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Speaker 1: all week. CE this guy down lot on my heart
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Speaker 1: stick around. We do have to talk some more. We
Speaker 1: are going to be discussing and this should really go
Speaker 1: with the second or with the first part of the show.
Speaker 1: We're going to be discussing Republicans versus conservatives. I feel
Speaker 1: like that's kind of an important distinction to make these days,
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of people who are conservative and
Speaker 1: not Republican and vice versa, and I think we need
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Speaker 1: also becoming a better ally now Republicans versus conservatives. Before
Speaker 1: we get there, I'm going to share something that I
Speaker 1: came across that I feel is potent and this will
Speaker 1: be kind of a launch pad for the conversation we're
Speaker 1: going to have. So this comes from a writer named
Speaker 1: William Weir. He's responding to an online forum and I
Speaker 1: just just copied it and I wanted to share it
Speaker 1: because I think that this kind of paints a picture this. First,
Speaker 1: we're going to have a conversation between Democrats and Republicans,
Speaker 1: and then we're going to have a conversation between Republicans
Speaker 1: and conservatives. But first, this is where we'll start. So
Speaker 1: the question posed to William Weir was if we had
Speaker 1: two countries, one filled with liberals only and the other
Speaker 1: filled with conservatives only, in the long run, which country
Speaker 1: would perform better? And this is his response. There are
Speaker 1: a lot of other variables that could influence this, but
Speaker 1: let's just take a look at America. The states with
Speaker 1: the highest poverty rates are Louisiana, New Mexico, West Virginia, Kentucky,
Speaker 1: and Arkansas. New Mexico lean's blue, but the others are
Speaker 1: deep red. The states with the lowest poverty rates are
Speaker 1: New Hampshire, Maryland, Utah, Hawaii, and Minnesota. Utah is red,
Speaker 1: but the others are all blue or lean blue. Okay,
Speaker 1: so that's you know, who has the lowest poverty versus
Speaker 1: who has the highest poverty. All Right, The states with
Speaker 1: the best education are all blue or lean blue, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Minnesota,
Speaker 1: and Wisconsin. The states with the worst are New Mexico, Mississippi,
Speaker 1: South Carolina, Louisiana, and Idaho. Again, all are deep red,
Speaker 1: except for New Mexico. New Mexico has some other things
Speaker 1: going on there. Let's go to the incarceration. The states
Speaker 1: with the highest incarceration rates are Louisiana, Delaware, Mississippi, Oklahoma,
Speaker 1: and Alaska. Once again four red and one blue, which
Speaker 1: is Delaware. The states with the lowest are New Hampshire,
Speaker 1: North Dakota, Minnesota, Massachusetts, and Maine. And the trends and
Speaker 1: the trend holds with one red state, which is North Dakota,
Speaker 1: and the others are all blue or landing blue. Let's
Speaker 1: look at healthcare. The best are Hawaii, Massachusetts, Connecticut, New Jersey,
Speaker 1: and California. A clean sweep for Team Blue. Actually, the
Speaker 1: top ten are all blue as far as healthcare is concerned,
Speaker 1: with Utah scoring the highest of the red states at
Speaker 1: number eleven, and the worst are Mississippi, Arkansas, Oklahoma, West
Speaker 1: Virginia and Louisiana. A clean sweep for Team Red. Ten
Speaker 1: of the bottom eleven are all red, with only one
Speaker 1: swing state, Georgia, coming in at number forty three, and
Speaker 1: with Nevada coming in lowest of the blue states at
Speaker 1: number thirty nine. As if that wasn't enough, eight of
Speaker 1: the ten states who pay the highest federal income taxes
Speaker 1: per capita are blue. And that's you know, states with
Speaker 1: surpluses and states with where people are doing enough to
Speaker 1: afford that and paying in for national funds. You know,
Speaker 1: because states pay to the federal government, and eight of
Speaker 1: the ten states that rely the most on federal funding
Speaker 1: are read. That means the government has to give money.
Speaker 1: So California is paying money to the government. The government
Speaker 1: then gives that money to Alabama, and then people in
Speaker 1: Alabama are like, at least we don't live in California,
Speaker 1: you know, and it's like they're that delusion that you
Speaker 1: spoke of in the first half of the show. Anyway,
Speaker 1: where was I all? Right? Eight of the ten states
Speaker 1: that rely most on federal funding are read. The five
Speaker 1: states with the highest COVID death rates were all red,
Speaker 1: and three of the five with the lowest death rates
Speaker 1: were blue. That's Alaska and Utah were the only red states,
Speaker 1: and they're very sparsely populated. There's not a lot of
Speaker 1: folks in Utah or Alaska, so obviously there are other
Speaker 1: factors involved, or we'd see clean sweeps for every category.
Speaker 1: But the overall trend is clear. Red states are by
Speaker 1: and large terrible at everything, while blue states perform much better. Okay, again,
Speaker 1: this is the writing of William Weir.
Speaker 2: Want to I want to interject, please, because it might
Speaker 2: seem like he's being light there, but they're only fifty states.
Speaker 2: If you're in the bottom five of everything, you're performing terribly.
Speaker 2: I don't want to hear the word terrible and what
Speaker 2: that's being mean or hyperbolic or he's writing with colorful language.
Speaker 1: No, you're in the twentieth or what is it the
Speaker 1: twentieth period? Objectively terrible? Yeah, that's that's fair, all right. So,
Speaker 1: based on the data, in a hypothetical scenario where we
Speaker 1: divide the Red states from the Blue states and form
Speaker 1: two different countries, the Blue country would prosper while the
Speaker 1: Red country would be quickly filled with poor, uneducated, sick
Speaker 1: criminals starving to death with no one to pay for
Speaker 1: their food stamps. Actually that's not entirely true. I'd imagine
Speaker 1: that before that red country devolved to the point that
Speaker 1: they look like the set of a mad Max movie.
Speaker 1: They start listening to some liberals and turn some things around.
Speaker 2: I wonder why he said that as the last sentence.
Speaker 2: And I'm not just talking to our listeners. I'm asking
Speaker 2: Ramses and not that knows this or can speak for you.
Speaker 2: But why on earth would anybody think that, instead of,
Speaker 2: as he said, turning into the set of a mad
Speaker 2: Max movie, that they would just start listening to liberals
Speaker 2: and turn some things around. Why does he think that's
Speaker 2: that's not happening today in real life?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well again, what they would do is.
Speaker 2: Double down on support for the people who have them
Speaker 2: under their thumb or that, because what it sounds like
Speaker 2: here is that while that country was was filled with sick,
Speaker 2: poor people, he's leaving out that someone's in charge, and
Speaker 2: the people in charge would be very wealthy. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: it's and those people in charge will be very wealthy.
Speaker 2: By convincing the people who are not in charge it
Speaker 2: is not his fault or not their fault that things
Speaker 2: are so bad like they're doing right now in real life.
Speaker 1: They would convince them that some other source, because.
Speaker 2: They're kind of are to Americas. Now another problem, right,
Speaker 2: The thing that happened in the wake of nine to
Speaker 2: eleven September eleventh, two thousand and one, was that our
Speaker 2: then Republican president, who and this is objective fact, did
Speaker 2: not respond fantastically to that situation, could have been prepared,
Speaker 2: but ignored information and data coming from analysts after the fact.
Speaker 2: Found someone to other, because that's what we're really good at.
Speaker 2: Found an entire group of people to other. And for
Speaker 2: a very brief amount of time, we were the United
Speaker 2: States of America. Even if that was united in bigotry
Speaker 2: and hate and fear, we were united. We had an enemy,
Speaker 2: we had someone to point to, we had someone to blame,
Speaker 2: and we got to look at each other as brothers
Speaker 2: and sisters as we were either scared or hateful. You
Speaker 2: were one of the other, as you waved your flag
Speaker 2: and singing the Star Spangled banners. Start to feel a
Speaker 2: little different, even if temporarily because you were afraid of
Speaker 2: a group of people or because you hated a group
Speaker 2: of people, or both. Since then, and maybe not since
Speaker 2: that moment, but now this is very very much two
Speaker 2: different Americas, with two different agendas, with two different points
Speaker 2: of view.
Speaker 1: Two different sets of facts, two.
Speaker 2: Different sets of values. We are not united in our
Speaker 2: request against anything. The most vulnerable and weak our country
Speaker 2: has ever been. Now that's true.
Speaker 1: Ever because we see one another as the enemy. Isn't
Speaker 1: that weird?
Speaker 2: So we see one another as the enemy. So why
Speaker 2: in this story does he believe that things would get
Speaker 2: so bad that one side would ever look at the
Speaker 2: other side and say, you know what, you guys are
Speaker 2: doing this thing better than we are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Because, and I'll add to that, there's there's a
Speaker 1: lot of countries around the world where they do a
Speaker 1: lot of things better than the United States, and we
Speaker 1: don't try. Well. There are some of some at least liberals,
Speaker 1: that that point to those countries as examples, the countries
Speaker 1: like Finland and in Switzerland and so forth.
Speaker 2: And social problem with pointing at any other country. You
Speaker 2: just said one of those bad words socialist our country
Speaker 2: and those imposers problem want to keep us weak and poor,
Speaker 2: have turned those those type of governments and to bad words.
Speaker 2: There are people in this country that hear the words
Speaker 2: socialist and think that it's a bad word. They have
Speaker 2: no idea what it means. Yeah, they are socialists. They
Speaker 2: hear communists. They hear anything that's not democracy and capitalists,
Speaker 2: and it's a bad word. So it could not be better.
Speaker 2: So the idea that you could get sick and go
Speaker 2: to the doctor and get help, help is without being rich,
Speaker 2: should sound great to everyone.
Speaker 1: It feels scary to them. Yeah, So here's let me
Speaker 1: make sure that I'm very clear. I know that when
Speaker 1: I when I mentioned like Finland and Switzerland, places like that,
Speaker 1: those are capitalistic countries with very robust.
Speaker 2: Socialist program as is Canada a much closer, a great
Speaker 2: example to and I know that socialism and socialist programs
Speaker 2: are kind of.
Speaker 1: The enemy of you know, our brothers and sisters who
Speaker 1: are in the Republican Party. However, the point I was
Speaker 1: making was to bolster your point, which is, we have
Speaker 1: clear examples of countries that are doing great things. You know,
Speaker 1: they've they've socialized health care, they've they've done a lot
Speaker 1: of things that really make the citizens on the ground,
Speaker 1: the people that live in the countries, the human beings
Speaker 1: and the environment, the animals and the trees and so
Speaker 1: forth better. And so with those examples, certainly a lot
Speaker 1: of books on the right will ignore those examples and
Speaker 1: continue to double and triple down on what they're doing.
Speaker 1: So I think you're right in that they might ignore
Speaker 1: the liberal side of things that he's that he.
Speaker 2: Mentioned no question, our leaders, and this is just subjective fact.
Speaker 2: Our leaders in general have prioritized profit and capitalist endeavors
Speaker 2: over well being of the citizen. For sure, that's a
Speaker 2: fact across the shore. But our Republican leaders have done
Speaker 2: that to a far more extreme end and continue to
Speaker 2: do so.
Speaker 1: So let's do this. Let's I want to make a distinction.
Speaker 1: It might be a very small distinction, but I want
Speaker 1: to make a distinction between Republicans and conservatives. This show
Speaker 1: was started in Phoenix, Arizona in twenty twenty. That was
Speaker 1: the first place to give us a home. KKFR Power
Speaker 1: ninety eight point three, the first person outside of Phoenix,
Speaker 1: Arizona that welcomed our show and allowed our show to
Speaker 1: be syndicated. That birthed the Now we're on seventy five
Speaker 1: radio stations around the country, sharing these concepts and hopefully
Speaker 1: creating better allies out of you, our listeners. First person
Speaker 1: that give us a green light and allow us to
Speaker 1: air this show is a man named Steve, and Steve
Speaker 1: has mentioned to me that he is a conservative man,
Speaker 1: and I had to wrestle with that because I'm about
Speaker 1: as left as they come. Well, I guess I'm not
Speaker 1: as left as they come, but you know, I'm like
Speaker 1: bleeding heart liberal with mine, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I want to help the world. I think we can
Speaker 1: all make it rainbows and butterflies and unicorns. This is
Speaker 1: what you calls me, and has called me that for years.
Speaker 1: But I really do believe that that's the best way
Speaker 1: to be, you know, to be kind to each other,
Speaker 1: to love each other, and to refer to each other
Speaker 1: as brothers and sisters, because it reminds us that we're
Speaker 1: all kind of playing the same game here and we
Speaker 1: can go a lot further together. Right. This is just ramses,
Speaker 1: you know. And Steve is a more conservative guy, you know.
Speaker 1: And yet and still he saw his brother trying to
Speaker 1: do something for his people, and he says he didn't
Speaker 1: even just say, yeah, it's fine, go ahead and do
Speaker 1: it because of the cultural climate. He said, I love
Speaker 1: the show, How can I invest more into it? Right,
Speaker 1: So I'm going to go back even further. Sorry Steve
Speaker 1: for putting your political beliefs out there on the radio,
Speaker 1: but you know it happened that way, and we love you. Man.
Speaker 1: I'm going to go back further, if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 1: My birth mother was a conservative, right She was a
Speaker 1: preacher's wife. She loved her from Jesus, and she found
Speaker 1: herself kind of having more conservative beliefs right now. She
Speaker 1: was not a Republican. She didn't, or let me say,
Speaker 1: she did not vote Republican as far as I know,
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't spend a lot of time with her.
Speaker 1: She left my life when I was very young, but
Speaker 1: well not very young, but young enough before I started
Speaker 1: paying attention to these sorts of things. But she was
Speaker 1: admittedly a conservative person. And she was black, not quite
Speaker 1: as black as I am, but black. She lived the
Speaker 1: reality of a black woman, you know. And I know
Speaker 1: lots of black people who feel the same way. And
Speaker 1: I know lots of non black people who are just
Speaker 1: very conservative, very traditional, traditional values, these sorts of things,
Speaker 1: and their only option, well not their only option, but
Speaker 1: the option that they feel is closest to that way
Speaker 1: of thinking is the Republican Party. And it's like if
Speaker 1: I was to say, I'm not a fan of Joe Biden,
Speaker 1: but I'm going to vote for him. I could see
Speaker 1: a similar thing happening from folks on that side saying,
Speaker 1: I am not that this Republican Party is not I'm
Speaker 1: not a fan of this Republican party, but that's the
Speaker 1: only option, and I'm going to vote Republican. I'm a
Speaker 1: conservative person. I believe in conservative values. I believe in
Speaker 1: this and and the third and so I feel like
Speaker 1: somewhere in there is the dividing line between a Republican
Speaker 1: and a conservative, and I don't know where that is,
Speaker 1: but I do know that there are some people who,
Speaker 1: based on their walk through life, they are nothing like
Speaker 1: a Donald Trump figure. They don't like a Donald Trump figure.
Speaker 1: They actively work against the Donald Trump figure. And yet
Speaker 1: they are conservative people and their only option to vote
Speaker 1: based on their conservative beliefs is Republicans. So they either
Speaker 1: vote Republican, which is a vote for Donald Trump, or
Speaker 1: they don't vote because they do not espouse a more
Speaker 1: progressive liberal philosophy. And in the same way that I
Speaker 1: don't espouse a conservative philosophy. It's a weird place to be.
Speaker 2: This is such a scary, strange place to be because
Speaker 2: you have to marginalize the plight of others.
Speaker 1: A whole group of people in order to get your
Speaker 1: conservative vote off right or a Republican vote off.
Speaker 2: Saying it might be true for both parts for both
Speaker 2: parties around, though they're always there, typically true, but this
Speaker 2: time around worse than ever before. Our tax dollars paid
Speaker 2: during this current administration's time in office directly funding what
Speaker 2: many have coined and I count us among them as genocide.
Speaker 2: So typically you get to stand on the moral ground
Speaker 2: of man. This this group is actively working against an entire.
Speaker 1: People.
Speaker 2: That being true for both parties is a crazy position
Speaker 2: to be, and it's in it's almost impossible to say,
Speaker 2: but hey, here at home, here at home, one party
Speaker 2: is looking to disenfranchise citizens of this country. It's a
Speaker 2: cruel distinction to make, but it is a distinction to make.
Speaker 2: There is a group that is looking to disenfranchise citizens
Speaker 2: of this country a whole.
Speaker 1: And the mass.
Speaker 2: But then we have brothers and sisters who are citizens
Speaker 2: of this country, who are also ethnically members of our
Speaker 2: brothers and sisters on the other side of the world,
Speaker 2: who are dealing with some of the worst circumstances in
Speaker 2: the history of humanity, funded by our current administration today.
Speaker 2: It is a very very very impossible place to be
Speaker 2: right now with trying to encourage anyone to participate in
Speaker 2: our political landscape.
Speaker 1: And yet and still the only way that Eyebramses believes
Speaker 1: that it gets better is a vote for Joe Biden,
Speaker 1: because it gets worse and it stays worse when you
Speaker 1: vote for the politics.
Speaker 2: As usual versus maybe a perpetual dictatorship.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and we're gonna have to leave that one
Speaker 1: right there. With that in mind, I'd like to thank
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