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Speaker 1: This is Stan Sabrin.

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Speaker 2: Hey, how are you all good?

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Speaker 1: How are you doing?

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Speaker 3: Fun?

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Speaker 1: Are we on?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: We're just kidding with you. How you doing?

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Speaker 3: Berthed Off love this show?

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Speaker 3: This may sound like a real basic and simple question,

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Speaker 3: But why is Mohammad al either as popular? And recognize

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Speaker 3: that we the world? Well? Because the name Mohammed is

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Speaker 3: the most common name in the world. There's something follow

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Speaker 3: more fans in America who's follow boxing, and plus all

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Speaker 3: the people in the world like India, back of fans

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Speaker 3: who don't follow boxing, but they know Marvel the Mohammas.

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Speaker 3: So this is what makes me so popular.

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Speaker 2: You got a tough act to follow.

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Speaker 1: How you doing?

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Speaker 3: You guys need tickets?

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Speaker 4: No, we've got Assuming that we didn't offend anyone, we'll be.

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Speaker 1: Back in the press box. Eat seats, cheap seats. You

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Speaker 1: don't get any cheaper than that.

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Speaker 4: What do you an't think is going to happen to our

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Speaker 4: team next year?

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Speaker 1: I just don't see woll on line neck. We only

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Speaker 1: got an hour left in the show. We want to

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Speaker 1: take a break.

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Speaker 2: That's what I like about now it's our show.

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Speaker 4: I've always believed that my first responsibility was to the listener.

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Speaker 4: And the viewer, not the ball clubs, not the owners

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Speaker 4: of the station, not the management of the stations, which

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Speaker 4: does explain my checkered past.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, that's the way.

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Speaker 2: I feel about it.

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Speaker 4: My basic responsibility is to be honest and forthright and

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Speaker 4: accurate and true and credible, and that is for the

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Speaker 4: listener and the viewer, and that will have to be

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Speaker 4: how it's going to have to be.

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Speaker 1: And that was the tribute to good that iHeart radio,

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Speaker 1: which of course the stands employer put together. In these

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Speaker 1: very airwaves that you're hearing us on here, it's good to.

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Speaker 2: Hear them, yeah, right, right right, Yeah, I'm sure we'll

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Speaker 2: hear them plenty going forward.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I'm sure there's some still some

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Speaker 1: shows in the loop that you know, we did. He

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Speaker 1: I lapsed the one with us as well. Looking back

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Speaker 1: at the previous decades of Steve, Yeah, that was good

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Speaker 1: stuff to sit down for an hour with Stan ar

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Speaker 1: Remember the seventies or remember the eighties and those kind

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Speaker 1: of things that were fun. Remembering the nineties, those were

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Speaker 1: those are fun shows to do, and Stan made them fun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I and everything fun I'd liked his final words

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Speaker 2: there on that tribute about how you know, my it's

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Speaker 2: not to the owners or the station managers. I mean,

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Speaker 2: my job is for the fans and the listeners, you know.

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Speaker 2: And they did that better than anybody.

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Speaker 1: Better than anybody for sure. Speaking of which we were

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Speaker 1: talking about, Matt PRIs to break guys who do it

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Speaker 1: better than anybody else. Ever, at certain positions. Is going

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Speaker 1: leading into the Bill Barmwell article here, and he talked

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Speaker 1: about We talked about quarterback, we talked about wide receiver,

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Speaker 2: And we threw running back that he didn't in the

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Speaker 2: equation a little bit as well. But I don't any

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Speaker 1: See any contender at offensive tackle.

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Speaker 2: No, that's a tough position too. There's so many all

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Speaker 2: time greats that guys don't come in the league and

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Speaker 1: I think center is one that Steeler fans are He's

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Speaker 2: put incredibly, yeah, you know.

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Speaker 1: Because I mean if you look at I think you're

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Speaker 2: I mean, if Marky's pouncing is your third best center

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Speaker 2: in history, that's pretty strong he's going to be on

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Speaker 2: the ballot, you know what I mean. I'm obviously a

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Speaker 1: Um my guy too. And I know there was a

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Speaker 1: I think Dawson to me was to a Webby or

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Speaker 2: So yeah, Kelsey I think is in the equation now too.

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Speaker 1: But we're looking at edge rusher here. And the greatest

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Speaker 1: of all time is Lawrence Taylor Good.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad he three.

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Speaker 1: Time Defensive Player of the Year, NFL MVP, eight time

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Speaker 2: Pro just I mean, is the best defensive player I've

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he has the active player who could become that

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Speaker 1: guy he leaves it with Micah Parsons.

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Speaker 2: Okay, two years in. I mean that's a little rich. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, he had Justin Jefferson as the receiver too.

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Speaker 2: from day one, which Micah and Justin Jefferson have done.

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Speaker 2: But that's so much projection to say that you can

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Speaker 2: end up being the best defensive.

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Speaker 1: Player ever lived in thirty three career games. I think

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Speaker 1: you have to look beyond the sacks.

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Speaker 2: Well oh yeah, yeah, just that's what I was gonna

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Speaker 2: say about Taylor is I'm not sure anyone changed the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he was just a dominant, dominant player

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Speaker 1: team spent time during that week. Oh we don't think.

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Speaker 1: We don't think LT is gonna play. I mean he's

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Speaker 2: I Mean, he's as good a pass rusher that's really

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Speaker 2: you know. So people would try to, initially in his career,

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Speaker 2: I urge people not that this isn't a Lawrence Taylor,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh tremendous.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you ran away from him, he's tomahawking

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Speaker 1: Parsons twenty six and a half sacks in his first

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Speaker 1: for sacks in their first two seasons, Okay, behind Alden Smith,

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Speaker 1: Reggie White, Von Miller, Derek Thomas, and Sean Merriman. So okay,

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Speaker 1: Reggie White, Derek Thomas, Von Miller. Really all great players.

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Speaker 2: White was gonna be my number two in this conversation.

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Speaker 1: All great players, Alden Smith, Sean Merriman.

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Speaker 2: They didn't last.

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Speaker 1: They didn't last. And that's the thing you gotta you

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Speaker 2: Of a career. They had some injuries and off the

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Speaker 1: So that he says chances that Parsons will end his

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Speaker 1: He has another guy on the list here.

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Speaker 2: I say, I think there's several you could just severring up.

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Speaker 1: And his next guy on here is Nick Bosa, he

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Speaker 1: Barrett narrowly missed out after tearing his pictorial muscle last

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Speaker 1: year as a twenty eight year old. Yeah, Bosa has

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Speaker 1: forty three sacks over his first four seasons, but.

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Speaker 2: He missed a full year almost They.

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Speaker 1: Both and we've we've gone over this with Watt before.

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Speaker 1: The numbers that he has put up over the course

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Speaker 2: I mean, especially if you do per snap or per

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Speaker 2: like Miles, Garrett's tremendous, but he never drops in the coverage,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And Watt doesn't play as

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Speaker 2: many snaps as Garrett and still is more productive, you know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, so if you break it down to the

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Speaker 2: the last five ten years, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think it's worth noting his book is

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Speaker 2: already written. But big brothers in this conversation too. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know if you call him an

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Speaker 2: he's an all time great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which takes us to defensive tackle.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm glad we're going here.

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Speaker 1: And he says the current greatest, all time greatest of

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Speaker 1: all time at defensive tackle is Aaron Donald.

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Speaker 2: See. I agree. I think he's like I say, he's.

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Speaker 1: The greatest of all time because there have been some

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Speaker 2: I don't want to sound biased, but up till about

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Speaker 2: Joe Green. I think he's number one. I mean, Bob

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Speaker 2: Lilly has a ridiculous resume too, so saying I mean, if.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna if going to say the greatest of all time,

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Speaker 1: the guys who.

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Speaker 2: Played Alan Page, yeah, you know.

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Speaker 1: In the sixties and seventies and even the fifties don't

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Speaker 1: get the consideration because there's recency bias.

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Speaker 2: Oh there is, and I'm very guilty of that as well.

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Speaker 1: And a lot of these I mean, I don't talk

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Speaker 1: about Auto Graham and United, I mean.

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Speaker 2: Most of its Super Bowl or newer.

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Speaker 1: But like, if you ask Bob Labriola who he had

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Speaker 1: all time, here's a good chance he's gonna tell you Johnny.

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Speaker 2: Uniteds Yeah, yeah, and is a very very strong case

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Speaker 2: for it as well. I thought it was Joe Green

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Speaker 2: pre Aaron Donald. I do agree with Bill though that

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Speaker 2: Donald has surpassed him. I mean, I think he's as

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Speaker 2: dominant a player since LT.

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Speaker 1: And he has. There's a reasonable arguments for other legends

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Speaker 1: on the interior. Bob Lilly by Andy White, who Craig

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Speaker 2: Crazy story. I mean he was a linebacker. I mean

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Speaker 2: he's very undersized. Yeah, people think of Donald a hard time.

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Speaker 1: Joe Green mentioned Merlin Olsen fourteen pro balls in fifteen

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Speaker 1: Yeah, chances that Donald will in his career is the

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Speaker 2: I have no concerns what's from and whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: The chances of Tucker becoming the greatest of all times

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Speaker 1: This is kickoff returners. Yeah, it's not punt returners, he says.

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Speaker 1: If you look at Patters, even Patterson had has two

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Speaker 2: So again, times have changed. I think it's harder to

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Speaker 2: No, like Hester has a much better case to me,

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Speaker 2: It's funny how things happened, right, how about that? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Okay, and there you have it there they worked together

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Speaker 2: I mean coaches in particular, they all get fired. And

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Speaker 1: But you know, now your media web is huge, right

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Speaker 2: All right, But if you be to become a free agent.

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Speaker 2: So they were those roommates and roommates. They weren't like

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Speaker 1: I was the GA then, but that was el Martin

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Speaker 2: I'm kind of like, okay, well who's next? You know.

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Speaker 2: I was not easy to live with from a QPA standpoint.

444
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Speaker 1: He told some stories about some things that you did

445
00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:58,120
Speaker 1: in college that.

446
00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,640
Speaker 2: And what worked out well for me not for him,

447
00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,680
Speaker 2: is after his zero point zero living with me, I

448
00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,440
Speaker 2: mean just flat out gave up after a while, I got.

449
00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,480
Speaker 1: This We're blue Tarski great point.

450
00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:12,280
Speaker 2: I got the room to myself for a whole term

451
00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:14,359
Speaker 2: after there you go, which is when I got chummy

452
00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:16,879
Speaker 2: with my current wife actually was during that time, so

453
00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:18,800
Speaker 2: plice having a whole room to yourself.

454
00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,199
Speaker 1: At that STA absolutely und that myself at times in college.

455
00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,360
Speaker 2: It was so thanks for failing out, BA, I appreciate it,

456
00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,200
Speaker 2: and it was good seeing him over the weekend as well.

457
00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:28,320
Speaker 2: But we had a good time his and I was

458
00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,840
Speaker 2: able to stay that. That's that's half of it, though,

459
00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,080
Speaker 2: is I was able to survive, you know. I mean

460
00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,880
Speaker 2: I'm knocking people out like it's an eliminator tournament.

461
00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,440
Speaker 1: Like the Highlander. There can only be one if you're

462
00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,959
Speaker 1: going to try to hang not easy to hang, not

463
00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:42,720
Speaker 1: easy to hang with.

464
00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:44,480
Speaker 2: But I had a good record of knocking people out.

465
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Speaker 2: My first year in the fraternity house, there was three

466
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Speaker 2: of us. Only one of us made it to the

467
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Speaker 2: next term. So that's impressive. Yeah, I mean that is impressive.

468
00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:55,120
Speaker 2: That's a battle royal.

469
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you had snakes too, so did any's people disappear? No,

470
00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,960
Speaker 1: but I would let the pledges would sleep under my bed,

471
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Speaker 1: and I would let the snakes loose and they would

472
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Speaker 1: go looking for warmth and they'd cuddle up with the pledges,

473
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,400
Speaker 1: So that was always a good move too. Were friendly guys,

474
00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,359
Speaker 1: so it gets a nice little truck. But as long

475
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Speaker 1: as you fed them, they were friendly. There are right, Yeah,

476
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:19,000
Speaker 1: you just have to like snakes.

477
00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:24,119
Speaker 2: But we'd leave the cage open those nights. Yeah, my

478
00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,800
Speaker 2: six years at UPJ probably aren't the best radio for

479
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Speaker 2: my reputation, so probably should move on from that.

480
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Speaker 1: Well, they did much for my reputation either, but we

481
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Speaker 1: both made it through.

482
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, to keep too many witnesses over the weekend though,

483
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:37,800
Speaker 2: to tell you that ends up on the air.

484
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Speaker 1: We had a bunch of former UPGA people at that event. Yeah,

485
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,080
Speaker 1: we did both with a wife and I your former

486
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:44,800
Speaker 1: roommate and your wife.

487
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,160
Speaker 2: A good friend of mine who's also dating another UPJ

488
00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:48,960
Speaker 2: or my wife and yeah, and there's a couple that

489
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,440
Speaker 2: couldn't make it, so I didn't keep up with my up.

490
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Speaker 1: My sister's UPJ or there you go. I can't believe

491
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:56,960
Speaker 1: that you know Pitt Johnston has not put us in

492
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Speaker 1: their Sports Hall of Fame yet.

493
00:21:58,200 --> 00:21:59,879
Speaker 2: We actually brought it up a couple of people, like,

494
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,440
Speaker 2: how could Dale and I not be at least have

495
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:03,640
Speaker 2: a show? Right?

496
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,199
Speaker 1: Right? We got to do a show out there on

497
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:07,919
Speaker 1: the road to Johnstone.

498
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 2: One of the young ladies that was there just graduated

499
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,640
Speaker 2: high school and was torn between Slippy Rock and UPG.

500
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:15,919
Speaker 2: She said it didn't have and when they toured, they

501
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 2: said it hasn't changed at all. Then they meant that

502
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:19,680
Speaker 2: in a negative way. So she went to the Rock.

503
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Speaker 2: I haven't been there. Nobody's inviting me back.

504
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Speaker 1: I spent the time at the Rock, not as a student,

505
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:25,320
Speaker 1: but hanging out.

506
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 2: My best buddy went to the Rock, so freshman sophomore year,

507
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:31,520
Speaker 2: we did a lot of weekends his place or my

508
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,920
Speaker 2: place and got to know like his fraternity well, and

509
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 2: you know right.

510
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:37,760
Speaker 1: That's why you had no greade point averages.

511
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:41,639
Speaker 2: It didn't help his fraternity house. Holy smokes, I mean

512
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 2: it was he was a Lambda kai and it was

513
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 2: off campus and it was a total crap hole like

514
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 2: this isn't exaggerating, and the winners the heat barely worked,

515
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:58,120
Speaker 2: so they would have parties to stay warm. Like there's

516
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Speaker 2: holes in the like there's wind going through the lobby.

517
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 2: I mean, I've been in places like that awful. I

518
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 2: mean he lived there year round.

519
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. I can remember going to a place that had

520
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 1: a hole in the middle of the living room.

521
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that you could see outside.

522
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,959
Speaker 1: Yeah right right, you know, and and everybody just kind

523
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:14,440
Speaker 1: of walked around the big hole in the middle of

524
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Speaker 1: the floor.

525
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Speaker 2: A lot of his attorney brothers too, were outdoorsmen, Like

526
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 2: it wasn't uncommon to pull up and there'd be a

527
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 2: deer getting hung from the the front yard. You appreciated that.

528
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 2: I did that too. They had a bunch of yard

529
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 2: and they were all fishing and hunting and blood and

530
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 2: guts everywhere. Yeah, there was a fun time.

531
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's U you know. So when you look

532
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 1: at that, that kind of attachment that you have to

533
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 1: these guys, I mean I think that's you know, and

534
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 1: you add in the you know, this team's history, I mean,

535
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 1: it makes it an attractive landing spot.

536
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, right right.

537
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:49,959
Speaker 1: I think you know, that's one thing that Mike Tomlin

538
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 1: has done here in recent years, coaching staff has gotten

539
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:53,399
Speaker 1: a lot younger.

540
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Speaker 2: I hadn't thought of that, but you're a hundred percent right.

541
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 2: And I think that probably pays off as long as

542
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,200
Speaker 2: they're qualified. And I didn't over their skis, of course,

543
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,880
Speaker 2: but I mean, I just think communicating with today's athlete

544
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 2: and understanding the young culture. And I don't know, I

545
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,160
Speaker 2: find it funny that like people our age and there's

546
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:16,400
Speaker 2: a big span can talk about the world pre internet

547
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 2: and post Internet, but the older we get that that

548
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,160
Speaker 2: group's gonna get slower and slower. Yeah right, I mean,

549
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 2: my son doesn't. My kids don't understand the world of

550
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 2: pre cell phones, let alone pre internet.

551
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, nobody like this used to be the time of year, Mat,

552
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 1: and I'm sure you were probably the same way. Like

553
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 1: twenty years ago. I would be waiting for like Street

554
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 1: and Smith's football dishes come out or you know any

555
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 1: oh yeah, and I would buy like seven or eight

556
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,159
Speaker 1: different magazines yep, yep, you know, just to and a

557
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 1: lot of them would have the same stuff in it,

558
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:44,880
Speaker 1: but I just wanted to read them all and read

559
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 1: about each team.

560
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 2: I read them cover to cover, and you know, like

561
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 2: Mel's book would come out from the draft that I

562
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 2: bought it every year, and the recover to cover, and

563
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 2: there was a couple of draft magazines and that was

564
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,440
Speaker 2: the only spot I could get draft stuff at all. Yeah,

565
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,879
Speaker 2: And what's funny is it seems so arcad now, But

566
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 2: the internet was very new, and there were like seven

567
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 2: or eight draft websites out there, and I went to

568
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Speaker 2: every one of them every day, and I put a

569
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Speaker 2: document together of every scouting report, cut paste, cut paste,

570
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 2: cut paste. And then after a year, a couple of

571
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,159
Speaker 2: years of doing it, I would have my dad go

572
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 2: to work and he would print it off because it

573
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 2: would be, honestly hundreds of pages and kill tons of trees.

574
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 2: And I stuck it in the mail and sent the Steelers,

575
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,679
Speaker 2: and I forget who it was at the time, but

576
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 2: they sent me. They called me back saying, wow, you

577
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 2: did a lot of work here. I mean, looking at

578
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,199
Speaker 2: it now, you could do that in four seconds. But

579
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 2: it took me an hour a day every day. And

580
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 2: their director called scouting and said, wow, you're really putting

581
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:44,639
Speaker 2: in the time, and we're going to look through it

582
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 2: and read it. I mean maybe he didn't be I'm

583
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 2: sure he didn't. It was a massive undoing and I

584
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,959
Speaker 2: would rank all the guys to who I liked, you know,

585
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 2: But that was a lot of work.

586
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 1: It's a lot of work, and again a lot of reading,

587
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,439
Speaker 1: you know, to catch up on things and just you

588
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 1: know that could be pre internet that you know, all

589
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: that stuff happening. I mean, you know you had to

590
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 1: you had to read different newspapers.

591
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 2: You had to.

592
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, go out and check the stuff. The

593
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,360
Speaker 1: USA today was a big deal. It's a big deal,

594
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 1: you know, because you got news from every team. I

595
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 1: can remember getting like the Sporting News. Oh sure they're

596
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 1: reading the snippets and yeah, all those teams and say, oh, hey,

597
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: what's going on in the Chargers camp. I'm gonna check it.

598
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: Check this out and see.

599
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 2: So I forget. My parents took us at Disney or

600
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 2: whatever when we were kids, and I found this unbelievable

601
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 2: magazine at the Pittsburgh Airport. Yeah, and I read that

602
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 2: thing cover to cover over and over and over. And

603
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 2: what I loved about it was it not only broke

604
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 2: down every team, but.

605
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: Every position group. Here's three paragraphs on the Chargers linebackers

606
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: or O lineman. And you couldn't find that stuff back then,

607
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 1: and year after year, I forget, I should know what

608
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: the publication was.

609
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 2: I'd like to give them credit. We couldn't find it

610
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 2: anywhere else. So my mom would take me to the

611
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 2: airport we weren't flying anywhere, just to go to the

612
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Speaker 2: bookstore and go get this thing you know that read

613
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 2: it cover to cover.

614
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's just a different world. But now

615
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 1: everything's out there you can look at you can look

616
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: at Twitter and find out all the stuff you need

617
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: to find out.

618
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely, So back to having young wak you can

619
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 2: listen to this show. I mean we sound so old,

620
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. Like, if I'm trying to coach

621
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 2: the Steelers outside linebackers and I'm talking about going to

622
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 2: the airport to get a magazine, They're gonna look at

623
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:22,679
Speaker 2: me like I've got four heads.

624
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: That's one of the things. So Aaron Curry was talking

625
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: about you know that kind of stuff today, and he

626
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: is a unique perspective. His perspective is very similar to

627
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 1: that of a Darius a Ward bad That's funny.

628
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, high draft pick.

629
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 1: A very high draft pick, a top ten guy who

630
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 1: it didn't work out for him, little things, you know, whatever,

631
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,239
Speaker 1: it's he didn't draft himself, sure, you know, but so

632
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 1: he has that perspective. He has the perspective of then

633
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: you know, being released and going to a different team

634
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: and and you know, trying to hold on as you know,

635
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 1: at the end of your you know, the end of

636
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: your career.

637
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's a lot of bad things written about

638
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 2: him in the newspapers because you didn't live up to

639
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:01,360
Speaker 2: learn the best linebacker in the league.

640
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 1: So you were a bust or you know, you know,

641
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: and then and now as a coach, and so you know,

642
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: he said he looks at things from all those perspectives

643
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: and he was able to offer that kind of you know,

644
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: that kind of view of of you know, playing in

645
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: a position, playing in the NFL.

646
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Hayward based such a good example too, because frankly,

647
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 2: the Mels and Todds at the time didn't think he

648
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 2: should have been drafted as high as he was.

649
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: And if it was, everybody thought Aaron Curry was supposed

650
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: to get everyone. But he was the safest guy in

651
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 1: the draft. That what he was like known for.

652
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 2: But if it wasn't for a blazing forty time and

653
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 2: now Davis's love for that, Heyward Bay probably goes ten

654
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 2: fifteen spots later. But to his credit, he lasted in

655
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 2: the league a long long time, became a core special teamer.

656
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 2: I'm sure he didn't do that at Maryland, right he

657
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 2: went to Maryland. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sure he didn't

658
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 2: do it. The first couple of years there were the

659
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 2: Raiders because he's going to be home run, deep threat,

660
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 2: you know, fifteen touchdown a year, run past everybody guy,

661
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Speaker 2: you know, Cliff Branch. And to his credit, he ends

662
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Speaker 2: up being a mentor here for a really young receiver

663
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Speaker 2: room because he reinvented himself and learned how to stay

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Speaker 2: in the league.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all about that, you know, those perspectives. And

666
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Speaker 1: I think, you know, the younger guys to your point,

667
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Speaker 1: I mean they're younger to us. You know, we talked

668
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Speaker 1: about Grady Brown. I mean, you know, talking about a

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Speaker 1: guy that's forty.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know. I mean if you're an NFL

671
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 2: assistant coach at that, you're ahead of the curve. Yeah,

672
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Speaker 2: I mean that's what you're you're doing well for yourself.

673
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Speaker 1: But I do think there's something to be gained by

674
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Speaker 1: getting some of these younger guys and even getting some

675
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Speaker 1: of these younger guys out of the college ranks bring

676
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Speaker 1: in different ideas and different thoughts.

677
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Speaker 2: And not to mention, I mean when coach Salmon was

678
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Speaker 2: the youngest head coach in the league for several years, right,

679
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 2: I mean even not even when he got hired. If

680
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 2: you're gonna have a super young, inexperienced head coach.

681
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Speaker 1: Surround him with veteran I want le boe.

682
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 2: I want the guys that been on the block, maybe

683
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 2: a former head coach, you know, something like that. But

684
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Speaker 2: when you're head coach, I would say he's old because

685
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Speaker 2: he still wasn't old by head coach standards, but he's experienced,

686
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 2: to say the least. Now, I want some new blood,

687
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 2: you know, and I don't need to go to a

688
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 2: coordinator and be like, hey, I don't know how to

689
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 2: be a head coach, help me out. Yeah, right, coach

690
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 2: knows how to do that, you think.

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Speaker 1: So Grady Brown was talking about recruiting Mika Fitzpatrick at

692
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Speaker 1: a high school. Wow, so you know he went to

693
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Speaker 1: the parents' house and he was in South Carolina at

694
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Speaker 1: the time. You know, they tried to get him to

695
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Speaker 1: go to South Carolina. Well he went to Bama instead,

696
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Speaker 1: you know.

697
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but he was in his house.

698
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean like, like you're doing that recruiting, right,

699
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: and so you do you have a different perspective even

700
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: Matt Canna though. You know when you talk about him

701
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: recruiting Kenny Pickett out of high school, sure when he

702
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: was a pit.

703
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 2: They at least knew each other before they were both

704
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Speaker 2: hired drafted by this team.

705
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Speaker 1: You know, it just makes things interesting. You get a

706
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: different perspective on the player.

707
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Speaker 2: I think, oh, without question, without question, there's no doubt

708
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 2: about it. There is value to that. Yep, absolutely so.

709
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Speaker 2: Not to mention. I mean, just like any walk of life,

710
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 2: and this isn't true for everyone, but you're young and

711
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 2: hungry and assistant coach, you might stay in the office

712
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 2: an extra two hours and do something else, or you know,

713
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Speaker 2: try to prove yourself or you know, to bring a

714
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Speaker 2: hunger to it as and I'm not saying coaches that

715
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Speaker 2: have been around the block all do this, but it's

716
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Speaker 2: easier to put it in neutral later in life or

717
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Speaker 2: you know, I mean, there's a hunger there you're trying

718
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Speaker 2: to man If I get fired, I may never get

719
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Speaker 2: back in the league. You know, That's one of the things.

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Speaker 1: The reason I thought about this because you know, Bob

721
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: Labriola was asked again about Mike Young at Heart, but

722
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Speaker 1: he was asked about Mike Tomlin's coaching tree, which I

723
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Speaker 1: think gets way too much. Yeah, criticism, people put too

724
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Speaker 1: much on the coaching trees. To your point about Mike Tomlin,

725
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Speaker 1: one of the reasons why he doesn't have a big,

726
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: you know, coaching tree or what have you. He had

727
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Speaker 1: a bunch of older coaches when he started here. You know,

728
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Speaker 1: he was bringing in Richard Mann at the end of

729
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Speaker 1: his career because he wanted that veteran presence.

730
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Speaker 2: You know, he kept several of them. This was their

731
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Speaker 2: last stop in their journey.

732
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they were at the end of or he talked

733
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Speaker 1: them out of They were thinking about retiring, and he

734
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Speaker 1: talked talked to them out of retirement. Give me a

735
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Speaker 1: year or two, whatever you got here. James Daniels was

736
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Speaker 1: here for several years, but he was you know, so

737
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Speaker 1: you're not going to have a coaching tree there. And

738
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Speaker 1: to pet quite Frank, I mean people coaching trees. First

739
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Speaker 1: of all, how many how many what percentage of head

740
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Speaker 1: coaches do you think fail in the league? Most almost

741
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: all of them get fired at some.

742
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Speaker 2: Point, right, I mean they almost all do at some point.

743
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Speaker 1: Belichier's coaching tree.

744
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 2: It's not successful, it is, it's there's a lot of branches.

745
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 2: There's a lot of branches, but it's not successful.

746
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Speaker 3: To me.

747
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Speaker 1: I think, you know, the best coaching tree might be

748
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Speaker 1: Marty Schottenheim.

749
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Speaker 2: I say, Marty threw his son, you know, all the

750
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Speaker 2: way down you know.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you get. I mean there's

752
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Speaker 1: a lot of guys you know, HERM Edwards, Uh yeah,

753
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Speaker 1: on and on. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, actually the walls trees really really strong too

755
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 2: when you look at like home Grin and the Grudens

756
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Speaker 2: and some of those dudes.

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Speaker 1: By the way, a lot of coaching trees just don't work.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm not sure that's a great reflection of how

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Speaker 2: good a coach you are.

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Speaker 1: You Tony Dungee counts, Is is a Schottenheimer coaching tree?

761
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess you would.

762
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Speaker 1: So there's there's a lot there there is.

763
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Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know that that matters that much

764
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Speaker 2: in your legacy, to be honest with you, I think

765
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Speaker 2: it's nice, but I don't think that you have to

766
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Speaker 2: have it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I agree, because I think Marty's coaching tree

768
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Speaker 1: wasn't great. Now he's a great coach, but the coaching

769
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Speaker 1: tree wasn't great.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think Tomlin's influence is massive, and I think,

771
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Speaker 2: you know, back to our recruiting store, you know, guys coming.

772
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Speaker 2: People want to play for him.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: I think there's something to be said for that. I

775
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 2: think people want to coach with them, People want to

776
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Speaker 2: work with them, you know, based on even if they

777
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 2: don't know him yet, you know, based on reputation. I

778
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 2: mean Patrick Peterson. I mean in this league, somebody knows

779
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 2: somebody that worked for Tom you know, he's been around

780
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Speaker 2: long enough, so I mean you're one guy removed at most.

781
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Speaker 2: And that was the first thing Patrick Peterson said with

782
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Speaker 2: us in week one was well I wanted to play

783
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Speaker 2: for Tomlin and then you know, I had a good

784
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 2: opportunity here and blah blah blah. You know, but that

785
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Speaker 2: was the first thing of his mouth forlom what I remember.

786
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Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, We're gonna take another break. He is Matt Williamson.

787
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Speaker 1: I am Dale, Lollie. You're listening to the Drive here

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Speaker 1: on Steelers Nation Radio and ESPN nine to seventy. We

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Speaker 1: are live from the Steelers Mini camp here at the

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Speaker 1: upmc roonney Sports Complex. We'll be back with more right

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Speaker 1: after this.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back.

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Speaker 1: I'm Dale Alli. He is Matt Wayeiamson and this is

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Speaker 1: to drive on Steelers Nation Radio and ESPN nine seventy.

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Speaker 1: We are live from the Steelers Mini Camp sessions here

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00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: at the upmc rooney Sports Complex on the South Side

797
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,280
Speaker 1: where the Steelers are wrapping up Mini Camp session number

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Speaker 1: one here pretty soon coming along this stretcher much like

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Speaker 1: a regular season schedule for these basically practicing from one

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Speaker 1: to you know, ten after three, three fifteen is somewhere

801
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,720
Speaker 1: in that range. But tomorrow is the same. Yeah, tomorrow

802
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: is the same. We'll see what the weather holds in

803
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Speaker 1: store for us there. But Matt, you sent me this

804
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Speaker 1: list here of something you guys did on your other podcast,

805
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: right I want to you know, the Peacock and Williamson

806
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: podcast of an all AFC North team, and I wanted

807
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Speaker 1: to go over this.

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Speaker 2: What we're doing is going division by division and it's

809
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,959
Speaker 2: slow time obviously for content. So we're putting together what's

810
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 2: the best team to win with right now? Division by division?

811
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Speaker 2: And we finished the AFC yesterday, so it's kind of fun.

812
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 2: You fight back and forth and you know we're gonna

813
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 2: take this guy or this guy, you know, So AFC

814
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,240
Speaker 2: North was a good one obviously.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm wanted to go through the AFC North list. Here.

816
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:08,720
Speaker 1: At quarterback, you have Joe Burrow.

817
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 2: He edged out Lamar, but I mean it was we

818
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 2: didn't fight too much about it. It was a pretty easy one.

819
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: Running back was Nick Chubb.

820
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Speaker 2: Again, it's a good running back division. Yeah, but I

821
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 2: was thought Chubb was clearly the guy, and he agreed.

822
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Speaker 1: Who's number two?

823
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Speaker 2: I think it's probably Nausey.

824
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Speaker 1: I'm kind of leaning that way as well. I mean I.

825
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 2: Would have said Mixon, but I thought he'd a bad year.

826
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Speaker 1: Yeah, like Dobbins coming out, but he's.

827
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 2: I'm encouraged by what Dobbins will do this year, like

828
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 2: he'll be on some of my fantasy teams. But I

829
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 2: would take Nausey right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, now, I'm with you.

831
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Speaker 2: We have some rookies on the list too. Willie Anderson

832
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 2: made it for the South. Of the South was terrible.

833
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, Wide receiver, you have Jamar Chase and t Higgins

834
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: well along with Deantay Johnson.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we didn't our eleventh offensive player. More often

836
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 2: than not, it's going to be a receiver. But like

837
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,760
Speaker 2: in the South, we took Jonathan Taylor and Derrick Henry

838
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 2: as opposed to Christian Kurt, you know, like, I mean,

839
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Speaker 2: so we'd prefer to have three receivers if there was.

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00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: Two odds painting your barn red with the red paint.

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00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're building a super team for this year. And

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00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 2: Deontay beat out Odell and Pickett or Pickens and a Yeah, yeah,

843
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 2: those were the it's fair. Yeah, and I felt strongly

844
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 2: about it, and he didn't disagree with me. Yeah.

845
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: At tight end, Mark Andrews.

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Speaker 2: That's an easy one, you know, with respect to Friarmuth

847
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 2: and even the Djoku. I mean, Andrews is going to

848
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Speaker 2: be number one in probably seven out of eight divisions. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 2: The offensive line not as good as you think.

851
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 1: That left tackle Orlando Brown, And I'm racking my brain here.

852
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, isn't there somebody better than Orlando Brown?

853
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 2: And I don't think there is. Yeah, I mean it's not.

854
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 2: I mean, Wills is Okay, it should be what's his

855
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 2: face from the Ravens. It should be Stanley, but I

856
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 2: can't go there. Yeah, you know, he didn't play football anymore.

857
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 2: And I think Brown is the most overrated tackle in

858
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 2: the league, but he was still number one. My my

859
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 2: co host said, what about Roger Jones, and I said,

860
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Speaker 2: I would not trade Broderick Jones for any tackle in

861
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Speaker 2: the division, but I can't go try to win with

862
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 2: him today.

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Speaker 1: Ye overall, right now, there's no body of work right right, right, right,

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Speaker 1: So you're talking about nineteen career college starts, right.

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Speaker 2: So if the Bengals called and said, hey, you can

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Speaker 2: have Lando Brown for Jones, I'd say no. But if

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to win today, it's Brown. Reluctantly.

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Speaker 1: The two guards, the two guys from Cleveland, Joel Botonio

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Speaker 1: and Wyatt Teller.

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Speaker 2: Steelers have a strong case, so they get a case. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, something I said on the podcast was maybe

872
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 2: the Browns are the only team in the league that

873
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 2: I think have a better set of guards than the Steelers.

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00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 2: I mean, they're certainly top two or three, and so

875
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 2: it was tough leaving those guys off their quality players,

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Speaker 2: but this is just the way that falls sometimes.

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Speaker 1: At center you have Tyler Linderbaum.

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00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 2: I didn't like any of them.

879
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, so I kind of looked at it

880
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: and we agreed that you finished the season strong. You

881
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: hope he's building on first round momentum for next year

882
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 1: and the best is yet to come, so sometimes you

883
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: had to do that with guys. I mean there's only

884
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: four centers to pick from. On defense, Yes, guys are

885
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: pretty good. Yes, guys T J. Watt and Miles Garrett.

886
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean that's as good as league.

887
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we're leaving Hendrickson off and guys like

888
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 2: that that are quality players. So that was an easy one.

889
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: At defensive tackle.

890
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 2: This also ended up being easy.

891
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: DJ Reader from Cincinnati and Cam Heyward.

892
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 2: It's not a great dtackle division. You know. The Ravens

893
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 2: don't help the cause watch they're bad. Yeah, I mean

894
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 2: Tomlinson's a nice pickup for the Browns, but he's not

895
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 2: at that level. I'm taking Reader over him a thousand

896
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 2: times out of a thousand. Ogunjobi's not quite to that level,

897
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 2: and the other Bengals are fine but not great.

898
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Cam's the top five guy readers, a

899
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: top ten.

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00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 2: To twelve, Right, that's not shabby. But there wasn't a

901
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 2: lot of competition there either.

902
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: Uh, off ball linebacker this is there's one slam one

903
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: slam duncan in then.

904
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had a little bit of conversation about that.

905
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, ro Kwan's slam dunk and Jeremiah Osha Coromoa.

906
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 2: I kind of gave way to Peacock on this one.

907
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 2: My vote was for Logan Wilson.

908
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: I would have probably gone there too.

909
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought Pratt had a case and the j

910
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 2: Ok thing was kind of the Linderbaum conversation of boy,

911
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 2: there's a ton of ability here. We hope he puts

912
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 2: it together, but the body of work isn't real strong.

913
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I would have gone Wilson as well.

914
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

915
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 1: At cornerback, Denzel Ward and Marlon Humphrey.

916
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,919
Speaker 2: You'd wish they were both coming off better years though. Yeah,

917
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 2: you know, I mean you can't put Joey Porter Junior

918
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 2: there yet, you know, I mean you hope he's in

919
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 2: that conversation a year from now. You know. Newsome was

920
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,720
Speaker 2: not in consideration for me. I can't go Patrick Peterson

921
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 2: at this stage of his career. So that wasn't a

922
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 2: strong spot of the roster, even though those are well

923
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 2: known names.

924
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, your nickelback is Atch Adobe O Woozier.

925
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 2: And again I don't think that's super strong, but he's.

926
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: A good player, and in the safeties are strong strong

927
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 1: make it Fitzpatrick and Marcus William.

928
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and We've considered putting Kyle Hamilton as our fifth

929
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 2: defensive back, but that's a bit of a projection to

930
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 2: so I kind of pushed for a woozy a and

931
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 2: I'd rather have a corner than safety. But Williams Amenca

932
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 2: is about as good as safety, tannem as you're gonna get.

933
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,240
Speaker 2: We did do. Like I mentioned, we've gone through the AFC.

934
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 2: We haven't I haven't dug into the NFC yet, but

935
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 2: the West head Derwin and Simmons from the from the Broncos,

936
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 2: that's probably about the only one that'll be better or close.

937
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: Or close yeah, and I mean Fitzpatrick and Williams to me,

938
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: they take the ball away a lot more. Yeah, I

939
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: mean as that's two ball hawks.

940
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 2: I also think freeze are harder to find, and they

941
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 2: both freeze. But it's not like Menca can't come down

942
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 2: the box, right. They're both guard a tight end or

943
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 2: even guard a slot. So high quality team, the Steelers

944
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:44,399
Speaker 2: aren't real well represented compared to the others, Like second

945
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 2: in the lot. I said they were runners up time

946
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 2: and time again. Though you know so in terms of

947
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 2: depth or those type of things. Either, we didn't look

948
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 2: at this like who's the best teams. We're just doing

949
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 2: it for fun. And then we're going at the end,

950
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 2: we're gonna show the eight teams and say which one

951
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:57,879
Speaker 2: do you want?

952
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: You know, and I think you'd rather have. I mean,

953
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: you know, you look at some of these, you know,

954
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: like the Browns offensive line, they get a bunch there

955
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: in some other spots, but who are the secondary guys

956
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: on those teams?

957
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 2: Sure? Sure, it's a much different conversation. Yeah. Yeah, And

958
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 2: it doesn't even mean that this is the best division

959
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 2: in the league. It's just you know, if you're putting

960
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 2: a team together, if you had the Field one, it

961
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 2: was pretty interesting, you know. And again the South was bad. Yeah,

962
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 2: if you go to listen to the South one, it

963
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 2: would be not very impressed.

964
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

965
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 2: Absolutely, if Trevor Lawrence, I mean their quarterbacks would have

966
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 2: been proud.

967
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, the wide receivers aren't.

968
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,439
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, the North's leaving Watson and yeah, lamar off.

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00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 1: You know we're gonna take another break. He is Matt Williamson.

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