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Speaker 1: Julianne says sheep enjoyed, of course, but it all got

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Speaker 1: to be a bit much. They were once in invited

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Speaker 1: to have lunch with Princess Grace Kelly and Monaco, and

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Speaker 1: Julianne said that it was lovely and quote wonderful being

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Speaker 1: waited on by all these footmen. But then she thought

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Speaker 1: about being Grace Kelly and having to be in charge

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Speaker 1: of all that and make sure everything was perfect all

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Speaker 1: the time, and it just sounded overwhelming. She said, quote

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Speaker 1: luxury should be luxury, not every day. I mean I

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Speaker 1: kind of feel that, seriously. That's why I like, I

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Speaker 1: kind of never want to own a swimming pool. I mean,

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Speaker 1: unless you know I can afford people to take care

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Speaker 1: of it for me. Well, that's the question is how

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Speaker 1: rich are you? Rich enough for the pool but not

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Speaker 1: rich enough for the preside take care of But then

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00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 1: even then, if I'm paid somebody take care of the pool,

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00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:45,639
Speaker 1: I gotta keep up with them and make sure that

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Speaker 1: they're doing it and schedule them. And at some point

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Speaker 1: I have to be paying attention to someone who's paying

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Speaker 1: attention to all the people working for me. Right, I

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Speaker 1: have thought that before. You know, say we won the

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Speaker 1: billion dollar lottery jack pot or something, don't tell your

447
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,640
Speaker 1: body you would want. Well, we haven't won, so that's better.

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00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,679
Speaker 1: Yet we haven't won. Everybody, you haven't won anything. But

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00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I always think like you would

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00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 1: want to get somebody in charge of that money, someone

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00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: who knows how to handle that amount of money. But

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00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: then I'm like, oh, but that's when that person starts

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Speaker 1: stealing from you, And how do you know that they're

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Speaker 1: not skimming off the top, and how do you even?

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00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 1: It's just crazy. It's a more money, more problems, like

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00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: doing something legal with that money that you then get

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00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: in trouble for exactly not pay your taxes or something

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00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: like that. Happens all the time or all the time,

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Speaker 1: but it happens. Here's what's important, just for our listeners

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Speaker 1: out there, if any of you win, like you know,

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Speaker 1: a million dollars and more in the lottery, don't go

462
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Speaker 1: around sharing that with everybody. You want to kind of

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Speaker 1: stay anonymous, contact me. I'll go over the steps with you.

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Speaker 1: We'll work it out. I'll hang onto the ticket and um,

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00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 1: and we'll make sure that everything is square. Okay, you

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00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: being real shady right now. I don't think you should

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Speaker 1: just say trying to get a million dollars, just trying

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00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: to turn us into fugitives. Look, at a certain point,

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00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: you can buy your freedom. That's clearly true. After their divorce,

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Speaker 1: speaking of luxury, Merv decided to get a yacht because

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00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 1: he always wanted one when they were married, but he

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Speaker 1: decided to wait till after the divorce. Julianne was invited

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Speaker 1: to come on it with their son and everything, and

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Speaker 1: she said, quote, it was kind of nice to go

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Speaker 1: on a yacht, but I'd rather have someone else take

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Speaker 1: the barnacles off of it. Exactly what we're talking exactly.

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Speaker 1: Maintenance is real a boat. I would own a pool

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Speaker 1: before a boat. That's very true. Everyone I know who

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Speaker 1: ever owned a boat, nothing a trouble. I know. Everyone's

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00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: like the best thing to have as a friend with

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Speaker 1: a boat. Yes, and then you get to enjoy the

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Speaker 1: boat without any of the stress of the boat. So

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00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 1: if you own a boat, we'd like to come on

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Speaker 1: your boat. After divorcing Merv in nineteen seventy six, Julianne

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00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: was met with some hard truths even as a successful,

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Speaker 1: wealthy white men in Hollywood. She said, she got pushed

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00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: around because of her gender, and that sound means it's

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Speaker 1: time for the daily double. The category is some bullshita.

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Speaker 1: What is your wager? Oh me, um, I will say, uh,

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00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: thirty two dollars. I'll be going to make it a

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Speaker 1: true daily double. You're putting it all out there, everything

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00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 1: I have as if yeh okay, and your answer is

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Speaker 1: The day after Julian's divorce, she went to put her

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Speaker 1: credit cards in her own name, but the bank would

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Speaker 1: not allow her to because she was this um, because

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00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: she was real crazy. No, I'm sorry, of course, it's

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Speaker 1: because she was a woman. I'm sorry. That takes your

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Speaker 1: score down to zero. The money you never had is

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Speaker 1: now never going to be yours. Yeah, Julian could not because,

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Speaker 1: as you know, women were not allowed to open credit

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Speaker 1: cards or even have their own bank accounts for a

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Speaker 1: significant period of time. So Julianne said, the very next

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Speaker 1: day she got a call from some friends who were

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Speaker 1: starting a bank, and they asked if she was interested

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Speaker 1: in getting involved. So, obviously julian is not the only

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Speaker 1: one who was like this. Sucks. I don't like this system.

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00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: Julian sat up, she said, I'll be right down, and

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Speaker 1: together they started the first Women's Bank of California, and

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Speaker 1: Julianne was instrumental in convincing celebrities to buy stock in

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Speaker 1: the bank and open accounts, with their first member being

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Speaker 1: Mrs Brady herself Florence Henderson. Oh my god, you gotta

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Speaker 1: imagine if Florence Henderson got into anything. Every late seventies,

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00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: everyone is like, well that's what I Yeah, I could

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Speaker 1: trust Mrs Brady. Here's here I go to also do that.

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00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: Then soon Jane Fonda, Phyllis Diller, Fara Fawcett, and and

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Speaker 1: Bancroft for all opening accounts there, and by late nineteen

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Speaker 1: seventy six, sixty three percent of the bank's shareholders were women,

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Speaker 1: holding more than one point five million dollars in stock.

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00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: I mean, this really says there's a need, you know,

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Speaker 1: for what women were like, I'd like to control my finances,

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00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: please and thank you. The bank's own board of directors

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00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: didn't think women had enough experience with personal finance, so

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Speaker 1: the women in charge put extra effort into making sure

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Speaker 1: to help women manage their money, especially after a divorce.

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Speaker 1: I find this a little ironic because women historically were

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Speaker 1: in charge of household finances and household budgeting and stuff

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Speaker 1: like that. So it's very funny to me to be like, well,

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Speaker 1: you can handle it for a house, but like, not

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Speaker 1: for your house, not for yourself, not for yourself. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you'll do something crazy with it, right, I don't understand that,

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Speaker 1: But at any rate, it was just some bullshit as

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Speaker 1: we that's the category we're in. So yeah, I'm sure

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00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: these guys were like, well, sure women can calculate groceries

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Speaker 1: and pay the phone bill, but managing how stock portfolio

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00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: is clearly beyond the capacity of their tiny, tiny brains.

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00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: How could they gamble arbitrarily like we do? Know? When

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00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: and from all over the world came to visit them

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00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: to kind of learn how to open banks themselves, and

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00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: soon similar banks were opening in Japan and countries in Africa.

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00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: This is a cool legacy, amazing Yeah, oh, but wait

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00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: a minute, we skipped over one of the most important

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00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: games of all. I mean, we just said that Jeopardy

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00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: got taken off the air in nineteen seventy five, So

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00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: what the heck have we've been watching this whole time,

545
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: great question with no answer right. Well, of course, the

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00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: show was rebooted in nineteen eighty four and MERV Griffin

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00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: was right back at the helm, but this time Art

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00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: Fleming turned down the job. Art was very popular and

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00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: MERV needed a new host, who of course ended up

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Speaker 1: being Alex Trebek. But Trippec didn't get the job on

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Speaker 1: his own. MERV was pushed to hire him by an

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Speaker 1: executive at NBC. That brings us to Final Jeopardy And

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Speaker 1: the category is famous redheads. All right, everybody place your

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00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: wagers and we'll come back with the answer right after

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00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: these messages. Okay, welcome back to the show. Before the break,

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Speaker 1: we gave you the category famous redheads, and here is

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00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: the answer. This quirky comedian turned Powerhouse TV executive had

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00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: some explaining to do when MERV Griffin called her up

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00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: for advice on finding a new host for Jeopardy contestants. Uh,

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00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: my single contestant, I'm gonna give you two seconds to

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00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: write your question down because we're not paying for the

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Speaker 1: Jeopardy music. So here's your song and done. Diana, you

563
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: were in the lead with forty two trillion dollars. Uh,

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Speaker 1: so you did very well on your daily doubl uh.

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Speaker 1: So what is your response? Who is Carrot Top? I'm

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00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: so sorry Carrot Top was actually not an NBC executive

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00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: in ur. I'm so sorry you might not be coming

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00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: back next week, but let's go ahead and find out

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Speaker 1: what your wager was. Forty one trillion dollars. I'm so

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00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 1: sorry you'll be leaving with a measly trillion dollars today,

571
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: hanging my head in shame. Let me tell you, well,

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00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,719
Speaker 1: let's find out the real answer. So MERV was super

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Speaker 1: nervous about replacing Art Fleming, who, of course had been

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Speaker 1: very popular. But the show was moving to Los Angeles,

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00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: and among other reasons, Fleming was not willing to move.

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00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: Sports Illustrated said in nine that Fleming hated the glitz

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00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: and polish of the New l A show, saying, quote,

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00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: people are more intelligent in New York. New Yorkers are

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Speaker 1: alive with it. In California, there's no mental stimulation. A

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00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: typical conversation consists of, I've got a new diet, how's

581
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: your tennis game? Are those clothes from Gucci? And then

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00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 1: you'll look at each other. I love that. I love that.

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00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: Art Fleming's idea of a conversation in l A all

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00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: ends with people just staring in silence at each other.

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00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 1: What an indictment of l A. We got nothing else

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00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: to say. I've exhausted my conversations. I only have nothing

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00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: to offer man the l A New York feud. I

588
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: guess that's been going on since Hollywood began to I know, right,

589
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 1: I always associate East Coast West Coast with Tupac and Biggie,

590
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: But no, it was Art Fleming first. It was Art Fleming.

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00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,800
Speaker 1: Art versus Trabec was the original Fleming v. Trebek was

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00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: the West and East Coast battle originally. Wow, it changed

593
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 1: a lot in the nineties. Maybe this is very Atlanta

594
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 1: of me, but I like both of you guys. I

595
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: think you each have a lot to offer. Art Fleming

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00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: also thought that the show was getting dumber and the

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00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: answers were designed to lead the contestants into getting the

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00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: Chris's questions right. So anyway, Art was just like, I'm

599
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: done with Jeopardy. I got nothing to do with Jeopardy,

600
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: So I needed somebody new and who has all the

601
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: right answers to TV's toughest questions. The one and only

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00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: Lucile Ball right our bestie, Lucy. Merv was friends with her,

603
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:23,879
Speaker 1: so he calls her up. He's like, listen, I gotta

604
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: replace Art. What am I gonna do? And she said, oh,

605
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: I know, you gotta take this guy. Alex Trebek Canadian, calm, eloquent.

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00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: Everyone loves him. He had been hosting a ton of

607
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 1: game shows before that point, right, A classy gentleman, trustworthy,

608
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: he had it all. The rest is history. Obviously, Trebek

609
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: hosted the show until his own death in That's a

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00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: long time. I mean, he was like the guy um

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00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:58,280
Speaker 1: sad coincidence, though, Art Fleming died in from pancreatic cancer

612
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 1: and Trebek died from the disease twenty five years later

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00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: at eighty years old. Well. Merv Griffin continued to have

614
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 1: a very successful career, and when he retired in nighties six,

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00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: Forbes magazine said that he was the richest Hollywood performer

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00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: in history. Merv himself said that he never knew his

617
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 1: own net worth because quote, it would keep me from

618
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 1: sleeping at night. Don't tell me. He's like, I'm remembering

619
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 1: selling newspapers as a kid, and I feel like I

620
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: would not like myself. From the Jeopardy theme song, Think alone,

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00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 1: which he wrote. He said that he made close to

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Speaker 1: seventy to eighty million dollars. Who again, they will not

623
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Speaker 1: be seeing a penny from us to that song. I'm sorry,

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00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: I'll can't hear it today. We are not going to

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00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: play it. Uh merv was best friends with Ava Gabor

626
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: from the mid eighties until her death in but she

627
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 1: said that they had never been lovers at Julane moved

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00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:03,280
Speaker 1: to a farm in Fluvonic County, Virginia, where she installed

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Speaker 1: a tennis court, and she would invite her friends to

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00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 1: come visit and play. Those friends, Oh, no, one important,

631
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Speaker 1: just some riff raff, like an old actor buddy from

632
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: her teenage theater days when she did Summerstock named Jerry Silberman.

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00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: Whoever heard of that guy? Sounds like a real nobody,

634
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: except later he would change his name to Gene Wilder. Geen,

635
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: you got me again. Gene Wilder and his wife Gilda Radner,

636
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: along with their friends Mel Brooks and his wife Anne Bancroft,

637
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: would come and play tennis with Julianne every Sunday for

638
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 1: fifteen years. Oh my god, she said, all the time

639
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: they spent together, they never stopped laughing. Tennis just to play.

640
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: Like I'm like, I don't like to run and stuff,

641
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: but like, I'll do it for y'all. I'm not in

642
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: the sports, but I am very into Young Frankenstein. So

643
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: oh my god. So Julianne and Merv remained close friends

644
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: their whole life, despite the divorce. She said, quote he

645
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: loved my family and I loved his, so we'd have

646
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,800
Speaker 1: lots of family get togethers. He'd take us all on trips.

647
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: He loved to play games, which I didn't. I still don't.

648
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: She laughed at herself for this, because games are kind

649
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: of her whole thing. I get that I don't love

650
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: games either. So you made millions of dollars creating games.

651
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 1: Very true, so I'm allowed to dislike them. They have done.

652
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: What have you done for me? Games? She said, It

653
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: was like being a chef. She's like, you love giving

654
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: food to other people, but you don't want to go

655
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: home and cook. I see that, or I don't like

656
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 1: I don't like eating it that much. Like I could

657
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: see really enjoying making up the rules and like the

658
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: structure of a game, but being like, I don't want

659
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: to play it. I don't like to compete watching people

660
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 1: have fun playing the game you made and whatever you

661
00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you guys are having fun, but it

662
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: looks awful outdidious who came up with this garden? Did this?

663
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: You get the answers and give the questions. Who's dumb idea?

664
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:13,919
Speaker 1: Was that? Herself? Seeah? Julianne helped create Jeopardy. She also

665
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 1: helped MERV on some of his other shows, and she

666
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 1: and her sister later started a game company called Jam

667
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 1: and Candy. When TV game shows were kind of drying up,

668
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: Julianne read in the paper that people are starting to

669
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: make games on PCs. She said, quote, so I called

670
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: up my sister and said, Maureen, do you want to

671
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: start making games for PCs? Maureen said, what's a PC?

672
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: And I said, I'll call you back when I find

673
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: out that what's a PC? H I'll look it up.

674
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: That's so Hollywood, though, you know, like, I've never heard

675
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: of this thing before, but let's go make some money

676
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: at it. True. She's like, it's the next big thing.

677
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: I'll figure it out now. MERV Griffin passed away in

678
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: two thousand seven at two years old from prostate cancer.

679
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: His tombstone reads, I will not be right back after

680
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: these messages. It's just so great. I love a good

681
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: a good joke on a tombstone, me too. Did we

682
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: already talk about Jack Lemons? I don't. I don't think

683
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: on the air though his tombstone says Jack lemon In

684
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: It's so good, so good. Was like, what a perfect joke.

685
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: I love it. But after MERV Griffin's death, Hollywood Reporter

686
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: published an article saying that MERV Griffin had been a

687
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: closeted gay man. Reporter Ray Richmond said that MERV lived

688
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: his life in the closet, but that it was always

689
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 1: a well known secret in Hollywood. MERV himself always dodged

690
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 1: questions about his sexuality. He even joked to New York

691
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:49,240
Speaker 1: Times once quote, I always tell everybody I'm a quarter sexual.

692
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: I'll do anything with anybody for a quarter, just like Boomer.

693
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 1: Answer right, and I'd be like, you should value yourself

694
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 1: more highly. Right. A lot of this first came up

695
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 1: when in nineteen one, a man named Brent Plot, who

696
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 1: was an employee of Mervs who worked as a bodyguard,

697
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: a horse trainer, and a driver, filed a two hundred

698
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: million dollar palimony lawsuit against MERV Griffin. He said that

699
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 1: he was merv's lover and his business consultant for years,

700
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: and was entitled to a piece of Merv's empire. According

701
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 1: to New York Times, Plot told NBC News quote, we

702
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 1: lived together, shared the same bed, same house. He told

703
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 1: me he loved me. Now, palimony is a not not

704
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: technically a legal term, but it's a portmanteau of pal

705
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 1: and alimony. It refers to situations where the involved parties

706
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 1: aren't married, but it is, you know, referenced in the

707
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 1: courtroom pretty often, and there are cases where, you know,

708
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: people have won these lawsuits. That same year, ninety one,

709
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: Danny Arrio, who was the host of mervs nineteen seventies

710
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: disco show Dance Fever, filed an eleven point three million

711
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: dollars sexual astment suit against MERV for his behavior back

712
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: on Dance Fever. Both cases were dismissed. MERV said of

713
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: plots claims, quote, this is a shameless attempt to extort

714
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: money from me. This former bodyguard and horse trainer was

715
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: paid two and fifty dollars a week, lived in one

716
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 1: of two apartments underneath my former house as part of

717
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: his security function, and left my payroll six or seven

718
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:29,399
Speaker 1: years ago. His charges are ridiculous and untrue. But Ray

719
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,760
Speaker 1: Richmond says in Hollywood Reporter that these scandals only pushed

720
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: MERV further into the closet. He writes that MERV quote

721
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,959
Speaker 1: certainly didn't owe us an explanation, but maybe he owed

722
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 1: it to himself to remove the suffocating veil he'd been

723
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: forced to hide behind. Then again, MERV carved his niche

724
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:47,919
Speaker 1: in the entertainment world at a time when being gay

725
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: wasn't okay, when disclosure was unthinkable, and the allegation alone

726
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 1: could deep six ones career. Uh so, yeah, I mean this,

727
00:42:58,360 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 1: this is a tough one because you know, I'm so

728
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: of uh like, well, believe victims, you know what I mean,

729
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: of course, and of course someone with a lot of

730
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: money is gonna, yeah, say whatever they got to say.

731
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: And the richest man in Hollywood, you know, it's believable

732
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 1: that he could get a case dismissed easily, you know,

733
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: fairly easily. On the other hand, this is sort of

734
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 1: the what's wrong with That's the problem is saying, oh,

735
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 1: there's a certain sexuality, it's not okay to be so

736
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 1: I can blackmail you, I can do anything I want

737
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: to you, and all I have to do is to

738
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 1: this one accusation, and everyone will believe me instead of

739
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: you because of the associations that they had. Right, if

740
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 1: I suggest that you're sexual deviant or abusive, or or

741
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 1: or a pervert or anything like that, the public and

742
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: the courts will believe it merely because I'm saying you're gay. Yeah,

743
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: and they already believe they think of that as a deviant,

744
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: as a perversion, so it's easy to believe that you

745
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 1: could be capable of anything. On the third hand, you know,

746
00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: you've got to look at plot Ontario both coming out

747
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 1: and making these claims, probably bringing a lot of that

748
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 1: same negative attention to themselves for having had you know,

749
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 1: especially plot who said, you know, we slept in the

750
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,879
Speaker 1: same bed together. Um, that's I don't know if he'd

751
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: want to put himself through that for two hundred million

752
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: dollars um, but uh, but it seems like a lot

753
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: to go through. It's very true, there's not a lot

754
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: of reason to do it, even if he wins the money.

755
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 1: There's so much stigma, even in the nineties, it's like,

756
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: why would you do it if if you you know,

757
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 1: if it wasn't really true. But then on the fourth hand,

758
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 1: you have a lot of money, and people want a

759
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 1: piece of it, so they find a way to get

760
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: a piece of it. It's just frustrating. Yeah, and unfortunately,

761
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,280
Speaker 1: you know, that's really all the information there is about

762
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,439
Speaker 1: there about it because the cases were dismissed. I'm sure

763
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: MERV did what he could to get it out of

764
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: the news as much as he could, and being one

765
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: of the most wealthy and powerful people in Hollywood, he

766
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 1: probably had those connections to keep it out of the news. Yeah. Yeah,

767
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 1: up in the air. I could not speculate on this one. Well,

768
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: and that's part of Ray Richmond's story in Hollywood Reporter.

769
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: You know, he doesn't bring it up till after his death,

770
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: and it's immediately after his death, and he points that out.

771
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 1: He's like, it's weird that in two thousand seven, we

772
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: can't even talk about it, you know. So yeah. Yeah.

773
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: On the plus side, that article from two seven laments

774
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: the challenges of being gay in Hollywood, and Richmond writes, quote,

775
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: while it seems everything has changed today, little actually has.

776
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 1: You can count on the fingers of one hand the

777
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: number of high powered stars and public figures who have

778
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: come out. Yeah, hopefully that seems better now than it

779
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 1: wasn't two dozen and seven. I think there's more than

780
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:46,240
Speaker 1: one one hands worth of out gay celebs, it doesn't,

781
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: you know, sexual or whatever. But I'm not a gay celebrity.

782
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: I'm not an aspiring gay actor, so I can't say

783
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 1: what the challenges are like now. But from an outside perspective,

784
00:45:56,280 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 1: it does seem like it's you can come out as

785
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: gay now and not be as worried about your career,

786
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,320
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like, I think there you

787
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 1: still run the risk of, like, well, if audiences see

788
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 1: you as gay, they're not going to believe you in

789
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: this romantic part or whatever. So it's still may very

790
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 1: well cut off some of your audience or uh, you know,

791
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 1: limit the number of roles that you're available for. I

792
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: think that probably is still true, but certainly not like

793
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: you know, even yeah, what feels very recent two thousand seven,

794
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:29,479
Speaker 1: where yeah, I mean it was it was people were

795
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 1: still murmuring about someone like I hate to say it,

796
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: but Kevin Spacey. You know, um at the time where

797
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,439
Speaker 1: the biggest scandal about him was that, like, I think

798
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 1: he's gay, is he ever going to say so? You know,

799
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: obviously with news scandals about now, but it's more much worse.

800
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 1: So he's a bad example given the conversation we were

801
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: just having. But now I'm like, I'm kind of thinking

802
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: because I also was going to mention being typecast if

803
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: you're gay, you can't how if you're an out gay actor,

804
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: you know, they won't put you in a heterosexual love

805
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: story or something. And I immediately was like, well, Neil

806
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: Patrick Harris, you know, played a straight man and everyone

807
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 1: knows he's gay and married and everything. But on the

808
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: other hand, his those roles are you know how I

809
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,280
Speaker 1: Met your mother? And Harold and Kumar their comedy roles,

810
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: it's like part of the fun of the roles that

811
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: you know, he's not interested in these ladies, so you

812
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: can play this really dirty, disgusting, womanizing character in a

813
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: way that like maybe a straight guy couldn't do as

814
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: easily or um or it just wouldn't be as funny,

815
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: especially Harold and Kumar. The joke is like, surprise, I'm

816
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: not actually gay. Yeah, I'm the worst straight person in

817
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: the world. So as of this recording, Julianne is still

818
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: alive at nine three years old. She's living on her

819
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: farm in Virginia. Jam And candy games still seems to

820
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: be kind of going. It's like got a small active presence.

821
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: They've got a couple of little mobile and Facebook games

822
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 1: out there, like Kiss and Cousins with two k's and

823
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:04,760
Speaker 1: other one called Move your Vowels. Okay, Move your Vowels

824
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 1: is number one punt. That's pretty good. But what is

825
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 1: kissing Cousins about? What is the game? I did not

826
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 1: try it, Cousin, as far as I know. I know

827
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: some royals would disagree. That's for a later episode. Julan

828
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 1: told the flu on a review into that the game

829
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: company hadn't made any money, but they would like to

830
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: start hiring people, so it would be nice if they did.

831
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: But she said she'd learned enough from show business that

832
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: you can't set your expectations too high for anything really.

833
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: But then when she was asked about the best part

834
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:44,280
Speaker 1: of her life, she said, quote that's too hard to answer.

835
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: I liked my waitress job because what it did for me.

836
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,760
Speaker 1: People say that when you serve others, you're serving yourself.

837
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: That's true. I loved my marriage, my son, my family.

838
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 1: I'm glad I got the farm. The tennis court changed

839
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 1: my whole life. It's almost like when I was born,

840
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 1: I was put in a magical chariot and went through

841
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 1: life like an idiot, being blessed with all these opportunities.

842
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: My life has been unbelievable. I agree with Julianne. She

843
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: her life has been Yeah, Tennis Court would changed my

844
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Speaker 1: life too. If mel Brooks started hanging out there and

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Speaker 1: thank Gene Wilder and Gilding over every week. Come on,

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Speaker 1: what friends, that's a party and we crash on our

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Speaker 1: time travel. Oh my god, party. They'd be way more

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Speaker 1: noticeable round What are you doing here? Um? But if

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Speaker 1: I could, I would, If I could blend in, I

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Speaker 1: would definitely go and laugh, be a fly on the wall.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, it sounds amazing. I love it this

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Speaker 1: story like in some ways it reminds me, of course,

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Speaker 1: of Lucy and Desi. Um, And in some ways it

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Speaker 1: reminds me of George Lucas and Marcia right because they

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Speaker 1: both um other stories where the you know, the couple

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Speaker 1: was both involved in this massive project. Lucy and Desi

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Speaker 1: a little different because of course, both of them got

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Speaker 1: their own due credit in their own way. As I think,

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Speaker 1: if anything, Lucy got more and I think Desi was

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Speaker 1: lacking a little in what people understand him to have

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Speaker 1: done for the industry. But this kind of in the

862
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Speaker 1: Georgia Marcia way where it's like you hear Jeopardy and

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Speaker 1: obviously the first name you think of his Alex Trebeck.

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Speaker 1: And then if you know, you know, if you watch

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Speaker 1: the show, you see merv Griffin's name at every episode,

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Speaker 1: But who the hell has ever mentioned Julianne in talking

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Speaker 1: about Jeopardy and the whole thing was kind of her

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Speaker 1: idea at least she was, you know, the two of

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Speaker 1: them really developed it together, right, I mean, if there

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Speaker 1: are stories, right, she's the one who's like, well, give

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Speaker 1: them the answer. Then I don't know, put him in Jeopardy,

872
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Speaker 1: Like she's totally coming up with the whole thing exactly,

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00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: and she's you know, she Their divorce was relatively amicable

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Speaker 1: from what I could tell. They did stay friends their

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Speaker 1: whole life, which I loved, like Lucy and DESI um,

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Speaker 1: But it's not like she came out later and was like, actually,

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Speaker 1: Jeopardy was my idea, give me the money, you know.

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Speaker 1: She was just like, yeah, we were a couple and

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Speaker 1: he asked me what I thought. I told him and

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00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,399
Speaker 1: we made this show. Well I'm glad we know about

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00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,720
Speaker 1: Julian now, because I think that's really cool and again,

882
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: what a cool life. Seriously, just to even be on

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Speaker 1: a six D show, you know, cutting it up with

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Speaker 1: the host, that would be such a fun gig. By

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Speaker 1: accident too, right, like exactly on camera. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It reminds me of The Simpsons where Bart does I

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Speaker 1: didn't do it, and he like went out on crusty

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Speaker 1: show and he accidentally knocked a set over. He says

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Speaker 1: I didn't do it, and everyone laughed and then that

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00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: he was like got famous for that. I love it too,

891
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 1: because you know she she was nervous and then she

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Speaker 1: spills the coffee and she's like, I'm fired. You know,

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Speaker 1: she must have had like a thought on her head like, well,

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Speaker 1: I did the thing I was scared I would do,

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Speaker 1: and now I'm screwed. But then she was just funny

896
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 1: on the mic and it was like that's all you need.

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00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: So you know, that's just I guess that's the magic

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00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: of the TV movie biz. That's what makes it kind

899
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 1: of addictive, is that sometimes the most random little thing

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Speaker 1: just sends you off into a j any that you

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Speaker 1: never expected. And that's what people are like, I want that, right,

902
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: want that? I want that? So everybody tell your friends

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00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: about the show, so we can get a TV show. Still,

904
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: some coffee on screen. Give me a chance. I can

905
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: spill coffee as good as anyone. Don't tell my old

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00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:24,879
Speaker 1: boss at the breakfast place. Let's get you on, Jimmy Kimmel.

907
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: You can spill coffee all over him and see what happens. Well,

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Speaker 1: I do hope that merv Griffin was not a big

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Speaker 1: piece of ship. Also, um, but obviously not for us

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Speaker 1: to decide, I suppose because I don't have enough information.

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00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:40,439
Speaker 1: Yeah we can. We can both not say those people

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Speaker 1: were lying and not say you know, merv Griffin was

913
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Speaker 1: guilty or innocent. Yeah, just leave that one there. That

914
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 1: one's that one's for you to decide. You enter your

915
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: own speculation station, decide for yourself, Mervane here. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: in fact, hey, right in and tell us what you think.

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Speaker 1: There you go, merv f n Right in and tell

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00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:03,879
Speaker 1: us how much you're going to tell your friends about

919
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 1: the show. And right in and tell us if you

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00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 1: won the lottery. Oh my god, jeopardy or jeopardy what

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00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 1: another thing I want to do? Uh? In an episode

922
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: coming up, there are several couples who fell in love

923
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 1: on Jeopardy as contestants, and of course I'd love to

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00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,320
Speaker 1: talk about Alex Trebec and his marriage to Jean also,

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00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 1: so well, we'll get into some more Jeopardy stuff on

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Speaker 1: the show. I gotta I have. I have one, two, three,

927
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Speaker 1: four people I know have been on Jeopardy. Wow, which

928
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Speaker 1: I feel like makes me smarter. I mean, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: guess my fifth grade teacher, Mr. Green, smarter by association? Yeah?

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00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 1: Mr Green. Uh, my my high school girlfriend was later

931
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Speaker 1: on Jeopardy. Friend of mine from college, and another friend

932
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Speaker 1: from high school was on a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I know anyone who's ever been on Jeopardy. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know somebody who knows people who been on Jeopardy,

935
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Speaker 1: so close enough, you're a little smarter by association. Maybe

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Speaker 1: I'm this smart one and everyone's waiting for me to

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Speaker 1: be on Jeopardy. Having thought about that, I'm just kidding.

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Speaker 1: No one is waiting for me. We watched that episode

939
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Speaker 1: last night, and you were You knew the answer so

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Speaker 1: well you didn't even feel like you needed to respond.

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Speaker 1: I feab like I was pretty impressive. Yeah, because I

942
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Speaker 1: was definitely paying attention right, you were scrolling on your

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Speaker 1: phone like whatever, yep, counsel of anyway, whatever angle, that's

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Speaker 1: the one I knew, the wrinkle in Time, that's the

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Speaker 1: one I Sam. I think his name was Sam. If

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Speaker 1: you're listening, I did the same thing you did. And

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Speaker 1: the final jeopardy question I was supposed to be what

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Speaker 1: is our American cousin? Could play that? Abraham Lincoln was

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Speaker 1: shot at and he said what is our mutual friend?

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Speaker 1: Which is what I guessed. But that's the Charles Dickens book.

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Speaker 1: He also as soon as he they said no, he

952
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 1: was like, oh, he knew it. He remembered it, which

953
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 1: I was like, that would be me. That would definitely

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Speaker 1: be me. That's why I don't like games, because I

955
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 1: like the minute you asked me what's your favorite book?

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Speaker 1: Or whoever did that song? It's like everything I ever

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Speaker 1: knew is wiped clean from my brain. I'm like a

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00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 1: newborn of songs. I'm calling bullshit once again. Because Diana

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00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 1: Brown hates games. She hates playing them. She doesn't want

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Speaker 1: to do them. If I ever suggested, she's like, no,

961
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 1: anything but that. But when you get her to play

962
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: a game, she wins every time every game, from Settlers

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00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:32,359
Speaker 1: of Catan to Mortal Kombat. This girl dominates, but she

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Speaker 1: won't play. I don't know why you don't like the

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00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:39,399
Speaker 1: feeling of winning. Maybe they're not challenging enough. Wow, I'm

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Speaker 1: just kidding. I don't know. I don't like to compete,

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Speaker 1: and I do get competitive something I get mean. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: you've said something, I've said something cut a little deep sound,

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Speaker 1: but I usually laugh. I know you always don't want

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Speaker 1: to get a twitch and just drive onto and seriously,

971
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:04,319
Speaker 1: you scream the wildest things. It's shocking but hilarious. I'm

972
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 1: also really bad driver, so I crash every time in

973
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Speaker 1: the game, and you're in life. I'm a good driver,

974
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:13,839
Speaker 1: but in Grand Theft Auto and Mario Kart, honestly, any

975
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: any driving game, it is not working out. Its hilarious.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing poor. We do have to start that twitch.

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Speaker 1: It'll do better than this show. I'm telling you, it

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Speaker 1: will be top of the charts. Well, as long as

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Speaker 1: there's no one to be harmed by my my competitive streak,

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Speaker 1: I'm happy to do it. As long as you don't

981
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Speaker 1: find out that it's like war games and the whole

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00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 1: time you've been playing there's been a car out there

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Speaker 1: somewhere doing the actual thing you're doing. My god. Well,

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Speaker 1: but let us hope that you enjoyed this episode because

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Speaker 1: this was really fun. I love learning more about TV

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Speaker 1: people in TV history and Jeopardy and this land. And

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Speaker 1: she started that bank. Oh god, she upside that bank,

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