1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: Fitness mom Missy Beaver's bludgeon dead in the local church 2 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: basement just before a fitness class. Good evening, I mean, 3 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:13,239 Speaker 1: sye Grace, this is crime stories. I want to thank 4 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: you for being with. 5 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 2: Us, exercise mom, Missy Beavers stabbed dead? 6 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 3: Who is this person? How did they arrive? How did 7 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 3: they get away without even being seen? 8 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: The time of the day, even the weather outside suggests 9 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: this was a targeted murder. 10 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 4: So this is our little shrine in honor of my mom. 11 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 4: And we just have a couple of family photos laid out. 12 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 4: This is probably our one, actually one and only family 13 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 4: photo that we have, and we're all pretty young in it. 14 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: A couple of weeks ago. Both of y'all are busy, 15 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: so I had no bid to hang out with. 16 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:00,639 Speaker 5: I like went to Target and I saw one of 17 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 5: my friends and her mom and it was like such 18 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 5: a nice day outside, it was like a Saturday. And 19 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 5: I got in the corners her cry because I was like, 20 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 5: oh my god, like I forgot that, Like people do that, 21 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 5: Like people like hang out with their moms and like 22 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 5: co shopping and stuff like that. 23 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: That is heartbreaking. That's Missy Beaver's daughter missing her mom. 24 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: She said, she saw another mom and daughter she knew, 25 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: and they went in the car and cried because it 26 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: hit her. That's what other people do. That from our 27 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: friends at CBS, the case of Missy Beaver's Unsolved, straight 28 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: out to special Guests, longtime colleague and friend Alan Duke, 29 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: investigative journalist, editor in chief, Lead Stories dot Com. Alan, 30 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Who would have thought 31 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: that this much later you and I would still be 32 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: trying to solve the Missy Beaver's case. 33 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 6: It's heartbreaking. You know, back nine ten years ago, I 34 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 6: was talking with Brandon Beavers and he was thinking it 35 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 6: wouldn't take that long. You know, after two or three 36 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 6: months has started to get frustrating, and to go on 37 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 6: for a decade for these children to have grown up. 38 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 6: I think the youngest was in the second grade when 39 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 6: this happened, and I suppose she's probably about to graduate 40 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 6: or has graduated from high school by now. They're talking 41 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 6: about getting married and all of this without their mother. 42 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 6: It's still a mystery. Who was that person in that 43 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 6: makeshift police swat gear, walking with a hammer and a 44 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 6: pick down the hallway of their church and then killing 45 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 6: Missy Beavers. It's unbelievable that all of the scientific, the 46 00:02:54,960 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 6: forensic analysis that you can do not has not developed 47 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 6: a solution to this. We've had other cases like this, 48 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 6: but but this one is the one that really sticks 49 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 6: in my heart. 50 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 7: The suspect ride of the church first had forced entry 51 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 7: into the location. Missy arrived a few minutes later. 52 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 8: Excuse me. 53 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 7: First time surveillance captured the suspect on video was about 54 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 7: ten minutes before four am. Miss Beavers arrived at about 55 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 7: four sixteen in the parking lot and entered the church 56 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:29,839 Speaker 7: immediately a few minutes later she was inside the church, 57 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 7: not realizing the intruder was already inside, and shortly thereafter 58 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 7: she was murdered inside of the church. I'm not going 59 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 7: to discuss the details of how Miss Beavers was murdered. 60 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 7: Our communication center received some calls to nine to one 61 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 7: to one at about five am reporting the incident to 62 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 7: a Middle Othi police department. 63 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 6: Just want to. 64 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 7: Reiterate that our top priority is finding missus killer. 65 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: Straight back out to Alan, joining us editor in chief 66 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: Lead Stories dot Com, Alan, Let's start at the beginning. 67 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: Missy Beavers ultimate mom, gladiator mom. Remember that she led, 68 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: She didn't just attend she led the gladiator style aerobics 69 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: workout there at the mid Lothian Church, which, coming from 70 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: a spot in the middle of nowhere, rural Bibb County, 71 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: we had to drop twenty five minutes to get to 72 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: McDonald's in the middle of nowhere, mid Lothian, Texas, zero 73 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: crime rate. She's at the church, mid Lothian Church, four 74 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning to prepare for one of those 75 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: excruciating mom workouts that they have before they wake the 76 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: children up and before they go to work. Uh agony. 77 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: But she loved it, and so did all of her students. 78 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: So she is there at a church in the middle 79 00:04:55,320 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 1: of nowhere for a m It's dark outside, okay, I 80 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: said the scene pick it up. 81 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 6: Well, there's actually some video that tells us what happened 82 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 6: before her murder, including outside of the church. There was 83 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 6: the video that you and I examined so closely nine 84 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 6: or so years ago of the Ultima that was driving 85 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 6: through the gun store parking lot just up Highway to 86 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 6: eighty seven, pulled in, did some mysterious parking and turning 87 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 6: around wondering what were they doing. Notice it's raining in 88 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 6: the middle of this, and eventually The theory is that 89 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 6: this car, this ultima, because of the timing of it 90 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 6: and the remoteness of all of this, was probably related 91 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 6: to this murder. But where did the car park. I've 92 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 6: looked at the aerial the aerials of this area. It's 93 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 6: surrounded by woods. Unless you pull into the parking lot 94 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 6: and walk into the church, you're going to have to 95 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 6: walk in through woods, that kind of thing. It is raining, 96 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 6: it was messy, and it was early in the morning, 97 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 6: but this is remote inside the church. Speaking of looking 98 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 6: at video, just today I started looking for the first 99 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 6: time in several years at the interior video, and I 100 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 6: noticed some things Nancy, I don't remember noticing. If you 101 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 6: watch him walking or he or her walking down the 102 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 6: hall that hammer is in the left hand there, opening 103 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 6: those dutch doors and then continuing down. And then what's 104 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 6: odd about this video is in a couple of seconds 105 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:39,359 Speaker 6: the video freezes, it stops, and you see him the 106 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 6: person again, walking back. But one of the odd things 107 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 6: is that the forty two second mark, as the killer 108 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 6: approaches a door in the hallway. For the first time 109 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 6: today I noticed another tool which could have been the 110 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 6: murder weapon, a pick. It's not the hammer, that I 111 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 6: was thinking was used to kill Missy Beavers. There is 112 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 6: a pick that is in the right hand, while the 113 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 6: hammer is in the left hand, while the killer right 114 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 6: right here, while the killer is trying to pry open 115 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 6: that door. 116 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: Okay to Joseph Scott Morgan joining us and everybody on 117 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: the panel, please jump in. Just got Professor Forensics, Jacksonville 118 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: State University. He is the author of Blood Beneath My 119 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 1: Feet on Amazon, and he is the star of a 120 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: hit podcast, Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. But for 121 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: our purposes, he is a death investigator who I first 122 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: met when he was at the Fulton County Medical Examiner's 123 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: office many years ago when I was prosecuting, and he 124 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: has over ten thousand death scenes under his belt. You 125 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: know what's interesting, Well, everything that Alan Duke says is interesting, 126 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: but the fact that every time you re examine a 127 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: case you find something new. I've always found that to 128 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: be true. It can be a tiny tidbit, but something 129 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: new or you see in a different way. Did you 130 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: hear what he just said about a pick? 131 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 8: Yep, yep, And it actually fits in Nancy with the 132 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 8: cause of death that they've listed for Missy all these years. 133 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 8: Actually multiple puncture wounds, Nancy and Alan's mentioning a pick 134 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 8: well that would fit in, that would fit in with 135 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 8: the pathology findings. Missy sustained multiple puncture wounds to the 136 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 8: head and also to the chest, Nancy. So that gives 137 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 8: you an indication, I think from a death investigative perspective, 138 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 8: in the dynamics of what happened to her, where she 139 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 8: was positioned, how she was positioned, and also how the 140 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 8: perpetrator was positioned relative to her when this individual savagely 141 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:51,679 Speaker 8: murdered her. Nancy. 142 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: Doctor Jerald Utter is with US clinical psychologist specializing in 143 00:08:55,880 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: psychological evaluations and risk assessments for individuals in the justice system. 144 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:07,199 Speaker 1: Author of Mainlining Philly Survival, Hope, Resisting Drug Addiction, and 145 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: after Shock, How Past Events shake up your life Today 146 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: and more. She is producer and star of Utter Nonsense, 147 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: a documentary. Doctor Gerlyn, thank you for being with us. 148 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: I find it very interesting and I'm sure it means something. 149 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:29,719 Speaker 1: It's probative, it proves something, the cause of death, the 150 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:35,719 Speaker 1: manner of death. She was attacked multiple times. Now hold on, 151 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: let me give you some more facts, Alan Duke, isn't 152 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:42,319 Speaker 1: it true? That At first people suggested this was a 153 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: burglary of a church gone wrong. What were they going 154 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: to steal the video equipment? Please? That never works in 155 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 1: any local church ever. But why kill her so many 156 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,319 Speaker 1: times over with a blunt object the way they did? 157 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, the only thing that this burglar took 158 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:07,319 Speaker 6: was Missy Beaver's life. There's nothing reported stolen from the church. 159 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 6: And as you watch the video, it doesn't look like 160 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 6: a typical burglar. It looks like a search just looking 161 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 6: around familiarizing yourself with the scene, and this burglar came 162 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 6: prepared with murder weapons. If you notice that pick I 163 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 6: was mentioning, ends up in a tool belt on the 164 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 6: killer's hip, the right hip. 165 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: Let's start that video again. As you're speaking, allent, repeat 166 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: what you just sat. I find it very significant, right, 167 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 1: So this burglar, if that's what it was, the only 168 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: thing the burglar stole was Missy Beaver's life. 169 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 6: As you watched this person going up and down the hall, 170 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 6: I only recently noticed that there was a pick. It 171 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 6: was hanging from the apparently the belt and approaching this 172 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 6: door trying to pry it open. You will see the 173 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 6: hammer being used to try to pry it open while 174 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 6: there is a pick. It's at the forty two second 175 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:05,839 Speaker 6: mark on the YouTube video. You will find that there 176 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:11,679 Speaker 6: is a pick in the right hand, which I didn't 177 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 6: notice it before, and it kind of shocked me this 178 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 6: week when I was looking at this video and said, 179 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 6: why did I even think about that? I assume the 180 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 6: police did. 181 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: Let's assume that, so it's a right handed purp. But 182 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 1: I don't know why, Alan Duke, you even suggest this 183 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: is a burglary. The purp and I'm not saying the 184 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 1: guy because I have serious questions as to whether it 185 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: is a guy. But the purp lay in wait. If 186 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 1: they wanted something, go get it and leave. And you know, Alan, 187 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: as you and I have discussed many many times, all 188 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: the way back to our HLN days, with burglaries gone wrong. 189 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: In other words, the burglar comes in and somebody comes 190 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: inbody comes home where they find someone in there, they leave. 191 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: The statistics are overwhelming. Burglar comes into typically steal and 192 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 1: when they're confronted with a person they high talent. Like 193 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: in Guthree, for Pete's sake, that was not a burglary 194 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: gone wrong. The burglar didn't coming and go oh my 195 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: stars missus Guthrie's home. Let's take an eighty four year 196 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 1: old woman with us. It's just ridiculous. Same thing here. 197 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: Is this not a burglary, it's a killing. 198 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 6: I had two burglars come into my home a year 199 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 6: ago and in our garage. My wife and I went 200 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 6: down confronted them. These were two young men about thirty 201 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 6: years old. They could have beaten those that out of 202 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 6: me and my wife, but they didn't. They fled. I 203 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 6: got some great video of it too. They were afraid. 204 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 6: They did not want to be of course you did. 205 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: Did you give yourself the very first interview? 206 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 6: Yes, I did. 207 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: Alan. That just bears out what I'm saying. This was planned. 208 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: Who's driving around in a parking lot in the pouring 209 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: rain at four am, and that you know is the 210 00:12:56,600 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 1: same person. The population there is what three or four thousand? 211 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 6: They could have known missing was going to be there 212 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 6: because guess what the gladiator's class was posted where on Facebook? 213 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: Okay, doctor jerreln Utter joining us. I was coming to 214 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: you earlier, doctor Utter, because the number of blows which 215 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: included her torso all over her, that is killing her 216 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: multiple times over. If it had been a burglary, a 217 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 1: overwhelmingly the burglar would leave. They're not there to kill somebody, 218 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: They're there to get something. And what are you really 219 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 1: going to get? At a church they clean out the 220 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: offering plate immediately after the offering's taken. There's nothing of 221 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: value there. What do they want the VHS equipment? No, 222 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: And plus the killer was lying in wait waiting for 223 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 1: Missy Beavers. They could have taken whatever they wanted and left, 224 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,439 Speaker 1: but they didn't. 225 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:05,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, so, Nancy, I watched the videos, I read the articles, 226 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 3: and one of the first things that I noticed was 227 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 3: how rural the actual area is to your point, So 228 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 3: no one is going to this area without a plan. 229 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,679 Speaker 3: So to me, it feels very planned and very calculated. 230 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 3: Also the fact that the message was on Facebook promoting 231 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 3: the class that miss Beaver's taught, So anybody that's going 232 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 3: to this area is going there with intention. If it 233 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 3: was a burglary, to your point, they would take what 234 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 3: they want to get and leave. If they were to 235 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 3: run into her, if it was what we would call 236 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 3: her traditional burglary, they would probably get scared, run away, 237 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 3: or if they had a weapon or you know, they 238 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 3: would try to maybe you know, push the person or 239 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 3: maim them to an extent so they can leave and 240 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 3: get out of there. What you're looking at as far 241 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 3: as her manner of death is what we call overkill. 242 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 3: So she wasn't just maimed in order for them to 243 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 3: burglarize something to leave. It was very personal. It felt 244 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 3: like a very personal attack about her head and about 245 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 3: her chest. So the person that did this from a 246 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 3: psychological perspective, is somebody that felt they had a connection 247 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 3: to her, maybe had a connection to her, and that 248 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 3: she was very much targeted because it was overkill. They 249 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 3: wanted to create pain, they wanted to hurt her, they 250 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 3: wanted to hurt you know, potentially folks that knew her 251 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 3: were in her world. So absolutely right, not a burglary. 252 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 3: Definitely something that we would consider overkilled due to a 253 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 3: personal connection that this person may have felt to Miss Beaver's. 254 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 9: I got my phone rang at about five am and 255 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 9: it was one of the one of the campers who 256 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 9: of me and Missy have known for a long time, 257 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 9: and he said, Brandon, you've got to come down here. 258 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 9: He said there's been an accident. And I said, what 259 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 9: do you mean. I said, I'm not at home and 260 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 9: he said, you know you need to come come here. 261 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 9: There's he's you know. I got another phone call from 262 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 9: the scene from a female mid Lothian officer and she 263 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 9: said that Missy's no longer with us and I didn't know. 264 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 6: Did you did it register that? 265 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: She meant like Missy had died or was killed. 266 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 9: That's we went in there, my dad and I both 267 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 9: my dad went there kind of as in a support role, 268 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 9: and we met in one room and they started asking 269 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 9: some questions. You know that we're pointed, you know, hey, 270 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 9: you know, where have you been? You know, you know whatever, 271 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 9: and then they left the room. I said, if there's 272 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 9: anything that I can contribute to this to find out 273 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 9: what happened? Who's responsible? I said, I'm not. I'm not 274 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 9: going to run from it. 275 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: That is Missy Beaver's husband, Brandon Beaver, speaking to Scott Brook's, 276 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: a president at the Waxahachie son Alan, do you let's 277 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: talk about the husband, which is typically the first place 278 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: you start a murder investigation when a married woman is 279 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: found dead. 280 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 6: Well, the position he was in, he still had to 281 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 6: raise his three children, he had to go on or 282 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 6: try to recreate this normal life without his wife, and 283 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 6: added to that is the suspicion. You know, we were 284 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 6: calling him. Everybody in the world was calling him. His 285 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 6: neighbors were suspicious, looking at him, side eyed perhaps, and 286 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 6: he was getting letters from people he didn't know accusing 287 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 6: him of something. Yet I've talked to him several times, 288 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 6: and I can tell you I did not get any 289 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 6: indication that he was anything but sincere and the police 290 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 6: investigators obviously didn't have any timeline or any DNA or 291 00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 6: any other evidence to connect him. Now, I don't think 292 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 6: they've ruled anybody out as a suspect. They say that, 293 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 6: but I don't see any reason to believe that Brandon 294 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 6: was a suspect. I think just the size of the 295 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 6: person in the video is not doesn't exactly match him. 296 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 6: So and the. 297 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 1: Timing, no, it doesn't match him at all. Let's take 298 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: a look at it, Alan Duke. He's a tall guy, 299 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:26,919 Speaker 1: and I have watched him walk and he does not 300 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 1: walk like this. Look at how the purp is walking. 301 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:34,679 Speaker 1: That is not at all even remotely similar to the 302 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: way that Brandon Beavers walks. And I've got to tell you, 303 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: I put Brandon Beavers under the microscope and I kept 304 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 1: him there for months and months until I compared the gate. 305 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: The gate of the purp never breaks. It's this gate, 306 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 1: and that is not how Brandon Beavers walks simply put. 307 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:01,360 Speaker 6: Yeah, this killer is between five in five seven. If 308 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,879 Speaker 6: it's a man, it's a short man. If it's a woman, 309 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 6: about average, perhaps, but we don't even know that. But 310 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 6: Brandon doesn't even know that. I think he suspects. The 311 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 6: last I've heard, he suspects it was actually a woman 312 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 6: who killed his wife. 313 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 1: I suspected it too, and I'll tell you why. At 314 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: a certain point, the purp throws out a hip and 315 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: it's just a feminine gesture. And I know I'm stereotyping, 316 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 1: but I know what I know, and that's my observation. 317 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, let's talk about the scene. Let's talk 318 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 1: about the crime scene and what if anything we can 319 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:44,919 Speaker 1: glean And is there a possibility, as in Nancy Guthrie's case, 320 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: that the initial scene was botched. I hate to even 321 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: say that. 322 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 8: Yeah, I suppose that anything's possible here at this point 323 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 8: in time. Looking back on this case, Nancy, I first 324 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 8: started covering this with you at Hilen all those years ago, 325 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 8: and you know, we had several thoughts about this. We've 326 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 8: got broken class at the scene which this individual was 327 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 8: walking about. If I remember correctly, I might be misremembering. 328 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 8: The actually knocked out a couple of windows with this 329 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 8: instrument that was left behind. 330 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:22,159 Speaker 1: I hope that they can please please hold on put it. 331 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: Jos got up. You know that was just a staging. 332 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 1: Let's make it look like a break in b as 333 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: it was not. That's no, that didn't happen. I mean, 334 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: I agree with you, there was glass. I think it was. 335 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 8: My point. Forensically, what I'm thinking about is if this, 336 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 8: if these items were touched anyway, if that instrument they 337 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 8: were using transferred anything onto the surfaces that it was 338 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 8: making contact with, If this person had potentially handled that 339 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 8: instrument ungloved in some way, some kind of trace element 340 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 8: may have been transferred over. You know, when you see them, 341 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 8: they're completely clad and this garb that they have. You know, 342 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 8: one of the things that we think about a trace elements, hair, 343 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 8: skin cells, all these sorts of things that have fallen 344 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 8: off they've made contact with, right Nancy. And also I'm 345 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 8: thinking about these injuries that Missy sustained, going back to 346 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 8: my earlier comment about puncture wounds. If this instrument. Obviously, 347 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,400 Speaker 8: if that is the instruments making contact with her body, 348 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 8: did it leave anything behind? It goes back to Lecarte's principle, 349 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 8: right every contact leaves a trace, does it go back 350 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 8: to anything specifically matching that weapon? I'm thinking tool marks. 351 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:43,239 Speaker 8: I'm also thinking trace evidence here, and how much do 352 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 8: they still have retained? How stable is this evidence that 353 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 8: they have, because there's going to be a lot of 354 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 8: people that are going to be picking over this evidence. 355 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 8: Who do they allow to have this? I'm hoping, and 356 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 8: you know, maybe it's a little boy. I mean, I 357 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 8: hope that Texas Rangers are on this case because I 358 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,640 Speaker 8: would really hope that the Texas Department of Public Safety 359 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 8: will form up maybe a brand new group of cold 360 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 8: case investigators. To Allen's point earlier and to what you 361 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 8: said to him, it's always better to get a new 362 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 8: generation of people that can put their eyes on things, 363 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,679 Speaker 8: because they very well might see something Nancy, they haven't 364 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 8: seen before that the old investigators have not seen. I 365 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 8: don't even know how many of these people are still around. 366 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 8: And you can't tell me that the little Mendelothian, Texas 367 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 8: Police Department is running down all the leads. This is 368 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 8: a broad spectrum event that took place. This is a 369 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 8: targeted event. This is somebody that knew her. I think 370 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,679 Speaker 8: this is somebody that wanted to brutalize her because Nancy, 371 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 8: with an instrument like this, it would essentially take one blow. 372 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 8: That's not what we're talking about. We're talking about penetrative 373 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 8: crushing injuries here. That was pure and total violence. 374 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 7: Release some additional surveillance footage from inside the church just 375 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 7: a few minutes ago, and that could be found on 376 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 7: our social media sites. We really do believe that somebody 377 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 7: still knows that this person is out there. Somebody knows 378 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 7: who this person is and haven't yet come forward. We're 379 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 7: convinced of that, and we ask the public to analyze 380 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 7: the footage once again. Watch the mannerisms of walking style 381 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 7: of the suspect. If they have any information, please contact us. 382 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: Alan Duke, that is Kevin Johnson, Assistant Chief Midlothian PD. Alan, 383 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: He's right, somebody does know. Let's talk about the marriage problems, 384 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:37,679 Speaker 1: and again I'm convinced that the person walking around that 385 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:41,199 Speaker 1: church is not the husband. What can you tell me 386 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: about financial problems and more important sex affairs? 387 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 6: Well, like many couples. They have financial problems. Email messages 388 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:56,439 Speaker 6: showed that. But I think most interesting not long before 389 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 6: this happened, just a matter of weeks missing taking a trip. 390 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,639 Speaker 6: I think it was to San Diego on a fitness trip, 391 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 6: and had been with some people there. There's some speculation 392 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 6: about that one of the most mysterious things were linked 393 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 6: in messages from this man who had been exchanging flirtatious 394 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 6: LinkedIn messages with Missy. My understanding is that he might 395 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:25,439 Speaker 6: have been ruled out, but still in my mind that 396 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 6: is suspicious. Maybe not him, but maybe somebody connected to 397 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 6: that person was upset about what was going on. 398 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,719 Speaker 1: Okay, why are you dancing around the subject? Were they 399 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 1: having sex affairs? Simple? 400 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 6: Yes, No, The messages are called flirtatious. I think that's 401 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 6: the best. We don't know. I don't know if they were. 402 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 6: You can only suppose it what was going on. You 403 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 6: know that does happen in marriages sometimes, and it does 404 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 6: lead to murders sometimes, but of course most no, I 405 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 6: would hope. 406 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: Dave mac joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter I recalled 407 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:11,160 Speaker 1: distinctly at the time sex affairs were alleged, Dave Ellen, 408 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: do I don't care. I don't care who's sleeping with who, 409 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: cats and dogs sleeping together, don't care. I'm not the 410 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 1: church lady. I'm trying to get information regarding a potential 411 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:28,880 Speaker 1: motive so I can get to the killer. I don't care. 412 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,640 Speaker 1: Who's doing what with who, doesn't matter, Dave mac were 413 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 1: they having sex affairs? 414 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 10: According to a search warrant released my law enforcement, Missy 415 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 10: Beavers was allegedly having an affair. 416 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 1: What about him, Brandon Beavers? 417 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 10: They say affairs plural meaning law enforcement, But I'm not 418 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:51,199 Speaker 10: seeing anything on Brandon specifically having an affair. The couple 419 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 10: had serious financial struggles that also came out during the investigation, 420 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,360 Speaker 10: and they had text messages back and forth between Brandon 421 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 10: and Missy about their financial issues. The other external to 422 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 10: the marriage, intimate relationships, seem to be on Missy's side 423 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 10: of things. 424 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 1: Okay, not judging, don't care. I'm trying to get to 425 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 1: a potential motive because to me, Alan Duke, let's see 426 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 1: that video again. This is the best thing we've got 427 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: in the case. Never have gotten any substantial DNA nothing. 428 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: Keep on the video. You've got a slew footed killer. 429 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 1: Toes point out, they're short around five to two to 430 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 1: five seven, the way they walk. I'm just telling you, 431 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: I think it's a woman. I've always thought it was 432 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,719 Speaker 1: a woman. What is the motive. It's not a sex attack, 433 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: it's not a theft, it's not a burglary. So what 434 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: would the motive be? Anger? Hate? Revenge Alan Duke over 435 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 1: an alleged affair between Missy Beaver and a woman's husband. 436 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 6: It's what's been in my mind for all these years 437 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:11,680 Speaker 6: is that that is the most obvious thing because it happens, 438 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 6: and it's a mystery to me as to why the 439 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,439 Speaker 6: Midlothian Police haven't been able to get to the bottom 440 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 6: of that. Keep in mind about every two years they've 441 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 6: changed investigators, which may be good, may be bad. But 442 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 6: the one that took over in twenty eighteen, Sergeant Vaughn 443 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:32,159 Speaker 6: Andy Vaughn, is no longer even a detective there. He's 444 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 6: in charge of support services for the department, which is 445 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 6: an administrative thing. If you look at his resumes with the 446 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 6: other resumes, what was their qualifications really? To dig into this, 447 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 6: I hate to say this, but this was a small 448 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:49,199 Speaker 6: town department. Joe can certainly speak to this. My question 449 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 6: is I've always wondered, also, what did they do at 450 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 6: the scene that might have compromised the scene? It was raining? 451 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 6: Where were their footprints? Why couldn't they they get something? 452 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 6: Now the advances in a decade in DNA testing. I mean, 453 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 6: I'll send in my DNA if it helps the case. 454 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 6: Everybody seems to have sent their DNA in and they're 455 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 6: not able to track anything. What are they doing? Why 456 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 6: after ten years, hasn't the forensic science advanced to the 457 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 6: point that we can solve this? 458 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,640 Speaker 1: And I also wonder how often they're sending what they 459 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: do have in for repeat testing. Okay, back to what 460 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: you're saying to Doctor Jeralin Utter joining us a clinical 461 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 1: psychologist specializing in forensic cases. Doctor Jerlin the mode of 462 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: death repeat stabbings, potentially with a pickaxe or a pick 463 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 1: to the head, very often in revenge or anger killing. 464 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: Specifically when women are the victim. Their beauty is destroyed, 465 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 1: their face is desecrated. Think about kill gonsolves and Mattie Morgan, 466 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 1: Brian Coberger kill them, stab them, including in their faces. 467 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 1: That's horrific to even imagine some of their teeth were 468 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: actually dislodged. He was desecrating their beauty because of his 469 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: repressed sex problems. According to some experts, does this seem 470 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 1: like an angry wife Hale bent on revenge? 471 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 3: This this definitely seems like someone that wants to inflict 472 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 3: pain and to your point, desecrate her. Because again I'll 473 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 3: make the statement we referenced it as overkill. It wasn't 474 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 3: like they were just trying to kill her and move on. 475 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 3: They wanted to inflict pain. And then even if she 476 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 3: died quickly, and Joe Morgan's the one that can answer that, 477 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 3: they wanted to mangle her, you know, her face, her chest. 478 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 3: That's what you want to pay attention to, because maybe 479 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 3: they are trying to desecrate her beauty and you know, 480 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 3: make it so there's a close casket and really really 481 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 3: hurt her and maim her. But another thing that I 482 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 3: was thinking, and again, Nancy, this is just the thought. 483 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 3: We're surmising or hypothesizing that this could be a female. 484 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 3: But this female could also be the one that she 485 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 3: may have had a relationship with. We don't know. We're 486 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 3: making the assumption that this could be an angry wife. 487 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 3: But also let's just be opening. 488 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: Okay, I've got it on good authority that all that 489 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: her affair was with a male. But you're right to 490 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: pursue every possible avenue you have to, and if you don't, 491 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 1: you'll hear about it at trial. Hey, did you focus 492 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: on my client first? Did you get tunnel vision? Did 493 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: you ever look at this? Did you ever look at that? 494 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: So they have to investigate exactly what you just said 495 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 1: to you. Joe Scott Morgan following up on what doctor 496 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: jeralden Utter just said. The manner of death. Wow, that 497 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 1: many blows to her head, her torso, including her breasts. 498 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 1: What is that telling you? You've seen this before. 499 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 8: It's overkilled, Nancy, particularly with a sharp instrument. Okay, So 500 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 8: remember what I said earlier about we can get an 501 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 8: idea of the physical relationship. And I'm talking about it 502 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 8: as a crime scene, all right, just to qualify that 503 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 8: relative to the perpetrator and Missy, I think that she 504 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 8: would have had to have been on her back because 505 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 8: they're talking about her sustaining these wounds to the chest. 506 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 8: This goes to this idea that maybe you know they're 507 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 8: saying head that could mean face. And I say one 508 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 8: other thing too, Nancy, When I look at this individual 509 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 8: kind of ambulate around first, off, they pronate, which means 510 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 8: they turn in their feet. They're walking on the balls 511 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 8: of their feet. If you look at the right leg, 512 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 8: it looks as though there could potentially be some kind 513 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 8: of existent injury because even though they both feet pronate, 514 00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 8: the one on the right looks like they favored that 515 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 8: leg as well. Another bit here. This person is a 516 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 8: real slob, whoever they are. They're dressed also in riot 517 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 8: gear because what this is, what this is when you 518 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 8: see them, they're carrying around a lot of weight. This 519 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 8: is very bulky. They've got a vest on. It looks 520 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 8: like they've got a helmet on. They had to have 521 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 8: snuck up on Missy. Missy. You know you showed that 522 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 8: image just a second ago of Missy climbing that rope. 523 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 8: She is in top shade. Okay, this person is not 524 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 8: going to go face to face with her because they're moving. 525 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 8: They almost look like the micheline man. Okay, and they're 526 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 8: having to attack her. This is a very dynamic environment, Nancy. 527 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 8: This person is easily i think identifiable just visually you 528 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 8: begin to do gate analysis. If she or he has 529 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 8: got a bad leg, he can't change that, and you 530 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 8: can't change the way you walk. This is something we 531 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 8: have understood forensics for a long long time, so I 532 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 8: think that the field can be narrowed here significantly. I'm 533 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 8: wondering if the FBI has gotten involved with this and 534 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 8: they've done an actual gait analysis on her or him, 535 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 8: because that's the reality of what they can do at 536 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 8: this point. You couple that with, as Alan mentioned earlier, 537 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 8: with modern forensics, modern in our context relative to DNA evidence, 538 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 8: how sensitive everything is now. I just hope that they 539 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 8: have enough sample of whatever it is they had in 540 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 8: the beginning that they can still run it through to testing. 541 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: Imagine this video with the helmet off and let's just 542 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 1: pretend a long ponytail hanging down the back. Keep watching 543 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 1: as the person walks, keep watching. I mean, Alan Duke, 544 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 1: I can totally visualize this being a woman right there. 545 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 6: There's another thing that did not exist ten years ago 546 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 6: that they can use. That's a on you see all 547 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 6: these fake AI videos. There probably are AI tools now 548 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 6: or will be in another week or two. The way 549 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 6: it's going that they can take this video and they 550 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 6: can sharpen it, they can change it, they can generate 551 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,879 Speaker 6: more detail in it, and we're going to see more 552 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 6: have they done that. Have they thought about doing that? 553 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,359 Speaker 6: I think that they should because we're ten years down 554 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 6: the road and things are so much more, so much 555 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,360 Speaker 6: more as possible with analyzing video, and I want to 556 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 6: see them do that. 557 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:40,959 Speaker 1: The population there was just twenty two thousand people at 558 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 1: the time Missy was murdered. 559 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,560 Speaker 10: Mid Lothian, Texas is having some severe weather, not severe 560 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,840 Speaker 10: enough to prevent mother of three, Missy Beavers, early morning 561 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 10: fitness class. As you posts on Facebook, if it's raining, 562 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 10: we're still training. No excuses. You are gladiators, MISSI informed students. 563 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,479 Speaker 10: Because the rain, they will be training inside the church 564 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,359 Speaker 10: rather than the parking lot. Beavers arrives at the church 565 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 10: before the sun comes up to get things prepared for 566 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:08,760 Speaker 10: her gladiators. 567 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 11: Missy Beavers arrives at Creekside Church at four sixteen am 568 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,920 Speaker 11: and begins setting up for her five am fitness class. 569 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,280 Speaker 11: She doesn't realize there's someone else in the building. Video 570 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,439 Speaker 11: surveillance inside Creekside Church shows a person dressed in full 571 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 11: police SWAT tactical gear walking through the halls of the 572 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,279 Speaker 11: church with an unusual gait while clutching a hammer. The 573 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 11: unknown person uses force to get into the church when 574 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 11: he is first seen on video about three point fifty 575 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 11: am Alan Duke. 576 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,280 Speaker 1: She put it out there, even if it rains, we're 577 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:42,960 Speaker 1: going to train anyone interested at all, and Missy Beavers 578 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:43,799 Speaker 1: could find that. 579 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 6: Yes, it was obvious if you were so motivated, and 580 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,880 Speaker 6: apparently this person was so motivated. I agreed with you. 581 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 6: They weren't burglarizing, they weren't trying to take anything but 582 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,279 Speaker 6: her life. And it was there. She put it out 583 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,320 Speaker 6: on Facebook. I'm going to be there, I'm going to 584 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,799 Speaker 6: be alone, and that's your opportunity. 585 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,120 Speaker 1: And the person went in ahead of time and was 586 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 1: lying in wait. Correct, Alan. 587 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,919 Speaker 6: They knew the routine, they knew that she would be there, 588 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:15,719 Speaker 6: probably at a certain time. They arrived just before four 589 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,680 Speaker 6: o'clock in the morning. It was about sixteen or seventeen 590 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,239 Speaker 6: minutes later that Missy walks in and is attacked. And 591 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 6: by the way, we don't see the video that they got. 592 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 6: The police do have other video of her entering, of 593 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,440 Speaker 6: the suspect entering, and of other things happening, but we 594 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 6: don't see them. We have only seen two minutes of 595 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,360 Speaker 6: for six blurry security cameras. 596 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,200 Speaker 1: I wonder why they're still hanging on to it, Allan, 597 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:40,719 Speaker 1: I don't. 598 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,239 Speaker 6: Think that they're even releasing the police report, still saying 599 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:47,840 Speaker 6: it's an active investigation. Maybe Dave mac or Joe Scott 600 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,480 Speaker 6: no different. But I know we were requesting it and 601 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,440 Speaker 6: they were saying, no, we can't let you have the 602 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:56,359 Speaker 6: initial police report. The officer responding to the scene would 603 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,799 Speaker 6: have filled that out. How do they handle the crime scene? 604 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 6: What did they see we have? I've never seen it 605 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,040 Speaker 6: and I don't think it's ever been released. 606 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,560 Speaker 1: What was the point of entry? Allan? 607 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:11,800 Speaker 6: It was apparently a fourth century and breaking glass four century. 608 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 6: I don't know which door it was in, but it 609 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,960 Speaker 6: was supposedly according to the chief years ago, it was 610 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,800 Speaker 6: a forced entry. 611 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 1: To Dave Matt, what can you tell me about unusual 612 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 1: linked in messages Missy got within about three days before 613 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 1: her murder. 614 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,880 Speaker 10: There was a message that arrived less than three days 615 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:42,360 Speaker 10: before the murder, and it shocked Missy enough that she 616 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 10: shared it with a very close friend. Showed her the 617 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:48,960 Speaker 10: message because it was weird and creepy and from a man, 618 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,920 Speaker 10: or allegedly a man, and Missy didn't know who the 619 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,440 Speaker 10: person was, but it bothered her enough to show it 620 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,439 Speaker 10: to the friend. The friend also took least she didn't 621 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,239 Speaker 10: know who this individual was. So you've got an anonymous 622 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:05,680 Speaker 10: or an unknown person sending a creepy message to Missy 623 00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,360 Speaker 10: Beaver's in seventy two hours before she's you. 624 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 1: Give you any idea what was in the message, Dave 625 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 1: mac No. 626 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 6: They have not. 627 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 10: Just it has been called creepy and strange. That is 628 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:18,719 Speaker 10: all we've been told about it, you know. 629 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,960 Speaker 1: Alan Duke, I would not put it past the killer 630 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 1: to have staged that to make it look as if 631 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:31,080 Speaker 1: she had a male stalker to throw interest elsewhere. 632 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:36,680 Speaker 6: Social media messaging and misinformation is the area I've worked 633 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 6: in for the last ten years, as you know, at 634 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,560 Speaker 6: lead Stories, and I can tell you it's very easy 635 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,640 Speaker 6: to deceive somebody with a post on LinkedIn or Facebook 636 00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,319 Speaker 6: or anywhere, because they don't really know who you are. 637 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,200 Speaker 6: You could be in a different country, you could be 638 00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,960 Speaker 6: somebody completely different, and it would be a good way 639 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:56,600 Speaker 6: of setting something up if someone had the forethought and 640 00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:57,799 Speaker 6: the motivation to do that. 641 00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,200 Speaker 1: I have no doubt this was planned in advance. 642 00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:05,320 Speaker 10: Missy Beaver's death investigation now includes a vehicle of interest 643 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 10: that police say is captured on surveillance cameras at a 644 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,200 Speaker 10: nearby business just before the murder. It's a twenty ten 645 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,760 Speaker 10: to twenty twelve niss On Ultimus silver or light color 646 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,120 Speaker 10: with a no oval sticker on its bumper. Police also 647 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,680 Speaker 10: rule out Missy Beaver's husband, Brandon, as he is on 648 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:20,600 Speaker 10: an annual fishing trip at the time of the murder, 649 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:24,799 Speaker 10: but Brandon's father, Missy Beaver's father in law, Randy, might 650 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,120 Speaker 10: have some explaining to do a police search. One that 651 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,280 Speaker 10: says four days after the murder, Randy Beavers took bloody 652 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,760 Speaker 10: shirts to the Dry Clean supercenter of mid Lothian. 653 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,879 Speaker 1: Allan, that was a dead end. Explain, Yeah, it. 654 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,200 Speaker 6: Was an animal's blood, I think a dog blood. There 655 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:44,560 Speaker 6: were no no signs of human blood on that laundry, 656 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:48,080 Speaker 6: so that was a dead end. It did raise suspicion 657 00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,080 Speaker 6: about the father in law, but didn't go anywhere. 658 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,960 Speaker 1: The point of entry was on the side door on 659 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,759 Speaker 1: the north southwest side. A pride bar was used to 660 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:03,520 Speaker 1: smash a glass pain and all this went down about 661 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:10,160 Speaker 1: thirty minutes before Missy arrived. I'm convinced Alan Dick that 662 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,600 Speaker 1: the knew, of course Missy would be there, knew what 663 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,840 Speaker 1: time she would be there and knew that the husband 664 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 1: was out of town on an annual fishing trip. In 665 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:25,719 Speaker 1: a community that's small, you know when your neighbor is 666 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:26,920 Speaker 1: going on a fishing trip. 667 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:32,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, and probably knew what door not to smash so 668 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,520 Speaker 6: that it wouldn't raise her suspicion as she entered Derek, 669 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,200 Speaker 6: Now that I think of it, she probably went through 670 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,080 Speaker 6: a regular door that she would regularly go through, and 671 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,200 Speaker 6: this person apparently knew that and smash the window in 672 00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:44,000 Speaker 6: the other door. 673 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:48,680 Speaker 1: And the suspect enters at three point fifty am. Missy 674 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:53,840 Speaker 1: walks in at four eighteen am eighteen minutes later. Quite 675 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,440 Speaker 1: the coincidence. Alan, You and I both agree, there is 676 00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,640 Speaker 1: no coincidence. In criminal law, I. 677 00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,480 Speaker 6: Agree, there's no no question in my mind, this was 678 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,359 Speaker 6: not a burglary. This was a planned killing. If it's 679 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,560 Speaker 6: a burglar, why would a burglar invest in this fake 680 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,839 Speaker 6: swat gear? Police get up and put it on and 681 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,840 Speaker 6: go in. Why would they do that just for a burglary? 682 00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,759 Speaker 6: No burglar. Burglars, by the way, are about the stupidest 683 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,919 Speaker 6: people I know. I met a few of them, put 684 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,000 Speaker 6: some in jail. And this was not a burglar. 685 00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:31,320 Speaker 1: Alan, Duke joining US editor in chief lead Stories dot com. 686 00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:36,000 Speaker 1: Where does the investigation stand now, Well. 687 00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,600 Speaker 6: They've switched investigators off and on. They say they're working 688 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,279 Speaker 6: with the state police. The FBI has a role in it. 689 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,239 Speaker 6: But as Joe Scott mentioned earlier, let's hope that they're 690 00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:50,040 Speaker 6: resubmitting the DNA evidence if there is any for reanalysis 691 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,960 Speaker 6: with the new forensics. On many cold cases, it's just 692 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,359 Speaker 6: a matter, I guess, of waiting for technology to give 693 00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,719 Speaker 6: you a clue to help you. You know, you've You've 694 00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,600 Speaker 6: done many many of the show those where killers were 695 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:05,160 Speaker 6: caught because of DNA advancements or other technology, and I 696 00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:09,080 Speaker 6: think really AI video technology could play a role in this. 697 00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,000 Speaker 6: So I guess we just got to sit on our 698 00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,440 Speaker 6: hands while police do something. Un Let's hope they're doing it. 699 00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,800 Speaker 1: Alan, Did you ever believe that we would be trying 700 00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,080 Speaker 1: to solve Missy Beaver's murder ten years later? 701 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:25,560 Speaker 6: No, No, I thought that the attention to it that 702 00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:29,280 Speaker 6: you gave to it, that others and other news agencies 703 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,000 Speaker 6: gave to it would put pressure on the police to 704 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:36,759 Speaker 6: open up. And it's amazing now how the crimes are 705 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:42,040 Speaker 6: solved because detectives do that. They let information out there 706 00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,879 Speaker 6: so we can crowdsource it. I know some people turn 707 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,600 Speaker 6: their nose up at doing that, and some law enforcement, 708 00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,880 Speaker 6: but that's I think is what's needed. If you go 709 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,120 Speaker 6: in line search Missy Beaver's you'll see a lot of 710 00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:55,320 Speaker 6: people and Reddit and elsewhere are talking about it. Let's 711 00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:59,200 Speaker 6: do more and let's solve this. You know, some of 712 00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:03,360 Speaker 6: the big murders over time have been solved because somebody 713 00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,160 Speaker 6: actually said, hey, I'm free, I'm going to write a 714 00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,759 Speaker 6: book about it. And I doubt that we'll see a 715 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:11,520 Speaker 6: book written about this, but maybe there's going to be 716 00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:15,080 Speaker 6: a confession somewhere along the line. Somebody on their deathbed 717 00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:16,200 Speaker 6: will make a confession. 718 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,080 Speaker 1: I don't know, but I hope you don't have to 719 00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:22,920 Speaker 1: wait for someone else to die before the case is solved. Guys, 720 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:30,480 Speaker 1: you're seeing Missy Beavers, a beautiful young mom, a wife, 721 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:35,960 Speaker 1: fitness enthusiast, her whole life before her murdered brutally in 722 00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,799 Speaker 1: the local church. If you know or think you know 723 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:45,239 Speaker 1: anything about her murder, please dial mid Lothian PD nine 724 00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,759 Speaker 1: seven to two seven seven five seven six two four 725 00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:53,840 Speaker 1: or Ellis County Sheriff's nine seven two nine three seven 726 00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:59,240 Speaker 1: seven to two nine seven, we remember American hero Deputy 727 00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:04,600 Speaker 1: Sheriff Deputy Marshal Thomas Weeks, U S. Department of Justice, 728 00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,600 Speaker 1: shot in the line of duty after twenty one years, 729 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:15,880 Speaker 1: leaving behind wife turned widow, Kelly, and four children, Abbey, Mackenzie, 730 00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:23,280 Speaker 1: Brady and Patrick. American hero Deputy Marshall Thomas Weeks. Thanks 731 00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,400 Speaker 1: to our guests, but especially to you for being with us. 732 00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,800 Speaker 1: Nancy Gray signing off for tonight, but I'll see you 733 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:34,680 Speaker 1: tomorrow night, and until then, good night friend.