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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kick Off live

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Speaker 1: already saw a couple come in that I want to

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Speaker 1: make sure I get too over the course of the program.

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Speaker 1: Poli Dots, how are you hello, John? It's an incredible

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Speaker 1: week of weather here in the New York City area.

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Speaker 1: We we had well, Monday must have been like like

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Speaker 1: heaven for you. It was like July fourth weather right

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Speaker 1: when it was three? Did it reach? I was sure?

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Speaker 1: I know it was at least eight eighty nine, but

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Speaker 1: it certainly felt like August training camp, not Mayo t s.

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Speaker 1: It was awesome, Wasn't it a little little warm? From me?

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Speaker 1: All right? I'm not going to complain about it, but

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Speaker 1: we're talking like low seventies all week now, and I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm Yesterday it was chilly out there with the wind.

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Speaker 1: It was in the sixties and it was windy, but

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Speaker 1: it felt like probably upper forties with the wind. Out there,

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Speaker 1: um and the one thing all throughout there, and I

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Speaker 1: talked about a little bit in the practice report. I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure if you had a chance to take a

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Speaker 1: look at what exactly happened there, but the one thing

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Speaker 1: that that that's kind of impressed me, and one thing

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Speaker 1: I worried about. I never worried about Daniel Jones' ability

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Speaker 1: to make all the throws, but he's thrown a pretty

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Speaker 1: tight ball with some good spin that's cut through the

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Speaker 1: wind pretty well in the first two practices, which is

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Speaker 1: one of the things that I wasn't sure about because

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Speaker 1: you've never seen him do it. But I was pretty

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Speaker 1: impressed with how his ball went through the wind, which frankly,

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Speaker 1: if you don't throw a real good spiral, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: have issues with that. But I thought he looked pretty

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Speaker 1: good throwing through the wind the first two I am

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Speaker 1: so glad you brought that up, John, because I didn't

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Speaker 1: get to see yesterday's practice. I only saw the day before,

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Speaker 1: and the wind was worse on Tuesday than it was

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Speaker 1: on Monday. Okay, Monday. I thought it picked up a

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Speaker 1: little bit in the second half, but the first half

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Speaker 1: of practice there wasn't much and during rookie camp there

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Speaker 1: was not zero. So you know, I've had people ask

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Speaker 1: me off air and off Twitter even you know, what

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Speaker 1: do you think about Daniel Jones throwing the ball? What's

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Speaker 1: the arm strength look like? And I said, well, here's

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Speaker 1: the thing. The arm strength looks fine to me. I'm not,

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Speaker 1: I'm not, I have nothing to complain about. But I

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Speaker 1: need to see him throw in the meadow lands wind.

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Speaker 1: You know, because throwing now, as compared to throwing in

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Speaker 1: November and December in this region of the country, specifically,

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Speaker 1: specifically in this part of Bergen County can be really tough,

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Speaker 1: and so I need to see. Now what I agree

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Speaker 1: with you on. He's got a nice spin and rotation,

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Speaker 1: nice spiral ball, seems to cut really really well. Um.

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Speaker 1: I like the fact that he changes velocity on his

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Speaker 1: all his throws. He knows how to apply touch, he

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Speaker 1: also knows when to zip it. And he also seems

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Speaker 1: he puts a very nice arc on those passes. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so I agree that those things will all help him

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Speaker 1: when the wind becomes a factor. But the latter part

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Speaker 1: of Monday's practice was the first time I saw any

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Speaker 1: So I gave him another little check mark as he

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Speaker 1: is progressing in his pro career that I think he's

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Speaker 1: still not a harder percent sure you said yesterday he did.

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Speaker 1: That's good news for me. But again, I really need

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Speaker 1: to see how he does in November. And again I

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Speaker 1: need to see too. Accuracy went under pressure. That that

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Speaker 1: to me for him, and decision making under pressure, and

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Speaker 1: not necessarily when he's getting blitzed, but just in a

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Speaker 1: game situation when you're worried about guys being around without

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Speaker 1: saying correct and and and that's really the most important thing.

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Speaker 1: And like I said a couple of weeks ago, my

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Speaker 1: to so he did have some time with the twos.

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Speaker 1: But right now, um not like I'm sorry Alex Tanny.

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Speaker 1: Alex Tanny is still the primarily the number two, but

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Speaker 1: Jones didn't get a handful of snaps with the twos

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Speaker 1: during number two. Yeah. I think it's very interesting the

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Speaker 1: other day when Pat Shermer was asked on Monday about

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Speaker 1: the reps that Jones is gonna get, and he did

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Speaker 1: seem to indicate that the number two job is open.

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Speaker 1: It's not automatically going to go to the veteran Alex Tanney,

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Speaker 1: who last year just just basically hoarded the accolades from

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Speaker 1: coach Shermer because I's a veteran coach. Shermer kept saying, well,

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Speaker 1: go into a game on a moment's notice without any

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Speaker 1: reps and get the job done. Well, I didn't get

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Speaker 1: that sense from coacher the other day. John. It sounds

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Speaker 1: like to me Tanny isn't as locked into that number

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Speaker 1: do think they would like to have him on the roster.

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Speaker 1: And here's why a lot of people have made a

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Speaker 1: lot of the whole Eli manning mentoring Daniel Jones and

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Speaker 1: Lance and I talked a lot about this yesterday. I

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Speaker 1: don't want to get back into it, but my point,

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Speaker 1: very briefly was that Daniel Jones is gonna learn a

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Speaker 1: lot from me, like watching him prepared to try to

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Speaker 1: win games. Right, He's gonna be there, He's gonna be

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Speaker 1: a sponge. ELI is gonna let him, you know, be

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Speaker 1: there and watching observe, and it's Jones's job to do it.

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Speaker 1: But when he has additional questions working on the side

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Speaker 1: after practice, uh, working together on off hours, it could

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Speaker 1: be Tanny. That's as much of the quote unquote mentor

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Speaker 1: for him as it is Eli, if not more, because Tanny,

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Speaker 1: who's not preparing. You know, he's preparing to go in

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Speaker 1: extra tape with him one on one to maybe go

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Speaker 1: well as the coaches do. In fact, he teaches some

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Speaker 1: So they really like him in that way. And I

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Speaker 1: think Tandy could be very valuable as as much of

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Speaker 1: think that's absolutely a good point, and it puts Kyle

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Speaker 1: Loletta in a very precarious situation. Well, look, if if

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Speaker 1: gonna take precedence over the other stuff. But he's got

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Speaker 1: to show that. Yeah, he's he's gonna have his work

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Speaker 1: now you also have a situation where if he like

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Speaker 1: And and again I said this yesterday, I'll say it again.

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Speaker 1: How Tanny plays, to me really doesn't matter. What's gonna

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Speaker 1: We talked about what players are left on the roster

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Speaker 1: from before Dave Gentleman showed up here. How many do

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Speaker 1: And again for those people who are critical of Dave

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Speaker 1: you work with Flowers at right tackle and that didn't

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Speaker 1: on Twitter that come after him for those. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: get that too. Believe it or not, that's as much

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Speaker 1: the coach's decision as it is Gentleman, I understand, but

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Speaker 1: I get it, it's important on those bass plays, But

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Speaker 1: get good football players and you'll figure out how to

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Speaker 1: use them. And you know what, I've got no problem

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Speaker 1: with that statement. And that's why you still like Clin

431
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Speaker 1: Farrell makes sense, bid I think more than you if

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Speaker 1: that's possible. Big Bill kick Off five is presented by

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Speaker 1: Corps Light four five, one three, and on Twitter it's

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Speaker 1: hashtag Giants Chat. Makes you get in touch with us

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Speaker 1: that way as well. We're gonna get to your calls

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Speaker 1: here and let's start off with our buddy Carl and Florida,

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Speaker 1: who will lead us off. Hey Carl, Hey guys, thanks

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Speaker 1: for taking my call. Um, enjoy your so thank you.

439
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Speaker 1: Most most of the questions so far been about the

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Speaker 1: draft and the players have drafted, but I want to

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Speaker 1: talk a little bit about the undrafted free agents. Um

442
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Speaker 1: as I was looking at the tackles that were drafted

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Speaker 1: or the particular tackle it was drafted, and I think

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Speaker 1: it's the seventh round. Big George Kentucky. I went back

445
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Speaker 1: and I was looking at some of their games just

446
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Speaker 1: to see how he was playing. And the player that

447
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 1: stood out for me while looking at Big George was

448
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:35,760
Speaker 1: their tight end j Conrad. I thought he looked fantastic

449
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Speaker 1: in the games that Kentucky played, and he played well

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Speaker 1: alongside Big George. Uh So your impressions on your whether

451
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Speaker 1: you think he did a good fit, especially in light

452
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Speaker 1: of the fact that I think Evan Ingram is probably

453
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,239
Speaker 1: gonna be playing out more as a wide receiver and

454
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 1: they need good blockers, and this kid, from what I saw,

455
00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:01,399
Speaker 1: had some speed and can catch the and Ken block

456
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 1: is known for blocking. But then I read lately that

457
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Speaker 1: Eric Dungey apparently he is also being given some reps

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Speaker 1: at the tight end position. For your thoughts on the

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Speaker 1: group high ends and where the CJ. Conrad and Lord

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Speaker 1: Dungee could look coming out of rookie camp. John to

461
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,879
Speaker 1: tell you, I always pick a dark horse every rookie

462
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Speaker 1: minicamp for a guy who's going to make the team

463
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Speaker 1: or certainly at least be practice squad guy. And you've

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Speaker 1: picked a lot of tight ends over the years, by

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Speaker 1: the way, they tend to be guys. I look at

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Speaker 1: a lot and my guy this year I couldn't pick Dungee.

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Speaker 1: I disqualified him because he's a Swiss army knife. He's

468
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Speaker 1: kind of a special kind of guy. And besides he's

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Speaker 1: not a sleeper because everybody wrote about him. So who

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Speaker 1: was my guy this year? C J Conrad? He is

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Speaker 1: cut out of granted, Okay, let's make no bones about that.

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00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:59,640
Speaker 1: The dude is absolutely muscle bound. He shows fluidity, ah,

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Speaker 1: he know soft hands. I need to see contact, I

474
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 1: need to see pads on him at this level I've

475
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 1: I've watched some of the tape. You're right, I looked

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Speaker 1: at some of the Kentucky video. I like what I see,

477
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Speaker 1: but I need to see him do it at this level,

478
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Speaker 1: and I'm very intrigued. I'd love to see him make

479
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 1: I need to go back and watch some more Kentucky offense.

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00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 1: I gotta watch him in Big George Moore, I have

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Speaker 1: not watched a ton of him. He's tough. Just for

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Speaker 1: the people that don't know his numbers, see six, that's

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Speaker 1: what he was listed in Kentucky. I can tell you

484
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Speaker 1: what the Giants have him listed as on their roster.

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Speaker 1: He comes in at sixty six. According to n y

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Speaker 1: g uh he had thirty catches as senior Kentucky for

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Speaker 1: three eighteen yards and three touchdowns. Earlier that he never

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Speaker 1: had more than twenty catches in a season, So you

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Speaker 1: would consider much more of a blocker than you would anything. Yes,

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Speaker 1: he's known for. But my and and it appeared that

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Speaker 1: they took him out of the games um on pass

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Speaker 1: him down whenever they threw the box him. So yes,

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Speaker 1: that since Freagan to me, considering what the Giants are

494
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 1: looking for, to me, here's what's interesting. I don't know

495
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: if they're going to keep a fullback or not, and

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Speaker 1: I don't think you do either, John. I'm thinking they

497
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 1: are going to keep a log of Penny. But we'll see.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you something. To me, c J. Conrad is

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Speaker 1: like the Madison Hedgecock of tight ends. Because is that

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Speaker 1: supposed to be a good thing? It is? It is

501
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: because he's a stud. He's a He's a very physical player.

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Speaker 1: Who is why he's got some some with to him

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Speaker 1: and power and strength to him. Is he also crazy?

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Speaker 1: I wasn't going there. I was trying to go from

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Speaker 1: a physical perspective. That's fine. I thought you were talking

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Speaker 1: about the whole package, and and quite honestly, I love

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Speaker 1: that is. If he's a little wacky, I know he was,

508
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 1: but but even when you list his vitals, you could

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Speaker 1: see him lining up as an h back and taking

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Speaker 1: the role as a lead blockers. So anyway, I'm glad

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Speaker 1: you brought up Conrad because I've talked about him on

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Speaker 1: three other shows before. Or he's my dark horse for

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Speaker 1: the roster. I hope he makes it because I really

514
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: like him. I like what I see on tape. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate the call, Carl. Thank you Pale the other guy.

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Speaker 1: That's interesting to me, Paul, because I don't know if

517
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Speaker 1: the Giants quite know how they're going to use him yet.

518
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 1: Jake Carlock numb. He's listed as a defensive back at

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Speaker 1: six five, looks like a strong safety to me. He

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00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,120
Speaker 1: lined up as an edge rusher during OT and I

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00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,360
Speaker 1: didn't understand that. No, it's crazy. That's why I'm like,

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Speaker 1: they have to see something with this kid. He's not

523
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: from He's a guy that not a lot of people

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Speaker 1: talked about in the draft. He's out of l i

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Speaker 1: U l i U Post, which is now part of

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Speaker 1: the l i U Blackbird Program. Long Island universitys Oh,

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Speaker 1: they're the Sharks now, they've changed their name. They're not

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Speaker 1: the Blackbirds anymore. Is black no longer going to be

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Speaker 1: their colors either? Sorry it is. Brooklyn is not gonna

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Speaker 1: be happy about that now anyway. So you know Long

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00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 1: Island Post, that's where he played football, which is now

532
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: again part of the l i U Brooklyn you know

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00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 1: joint campus thing that they're doing now they're all be

534
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: Division one programs. And again he's six three to twenty,

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00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:13,919
Speaker 1: but they will line him up as a pass rusher

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00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: on on nickel and third down. I didn't not understand

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00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: that he looks small in that spot. He looks he

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00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: looks like a strong safety. Right, he looks small. A

539
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,479
Speaker 1: guy is small. But look, we've seen two five pound linebacker.

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00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: I mean Telvin Smith was when he came out right.

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00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 1: Yeah to me, maybe practice squad. I can't see how

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00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: he makes I'm not calling on my dark horse. He's

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00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: interesting because he's different. Yeah, oh, that's for sure. And

544
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: if he goes out there and he makes plays, especially

545
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Speaker 1: on special teams, that's where he's gonna have to make

546
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: his money. They'll find a place for him on campus somehow.

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00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: No question four or five on three, Dan and Brooklyn

548
00:27:54,080 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: he's up next, Hey Dan, what's Yeah? Probably the only one.

549
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: But I don't think Daniel Jones is going to see

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00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: the field during the regular season. And my reason is

551
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: says that is because we have the offensive line I

552
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: think is gonna keep eli right. I'm excited about Golden

553
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 1: Tate and Corey Coleman coming back, So I think the

554
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 1: offense is going to be the strength of the team.

555
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: As far as the defense, I think it's up to

556
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: the secondary. Depending on how the secondary how they how

557
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: do you blend, So what do you guys think about that?

558
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: Then I agree with your general premise. Here's the trick,

559
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: and this is why when people ask me, you know,

560
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: how does Eli stay on the field, and my answer

561
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: is twofold one. He has to play well, which is

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00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: the start of everything, because if he's playing poorly, the

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00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: team wins get healthy, which, of course, which I don't

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00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: think it's plausible this year. By the way, if Eli's

565
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: plays poorly, this seems not gonna win a lot of games.

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00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: They're just not the way. The constructure is not gonna happen.

567
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: So he needs to play well, but the team also

568
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,080
Speaker 1: needs to win to a certain extent. And here's i

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00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: They're not gonna punish Eli in weeks six if he's

570
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: losing a bunch of games thirty thirty one. But if

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00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: you get to week thirteen, fourteen or fifteen, even if

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00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: he's playing well, but the team is mathematically eliminated from

573
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: postseason contention, then they're gonna want to get Daniel Jones

574
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: some run and look, so it's not gonna be oh,

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00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: we gotta get Eli out of here. He's playing poorly,

576
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: it's gonna be well, Yeah, Eli is playing well, but

577
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: we spent the sixth overall pick on this guy. We're

578
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: not at a playoff contention. We want to give him

579
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: playing time. So that's why if Eli wants to keep

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00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: Jones on the bench for all seventeen weeks, he needs

581
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: to play well and the team needs to win to

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00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: the point where they're in playoff contention through December. Second

583
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: part of course doesn't. Yeah, how is Baker looking at

584
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: along with Sam Bill? I think Sam Bill's looked really good.

585
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: You know, they line them up with the first team

586
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh wow, that that that's start out

587
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: of the kid right away. Right And look, I'm not

588
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: tracking every one of his cover drafts. I've seen Storring

589
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: Shepherd beating him a couple of times. I'm not surprised

590
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: Strowing Shepherd beats a lot of people in the in

591
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: these practices. But he moves well, he's big. He got

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00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: his head around on an Elie Manning pass on a

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00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: fourth down play in the first o t A that

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00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: turned into a Pecky tipped the ball to Pepper Peppers

595
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: for the interception. I think Bill's looked pretty good. He

596
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: got beat on a deep post for a touchdown by

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00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: by Shepherd and and O t A Number two. But

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00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: the fact that he looks healthy, he's moving around well,

599
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:31,719
Speaker 1: and he doesn't look out of place to me as

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Speaker 1: a win, I like that Baker's with the twos. Here's

601
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: the one thing with Baker that I worry about. Guy's

602
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: gotta get his hands off guys down the field. He's

603
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: very grabby, and frankly, a lot of the younger guys

604
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: have been grabby in the second there's been a lot

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00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: of penalties dp I defensive holding a legal contact, and

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00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: that's something these young guys coming out of college have

607
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: to get fixed. We saw the el Apple early in

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00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: his Giant's career. He kind of corrected that as he

609
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: went along a little bit. But these young guys have

610
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: to not be so handsy down the field, and that's something, frankly,

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00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: he had a little bit of an issue with at

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00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: Georgia two. So that's something that I'm worried about with

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00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: Baker a little bit. Otherwise, he presses and when he presses,

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00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: and here's the other problem to Dan in these O

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00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: t A s, you can't press right, you can't you

616
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: can't do bump and run coverage. And that's what Baker

617
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: is good at so he has to play off coverage,

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00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: which immediately puts them into disadvantage. So until until they

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00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: put on the pads and they're allowed to push and

620
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: shove and press with the line of scrimmage and have contact.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna hesitate passing judgment on what type of player

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00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: Baker is going to be. I think he's one of

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00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: these guys that's gonna look a lot better in games

624
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: then he looks in practice. And if dollar mind you

625
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: is something Dan and Paul and I brought this up

626
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: a lot when the Giants brought Genors Jenkins here. His

627
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: first set of practices for the Giants, especially in O

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00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: t A s he stunk. He was getting toasted left

629
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: and right. But the reason was simple. He's not allowed

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00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: to press and that's what Norris Jenkins does and I

631
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: put Baker in that same category. So I'm not gonna

632
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: try to jump to too many conclusions until I see

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00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: him in preseason games and in pads in training camp

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00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: when he's allowed to have contact. That's how I look

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00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: at it. I will add about Beal. I thought he

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00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: was the star of Monday's practice of the first O

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00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: t A. Well, we had our factor fiction question, who

638
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: is your standout player? And I went with beals. I

639
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: agree with you, uh and what I liked about it?

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00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: And remember we're talking helmets only, shirts and shorts. Okay,

641
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: but I like the angles he takes on the ball,

642
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: his anticipation, his ball skills. I love the way he

643
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: uses his length. I just he he didn't look And

644
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: I know this is kind of a misnomer because he's

645
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: a red shirt rookie, a red shirt fresh right. He

646
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: looked like he belonged. And it's a guy that's very

647
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: leggy and lanky. His change of direction was pretty good.

648
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: What do you worry about for guys that are kind

649
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: of long, they don't change directions. Well, I was pretty

650
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: happy with this movement, so very very pressed with with

651
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: the first extended look that we've had from him, basically

652
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: because last year we got a blink of an eye

653
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: before we got injured. Thank you, Cheryl Brown. Happy to help,

654
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: and I will agree with your general overall point. The

655
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: Giants offense is going to be their strength this year,

656
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 1: or at least it better. If it's not, we're gonna

657
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: have a long, long year no offense. And I do

658
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: believe special teams. Sure, yeah, they have some dangerous to

659
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: turn guys. There's no question about. We know the kicker

660
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: is good, we know the part is good. Correct. I

661
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: think special t special teams in offense is going to

662
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: have to carry this team, which, by the way, is

663
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: for another way that that Cowboys team won. Oh yeah, absolutely, Yeah,

664
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: these special teams camouflaging a lot of the defensive problems,

665
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: no question. Yeah, that you're talking about probably the last

666
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 1: Romo year slash the first Prescott year, right, is what

667
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: you're talking about. Yeah, I agree, I'm with you. And

668
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: that's how the Giants are gonna have to win games

669
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: actually earlier this year. And you look at it, guys,

670
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: they might struggle a lot defensively early. You know, you've

671
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: got so many young guys and rookies getting there, to

672
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: getting their feet wet. You know, there's nothing like NFL games.

673
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: The good thing is that at least offensively. You know,

674
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: Eli's back as a star, of Barkley's back as the starter,

675
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: of Shepherd's back as a starter, Ingram's back as a starter.

676
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: How How how Appeals back as a starter, Um Soldiers

677
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 1: back as a starter, Hernandez is back as a starter.

678
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: Zeitler has been the legal long time remembers has been

679
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: in the leagual long time. You know, these are not

680
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: guys that are gonna I don't think starts slow. They're

681
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: an offense for the second year. You know, Golden Tates

682
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 1: a veteran. He knows what he's doing. I don't think

683
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 1: the offense is gonna take long to get going here.

684
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: I don't. But I think the defense it might be

685
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 1: a bit of a project moving forward at the beginning

686
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: of the year. The one thing that will help them

687
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: a little bit is that they have added speed and

688
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: at less athleticism, specifically to the secondary and sometimes that

689
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 1: can help make up for some mistakes. Well look, look,

690
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 1: I think the caller hit it too. I think if

691
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: the defense is gonna overperform this year, it's gonna because

692
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: the young defensive backs make big improvements in the case

693
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: of Jibral Peppers and in the case of the Grant

694
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: Haley who played last year a little bit. In the

695
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: case of the guys who haven't played yet, they just

696
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:14,879
Speaker 1: play well early. That's what the Giants need. Five on three,

697
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: Scott in New Mexico's up next day. Scott, Hey, guys,

698
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: how are you doing? Dott? How are you good? How

699
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: the question. I was interested in your preliminary discussions about

700
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: Jones and Tanny, and I'm sort of going to ask

701
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: a political question because I can't find the right word

702
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 1: to ask. Uh, haven't the Giants sort of painted themselves

703
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: into a corner and that they have to make Jones

704
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: the backup quarterback because he's a sixth pick overall? And

705
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: the reason I mentioned that at all is Alex Tanney,

706
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: and I mentioned this on another show is probably thrown

707
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 1: six or seven passes in his whole NFL career, So

708
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,760
Speaker 1: I personally don't think in terms of him being a backup,

709
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: even though you guys might so. And Pat Sherman sort

710
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 1: of addressed this a little bit. He said that it

711
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: will be an open competition for the second Well, Scott,

712
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: Scott real quick, Scott real quick. Let me ask you.

713
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 1: Let's say the Giants get to the first game of

714
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:13,240
Speaker 1: the regular season. The three quarterbacks on their roster are Manning, Tanny,

715
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: and Daniel Jones. Right, what's gonna happen if when they

716
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 1: come out and in eleven thirty on Sunday September eight,

717
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: at well, not eleven thirties, a four o'clock game, So

718
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:28,720
Speaker 1: you know, to five, they roll out there and actors

719
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: for the game, and Tanny's active in Daniel joneses isn't

720
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen. Sherm will get one question about it

721
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: after the game, he'll get another question about it on

722
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 1: the Wednesday press conference after the game, and then they'll

723
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: move forward. So I don't think they've painted themselves into

724
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 1: a corner. I think they can do whatever they want.

725
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: And I'm john on what Shermer said. He said it

726
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 1: was going to be an open competition for the second

727
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: quarterback positions. But but but in the same soliloquy he gave,

728
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: he basically said, uh that although it's open, I want

729
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is going to get the most reps, and

730
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 1: then I also want him to be be able to

731
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: start Week one. So I interpret that is that he

732
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: is going to be the backup quarterback to Eli Manning.

733
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: I don't know any other way to interpret it because

734
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: I'm reading that wrong. Scott comment, You're right, he wants

735
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: that to happen. I think in the Giants ideal world,

736
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones plays well enough to win the number two job.

737
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: But we have to set the bar high. But we

738
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: have to but we have to see if that actually happens.

739
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: You always set the bar high. And quite honestly, here's

740
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: the thing. And if I bet by the way, I

741
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: think Jones wins the job, but I don't. But but

742
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: we don't know that. Yeah, And you have to understand something.

743
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 1: If it's week one, too three, even four in the

744
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: regular season, and you know, it doesn't matter if if

745
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: the division gets off to a good start or not.

746
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 1: Even if the Giants are one and two, Let's say,

747
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: what's the worst, They're gonna be a game out of

748
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: first place. If Eli goes down, they're gonna want Tanny

749
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: in there because it's not too late for them to

750
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: try to salvage that win and still maintain their spot

751
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 1: in the race. You know, if you just throw Jones

752
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 1: in there at that point, let's say it's week three

753
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: of the regular season, you're game out and now all

754
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you'd say, Daniel Jones going to the

755
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: twenty ft end of the pool, Well, that's a really

756
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: rough spot. Remember when Eli was a rookie and they

757
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: threw him in when he replace curd Water and it

758
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: was a disaster for about five weeks. I think it

759
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: depends how Jones plays in preseason two. I think that's

760
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: gonna be the guide, Scott. And if you really want

761
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: to try to figure out who's going to be the backup,

762
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: look at how they play in preseason games one or two,

763
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: and then look at how they divide the snaps in

764
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: preseason games three and four, and I think that'll give

765
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: you a hint as to which guy is going to

766
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 1: be the backup in Week one against Dallas. Okay, Uh,

767
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: one other point, uh, and I can take this off

768
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: the air, but just's been a lot of talk about

769
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: culture and changing the culture while the Giants actually, you know,

770
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: uh turn this whole last year getting rid of a

771
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: lot of players and suchually create culture. But isn't it

772
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: really talent that wins out? Because it's been to sea

773
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,359
Speaker 1: of going to the super Bowl. And I'll pick one

774
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: for example, of the team that had Donothan McNabb and

775
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: Kara Owens. Obviously, the culture there wasn't spectacular and even

776
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 1: CAROLINEA I wanted to get him and when they went

777
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: to the super Bowl, culture wasn't great. But there and

778
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,760
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering if town is the more important issue,

779
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: and uh, you know that's what really wins out. In

780
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: schemes and obviously good coaching rather than culture. And I

781
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: just wanted to get your opinions on both of your

782
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: opinions on how much ef uh you know, how much

783
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 1: important is actually put on culture rather than building making

784
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: sure you have the right players in the right chemistry

785
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: question for this to work. That's got a very fair question.

786
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: Appreciate the call. Its a balance. Look, if you bring

787
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 1: a bunch of great guys that will get along in

788
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: the seeing kumbaye on the locker room, but they can't

789
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: play football, no it's not it's not gonna work. Um,

790
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: you want guys that are good football players, but also

791
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: build something inside a locker room where they answer as

792
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: much to the coaching staff as they do to their

793
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: fellow players. And there's a high standard that's set inside

794
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: the locker room that's policed by the players themselves. And

795
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: I think that's what you're looking for. And if you

796
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 1: have one or two really good players that you know,

797
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 1: maybe don't go down the party line, and that's that's

798
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: a bad example. It influences young guys and maybe act

799
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: like that. And that's how I think people talk about culture.

800
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: And you know, Landon Collins, I think said the other

801
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 1: day that he thought the Giants let him go because

802
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: of a culture of situation. I don't think the Giants

803
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,760
Speaker 1: not bringing Landing Collins back at anything to do with culture.

804
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I don't think Collins was a

805
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 1: culture problem. I really don't Landing Collins it was. It

806
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 1: was a combination of injury history, financial considerations, and the

807
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: fact that, quite frankly, the Giants did not have an

808
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: appropriate safety to pair with him. Landon Collins is an

809
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: outstanding box safety, okay, but without a free safety who

810
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: can roam the field properly, he is not a good

811
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: pairing with Curtis Riley, and quite frankly, he's not a

812
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: good pairing with Antoine. But they either look I look

813
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: at I go back to what we talked about at

814
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 1: the time. It's production per dollar, and you put a

815
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: value on a guy in a passing league that is

816
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: a better box player and tackler than he has a

817
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: coverage guy. And I understand not wanting to dole out

818
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: major resources in a situation like that. So that's that's

819
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 1: what I got for you to one look. So, so

820
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: it's a bounce. It's important to get the right guys

821
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 1: in the air. You want to, you know, set set

822
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: the right conditions in the locker room. That does count.

823
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: But if the guys can't play, it doesn't mean a

824
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: Hilla Beans, James and New Jersey's up next? Hey James, James.

825
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,399
Speaker 1: I knew, I knew, I knew I was gonna get

826
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 1: one call about Gerald McCoy today. I might as well

827
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 1: be you. What's up hey, guys? Um? Yeah, so I

828
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 1: just I want to start off with saying, UM, a

829
00:41:50,480 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: really big favorite pop. You guys are essentially you guys

830
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: are talking about power on the line. You think that

831
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: gerrants will be interested in, uh, someone like a Jeral McCoy.

832
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: Gerald McCoy is a really good football player. UM. I

833
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: don't think he's as good as he used to be,

834
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: but he's still a very good football player. The Bucks

835
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: released him because of his ginormous bass salary, which is

836
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: what happens a lot in this league. Which is by

837
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 1: why the way, when people say, you know the salary cap,

838
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: you can find the way to keep a player if

839
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: you want the saler Capitally, it doesn't matter, No, it does.

840
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: Otherwise the Bucks wouldn't be cutting their best pass rusher

841
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: two weeks after Jason Pierre. Paul is out for the

842
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: year with the neck injury, so the Siler cap doesn't

843
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: matter Anyway. That was a little ramp by me um

844
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 1: I despite what I said before, I'm not sure Jerald

845
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: McCoy is necessarily the best fit for the way the

846
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: Giants scheme things Defensively, he is a one gap player.

847
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: I think he's more of a traditional four three three technique.

848
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,439
Speaker 1: But again, and Nicole, you can use him however you want.

849
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 1: I think it looks would Gerald McCoy make the Giants

850
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,240
Speaker 1: team better? Yes? Do? I think it's it's a need

851
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: based on the cost that he would probably uh come

852
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 1: along with if the Giants signs him when you're trying

853
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: to get playing time for Lawrence B. J. Hill and

854
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: Dalvin Tomlinson. I'm not sure about that because all three

855
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: of those guys in those Nickel packages are defensive tackles.

856
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: So I don't think given that he probably will have

857
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 1: you know, minimum, what six or seven million figure he's

858
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: gonna get. Paul Market probably just got ten, right, So

859
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,280
Speaker 1: I think McCoy's minimum getting six, seven or eight given

860
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,919
Speaker 1: the Giants roster construction, Paul, I'm not sure that makes

861
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: a ton of sense for them. I don't think it

862
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: does either. And quite honestly, I think as you look

863
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: at what the Giants have tried to do while turning

864
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 1: over this roster and getting younger, by the way, and

865
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: McCoy is not exactly a spring chicken, and he would

866
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: be a good culture guy too, by the way, by

867
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,959
Speaker 1: all understood, A great dude, understood. But but they've tried

868
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 1: get younger, especially on defense. And you know what, they're

869
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: really happy right now with the amount of money that

870
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 1: they've saved, putting themselves in good position for the cap

871
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,439
Speaker 1: next year. And remember, you can roll over whatever cap

872
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: savings you have this year into next year's number, which

873
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 1: I think we all believe that that's gonna be step

874
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: three of the Giants reconstruction, and every dollar they get

875
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 1: that's going to help them perhaps get a superstar pass rusher.

876
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 1: It's going to be needed. And Dave also talked about

877
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 1: trying to carry money into the season two to sign

878
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 1: for agents during the year and and things of that nature.

879
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 1: So anyway, appreciate your James, and again, look, it's it's

880
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,280
Speaker 1: never a bad idea of signing a good football player,

881
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 1: but you have to appropriate your resources. Um, the best

882
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: way to get the biggest return on your investment. I'm

883
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: not sure that's the way to go to five on

884
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: three Peter and Florida's up next. Hey Pete, Hey, gentlemen,

885
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 1: how you guys doing today? We're excellent. Um. First off,

886
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: I wanted to congratulate you guys. You guys have done

887
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 1: an excellent job getting us fans through this offseason. We

888
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: really appreciate that. Well, we're We're glad to have your board.

889
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,959
Speaker 1: Absolutely so. I'm about six months into this little road

890
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 1: and I'm really enjoying these Twitter gm And there were

891
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 1: two interesting points I wanted to throw it you guys

892
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: and get your pining. First question, uh, factor fixing is

893
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: Donora Senkin is going to be on the team week

894
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: sixteen at the end of the year. Fact I believe

895
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: he will be. Yes, okay ten four? Uh? Second question,

896
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: there was a post on John Dorsey's positional value chart

897
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: and I've never seen that before. I thought it was

898
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: very interesting. Of course, quarterbacks up top with left tackle.

899
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 1: What I thought was interesting was right tackle and slot

900
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: corner were away on the bottom of that chart, as

901
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: as in it's not as important as you know as

902
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: you go up quarter back to the highest. Do you

903
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,439
Speaker 1: believe that that is an old start. Do you think

904
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: that now that it's a passing league, now that right

905
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 1: tackle is more important, now that spot quarner is critical

906
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 1: in this passing league, you think that probably isn't as

907
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: accurate as it once was in your back. I'll be honest,

908
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 1: I have not seen this chart yet. I just Google

909
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 1: search it. I'm gonna try to bring it up. Can

910
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: you break it down for me exactly what it looks like?

911
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: Only because I hadn't seen it before, I'm unfamiliar with

912
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 1: it as well, so I I really hesitate to say

913
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: anything until I get a good look at it and

914
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 1: study it and think about it. It's actually really cool

915
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: and never seen for either. Um. Typically it's it's a triangle,

916
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: and on the top of the triangle is the positional

917
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: need of the value of the position. So the highest

918
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: on the top of the pinnacle of the triangle is

919
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: most important position for a team, and then as you

920
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: move down to the bottom, you know it's not as value. Look,

921
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: I'll go back to to football one oh one that

922
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: George Young taught me many many years ago and said,

923
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: if you're going to be a playoff contender. You have

924
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: to have four key component parts, and it seems like

925
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 1: over the last few years, everybody in there and their

926
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: mother seems to now finally have figured it out. You

927
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: had to have the pass rusher, you had to have

928
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: the cover corner, you had to have the quarterback, and

929
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:27,240
Speaker 1: you had to have the left tackle. Now now again

930
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: that that goes back forever. Well, I'm gonna give it

931
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 1: you right here. I have the chart. There's a good

932
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: cause I've never heard of this before. So at the

933
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: top of the pyramids, the quarterback, obviously, the next set,

934
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: which is obviously near the top of a little thin

935
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: left tackle, primary corner, primary edge rusher. Okay, but that's

936
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: the four we just talked about. What I'm saying, that's

937
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 1: that so far. Next group he has nose tackle and

938
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: number one wide receiver. I'm not sure I would be

939
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: the nose tackle in that group, but that's where he

940
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 1: has it. I'm not sure i'd put number one wide

941
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 1: receiver in the group. Okay, Well, let's talk about the

942
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 1: next one. And the next group, he has number two corner,

943
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: strong safety. This must be for three or four defense.

944
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 1: I guess number two corners, strong safety, five technique, second

945
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 1: edge rusher, inside linebacker. Well, putting five guys on the

946
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 1: same plane as kind of next group hazy to me,

947
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: free safety, running back, right tackle, number two, wide receiver,

948
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: tight end, and then he has at the bottom three

949
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 1: technique nickelback, interior lineman, number three wide out, and then

950
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: a bunch of role players. Yeah. Well, I will say this, uh,

951
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: in answer to your question, now that John's had a

952
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 1: chance to look at that. To me, the nickel back

953
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: is really really low because the slot guy is usually

954
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: the nickel guys. Even mind, this was posted back in

955
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: two thousand fifteen, so it's about you know what, it's

956
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,720
Speaker 1: about three or four years old. And on the posting

957
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 1: I found it on came from Arrowhead Pride dot com

958
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: when he was at the Chiefs, and it was from

959
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: ma So I'm thinking maybe it's probably a little bit

960
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 1: updated at this point. Yeah. For for me, at this point,

961
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: I think that the slot receiver in the last several

962
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: years has become much more important than it was back

963
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 1: in that day. So I would think if he had

964
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,479
Speaker 1: a chance to revise this this pyramid, he would move

965
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: the nickel corner who would handle the slot guy much higher.

966
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: I mean, because we're seeing that the slot guys are

967
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: converting the highest percentage of throw downs of anybody in

968
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: the league. Not think things have changed a lot. Absolutely,

969
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: you know, it's not my father's game anymore. John, it's

970
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: old school, guys. We had to adapt a little bit. Yeah, yeah,

971
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: one fact, Okay, I told you guys first time during

972
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: the GRAMAFT and I told you I was from the

973
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: Florida Keys, and you guys are talking about alligators and

974
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: from all I guess that's a story about that, and

975
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 1: wanted to give you a fun fact. The Florida Keys

976
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: are the only place in the whole country that had

977
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,879
Speaker 1: alligators and crocodile. There we go off this and Tatino there, Pete,

978
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Thanks for the call, Pal. I've actually

979
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: had really nice things about the Florida Keys. I heard

980
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 1: this really really nice there. Now in crocodiles, you were

981
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 1: afraid of the gators when you're doing your Jacksonville walk, right,

982
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 1: That's when you were afraid of Yes, Yes, the concierge

983
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: sent me to walk through a swamp. You must have

984
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 1: been really annoying. I was not happy. Well, you must

985
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 1: have annoyed the concer and that's why I sent well,

986
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: let's put I had a couple of words with him

987
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 1: when I got back. Did you really? Oh? I asked

988
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,280
Speaker 1: him about what was that all about? And he didn't

989
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,879
Speaker 1: have much to say. He was disappointed when he walked

990
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: back in the door with all your limbs in place,

991
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 1: exactly if I don't call the show, and then I'll

992
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:49,760
Speaker 1: get to some of your tweets, as Charlie in Portland me, Hey, Charlie, Hey, gentlemen, Hey, um,

993
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: Annie only through fourteen passes in an NFL game he

994
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: completed Charlie, you know you real quick? I want to

995
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 1: add to its. Jason hunter Well on Twitter actually had

996
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 1: a similar point. I want to bring it up real quick.

997
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 1: You realize Alex Tanny is playing only one career game.

998
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: That is an approven NFL quarterback at the end of

999
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 1: his career being a mentor, What has he done worth

1000
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 1: listening to if you're a young quarterback eventually looking to start. Thanks, guys,

1001
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 1: So I think he's making a similar point. But now

1002
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 1: you can go ahead and and and finish yours. Yeah. Well,

1003
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: I was just like I've said before, I think if

1004
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones can't beat that guy out for the second quarterback,

1005
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: that's the way I see it, that's ridiculous, Charlie, that's ridiculous.

1006
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, he's he's he's a rookie, and and you

1007
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: don't force feed the rookie and accelerate his learning curve

1008
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: and development just for the sake of doing it. If

1009
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones doesn't get consideration for the number two spot

1010
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:50,439
Speaker 1: because he's not ready for let's say, until October, there's

1011
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with that. I mean, it's ridiculous and sly

1012
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: it isn't and it isn't his physical skill set. Look,

1013
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:57,879
Speaker 1: I can already tell watching him on the field, Jones

1014
00:51:57,920 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 1: is a better on than Tanny and he's more accurate.

1015
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 1: But the question is whether it's right he's more mobile

1016
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 1: as well. The question is whether or not he's able

1017
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: to handle everything mentally correct well. Sum is saying this

1018
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 1: guy is picking everything up and he's very smart and

1019
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 1: blah blah. It's understand that. But I'm saying my opinion

1020
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:24,359
Speaker 1: is if he can't beat that guy, then he has

1021
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 1: a problem. And I'm not saying it's the end of

1022
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: his career. I'm just saying I think they really want

1023
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: him to pick things up just I mean, just like Surevissaud.

1024
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,359
Speaker 1: I want him to be able to start day one.

1025
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 1: So Chary, let me say this a little fail if

1026
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 1: he doesn't end up being the second string quarterback. Let

1027
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 1: me say this, don't sorry, real quick, real quick, real quick.

1028
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: Try add that real quick. If we get the week is,

1029
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 1: let's see if he hits somebody in his shoulder. Doesn't

1030
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 1: problem anything about that until he actually hits somebody. Did

1031
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,800
Speaker 1: we claim to be the guys who fixed his should Charlie,

1032
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:02,919
Speaker 1: you're a hundred percent right, and and and Bill said

1033
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 1: that when he talked to media the other day. So right,

1034
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: until we get into a game, and this is even practice.

1035
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: You gotta get into a game now and see if

1036
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: that shoulder holds up. We're not gonna know that they drafted.

1037
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:19,800
Speaker 1: They drafted, including Beal. They've got four rookie corners. Don't

1038
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:25,959
Speaker 1: forget who knows. But the bottom line is at least

1039
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: they've got guys to choose from. So if Bill should

1040
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: happen to re injure it, and please don't even think that, Charlie,

1041
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: but they've got guys they can turn to. And so

1042
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 1: I want to I want to add something else to

1043
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 1: your first point. If we get to week fourteen or

1044
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: fifteen and Daniel Jones hasn't emerged as a number two quarterback,

1045
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna be concerned. Okay, I'm with then then

1046
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 1: I'm then I'm gonna be like that, that's probably not

1047
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 1: the best sign. But if we're sitting here in a

1048
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 1: week in September, then no, I'm not gonna worry about it.

1049
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 1: October I'm gonna be like, all right, I want to

1050
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: start seeing it soon. November I'll get nervous. December I'll

1051
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: be scared. I agree, totally. Is that fair? You guys?

1052
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: Check out the guy from the Canadian Football League. He's

1053
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 1: the defensive end. I can't remember his name, but he

1054
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 1: is going to be a guy that I think might

1055
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: make the team. You can't find any you so, you

1056
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 1: can't find any French players who went with French Canadian

1057
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: players this year or something like. He still thinks Dob

1058
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 1: is gonna make the That's why I brought off the

1059
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:34,359
Speaker 1: French players him. He's like, he's like the seventy one

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00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 1: you remember Taul Tom Wilson or what you know. He

1061
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 1: came in. He was high motor, he you know, came

1062
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,399
Speaker 1: in and always got sacks for us. Well, this guy

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Speaker 1: I think is gonna be Charlie when you talked number

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Speaker 1: seventy one to me, it's Bob Blurts. I just remember

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00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 1: that I have a good dad. That's that's a long

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00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 1: time ago. I'm gonna show my age. I don't know

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00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: who that is. Bob Blurts played on the Giants late

1068
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 1: sixties early seventies. He was a defensive tackle six ft six.

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00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 1: He's a very very tall felt. I later played for

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00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:08,840
Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikings and the Seattle Seahawks. He's a good player,

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00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 1: short short Giant's career. Had most of his games with

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00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:16,360
Speaker 1: the Vikings. I don't know who that is. He was

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00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: one I don't want to add this to You can

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00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 1: have a player help be a mentor, even if he

1075
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:27,359
Speaker 1: hasn't played a ton in the league, and maybe he

1076
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: won't be able to help Daniel Jones with some of

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00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:33,320
Speaker 1: the on the field stuff. But in terms of understanding

1078
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 1: a playbook, executing it, what reads to make, how to

1079
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 1: make those reads, and the mechanics of it, you can

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00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 1: be helpful with that. You know the problem with a

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00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: guy like Tanny mentally, he might get everything. He might

1082
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 1: be an a plus quarterback mentally, but physically, you can't

1083
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:49,919
Speaker 1: translate it to the field. So if he can teach

1084
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, who adds the physical ability to translate that

1085
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 1: to the field, that can still help the guy well,

1086
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 1: and vice versa. If the Giants are early in the

1087
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 1: season and still in the middle of a tight division

1088
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 1: race and Eli goes down, the last thing Pat Sherman

1089
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 1: was gonna want to do is throw Daniel Jones into

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00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 1: the deep end of the pool. If he is not

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00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 1: mentally prepared to handle the game. He's gonna want a

1092
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 1: game manager. And you can talk all you want about

1093
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:21,399
Speaker 1: Alex Tanney not throwing very many active passes in the league,

1094
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 1: but he's been around the NFL and has studied playbooks

1095
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 1: and as a pseudo coach, which you've just described, He's

1096
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 1: gonna go in there and he'll be a game manager.

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00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:33,799
Speaker 1: He's not gonna screw it up. Here's how I look

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00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 1: at it, Paul. If they feel confident enough that they

1099
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 1: could insert Daniel Jones into the starting lineup and not

1100
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 1: reduce the playbook, then Daniel Jones will be the number two.

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00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 1: I agree. If they feel like they have to reduce

1102
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: the game plan, reduce the playbooks, simplify the scheme and

1103
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 1: change the way they play, then it's gonna be tanning.

1104
00:56:56,719 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 1: And realistically, I also agree with what you said before.

1105
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:05,720
Speaker 1: It would be until probably late October early November before

1106
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 1: I started to blink my eyes and say, are you

1107
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 1: sure Daniel Jones isn't ready yet? And we guys, we

1108
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 1: didn't have a discussion about this before the show, not

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00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 1: at all. So yeah, I'm with you. And frankly, what

1110
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: would you put the odds right now? Who's the backup

1111
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 1: week one? I would say Towny is the favorite. Heavy

1112
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 1: probably huh. I think it's I mean if Jones totally

1113
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 1: blows them away during the preseason because he's so good

1114
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 1: mentally Paul and it's such a strength for him, and

1115
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:43,919
Speaker 1: he added pro style coaching in college where he did

1116
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 1: protections at Duke when a lot of rookie quarterbacks don't.

1117
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: I feel like he's going to be more ready to

1118
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 1: take over quicker than maybe some other guys. Maybe by

1119
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 1: week four that would be quicker. I just don't. I

1120
00:57:56,400 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 1: just don't necessarily see him being pushed to the agree

1121
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 1: where it's gonna be week one. I could see it

1122
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 1: taken a few weeks. I'll be right, A j Marshall

1123
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 1: factor fiction. Aj alec Ogiltree's gonna lead the team and

1124
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 1: tackles this season with Landing Collins not on the roster

1125
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 1: factor fiction and those snacks either by the way, it

1126
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 1: was always up near the top and tackles as to

1127
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 1: get down the Salamon to putting factor fiction. This is

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00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 1: a good one. I think it's gonna be Peppers. See

1129
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 1: what if they put Peppers more in coverage than they

1130
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 1: put Collins. Collins was so much in the box. He

1131
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 1: used to collect a lot of stats and tackles because

1132
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 1: he was down to the box. Sheppers is going to

1133
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 1: be in the box a lot too, and he's gonna cover.

1134
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna play a lot of man to man.

1135
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:45,919
Speaker 1: Look he was lined up with Evan Ingram a ton

1136
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 1: on Tuesday. But that's my point. He's gonna be in

1137
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 1: past coverage more than Collins was because he's capable of

1138
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 1: handling some of those covered snaps, which means they're going

1139
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 1: to take him out of the place some more. Yeah,

1140
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 1: but on run plays, you're not covering anybody. That's the point. No,

1141
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 1: Peppers and Ogletree would be my two favorites if I

1142
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 1: had a bet, But I'm not sure who's gonna nose

1143
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 1: out the other and old Trees at three downlinebacker for them,

1144
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 1: so he'll be on the field of Ton. Well, that's

1145
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: my point. B C. The grim Bold predictions Giants lose

1146
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 1: Week one. First couple of weeks with the team uh

1147
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 1: first couple of weeks, the teams with the least turnover

1148
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 1: and changes on defense usually win. Giants relying on a

1149
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 1: bunch of rookies, and he's a little worried about that. Well,

1150
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 1: the first four games are Dallas, Buffalo, Tampa, Bay in Washington,

1151
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 1: Dallas and Tampa on the road, Buffalo and Washington at home.

1152
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest with you. I'm not intimidated by

1153
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 1: those first four I'll tell you this. If they don't

1154
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 1: end September at at least two and two, I'd be very,

1155
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 1: very concerned. And I think two and two is very plausible,

1156
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 1: and in fact that I wouldn't be shocked if they

1157
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 1: win three. And I think three and one is possible.

1158
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 1: I think two and two is very realistic. You've heard

1159
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 1: me say this every single year. John. You get through

1160
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 1: the first four games two and two, you turn it

1161
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 1: into a twelve games schedule. And you go from there.

1162
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 1: To me, that is always the bare minimum requirement. You

1163
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 1: want to be at least two and two through the

1164
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 1: first four games to give yourself a realistic chance of

1165
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:18,440
Speaker 1: doing something with the rest of the schedule. You don't

1166
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 1: want to start one in three and have to dig

1167
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 1: out of a hole with a shovel going into the

1168
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 1: second month of the season. Paul, good stuff. It's been fun.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us for a big look at

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01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:30,480
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Speaker 1: see next time. Everybody, have a great day.