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Speaker 1: So there's been sort of widespread agreement that one of

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Speaker 1: the best camps was the Denver Broncos. So and one

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Speaker 1: of the things that's interesting to me, they not only

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Speaker 1: went out and acquired some new players, but really high

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Speaker 1: end players who Funga is a Pro Bowl safety of

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Speaker 1: healthy green Laws, a Pro Bowl linebacker of healthy Evan

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Speaker 1: Ingram should be a perfect fit with Sean Payton. And

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Speaker 1: this was a team that led the NFL in sacks.

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Speaker 1: And nobody knows the Broncos like Mark schlera three time

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Speaker 3: Listen. I thought about this driving in today.

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Speaker 1: I thought, you know, if you're Sean Payton, you could say,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm trying to get my guys ramped up.

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Speaker 1: This young football team. I want them to believe in themselves.

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Speaker 1: But it's not that young. Garrett Bowles isn't young, Cortland

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Speaker 1: Sutton's not young, green Law's not young. They got plenty

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Speaker 1: of older players here. So I really do believe that

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton believes this is an excellent top to bottom roster.

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Speaker 1: What's impressed you most with the two years of Sean Pate?

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Speaker 1: What has he done that you look at and go, Man,

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Speaker 1: that was fast. I didn't think they'd do that. What

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I think one, he doesn't care what you think, Colin,

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Speaker 4: he didn't care what I think. He knows what he

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Speaker 4: wants and he was able to create exactly what he wanted.

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Speaker 4: One of the things the big narratives in Colorado was

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Speaker 4: well we should keep Russell Wilson because you can't afford

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Speaker 4: that cap hit, Like you'll never be able to build

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Speaker 4: a football team. Sean Payton does not care. He's like,

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Speaker 4: that's not the direction of this franchise. That's not where

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Speaker 4: I want to go. We can't win with that guy

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Speaker 4: huge cap hit. We're going to get the right guys

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Speaker 4: in this franchise. I've talked to Sean during training camp.

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Speaker 4: I've talked to Greg Penner, the owner, and the difference

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Speaker 4: between last year and this year was last year we

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Speaker 4: hope we could win.

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Speaker 5: This year, we know we can win. And one of

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Speaker 5: the big moves we.

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Speaker 4: Made, even if it was a popular player, we got

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Speaker 4: read of popular players that work the right guys, Guys

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Speaker 4: that want to be here, Guys that want to contribute,

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Speaker 4: Guys that want to work hard, Guys that want to

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Speaker 4: sacrifice for one another. That's how we're building this roster.

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Speaker 4: And when you start looking at this roster top to bottom,

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Speaker 4: and I've been at both screens, but you know, I've

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Speaker 4: been at the scrimmages, a scrimmage San Francisco. I wasn't

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Speaker 4: scrimmage between Arizona. The difference between the Broncos second and

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Speaker 4: third teamers. In Arizona second third teamers, you can see

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Speaker 4: the level of commitment they have made and the level

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Speaker 5: So you can have an injury or.

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Speaker 4: Two along that you know, along that football team, and

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Speaker 4: got a very very deep football team.

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Speaker 1: Well, one of the I've been saying this for years

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Speaker 1: is offensive coaches are better rebuilding O lines. PFF has

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Speaker 1: Sean McVay has rebooted his offensive line multiple times. Andy

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Speaker 1: Reid this will be his third rebuild. They're interesting because

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Speaker 1: the two Super Bowls, Kansas City's got waxed in. They

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Speaker 5: He was my favorite player coming out in the draft. Wow,

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Speaker 4: I studied him and that dude dispensed justice. You talk

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Speaker 4: You realize when you study film comeing out of college

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Speaker 5: And the game. It's just different. The college game is different.

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Speaker 4: Most guys don't know how to use their hands, and

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Speaker 5: And I watched him. I thought it physically, he was dominant.

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Speaker 4: I thought he struck guys with his hands, which don't

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Speaker 5: And his feet.

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Speaker 4: Man, it was like a symphony watching his feet move.

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Speaker 4: When I think of offensive line playing, I always had

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Speaker 4: that sounded like in my head. And when I watch

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Speaker 4: a college player. Most college players don't. I loved him,

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Speaker 4: I mean I absolutely loved him. And if that dude's healthy,

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Speaker 4: I'm telling you what they got the steel of the draft.

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Speaker 1: So you know this with John Elway, he had a

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Speaker 1: very good coach and Dan Reeves, but it was a

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Speaker 1: was just fit. Nobody doubted that Dan Reeves could coach.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot of it's fit in personality. You talked

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Speaker 1: about Sean Payton, Russell Wilson personality style don't fit. I've argued,

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Speaker 1: and you see this sometimes where the artist marries the

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Speaker 1: And I look at Ben Johnson, who I think is

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Speaker 1: more a little bit more like Kyle Shanahan, Run my

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Speaker 3: He's better, but you can't live that way in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: And I've said this, I don't think it's a perfect marriage,

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Speaker 1: but I do think it can work if Caleb sort

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Speaker 1: of engulfs the offense. I mean, we've heard it practice

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Speaker 1: bad days, good days, getting better, but not every I

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Speaker 1: mean Dan Reeves and Elway both great, it didn't really fit.

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Speaker 3: What do you make of Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams.

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Speaker 1: I think it's an imperfect marriage, but I do think

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm with you, Colin.

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Speaker 4: I think one of the big things coming out of

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Speaker 4: college when I studied Caleb Williams is I thought there

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Speaker 4: was too much improvisation. I thought there was too much

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Speaker 4: playing off schedule. And I think you saw that last year.

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Speaker 4: I've said this many times. Taking sacks in the quarterback

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Speaker 5: That's a lot on the quarterback.

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Speaker 4: Most sacks really become play caller and quarterback more than

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Speaker 4: they become offensive line. The first thing, and I've talked

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Speaker 4: Let's go out and get ourselves some offensive line that

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Speaker 4: that can play. I think that's big. But then it

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Speaker 4: becomes play calling. And one of the things you don't

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Speaker 4: run the football. I'm doing a game Detroit game a

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Speaker 4: has got to be the number one like play caller

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Speaker 4: does is he's going to run the ball, create his

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Speaker 5: Off the quarterback.

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Speaker 4: The thing that Caleb Williams needs to learn is he

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Speaker 4: needs to learn what I call the seventy thirty rule.

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Speaker 4: Seventy percent of the time you need to run the play.

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Speaker 4: We need to be on schedule. When things do break down,

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Speaker 4: then you have to be able to improvise and make

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Speaker 4: if you live and this is to me, Kyler Kyler's

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Speaker 4: problem in Arizona, Kyler Murray's problem in Arizona is you

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Speaker 4: want to play on a fifty to fifty kind of schedule.

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Speaker 5: Fifty percent of the time.

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Speaker 4: I want to be free will and it make big

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Speaker 5: I'm excited and it gives me energy.

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Speaker 4: But ultimately, for an offense, you may make two or

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Speaker 4: based on that stuff. So for me, run the play,

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Speaker 4: improvise when only necessary, and I think the run game,

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Speaker 4: that that's where he's great. So I think he'll get

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Speaker 4: that buy in from Caleb Williams. They'll eliminate some of

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Speaker 4: those sack issues that really were a lot of Caleb

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Speaker 1: Finally, you played for Washington for several years. I don't

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Speaker 1: All right, it's so ironic that I brought that up

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Speaker 3: John middlecoff.

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Speaker 7: Maria treats a menu like a draft. She tries to pick.

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Speaker 7: You know, all these different flavors, all these different things.

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Speaker 7: It definitely is it one hundred percent. I'm the same

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Speaker 1: I think I've seen Casino, I've seen uh, good Fellas,

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Speaker 1: Spielberg's got a new UFO movie coming out. You know

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Speaker 1: I want to when Spielberg's gonna tell me what to do,

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Speaker 1: how to react. John with the news, No, No, turn

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Speaker 2: This is the herdline news.

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Speaker 8: Okay, Drake May.

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Speaker 7: He had a solid, solid rookie season, starting twelve games,

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Speaker 7: Do you believe that Drake May will flourish under Josh?

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Speaker 1: I do because Josh has a history of, you know,

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Speaker 8: I looked it up when Slaith was talking. Last year

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Speaker 8: State totally agree.

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Speaker 7: Ever since Joe Brady took over Josh and the Bills

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Speaker 1: I think once you're a veteran quarterback, you can throw

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Speaker 3: There was no question.

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Speaker 1: I think even the all time great quarterbacks have comfort zones.

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Speaker 1: Miami's been walking many culture issues and New England still

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Speaker 7: I would say it would be stunning if the Bills

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Speaker 7: Brown's a little shocky. I thought he was like thirty

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Speaker 7: he is gonna be.

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Speaker 1: Last year there were times you were like, whoa Jared

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Speaker 1: Verse pass rusher?

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Speaker 3: Rams is gonna explode? This year?

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Speaker 7: Well, I got a guy for you Bjohn Robinson, and

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Speaker 7: I was talking to a buddy in Arizona who coached

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Speaker 7: Agains him in high school. And this guy's been coaching forever.

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Speaker 7: He says he's the best high school player I've ever seen.

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Speaker 7: The hype at Texas, the hype when he got drafted.

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Speaker 7: I think the hype he needs to start equalling.

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Speaker 8: I gotta see it. He's a really talented player.

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Speaker 7: But some of these other I mean, Jalen Carter was

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Speaker 7: arguably one of the best players in the NFL for

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Speaker 7: the team that won the Super Bowl. I mean this well,

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Speaker 7: I was like a Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if you took Chris Jones out, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think most GMS would take Jalen Carter today as

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Speaker 1: your interior defensive lineman.

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Speaker 7: I think Malik Neighbors has a chance to be like

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Speaker 7: Jamar Chase as a talent.

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Speaker 8: He's just got to stay on the field.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he gets banged up, He's banged up again.

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Speaker 7: He gets banged up a lot. Jamar Chase pretty good,

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Speaker 7: pretty good player.

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Speaker 1: These are id is Amaran Saint Brown must have graduated

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Speaker 1: high school at fourteen, because I swear to God, he's

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Speaker 1: been in the league six.

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Speaker 7: Years I thought that same thing. I honestly, I thought

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Speaker 7: he was thirty two years old.

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Speaker 1: John Middlecoff with the News, Well that's the news, and

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Speaker 1: thanks for stopping by. But I had three Detroit Lions

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Speaker 1: on that list. What have we said about the Lion's success?

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Speaker 1: Look upstairs, three Lions in the top ten develop and

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Speaker 1: also they have a young safety Brian Branch. He could

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Speaker 1: be top fifteen.

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Speaker 8: He's a good player.

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Speaker 1: I mean, so they could have four of the top

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Speaker 1: fifteen guys. That tells you everybody looking at Detroit and

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Speaker 1: Dan campbellt it's upstairs.

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Speaker 3: They got the right group. They have acete.

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Speaker 1: This year they went heavy on interior offensive lineman, which

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Speaker 1: they had to, so they addressed an absolute need. It

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Speaker 1: wasn't a great draft, so you will see how that

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Speaker 1: pans out.

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Speaker 7: Doesn't Jared Goff, I mean for a little bit of

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Speaker 7: an older guy, have a young vibe.

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Speaker 8: Maybe it's the California in them.

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Speaker 7: He just feels like very chill, Yeah, very chill, not

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Speaker 7: much stress in his life.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Mark schleras thought by today, Albert Brer had really interesting

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Speaker 1: comments on Caleb Williams.

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Speaker 3: We'll wrap it up next. That's the hurd.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and Noone Easter n a m. Pacific on Fox Sports

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Speaker 2: Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 1: So Albert Breer went to twenty three NFL training camps,

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Speaker 1: and I joked earlier you went to the most stoic

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Speaker 1: and quiet and Green Bay, and then you went down to.

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Speaker 3: The circus in Chicago.

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Speaker 1: And on the day he watched the Bears, he had

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Speaker 1: thoughts about Caleb Williams.

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Speaker 9: What Ben Johnson and his staff were trying to do

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Speaker 9: with Caleb was let's feed him through a fire hose

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Speaker 9: in the spring and an early in training camp, and

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Speaker 9: let's see what he can handle, and let's see what

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Speaker 9: he's good at, and let's see what he's not good at,

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Speaker 9: and let's see how he learns. Let's see how he takes.

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Speaker 10: Those early lumps and is able to compartmentalize them. And

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Speaker 10: then over the course of camp, the hope was that

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Speaker 10: they would get a more resilient player who's playing faster,

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Speaker 10: and as coaches, they would get a better idea of

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Speaker 10: what he was best at, so they could build an

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Speaker 10: offense based on that.

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Speaker 3: So remember it's not always easy.

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Speaker 1: Initially, Tom Brady and Bruce Arians through twelve weeks were

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Speaker 1: seven and five and were stuffing. And then they had

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Speaker 1: a bye week and Brady's like, I'm gonna do it

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Speaker 1: my way, and he and Bruce Arians after the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: you know, later had a little falling out, but Brady encyclopedic.

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Speaker 1: Brady and Bruce Arians stylistically. You know, Arians wanted to

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Speaker 1: go deep down the field more in his career, and

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Speaker 1: Tom's like, now I want to pick up first downs,

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Speaker 1: move the chains, protect the defense, don't want to get hit.

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Speaker 3: That was Tom style. And through twelve weeks, remember.

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Speaker 1: That disaster they had against the Bears on Thursday Night football,

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Speaker 1: Brady's screaming at everybody.

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Speaker 3: So like Arians and Brady won a Super Bowl. It

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Speaker 3: was not a perfect fit.

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Speaker 1: Terry Bradshawn, Chuck Nole, We're not a perfect fit. And

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Speaker 1: then you get Akman and Jimmy Johnson. Aikman did exactly

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Speaker 1: what Jimmy wanted. Toughness, leadership, accurate, big plays. Sometime I

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Speaker 1: think Bo Nixon sean hate and feel like that's exactly

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Speaker 1: what he wanted. A younger breeze with excellent feet, can move,

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Speaker 1: but will run his play. So you know it doesn't

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Speaker 1: have to be perfect. The day that Albert Rereer went there,

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Speaker 1: he said it was awful. Very you know, again, Elway

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Speaker 1: had Dan Reeves. Dan Reeves could coach. Elway was better

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Speaker 1: with Shanahan. Kyle Shanahan frankly always wanted Kirk Cousins because

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Speaker 1: he would run his play. So, you know, Goff's first

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Speaker 1: six games under Ben Johnson, he had a ninety passer rating.

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 1: Ninety passer rating is bee in the NFL, especially in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 3: That's just kind of a b.

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Speaker 1: And then Goff grew into Ben Johnson's offense. And I

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Speaker 1: do think it is sometimes. I mean, you want a

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Speaker 1: gifted quarterback, sometimes it's harder. I don't care if you're

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Speaker 1: a music teacher.

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Speaker 3: It is harder.

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Speaker 1: With more talented students. They want to be driven hard,

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Speaker 1: but they you know, Caleb's got some stuff, some magic,

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Speaker 1: and it works, Lamar. You know, it took years, year three.

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Speaker 1: Finally you're like, okay, he can throw from the pocket now.

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Speaker 1: So sometimes you have to convince players that this is

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Speaker 1: better than that. But when that's been been successful in

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Speaker 1: high school and college, it's hard to talk them off

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Speaker 1: that style. So I the next eleven games for golf.

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Speaker 1: After struggling in the first six games with Ben Johnson,

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Speaker 1: the next eleven games this passer rating was like one

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Speaker 1: oh four, So it just takes a while. I think

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Speaker 1: Ben demands a lot. Ben is going to be tough

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Speaker 1: on Caleb and that you know that early schedules a

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Speaker 1: little bit of everything. They get the Vikings at home,

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Speaker 1: winnable game Detroit. I think with new coordinators, will be

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Speaker 1: vulnerable early. I mean then they get the Cowboys at home,

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Speaker 1: Raiders by Saints. There's some winnable games early, but you

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Speaker 1: could see if the Minnesota knocked them off early and

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Speaker 1: Caleb struggled against Brian Flores, you could see this thing

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Speaker 1: going sideways very quickly.

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Speaker 3: Because at the end of the schedule, packer.

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Speaker 1: At the Niners, Lions, Packers before that at the Eagles.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of teams vying for playoff position from

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Speaker 1: about week thirteen on. That schedule is rough, so you

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Speaker 1: gotta make some hay early if you're the Chicago Bears.

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Speaker 1: I had my Herd hierarchy today, my top ten teams

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. You guys can put it up there.

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Speaker 1: I think Philadelphia has to be your number one and

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Speaker 1: then after that, I think I would like you know,

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Speaker 1: I think I would like the commanders in rams higher

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Speaker 1: if there weren't a Matt Stafford Terry McLaurin situation. I

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Speaker 1: do think the Lions will be good, not special. I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's a diss to the Chiefs putting the

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Speaker 1: Broncos ahead of them right now. I think Denver's got

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Speaker 1: a much better offensive line and a better consistent pass rush.

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Speaker 1: Anything is anybody missing?

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Speaker 2: John?

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Speaker 7: When you look at that, I'm gonna sound like Nick

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Speaker 7: right here. But the Chiefs have been five super Bowls

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Speaker 7: of six years. Colin five super Bowls. Okay, if you

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Speaker 7: want to give the Eagles, they just blast.

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Speaker 8: Them the super Bowl.

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Speaker 7: Fifth, Fifth, the Ravens remember home Field two years ago,

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Speaker 7: took them out. The Bills they played them I think

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Speaker 7: four times in five years. Chiefs beat them every time.

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Speaker 7: So yeah, I mean, going in the momentum, I do

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Speaker 7: think call me and Andy Homer, but fifth, that's Eagles.

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Speaker 7: No one's gonna argue with you there. The Bills and

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Speaker 7: the Ravens to me always deserve I mean they've proven it.

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Speaker 7: But number two, I mean, you gotta one of those

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Speaker 7: two teams.

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Speaker 8: Got to win a big.

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Speaker 1: Playoff game eventually, right, eventually, I think I am higher

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Speaker 1: on the Seahawks than certainly MacIntyre.

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Speaker 3: Where are you on the Seahawks?

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Speaker 8: I'll give you the Seahawks.

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Speaker 7: Like, that's kind of a bold move because the NFC

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Speaker 7: is pretty wide open beside the Eagles. I mean, you

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Speaker 7: could convince me the Commanders come back to Earth a

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Speaker 7: little bit that they might be better, but they win

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Speaker 7: ten games instead of twelve or thirteen.

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Speaker 8: But the Chiefs five and the Rams pretty big wild card,

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Speaker 8: you know.

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Speaker 7: I think the Lions from a talent standpoint are a

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Speaker 7: top five to six.

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Speaker 1: I think if Joe Ald stays healthy, the Chargers will

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Speaker 1: end up in this spot. But I just got to

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Speaker 1: watch because that offensive line was one of the best

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Speaker 1: tackle groupings in the league. Now you move all to

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Speaker 1: the left tackle, where he's probably not as deft, and

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Speaker 1: now you kind of cross your fingers at right tackle,

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Speaker 1: or do you move Becton to right tackle and then

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Speaker 1: you're weaker in the interior. They were not very good

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Speaker 1: in the interior. Old line, They were not happy as

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Speaker 1: a staff.

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Speaker 7: Still pretty dependent on some you know, they re signed

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Speaker 7: Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, retires.

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Speaker 1: I don't love their I love Lad McConkey, but they

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Speaker 1: they Trey Harris at Old Miss.

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Speaker 3: Is he going to make an impact?

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Speaker 7: I mean everyone's really high on the first round running

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Speaker 7: back Hampton, but I mean that's a lot of pressure.

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Speaker 7: Sometimes running backs come second, third, fourth round or the

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Speaker 7: best running backs in the draft. Khalil Max an older player.

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Speaker 7: They're very dependent on him on defense. But their coaching

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Speaker 7: staff is excellent. Chargers I could see Jim Harbass. So

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Speaker 7: their floors really high.

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Speaker 8: They kind of feel nine to eight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's my take. Their floors really high. We

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Speaker 1: know they're going to be competent, They're going to be

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Speaker 1: above five hundred. But Denver now is good. Listen, if

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Speaker 1: the Raiders are the fourth best team, Chip Kelly Pete,

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Speaker 1: Carroll Brockbawers, Max Crosby, Gino Smith is fine if you

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Speaker 1: give them a little time to throw. And I think

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Speaker 1: their on line's okay. So I will say this, there

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Speaker 1: are teams that are bad coming into the season. Saints

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Speaker 1: aren't going to be good, Jets aren't going to be good.

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Speaker 1: I mean we can write that down. Giants have talent

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Speaker 1: but may not have a good record. Cleveland's going to

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Speaker 1: be bad. But there's some fourth place teams. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if the Bears and the Raiders finish fourth, those are

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Speaker 1: talented teams.

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Speaker 8: How do you have the Broncos over the Chiefs. They're

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Speaker 8: the same division. The Chiefs won a seven.

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Speaker 1: Three because they added Evan Ingram Mifunga Greenlaw. Those are

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Speaker 1: elite players.

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Speaker 8: I haven't won a playoff game in about a decade.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know what new group.

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Speaker 8: I get it, but new coach Chiefs five Super Bowl,

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Speaker 8: six years.

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Speaker 1: You have made that point during this segment. I don't

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Speaker 1: even know what to do with Green Bay. I'm putting

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Speaker 1: them they're out of respect. I think it's boring picking

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs that.

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Speaker 3: I get it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not bored with him. Isn't there an argument

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Speaker 1: of fatigue? How many snaps? I mean they've taken. It's

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Speaker 1: like a baseball team that goes to the series. You

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Speaker 1: come back to spring training and everybody's arms its fatigue.

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Speaker 1: Kansas City has been in a lot of big, close

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Speaker 1: game year after year after year, and all the suspensions

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Speaker 1: at wide receiver. I think it's I think it's the

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Speaker 1: one pullback year.

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Speaker 8: But they win all those games.

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Speaker 3: Most of the time, except super Bowls. Then it's a

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Speaker 3: wild card.

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Speaker 1: I can't trust Andy there, whies out we'll see tomorrow.