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Speaker 1: like round Welcome to Like a Virgin, the show where

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Speaker 1: we give yesterday's pop culture today's takes. I'm as always

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Speaker 1: roseam you, and I'm Fran Torodo. You're freakingly Fran I frequently, Fran,

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Speaker 1: that sounds like a really bad, like kind of reality

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Speaker 1: show that I would host. Frequently, Fran. No back to

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Speaker 1: or like a or like a nineties sitcom. Frequently, Fran.

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Speaker 1: That's what it's giving. It's giving like an I car.

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Speaker 1: It's about a cross dressing person, yeah, who is frequently

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Speaker 1: presents as a woman. It's Hannah Montana. It's actually Hannah Montana,

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Speaker 1: but like it's Montana, Frando Montana, oh my god, or

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Speaker 1: or Hannah Montran. There's multiple ways to make it work. Oh, okay,

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Speaker 1: frequently Fran coming to CBS this fall. Yes, we saw frequently,

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Speaker 1: Fran frequently, Fran, Fran frequently saw you this weekend. Actually, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I saw Fran frequently over the past week. The first

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Speaker 1: time was the surprise because we both showed up to

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Speaker 1: here because we were there, of course to see Tony

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Speaker 1: Collette's Mafia Mama, which is Tony Collette and Catherine Hardwick's

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Speaker 1: month right right, Catherine Hardwick, the director of Twilight, which

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Speaker 1: She looks insane and she was there at the premiere.

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Speaker 1: Everyone was there at the premiere at this very Tony

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Speaker 1: We were She was actually in the row between Fran

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Speaker 1: Tony Collette, and Teresa Judice in one room. Oh yeah, incredible.

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Speaker 1: Just to paint the scene. Tony Collette was wearing a

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Speaker 1: Didn't read wedding to me. I had read Spring. I'm

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Speaker 1: not insulting her. It's I mean, Muriel's wedding like it's

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Speaker 1: and danty freakishly. But we should say I loved the movie.

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Speaker 1: she is incredibly mean. She's queen. Like, I know that

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Speaker 1: more like programming in this finale because unecessary programming. Well okay, well,

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Speaker 1: need the Orville Peck tribute to drag loving police officers.

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Speaker 1: What the fuck? It was like, we are so insane,

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Speaker 1: that is makes mostly makes you feel good and happy,

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00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 1: but it is still very deep and emotional and like

425
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 1: well made. But it is just like good vibes. Yeah,

426
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: and and also like the fact that like so many

427
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: of their songs are so like bright, happy, upbeat, Like

428
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 1: a lot of the times they're like lyrically like dark, complex,

429
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: like sad, like despondent. Like this songwriting is so it's

430
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:17,239
Speaker 1: so often like juxtaposed to like the emotionality of you know,

431
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 1: and the brightness of like the actual feeling of the song.

432
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,679
Speaker 1: It honestly reminds me of like Carli Rai Jepson or

433
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:27,439
Speaker 1: like Robin totally totally like Robin oh Swedish like that

434
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 1: kind of like sad, sad, sad lyrical songwriting and then

435
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 1: like really upbeat, bright pop. You know. So Mama Mia

436
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,400
Speaker 1: is God. Did we say that we're high? Oh yeah,

437
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,120
Speaker 1: did we tell the virgins? Okay? So it is this

438
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: right that Abba won Eurovision and that's why they're famous,

439
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 1: right Yeah. In nineteen seventy four, Abba were Sweden's first

440
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: winner of the Eurovision Song Contest with the song Waterless.

441
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 1: So but before Waterloo they did have a lot, They

442
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 1: still had a lot going for them. You know, they

443
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 1: were still like in I think they were still they

444
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 1: were still making hit. They were still Yeah, but that

445
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: was their breakout. Yeah, I guess it was God. Okay,

446
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 1: what actually plugged? For the Virgins? Dj Louis podcast Pop

447
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 1: Pantheon does an amazing breakdown of Abba that I'm all

448
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 1: not remembering, which is great and Virgins, you did not

449
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: come here for a you know, timeline breakdown of ABBA's career,

450
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 1: and that's certainly not where you're going to get. So

451
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,959
Speaker 1: I so here's a good starting point. I was first

452
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:40,679
Speaker 1: introduced to the music of is Abba Abba? You say Abba?

453
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,199
Speaker 1: I say Abba? What's right? What's wrong? I don't know,

454
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: it's Abba, just it's I think it is Abba. I

455
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: think it's whatever you want, what you feel in your soul.

456
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 1: I was first introduced to their music, not even by them,

457
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,439
Speaker 1: but by the A teens. Do you remember the A

458
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 1: Star teenes? They are very yeah, yeah, of course and

459
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 1: they covered up. They covered it right. They released an

460
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: album called The Abba Generation and it was all all

461
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: covers of Abba songs. And that's why first, that's why

462
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: I first was introduced to their music because I bought

463
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: the CD like f Ye at the mall and there

464
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 1: was one summary Sleepway camp where I would if I

465
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: was doing anything, if I wasn't on stage, rehearsing for

466
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: whatever play I was in. I was sitting in the

467
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: woods somewhere, bumping the Alba Generation in my CD player

468
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 1: and reading and reading, you know, a Harry Potter book

469
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: probably yeah, yeah, or some kind of like well, you

470
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: didn't have anything. I was gonna say fan fiction, but

471
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: they were no, like you know, no, there was. I

472
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: was going on fan fiction and that we had a

473
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: computer room at camp and I would get there. I

474
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: would go there and sit there for hours and read

475
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,479
Speaker 1: fan fiction. But you know, but I but I like

476
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: just that summer, I listened to that CD so much

477
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: and I didn't even realize that they weren't the band

478
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: that wrote those songs. I didn't realize who I didn't

479
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: know who Abba was. And it was until later that

480
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: I found out. I have a vivid memory of this

481
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: is really embarrassing. But speaking of just like, you know,

482
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: being young and not knowing music. I when Lindsay Lohan

483
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: released that album Confession, the one with daughtared Father dddard Father. Yeah,

484
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: it is it's a little more personal. Yes, parentheses raw

485
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: because she yeah, and the one the one where the

486
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: cover is her it's like her back and there's like

487
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: a red image painted on it. Yeah, yes, that's so

488
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: she did an album. So she does a cover of

489
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: Edge of seventeen. And I thought that Lindsay is very

490
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: familiar with I thought Lindsay Lohan wrote that song well

491
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: because I because I didn't grow up. Was she not

492
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: Matt Oh she did, Oh absolutely, I was. I just

493
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: didn't know. I didn't know who Steve Enix was. I

494
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: didn't know. Yeah, oh, but I think I feel like

495
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: I was always known who Steve Vienix is. Like no,

496
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: Leewood Mac was definitely played in my in our house

497
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: like Saturday mornings by my by my parents, and I

498
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: always remember that from growing up. So I think I

499
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: always knew who Stevie was, But I did not always

500
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: know who Abba was clearly, and I think I I

501
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: think maybe it was explained to me. I think at

502
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: some point I was like, Okay, well who's there? This

503
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 1: is the Abba generation? Who the fuck is Abba? Or

504
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: I found out what Abba was when the musical came out,

505
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: because it came out on Broadway like two thousand and one,

506
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: two thousand and two, so not long after, you know,

507
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: when I was listening to eighteen's and it was a

508
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: huge Broadway sensation. So you saw, So you saw Mama Mia.

509
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,239
Speaker 1: I saw a touring production of Mamma Mia. I never

510
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: saw it on Broadway, but it was like a blockbuster

511
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: musical because you know, it's of course, it's such a

512
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: smart musical, because it's a jukebox musical with the most

513
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: record niceable like feel good music in the world and

514
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: totally sing along with any any song or at least

515
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: know it. I'm so curious how the process of writing

516
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: the musical came about, Like what was the one lyric

517
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: that they were like, Oh, it's about a girl who's

518
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,239
Speaker 1: getting married and doesn't know her dad is because her

519
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: mom was a slut. I think like that. You know,

520
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: whoever who wrote this musical, The book is by like

521
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: I want to say, like Catherine Johnson. She wrote the

522
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: book for the musical and the screenplay for the movie.

523
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: I'm sure then, if you're asking what the process of

524
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: writing this was, I'm sure they all did like lines

525
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: of coke and k one after the other, like in

526
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: a row on vacation probably, But also the guys from

527
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: Abba the Fuck are their names, Benny Anderson and Bjorn Ulvus.

528
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: You know, we're very involved in the music in the movie.

529
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: And actually they both have cameos in the movie. Oh

530
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: did they really? Yeah? In Dancing Queen, there's a guy

531
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: singing on a boat playing the piano, and that's one

532
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: of them. And then in the post credit scene when

533
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: they're singing Waterloo, there's a shot where it like goes

534
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: up to the heavens and the Greek chorus are like

535
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: performing and there's one of the other guys from ABBA

536
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: is dressed up as Zeus and he's like, that's presiding overall. Yeah,

537
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: it is beautiful. I'm happy they were involved, although I

538
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: wish the girlies had also been involved. Yeah, that would

539
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: have been nice, because that's kind of the thing with

540
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: ABBA is like the men write the songs and the

541
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: women perform them. Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's how music

542
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: should be. Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely, tell me more. Tell

543
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: me wor about your views about the binary roles for

544
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: for gender and music. So okay, so we're talking about

545
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: like before before the movie came out, because this movie

546
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: came out two thousand and eight, but Mama Mia loomed

547
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: large in the culture for a very long time, and

548
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: especially in the theater community. And you know, everyone virgins

549
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: know that I was a musical theater girl in high school. Yes,

550
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: and one year at a theater competition. So when you

551
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: go to these theater competitions they have they also in

552
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: addition to the competitive part of it, they have workshops

553
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: that you can go to. And this one that I

554
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: went to had a dance workshop. And listen, I'm not

555
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: a good dancer. I never was. I was in a

556
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: tap musical once and I was like feeling myself, and

557
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: so I went to this what tap musical, Dames at Sea.

558
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: It's sort of an anything goes rip off. I was

559
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: an attack which tap musical Crazy for you, Crazy for you? Beautiful, beautiful,

560
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: oh beautiful? Are you a good are tap dancer? No?

561
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: Not at all. That's why I didn't get the lead.

562
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: Do you remember many episodes ago when I told you

563
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: that story about the theater teacher that was, like I

564
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: gotta tell you, almost it was between you and Luke.

565
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: It was between you and Luke, but Luke got it

566
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: because he can suck Luke. And that was what is

567
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: a fuck Luke? Luke, wherever you are out there, I

568
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 1: hope you're dead. He's probably He's a really nice what

569
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 1: I remember fuck him? So so anyway, at this theater competition.

570
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 1: I went to a workshop where they taught us the dance,

571
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: the official choreography to Dancing Queen and that's wait, wait

572
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: from like the music from the musical Yeah, no, from

573
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: the from the Broadway music A music this is you know,

574
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 1: early two thousands, I see Broadway camp. So I did

575
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 1: learn that dance. I was not very good at it.

576
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: I would not say that I slayed, because I again,

577
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 1: not a good dancer, don't. I don't really have rhythm,

578
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: and picking up choreography has always been, let's say challenging.

579
00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 1: Although the tap numbers that I learned in high school

580
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 1: I still remember. It's like muscle memory. No, I will

581
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 1: never forget how to do those. Okay. I have some

582
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: questions about the movie Mamma Mia, and okay, I just

583
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: so for the virgins. I just watched it on a cruise,

584
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: the perfect place to watch it besides a Greek island. Yes,

585
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: Laurel and I sat down. We were like, okay, we're

586
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,879
Speaker 1: gonna watch this. I can't remember if we were high.

587
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: I would assume you were, and I feel well. The

588
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: thing is, we were running out of meat. If you

589
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 1: remember from last episode, we were like rationing it and

590
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if we were out by then, and

591
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: I should remember, But anyways, my experience the movie was

592
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: just like I realized that I had seen it before,

593
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,760
Speaker 1: or that I'd seen it in parts or in background,

594
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: or I swear I watched a lot of it with you,

595
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 1: Oh we have never watched fifteen minutes of because you've

596
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 1: always refused. I thought we watched the first fifteen minutes

597
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 1: of it after Drag Race one time, and anyways, it

598
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. But like I my having rewatched it now

599
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: revisited it with this mindset, I was just like, it

600
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: is pretty perfectly silly and the pure sprasm. It is

601
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:36,240
Speaker 1: so so distractingly bad as a singer, and wait, actually

602
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: did they make these girls sing live? I feel like

603
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: a lot of them sung live. No. No. The live

604
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: singing musical of our time was Layz Yeah Lame, which

605
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 1: was horrible. This No, This was all you know, recorded

606
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: in a studio, and the soundtrack does slap and huge

607
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: hit as well. I feel like some of them were

608
00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: singing on set if a lot of it felt like, well,

609
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: maybe they were just really bad. But oh god, Pierce Brosnan,

610
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 1: Oh my god, he was so he was so sexy.

611
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,439
Speaker 1: He was extremely sexy. Which one of the three dads

612
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: would you want to fuck? Oh I'm so glad you

613
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: asked this because I did think about it last night

614
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: and it is one hundred percent selling Stars Garden. Oh

615
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: what he was really giving for me on this viewing.

616
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: I thought for sure you were going to say Colin Firth.

617
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: I love Colin Firth, and I think this is such

618
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 1: a great Colin Firth role because he's usually so serious

619
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: and he's so goofy and silly in this movie. And

620
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:40,760
Speaker 1: he's gay and he's and he's gay. I mean he's

621
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: blind and he's gay, I mean gay, I mean blind.

622
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:51,399
Speaker 1: I mean he's blind, I mean blind. Yes, he's gay.

623
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: And he even gets to get booed up at the end.

624
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: There is a scene where after the dads have found

625
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: out that they're like, they all think that they're Amanda

626
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: Seyfried's dad, when Stellen, scars Guard and Colin Firth are

627
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: on the boat, I mean they all stand up to

628
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: disrupt the wedding. No, no, no, I know an earlier

629
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: scene than that when they're on the boat together, and

630
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: it's when Stellin is like kind of being like, so

631
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: you're gay, right, without saying it, but like there is

632
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: there is a vibe between them, and I think they

633
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: should have ended up together instead of Colin Firth ending

634
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,399
Speaker 1: up with the random ensemble member and Stellen Scar's guard

635
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: winding up with Julie Waters aka Missus Weasley. Missus Weasley.

636
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: It was so random, Like that's the thing is like

637
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: the way it was all tied together at the end.

638
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: I was just like, this is wild, and like the

639
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: wedding scene is crazy, and everything about that musical is

640
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 1: absolutely bonkers, like the like the narrative, like yeah, they're

641
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 1: the best example of a use of musical theater logic.

642
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: It is like nothing makes sense and all of these

643
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: crazy things happen and people just accept them. Like when

644
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: when Donna finds the three men there and they're like,

645
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: oh yeah, we all just wound up here and we're

646
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: staying up in this attic and your goat shed and

647
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: She's like, well that's weird, you know. Mama Mia is

648
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: kind of giving Shmiga dude. It's giving well yeah Shmiah, Yeah,

649
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: I mean yes, brand Swiga dude is Swiga Dude is

650
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: like parodying though crazy and I say logic of musical

651
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 1: but it's almost like Mama Mia is parodying itself that

652
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: it is a musical, like it's it's crazy. It's like

653
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 1: it feels like, I mean, I'm so glad that we're

654
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 1: stone because I feel like it needs to be listened

655
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: to high. Okay, another another question I have about this

656
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: is how old is Meryl Streep supposed to be in

657
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 1: this movie? Because they're like amazing because they're like, Sophie

658
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: is twenty years old. So this movie came out in

659
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, so that means that she would

660
00:39:54,080 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 1: have had Amanda, sayf reed in nineteen eighty eight, and like,

661
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: I think we're supposed to believe Donna is like forty,

662
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 1: like mid forties, and she's not. Like they could have

663
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 1: just made twenty five and it would have been more believable.

664
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: And also, like they're supposed to there's so many references

665
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: in the songs to the fact that like this all

666
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: happened in the seventies, but like that doesn't make any

667
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 1: sense either. And then like let's not even introduce the

668
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 1: like Meryl's wig into the equation because then it gets

669
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: really hassy. I loved Meryl's wig. I think she looked

670
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 1: I think she looked amazing. Oh, she does look amazing,

671
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: but her wig is extremely clocky and also tea shot Mama. See,

672
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: I thought it was amazing. I did. I thought she

673
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 1: was unlockable. And and I have to say that as interesting.

674
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,240
Speaker 1: It sounds like it sounds like you're following the weird

675
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: musical theater logic where nothing makes sense because that hairline

676
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 1: was was rough. It's too low? What I need to

677
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 1: look at it. It's it's not too low. It's just

678
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 1: like it is a wig in a very visible way.

679
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: But Meryl is so good in this movie that she's

680
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: so fun and like she's always on and like what

681
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: when when the her divas came in off the boat

682
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 1: at the beginning and they had that moment of meeting

683
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: up again together, like they're all so good. I believed

684
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: that they were friends, like I believed the relationship between

685
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: Meryl and Amanda, Like, Meryl is just incredible. I know

686
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 1: this is such a hot take. Meryl Streep is a

687
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: good actress, but no, but it is she is. I

688
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: think I think the thing is about it is just

689
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: that the rest of the movie is not giving what

690
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: Meryl's giving, Like Meryl is giving ding. Sorry, Meryl's giving

691
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:51,720
Speaker 1: acting down like and in the singing she's giving acting.

692
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: She is giving character like her. Her vocals are emotional

693
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 1: and our meeting with the character like she's to me,

694
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: the only one that is actually doing it. Amana Syfreed

695
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: is obviously amazing, but she I don't think, is this

696
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: is not like Amanda Sufried's like that, Like Amanda was

697
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 1: I think playing more into the parody, you know what

698
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: I mean. Like I feel like everyone on set was

699
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:16,280
Speaker 1: not taking the movie very seriously. I think they're having fun,

700
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: but they're still, you know, all like doing it like

701
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: they're ye all committed, even to even to the parts

702
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: that I don't like, like Christine Baranski's number that's all

703
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 1: about her being a cooper and how the young guy

704
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: wants to fuck her. I'm like, oh my god, I

705
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,919
Speaker 1: mean that's that song is it's I think that could

706
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 1: have been cut from the movie. But but she's still

707
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 1: selling it. She's still giving a thousand percent. Yeah, she's

708
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: giving one thousand percent. I mean she she was also incredible. Okay,

709
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 1: So in this movie, even though obviously Colin Firth is gay,

710
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: there's the scene where Amanda goes on the boat and

711
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: like spends an afternoon with them, and they're all like

712
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: being dad like, but also like they all obviously want

713
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 1: to fuck her because they don't know yet that she

714
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: could possibly be their daughter. But that is very much

715
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: the vibe, Like except for Colin Firth because he's gay.

716
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: But even then I think a little bit, they're like

717
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: what if what if we? I just like gang banged

718
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 1: you right now. I just love the mechanations your head

719
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: makes and like like interweaving all of these characters to

720
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: the point of homosexuality, no matter what homosex. But also

721
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: just like that is your take behavior every culture. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

722
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 1: I just characters on screen. I'm like, would they fuck

723
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: or wouldn't they? And for the most part, like nine

724
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,959
Speaker 1: times out of ten they would. Maybe I was high

725
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,720
Speaker 1: because like I do not remember anything. I don't remember,

726
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: or rather I I at no point was like thinking

727
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 1: about the characters or what they wanted. It was just

728
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: to me like a series of music videos and and

729
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: like some light narration in between and I and I

730
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: loved that, And god, I honestly didn't even know sometimes

731
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: what the character's relationships were together, and I was often confused,

732
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 1: especially since we don't know who the daddy is. But

733
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: that was But that's so annoying to me. It's supposed

734
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 1: to be like who who done it? Who Daddy? Well,

735
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: who do you think it is? Who daddy? I think? Yeah,

736
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,760
Speaker 1: which daddy do you think is the daddy? Who daddy?

737
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,919
Speaker 1: What are the threes? So it's it's Colin Firth, Stellin'scar's

738
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: card and Pierce Brosman. I think I think it was Stellin's.

739
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: I think it was Stellen's guard. I agree, Yeah, I

740
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 1: think I think he and Amanda maybe look alike a

741
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: little bit. I thought, I thought, just because like the

742
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: two other heart throbs would be too obvious and it

743
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,879
Speaker 1: had to be the one that looked like a dad.

744
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: Did they find out who the dad actually is in

745
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: the sequel? I don't remember literally. I hear we go again?

746
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: Were you? Probably? But I've only seen it once and

747
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: have never wanted to watch it again. No, I didn't

748
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 1: watch it. I opened it up on a plane, watched

749
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: the first like thirty seconds, and then skipped to the

750
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: end to when Share comes in, and then it was

751
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: that's the only part worth watching. I mean, I know

752
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: the general plot of it. I know that Meryl's dead,

753
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: it's like a lot of flashbacks Lily Lily James is

754
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: in it, but I don't remember. The intricacy is of

755
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 1: the plot. And I think that's fine. Meryl's Meryl's dead, right,

756
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 1: She's dead in the in the first scene, it's like her,

757
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: she's dead the whole thing. Yeah, yeah, but she has

758
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: doesn't her spirit come back or something? No, No, it's

759
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: just most of the movie is flashbacks of her, of

760
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,919
Speaker 1: the young version of her. Meryl was like, I'm good,

761
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 1: love enjoy. I do think in the in the post

762
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 1: credits musical number, she's in it, but otherwise she is.

763
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: She said, not again, I'm not I'm not I'm not

764
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: strapping into the overalls again. You can't pay me enough.

765
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: I think she's in the overalls. I think she's absolutely

766
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 1: said the overalls and like all the time she jumped

767
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,240
Speaker 1: in the air well. That's kind of like the iconic

768
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: image of the movie as her within the overalls, her

769
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: like spread like touching her toes. Oh my god, I

770
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: mean honestly, like I'd rather watch her in this than

771
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: her in prom Oh remember her that a thousand she was.

772
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,720
Speaker 1: I mean that the movie was rotten, and Meryl suffered

773
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: for that I feel, But like, what other musical has

774
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: Merril done another musical? She was in the Mary Poppins movie.

775
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: What Yeah? Yeah, she was in the second the Mary

776
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: Poppins Movie with Emily Blunt. She had the topsy Turvy song.

777
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: She has an orange wig. Oh yeah, Oh she was great.

778
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 1: Yeah she's slowly. I forgot it was It was a

779
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:52,959
Speaker 1: it was a surprise cameo along with Angela Lansbery. Okay,

780
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 1: Phoebe wants to know what her favorite Meryl performances are

781
00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: besides Sophie's Choice. I've actually never seen seeing Sophie's Choice

782
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: me either. I do not want to. I do not

783
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: wish to. Okay, favorite Meryl I'm looking at the IMDb

784
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,479
Speaker 1: right now. We still haven't seen Silkwood. I still haven't

785
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: seen it. You still haven't seen it, right, let's watch

786
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: it together. Yeah. Oh it's complicated. Yeah, hands down, hands

787
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 1: down my favorite maryl performance. I don't even know if

788
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: I'm joking. Yeah, I don't, I don't. I don't think

789
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: I'm joking. It might be it's complicated. I fucking love

790
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 1: that movie and her embodiment of that movie. I love

791
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: that for you? What about you? What about you? So

792
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,879
Speaker 1: I know everyone's gonna expect me to say the dev

793
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 1: wors Prada, and she obviously is iconic in that, but

794
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw you and say I prefer her in

795
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: Lemony Snickets, a series of unfortunate I say that I

796
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 1: knew you were gonna period period And they also had

797
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: Jennifer Coolidge, they had Oh it was that was a

798
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: place for legends. But Meryl is so good in that movie.

799
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: Jude Law, Jim Carrey, Right O'Hara, Joan Cusack, I think

800
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: Joan Cusack, John Cusack. I need to watch more John

801
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 1: Cusack movies. What's the what's the movie where she's a therapist? Oh,

802
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: it's Prime, where she's a therapist and Uma Thurman is

803
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: fucking her son and Uma Thurman is her patient. What yeah,

804
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 1: what yeah? Prime? It's not very good. No, No, I

805
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: mean god, I mean actually would watch. There are a

806
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 1: lot of merryl movies that I feel like I need

807
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 1: to watch, starting with Sophie's Joyce. Evidently she really tears

808
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 1: up these abba songs. Money, Money, Money is one of

809
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 1: the high points of the film for me, really, the

810
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: whole beginning of the film, like Honey, Honey Tour, Money,

811
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 1: money Money, slade down Mamma Mia incredible, Like gim Me

812
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 1: gim Me Gimme is that No, Gimme Gimme gimmey is

813
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: at the bachelorette party and it's kind of like almost

814
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 1: a background number, but it still tears. Any abba song

815
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 1: that repeats one word three times, you know, is gonna do.

816
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: It's the magic formula, sister, that's the magic yes rule

817
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: of threes basic. Basically, that's just chanting. That's that's witchcraft, witchcraft,

818
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: that's right. These songs are spells. Absolutely. Meryl's giving witch

819
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: she has many times, as she has several times in

820
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:39,800
Speaker 1: her career, well only only one one into the Woods

821
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 1: another musical adaptation that is not good and way worse

822
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 1: than Mamma Mia is she kind of she's kind of

823
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 1: witchy in Mary Poppins. Yeah, there's something you know, magical

824
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:57,240
Speaker 1: going on. She's got miss Frizzle vibes in in that.

825
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: Holy fuck, she would slay as misfress plays any role

826
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 1: live action Miss Frizzle. You know what there should be

827
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 1: I thought about today, total tangent. There should be a

828
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: live action legend of Zelda. Did you ever like I've

829
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: never played, you know, I'm not I'm not a video

830
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: game girl. Yeah. Yeah, that's why. Honestly it should be

831
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: made from as a movie or series so that you

832
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 1: could consume the lore of it, because the lore is

833
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 1: really beautiful and all the characters are really hot and horny.

834
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:26,399
Speaker 1: Do you think it's adaptable? Oh one hundred percent. Oh

835
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: one hundred percent. And they could cast like the hottest

836
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,919
Speaker 1: little twinks in all of these roles. They should cast

837
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: an envy to be linked like it should be like

838
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: Emma Darcy or something like that. Link should be. There

839
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: should be a mashup and link should be link Larkin

840
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 1: from the movie Hairspray. Yes, yes, yes, they should cast

841
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 1: a woman like uh allah May Martin and Peter Pan.

842
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: Is that what her name is? May May Martin's the

843
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: girl that famous May Martin one like Mary Martin. That's

844
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: so funny because I get that a lot. No, you're

845
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: think about Alison who played Peter Pan. That's really live

846
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: version which I never saw. Yeah, her name is Mary Martin.

847
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: She's iconic. I watched that musical a Ton Royal. Do

848
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 1: you remember anything else about like the time that you

849
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: found was like the time of a Mama Mia. You

850
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: like alluded to like being at you know, camp and

851
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 1: stuff like that, like any other memory association or like

852
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,320
Speaker 1: do you have an Alba breakup song? No, but ABBA's

853
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 1: definitely like the ABBA is definitely the music that I

854
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 1: put on, like on a trip, when you're like in

855
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: a house of a bunch of people and you need

856
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: to put something on that's gonna please everyone. Abbas the

857
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 1: perfect go to, you know, like when you're like like

858
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 1: us in like Joshua Tree, making breakfast in the morning,

859
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: like you're putting on Apps, You're putting on Abba, You're

860
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: putting on Dolly Parton, You're putting on or Share. But

861
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 1: ABBA is really universal. Share Share is a little less.

862
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,320
Speaker 1: The first three are like per yeah, a little more polarizing.

863
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: The first three are like exactly what you described, this

864
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: kind of like perfect like music that no one will

865
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: complain about. Shaw Day I feel is also in that category,

866
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: but different genre, completely different vibe. Yeah, and it's more

867
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: evening when you're making dinner in the evening and everyone's

868
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 1: hanging out. Yeah, there should be a shaw Dai musical. Honestly,

869
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 1: your storyline be it would have to be the horniest

870
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 1: fuckiest musical. Oh my god, I want to do that.

871
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: That would be what else would you want to make

872
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: a musical of their music? Shaw Day really is a

873
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: good one. It could honestly be like a trans story.

874
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 1: Of course, of course it could be you know what

875
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: I mean, like God, I don't know. Do you have

876
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: an immediate answer to that? I definitely feel like not. Well.

877
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: I mean, Ryan and I have joked for years that

878
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 1: Gaga should write a My best Friend's Wedding musical, but

879
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:17,240
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be a jukebox musical my best friend's wedding.

880
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: I do think there could absolutely be a Madonna jukebox

881
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: musical that would be incredible. Yeah, it could never it

882
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 1: would never happen. No, it wouldn't ever happen. But I

883
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 1: still think if it could happened, it would be great

884
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 1: and she be just dropped in the chat tailor. A

885
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:36,280
Speaker 1: tailor musical would be incredible. So many of her songs

886
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 1: are already stories. They are They're already stories. There you

887
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: could do. You could do a musical where act one

888
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 1: is ever Act one is folklore, Act two is ever more. Look,

889
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:48,360
Speaker 1: just because in the words of what you're gonna do

890
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 1: isn't necessarily what you think you're gonna do like that

891
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:58,439
Speaker 1: is that the no I never want to do. Yeah,

892
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 1: I don't feel like in the word the rue Paul,

893
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:05,879
Speaker 1: we're all born clothed and the rest is piss. Yeah,

894
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 1: that's that's actually I mean, that's that actually is true. Yeah. Oh,

895
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 1: a Kate Bush jukebux musical. That's what I thought when

896
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 1: I saw that would be incredible. When I saw the

897
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 1: Weathering Heights quote unquote musical that was at San Anne's

898
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 1: warehouse last year, I was so shocked that it wasn't

899
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 1: a Kate Bush jukebox musical, because you absolutely could make

900
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:32,359
Speaker 1: a Weathering Heights musical out of Kate Bush songs. Yeah,

901
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: and that is not what they did, but that should happen,

902
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 1: and I would love, I would love to write the

903
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 1: book for it. All of our songs are so cinematic,

904
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: like so grotesque theater kid like powerful grotesque theater kad

905
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 1: like like ooky, spooky, Like the costumes would be immaculate

906
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 1: and like big and like like I don't know, like surrealist,

907
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 1: like Yeah, that would be really fun. And there were

908
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,280
Speaker 1: so many numbers that would make great musical theater numbers

909
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,720
Speaker 1: like what do you think is though? Like rubber Bond Girl.

910
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: What's the log line. The log line is, no, it's

911
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 1: it's Weathering Heights. Oh, it's just what it is, a

912
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 1: weathering It is a Weathering Heights musical with the songs

913
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:15,839
Speaker 1: of Kate Bush. If you feel like you could thematically

914
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 1: align the lyrics with what's going on in every step

915
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,280
Speaker 1: of that book. I don't even remember what the book

916
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 1: is like really about it's about, you know, I feel

917
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:30,720
Speaker 1: like you've even summarized it for me before on the podcast. Yeah,

918
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 1: it's about lost multi generational love and all the twisted

919
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 1: ways it gets fucked up, death and longing. Yeah, it

920
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:47,720
Speaker 1: is very dark. I mean, okay, So if I could write,

921
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: if I could do, if I could adapt a musical,

922
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 1: my first instinct was like Selena like King Tania like,

923
00:55:55,840 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: and I feel like that could be draggy. Don't be

924
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 1: mad at me. Yeah, no, that's that would be so fun.

925
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 1: I feel like there's there's like a kind of yeah,

926
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: you think I'm trying to ban drag. No, well, sometimes

927
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: you know it's sometimes I think drag. Well, actually, here's

928
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:16,399
Speaker 1: something I think. Drag in musicals is often a bit

929
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 1: like choogy, Like it's not really it doesn't feel like

930
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 1: drag in any way, Like there hasn't actually been a

931
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: powerful or honest depiction of drag in a musical. I

932
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, you have Harris Andre, you have

933
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 1: La Kasha Foe, Lakaja Foe. I've never seen so but

934
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:37,479
Speaker 1: Matilda apparently, I've actually never seen thee Buffs. I've only

935
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:40,439
Speaker 1: seen the movie. But yeah, in the musical, trench Pull

936
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:44,800
Speaker 1: is played by a man. What you didn't know that? Yeah,

937
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 1: that's kind of crazy, okay, I uh uh. Selena I

938
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 1: think would be really cute. I think there's like a

939
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 1: drag narrative there. I honestly like have like written I've

940
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: like I've I've always wanted to do something around in

941
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:00,359
Speaker 1: narrative like that involves Selena and Selena fandom a true

942
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:06,840
Speaker 1: Selena fan. But Donna Summer Musical would be incredible, Like

943
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 1: I would absolutely lose my mind honestly, just a musical,

944
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 1: a musical that is literally just bad girls, like like

945
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:21,439
Speaker 1: just that album like that would be phenomenon because it's

946
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: like a full sequence album, like it's gorgeous, Like yeah,

947
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: that's a full story. I do think most divas have

948
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 1: the catalogs where you could make their their music into

949
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 1: a musical. That's why Titanique worked so well. Yes, I

950
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 1: you know a Share musical would be fab I mean

951
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: nine the nine to five musical, a Dolly Parton jukebox

952
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 1: musical or did she write original music for it? I

953
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 1: have no idea, but I do know that there is

954
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: a Share musical that I didn't see. But oh the

955
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 1: Share show, I heard it was horrible. I heard it

956
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: was great, but from fans. Well, I heard it from

957
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 1: people who like see a lot of musical theater and

958
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 1: said it was terrible. Also, Adele Adele would be a

959
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 1: great musical. It would be very sad. Yeah, it would

960
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 1: be so sad and then occasionally horny. Would you do

961
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 1: like a Fiona Apple musical or something like that? Sorry,

962
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 1: I think Fiona could write an original musical, but I

963
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 1: don't know about jukebox. Yeah, it's not you know, you

964
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 1: don't gather around the speaker to sing some Fiona Apple together.

965
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 1: Maybe a Whitney Houston musical Divas Again, that would fuck,

966
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 1: It would fuck and suck MGMT the musical, No, what

967
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 1: was that would be horrible? Yeah, we need a panic

968
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 1: of that. Discuss sky Perera a musical. But like, there's

969
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 1: no second act because you'll never release another album ever again. Oh, Brittany,

970
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 1: there is a Britney musical. I think it's Baby One

971
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 1: more Time. Yeah, it's like it's out also apparently bad.

972
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: I would love Panic of the Disco and a musical

973
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 1: that's just a fever you can't sweat out. Oh my god,

974
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 1: so hard because that is such such like narrative and

975
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 1: it's so pan sexual. It's like it would be the

976
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 1: most pan sexual ship. And he would write off on

977
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 1: it because you know he is pan He's bye. No,

978
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 1: he's famously pan I thought he was by but you

979
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 1: would you would probably know better. I would know better.

980
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 1: I actually don't know for sure. But the last yeah,

981
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 1: I don't know. Phoebe. Look it up, Phoebe. Everyone's bye. Okay,

982
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 1: Panic people dot com. Panic of the Disco's Brendan Ury

983
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 1: comes out as pan sexual. Period. Oh great, love that

984
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 1: for him. Yeah, anyways, I need to write that. You

985
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 1: do need to write that. I honestly, I like I

986
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 1: feel like he and I understand each other lyrically, dramat like,

987
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 1: sensationally like I understand. I feel like I understand him

988
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 1: as an artist. Do you know what I mean? Ah? God,

989
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 1: I've like, I've like really really I know we've talked

990
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 1: about this during our Indiesley's episode, which everyone should listen to,

991
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 1: but I've like really reconnected with that album. Like as

992
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 1: of last year and this year, I'm still a fever.

993
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 1: You can't sweat out a fever you can't sweat out. Yes,

994
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 1: I'm still listening to it. Yeah, that, I mean, there's

995
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 1: such a narrative already built into it, and I would

996
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 1: be there Opening Night with my flat iron bangs, my

997
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 1: parachute pants. Okay, So who in who in Mamma Mia

998
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 1: is bisexual? So definitely Stalone Scarsguard's character because he obviously

999
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 1: hooks up with Colin Firth at some point. Christine seems

1000
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 1: like she would fuck anything for sure, and I think

1001
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 1: she and Meryll have probably hooked up. And Meryl is

1002
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 1: the Meryl's Donna is the one who you think she

1003
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 1: would be by, but she's actually secretly extremely hetero and

1004
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 1: tries to pretend that the time she and Christine Baranski

1005
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 1: hooked up never happened. Really, she's also a terf I

1006
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 1: feel like she's giving lesbian. I'm saying Amanda Seyfried's fiance bisexual.

1007
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 1: Obviously all of the Greek chorus members are bisexual. They

1008
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 1: probably all pumped up like on production totally. The young

1009
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 1: guy who wants to fuck Christine Baranski is gay and

1010
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 1: that's why he's like chasing Christine because he wants to

1011
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 1: fuck her. He's gay. He's like yes, He's like, I

1012
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 1: don't belong here. Off, get me off this island and

1013
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 1: give me off this bye island. Afridaites fountain bisexual. What's that?

1014
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 1: It's the fountain that explodes the end of the movie

1015
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 1: when they're all dancing. Meryl goes, yeah. At the beginning

1016
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 1: of the movie, they're like, there's legends that aphrodities fountain

1017
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 1: is on this island and then it explodes at the end.

1018
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 1: Is the musical kind of magical? No, but it's just

1019
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 1: kind of gave magic for me, and it was kind

1020
01:01:57,840 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 1: of confusing. I was like, is this supposed to be

1021
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 1: like a magical realism. I'm not. It's just another like

1022
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 1: musical theater logic thing. It's like, oh my god, the fountain,

1023
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 1: oh yeah, okay, okay, And it's a Chekhov's gun, you

1024
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 1: know they mentioned at the beginning, so it has to

1025
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:14,160
Speaker 1: I am the boom boom gun at the end exactly. Yeah,

1026
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 1: oh god, I can't. I literally like this musical is

1027
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 1: so confusing, and I feel like it's actually extremely simple.

1028
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 1: It is very easy, easy premise, no correct, right, It's

1029
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 1: really actually extremely simple. It's just like the tale is

1030
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 1: all the time. It's confusing how it all came together

1031
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 1: and got made the way it was made. That's why

1032
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 1: it's beautiful, because it's psycho it's and it just works

1033
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 1: so well. The casting is Bzonkers. It is you know

1034
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 1: how you always talk about people's Q score like Mom

1035
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 1: and me at the musical has a Q score of

1036
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 1: I don't know whatever is high, but it has like

1037
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 1: a similar C score to Adele yeah to ad In

1038
01:02:56,320 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 1: the music it is universally beloved international sense say Mama Mia.

1039
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 1: The musical is the Dbadal herself. And as we always say,

1040
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 1: as we always say, next week we will be back

1041
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 1: with an episode all about Ugly Betty featuring Ugly Betty

1042
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 1: star Margan Delacato. It might be one of my favorite

1043
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 1: episodes of all time top five probably This is a

1044
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 1: Fran episode. This is this is the making of my

1045
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 1: this is Fran's Birthday Spectacle. Yes my Birthday Special. Yes, yes, yes,

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