this is that, And I said, hey, who talk to 320 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: your old man. He's the one running the prices up. 321 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: He hands out these big contracts. He said, I know 322 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 1: he doesn't have an F and clue. And I said, 323 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 1: now you said that I didn't. But George was a 324 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: football man. He didn't play football. He was like a 325 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 1: student manager in college or something, and he hung around 326 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 1: the football teams and coaches, and he tried to run 327 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 1: a baseball team like you do a football team. Well 328 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 1: in football, you know, it's kind of set in stone 329 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 1: what you do, and and he uh, if you go 330 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 1: back on the nineteen one World Series Game six, Yankee Stadium, 331 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 1: I'm pitching. I give up the first run of the 332 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:16,159 Speaker 1: World Series that I gave up in the top of 333 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 1: the fourth inning. Yeah, fib and the fourth inning they 334 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: pinched it for me. I'm going crazy. And I find 335 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 1: out later from a guy that was like a I 336 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:42,640 Speaker 1: and the Sky. For the Yankees, Steinbrenner's rule was get 337 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:47,120 Speaker 1: a lead early and then go to the bullpen. Win 338 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,919 Speaker 1: it out of the bullpen. And Bob Lemon, being a 339 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 1: good trooper, he wanted to get a lead. So the 340 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: score was tied one to one. Bob or the fourth 341 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,959 Speaker 1: we had two runners on two out, pitcher coming up. 342 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 1: They pin ship for me and I asked women, I said, um, 343 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 1: who who's coming in? He said George Fraisier. I said, 344 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 1: shut lim Frasier. Haven't gotten anybody out all series. You're 345 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 1: going to don't tell me out a minute And I said, well, 346 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: I'm just telling you he hasn't gotten anybody out. And 347 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: then who would you bring in? I said, well, you're 348 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:33,880 Speaker 1: taking out your starter, which is your night's best pitcher, 349 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: the day's best pitcher, and you're saying that it's the 350 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 1: seventh or eighth inning. Who would you bring in in 351 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: the seventh or eighth inning of football game? I bring 352 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 1: Gaussie Gin. Then I'd bring gassie Gin right now. But 353 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 1: he can't go all the way. Uh. He goes two 354 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: or three innings, and then you go to the next 355 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: guy and then you work your way through the ball game. 356 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 1: If you're going to you're going to manage like that. 357 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:08,160 Speaker 1: But that was how George, George would have these um 358 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 1: Fox like they do. Well, we're gonna we're gonna run 359 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 1: the fullback over left tackle. Uh, he's not real good. 360 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:23,360 Speaker 1: You know. Well that's football and baseball is totally different, pitching, 361 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: hitting and all that. But that's the way George ran 362 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: the game. And he he just he was very demanding. 363 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:41,640 Speaker 1: But I like the guy I played for him. Again, Yeah, 364 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: yes I can't because he's dead. Well, that's true. That 365 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 1: would be That would be amazing, though, Tommy, if you 366 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,640 Speaker 1: came back and pitched and he came back and owned 367 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: a team, that would be uh, I would be yeah. 368 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,440 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch live editions of The Ben Maller 369 00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 1: Show weekdays at two am Eastern eleven pm Pacific on 370 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: Fox Sports radio and the I Heart Radio app. Hey 371 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 1: it's me Rob Parker. 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So, So, now this 379 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 1: is why So in those days and you played in 380 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: the days where you know the guys that the players, 381 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,360 Speaker 1: even though you respected the other player, right, you were 382 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: not buddy buddy with the You had rivalries, right, guys 383 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: that weren't and you weren't hanging out with each other 384 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,719 Speaker 1: all the time. That's the perception I had you. You 385 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 1: lived the life. But you went from the Dodgers to 386 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:57,120 Speaker 1: the Yankees and they were a pretty big rival. How 387 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 1: how awkward was that going from from l A. You 388 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,880 Speaker 1: pitched in a World Series with the Dodgers against the Yankees, 389 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: and then you ended up going to the Yankees and 390 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 1: pitching against the Dodgers in the World Series. How how 391 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: odd was that? Um? I called friends that I knew, Uh, 392 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: in the league, who's got the best endfield? The offensive endfield? 393 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: And everybody said, well the Yankees. Um, you know, Chamblis, Randolph, 394 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 1: Bucky Dent and Nettles there. The Brewers are good, but 395 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 1: the Yankees are better. Okay, all right? Because I wanted 396 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: guys that could field the ball because they're going to 397 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: get a lot of balls hit to them. And so 398 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 1: that's how I made my choice. And and like I said, 399 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 1: I would do it again. But it's just I don't know. 400 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: Stif was a character, a big character. But the guy 401 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: that I loved playing for was Losorda and I only 402 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: played two seasons for him, Sevenday seven. And yeah, that's 403 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: what I want to ask you, because Tommy, I I 404 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 1: started covering as a baseball reporter when I was in radio. 405 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 1: I my first gig, one of my first gigs as 406 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 1: a reporter was covering Losorda. But I saw Tommy at 407 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: the end of his career, the last few years he 408 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,399 Speaker 1: managed the Dodgers. I covered the Dodgers, and and I know, 409 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: you know, Tommy was like a bigger than life character then. 410 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,119 Speaker 1: But what was it like when he was starting his 411 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,399 Speaker 1: his run with the the It was a young Tommy 412 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 1: los sort of like before he became the established over 413 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 1: the top personality. I always had the personality, But what 414 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: was it like before he became a legend if you will? 415 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: He uh, he was the cheapest s O B in 416 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: the world. He never paid for a meal. He'd have 417 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 1: um and now he's getting the same meal money that 418 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 1: we're getting m hm. And he just he would find 419 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: somebody to pick his breakfast tab up or lunch or whatever. 420 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,880 Speaker 1: But he was he was good at that, really good 421 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:33,680 Speaker 1: at that. Yeah, And I remember he has been around 422 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: him a little bit, like he knew everybody and everybody 423 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: loved him and so like I remember, there would be 424 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,479 Speaker 1: at one time. I'm sure this happened a lot when 425 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: you were there, probably back in there, but but Frank 426 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: Sinatra showed up and this was big. You know, Frank 427 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: was late in his life and he showed up there 428 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 1: and that was like a huge deal and stuff. So, 429 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 1: I mean, he knew all the big celebrities of the 430 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: day and they all wanted to like hang out with him. 431 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: It was the wild, wild experience. And I guess in 432 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: the old days when the Dodgers first came out here, 433 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 1: the Hollywood stars, when all that would be at Dodger 434 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 1: Stadium all the time. But Wald Alfston, being the stuff 435 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: coat that he was, um didn't make them feel welcome. 436 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 1: So um they wet coming. And when La Sorta came, Yeah, 437 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 1: I used to go down in his office and just 438 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: see who was there. And you would see run Maysak 439 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 1: all the time. He would come down there, and I 440 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 1: mean guys that you would never put the two guys. 441 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 1: When Losorda's daughter got married, we had the wedding ceremony 442 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: and reception. I can't think of the he was a 443 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: player with Dodgers, and we had everything at his house 444 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 1: and it was supposed to start. Let's say at seven o'clock. Well, 445 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: now it's like and nobody has shown up yet, Big 446 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 1: Limo pulls up out, gets Sinatra and his wife, and 447 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 1: John Rickles and his wife. Now the wedding ceremony started. 448 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: Then the reception. Rickles did thirty minutes of comedy and 449 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: Sinatras saying and all that but you. When my son 450 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 1: Tommy was born, he's got a sterling silver cup. Tommy, 451 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to our world. Our world, Barbara and France's Sinatra. 452 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: That's great. That is that's awesome. That's that's pretty cool. 453 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: So I mean that's just that's living. And you live 454 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 1: that life with the Dodger. I'm sure when you're with 455 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 1: the Yankees there were celebrities that would go to those 456 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 1: games too, right, I mean that was yeah, the future 457 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:21,479 Speaker 1: may Oh he was the only one. Okay, all right 458 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 1: down there. They didn't want to go to the Bronx 459 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 1: in those days. They didn't want to not. Yeah, So 460 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: so listen, I as a basebook, I want to talk. 461 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: I want to talk about the Hall of Fame a 462 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 1: little bit. I mean, because I know the writers, the 463 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 1: dope writers didn't vote you in. They get I think 464 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: the most you got was like thirty one percent or 465 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 1: something like that. But there's still the Veterans Committee. There's 466 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 1: still a chance you can get the Hall of Fame. 467 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 1: Have you heard from any of those people from the 468 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 1: Veterans Committee? Have you? Hasn't we reached out to you? Uh, 469 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 1: because I think you've got a pretty compelling case. But 470 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 1: I'm slightly biased because I like you. But have you 471 00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 1: heard from anybody on that over the years since you 472 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: ran out of eligible years you have not no, so 473 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 1: make make your pitch right now. You know. He's the thing. 474 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 1: I won two ball games, uh pits twenty six years 475 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 1: the two wins. I had the most no decisions in 476 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 1: the history of baseball A no decisions. Well I didn't 477 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 1: know that. Yeah, so you know, okay, no decisions a 478 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 1: quarter of the uh, that's forty wins on that's halfway, 479 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 1: you know. I mean it's just people look at and 480 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 1: they said, well, he pitched along time, he should have 481 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: all those wins. Really really, that's not just because you 482 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 1: pitched a long time doesn't mean that that you're gonna win. 483 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 1: It just means that you pitched a long time. Sure, sure, 484 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 1: and uh and I looked. I looked at the Baseball Reference, 485 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 1: the stat website, and they have this thing called the 486 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame monitor, and they say the Hall of 487 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 1: Famer just on this thing they said Hall of Famer 488 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 1: as a score of a hundred. You had a score 489 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 1: of a hundred and twelve for your pitching, So according 490 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,239 Speaker 1: to that, you're Hall of Famer. I know a lot 491 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 1: of the How frustrating it though, Tommy, I know, you 492 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 1: know it's a Hall of fames. They wet fine, whatever, 493 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 1: but some of the guys you pitched with who were 494 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 1: of a similar look, like bly Levin pitched in your 495 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 1: you know, at the end of your your run there 496 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 1: and Don Sutton. These guys are in the in the 497 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, so well, you know. Obviously there was 498 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 1: a sports rider and I confronted him on it after 499 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 1: I came back from surgery. I had a hundred and 500 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 1: sixty four wins to less than kofas one in his 501 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:25,439 Speaker 1: career and that's after you had unbelievably experimental surgery. Yeah. Yeah, 502 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,399 Speaker 1: And the sportswriters said, yeah, but Sandy's wins were better 503 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:37,280 Speaker 1: than you. That here, what's the zeal you know? And okay, 504 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 1: was it more strikeouts? Yea? Was it fewer hits? Yes? 505 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 1: But it's a win. A win is a win. He 506 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:52,440 Speaker 1: he started the game to win. I started the game 507 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,839 Speaker 1: to win, and I won two less games than he did, 508 00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 1: but his were better. When when the guy told me that, 509 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 1: I just thought to myself, that tells me how little 510 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 1: I know about the Yeah is it? It's also a 511 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 1: lot of this is a popularity contest, right like who 512 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 1: you the if the writers like and love you and 513 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,719 Speaker 1: just kind of sucked up to him a little bit. 514 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,799 Speaker 1: That helps you out. That's also seems to be part 515 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,360 Speaker 1: of the Hall of Fame fame process. But and you 516 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,440 Speaker 1: finished You didn't win a cy young, but you finished 517 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 1: second twice. Right you were you were, and you were 518 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,360 Speaker 1: at the top ten a bunch of times, so you 519 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 1: had you were right among the top pitchers in baseball 520 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 1: for for a good stretch of time there. Uh, but 521 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 1: I can't talk to Tommy John without talking about the surgery, 522 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 1: which is in nineteen seventy four. So you know, I'm 523 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,239 Speaker 1: a you know, I'm I'm middle aged now, but I 524 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,760 Speaker 1: was a young guy obviously, you know when this this happened, 525 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 1: even before I was around. So kind of paint the 526 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,719 Speaker 1: picture for those lists and Tommy that we're not we're 527 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 1: not around. Like, what was it like in those days 528 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 1: when you had an injury like this? Did they just 529 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 1: say that's it, go get a job, you're done. I mean, 530 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,360 Speaker 1: was there anything they could do before this or what 531 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,840 Speaker 1: what led you to go down this path to have 532 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:18,759 Speaker 1: this radical surgery. At the time, well, I've hurt my arm, 533 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 1: and Dr Job said, well, let's give it about three 534 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,760 Speaker 1: weeks reps and then we'll start back and see maybe 535 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:31,359 Speaker 1: wee and wuck out and it'll heal and you won't 536 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 1: need uh surgery. Okay, you know I had. He never 537 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,520 Speaker 1: said what kind of surgery or whatever? You won't need surgery. Well, 538 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 1: I rested three weeks, came back and I threw a 539 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 1: little bit, and I just I couldn't throw. My arm hurt, 540 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 1: the elbow hurt. So then we sit down and we 541 00:36:55,320 --> 00:37:02,680 Speaker 1: just had like a father and son talk. Um. I said, okay, 542 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:08,200 Speaker 1: you're my dad. What would you do? He said, well, 543 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,799 Speaker 1: you've torn a ligament in there. Now nine there were 544 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 1: no m R s. All they had were X rays 545 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 1: and X rays only. They only h X ray bone, 546 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:32,920 Speaker 1: not muscle or tendons or ligaments. But Dr job mandiculated 547 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,719 Speaker 1: my arm and he said, yeah, you can see here 548 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 1: that joint is really loose. Um. You you know you've 549 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 1: torn the ligament. I said, okay, what do you do 550 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:53,320 Speaker 1: to fix it? He said, well, there's a ligament transplant 551 00:37:53,800 --> 00:38:01,920 Speaker 1: surgery that I've done on polio patients, but I've never 552 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:03,920 Speaker 1: done it. You know, I've never done it on a 553 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:09,719 Speaker 1: baseball player. And I said, well, that's the only way 554 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,920 Speaker 1: I'm going to get back to pitch again. Isn't it, 555 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,560 Speaker 1: and he said probably. And I said, okay, then let's 556 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:25,480 Speaker 1: get it done. Let's do it. And and I've read 557 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 1: tom I mean you were not he was not very 558 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,040 Speaker 1: confident you would be able to come back. I mean 559 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,879 Speaker 1: the odds were not in your favor at least. I've 560 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,880 Speaker 1: read some stories on this and they they didn't really know, right, 561 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,759 Speaker 1: Doctor Job didn't know And this was said they had 562 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:44,200 Speaker 1: no idea what was going to happen. M Yeah, they 563 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:49,839 Speaker 1: had no idea what what was going to happen? And um, 564 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:57,919 Speaker 1: but I had the utmost confident and Frank Job, it's 565 00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,719 Speaker 1: Dr Joe would have told me we can we can 566 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 1: fix this. But here's how we're gonna do it. You 567 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,920 Speaker 1: go gather all your German shepherd's poops and put him 568 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,960 Speaker 1: in a bucket and go back a second base at 569 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,560 Speaker 1: Dodgers Stadium and dig a hole and bury those poops 570 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:18,879 Speaker 1: back there and your armor heel. I would have done 571 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 1: it because I believed a thousand per cent and Frank 572 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:30,560 Speaker 1: Job if he told me, Tommy, I really don't think 573 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,839 Speaker 1: you can pitch. I think you should look for In fact, 574 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:38,439 Speaker 1: he told me, he said, do you have another job 575 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:42,280 Speaker 1: to go to or a way of making a living. 576 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,960 Speaker 1: If this doesn't work. Oh no, not if this when 577 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,239 Speaker 1: this doesn't work, is what he said. And I said, yeah, 578 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,279 Speaker 1: I've got a friend of mine back home. That's um. 579 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,319 Speaker 1: It's in the car business. And you know I can 580 00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:01,880 Speaker 1: sell cars, or I can scow, or I can coach 581 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,879 Speaker 1: your manage in the minor leagues or whatever. I said, 582 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:09,000 Speaker 1: I've got ways of making it. But Job, because I 583 00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:15,799 Speaker 1: was just married and I was operated on the September 584 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:21,799 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy four. My first child, Tamara, was born September 585 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:28,800 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy four. So that was why Dr Job wanted 586 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:33,680 Speaker 1: me to have a fallback that you know, your first child. 587 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,839 Speaker 1: You don't want to sit there and and go down 588 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,880 Speaker 1: the shoot thinking that you're gonna come back when the 589 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,200 Speaker 1: odds are that you weren't. But I knew that if 590 00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,680 Speaker 1: in fact, I told Dr Job this, I said, if 591 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,439 Speaker 1: you do your job, I will more than do my job. 592 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:56,720 Speaker 1: I will more than do my job. If it takes 593 00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,560 Speaker 1: a year, it's a year. If it takes two years, 594 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:05,320 Speaker 1: it's two years. I said three. Three. No, I wouldn't 595 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:11,560 Speaker 1: go three, but you know, and the rest is uh. 596 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:17,759 Speaker 1: He did the same surgery two years later on a 597 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:26,800 Speaker 1: pictured named Brent Strom m hm and uh Strommy said, 598 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:32,239 Speaker 1: if if they do the surgery on the picture and 599 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:36,880 Speaker 1: he doesn't come back, it's called Brent Strom surgery. He 600 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,200 Speaker 1: does come back and pitches, it's called Tommy John surgery. 601 00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,200 Speaker 1: That's great, that's great. And how soon after you had 602 00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,600 Speaker 1: this surgery? I mean you missed the seventy five season, right, 603 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,320 Speaker 1: and so when did you know, hey, this thing works? Like, 604 00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,359 Speaker 1: when did you know I can still pitch? I got 605 00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:57,680 Speaker 1: my arm back. Well, I went out to Arizona, pitched 606 00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:02,800 Speaker 1: in the Arizona Fall Lake. Uh, I've started seven games 607 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,759 Speaker 1: in twenty eight days, that's every four days. I was 608 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:11,520 Speaker 1: on the mountain pitching and my arm didn't hurt. And 609 00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:16,000 Speaker 1: I said, well, you know, now was my stuff good? No? 610 00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:26,000 Speaker 1: Was it? But I found the next year about halfway 611 00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:30,440 Speaker 1: through the season. You know, the art of pitching. Anybody 612 00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:34,759 Speaker 1: can pitch when you've got your best stuff. But the 613 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,560 Speaker 1: art of pitching is being able to pitch and compete 614 00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:43,960 Speaker 1: when you don't have your best stuff. And that's what 615 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:50,520 Speaker 1: I couldn't do until of about halfway during the seventy 616 00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:55,960 Speaker 1: sixth season, I started to get the feeling, whoa, okay, 617 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,920 Speaker 1: I can get You know, you don't throw every fastball 618 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:08,319 Speaker 1: you throw, you throw here, hold fastball, you throw one? 619 00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,839 Speaker 1: You I mean you very speech or at least I did. 620 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:21,799 Speaker 1: And um, it wasn't until halfway through the seventy six 621 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:28,440 Speaker 1: season that I started to get the confidence. Okay, I 622 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:32,279 Speaker 1: can back off my fastball and throw it harder. And 623 00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,680 Speaker 1: here a hard curveball and a slow curveball and a 624 00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:42,920 Speaker 1: flop curn balls. Um, but it just takes time. But 625 00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,880 Speaker 1: nobody can tell you that. There's no doctor, there's no 626 00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:50,399 Speaker 1: pitching coach, there's no therapist. They can't they can't tell 627 00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:54,600 Speaker 1: you that you have to do it on your own. 628 00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:59,280 Speaker 1: So as we Temmy, as we wind this down here again, 629 00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:03,279 Speaker 1: Tommy John, what you're one of very few people that 630 00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:08,319 Speaker 1: has had a medical procedure named after them. How how 631 00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,200 Speaker 1: odd is it your name is in the news all 632 00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:14,239 Speaker 1: the time that this is a common procedure now among athletes. 633 00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:18,080 Speaker 1: And what is it like to be Tommy John? And 634 00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,080 Speaker 1: and a lot of kids, you know, the younger people 635 00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,920 Speaker 1: might not know you who's Tommy John? But I mean 636 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,200 Speaker 1: your your name is on the surgeon. What's that like? 637 00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,680 Speaker 1: Having lived that and and experiencing that and seeing your 638 00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:30,600 Speaker 1: name all over the place. When somebody has this operation, 639 00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:40,759 Speaker 1: well named it Tommy John surgery was Dr Job and 640 00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:49,200 Speaker 1: people think I did. I don't. But he would get 641 00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:53,440 Speaker 1: talks about the surgery and what he did and all 642 00:44:53,560 --> 00:45:01,320 Speaker 1: this and uh, you know, ligament replacement surgery reconstruction with 643 00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:05,480 Speaker 1: the Paul Merrith's longest tendant. That's the name of the surgery. 644 00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:08,600 Speaker 1: And then he said, you know the surgery I did 645 00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:13,359 Speaker 1: on Tommy John. You know Tommy John surgery. And when 646 00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,839 Speaker 1: when he said that, the doctors went, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, 647 00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,480 Speaker 1: and the look at that replacement okay, bom And that's 648 00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:24,919 Speaker 1: how it came about. And somebody asked me, They said, 649 00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:28,920 Speaker 1: why didn't you patent put a patent on it? And 650 00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:34,840 Speaker 1: I said because of Dr Joe. I couldn't do it. 651 00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:39,120 Speaker 1: Because of him. I had so much love for him 652 00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:44,680 Speaker 1: that I just I couldn't do it. Yeah. It's gonna 653 00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:46,200 Speaker 1: make you feel good though, right, I mean you you 654 00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:50,560 Speaker 1: were the first, you know, it's ever having an orthopedic 655 00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:57,160 Speaker 1: surgery named after you. That a proctological that is that 656 00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,359 Speaker 1: is correct? Yes, I would I would have. I would 657 00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:05,719 Speaker 1: agree with her surgery. Oh man, we got that one. Yeah, 658 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,000 Speaker 1: that would not be that would not be as glowing 659 00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,799 Speaker 1: a review for for people. But listen, Tommy, it's been great. 660 00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:16,800 Speaker 1: You've been unfiltered. I loved watching you pitch when I 661 00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,960 Speaker 1: was a kid. I'm glad you're you're you're over the COVID, 662 00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,919 Speaker 1: you're doing better now and and uh continued good health. 663 00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:28,040 Speaker 1: And I hope the Veterans Committee someday put you in 664 00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,200 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame here, hopefully sooner then later. Because 665 00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,600 Speaker 1: I just li to me, Tommy, I'll make the pitch 666 00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:37,000 Speaker 1: for you. You're two wins the career you had, and 667 00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,080 Speaker 1: I think the thing that pushes you over the top 668 00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,560 Speaker 1: is the surgery you have saved because you were the 669 00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,760 Speaker 1: ginea pig. You have saved so many, so many pictures 670 00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:47,799 Speaker 1: that have gone on and had great careers and Hall 671 00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,480 Speaker 1: of Fame careers that would not have been possible if 672 00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,880 Speaker 1: you had not taken that dive. So I think that 673 00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:54,360 Speaker 1: should put you in the all of him. But what 674 00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,440 Speaker 1: do I know, right, Tommy, what do I know? I 675 00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:02,320 Speaker 1: would vote? Call you? Thank you all right, Thanks Tommy, 676 00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,520 Speaker 1: appreciate it, Okay, thanks for having me. Bye bye.